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Even during training his small waist was evident
(http://lh5.ggpht.com/_f0vUn-iQn_U/S4pnV-GfmxI/AAAAAAAAAGU/fUM1PMcmr5E/Arnold_Schwarzenegger_pullover6.jpg)
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-dkyqGqXn21I/TrStRb1sTWI/AAAAAAAAB9k/s4MfGTS3SVQ/s1600/Arnold-Incline-bench.jpg)
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Looks like a fucking giant under that weight on the bench
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Even during training his small waist was evident
(http://lh5.ggpht.com/_f0vUn-iQn_U/S4pnV-GfmxI/AAAAAAAAAGU/fUM1PMcmr5E/Arnold_Schwarzenegger_pullover6.jpg)
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-dkyqGqXn21I/TrStRb1sTWI/AAAAAAAAB9k/s4MfGTS3SVQ/s1600/Arnold-Incline-bench.jpg)
Pure illusion, Arnold himself said he had a wide waist...
Anybody, dieted down, and inhaling can get that look.
Arnold was a Master at hiding his "flaws" and making himself look better, plus the photogs were "Weider Propaganda" employs...always snapping the pic at the right angle, the right inhale, the right time.
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Pure illusion, Arnold himself said he had a wide waist...
Anybody, dieted down, and inhaling can get that look.
Arnold was a Master at hiding his "flaws" and making himself look better, plus the photogs were "Weider Propaganda" employs...always snapping the pic at the right angle, the right inhale, the right time.
You don't get there with "pure illusion" and propaganda. Even at his worst 1980 he looked better next to all his competitors. The man was a 7 time Mister Olympia.
Quit struggling with it it...
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Yeah, choose two exercises to show example that always result in the waist "sucking in". ::)
Arnold's waist was WIDE, but as was said, he was great at hiding his flaws (twisting his hips on front shots, etc.). However, he didn't have an overgrown belly, that's true.
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You don't get there with "pure illusion" and propaganda. Even at his worst 1980 he looked better next to all his competitors. The man was a 7 time Mister Olympia.
Quit struggling with it it...
Uh, I ain't arguing his track record...there is a pic of him in yellow trunks with that blonde lady who was stripping for Jesus...his waist is wide, he said it in his Encylopedia of bbing, and he said that's why he did all those twisting shots...
If you've read the Encylopedia, you'd know it...
No one said anything about getting there on pure illusion and propaganda,
but many of the training shots were just that...
It's what bbing advertising is based off of, from the Charles Atlas sand kicking to the Musclemag "add two inches to your arms like the Pros", to "I can ear anything and lose weight!"
To the Musclemag covers of bbers with beautiful women draped over their shoulders...
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twink waist = genetic flaw
Arnold waist was almost to small as it was.
look at this guy
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_nDUPWYmK8KM/S_D_AnFsToI/AAAAAAAAAzc/nNeyedcJDlE/s1600/Brian%2520Buchanan%252012.jpg)
didn't even win one pro show, :P
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Pure illusion, Arnold himself said he had a wide waist...
Anybody, dieted down, and inhaling can get that look.
Arnold was a Master at hiding his "flaws" and making himself look better, plus the photogs were "Weider Propaganda" employs...always snapping the pic at the right angle, the right inhale, the right time.
Relative to who he was competing with, which was smaller lighter guys. his claimed waist measurement at his best was 34" ( which Jay claims LMFAO ) and you can believe it
Here is his waist dead on and it's relatively wide but small and his back width give him a great v-taper even with the ' wide ' waist and from the side it was tiny
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his claimed waist measurement at his best was 34
Waist sizes are laughably underestimated by todays pro's. Even guys like Toney Freeman I'd guess at 34"
Jay and Ronnie are well over 40". Claiming a sub 30" waist is like claiming 25" arms. Fairytale.
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The perfect example of a bodybuilder who overcame his wide waist was dorian yates, with his monster back he made his waist look small.
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Waist sizes are laughably underestimated by todays pro's. Even guys like Toney Freeman I'd guess at 34"
Jay and Ronnie are well over 40". Claiming a sub 30" waist is like claiming 25" arms. Fairytale.
100% correct.
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find me a bodybuilder that can compete with this...
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find me a bodybuilder that can compete with this...
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really, look at their competitive records???
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really, look at their competitive records???
You implied that you were talking about his physique, though.
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I think Arnolds dollar-to-waist ratio is more relevant.....
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wide waist and four pack and no legs
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Arnold had no legs in 1980 FACT. :'(
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I dont like to compare bodybuilders of different era's. When Arnold was competitive, bodybuilding was still attainable. Now, its a mess thanks to the internet and insane drugs.
