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Is anyone here familiar with Bell's Theorem and the concept of nonlocality (electrons being able to communicate with each other simultaneously)? I've been reading about it and it is driving me crazy because it just doesn't seem possible (I understand the results of the experiment, just not how this could be so). I figured most of the experts here on Getbig would have a good explanation.
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i believe, though i might be mistaken, that the experiment was based on the idea that nothing can travel faster than the speed of light. the "magic" communication between electrons was "proven" because in order to their to be some kind of mechanical communication going on it would have had to have occured at a speed faster than the speed of light. since this is (was) thought impossible, it is(was) assumed that there was some kind of "spooky" action going on between the electrons.
however the recent development with nuetrinos being observed going faster than the speed of light throws that idea out the window.
kind of odd someone would believe in a speed limit anyways.
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TWEET, I don't recall if your specific questions are answered in the only 'basic' book I can find on QM, but you might want to read Dancing Wu Li Masters to get a good idea of what QM is all about.
I found it difficult to understand but have had a couple of occasions with experts in the field and both agreed that I discussed the subject intelligently.
And each of them stated that anyone who claims to understand QM entirely, knows nothing about QM at all.
The book is posted in PDF form on the net and you can load it and read it at your leisure, but no matter how smart you are ..... it will be difficult, but interesting, reading.
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i believe, though i might be mistaken, that the experiment was based on the idea that nothing can travel faster than the speed of light. the "magic" communication between electrons was "proven" because in order to their to be some kind of mechanical communication going on it would have had to have occured at a speed faster than the speed of light. since this is (was) thought impossible, it is(was) assumed that there was some kind of "spooky" action going on between the electrons.
however the recent development with nuetrinos being observed going faster than the speed of light throws that idea out the window.
kind of odd someone would believe in a speed limit anyways.
hahahahahaha. ;D
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I'm not familiar with quantam mechanics at all, but I do know that tbombz and uberman know everything.
Does it have anything to do with bad parenting and/or violations of anal cavities? ???
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kind of odd someone would believe in a speed limit anyways.
I dont know that it would technically be described as a limit - just the fastest known discovered property in the universe.
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Quantum of Solace was a 2008 James Bond movie
if you need further explaination, you can pm me
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And each of them stated that anyone who claims to understand QM entirely, knows nothing about QM at all.
What a poor generalization - It states that to claim knowledge in a field is to indicate no or little understanding and yet to claim you have no knowledge would also indicate no or little understanding. HA HA Getbiggers would believe anything.
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Quantum of Solace was a 2008 James Bond movie
if you need further explaination, you can pm me
Post of the week right here!
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Quantum of Solace was a 2008 James Bond movie
if you need further explaination, you can pm me
Was also released as game on XBOX 360, PS3, PC, Wii and various other consoles - pretty good shooter/action/adventure if you like that type of thing, I have played the game although I didnt finish it, but it was def playable.
http://au.gamespot.com/quantum-of-solace (http://au.gamespot.com/quantum-of-solace)
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Post of the week right here!
thanks my friend, I am proud to be in your good grace
does this mean I won't be decapitated if I go to Egypt ?
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Was also released as game on XBOX 360, PS3, PC, Wii and various other consoles - pretty good shooter/action/adventure if you like that type of thing, I have played the game although I didnt finifh it, but it was def playable.
http://au.gamespot.com/quantum-of-solace (http://au.gamespot.com/quantum-of-solace)
the secret is out
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einstein's idea about the speed of light was a very elegant and smart idea, but that's all it was
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TWEETER, GO here .... http://www.arvindguptatoys.com/arvindgupta/dancingmasters.pdf for a free copy of Dancing Wu Li Masters which is generally accepted as the best explanation of QM available for basic QM studies.
The interesting part starts someplace around page 54 . Beyond page 54 your mind starts expanding if you take it step by step and do your best to understand it.
It starts off by explaining the dual nature of light.
Is light a wave or a particle?
And it can be either .... depending on how you 'look' at it (observe it), which seems to mean that the light wave or the light particle 'seems to know' hou you are 'looking' and adjusts accordingly.
