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Re: Barack Hussein Obama
« Reply #25 on: December 27, 2011, 08:41:34 AM »
Then why arent we in a declared recession..
its simple

if he came in.. and we were in a recession... like a declared one by the people who determine such things
if we were worse, we would be in a deeper recession as declared by the people who determine it..



Can you make sense of these charts or do you need it explained to you?

Additionally - the measure of techincal recession includes Govt spending and other bogus nonsense that they goosed with the trillions of dollars they spent on bullshit. Why do you think GDP keeps getting revised downward?      

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Re: Barack Hussein Obama
« Reply #26 on: December 27, 2011, 08:43:12 AM »
Can you make sense of these charts or do you need it explained to you?

Additionally - the measure of techincal recession includes Govt spending and other bogus nonsense that they goosed with the trillions of dollars they spent on bullshit. Why do you think GDP keeps getting revised downward?      
You're totally changing the world with all these posts. It makes sense that you don't work.

You're such a revolutionary thinker.
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Re: Barack Hussein Obama
« Reply #27 on: December 27, 2011, 08:43:30 AM »
bump for refutation of this fact

we were in a recession
we arent any more
as determined by the agency that declares such a status


Unbelievable.   At a certain point you hit rock bottom and are supposed to have a recovery, which so far we dont have all while most states are growing drastically worse.    

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Re: Barack Hussein Obama
« Reply #28 on: December 27, 2011, 08:44:40 AM »
You're totally changing the world with all these posts. It makes sense that you don't work.

You're such a revolutionary thinker.

And you are a gay obamabot with TBI.   And since when is socialism/communism something new that you fools buy in to? 

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Re: Barack Hussein Obama
« Reply #29 on: December 27, 2011, 08:44:47 AM »
Obama and his lackeys have perpetuated the current economic environment through their actions, thus they are being held accountable.


So no such explanation as to why the agency that declared us to be in a recession is had declared us not to be in a recession and how that equates us to being worse off economically.

Alls i want is an explanation. I have already stated my gripes with Obama. Now if you can explain this I might have one more, but at this juncture it just doesn't add up.

Now BF, i know you're a smart guy, much smarter than this 333 character,  so just give me in real terms, factually, how we are worse financially now than in 2008 and how Obama had directly effect such economic standing.

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Re: Barack Hussein Obama
« Reply #30 on: December 27, 2011, 08:46:48 AM »
And you are a gay obamabot with TBI.   And since when is socialism/communism something new that you fools buy in to? 
I still don't get what's funny about TBI.

I'm not offended by the statement, I just don't see any humor in it.

Why do you hate America?

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Re: Barack Hussein Obama
« Reply #31 on: December 27, 2011, 08:47:34 AM »

So no such explanation as to why the agency that declared us to be in a recession is had declared us not to be in a recession and how that equates us to being worse off economically.

Alls i want is an explanation. I have already stated my gripes with Obama. Now if you can explain this I might have one more, but at this juncture it just doesn't add up.

Now BF, i know you're a smart guy, much smarter than this 333 character,  so just give me in real terms, factually, how we are worse financially now than in 2008 and how Obama had directly effect such economic standing.




LOL!!!!!  Tell me you are joking! ! ! !

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Re: Barack Hussein Obama
« Reply #32 on: December 27, 2011, 08:48:21 AM »



LOL!!!!!  Tell me you are joking! ! ! !

as funny as 5000 miles from NY to LA

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Re: Barack Hussein Obama
« Reply #33 on: December 27, 2011, 08:51:09 AM »
Even after Obama wins a second term he's going to have a hard time matching the record of 333's Messiah

Obama's deficit includes debt ranked up by the great Republican Messiah




The last real president we had.   The present ghetto looting grifter is a disgrace.  fuck him and every dirtbag who voted for him.

Let's look at some of the heroic actions of your Messiah and Personal Saviour

1. Reagan was a serial tax raiser. As governor of California, Reagan “signed into law the largest tax increase in the history of any state up till then.” Meanwhile, state spending nearly doubled. As president, Reagan “raised taxes in seven of his eight years in office,” including four times in just two years. As former GOP Senator Alan Simpson, who called Reagan “a dear friend,” told NPR, “Ronald Reagan raised taxes 11 times in his administration — I was there.” “Reagan was never afraid to raise taxes,” said historian Douglas Brinkley, who edited Reagan’s memoir. Reagan the anti-tax zealot is “false mythology,” Brinkley said.

