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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: cephissus on January 10, 2012, 04:47:42 PM
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"hey kid, come back to me after 15 solid years of never missing a workout, meal, or microsecond of sleep. THEN tell me dedication and hard work aren't better than steroids." ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
To any dipshit who actually believes this: it doesn't take that long to "max out." Most honest and knowledgeable people will tell you that it shouldn't take more than three years of training to get all the muscle you're realistically ever going to have. I think it takes even less -- possibly even less than ONE YEAR of perfect training.
If you are the typical "aspiring bodybuilder," you probably played sports and started lifting in late middleschool/highschool. There's a good chance you weren't very good at real sports, so you quit and decided to just get bigger and stronger than everyone else. Turns out the joke was on you -- you got stuck on C-team/JV because you were a small little "late blooming" bitch with 0 hormones. You were also anti-social and didn't take advice from anyone, because you were going to "show them."
At this point there are several options:
A) You start juicing, remain mostly a shithead, and look like shit forever. No matter how big you get, you're never happy because you just have "okay" genes, and subconsciously realize that any "tiny tit" you silently smirk at whilst cranking out another dropset of upright rows could look exactly like you if he just got his little mitts on your test.
B) Fast forward five years and you finally learned a thing or two about bodybuilding, your hormones started flowing, you "bulked up," "cut down," and ended up looking okay. You got sick of the bullshit you read everywhere and ended up on getbig. Now you know better.
C) You listen to retards on T-Nation who tell you to order your Anaconda Protocol, eat your broccoli, and buy $50, 100 page PDF "e-books." You nod vigorously when they tell you to just "stick with it" (as they take a momentary break from the keyboard to "stick it" in their ass) for another 20 years, avoiding the temptation of the needle at all costs.
Fuck morons like Pat Banya, Layne Norton, Kiyoshi Moody, Jeff Rodriguez and the rest. They've built up the myth that the human capacity for adaptation is some sort of near-mythical god-like power that can only be harnessed by the most ironclad wills. Never mind the fact that these dipshits have looked the same for 15 of the 20 years they've been training... but none of the kids that they sell this shit to can be bothered to look this up (neither can I, actually :D).
Like everyone says... it's not rocket science. If you are a kid who's frustrated with his results, make sure you
A) are familiar with BASIC bodybuilding (for exercise selection / volume / frequency / nutrition) and olympic lifting (for technique) practices.
B) are eating enough (again not doggcrapp 7000 calories a day bullshit... but if you are a total twink you're going to have to gain some weight -- try figuring out "maintenance" and add calories until you gain weight).
C) have entered puberty.
D) have trained while observing points A-C for at least 3 years.
if you are still unsatisfied, learn about steroids.
the end.
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this sort of turned into a random rant, but the original point was that anyone who says it takes a DECADE or more of hard work to get an incredible physique is either an outright liar, delusional, or has never set foot in a gym. honest people will tell you 3-5 years, at most, and even then i think a lot of times this includes a lot of wasted time (either due to pre-puberty lifting or colossal fuckups in diet / gym -- not saying bodybuilding is at all a complicated discipline but when we are young we are prone to doing very stupid things... no thanks to fucks like pat banya).
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yes whenever I wrote "you" in this post I meant "I" ::) :D
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Just to clarify, in light of the recent discussions in this thread, I'm not saying anything about "natural limits."
I'm saying the idea that hypertrophy occurs at a glacial pace is retarded nonsense invented by scumbag "naturals" whose lives depend on their false image.
"Plateaus" in general are nonsense too. If you are "stuck" you just need to find the "solution" to your "problem" and then things will move smoothly again. There is nothing at all NECESSARY about a plateau, give me a fucking break... just because everyone is bound to run into problems doesn't mean that plateaus are some sort of condition of life... it means you didn't know how to get bigger.
If you knew how to train, eat, rest, program, and most importantly when to take your steroids, from the get-go, you would shoot up to your "genetic potential" in no time.
If any successful bodybuilder could rewind the clock and do things all over again, they would probably forget the meaning of the word "plateau" (unless they remembered to attend geography this time...).
If you are stuck bouncing around weight for years and still unhappy with your body... put down the cell-tech and pick up the syringe.
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"hey kid, come back to me after 15 solid years of never missing a workout, meal, or microsecond of sleep. THEN tell me dedication and hard work aren't better than steroids." ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
tom prince said somewhere that if you have to attend a family funeral then you're allowed to miss a workout.
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I saw myself in what you just wrote. Thankfully I joined GetBig and started researching roids one year ago!
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Good thing i knew from the very start that its all steroids.. im only 18 now and have not wasted more than 50$ total on supps thank god, and the only supps those were was prework outs :D
I feel so sorry for the retards over at bb.com who think with 5 years of eating chiken and broccoli and following some stupid routine they will look like layne norton lol!, and when someone tells them other wise they resort to personal attacks
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Good thing i knew from the very start that its all steroids.. im only 18 now and have not wasted more than 50$ total on supps thank god, and the only supps those were was prework outs :D
I feel so sorry for the retards over at bb.com who think with 5 years of eating chiken and broccoli and following some stupid routine they will look like layne norton lol!, and when someone tells them other wise they resort to personal attacks
juice it right from day 1 dont even bother researching training or nutrition the roids will do all the work for you
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juice it right from day 1 dont even bother researching training or nutrition the roids will do all the work for you
depends on how you respond to them.. not every one can just take a sh!t ton of aas,slin and gh and look like ronnie..lol
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post this on bodybuilding.com and get ready to be flamed by a parade of retards
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YOU'VE OBVIOUSLY NEVER USED STARTING STRENGTH, TAKEN YOUR GRASS FED CREATINE, 2G PROTEIN PER LB,YOU'RE T-BOOSTER AND ZMA PRE-BED FOR 15 YEARS STRAIGHT WHILE MANIPULATING YOUR DIET TO THE VERY CALORIC INCH.