Beyond that, you find yourself thinking deeply and learn new 'stuff' such as the non-existaence of material objects, and when and if you turn left, someone is an ulterior universe turns right .... or doesn't turn at all ... ad infinium ... thereby creating every movement possible in many different univrerses. (I think some other GetBigger explained this better in an earlier post as I are dumb and I explain it dumbly.)
Difficult to explain and comprehend but it makes you think ... and I think you'll enjoy reading it .
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einstein's idea about the speed of light was a very elegant and smart idea, but that's all it was
You make it sound as if you have a better idea. I am all ears - Lets hear it
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Sorry youre an atheist and have no one to thank its friday
I honestly have no idea what that means.
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quantum physics will indeed one day replace everything else we have on physics, einstein was not as mathematically advanced as people who don't know physics probably assume, he was very smart and intuitive and foremost had the courage to say to a generation that I am the god of physics for now, he was laughed at of course in his own time, but he came to define for us what the word genius means
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quantum physics will indeed one day replace everything else we have on physics, einstein was not as mathematically advanced as people who don't know physics probably assume, he was very smart and intuitive and foremost had the courage to say to a generation that I am the god of physics for now, he was laughed at of course in his own time, but he came to define for us what the word genius means
Agree with quantam physics statement, but einstein will always deserve credit, you can only play with the tools in your toolbox, I am sure if he was born in this time, he would still be a remarkable man and thinker. Just like Larry Scott wasnt as good as future olympians, great men will always be great, no matter what time they are born in.
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KUL, "THANK GOD IT'S Friday!
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he just had big balls, big courage, to me his ideas on gravity are nonsensical, his idea on space fabric I don't like, but his idea on the speed of light was so simple yet brilliant, why didn't anyone else see it, it was obvious, but he was the only guy with the balls to say this is so, and i'm hear to defend it
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KUL, "THANK GOD IT'S Friday!
Oh, I work for myself, to me every day is as good as another, but I know the saying
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QM seems to fall into the tree falling in the woods kinda theory. Does it make a sound? The answer could be yes and no.
QM apears to describe one thing behaving in complete oposing ways.
It also apears conscienceness has somthing to do with it. I saw a show that tried to eplain it as looking at a cat in a closed box.
Is the cat alive or dead? Well it seems that unless some form of conscienceness observes it, it is both alive and dead. And then you take it a step further. Are you alive or dead? What conscienceness is observing you? And it seems to go on and on until you arive at some kind of universal conscienceness.
Now that my eyes are all crossed i gotta go smoke a joint.
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I dont know that it would technically be described as a limit - just the fastest known discovered property in the universe.
there is nothing special about light, simply put once u have reached that speed, time has stopped for you. it is not a speed limit, it is a time limit, and it is an explanation of why is the speed of light the same for everyone no matter how fast u r going. so if u are going 100 mph, speed of sound is not c - 100mph, it is still c, because time for you has slowed down just a little bit
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not so hard to understand - when you observe something you shine light or use some other particle (electrons in an electron microscope) this leads to the conclusion that the way you observe something can affect the measurement.
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Was also released as game on XBOX 360, PS3, PC, Wii and various other consoles - pretty good shooter/action/adventure if you like that type of thing, I have played the game although I didnt finish it, but it was def playable.
http://au.gamespot.com/quantum-of-solace (http://au.gamespot.com/quantum-of-solace)
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Played it until the plane crash then just didn't have the patience to find my way out and sold it back to Gamestop!
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there is nothing special about light, simply put once u have reached that speed, time has stopped for you. it is not a speed limit, it is a time limit, and it is an explanation of why is the speed of light the same for everyone no matter how fast u r going. so if u are going 100 mph, speed of sound is not c - 100mph, it is still c, because time for you has slowed down just a little bit
blah blah blah, no offense I know there is a lot of debate, and unfortunately you mentioned "TIME" and thats where it gets tricky
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there's no confusion, the theory is very simple
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time doesnt speed up or slow down. one second is one second.
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APPLY, Thanks ... that was stated well but I still got a question.
Why is the speed of light limited to 186,000 miles per second? What or whom set that max speed limit and what prevents it from speeding up? AND is the speed of light constant ... meaning does it 'JUMP OFF immediately from its source or does it take time to get up to speed?
And if you exceeded the spee of light, is there a formula that would disclose how far back in tiime you traveled based on the speed of your journey? Or do you not change in time at all, but all others not traveling with you sjmply progress through time faster or slower .... meaning that travelimg into the past is virtually impossible?