2. Reagan nearly tripled the federal budget deficit. During the Reagan years, the debt increased to nearly $3 trillion, “roughly three times as much as the first 80 years of the century had done altogether.” Reagan enacted a major tax cut his first year in office and government revenue dropped off precipitously. Despite the conservative myth that tax cuts somehow increase revenue, the government went deeper into debt and Reagan had to raise taxes just a year after he enacted his tax cut. Despite ten more tax hikes on everything from gasoline to corporate income, Reagan was never able to get the deficit under control.

3. Unemployment soared after Reagan’s 1981 tax cuts. Unemployment jumped to 10.8 percent after Reagan enacted his much-touted tax cut, and it took years for the rate to get back down to its previous level. Meanwhile, income inequality exploded. Despite the myth that Reagan presided over an era of unmatched economic boom for all Americans, Reagan disproportionately taxed the poor and middle class, but the economic growth of the 1980′s did little help them. “Since 1980, median household income has risen only 30 percent, adjusted for inflation, while average incomes at the top have tripled or quadrupled,” the New York Times’ David Leonhardt noted.

4. Reagan grew the size of the federal government tremendously. Reagan promised “to move boldly, decisively, and quickly to control the runaway growth of federal spending,” but federal spending “ballooned” under Reagan. He bailed out Social Security in 1983 after attempting to privatize it, and set up a progressive taxation system to keep it funded into the future. He promised to cut government agencies like the Department of Energy and Education but ended up adding one of the largest — the Department of Veterans’ Affairs, which today has a budget of nearly $90 billion and close to 300,000 employees. He also hiked defense spending by over $100 billion a year to a level not seen since the height of the Vietnam war.

5. Reagan did little to fight a woman’s right to choose. As governor of California in 1967, Reagan signed a bill to liberalize the state’s abortion laws that “resulted in more than a million abortions.” When Reagan ran for president, he advocated a constitutional amendment that would have prohibited all abortions except when necessary to save the life of the mother, but once in office, he “never seriously pursued” curbing choice.

6. Reagan was a “bellicose peacenik.” He wrote in his memoirs that “[m]y dream…became a world free of nuclear weapons.” “This vision stemmed from the president’s belief that the biblical account of Armageddon prophesied nuclear war — and that apocalypse could be averted if everyone, especially the Soviets, eliminated nuclear weapons,” the Washington Monthly noted. And Reagan’s military buildup was meant to crush the Soviet Union, but “also to put the United States in a stronger position from which to establish effective arms control” for the the entire world — a vision acted out by Regean’s vice president, George H.W. Bush, when he became president.

7. Reagan gave amnesty to 3 million undocumented immigrants. Reagan signed into law a bill that made any immigrant who had entered the country before 1982 eligible for amnesty. The bill was sold as a crackdown, but its tough sanctions on employers who hired undocumented immigrants were removed before final passage. The bill helped 3 million people and millions more family members gain American residency. It has since become a source of major embarrassment for conservatives.

8. Reagan illegally funneled weapons to Iran. Reagan and other senior U.S. officials secretly sold arms to officials in Iran, which was subject to a an arms embargo at the time, in exchange for American hostages. Some funds from the illegal arms sales also went to fund anti-Communist rebels in Nicaragua — something Congress had already prohibited the administration from doing. When the deals went public, the Iran-Contra Affair, as it came to be know, was an enormous political scandal that forced several senior administration officials to resign.

9. Reagan vetoed a comprehensive anti-Apartheid act. which placed sanctions on South Africa and cut off all American trade with the country. Reagan’s veto was overridden by the Republican-controlled Senate. Reagan responded by saying “I deeply regret that Congress has seen fit to override my veto,” saying that the law “will not solve the serious problems that plague that country.”

10. Reagan helped create the Taliban and Osama Bin Laden. Reagan fought a proxy war with the Soviet Union by training, arming, equipping, and funding Islamist mujahidin fighters in Afghanistan. Reagan funneled billions of dollars, along with top-secret intelligence and sophisticated weaponry to these fighters through the Pakistani intelligence service. The Talbian and Osama Bin Laden — a prominent mujahidin commander — emerged from these mujahidin groups Reagan helped create, and U.S. policy towards Pakistan remains strained because of the intelligence services’ close relations to these fighters. In fact, Reagan’s decision to continue the proxy war after the Soviets were willing to retreat played a direct role in Bin Laden’s ascendancy.


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Re: Barack Hussein Obama
« Reply #34 on: December 27, 2011, 08:52:24 AM »
I know Boo Hoo

Let's still just pretend Obama did it all himself

Most of us live in the here and now, bubble boy. He has done nothing to fix it.

