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Robby Robinson writing about his bounced check
THE GAME OF BODYBUILDING HAS JOINED THE THUG LIFE INCORP. IN MIAMI I AM ASHAMED BY THE BEHAVIOR OF THE OFFICIALS AND THE DISHONESTY OF THE PROMOTER CONCERNING MY FEE. I WAS GIVEN A WORTHLESS CHECK THE PROMOTER DISREGARDS. THIS IS AFTER THEY DUMP TONY PEARSON WHO HAD BEEN SIGNED TO DO THE EVENT, AND SIGNED ME TO A CONTRACT BEHIND HIS BACK. THAT GOES TO SHOW ALL YOU BODYBUILDERS THAT YOU ARE JUST ...A NUMBER. LEGEND IS THE TITLE THEY GIVE YOU FOR BEING AROUND FOR A WHILE. THEN THEY SELECT YOU INTO THEIR BODYBUILDER HALL OF FAME. FOR WHAT? HONOR YOU FOR TAKING STEROIDS UNTIL YOU CAN NO LONGER FUNCTION. DO THE IFBB HAVE A HEALTH CARE PLAN FOR ALL OF THOSE SELECTED TO THE HALL OF FAME. WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN TO 8 TIME MR O R. COLEMAN,? WHO WILL HELP HIM THROUGH HIS RECOVERY? THE HALL OF FAME? I DON'T THINK SO. RR
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I love the mis-spelling of "Guest Pose" on the the check :).
Guess you Pose for free, Mr. Robinson.......
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i guess you never heard of a certified check or postal money order. no way i take a standard bank check in the bbing industry. inc. don't mean shit in the cult.
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Another day in the life of pro bodybuilding. :-X
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This wouldn't have happened on the Chickster's watch!
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This type of activity is unheard of within professional bodybuilding.
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THE GAME OF BODYBUILDING HAS JOINED THE THUG LIFE INCORP. IN MIAMI I AM ASHAMED BY THE BEHAVIOR OF THE OFFICIALS AND THE DISHONESTY OF THE PROMOTER CONCERNING MY FEE. I WAS GIVEN A WORTHLESS CHECK THE PROMOTER DISREGARDS. THIS IS AFTER THEY DUMP TONY PEARSON WHO HAD BEEN SIGNED TO DO THE EVENT, AND SIGNED ME TO A CONTRACT BEHIND HIS BACK. THAT GOES TO SHOW ALL YOU BODYBUILDERS THAT YOU ARE JUST ...A NUMBER. LEGEND IS THE TITLE THEY GIVE YOU FOR BEING AROUND FOR A WHILE. THEN THEY SELECT YOU INTO THEIR BODYBUILDER HALL OF FAME. FOR WHAT? HONOR YOU FOR TAKING STEROIDS UNTIL YOU CAN NO LONGER FUNCTION. DO THE IFBB HAVE A HEALTH CARE PLAN FOR ALL OF THOSE SELECTED TO THE HALL OF FAME. WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN TO 8 TIME MR O R. COLEMAN,? WHO WILL HELP HIM THROUGH HIS RECOVERY? THE HALL OF FAME? I DON'T THINK SO. RR
Wait.... lets get the facts straight Robby. The IFBB was responsible for the checks that were made for the PRIZE MONEY. $220,000 of it. I am very sure that all prize money check was paid, and all is good there.
The check that you got is from the promoter for a guest posing fee. Your beef is with the promoter of the event, not the IFBB. Get the story correct.
That said, it is not cool for the promoter to bounce the checks or not pay the guest posers that they contracted with.
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I hope that steroid bitch burns in hell. Long Live Robby !
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Sad stuff! :(
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Honesty 101.......
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Wow
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That right there could have been 20 kits of kami kigs. Look at the bright side Robbie. You didn't get scammed twice.
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Robby is a classy guy, who has devoted his entire life to this sport.
Sweat, blood and tears, all in the name of entertaining fans worldwide..
This needs to be taken care of ASAP.
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Maybe its the karma for all those gym bags and wallets Robby stole in the 80's
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Maybe its the karma for all those gym bags and wallets Robby stole in the 80's
Source ?????!!!
Robbie gettin' screwed over is bullshit. Robbie makes some valid points in his post regarding " Legends ", btw.