Flex had a great physique, but he didn't make the impact Arnold did...point taken.
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Arnold had no legs in 1980 FACT. :'(
Fuck off Noob...........disrespec ting Arnold with two fucking posts!!
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Arnold had no legs in 1980 FACT. :'(
Hi Maria
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LOL I like these little guys who try to criticize Arnold. If they ever saw him in real life, they would be the first ones to drop to their knees..
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Arnold had no legs in 1980 FACT. :'(
Compared to who? guys today?
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(http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v2618/40/80/689771343/n689771343_1661370_785161.jpg)
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Arnold had no legs in 1980 FACT. :'(
Yeh Arnold had no legs, he competed in his wheelchair ::)
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Uh, I ain't arguing his track record...there is a pic of him in yellow trunks with that blonde lady who was stripping for Jesus...his waist is wide, he said it in his Encylopedia of bbing, and he said that's why he did all those twisting shots...
If you've read the Encylopedia, you'd know it...
No one said anything about getting there on pure illusion and propaganda,
but many of the training shots were just that...
It's what bbing advertising is based off of, from the Charles Atlas sand kicking to the Musclemag "add two inches to your arms like the Pros", to "I can ear anything and lose weight!"
To the Musclemag covers of bbers with beautiful women draped over their shoulders...
This gangsta lean racist hates all white bodybuilders..that's a fact.
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I dont like to compare bodybuilders of different era's. When Arnold was competitive, bodybuilding was still attainable. Now, its a mess thanks to the internet and insane drugs.
Flex had a great physique, but he didn't make the impact Arnold did...point taken.
Agreed. Bodybuilding used to have mass appeal because it promoted a look that was healthy and powerful. Guys like Marcus Rhul with greenish yellow skin, and Ronnie Coleman with his chest buster gut are far outside the realm of normalcy, and look like they're on the verge of dying. Now it's been relegated to bizarre subculture status, and the only reason it's being held up, is because a few old rich homos need to indulge their 'ebony mountain of muscle' fantasies.
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This gangsta lean racist hates all white bodybuilders..that's a fact.
I guess you didn't see where I have defended Mike Francois, or Ben Pakulski...
I never said that Arnold was shitty, did I? No, I said he had a wide waist, whch he stated in his Encyclopedia of Bodybuilding. I have stated this several times over the yrs. This is not a knock on his legacy, his race, it's what he stated, and the reasons why he did those twisting shots.
Arnold was great for tryng to hide flaws in his physique. No physique is perfect, even Flex who possibly needed a bigger chest.
As far as Brian Buchanan and lack of Pro wins he never had a legs to match his upper body, and his conditioning wasn't spot on in the Pro ranks...
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Arnold had no legs in 1980 FACT. :'(
the fuck you talking about ???
His calves were well over 20" and his thighs are clearly a hell of alot bigger, closer to 30". Once again, people confusing size and definition.
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arnolds back,chest and bi's and way he posed made him the champ he was,his waist aside he had small hip structure and even tho his legs weren't thick by today's standards they fit his upperbody nicely ,,gave him that unique look,,katz was 'arnold like' minus the shape and flow needed to look like arnold.
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twink waist = genetic flaw
Arnold waist was almost to small as it was.
look at this guy
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Generation nothingness.
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at his best = when he was 16? his was is 36-38 in my estimation in pretty much every pic I see. it's fine, looks good, not his best feature but when u have arms and back and chest like him, u dont need a stellar waist to be the best
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arnold s waist/rest of body- proportions were almost perfect (same with yates before the bloat stated in 1994)
i have enough of the beginners and retards claming " great genetics, great build" whenever they see a guy with a tiny waist no metter how narrow/shitty the rest of these guys is
tiny waist IMO = fragile non athletic look, most of times narrow, no back, small pecs, no legs, no power, often to short legs (mostly seen on negros)
exception: ron coleman, he had one of the smallest midsections ever when he turned pro, but look at his shitty abs, and what happend to his overloaded spine
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arnold s waist/rest of body- proportions were almost perfect (same with yates before the bloat stated in 1994)
i have enough of the beginners and retards claming " great genetics, great build" whenever they see a guy with a tiny waist no metter how narrow/shitty the rest of these guys is
tiny waist IMO = fragile non athletic look, most of times narrow, no back, small pecs, no legs, no power, often to short legs (mostly seen on negros)
exception: ron coleman, he had one of the smallest midsections ever when he turned pro, but look at his shitty abs, and what happend to his overloaded spine
I think it was stated that Brian Buchanan used to squat with 500+ pounds for reps, and Melvin was big squatter and front squatter as well..