BHO will go down as the worst president in US history.


So no such explanation as to why the agency that declared us to be in a recession is had declared us not to be in a recession and how that equates us to being worse off economically.

Alls i want is an explanation. I have already stated my gripes with Obama. Now if you can explain this I might have one more, but at this juncture it just doesn't add up.

Now BF, i know you're a smart guy, much smarter than this 333 character,  so just give me in real terms, factually, how we are worse financially now than in 2008 and how Obama had directly effect such economic standing.

I'm typing from my phone so I'm not goin to bother. There are thousands of threads on this very board showingnhow we're worse off.

I don't know how someone can seriously argue things are better when they're hailing 350k people falling off benefits as a "positive sign". Look at the revised Q2 and Q3 GDP numbers and U6 and you'll see they're disasters.

You put way too much faith in govt. agencies. How about the measuring stick for inflation? Ol' Jimmuh removed energy and food price increases in an attempt to the real number and every potus has used that since. They're all arbitrary definitions that change with the wind.


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Re: Barack Hussein Obama
« Reply #35 on: December 27, 2011, 08:52:35 AM »
I still don't get what's funny about TBI.

I'm not offended by the statement, I just don't see any humor in it.

Why do you hate America?


He's oblivious to the fact that he hates this country and everything it stands for


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Re: Barack Hussein Obama
« Reply #36 on: December 27, 2011, 08:53:57 AM »
Even after Obama wins a second term he's going to have a hard time matching the record of 333's Messiah

Obama's deficit includes debt ranked up by the great Republican Messiah

Let's look at some of the heroic actions of your Messiah and Personal Saviour

1. Reagan was a serial tax raiser. As governor of California, Reagan “signed into law the largest tax increase in the history of any state up till then.” Meanwhile, state spending nearly doubled. As president, Reagan “raised taxes in seven of his eight years in office,” including four times in just two years. As former GOP Senator Alan Simpson, who called Reagan “a dear friend,” told NPR, “Ronald Reagan raised taxes 11 times in his administration — I was there.” “Reagan was never afraid to raise taxes,” said historian Douglas Brinkley, who edited Reagan’s memoir. Reagan the anti-tax zealot is “false mythology,” Brinkley said.

2. Reagan nearly tripled the federal budget deficit. During the Reagan years, the debt increased to nearly $3 trillion, “roughly three times as much as the first 80 years of the century had done altogether.” Reagan enacted a major tax cut his first year in office and government revenue dropped off precipitously. Despite the conservative myth that tax cuts somehow increase revenue, the government went deeper into debt and Reagan had to raise taxes just a year after he enacted his tax cut. Despite ten more tax hikes on everything from gasoline to corporate income, Reagan was never able to get the deficit under control.

3. Unemployment soared after Reagan’s 1981 tax cuts. Unemployment jumped to 10.8 percent after Reagan enacted his much-touted tax cut, and it took years for the rate to get back down to its previous level. Meanwhile, income inequality exploded. Despite the myth that Reagan presided over an era of unmatched economic boom for all Americans, Reagan disproportionately taxed the poor and middle class, but the economic growth of the 1980′s did little help them. “Since 1980, median household income has risen only 30 percent, adjusted for inflation, while average incomes at the top have tripled or quadrupled,” the New York Times’ David Leonhardt noted.

4. Reagan grew the size of the federal government tremendously. Reagan promised “to move boldly, decisively, and quickly to control the runaway growth of federal spending,” but federal spending “ballooned” under Reagan. He bailed out Social Security in 1983 after attempting to privatize it, and set up a progressive taxation system to keep it funded into the future. He promised to cut government agencies like the Department of Energy and Education but ended up adding one of the largest — the Department of Veterans’ Affairs, which today has a budget of nearly $90 billion and close to 300,000 employees. He also hiked defense spending by over $100 billion a year to a level not seen since the height of the Vietnam war.

5. Reagan did little to fight a woman’s right to choose. As governor of California in 1967, Reagan signed a bill to liberalize the state’s abortion laws that “resulted in more than a million abortions.” When Reagan ran for president, he advocated a constitutional amendment that would have prohibited all abortions except when necessary to save the life of the mother, but once in office, he “never seriously pursued” curbing choice.

6. Reagan was a “bellicose peacenik.” He wrote in his memoirs that “[m]y dream…became a world free of nuclear weapons.” “This vision stemmed from the president’s belief that the biblical account of Armageddon prophesied nuclear war — and that apocalypse could be averted if everyone, especially the Soviets, eliminated nuclear weapons,” the Washington Monthly noted. And Reagan’s military buildup was meant to crush the Soviet Union, but “also to put the United States in a stronger position from which to establish effective arms control” for the the entire world — a vision acted out by Regean’s vice president, George H.W. Bush, when he became president.