YOUR LACK OF WILLPOWER SICKENS ME.
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post this on bodybuilding.com and get ready to be flamed by a parade of retards
and then watch as sideFX and that milone chump come in defending natty bbing
fuking lol
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I don't believe in "early max out", but it is undoubtly true that a bodybuilder can get 90 % of the results with 10 % effort due to the diminishing returns.
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I agree with the 3 years concept. I know what you are saying about the 1 year perfect training but it takes time to learn intensity and what your limits might be each workout so i don't think you're going to hit it that quickly.
After that you can improve with better maturity/quality which will make you look a bit bigger and better, but to get ripped with no gear ever you are going to be pretty small. Unless you do have exceptional genetics like Ronnie or we all know guys in school that were built and cut (for school) without doing much.
I don't get the talk about Layne compared to those other liars. Layne looks like nothing to me unless he is super ripped. Offseason he doesn't look like anything. Anyone can look great ripped with good camera angles which is what Layne does.
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Well said Cephissus, well said..
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YOU'VE OBVIOUSLY NEVER USED STARTING STRENGTH, TAKEN YOUR GRASS FED CREATINE, 2G PROTEIN PER LB,YOU'RE T-BOOSTER AND ZMA PRE-BED FOR 15 YEARS STRAIGHT WHILE MANIPULATING YOUR DIET TO THE VERY CALORIC INCH.
YOUR LACK OF WILLPOWER SICKENS ME.
You have to really squeeze hard on your testicles while you fap for max testosterone release.
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YOU'VE OBVIOUSLY NEVER USED STARTING STRENGTH, TAKEN YOUR GRASS FED CREATINE, 2G PROTEIN PER LB,YOU'RE T-BOOSTER AND ZMA PRE-BED FOR 15 YEARS STRAIGHT WHILE MANIPULATING YOUR DIET TO THE VERY CALORIC INCH.
YOUR LACK OF WILLPOWER SICKENS ME.
You forgot about Whey when you wake up and Casein before bed... NO MATTER WHAT. BCAA's BEFORE DURING AND POST WORKOUT BRO.. Beta Alanine PRE Workout with Nano Vapor gives you killlllller pumps bro..Waxy Maize and Whey Immediately POST WORKOUT 30 minute window bra
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grade A
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Oh yeah
Bring on more of that shit..
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You have to really squeeze hard on your testicles while you fap for max testosterone release.
IS THIS WHY I AM NOT MAKING GAINS?
You forgot about Whey when you wake up and Casein before bed... NO MATTER WHAT. BCAA's BEFORE DURING AND POST WORKOUT BRO.. Beta Alanine PRE Workout with Nano Vapor gives you killlllller pumps bro..Waxy Maize and Whey Immediately POST WORKOUT 30 minute window bra
HOW COULD I FORGET? THE ANABOLIC WINDOW.
NEVER GOIN CATABOLIC BRAH.
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Good thread
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Don`t forget to rinse your beef! ;D
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lol, going catabolic
guy i know who i dislike talks a lot about eating protein in the moring to stay anabolic all day, i can tell he's on some prohormone but he denies it,
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I would panic if i got home 35 minutes after finishing at the gym as I had missed the window to slam down 80g of 'fast carbs' that M&F told me i had to take to get bigger.
And also when i did my first 'cut' i wouldn't have even so much as a sip of coffee as it contained carbs that could impede on the pure fat i was burning on my morning empty stomach...
LOL I REMEMBER MAKING MY MOM BRING A SHAKE TO ME WHEN SHE PICKED ME UP FROM THE GYM WHEN I FIRST STARTED.
SMH.
MY MOM WAS LIKE DO YOU WANT OATS IN YOUR SHAKE TODAY TOO OR JUST PROTEIN POWDER? IM LIKE DAMMNIT MOM I NEED MY CARBS POST-WORKOUT FUCK DONT U GET ABOUT THIS GET BIG THING?
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Blah-blah-blah
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Has anyone ever actually done this in the history of the world '15 solid years of never missing a workout, meal, or microsecond of sleep'?
I suspect maybe only the Dalai Lama and I'm pretty sure I can out bench him.
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LOL I REMEMBER MAKING MY MOM BRING A SHAKE TO ME WHEN SHE PICKED ME UP FROM THE GYM WHEN I FIRST STARTED.
SMH.
MY MOM WAS LIKE DO YOU WANT OATS IN YOUR SHAKE TODAY TOO OR JUST PROTEIN POWDER? IM LIKE DAMMNIT MOM I NEED MY CARBS POST-WORKOUT FUCK DONT U GET ABOUT THIS GET BIG THING?
LMFAO! I started 'training' at 14yo and I would ask my mom for $5 so I could buy a "carb-protein shake" at my gym right after my workout.
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I noticed all natty scum liars make the same excuse when they get busted for gyno showing , their response : " i had my nipples pieced"... get the fack out of here .
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Good thing i knew from the very start that its all steroids.. im only 18 now and have not wasted more than 50$ total on supps thank god, and the only supps those were was prework outs :D
I feel so sorry for the retards over at bb.com who think with 5 years of eating chiken and broccoli and following some stupid routine they will look like layne norton lol!, and when someone tells them other wise they resort to personal attacks
I used to be one of these retards. 6 1/2 years of natural training and suffering where thought I'd look like a fucking monster. What a waste of workouts and dieting
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LMFAO! I started 'training' at 14yo and I would ask my mom for $5 so I could buy a "carb-protein shake" at my gym right after my workout.
YA WELL I REMEMBER WHENEVER I LIFTED WITH MY COUSIN AND MY MOM WOULDN'T PICK ME UP, BUT HE'D STAY LONGER IN THE GYM, I'D JUST MAKE A FULL ON DEAD SPRINT TO THE LOCAL SMOOTHIE KING AND GET A PROTEIN BAR AND A PROTEIN SHAKE. IT WAS ABOUT A .5MILES AWAY BUT ID JUST FUCKING SPRINT THERE AFTER MY WORKOUT.