Their structure more than likely comes from the Ghana region---where Jojo Ntiforo is from, as he has the same structure.
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Of course arnold was a master at hiding flaws and accentuating strenghts, that's what made him great
He hardly stood straight on without leaning a bit or slight twist (ala zane)
Didn't stand with abs flexed, instead sucked in lower abdomen
Stayed away from rear lat spread, ab thigh and side tri
And why wouldn't he? The man was always a step ahead in everything
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I think it was stated that Brian Buchanan used to squat with 500+ pounds for reps, and Melvin was big squatter and front squatter as well..
Their structure more than likely comes from the Ghana region---where Jojo Ntiforo is from, as he has the same structure.
i remember once Melvin Anthony said that his training was "like Arnold's"
Gold's gym @ Venice has every new piece of equipment available. But melvin knew that heavy barbell front & back squats, barbell rows, barbell shoulder presses, barbell incline presses, barbell curls pull-ups, dips ect were the best for his frame
sergio, arnold, and haney built there bodies with barbells (and dumbbells). Old school
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Arnold did a lot of practice holding a stomach vacuum. This kind of thing is an afterthought with today's competitors. Arnold left no stone unturned, like a sculptor.
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arnold s waist/rest of body- proportions were almost perfect (same with yates before the bloat stated in 1994)
i have enough of the beginners and retards claming " great genetics, great build" whenever they see a guy with a tiny waist no metter how narrow/shitty the rest of these guys is
tiny waist IMO = fragile non athletic look, most of times narrow, no back, small pecs, no legs, no power, often to short legs (mostly seen on negros)
exception: ron coleman, he had one of the smallest midsections ever when he turned pro, but look at his shitty abs, and what happend to his overloaded spine
couldn't agree more, I never found a small waist desirable. Makes for a weak build.
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LOL...Now a small waist = a weak build? I've heard it all now...Sounds like excuses from guys that are built like toasters...whatever gets you through the day.
Closeline, black guys with short legs? Blacks have longer limbs on average than every other race...Asians and whites have the market cornered on stumpiness. No back? Blacks have the best backs in bodybuilding.
You're gonna have to define a "small waist".
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LOL...Now a small waist = a weak build? I've heard it all now...Sounds like excuses from guys that are built like toasters...whatever gets you through the day.
Closeline, black guys with short legs? Blacks have longer limbs on average than every other race...Asians and whites have the market cornered on stumpiness. No back? Blacks have the best backs in bodybuilding.
You're gonna have to define a "small waist".
I have a small waist dude and it makes my lower body look smaller than it really is. Its preference thats all, and I think a small waist looks fragile.
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perfection ^
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Pure illusion, Arnold himself said he had a wide waist...
Anybody, dieted down, and inhaling can get that look.
Arnold was a Master at hiding his "flaws" and making himself look better, plus the photogs were "Weider Propaganda" employs...always snapping the pic at the right angle, the right inhale, the right time.
oh brother, you again ::) Leave it to parker to be the first to jump in a thread and point out the flaws of the most genetically gifted man to walk the face of the earth because he is white.
your boy Phil can't hold Arnold's coffee cake...hope this helps ;)
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oh brother, you again ::) Leave it to parker to be the first to jump in a thread and point out the flaws of the most genetically gifted man to walk the face of the earth because he is white.
your boy Phil can't hold Arnold's coffee cake...hope this helps ;)
LOL!
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LOL...Now a small waist = a weak build? I've heard it all now...Sounds like excuses from guys that are built like toasters...whatever gets you through the day.
Lol
Its the new standard, real men need guts that match or exceed chest girth
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oh brother, you again ::) Leave it to parker to be the first to jump in a thread and point out the flaws of the most genetically gifted man to walk the face of the earth because he is white.
your boy Phil can't hold Arnold's coffee cake...hope this helps ;)
Most genetically gifted man...oh, brother...slurp eveybit of that Arnold Sea-men....everybody on here who knows and on iron age, would probably admit that Sergio and Serge Nubret had better genetics, and even Arnold would probably agree---and he even had said something similar about Flex Wheeler...
Arnold was great, he is bbing's true father, not Weider...I've watched Pumping Iron enough times, seen enough of his pics, read his Encyclopedia...but I haven't been sucked into the Arnold Indoctrination Machine. What I said was true, and if you read his Encyclopedia, he said it himself...
And, that is enough from the guy who sent Tbombz money for advices on roids and dieting...