7. Reagan gave amnesty to 3 million undocumented immigrants. Reagan signed into law a bill that made any immigrant who had entered the country before 1982 eligible for amnesty. The bill was sold as a crackdown, but its tough sanctions on employers who hired undocumented immigrants were removed before final passage. The bill helped 3 million people and millions more family members gain American residency. It has since become a source of major embarrassment for conservatives.

8. Reagan illegally funneled weapons to Iran. Reagan and other senior U.S. officials secretly sold arms to officials in Iran, which was subject to a an arms embargo at the time, in exchange for American hostages. Some funds from the illegal arms sales also went to fund anti-Communist rebels in Nicaragua — something Congress had already prohibited the administration from doing. When the deals went public, the Iran-Contra Affair, as it came to be know, was an enormous political scandal that forced several senior administration officials to resign.

9. Reagan vetoed a comprehensive anti-Apartheid act. which placed sanctions on South Africa and cut off all American trade with the country. Reagan’s veto was overridden by the Republican-controlled Senate. Reagan responded by saying “I deeply regret that Congress has seen fit to override my veto,” saying that the law “will not solve the serious problems that plague that country.”

10. Reagan helped create the Taliban and Osama Bin Laden. Reagan fought a proxy war with the Soviet Union by training, arming, equipping, and funding Islamist mujahidin fighters in Afghanistan. Reagan funneled billions of dollars, along with top-secret intelligence and sophisticated weaponry to these fighters through the Pakistani intelligence service. The Talbian and Osama Bin Laden — a prominent mujahidin commander — emerged from these mujahidin groups Reagan helped create, and U.S. policy towards Pakistan remains strained because of the intelligence services’ close relations to these fighters. In fact, Reagan’s decision to continue the proxy war after the Soviets were willing to retreat played a direct role in Bin Laden’s ascendancy.


but but but did you see my thread on Obama going to india and playing golf

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Re: Barack Hussein Obama
« Reply #37 on: December 27, 2011, 08:55:28 AM »
Most of us live in the here and now, bubble boy. He has done nothing to fix it.

BHO will go down as the worst president in US history.

I'm typing from my phone so I'm not goin to bother. There are thousands of threads on this very board showingnhow we're worse off.

I don't know how someone can seriously argue things are better when they're hailing 350k people falling off benefits as a "positive sign". Look at the revised Q2 and Q3 GDP numbers and U6 and you'll see they're disasters.

You put way too much faith in govt. agencies. How about the measuring stick for inflation? Ol' Jimmuh removed energy and food price increases in an attempt to the real number and every potus has used that since. They're all arbitrary definitions that change with the wind.

of course you live in a bubble.

inside that bubble is your part time job at Burger King and your buddy 333 from the interweb

you two sit inside that bubble and live in a fantasy world and are baffled when other people try to point out the source your delusions

I suspect you'll be living there for a long time to come

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Re: Barack Hussein Obama
« Reply #38 on: December 27, 2011, 08:56:16 AM »

So no such explanation as to why the agency that declared us to be in a recession is had declared us not to be in a recession and how that equates us to being worse off economically.

Alls i want is an explanation. I have already stated my gripes with Obama. Now if you can explain this I might have one more, but at this juncture it just doesn't add up.

Now BF, i know you're a smart guy, much smarter than this 333 character,  so just give me in real terms, factually, how we are worse financially now than in 2008 and how Obama had directly effect such economic standing.
Why the fuck are you arguing semantics when its clear that almost everything is worse in the economy now than it was,.. so youre arguing that even though unemployement is up, deficit is worse than every, companies arent hiring, etc... that somehow things are better because they have changed the wording from depression to recession, even though everything is worse?

Anyone capable of thinking can tell that the agency is being used as a political pawn just like everything else..

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Re: Barack Hussein Obama
« Reply #39 on: December 27, 2011, 08:58:19 AM »
Why the fuck are you arguing semantics when its clear that almost everything is worse in the economy now than it was,.. so youre arguing that even though unemployement is up, deficit is worse than every, companies arent hiring, etc... that somehow things are better because they have changed the wording from depression to recession, even though everything is worse?

Anyone capable of thinking can tell that the agency is being used as a political pawn just like everything else..

so you're saying "almost everything" is worse now than the day Obama took office

Job Losses

GDP

Bin Laden still breathing

Access to health care

Etc..