DEAD ON SPRINT BRO. NEVER CATABOLIC.
EVEN FRESHMAN YEAR HERE IN COLLEGE,I WAS PRETTY MUCH POWER WALKING/JOGGING TO THE CAFETERIA FOR MY POST-WORKOUT MEAL.
ONE TIME MY PROTEIN SHAKE LEAKED IN MY BACKPACK AND RUINED MY PWO SHAKE MEAL,I HAD A FUCKING MELTDOWN OF EPIC PROPORTIONS. NOWADAYS, IF MY GH IS BUNK I HAVE A MELTDOWN OF EPIC PROPORTIONS. I REMEMBER THAT DAY THOUGH, I WAS GOING TO BEAT THE SHIT OUTTA ANYBODY THAT CAME IN MY PATH CAUSE MY 45 GRAMS OF PROTEIN WERE WASTED.
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I used to be one of these retards. 6 1/2 years of natural training and suffering (ok I did party a lot too but still) and thought I'd look like a fucking monster. What a waste of workouts
Damn you stuck it out for a while. How old are you? It took me 3 years of serious natty lifting before i switched over. I had been in the gym previously before that but off and on. I was always an athletic kid tho. 5'11 180 muscular before i even touched a weight. I say genetics do matter.
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I missed a workout today because there were too many shithead "imma start working out this year" balonie fellas taking up all the equipment so I just ran for a bit and went home.
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I used to be one of these retards. 6 1/2 years of natural training and suffering where thought I'd look like a fucking monster. What a waste of workouts and dieting
you aren't alone bro, lol
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what gets me is how you people got more stupid as the years progressed? People weren't this stupid in the 70's/80's?? ???
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i mean don't get me wrong we were stupid, but you people take the cake?
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what gets me is how you people got more stupid as the years progressed? People weren't this stupid in the 70's/80's?? ???
Media/Supplement companies promoting false hope I guess.
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What stats did you end up with approx. as a natural?
5'10 180lbs with low bodyfat. I was as high as 210lbs but fat and then I dieted.
Damn you stuck it out for a while. How old are you? It took me 3 years of serious natty lifting before i switched over. I had been in the gym previously before that but off and on. I was always an athletic kid tho. 5'11 180 muscular before i even touched a weight. I say genetics do matter.
I turned 26 years old three months ago. Started gear 2 months before my 25th birthday
3 years is fine. 6 1/2 years is a pathetic waste of time and I am embarrassed at myself. I also made the mistake of getting my steroid info from steroid.com at the beginning but luckily, I chose not to do pct and cruised instead.
I played basketball every day before I started working out. Started at 135lbs
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5'10 180lbs with low bodyfat. I was as high as 210lbs but fat and then I dieted.
I turned 26 years old three months ago. Started gear 2 months before my 25th birthday
3 years is fine. 6 1/2 years is a pathetic waste of time and I am embarrassed at myself. I also made the mistake of getting my steroid info from steroid.com at the beginning but luckily, I chose not to do pct and cruised instead.
I played basketball every day before I started working out. Started at 135lbs
210 lbs at 5'10" is pretty damn big for a natural imo. The biggest I've ever been at just over 6 feet is about 185 maybe 190 and I felt like a fucking mess, haha.
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Media/Supplement companies promoting false hope I guess.
but that has been around for decades!
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Media/Supplement companies promoting false hope I guess.
lol more like dante and sons 500grams of protein per day + BCAA before, during, and after workouts
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anyone ever heard of Kiwiol?
That guy was a natural trainer... bigger and stronger than most idiots on juice.
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I worked out for 11 years clean, switched over 10 years ago to the darkside. I think that was good though. Working out became a part of life without chemical use. So now when I cycle off I still lift just as religiously because I did it for so long without any chemical assistance. But yeah, you will reach your potential fairly quickly naturally. You can keep gaining strength up to a point, but you can go a VERY long time without adding any poundages on the bar or on the scale after you reach your genetic potential.
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Don`t forget to rinse your beef! ;D
rinse your own beef :)
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I got to 220 naturally was somewhat chubby although not really but was strong as fuck. I looked like a Lean powerlifter and was reppin 315 on bench for 6 clean reps no drugs
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210 lbs at 5'10" is pretty damn big for a natural imo. The biggest I've ever been at just over 6 feet is about 185 maybe 190 and I felt like a fucking mess, haha.
but I was FAT dude. Right now I am 220lbs but shredded first thing in the morning. My limit was 180lbs at the same condition I am at now
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Kiwiol:
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=252133.0;attach=293842)
5'6" or so and close to 220lbs
all natural. no slin, no hormones... just food and hard training.
all variables right, you either got the genetics to get big naturally or you don't. so just because you can't doesn't mean others cant.
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Kiwiol:
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=252133.0;attach=293842)
5'6" or so and close to 220lbs
all natural.
guys like this just store fat in the right places
once they diet down as a natty they lose a ton of muscle. i know a ton of these guys; they tend to be big all their life and are usually laos, samoan, black, some middle eastern, italian, german
also, he either isn't natty or isn't 220
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guys like this just store fat in the right places
once they diet down as a natty they lose a ton of muscle. i know a ton of these guys; they tend to be big all their life and are usually laos, samoan, black, some middle eastern, italian, german
also, he either isn't natty or isn't 220
granted he isn't 10%... but he worked very hard. I think he just had a better propensity to store glycogen than most of us mere mortals do.
I used to workout with him on occasion, and he was a beast... deadlifting 5 and a half plates a side for couple of sets (pretty good for a natty if you ask me). that's the sort of training you need to do to get big. his sessions were very big on volume (lasting around 3 hours total). he only trained 3-4 times per week from what I remember.
some people just have it in their genetics to grow big. I do agree he'd loose most if he dieted down... but hey... the point is some people can get very large and strong without drugs..
fellas like kiwiol could win major bodybuilding competitions building up naturally then when the time comes doing a cut with some gear.