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oh brother, you again ::) Leave it to parker to be the first to jump in a thread and point out the flaws of the most genetically gifted man to walk the face of the earth because he is white.
your boy Phil can't hold Arnold's coffee cake...hope this helps ;)
LOL Arnold the most genetically gifted man to walk the face of the earth?.....now I've heard it all..... ::)
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Most genetically gifted responder
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LOL Arnold the most genetically gifted man to walk the face of the earth?.....now I've heard it all..... ::)
so far we've learnt
Arnold was made to Gods image
Small waists are weak
Can't wait for more
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some guys here are stupid as hell
of course bb should have a rather small waist compared to some fridges out there
like arnold had and your multiple mr o cutler doesn t
i just wanted to make clear that there is a "to small" as well if it results in a weak lower body "monkey type"
cutler, schlierkamp = to wide
arnold, nasser, dorian, demey, strydom = perfect
buchanen, flex, ronnie = to small
and not to forget there is a difference between big waist with narrow hipps (bloated look of many pros today) and big waist with wide hips (rather genetics)
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I think you mean it portrays a weak core
I think that's dumb, this is bbing not wsm, sure in buchanans case it was an extremely small waist, but he was a strong bbber
same for arnold
anyway, each to their own, maybe it comes down to preference
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I agree with closeline. The waist should be medium-small to medium. Arnold was perfect. Bodybuilders arent supposed to look like power lifters with a large waist that conveys pure power; however, Bodybuilders should have a medium waist to convey 'aesthetic power'.
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I think you mean it portrays a weak core
I think that's dumb, this is bbing not wsm, sure in buchanans case it was an extremely small waist, but he was a strong bbber
same for arnold
anyway, each to their own, maybe it comes down to preference
It does come down to preference, and depends what type of BBer you prefer, or even if you wanna look like a bber. Not everybody does.
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some guys here are stupid as hell
of course bb should have a rather small waist compared to some fridges out there
like arnold had and your multiple mr o cutler doesn t
i just wanted to make clear that there is a "to small" as well if it results in a weak lower body "monkey type"
cutler, schlierkamp = to wide
arnold, nasser, dorian, demey, strydom = perfect
buchanen, flex, ronnie = to small
and not to forget there is a difference between big waist with narrow hipps (bloated look of many pros today) and big waist with wide hips (rather genetics)
Arnold and Gunter were built the same---had the same waists...if Arnold were to be on the same shit as Gunter was, they'd look similar...
Gunter did an ad for a video game, it ran in comicbooks, Wizard, Toyfare, and video game mags...He was dressed up like Conan, and he was offseason...I shit you not, he was the spitting image of Arnold in that movie---pecs, arms, and in particular, the waist (and abs).
Thing is Gunter is 6'2 or more, and 300+ and Arnold at the same weight was 235-240, so imagine Arnold with bigger legs, and more weight all around, you get Gunter...
The genepool has expanded since Arnold, and there are many more who could blow Arnold away, if they were transported back to his time, or if his peak self was sent to the future...
In fact, I think that if Arnold were competing in the NPc of the 90s, he'd lose to Dennis Newman, Flex, Chris Cormier, Kevin Levrone, Mike Francios, Paul Demayo, Don Long, Phil Hernon, and possibly even Craig Titus.
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Gunter is not quite 6'2...more like 6'1 on a good day
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I agree with closeline. The waist should be medium-small to medium. Arnold was perfect. Bodybuilders arent supposed to look like power lifters with a large waist that conveys pure power; however, Bodybuilders should have a medium waist to convey 'aesthetic power'.
isn't that what I said in other words
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I agree with closeline. The waist should be medium-small to medium. Arnold was perfect. Bodybuilders arent supposed to look like power lifters with a large waist that conveys pure power; however, Bodybuilders should have a medium waist to convey 'aesthetic power'.
spot on. See Levrone or Nassers waist.
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isn't that what I said in other words
I dunno, probably didn't read every post thoroughly. Kudos if you said it first.
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Even during training his small waist was evident
(http://lh5.ggpht.com/_f0vUn-iQn_U/S4pnV-GfmxI/AAAAAAAAAGU/fUM1PMcmr5E/Arnold_Schwarzenegger_pullover6.jpg)
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-dkyqGqXn21I/TrStRb1sTWI/AAAAAAAAB9k/s4MfGTS3SVQ/s1600/Arnold-Incline-bench.jpg)
d draper. illusion.