What a sad state of affairs ...
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If there someone worthy of the legend moniker, its robby robinson
This guy almost won the olympia once
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Maybe its the karma for all those gym bags and wallets Robby stole in the 80's
I heard this yrs back on Shawn Ray's board. It's not like bbing pays, so dude had to hustle up one way or another. Better to steal your stuff than get banged in the a$$ by a schmoe.
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If there someone worthy of the legend moniker, its robby robinson
This guy almost won the olympia once
Technically speaking he did win it twice,he won the over 200lb class in 77 and 78 but got beat by zane for the overall.
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Wait.... lets get the facts straight Robby. The IFBB was responsible for the checks that were made for the PRIZE MONEY. $220,000 of it. I am very sure that all prize money check was paid, and all is good there.
The check that you got is from the promoter for a guest posing fee. Your beef is with the promoter of the event, not the IFBB. Get the story correct.
That said, it is not cool for the promoter to bounce the checks or not pay the guest posers that they contracted with.
Ron - Are bodybuilders supposed to know that the IFBB's sanction for an event does not apply to them unless they are competing in the show?
I would bet that this was not outlined in his posing contract agreement. *raised eyebrow*
That said, a bounced check is not that big a deal, unless the issuer subsequently refuses to pay. 30 days is more than ample time to make good on a banking mistake.
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The promoter gave $220k to the IFBB for prize money, but bounced a $2500 check? Looks like this show is a one and done, as many had suspected.
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Technically speaking he did win it twice,he won the over 200lb class in 77 and 78 but got beat by zane for the overall.
As much as I'm a zane fan, apparently it couldve gone either way in '77
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I heard this yrs back on Shawn Ray's board. It's not like bbing pays, so dude had to hustle up one way or another. Better to steal your stuff than get banged in the a$$ by a schmoe.
Was this rumour started by shawn ray, or just someone wanting to tarnish robbys name without foundation?
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The promoter gave $220k to the IFBB for prize money, but bounced a $2500 check? Looks like this show is a one and done, as many had suspected.
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you really think so? i was thinking the promoter was willing to drop another $100k in dexter's pocket for nothing. whoever promoted that show lost their ass off? i guess you can shine a different light on it, ron. ::)
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Wait.... lets get the facts straight Robby. The IFBB was responsible for the checks that were made for the PRIZE MONEY. $220,000 of it. I am very sure that all prize money check was paid, and all is good there.
The check that you got is from the promoter for a guest posing fee. Your beef is with the promoter of the event, not the IFBB. Get the story correct.
That said, it is not cool for the promoter to bounce the checks or not pay the guest posers that they contracted with.
I don't see Robby blaming the IFBB for the check boucing.
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Robby is a classy guy, who has devoted his entire life to this sport.
Sweat, blood and tears, all in the name of entertaining fans worldwide..
This needs to be taken care of ASAP.
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_1vydVJuHd8s/SuzoYwhI66I/AAAAAAAAA5M/6gW7-aAJQkE/s400/6.+RobbyYorks.jpg)
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(http://www.robbyrobinson.net/images/robby_cutout_chinpose.png)
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Robby spent all his time in the gym definitely not is school.
The way this guy represents himself in writing its no wonder that the promoters rolled him. They probably figured Robby does not know the difference between the letter A and the letter B. Robby ought to get with god of homos for some group English writing classes.
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Was this rumour started by shawn ray, or just someone wanting to tarnish robbys name without foundation?
I don't think so, many guys around Gold's in the 80's, early 90's swore it was true. It became a a joke like "Uh-oh, Robby's around hide yer shit". It even made it into the gossip pages of a magazine, but they didn't name names.
So who knows.
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Looks like bodybuilding promotions is taking a page from MMA promoters.
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Looks like bodybuilding promotions is taking a page from MMA promoters.
You can't just make this statement without a little history to back it.
Speak on this..