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Kiwiol:
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=252133.0;attach=293842)
5'6" or so and close to 220lbs
all natural. no slin, no hormones... just food and hard training.
all variables right, you either got the genetics to get big naturally or you don't. so just because you can't doesn't mean others cant.
So if you dieted down, you'd be what? like 180-190lbs? Need a front shot otherwise I'm throwing out random numbers
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the point is some people can get very large and strong without drugs..
fellas like kiwiol could win major bodybuilding competitions building up naturally then when the time comes doing a cut with some gear.
i have to agree with this.. i have a samoan mate of mine who is like 260 lbs and 22% bf at 5'10 or so... he has 20 inch gunz, huge legs (prob 28+ inches NO SHIT and you cna see some seperation.. huge calves.. traps are huge and i trust this guy when he says he never used sh!t... bench presses 405++, but if he was to diet down he would probably be just at the higher end of the natty limit
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So if you dieted down, you'd be what? like 180-190lbs? Need a front shot otherwise I'm throwing out random numbers
I'm guessing he could have dieted down to 190lbs or thereabouts
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=252133.0;attach=293840;image)
say you for example you put him on the following for 12 - 16 weeks to get ready for a show gh, t3, slin (at appropriate times), test, winny, and a bit of clen off and on. he might even come in to a show at 220 from that starting point. he's a natty there remember, do you remember how you responded first cycle? man I bet he'd come on stage looking like a freak!
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i have to agree with this.. i have a samoan mate of mine who is like 260 lbs and 22% bf at 5'10 or so... he has 20 inch gunz, huge legs (prob 28+ inches NO SHIT and you cna see some seperation.. huge calves.. traps are huge and i trust this guy when he says he never used sh!t... bench presses 405++, but if he was to diet down he would probably be just at the higher end of the natty limit
Exactly
And think about this, Kiwiol is small framed Indian (from India) whose frame carries optimally 130-140lbs in an untrained yet fit state.
Genetics, either you have them or you don't. If you don't have them to build up big naturally you better hope you have genetics that respond to drugs.. else ur fckd!
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someone asked what a wondertard is, ^^^
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Exactly
And think about this, Kiwiol is small framed Indian (from India) whose frame carries optimally 130-140lbs in an untrained yet fit state.
Genetics, either you have them or you don't. If you don't have them to build up big naturally you better hope you have genetics that respond to drugs.. else ur fckd!
true. and he has an advantage in bodybuilding being a shorter guy
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tom prince said somewhere that if you have to attend a familyYour own funeral then you're allowed to miss a workout.
Fixed ;D
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hop off his cock loser.... ive talked to kiwiol and hes sent me pics, hes fat as shit r u kidding me? and now you're telling me his indian? lol 5'6 at 220. GET THE FUCK OUTTA HERE HOMO, I really hope you know him personally and aren't just saying this because "you like him" from an internet message board and also believe he's natural at those numbers, even though he looks like one... a fat pudgy guy with thick muscle, no striations,veins, or cuts... see it everyday at the gym, ego lifters.
I'm dead serious - he was big as hell 15% or around there. Get your blood pressure checked mate... looks way off the chart. :o
Yes he is indian, and he was pretty close to 220 at his peak and yes I do know him personally. we both studied at the same university.
Now he's stopped training and is fat with hardly any muscle.
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tom prince said somewhere that if you have to attend a family funeral then you're allowed to miss a workout.
I saw that thread, fucking liar. Makes you wonder if there's such a thing as karma, or maybe god punished him, considering how he looks nowadays.
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I'm dead serious - he was big as hell 15% or around there. Get your blood pressure checked mate... looks way off the chart. :o
Yes he is indian, and he was pretty close to 220 at his peak and yes I do know him personally. we both studied at the same university.
Now he's stopped training and is fat.
harharharrrr im on trenbologna acetata my friend, and me blood pressure fine but yes i belive u now, still he didnt look "good" more like a construction worker, but i guarantee he was strong as fuck, i was in that boat years ago
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harharharrrr im on trenbologna acetata my friend, and me blood pressure fine but yes i belive u now, still he didnt look "good" more like a construction worker, but i guarantee he was strong as fuck, i was in that boat years ago
agreed.
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i have to agree with this.. i have a samoan mate of mine who is like 260 lbs and 22% bf at 5'10 or so... he has 20 inch gunz, huge legs (prob 28+ inches NO SHIT and you cna see some seperation.. huge calves.. traps are huge and i trust this guy when he says he never used sh!t... bench presses 405++, but if he was to diet down he would probably be just at the higher end of the natty limit
Yep, there are some people who are just plain huge to begin with. I used to train with a guy like that, could rep 315 no drugs for 6-8 easy. Massive t rex arms and huge chest, just a freak. 3 plates natural for me was a mission for my small frame, a few reps for me if I was lucky, but not him. He made it look simple, guy was so strong.
Ive also seen Samoans that are built like bulls just eating junk all day. Huge striated calves, wide as fuck with huge shoulders, just big all over 250+ and dont even train, and sure as hell never even heard of steroids before let alone used them..
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myth that a natural can't build legs or seperated or both,,,
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Who dat nj??
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Who dat nj??
yeah ,,,
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granted he isn't 10%... but he worked very hard. I think he just had a better propensity to store glycogen than most of us mere mortals do.