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another example
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Even during training his small waist was evident
(http://lh5.ggpht.com/_f0vUn-iQn_U/S4pnV-GfmxI/AAAAAAAAAGU/fUM1PMcmr5E/Arnold_Schwarzenegger_pullover6.jpg)
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-dkyqGqXn21I/TrStRb1sTWI/AAAAAAAAB9k/s4MfGTS3SVQ/s1600/Arnold-Incline-bench.jpg)
Like his idol Reg Park, Arnold has a humongous rib cage that he build with barbbell pullovers, once he enlarged it enough he swiched to the dumbell version of the exercise for in his words maintainence of rib cage, that's whats missing on many bodybuilders now days, of course the movement is very uncomfortable. It gives the entire torso a powerfull athletic look and a base on wich more chest mass can be built, also the bench pressing strength increases doing this exercise. And doing vacuums is more impressive, especially from the side.
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Like his idol Reg Park, Arnold has a humongous rib cage that he build with barbbell pullovers, once he enlarged it enough he swiched to the dumbell version of the exercise for in his words maintainence of rib cage, that's whats missing on many bodybuilders now days, of course the movement is very uncomfortable. It gives the entire torso a powerfull athletic look and a base on wich more chest mass can be built, also the bench pressing strength increases doing this exercise. And doing vacuums is more impressive, especially from the side.
Agreed. Massive ribcages like Parks and Arnolds are a thing of the past.
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Even during training his small waist was evident
(http://lh5.ggpht.com/_f0vUn-iQn_U/S4pnV-GfmxI/AAAAAAAAAGU/fUM1PMcmr5E/Arnold_Schwarzenegger_pullover6.jpg)
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-dkyqGqXn21I/TrStRb1sTWI/AAAAAAAAB9k/s4MfGTS3SVQ/s1600/Arnold-Incline-bench.jpg)
That pic's been shopped....seen the original his rib cage and hamstrings have been touched up, whatever the case he did have a Very small waist.....Side on.
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Arnold and Gunter were built the same---had the same waists...if Arnold were to be on the same shit as Gunter was, they'd look similar...
Gunter did an ad for a video game, it ran in comicbooks, Wizard, Toyfare, and video game mags...He was dressed up like Conan, and he was offseason...I shit you not, he was the spitting image of Arnold in that movie---pecs, arms, and in particular, the waist (and abs).
Thing is Gunter is 6'2 or more, and 300+ and Arnold at the same weight was 235-240, so imagine Arnold with bigger legs, and more weight all around, you get Gunter...
The genepool has expanded since Arnold, and there are many more who could blow Arnold away, if they were transported back to his time, or if his peak self was sent to the future...
In fact, I think that if Arnold were competing in the NPc of the 90s, he'd lose to Dennis Newman, Flex, Chris Cormier, Kevin Levrone, Mike Francios, Paul Demayo, Don Long, Phil Hernon, and possibly even Craig Titus.
Parker,you`re a good dude and I like your posts,but if Arnold had access to the same drugs as the guys you mentioned and said would beat him,I just have to shake my head and laugh.
The one thing Arnold had in abundance over those other great bodybuilders by the way,was a fierce determination to excel ....moreso than those mentioned I would venture to assume.
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Even during training his small waist was evident
(http://lh5.ggpht.com/_f0vUn-iQn_U/S4pnV-GfmxI/AAAAAAAAAGU/fUM1PMcmr5E/Arnold_Schwarzenegger_pullover6.jpg)
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-dkyqGqXn21I/TrStRb1sTWI/AAAAAAAAB9k/s4MfGTS3SVQ/s1600/Arnold-Incline-bench.jpg)
Hes looks MASSIVE underneath that bar, he was def a big man and you can especially see it when looking at his ribcage. Hes gotta have one of the biggest chests ever..
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Hes looks MASSIVE underneath that bar, he was def a big man and you can especially see it when looking at his ribcage. Hes gotta have one of the biggest chests ever..
his side chest is unmatched even today ,,new how to crest it and hit the chest pose as was intended,,kev leverone did as well....
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his side chest is unmatched even today ,,new how to crest it and hit the chest pose as was intended,,kev leverone did as well....
Shawn Ray's was good too.
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I dunno, probably didn't read every post thoroughly. Kudos if you said it first.
your explanation was more concise 8)
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Parker,you`re a good dude and I like your posts,but if Arnold had access to the same drugs as the guys you mentioned and said would beat him,I just have to shake my head and laugh.
The one thing Arnold had in abundance over those other great bodybuilders by the way,was a fierce determination to excel ....moreso than those mentioned I would venture to assume.
Wes, I believe Arnold was great, but I believe his his biggest feat was being marketable as well.
Had Arnold competed against, Dennis Newman, Mike Francois (the man had some work ethic), many of these dudes put in work, and were facially more marketable than Arnold...
Yes, he had drive, and so did others...If Sergio was just as in shape as Arnold, I think it would be tit for tat when it came to winning Mr. O's...they'd go back and forth...