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Jarka tells me Robby was paid in full through PayPal
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Robby Robinson writing about his bounced check
THE GAME OF BODYBUILDING HAS JOINED THE THUG LIFE INCORP. IN MIAMI I AM ASHAMED BY THE BEHAVIOR OF THE OFFICIALS AND THE DISHONESTY OF THE PROMOTER CONCERNING MY FEE. I WAS GIVEN A WORTHLESS CHECK THE PROMOTER DISREGARDS. THIS IS AFTER THEY DUMP TONY PEARSON WHO HAD BEEN SIGNED TO DO THE EVENT, AND SIGNED ME TO A CONTRACT BEHIND HIS BACK. THAT GOES TO SHOW ALL YOU BODYBUILDERS THAT YOU ARE JUST ...A NUMBER. LEGEND IS THE TITLE THEY GIVE YOU FOR BEING AROUND FOR A WHILE. THEN THEY SELECT YOU INTO THEIR BODYBUILDER HALL OF FAME. FOR WHAT? HONOR YOU FOR TAKING STEROIDS UNTIL YOU CAN NO LONGER FUNCTION. DO THE IFBB HAVE A HEALTH CARE PLAN FOR ALL OF THOSE SELECTED TO THE HALL OF FAME. WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN TO 8 TIME MR O R. COLEMAN,? WHO WILL HELP HIM THROUGH HIS RECOVERY? THE HALL OF FAME? I DON'T THINK SO. RR
Not nice to do this to a senior citizen like RR.... :(
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the man gotta eat. a bounced check is unacceptable
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You can't just make this statement without a little history to back it.
Speak on this..
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Not referring to the UFC but smaller promotions. It happens all the time.
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Ok, Jarka's story is that Robby was paid through PayPal but Robby returned the payment because he wanted to be paid in another way. She is just waiting for him to call her now and she will send him a check.
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Ok, Jarka's story is that Robby was paid through PayPal but Robby returned the payment because he wanted to be paid in another way. She is just waiting for him to call her now and she will send him a check.
Yes, that is what I am hearing too ... from another email on the subject
"Nowhere on that Check does it say, "NSF or Insufficient Funds?" Jarka said, Robby never event tried to Cash the Check? He Sent it BACK and demanded she pay a "Third Party" via Pay Pal, she refused to do that since "HE" was the Guest Poser. The Check was Good at the time she gave it to him."
So wait a minute - he got the check and then he didnt want to cash it and sent it back???? Because he wanted it via PayPal? Seriously?
If Robbie Robinson is putting this out on this show, and it turns out HE SENT THE CHECK BACK and did not cash it, then that is not cool.
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Maybe Robbie was a bit confused, due to his advancing age.... :-\
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oh shit, then Robby is fowl?.......come on Robby, say it aint so?.......you should know better than that......there is two fucking side to every story....we may have jumped to conclusion too soon
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Yes, that is what I am hearing too ... from another email on the subject
"Nowhere on that Check does it say, "NSF or Insufficient Funds?" Jarka said, Robby never event tried to Cash the Check? He Sent it BACK and demanded she pay a "Third Party" via Pay Pal, she refused to do that since "HE" was the Guest Poser. The Check was Good at the time she gave it to him."
So wait a minute - he got the check and then he didnt want to cash it and sent it back???? Because he wanted it via PayPal? Seriously?
If Robbie Robinson is putting out bull out on this show and attacking people, and it turns out HE SENT THE CHECK BACK, then that is not cool.
Who would have thought Robby would be unwilling to pay the IRS his fare share.
THE BEEF
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Technically speaking he did win it twice,he won the over 200lb class in 77 and 78 but got beat by zane for the overall.
He also won the Masters Olympia over 40 once, as well as the Over-50 once, and placed top 5 Masters a few more times getting 2nd. once.
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Who would have thought Robby would be unwilling to pay the IRS his fare share.
THE BEEF
You hit the nail right on the head. I didn't want to say anything, but this is exactly what is going on here.
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Yes, that is what I am hearing too ... from another email on the subject
"Nowhere on that Check does it say, "NSF or Insufficient Funds?" Jarka said, Robby never event tried to Cash the Check? He Sent it BACK and demanded she pay a "Third Party" via Pay Pal, she refused to do that since "HE" was the Guest Poser. The Check was Good at the time she gave it to him."
So wait a minute - he got the check and then he didnt want to cash it and sent it back???? Because he wanted it via PayPal? Seriously?
If Robbie Robinson is putting out bull out on this show and attacking people, and it turns out HE SENT THE CHECK BACK, then that is not cool.