I used to workout with him on occasion, and he was a beast... deadlifting 5 and a half plates a side for couple of sets (pretty good for a natty if you ask me). that's the sort of training you need to do to get big. his sessions were very big on volume (lasting around 3 hours total). he only trained 3-4 times per week from what I remember.
some people just have it in their genetics to grow big. I do agree he'd loose most if he dieted down... but hey... the point is some people can get very large and strong without drugs..
fellas like kiwiol could win major bodybuilding competitions building up naturally then when the time comes doing a cut with some gear.
you're right, some people do have it in their genetics to grow big. but generally they have been big all their life. i bet the guy weighed close to 170 - 185 without ever touching a weight
i guess he could be natty, but it's hard to know these days, so many fake natties and hidden agendas going on
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Yes he is indian, and he was pretty close to 220 at his peak and yes I do know him personally. we both studied at the same university.
Now he's stopped training and is fat with hardly any muscle.
from this quote alone i can already tell that this guy:
1. lied about being a natty
2. nobody that sits at 130-140 goes up to 220 with just hitting the weights hard and keeps a decent BF% by just training for strength
3. indians have some of the shittiest genetics, sorry. worse than asians
4. your friend is a liar, you were probably lied to
220 on a 5'6" frame is huge. some guys juice grams upon grams, slin, and gh just to get to 220 at 5'6"
franco colombu won a mr. olympia at 185
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yeah ,,,
impressive, no doubt. sweep really stands out.
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from this quote alone i can already tell that this guy:
1. lied about being a natty
2. nobody that sits at 130-140 goes up to 220 with just hitting the weights hard and keeps a decent BF% by just training for strength
3. indians have some of the shittiest genetics, sorry. worse than asians
4. your friend is a liar, you were probably lied to
220 on a 5'6" frame is huge. some guys juice grams upon grams, slin, and gh just to get to 220 at 5'6"
franco colombu won a mr. olympia at 185
i would say u laid this out ok,,point taken.i think by judging pic u could be 220 soft ,thick like that pic up top but diet to lean and i mean dried and lean top shape it could take from 220 to 170 just to get that stage goal,,gym big ,houselight big and stage big and shape are not even in sane league and to do it clean with great results takes a lot of effort and pinpoint dieting.look at my leg pic up a few i worked hard to get it right.i didn't kill myself tho ;D
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impressive, no doubt. sweep really stands out.
thanx man,,,,
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i would say u laid this out ok,,point taken.i think by judging pic u could be 220 soft ,thick like that pic up top but diet to lean and i mean dried and lean top shape it could take from 220 to 170 just to get that stage goal,,gym big ,houselight big and stage big and shape are not even in sane league and to do it clean with great results takes a lot of effort and pinpoint dieting.look at my leg pic up a few i worked hard to get it right.i didn't kill myself tho ;D
yea 200 stage weight and 200 walking around is night and day different at 5'6"
200 stage weight is like 240 walking around
and 200 walking around is like 165 stage weight if lucky, at 5'6"
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yea 200 stage weight and 200 walking around is night and day different at 5'6"
200 stage weight is like 240 walking around
and 200 walking around is like 165 stage weight if lucky, at 5'6"
good,,,u never know where ur going to end up ,always water to lose after the fat .
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Just to clarify, in light of the recent discussions, I'm not saying anything about "natural limits."
I'm saying the idea that hypertrophy occurs at a glacial pace is retarded nonsense invented by scumbag "naturals" whose lives depend on their false image.
"Plateaus" in general are nonsense too. If you are "stuck" you just need to find the "solution" to your "problem" and then things will move smoothly again. There is nothing at all NECESSARY about a plateau, give me a fucking break... just because everyone is bound to run into problems doesn't mean that plateaus are some sort of condition of life... it means you didn't know how to get bigger.
If you knew how to train, eat, rest, program, and most importantly when to take your steroids, from the get-go, you would shoot up to your "genetic potential" in no time.
If any successful bodybuilder could rewind the clock and do things all over again, they would probably forget the meaning of the word "plateau" (unless they remembered to attend geography this time...).
If you are stuck bouncing around weight for years and still unhappy with your body... put down the cell-tech and pick up the syringe.
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I don't believe in "early max out", but it is undoubtly true that a bodybuilder can get 90 % of the results with 10 % effort due to the diminishing returns.
Exactly. Whether you agree or disagree with the 1-3 years thing, the idea that you will continually, slowly gain mass over a period of 10+ years until you end up looking like skip lacour is one of the sickest jokes these liars have ever played on anyone.
Once you start gaining appreciable, proportional muscle mass all over your body, make sure you eat a reasonable amount and you will shoot up to your limit. Then you will stop BECAUSE YOUR BODY DOESN'T HAVE ENOUGH HORMONES TO DO THIS ANYMORE.
At that point, there is only one option... (hint: it's not "being consistent for another 10 years and hoping for the best.")
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from this quote alone i can already tell that this guy:
1. lied about being a natty
2. nobody that sits at 130-140 goes up to 220 with just hitting the weights hard and keeps a decent BF% by just training for strength
3. indians have some of the shittiest genetics, sorry. worse than asians
4. your friend is a liar, you were probably lied to
220 on a 5'6" frame is huge. some guys juice grams upon grams, slin, and gh just to get to 220 at 5'6"
franco colombu won a mr. olympia at 185
1. Kiwiol is actually one of my best friends in real life. He's 100% never cycled... I'm on gear and when I talk to him about stuff it's me talking at him, he hasn't got a clue. I used to suspect but after having dozens of conversations (in real life) with him about the topic I'm 100% convinced it's a fact that he's as natty as they get.
2. Kiwiol did, over a 15 year timeframe
3. Kiwiol obviously doesn't. He has insane genetics at holding muscle/water/glycogen. maybe others do too but they don't train themselves up to the point that he did?
4. Kiwiol is not a liar.
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1. Kiwiol is actually one of my best friends in real life. He's 100% never cycled... I'm on gear and when I talk to him about stuff it's me talking at him, he hasn't got a clue. I used to suspect but after having dozens of conversations (in real life) with him about the topic I'm 100% convinced it's a fact that he's as natty as they get.