I know you are from the old skool, and I like the old skool bbers, but the bbers from the 90s---that was the Golden Era, you are not going to see that for awhile. But, from looking at Arnold's pics, his vids...he wasn't the end all be all, what truly seperated him was his confidence and charisma...he conveyed it in his poses, he literally lept off the pages...
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Wes, I believe Arnold was great, but I believe his his biggest feat was being marketable as well.
Had Arnold competed against, Dennis Newman, Mike Francois (the man had some work ethic), many of these dudes put in work, and were facially more marketable than Arnold...
Yes, he had drive, and so did others...If Sergio was just as in shape as Arnold, I think it would be tit for tat when it came to winning Mr. O's...they'd go back and forth...
I know you are from the old skool, and I like the old skool bbers, but the bbers from the 90s---that was the Golden Era, you are not going to see that for awhile. But, from looking at Arnold's pics, his vids...he wasn't the end all be all, what truly seperated him was his confidence and charisma...he conveyed it in his poses, he literally lept off the pages...
I hope you are kidding man, lets turn things around and say what if Newman and Francois competed in Arnolds era without the modern drugs and diuretics do you think they could beat Sergio even once? Arnold did it more then once, you could say some of them where not deserving but not all of them for sure.
And Arnold was one of the hardest trainers in history, now way those two can be put in the same sentence on training hard.
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(http://www.fitoverfat.com/wp-content/uploads/arnoldcalves.jpg)
If you exposed this body to todays drugs; he would be unreal.
If you were to ask guy from the 80's: Lee Haney, Mike Christian, or Shawn Ray; I think they'd agree. I would be interested to hear Ronnie Coleman's thoughts.
One thing that I found kind of odd; Dorian Yates never seemed to be overly impressed with Arnold. Yates always mentioned Mike Mentzer & Casey Viator as his sources of inspiration (I think Arnold's personality was the exact opposite of Dorian's)
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/images/2008/training_with_arnold_a.jpg)
No camera tricks here Parker... Just Arnold loading up the T-Bar Row with some olympic plates
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(http://www.foto.pk/images/arnold9.jpg)
this body on todays drugs would be FAR superior to Gunter. Arnold's muscle belly's are fuller
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It would be really interesting to see arnold or haney on todays stacks
Would they look unbelievable,
Or like gunter and ronnie?
Not exactly like them, cause their bodies differ in many respects, but you get my point..
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Parker,you`re a good dude and I like your posts,but if Arnold had access to the same drugs as the guys you mentioned and said would beat him,I just have to shake my head and laugh.
The one thing Arnold had in abundance over those other great bodybuilders by the way,was a fierce determination to excel ....moreso than those mentioned I would venture to assume.
Wes, I believe Arnold was great, but I believe his his biggest feat was being marketable as well.
Had Arnold competed against, Dennis Newman, Mike Francois (the man had some work ethic), many of these dudes put in work, and were facially more marketable than Arnold...
But the reason why Arnold excelled, was his charisma and charm, it lept off the pages...at the time, and even now, he was the guy you wanted to be, cocksure of himself...he was what bbing was all about---others just sold you the Charles Atlas line---he was the real deal.
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no disrespect to serge or larry scott who were mro's before arnold ,but he put the cult of bbing on the map period.
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(http://www.fitoverfat.com/wp-content/uploads/arnoldcalves.jpg)
If you exposed this body to todays drugs; he would be unreal.
If you were to ask guy from the 80's: Lee Haney, Mike Christian, or Shawn Ray; I think they'd agree. I would be interested to hear Ronnie Coleman's thoughts.
One thing that I found kind of odd; Dorian Yates never seemed to be overly impressed with Arnold. Yates always mentioned Mike Mentzer & Casey Viator as his sources of inspiration (I think Arnold's personality was the exact opposite of Dorian's)
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/images/2008/training_with_arnold_a.jpg)
No camera tricks here Parker... Just Arnold loading up the T-Bar Row with some olympic plates
haney said arnold would be the only one who could beat him
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Bitches ain't know about the vacuum >:(
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Wes, I believe Arnold was great, but I believe his his biggest feat was being marketable as well.
Had Arnold competed against, Dennis Newman, Mike Francois (the man had some work ethic), many of these dudes put in work, and were facially more marketable than Arnold...
But the reason why Arnold excelled, was his charisma and charm, it lept off the pages...at the time, and even now, he was the guy you wanted to be, cocksure of himself...he was what bbing was all about---others just sold you the Charles Atlas line---he was the real deal.
True and you`re right about Francois.......good work ethic.