These and other seemingly non-sensible questions were topics of discussion at a symposium I attended a few years back .... and each was adressed very seriously.
There was no such thing as a 'dumb question' cause I kept my mouth shut and merely listened.
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lol, einsteins explanation of the nature of light is very very simple
100 years before einstein maxwell hypothesized that the relative speed of light never changes, einstein took it seriously and said that this is because time slows down as you go closer to the speed of light, therefore always keeping the difference between your speed and the speed of light c. it stays constant, that was his whole idea. Not that the speed of light is constant, but that the difference between the speed at which u travel and the speed of light is always c, which is 670 million mph.
From this many other things came for instance that c, or c squared because when u calculate force u need to sqare the speed, c squared has to do with conversion of energy into mass, which is the equation e = mc sq
einstein is the one who said energy can turn into mass, this is why objects that go faster gain mass he said, the energy it takes to mae them go faster adds to their mass
see how simple it is, like I said so simple and elegant
the big difference between quantum mechanics and newtonion physics is that the nf was born in the human brain, atoms were first imagined and then discovered, atoms were understood through logic first, then they were experimented on and those ideas that were true were brought to the light and the false ideas were forgotten
quantum particles were found in tests, they were found to not make sense, you can't make sense of them, you first have to experiment and fromt here you form ideas
einstein was the last big genius who could figure things out, from now on it's about hadron colliders and dark matter and what not
the big thing if u really want to understand things, is that there is no actual speed of light, it is the speed of light relative to your speed that i always c
and when i say quantum mechanics dont make sense, i mean that two particles collide and the weight after the collision is heavier than the two particles weights combined together
as a kid I understood that simple physics is simply the average of quantum physics, meaning that on the micro scale things reappear and disappear randomly, but there so many particles doing this that when you have an object made of so many of them, like my hand for instance, things are basically consistent
for enough particles to misbehave on the quantum scale to make a difference in the real scale, is statistically impossible
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im not sure about this, but i think what is really meant by "time slowing down" is that molecular processes slow down in relation to other molecular processes that arent going as fast. time itself doesnt actually slow down. and molecular processes wont go in reverse. you cant go back in time. once a second has gone by, its gone by. if your going at the speed of light, one second still takes one second. a second is defined by a second. if it was shorter- it wouldnt be a second. scientists are funny creatures.
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APPLY, Thanks ... that was stated well but I still got a question.
Why is the speed of light limited to 186,000 miles per second? What or whom set that max speed limit and what prevents it from speeding up? AND is the speed of light constant ... meaning does it 'JUMP OFF immediately from its source or does it take time to get up to speed?
And if you exceeded the spee of light, is there a formula that would disclose how far back in tiime you traveled based on the speed of your journey? Or do you not change in time at all, but all others not traveling with you sjmply progress through time faster or slower .... meaning that travelimg into the past is virtually impossible?
These and other seemingly non-sensible questions were topics of discussion at a symposium I attended a few years back .... and each was adressed very seriously.
There was no such thing as a 'dumb question' cause I kept my mouth shut and merely listened.
speed of light is limited to c because that is the speed of electro magnetic waves, it's a math thing, i don't know it
you don't travel back in time as you get closer to c, time slows down for you so that it doesn't actually let you catch up, u can never go faster than light
if you want to ask a question that has to do with going faster than light and therefore going abck in time, you've broken out of the rules of einsein physics which is what states that time slows down at all
i'm not an expert on physics so the last thing could be wrong, einstein may have said aht u can travel back in time, but eisntein said a lot of nonsense
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im not sure about this, but i think what is really meant by "time slowing down" is that molecular processes slow down in relation to other molecular processes that arent going as fast. time itself doesnt actually slow down. and molecular processes wont go in reverse. you cant go back in time. once a second has gone by, its gone by. if your going at the speed of light, one second still takes one second. a second is defined by a second. if it was shorter- it wouldnt be a second. scientists are funny creatures.
molecular process, lol, what is that
if ur going at speed of light, there is no second, the second has been stretched to infinite
edit: u can never go at the speed of light
u can go c faster than me, but light will still be c faster than you
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How can people who have no mathematical/physical knowledge "discuss" quantum mechanics? ??? Personally, until I understand the maths behind a theory I don't even talk about it, it's pointless.