2. Kiwiol did, over a 15 year timeframe
3. Kiwiol obviously doesn't. He has insane genetics at holding muscle/water/glycogen. maybe others do too but they don't train themselves up to the point that he did?
4. Kiwiol is not a liar.
If he says he's natural, I totally believe him.
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1. Kiwiol is actually one of my best friends in real life. He's 100% never cycled... I'm on gear and when I talk to him about stuff it's me talking at him, he hasn't got a clue. I used to suspect but after having dozens of conversations (in real life) with him about the topic I'm 100% convinced it's a fact that he's as natty as they get.
2. Kiwiol did, over a 15 year timeframe
3. Kiwiol obviously doesn't. He has insane genetics at holding muscle/water/glycogen. maybe others do too but they don't train themselves up to the point that he did?
4. Kiwiol is not a liar.
1. it's easy to play dumbass
2. so you think that over 15 years he slowly packed on the mass? do you think he'll be any bigger in another 15 years assuming he stays natural? what does this long time frame mean and why are you putting this out there?
3. he may have great genetics at holding muscle and water and fat in the right places, i don't disagree
4. you don't know that if you aren't him
i'm done talking about this guy
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1. it's easy to play dumbass
2. so you think that over 15 years he slowly packed on the mass? do you think he'll be any bigger in another 15 years assuming he stays natural? what does this long time frame mean and why are you putting this out there?
3. he may have great genetics at holding muscle and water and fat in the right places, i don't disagree
4. you don't know that if you aren't him
i'm done talking about this guy
good, move on.
fact is Kiwiol was natural and worked damn hard at it.
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1. it's easy to play dumbass
x2
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(http://p2-1.xhamster.com/000/013/141/411_1000.jpg)
very nice titonas ,, very nice
gh15 approved
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(http://p2-1.xhamster.com/000/013/141/411_1000.jpg)
natural?
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Natural training is shit unless you get lean before you start training/before you have any mass to lose. Simple formula for beginners/natties should be: get lean, eat well and train consistently, build a base and then if you want to take it further, jump on the hormonas. The problem with the internet is you get caught up in too many scambags lies and bs.
From 17-19 I followed the layne norton/scivation shit first. Then the serge nubret principles from his bb.com thread. 2 hour workouts 6 days a week, no steroids, eat 0 carbs except a couple of leaves of lettuce to get ripped etc. Turned into a twink. At 17 pre-trained I weighed like 140 but after this I got down to maybe my lowest of 120 llbs. I would never diss the great man though, I think he was just trying to keep the kiddos healthy. May he RIP.
My next phase was muscular development and the jumbo palumbo keto diet. This kept me at twink status.
After that I found the holy grail: Danta and sons lol. To give him credit, from the age of 21-23 DC and perma bulking took me from like 135llbs to 200 llbs at 20-23% bf (5-6). The only thing they don't tell you is that as a natural, you won't be able to diet the fat off without going flat and going back to twink status. This leads to many failed 'cuts' when you get disheartened by losing size in clothes.
I've found getbig in the last year but I wish I found it earlier.
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"hey kid, come back to me after 15 solid years of never missing a workout, meal, or microsecond of sleep. THEN tell me dedication and hard work aren't better than steroids." ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
To any dipshit who actually believes this: it doesn't take that long to "max out." Most honest and knowledgeable people will tell you that it shouldn't take more than three years of training to get all the muscle you're realistically ever going to have. I think it takes even less -- possibly even less than ONE YEAR of perfect training.
If you are the typical "aspiring bodybuilder," you probably played sports and started lifting in late middleschool/highschool. There's a good chance you weren't very good at real sports, so you quit and decided to just get bigger and stronger than everyone else. Turns out the joke was on you -- you got stuck on C-team/JV because you were a small little "late blooming" bitch with 0 hormones. You were also anti-social and didn't take advice from anyone, because you were going to "show them."
At this point there are several options:
A) You start juicing, remain mostly a shithead, and look like shit forever. No matter how big you get, you're never happy because you just have "okay" genes, and subconsciously realize that any "tiny tit" you silently smirk at whilst cranking out another dropset of upright rows could look exactly like you if he just got his little mitts on your test.
B) Fast forward five years and you finally learned a thing or two about bodybuilding, your hormones started flowing, you "bulked up," "cut down," and ended up looking okay. You got sick of the bullshit you read everywhere and ended up on getbig. Now you know better.
C) You listen to retards on T-Nation who tell you to order your Anaconda Protocol, eat your broccoli, and buy $50, 100 page PDF "e-books." You nod vigorously when they tell you to just "stick with it" (as they take a momentary break from the keyboard to "stick it" in their ass) for another 20 years, avoiding the temptation of the needle at all costs.
Fuck morons like Pat Banya, Layne Norton, Kiyoshi Moody, Jeff Rodriguez and the rest. They've built up the myth that the human capacity for adaptation is some sort of near-mythical god-like power that can only be harnessed by the most ironclad wills. Never mind the fact that these dipshits have looked the same for 15 of the 20 years they've been training... but none of the kids that they sell this shit to can be bothered to look this up (neither can I, actually :D).
Like everyone says... it's not rocket science. If you are a kid who's frustrated with his results, make sure you
A) are familiar with BASIC bodybuilding (for exercise selection / volume / frequency / nutrition) and olympic lifting (for technique) practices.
B) are eating enough (again not doggcrapp 7000 calories a day bullshit... but if you are a total twink you're going to have to gain some weight -- try figuring out "maintenance" and add calories until you gain weight).
C) have entered puberty.
D) have trained while observing points A-C for at least 3 years.
if you are still unsatisfied, learn about steroids.
the end.
ps
this sort of turned into a random rant, but the original point was that anyone who says it takes a DECADE or more of hard work to get an incredible physique is either an outright liar, delusional, or has never set foot in a gym. honest people will tell you 3-5 years, at most, and even then i think a lot of times this includes a lot of wasted time (either due to pre-puberty lifting or colossal fuckups in diet / gym -- not saying bodybuilding is at all a complicated discipline but when we are young we are prone to doing very stupid things... no thanks to fucks like pat banya).
pps
yes whenever I wrote "you" in this post I meant "I" ::) :D
pps
[img]meltdown.jpg[/img]
edit:
Just to clarify, in light of the recent discussions in this thread, I'm not saying anything about "natural limits."