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ARNOLD WAS THE MOTHERF UCKING MAN DAMMIT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;D
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Bitches ain't know about the vacuum >:(
:o
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For bodybuilders , waist and joints the smaller the better ,I hope this helps.
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For bodybuilders , waist and joints the smaller the better ,I hope this helps.
So zydrunas savickas is not the ideal for bbing?
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For bodybuilders , waist and joints the smaller the better ,I hope this helps.
wrong
the optimum not extrem looks best
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wrong
the optimum not extrem looks best
::) Generation nothingness
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::) Generation nothingness
are you?
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are you?
Haha, what's next Closeline ?
''Lexington steel's cock is too big for porn"
''Yao Ming is too tall for basketball''
''Ussein Bolt is too fast for a sprinter''
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For bodybuilders , waist and joints the smaller the better ,I hope this helps.
^THIS^
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Haha, what's next Closeline ?
''Lexington steel's cock is too big for porn"
''Yao Ming is too tall for basketball''
''Ussein Bolt is too fast for a sprinter''
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except the last one exactly right
oh wait, yao ming was better than jordan, and had a better body than howard LOL
man you are an fucking intellectual
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except the last one exactly right
oh wait, yao ming was better than jordan, and had a better body than howard LOL
man you are an fucking intellectual
Damn you're stupid.
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For bodybuilders , waist and joints the smaller the better ,I hope this helps.
well, yeah, but also having wide clavicles, that's the most important part. a lot of guys with small joints and small waist also have short clavicles which ruins everything.
arnold didn't really have a small waist, it was very wide, but his clavicles were just so wide that it gave the illusion of a tiny waist.
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Relative to who he was competing with, which was smaller lighter guys. his claimed waist measurement at his best was 34" ( which Jay claims LMFAO ) and you can believe it
Here is his waist dead on and it's relatively wide but small and his back width give him a great v-taper even with the ' wide ' waist and from the side it was tiny
Joe has a woody in that pic with Arnold :D
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Serge is really owning Arnold badly in that pic above
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8)
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haney said arnold would be the only one who could beat him
Was this before or after 91?
Because if Haney competed after 92---not only Dorian would have beaten him, Flex, Kev, Nasser, Shawn, and possibly even Paul Dillet. Haney's legs and arms were too small...awesome chest, small waist...his taper reminds me of a bigger Brian Buchanan.
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Arnold really was all illusion. From the twisting bicep shots to hide the child bearing hips, the little known trip to Mexico for the calf implants (experimental procedure in the 70's), The gag order placed on the entirety the Golds Venice era regarding any mention of Arnold's hairpiece (Inevitably Rory Leidelmeyer spilled the beans, claiming Arnold's Wig became entangled in the cable crossover machine during an unpublished photo shoot)
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Was this before or after 91?
Because if Haney competed after 92---not only Dorian would have beaten him, Flex, Kev, Nasser, Shawn, and possibly even Paul Dillet. Haney's legs and arms were too small...awesome chest, small waist...his taper reminds me of a bigger Brian Buchanan.
Dorian , Kev and Flex yes , NO WAY in hell Shawn , Dillet or Nasser would beat Haney 91
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Best implants ever then, especially for a mexican experimental procedure
How do you gag a whole gym
Lol
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Dorian , Kev and Flex yes , NO WAY in hell Shawn , Dillet or Nasser would beat Haney 91
credit to yates mro's 2-3 out of the shoot he has kev then flex as his runnerups.
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Bitches ain't know about the vacuum >:(
ronnie's vacuum
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(http://www.bestvacuum.com/images/numatic-charles.jpg)
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Was this before or after 91?
Because if Haney competed after 92---not only Dorian would have beaten him, Flex, Kev, Nasser, Shawn, and possibly even Paul Dillet. Haney's legs and arms were too small...awesome chest, small waist...his taper reminds me of a bigger Brian Buchanan.
1991 Mr O interview backstage at the show
the only guys able to beat haney in sam "drug era": Arnold, Yates and maybe coleman without the gyno in his very best condition and a stomach not more bloated than 1999
your comparison of haney and buchanan makes me feel you don t have a clue about bodybuilding, as well as claiming all drug bodybuilders like nasser flex or dillet could play with the top of the top
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1991 Mr O interview backstage at the show
the only guys able to beat haney in sam "drug era": Arnold, Yates and maybe coleman without the gyno in his very best condition and a stomach not more bloated than 1999
your comparison of haney and buchanan makes me feel you don t have a clue about bodybuilding, as well as claiming all drug bodybuilders like nasser flex or dillet could play with the top of the top
Ronnie, Dorian, Flex, Kevin, Chris Cormier, would have steamrolled past Haney...Haney would have to get his legs bigger, his arms bigger, better back detail, and better conditioning...