All those are worse today than the day Obama took office?

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Re: Barack Hussein Obama
« Reply #40 on: December 27, 2011, 08:59:59 AM »
so you're saying "almost everything" is worse now than the day Obama took office

Job Losses

GDP

Bin Laden still breathing

Access to health care

Etc..

All those are worse today than the day Obama took office?


LOL.     Access to health care?     You call being mandated by the govt by force of law and threats "Access"? ? ? ? ?

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Re: Barack Hussein Obama
« Reply #41 on: December 27, 2011, 09:02:53 AM »
of course you live in a bubble.

inside that bubble is your part time job at Burger King and your buddy 333 from the interweb

you two sit inside that bubble and live in a fantasy world and are baffled when other people try to point out the source your delusions

I suspect you'll be living there for a long time to come

You sound mad, bubble boy. Let me guess, you actually believe you were doing your fair share when you took Obama's load in your mouth?

By the way, you're easily the most disconnected-from-reality on this board.

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Re: Barack Hussein Obama
« Reply #42 on: December 27, 2011, 09:04:22 AM »

LOL.     Access to health care?     You call being mandated by the govt by force of law and threats "Access"? ? ? ? ?

yeah, all those people with pre-existing conditions who couldn't get it before are really upset about it

same goes for all those adult children who can still stay on their parents cheaper policys.   Those people are really mad.

the only people that are mad are dopes like you for which NOTHING HAS CHANGED yet are too stupid to understand that

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Re: Barack Hussein Obama
« Reply #43 on: December 27, 2011, 09:06:55 AM »
You sound mad, bubble boy. Let me guess, you actually believe you were doing your fair share when you took Obama's load in your mouth?

By the way, you're easily the most disconnected-from-reality on this board.

why would you think I'm mad ?

you're confusing pity for anger




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Re: Barack Hussein Obama
« Reply #44 on: December 27, 2011, 09:10:07 AM »
why would you think I'm mad ?

you're confusing pity for anger





Boring. The politics board's self-crowned "I'm a somebody" is, once again, throwing a tiff in an attempt to save face after yet another failed attempt at defending his God-King.

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Re: Barack Hussein Obama
« Reply #45 on: December 27, 2011, 09:13:47 AM »
Boring. The politics board's self-crowned "I'm a somebody" is, once again, throwing a tiff in an attempt to save face after yet another failed attempt at defending his God-King.

self crowned "I'm somebody" ?

dude, you're loonier than ever today

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Re: Barack Hussein Obama
« Reply #46 on: December 27, 2011, 09:15:51 AM »
self crowned "I'm somebody" ?

dude, you're loonier than ever today

Not at all. It's clear from your posts that you're a narcissist like every other smug elitist from the Bay Area and, just like the rest of them, you're just not that smart.

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Re: Barack Hussein Obama
« Reply #47 on: December 27, 2011, 09:25:15 AM »
Not at all. It's clear from your posts that you're a narcissist like every other smug elitist from the Bay Area and, just like the rest of them, you're just not that smart.

yeah, I'm a smug elitist who works 5 or 6 days a week, drives a 14 year old Nissan Maxima and only owns one home.

I'm just hear to entertain myself and administer your daily ass kicking

If you don't want it then why do you keep showing up and asking for it?

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Re: Barack Hussein Obama
« Reply #48 on: December 27, 2011, 09:32:02 AM »
Why the fuck are you arguing semantics when its clear that almost everything is worse in the economy now than it was,.. so youre arguing that even though unemployement is up, deficit is worse than every, companies arent hiring, etc... that somehow things are better because they have changed the wording from depression to recession, even though everything is worse?

Anyone capable of thinking can tell that the agency is being used as a political pawn just like everything else..
1. is employment numbers a direct reflection of Obama or is it the residual effects of the recession that was declared in late 2008?
2. Though a non partisan agency does declare the economic status, they are still based off GDP numbers and the fiscal Quarters. Its not as if they are pulling the number out of their asses.  Its not about changing words from depression to recession. Its a working definition. 2 Qtrs of negative GDP movement. A recession isnt an opinion of people trying to make President Bush look bad.

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Re: Barack Hussein Obama
« Reply #49 on: December 27, 2011, 11:02:23 AM »
I just dont get this statement..

If we were in a declared recession (by definition) when he took over... and we are out of the recession (by definition)  right now,
Just how is it "much worse"..

This is a question for Beach


Take a look at the two graphs/charts 33 posted.  That about sums it up.