I'm saying the idea that hypertrophy occurs at a glacial pace is retarded nonsense invented by scumbag "naturals" whose lives depend on their false image.
"Plateaus" in general are nonsense too. If you are "stuck" you just need to find the "solution" to your "problem" and then things will move smoothly again. There is nothing at all NECESSARY about a plateau, give me a fucking break... just because everyone is bound to run into problems doesn't mean that plateaus are some sort of condition of life... it means you didn't know how to get bigger.
If you knew how to train, eat, rest, program, and most importantly when to take your steroids, from the get-go, you would shoot up to your "genetic potential" in no time.
If any successful bodybuilder could rewind the clock and do things all over again, they would probably forget the meaning of the word "plateau" (unless they remembered to attend geography this time...).
If you are stuck bouncing around weight for years and still unhappy with your body... put down the cell-tech and pick up the syringe.
Pure poetry. I have a tear in my eye, especially on the last sentence.
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"hey kid, come back to me after 15 solid years of never missing a workout, meal, or microsecond of sleep. THEN tell me dedication and hard work aren't better than steroids." ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
To any dipshit who actually believes this: it doesn't take that long to "max out." Most honest and knowledgeable people will tell you that it shouldn't take more than three years of training to get all the muscle you're realistically ever going to have. I think it takes even less -- possibly even less than ONE YEAR of perfect training.
If you are the typical "aspiring bodybuilder," you probably played sports and started lifting in late middleschool/highschool. There's a good chance you weren't very good at real sports, so you quit and decided to just get bigger and stronger than everyone else. Turns out the joke was on you -- you got stuck on C-team/JV because you were a small little "late blooming" bitch with 0 hormones. You were also anti-social and didn't take advice from anyone, because you were going to "show them."
At this point there are several options:
A) You start juicing, remain mostly a shithead, and look like shit forever. No matter how big you get, you're never happy because you just have "okay" genes, and subconsciously realize that any "tiny tit" you silently smirk at whilst cranking out another dropset of upright rows could look exactly like you if he just got his little mitts on your test.
B) Fast forward five years and you finally learned a thing or two about bodybuilding, your hormones started flowing, you "bulked up," "cut down," and ended up looking okay. You got sick of the bullshit you read everywhere and ended up on getbig. Now you know better.
C) You listen to retards on T-Nation who tell you to order your Anaconda Protocol, eat your broccoli, and buy $50, 100 page PDF "e-books." You nod vigorously when they tell you to just "stick with it" (as they take a momentary break from the keyboard to "stick it" in their ass) for another 20 years, avoiding the temptation of the needle at all costs.
Fuck morons like Pat Banya, Layne Norton, Kiyoshi Moody, Jeff Rodriguez and the rest. They've built up the myth that the human capacity for adaptation is some sort of near-mythical god-like power that can only be harnessed by the most ironclad wills. Never mind the fact that these dipshits have looked the same for 15 of the 20 years they've been training... but none of the kids that they sell this shit to can be bothered to look this up (neither can I, actually :D).
Like everyone says... it's not rocket science. If you are a kid who's frustrated with his results, make sure you
A) are familiar with BASIC bodybuilding (for exercise selection / volume / frequency / nutrition) and olympic lifting (for technique) practices.
B) are eating enough (again not doggcrapp 7000 calories a day bullshit... but if you are a total twink you're going to have to gain some weight -- try figuring out "maintenance" and add calories until you gain weight).
C) have entered puberty.
D) have trained while observing points A-C for at least 3 years.
if you are still unsatisfied, learn about steroids.
the end.
ps
this sort of turned into a random rant, but the original point was that anyone who says it takes a DECADE or more of hard work to get an incredible physique is either an outright liar, delusional, or has never set foot in a gym. honest people will tell you 3-5 years, at most, and even then i think a lot of times this includes a lot of wasted time (either due to pre-puberty lifting or colossal fuckups in diet / gym -- not saying bodybuilding is at all a complicated discipline but when we are young we are prone to doing very stupid things... no thanks to fucks like pat banya).
pps
yes whenever I wrote "you" in this post I meant "I" ::) :D
pps
[img]meltdown.jpg[/img]
edit:
Just to clarify, in light of the recent discussions in this thread, I'm not saying anything about "natural limits."
I'm saying the idea that hypertrophy occurs at a glacial pace is retarded nonsense invented by scumbag "naturals" whose lives depend on their false image.
"Plateaus" in general are nonsense too. If you are "stuck" you just need to find the "solution" to your "problem" and then things will move smoothly again. There is nothing at all NECESSARY about a plateau, give me a fucking break... just because everyone is bound to run into problems doesn't mean that plateaus are some sort of condition of life... it means you didn't know how to get bigger.
If you knew how to train, eat, rest, program, and most importantly when to take your steroids, from the get-go, you would shoot up to your "genetic potential" in no time.
If any successful bodybuilder could rewind the clock and do things all over again, they would probably forget the meaning of the word "plateau" (unless they remembered to attend geography this time...).
If you are stuck bouncing around weight for years and still unhappy with your body... put down the cell-tech and pick up the syringe.
solid post mate
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very nice titonas ,, very nice
gh15 approved
ASS>tits FACT ;D
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ASS>tits FACT ;D
Wrong.
But you still can't see who's natural and who ain't so what's the use in arguing with you?