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APPLY.. I enjoy trying to understand things that are a complete mystery to me such as this QM discussion, Blackjack Basic Strategy, all the odds in every roll of two die in the game of casino craps ,,,,, and have mastered them all (as well as a few others), but for some reason I still fail to comprehend QM and the vast majority of what Einestein had on his mind regarding relativity and exactly why the speed of light is the same no matter how fast I myself may be traveling.
And I gotta admit that I have read basic QM books many times over until the pages fell from the binding. but for some unknown reason I still find it interesting even though its mostly UN-UNDERSTANDABLE on my part, whereas you seem to have a good grasp on what it's all about.
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How can people who have no mathematical/physical knowledge "discuss" quantum mechanics? ??? Personally, until I understand the maths behind a theory I don't even talk about it, it's pointless.
nobody is discussing quantum mechanics anymore than you are
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so no sol...
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SWBR, All I know about math is that 3+3 = 7, but some books on this subject are virtually "math-less".... such as DANCING WU Li in the vast majority of its parts.
The author attempts to simplify most of it by drawing little pictures.
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APPLY. Have you heard anything about the next generation of computers that will be based on the general principles of Quantum Mechanics.
(General principles???)
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nope
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molecular process, lol, what is that
if ur going at speed of light, there is no second, the second has been stretched to infinite
edit: u can never go at the speed of light
u can go c faster than me, but light will still be c faster than you
they say the faster you you travel the slower you will age
so if you take a trip through space going near the speed of light, come back to earth 20 years later having traveled non stop the whole time at that speed, you will be about the same age while everyone on earth will have aged and experienced 20 years of life.
molecular processes
but lets say your in a theoretical spaceship that travels at the speed of light
inside that space ship you count aloud= "1 one thousand, 2 one thousand" , while on earth maybe 10 years have gone by, for you a second has gone by, no more no less.
a second is a second.
time does not speed up or slow down.
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I saw a movie based on that, BOMZ.
QUANTUM COMPUTERS ..... http://www.dwavesys.com/en/technology.html
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I heard it got something to do with heavy upright rows...
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they say the faster you you travel the slower you will age
so if you take a trip through space going near the speed of light, come back to earth 20 years later having traveled non stop the whole time at that speed, you will be about the same age while everyone on earth will have aged and experienced 20 years of life.
molecular processes
but lets say your in a theoretical spaceship that travels at the speed of light
inside that space ship you count aloud= "1 one thousand, 2 one thousand" , while on earth maybe 10 years have gone by, for you a second has gone by, no more no less.
a second is a second.
time does not speed up or slow down.
lol, moleclar process, wtf is this guy talking about
listen, if time slows down then it slows down, wtf you are inventing new ideas in trying to understand old ones
you dont need to
theres no molecular process here, it is time that gets slowed down, not the molecular process, from the perpective of the molecule NOTHING CHANGES
there is no going near the speed of light, light is always going c faster than you no matter what, your skull is so thick no wonder u still wear diapers
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Falcon will bring light to this topic.
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molecular processes...lol
Einstein realized that the energy that mass has is a specific case of e=mv2. The velocity is c because that was the velocity mass was formed at.
Nobody understands QM yet. We have the math to make predictions, but not the why. I find entanglement the most fascinating aspect of it. When I try to philosophize as to why this could possibly happen, all I can think of is the 2 particles remaining connected in another dimension. Have any of you thought about it?
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lol, moleclar process, wtf is this guy talking about
listen, if time slows down then it slows down, wtf you are inventing new ideas in trying to understand old ones
you dont need to
theres no molecular process here, it is time that gets slowed down, not the molecular process, from the perpective of the molecule NOTHING CHANGES
there is no going near the speed of light, light is always going c faster than you no matter what, your skull is so thick no wonder u still wear diapers
Time is relative to gravity. This means that the closer you are to a massive object the more effect time will have on your body. This has been confirmed using atomic clocks on earth matched to atomic clocks on space shuttles. It is also possible to travel forward in "time", but not backwards. If a space ship could be built that could travel to a black hole, and circle it at the event horizon, the gravity from the massive black hole would "speed up" time for the people in the space ship. So for the astronauts, maybe 50 years will have passed from a trip to the black hole, circle it for a few years and return to earth, while on earth 500 years may have passed.