Now THAT is weird.
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Who would have thought Robby would be unwilling to pay the IRS his fare share.
THE BEEF
Who said anything about the IRS ?
And it was the PayPal payment that was returned NOT the check. The check was never processed, he never deposited it into his bank account.
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Who said anything about the IRS ?
And it was the PayPal payment that was returned NOT the check. The check was never processed, he never deposited it into his bank account.
See, Robbie lied. I just got proof that Jarka (the promoter) did send the PayPal to Robby Robinson. It was Robby that refused the PayPal money because he wanted it in another name. So before we start attacking the promoter and the IFBB in terms of money, the story needs to be straight.
Robbie, shame on you for doing that, and creating a phanthom problem.
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See, Robbie lied. I just got proof that Jarka (the promoter) did send the PayPal to Robby Robinson. It was Robby that refused the PayPal money because he wanted it in another name. So before we start attacking the promoter and the IFBB in terms of money, the story needs to be straight.
Robbie, shame on you for doing that, and creating a phanthom problem.
That's exactly what happened. Robbie did so in order to not have to report this income to the IRS.
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Robby, you're loosing credibilty here. some people thought you were always a Rat, and this situation here is proving them right
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shame on Robbie? For what? He is just another illiterate scamming guy with a body that others will pay to see.....no news here just par for the course.
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That's exactly what happened. Robbie did so in order to not have to report this income to the IRS.
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So. The big come-back, with all the attendant videos and hype...all so he wouldn't have to pay, what, a few hundred bucks in taxes!? Shrewd.
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Robbie probably has never filed taxes and doesn't want to start now. I wonder if Charles Glass files, he could be swimming in cash with his business and not report anything.
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Robby everyone else pays taxes. Get over yourself. You can call yourself a legend; but if you are so desperate to save a few hundred bucks on taxes; while blaming your employer, then you are a bridge burning fool. A legendary idiot. You tried to decieve your fans into thinking that you were a victim!
Who was going to cash the check for you? Some old broad that you likewise decieved into paying the tax for you?
PS: nobody put a gun to your head and made you take steroids for 40 years. Take responsibility for your foolish decisions. Why did you drag Ronnie Coleman's name into this??
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Who said anything about the IRS ?
And it was the PayPal payment that was returned NOT the check. The check was never processed, he never deposited it into his bank account.
Hey champ/dickweed, why the fuck does he want a 3rd part payout? He is avoiding something and no matter what it is, a bankruptcy, child support, outstanding fines, a garnishment of wages ( shit no, Robby don't work ) or keeping his income down so it does not interfear with a government check ( old age, welfare etc.,) the IRS will not be able to track the income. PERIOD!
THE BEEF
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I WAS GIVEN A WORTHLESS CHECK THE PROMOTER DISREGARDS.
WTF does that even mean?
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You are assuming ::)
Hey champ/dickweed, why the fuck does he want a 3rd part payout? He is avoiding something and no matter what it is, a bankruptcy, child support, outstanding fines, a garnishment of wages ( shit no, Robby don't work ) or keeping his income down so it does not interfear with a government check ( old age, welfare etc.,) the IRS will not be able to track the income. PERIOD!
THE BEEF
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can you say, low life?
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Maybe he's just one of the 99%?
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he's trying to hide his money for some reason. the thing is by posting this everyone now knows :-\
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This is why bodybuilders never deserve the benefit of the doubt.
As to 'hiding income', if we eliminated the commie income tax and switched to a consumption tax, that entire scam would vanish.
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Robby Robinson is a legend of the sport,with a great physique in his day but anyone who has ever spent anytime in Venice over the years when Robby trained there will tell you he is a free loading grub who doesnt pay his bills.
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How much money did this broad lose on this show must have been epic...
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Robby Robinson is a legend of the sport,with a great physique in his day but anyone who has ever spent anytime in Venice over the years when Robby trained there will tell you he is a free loading grub who doesnt pay his bills.
He has been a bodybuilding bum since the early 70's, ponced off ho's and schmoes alike
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anyone who has ever spent anytime in Venice over the years when Robby trained there will tell you he is a free loading grub who doesnt pay his bills.
Well, he's got a rep to maintain, then
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Robby Robinson, just another welfare parasite.