Closeline, I said Haney's Taper--look at his taper, it's very reminscent of a larger version of Brian Buchanan...you need to look at them, look at the taper, furthermore, all bbers are all drugs...look at what happened to Haney at the "drug tested" Mr. O.
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never compare haney s body to buchanon s !
they have nothing more in common than being negros
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never compare haney s body to buchanon s !
Rule#43 in schmoe manual!
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Rule#43 in schmoe manual!
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43.1
to be exact
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never compare haney s body to buchanon s !
they have nothing more in common than being negros
Then you know very little of bodybuilding, and of perspective, in general...
It's like saying that a Jaguar has little in common with the Lion or Tiger, and more in common with the leopard---due to it's coat, when in fact, it's DNA would show otherwise...
Haney had a huge chest, but an insane taper, I'd say better than Coleman's. This taper was of course not as dramatic as Buchanan, but it was "similar"...also, if you ever noticed, guys with insane tapers, tend to grow guts when they go over a certain weight. For Flex it was 230s-240, for Ronnie Coleman it was around 260, for Melvin it was 240-250.
This is one reason that has led me to believe that Haney couldn't have beaten Ronnie or Kevin...because Haney would have had to play catch up and add weight---and he was already lagging in legs and arms.
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yes, your pics show the truth
smaller is not better
the optimum is like this
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Then you know very little of bodybuilding, and of perspective, in general...
It's like saying that a Jaguar has little in common with the Lion or Tiger, and more in common with the leopard---due to it's coat, when in fact, it's DNA would show otherwise...
Haney had a huge chest, but an insane taper, I'd say better than Coleman's. This taper was of course not as dramatic as Buchanan, but it was "similar"...also, if you ever noticed, guys with insane tapers, tend to grow guts when they go over a certain weight. For Flex it was 230s-240, for Ronnie Coleman it was around 260, for Melvin it was 240-250.
This is one reason that has led me to believe that Haney couldn't have beaten Ronnie or Kevin...because Haney would have had to play catch up and add weight---and he was already lagging in legs and arms.
LOL
as i said before, you have no clue
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yes, your pics show the truth
smaller is not better
the optimum is like this
Hahah, I bet your waist is 38''
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LOL
as i said before, you have no clue
I give examples, you make statements---
of course, on here we let the dunces believe they know what they are talking about.
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I'd give anything to have a "hot bod" like that (no homo/jutsunami)
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Thanks Arnie. Those are some of the ony pics of Arnold that I've never seen before. They look around 73 or 74.
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looks awesome, appears like he's strolled down the local boozer topless and bashed out a few poses.
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Damn Arnold1947 those are really extra rare Arnold at hs peak shots.... (The kind you dont see in any magazine)
A lot of Arnolds fans will go crazy for those pix thanks for posting.
WOOOSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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Damn Arnold1947 those are really extra rare Arnold at hs peak shots.... (The kind you dont see in any magazine)
A lot of Arnolds fans will go crazy for those pix thanks for posting.
WOOOSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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Arnold had that very rare characteristic of looking
extremely massive and powerful but also extremely aesthetic(flow) at the same
time. He may have had this trait more than any other
bodybuilder in history.
Kevin Levrone is another that had this trait that few did.
Wheeler was too light in the torso to have that massive
powerful look. Dorian and Ronnie didn't have the aesthetics and flow.
All these are from his 1973 version - my personal
favorite year. He was a bit more massive in 1974
but he was his most ripped and aesthetic in 1973
with close to the same mass as 1974.
Check out how deep his quads are separated.
Something you see less and less of now days with
the overgrown quads.
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perfection right there.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=409286.0;attach=455918;image)
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perfection right there.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=409286.0;attach=455918;image)
would not hit , elbows to pointy
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perfection right there.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=409286.0;attach=455918;image)
damn right
4 decades later, and still the standard bearer for many
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would not hit , elbows to pointy
lol
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damn right
4 decades later, and still the standard bearer for many
It cannot get any better.
Bodybuilding = Arnold Schwarzenegger, it was nothing before and nothing after him.
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It cannot get any better.
Bodybuilding = Arnold Schwarzenegger, it was nothing before and nothing after him.
you're forgetting the nasser era
The beautiful man with glasses has devotees around the middle eastern region ready to jihad for his honour
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you're forgetting the nasser era
The beautiful man with glasses has devotees around the middle eastern region ready to jihad for his honour
Nasser is definitely in the top 5 of ugliest BB ever. :-X :-X :-X :-X ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D