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Interesting how Tbombz said a couple of months ago that advanced maths are completely useless for the 99% of the population but somehow, while he's lacking knowledge about advanced maths, he's able to explain quantum mechanics. ???
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Interesting how Tbombz said a couple of months ago that advanced maths are completely useless for the 99% of the population but somehow, while he's lacking knowledge about advanced maths, he's able to explain quantum mechanics. ???
Are you surprised?
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i know quantum torpedos. :o
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Interesting how Tbombz said a couple of months ago that advanced maths are completely useless for the 99% of the population but somehow, while he's lacking knowledge about advanced maths, he's able to explain quantum mechanics. ???
i cant explain quantum mechanics but i can use my head to spot logical fallacies when they are blatant.
lol, moleclar process, wtf is this guy talking about
listen, if time slows down then it slows down, wtf you are inventing new ideas in trying to understand old ones
you dont need to
theres no molecular process here, it is time that gets slowed down, not the molecular process, from the perpective of the molecule NOTHING CHANGES
there is no going near the speed of light, light is always going c faster than you no matter what, your skull is so thick no wonder u still wear diapers
define "time"
one second is one second, one minute is one minute. that is the definition. there is nothing in the world that can possibly change that.
if you count 60 seconds, then youve experienced one minute of time. regardless of what other beings have experienced during that oone minute.
if while you count to 60, some other guy is counting at what feels like the same rate to him, and to him he counts to 5 trillion and experiences 5 years of time, you didnt experience 5 years of time just because he did, you only experienced what you experienced. one minute.
one minute=one minute. time does not speed up or slow down.
your experience of time in relation to other experiencing beings can change.. you might feel like one minute has gone by, and only aged one minute, while another person during that same span of time experienced 5 years and aged 5 years.. a minute is still a minute and 5 years is still 5 years. the difference is not in the speed of "time", the difference is in the rate of molecular processes.. the rate at which cells age, the rate at which the mind operates..
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i cant explain quantum mechanics but i can use my head to spot logical fallacies when they are blatant.
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Is anyone here familiar with Bell's Theorem and the concept of nonlocality (electrons being able to communicate with each other simultaneously)? I've been reading about it and it is driving me crazy because it just doesn't seem possible (I understand the results of the experiment, just not how this could be so). I figured most of the experts here on Getbig would have a good explanation.
oh boy!
:D
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Is anyone here familiar with Bell's Theorem and the concept of nonlocality (electrons being able to communicate with each other simultaneously)? I've been reading about it and it is driving me crazy because it just doesn't seem possible (I understand the results of the experiment, just not how this could be so). I figured most of the experts here on Getbig would have a good explanation.
Can't speak about entanglement but sounds like he basically disagrees with the hidden variable position that QM is as deterministic as classical physics and we'd see that if only we could expose all the hidden variables in play. I think that was Einstein and Bohr's point of contention.
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kind of odd someone would believe in a speed limit anyways.
they would believe in it because its the basic tenet of einstein's theories. those have proven to be very practically useful for nearly a century, and still are. So it makes sense that a speed limit could be believed.
But you are right, recent developments dont obey and some have only one conclusion..faster than speed of light. they are still inferred results though.
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i cant explain quantum mechanics but i can use my head to spot logical fallacies when they are blatant.
define "time"
one second is one second, one minute is one minute. that is the definition. there is nothing in the world that can possibly change that.
if you count 60 seconds, then youve experienced one minute of time. regardless of what other beings have experienced during that oone minute.
if while you count to 60, some other guy is counting at what feels like the same rate to him, and to him he counts to 5 trillion and experiences 5 years of time, you didnt experience 5 years of time just because he did, you only experienced what you experienced. one minute.
one minute=one minute. time does not speed up or slow down.
your experience of time in relation to other experiencing beings can change.. you might feel like one minute has gone by, and only aged one minute, while another person during that same span of time experienced 5 years and aged 5 years.. a minute is still a minute and 5 years is still 5 years. the difference is not in the speed of "time", the difference is in the rate of molecular processes.. the rate at which cells age, the rate at which the mind operates..
nope. "time" is not a vector. its a plane. its proper term is "space time". "time" is just the reference we use on earth or anywhere local.
even the unit we measure the vector time by (oscillations of a certain atom), varies depending on where we are and what speed we are at and if we are near another object etc.