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How much money did this broad lose on this show must have been epic...
i'd only do bikini and amateurs. the total prize money for bikini is something like 7-8k. you could do shows for the next 20 yrs for the amt of money she fucked off. dex's 100k check would have bounced if it was me. no way in hell i'd eat that kind of money on bbing. guest posing?
oksana is worth 2k
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Robby Robinson writing about his bounced check
THE GAME OF BODYBUILDING HAS JOINED THE THUG LIFE INCORP. IN MIAMI I AM ASHAMED BY THE BEHAVIOR OF THE OFFICIALS AND THE DISHONESTY OF THE PROMOTER CONCERNING MY FEE. I WAS GIVEN A WORTHLESS CHECK THE PROMOTER DISREGARDS. THIS IS AFTER THEY DUMP TONY PEARSON WHO HAD BEEN SIGNED TO DO THE EVENT, AND SIGNED ME TO A CONTRACT BEHIND HIS BACK. THAT GOES TO SHOW ALL YOU BODYBUILDERS THAT YOU ARE JUST ...A NUMBER. LEGEND IS THE TITLE THEY GIVE YOU FOR BEING AROUND FOR A WHILE. THEN THEY SELECT YOU INTO THEIR BODYBUILDER HALL OF FAME. FOR WHAT? HONOR YOU FOR TAKING STEROIDS UNTIL YOU CAN NO LONGER FUNCTION. DO THE IFBB HAVE A HEALTH CARE PLAN FOR ALL OF THOSE SELECTED TO THE HALL OF FAME. WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN TO 8 TIME MR O R. COLEMAN,? WHO WILL HELP HIM THROUGH HIS RECOVERY? THE HALL OF FAME? I DON'T THINK SO. RR
He does have a point regarding Ronnie's health,at 47 Big Ron is falling apart ...who's taking care of him? by the time he turns 50 (soon) he will be in alot of $$$$$ medical bills.
WOOOSSSSHHHHHHHHHH
WOOOSSSSHHHHHHHHHHH
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He does have a point regarding Ronnie's health,at 47 Big Ron is falling apart ...who's taking care of him? by the time he turns 50 (soon) he will be in alot of $$$$$ medical bills.
WOOOSSSSHHHHHHHHHH
WOOOSSSSHHHHHHHHHHH
Robby was introducing a new, unrelated topic that had NOTHING to do with his tax dodging. He was trying to say: "I'm a victim.... just like Ronnie!"
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10k worth of gear for $2500.
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He does have a point regarding Ronnie's health,at 47 Big Ron is falling apart ...who's taking care of him? by the time he turns 50 (soon) he will be in alot of $$$$$ medical bills.
WOOOSSSSHHHHHHHHHH
WOOOSSSSHHHHHHHHHHH
whose fault it is but his? lol. Retards. The whole world should be held accountable for these sorry asses spending their whole life injecting steroids, lifting weights, not getting an education, a career, a family, and only surviving prostituting themselves to old men and parasiting low life women with a low self esteem? Who s the retard for destroying his body , and then having tons of medical bills to pay once you reach the 50s that will ruin the shity small amount of money you might have made selling your muscles ass for a living for decades?
Does "robbie robinson" really think anyone should "take care of r coleman" ? Should governments create special retirement programs for them? "pro bodybuilders" only interest gay schmoes who as soon as they get too old forget about them to focus on younger meat.
Proof you can be past your 50 and be as mature as a 14 y/o.
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Robby is a lifetime drug user with large gaps in his CV
but he's on old man with muscles so he's a respected legend . . . ?
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whose fault it is but his? lol. Retards. The whole world should be held accountable for these sorry asses spending their whole life injecting steroids, lifting weights, not getting an education, a career, a family, and only surviving prostituting themselves to old men and parasiting low life women with a low self esteem? Who s the retard for destroying his body , and then having tons of medical bills to pay once you reach the 50s that will ruin the shity small amount of money you might have made selling your muscles ass for a living for decades?
Does "robbie robinson" really think anyone should "take care of r coleman" ? Should governments create special retirement programs for them? "pro bodybuilders" only interest gay schmoes who as soon as they get too old forget about them to focus on younger meat.
Proof you can be past your 50 and be as mature as a 14 y/o.