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"hey kid, come back to me after 15 solid years of never missing a workout, meal, or microsecond of sleep. THEN tell me dedication and hard work aren't better than steroids." ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
To any dipshit who actually believes this: it doesn't take that long to "max out." Most honest and knowledgeable people will tell you that it shouldn't take more than three years of training to get all the muscle you're realistically ever going to have. I think it takes even less -- possibly even less than ONE YEAR of perfect training.
If you are the typical "aspiring bodybuilder," you probably played sports and started lifting in late middleschool/highschool. There's a good chance you weren't very good at real sports, so you quit and decided to just get bigger and stronger than everyone else. Turns out the joke was on you -- you got stuck on C-team/JV because you were a small little "late blooming" bitch with 0 hormones. You were also anti-social and didn't take advice from anyone, because you were going to "show them."
At this point there are several options:
A) You start juicing, remain mostly a shithead, and look like shit forever. No matter how big you get, you're never happy because you just have "okay" genes, and subconsciously realize that any "tiny tit" you silently smirk at whilst cranking out another dropset of upright rows could look exactly like you if he just got his little mitts on your test.
B) Fast forward five years and you finally learned a thing or two about bodybuilding, your hormones started flowing, you "bulked up," "cut down," and ended up looking okay. You got sick of the bullshit you read everywhere and ended up on getbig. Now you know better.
C) You listen to retards on T-Nation who tell you to order your Anaconda Protocol, eat your broccoli, and buy $50, 100 page PDF "e-books." You nod vigorously when they tell you to just "stick with it" (as they take a momentary break from the keyboard to "stick it" in their ass) for another 20 years, avoiding the temptation of the needle at all costs.
Fuck morons like Pat Banya, Layne Norton, Kiyoshi Moody, Jeff Rodriguez and the rest. They've built up the myth that the human capacity for adaptation is some sort of near-mythical god-like power that can only be harnessed by the most ironclad wills. Never mind the fact that these dipshits have looked the same for 15 of the 20 years they've been training... but none of the kids that they sell this shit to can be bothered to look this up (neither can I, actually :D).
Like everyone says... it's not rocket science. If you are a kid who's frustrated with his results, make sure you
A) are familiar with BASIC bodybuilding (for exercise selection / volume / frequency / nutrition) and olympic lifting (for technique) practices.
B) are eating enough (again not doggcrapp 7000 calories a day bullshit... but if you are a total twink you're going to have to gain some weight -- try figuring out "maintenance" and add calories until you gain weight).
C) have entered puberty.
D) have trained while observing points A-C for at least 3 years.
if you are still unsatisfied, learn about steroids.
the end.
ps
this sort of turned into a random rant, but the original point was that anyone who says it takes a DECADE or more of hard work to get an incredible physique is either an outright liar, delusional, or has never set foot in a gym. honest people will tell you 3-5 years, at most, and even then i think a lot of times this includes a lot of wasted time (either due to pre-puberty lifting or colossal fuckups in diet / gym -- not saying bodybuilding is at all a complicated discipline but when we are young we are prone to doing very stupid things... no thanks to fucks like pat banya).
pps
yes whenever I wrote "you" in this post I meant "I" ::) :D
pps
[img]meltdown.jpg[/img]
edit:
Just to clarify, in light of the recent discussions in this thread, I'm not saying anything about "natural limits."
I'm saying the idea that hypertrophy occurs at a glacial pace is retarded nonsense invented by scumbag "naturals" whose lives depend on their false image.
"Plateaus" in general are nonsense too. If you are "stuck" you just need to find the "solution" to your "problem" and then things will move smoothly again. There is nothing at all NECESSARY about a plateau, give me a fucking break... just because everyone is bound to run into problems doesn't mean that plateaus are some sort of condition of life... it means you didn't know how to get bigger.
If you knew how to train, eat, rest, program, and most importantly when to take your steroids, from the get-go, you would shoot up to your "genetic potential" in no time.
If any successful bodybuilder could rewind the clock and do things all over again, they would probably forget the meaning of the word "plateau" (unless they remembered to attend geography this time...).
If you are stuck bouncing around weight for years and still unhappy with your body... put down the cell-tech and pick up the syringe.
Let's not forget this post for the post of the year 2012....a possible nomination.
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Good thread......up the dosage!! ;D
As far as kiwiol goes,good dude who is a natty and doesn`t have any reason to lie.
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Wrong.
But you still can't see who's natural and who ain't so what's the use in arguing with you?
Allright man, I was trolling with those scando dudes from IF, but the point is a lifetime natty can come pretty damn close to thier level of conditioning. No they can't be as "big" but they can be as "conditioned" ie. muscle seperation, with a certain "pop" to muscles
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great thread i fuckin love this forum
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btw the guy you posted is not 220, he's looks about 190 or so to me, maybe less, climber
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btw the guy you posted is not 220, he's looks about 190 or so to me, maybe less, climber
THAT GUY is the great kiwiol!!
Get permission next time before you utter his name convict!! :(
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YOU'VE OBVIOUSLY NEVER USED STARTING STRENGTH, TAKEN YOUR GRASS FED CREATINE, 2G PROTEIN PER LB,YOU'RE T-BOOSTER AND ZMA PRE-BED FOR 15 YEARS STRAIGHT WHILE MANIPULATING YOUR DIET TO THE VERY CALORIC INCH.
YOUR LACK OF WILLPOWER SICKENS ME.
Yeah NoSleep, the OP's lack of willpower is disgusting. Hold on, I'll be right back, I forgot that at 10:49 AM, I need to consumer 1.267 grams of BCAA's.
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Haha, this reminds me of my senior year of college.
I was in a very pretty girl's bed, and we had been hooking up for a while. I was falling asleep, and must have dozed off for about 15 minutes, and realized that I was late in getting my Myoplex shake.
It was about 18 degrees outside, and I ran to get Myoplex packets out of my car.
I was so pissed she didn't have a blender in her apartment, and that I had to run back out to my car for my shaker cup!!!!
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All rinsed beef and grass fed creatine bulls.