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i cant explain quantum mechanics but i can use my head to spot logical fallacies when they are blatant.
define "time"
one second is one second, one minute is one minute. that is the definition. there is nothing in the world that can possibly change that.
if you count 60 seconds, then youve experienced one minute of time. regardless of what other beings have experienced during that oone minute.
if while you count to 60, some other guy is counting at what feels like the same rate to him, and to him he counts to 5 trillion and experiences 5 years of time, you didnt experience 5 years of time just because he did, you only experienced what you experienced. one minute.
one minute=one minute. time does not speed up or slow down.
your experience of time in relation to other experiencing beings can change.. you might feel like one minute has gone by, and only aged one minute, while another person during that same span of time experienced 5 years and aged 5 years.. a minute is still a minute and 5 years is still 5 years. the difference is not in the speed of "time", the difference is in the rate of molecular processes.. the rate at which cells age, the rate at which the mind operates..
rofl. wtf?!
you really are out of your depth tb.
stop now...its obvious you arent the sharpest tool in the shed.
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i cant explain quantum mechanics but i can use my head to spot logical fallacies when they are blatant.
define "time"
one second is one second, one minute is one minute. that is the definition. there is nothing in the world that can possibly change that.
if you count 60 seconds, then youve experienced one minute of time. regardless of what other beings have experienced during that oone minute.
if while you count to 60, some other guy is counting at what feels like the same rate to him, and to him he counts to 5 trillion and experiences 5 years of time, you didnt experience 5 years of time just because he did, you only experienced what you experienced. one minute.
one minute=one minute. time does not speed up or slow down.
your experience of time in relation to other experiencing beings can change.. you might feel like one minute has gone by, and only aged one minute, while another person during that same span of time experienced 5 years and aged 5 years.. a minute is still a minute and 5 years is still 5 years. the difference is not in the speed of "time", the difference is in the rate of molecular processes.. the rate at which cells age, the rate at which the mind operates..
time is relative.Time speeds up or slows down depending on how fast one thing is moving relative to something else. theoretically, the closer we come to traveling at the speed of light (186,000 miles per second), the more time would appear to slow down for us from the perspective of someone who, in relation to us, was not moving. Einstein called the slowing of time due to motion time dilation.
One of Albert Einstein's greatest insights was realizing that time is relative. It speeds up or slows down depending on how fast one thing is moving relative to something else.
For example: E-Kul's parents decide to send him to summer camp in the Getbig-5 star system, which is 25 light-years away (a light-year is the distance light travels in a year). Bert doesn't want to go and stays home on Earth. So E-Kul sets out on his own. Wanting him to get there as quickly as possible, his parents pay extra and send him at 99.99 percent the speed of light.
The trip to the star and back takes 50 years. What happens when E-Kul returns? His twin brother is now 60 years old, but E-Kul is only 10 and a half. How can this be? E-Kul was away for 50 years but only aged by half a year. Has E-Kul just discovered the fountain of youth?
Not at all. E-Kul's trip into space lasted only a half year for him, but on Earth 50 years passed. Does this mean that E-Kul can live forever? Nope. He may have aged by only half a year in the time it took 50 years to pass on Earth, but he also only lived half a year. And since time can slow down but never goes backwards, there's no way he could grow younger.
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According to Einstein's special theory of relativity, objects gain mass as they accelerate to greater and greater speeds. Now, to get an object to move faster, you need to give it some sort of push. An object that has more mass needs a bigger push than an object with less mass. If an object reached the speed of light, it would have an infinite amount of mass and need an infinite amount of push, or acceleration, to keep it moving
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Atomic clocks are extremely accurate clocks, In 1971, scientists used these clocks to test Einstein's ideas - One atomic clock was set up on the ground, while another was sent around the world on a jet traveling at 600 mph. At the start, both clocks showed exactly the same time.
As Einstein had predicted, the clocks no longer showed the same time on return of the plane.
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Tdongz; Jack of all trades, master of none.
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i believe, though i might be mistaken, that the experiment was based on the idea that nothing can travel faster than the speed of light. the "magic" communication between electrons was "proven" because in order to their to be some kind of mechanical communication going on it would have had to have occured at a speed faster than the speed of light. since this is (was) thought impossible, it is(was) assumed that there was some kind of "spooky" action going on between the electrons.
however the recent development with nuetrinos being observed going faster than the speed of light throws that idea out the window.
kind of odd someone would believe in a speed limit anyways.
You are mistaken(as always). Now STFU retard.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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According to Einstein's special theory of relativity, objects gain mass as they accelerate to greater and greater speeds. Now, to get an object to move faster, you need to give it some sort of push. An object that has more mass needs a bigger push than an object with less mass. If an object reached the speed of light, it would have an infinite amount of mass and need an infinite amount of push, or acceleration, to keep it moving
first of all, infinites do not exist.
secondly.. photons, which move at the speed of light, have such little mass that scientists refer to them as "massless" particles.
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Atomic clocks are extremely accurate clocks, In 1971, scientists used these clocks to test Einstein's ideas - One atomic clock was set up on the ground, while another was sent around the world on a jet traveling at 600 mph. At the start, both clocks showed exactly the same time.
As Einstein had predicted, the clocks no longer showed the same time on return of the plane.
because the clock slowed down, not because "time" did. ;)
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nope. "time" is not a vector. its a plane. its proper term is "space time". "time" is just the reference we use on earth or anywhere local.
even the unit we measure the vector time by (oscillations of a certain atom), varies depending on where we are and what speed we are at and if we are near another object etc.
time is duration.
one minute is 60 seconds.
60 minutes is one hour.
24 hours is one day.
these do not change. no matter what speed your going.
it is said that for God 1 day is a thousand years on earth.
time is definitely relative. but it doesnt speed up or slow down. ;)
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time is duration.
one minute is 60 seconds.
60 minutes is one hour.
24 hours is one day.
these do not change. no matter what speed your going.
it is said that for God 1 day is like a thousand years on earth.
time is definitely relative. but it doesnt speed up or slow down. ;)
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you're way over your head here dongz, and im not insulting your intelligence here. you are smart.
Just shut the fuck up about things you know nothing about.
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you're way over your head here dongz, and im not insulting your intelligence here. you are smart.
Just shut the fuck up about things you know nothing about.
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please explain to me how i am wrong
one minute is one minute
are you trying to say different ?
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You are mistaken(as always). Now STFU retard.
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you think i am mistaken ? what part exactly ? that electrons are thought to communicate instantly, "magically", because the only way it would be possible for there to be a mechanical communication going on would be for it to be happening at faster than the speed of light? i do believe that part is correct..
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please explain to me how i am wrong
one minute is one minute
are you trying to say different ?
its empirically proven that the speed you're travelling in affects how 'fast' time goes. They can measure time accurately enough so that they can tell the minute differences experiences in airway travel. Another easy example is that GPS sattelites (because of the high speeds theyre travelling at) have to be adjusted to 'earth time' otherwise the coordinates would be off.
Read up on it more on the internet, i am sure there are sufficient explanations.
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its empirically proven that the speed you're travelling in affects how 'fast' time goes. They can measure time accurately enough so that they can tell the minute differences experiences in airway travel. Another easy example is that GPS sattelites have to be adjusted to 'earth time' otherwise the coordinates would be off.
Read up on it more on the internet, i am sure there are sufficient explanations.
see, the problem here is the definition of "time".
im not debating that when speed increases mechanical processes slow down.
sure they do.
but one minute is always one minute. that never changes.
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see, the problem here is the definition of "time".
im not debating that when speed increases mechanical processes slow down.
sure they do.
but one minute is always one minute. that never changes.
Dude, just look it up. I could try explaining it but you would throw more at me to explain away.
It is a scientific fact that time slows down as you get closer to the speed of light. Anyone within the inertial frame will not experience it, so the 'mechanical processes' dont slow down, everything will take exactly the same amount of time to happen. Its just that for an outside observer it would look slowed down.
Its not an easy concept to intuit, read and let it sink in.
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tbombz intelligent? no no no, he's not a retard, but now you start to see what exactly is the matter with this guy, go look at his religous discussions, he's a giant troll, will never ever be honest about anything
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Dude, just look it up. I could try explaining it but you would throw more at me to explain away.
It is a scientific fact that time slows down as you get closer to the speed of light. Anyone within the inertial frame will not experience it, so the 'mechanical processes' dont slow down, everything will take exactly the same amount of time to happen. Its just that for an outside observer it would look slowed down.
Its not an easy concept to intuit, read and let it sink in.
scientific fact, no it is an observable phenomenon, but i have a feeling in 25 years there will be a new explanation for it, something on the quantum level, einstein will be given a pat on the back and then asked to step aside
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Dude, just look it up. I could try explaining it but you would throw more at me to explain away.
It is a scientific fact that time slows down as you get closer to the speed of light. Anyone within the inertial frame will not experience it, so the 'mechanical processes' dont slow down, everything will take exactly the same amount of time to happen. Its just that for an outside observer it would look slowed down.
Its not an easy concept to intuit, read and let it sink in.
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i completely understand the concept broseph
mechanical processes slow down
time is a record of mechanical processess- a duration in which X amount happens is Y unit of time
if the gears on a clock slow down, then a minute will take longer to go by
but if at the same time all the cells in your body slow down, the nuerons and brain activity too, then that minute will still only take a minute
not hard to understand. ;D
what im saying is that a minute is a minute. "time" doesnt change, doesnt speed up or slow down. yet all you guys with your head stuffed in your asses who cant think on your own outside of what your professors and textbooks tell you are fighting with this extremely basic logical fact.
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tbombz intelligent? no no no, he's not a retard, but now you start to see what exactly is the matter with this guy, go look at his religous discussions, he's a giant troll, will never ever be honest about anything
bro - causality - look into it ;)
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scientific fact, no it is an observable phenomenon, but i have a feeling in 25 years there will be a new explanation for it, something on the quantum level, einstein will be given a pat on the back and then asked to step aside
honestly dont know enough to debate the finer aspects, but time slows down whether you explain it using the concept o relativity or what have you (string theory maybe?).
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it's changed from molecular process to mechanical process, the little stupidities your brain comes up with on a daily basis lol, you are a very creative troll
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honestly dont know enough to debate the finer aspects, but time slows down whether you explain it using the concept o relativity or what have you (string theory maybe?).
yup, time slows down, not mechanical processes lol, in fact if you flip things around and say ok time never changes, then "mechanical processes" speed up because more things happen in the same amount of time
but even this simple concept is way beyond tbombz understanding
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i completely understand the concept broseph
mechanical processes slow down
time is a record of mechanical processess- a duration in which X amount happens is Y unit of time
if the gears on a clock slow down, then a minute will take longer to go by
but if at the same time all the cells in your body slow down, the nuerons and brain activity too, then that minute will still only take a minute
not hard to understand. ;D
what im saying is that a minute is a minute. "time" doesnt change, doesnt speed up or slow down. yet all you guys with your head stuffed in your asses who cant think on your own outside of what your professors and textbooks tell you are fighting with this extremely basic logical fact.
I see better what you're saying now, didn't mean to jump on the bandwagon.
But I still disagree with the contention that a 'minute' is a 'minute'. A minute is a minute in your intertial frame only. We measure time via mechanical processes as you just said (for example a second may be defined by how long it for a molecule to decompose). By this definition it will always measure the same no matter what speed you're going at, but relative to lower speeds 'the tick will take longer'.
honestly i dont know what the fuck time is, its still a mystery in science as far as i know.
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we only disagreed because we were using different operative definitons
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Hah, i think so.
Trouble is its hard to define time without reference to an event. Ive heard the theory that time is just a relationg between things and not a quantity that exists outside that relationship. Still puzzling why it would be relative though.
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i believe, though i might be mistaken, that the experiment was based on the idea that nothing can travel faster than the speed of light. the "magic" communication between electrons was "proven" because in order to their to be some kind of mechanical communication going on it would have had to have occured at a speed faster than the speed of light. since this is (was) thought impossible, it is(was) assumed that there was some kind of "spooky" action going on between the electrons.
however the recent development with nuetrinos being observed going faster than the speed of light throws that idea out the window.
kind of odd someone would believe in a speed limit anyways.
electrons do not communicate - but to observe them we have to shine a light or some other stream of particles on them - doing this can actually change the behaviour of the electrons.