BRUTAL TRUTH!!!
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One of the great things about g4p is that you never have to pay taxes because you receive your money cash in hand.
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One of the great things about g4p is that you never have to pay taxes because you receive your money cash in hand.
But you will pay at the pearly gates to st peter......
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This is why bodybuilders never deserve the benefit of the doubt.
As to 'hiding income', if we eliminated the commie income tax and switched to a consumption tax, that entire scam would vanish.
Tre
I am afraid to say that based solely on the above statement you are either very well-off and dont give a shit about other people or very stupid.
Since the former seems unlikely I have to go with the latter
wake up u fool
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whose fault it is but his? lol. Retards. The whole world should be held accountable for these sorry asses spending their whole life injecting steroids, lifting weights, not getting an education, a career, a family, and only surviving prostituting themselves to old men and parasiting low life women with a low self esteem? ? Should governments create special retirement programs for them? "pro bodybuilders" only interest gay schmoes who as soon as they get too old forget about them to focus on younger meat.
Proof you can be past your 50 and be as mature as a 14 y/o.
Spot on...that particular part got me laughing.
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OK lets try to look at this thing point by point since it is obvious that there is a lot being hidden under the rug, and the speed and violence with which Ron showed up here to discredit RR indicate that this is a very touchy subject with a lot of insiders
So as far as I can ascertain we have the following factoids:
1-RR posting a scan of a check from the promoter which he says bounced
2-Ron running out of the toilet with his pants on his hands to douse the flames 15 minutes later saying it is not the IFBB's fault
3-Ron coming back later on to proclaim that RR was to blame as he refused to be payed this way implying this was due to tax dodging reasons
Then we have all the noise created by all kinds of idiots but that amounts to nothing new.
From where I stand there is no reason to believe Ron's word above that of RR. I trust neither of them when it comes to money and bbing
Most likely the real story is actually untold, and it is not the RR version or the Ron/Mainstream BB Media version- thus all the guys on here ripping on deadbeat bbers should get a reality check and remember that all of these (RR, Ron, IFBB people that tell Ron what to post) are all long time players in a very dirty game.
Instead the interesting points are
1-where did the money for this show come from when it was clearly going to be a money looser. And no there are no moronic jarkas roving the world throwing good money away unless there is a good reason for it (tax dodgers concerned: look here please- not RR's measly $$s)
2-how many little and big piggies feasted on the banquet ( from the IFBB fees to sean ray's 'most improved bber' prize and his 'consulting' fees)
3-who the fuck called ron while he was doing god knows what and instructed him to post within 15 minutes of RRs original post and why were they so scared
lets forget about the small fry and concentrate on the hogs, please
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Tre
I am afraid to say that based solely on the above statement you are either very well-off and dont give a shit about other people or very stupid.
Since the former seems unlikely I have to go with the latter
wake up u fool
The money I *work* for is not 'ours'. You're not entitled to any of it 'just because'. However, interest I earn on my investments/savings does belong to 'us'. You're entitled to a reasonable share of that, because without your contribution to the GDP, my liquid holdings would be essentially worthless.
During the course of daily life and business, I will have to make purchases. The local/state/federal governments should collect a reasonable tax on every commercial purchase I make. Private sales requiring a transfer of ownership record (autos, real property, etc) would also be taxed, though not at the same rate of the original purchase of that item. Subsequent sales would be at the same rate, but at a presumably lower sale price on most items.
The taxes collected on purchases are to be used for the common good.
With this method of taxation, 'tax evasion' would pretty much cease to exist. IRS code enforcement would remain to make sure that businesses and financial institutions properly tracked taxable sales and earnings/losses.
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The money I *work* for is not 'ours'. You're not entitled to any of it 'just because'. However, interest I earn on my investments/savings does belong to 'us'. You're entitled to a reasonable share of that, because without your contribution to the GDP, my liquid holdings would be essentially worthless.
During the course of daily life and business, I will have to make purchases. The local/state/federal governments should collect a reasonable tax on every commercial purchase I make. Private sales requiring a transfer of ownership record (autos, real property, etc) would also be taxed, though not at the same rate of the original purchase of that item. Subsequent sales would be at the same rate, but at a presumably lower sale price on most items.
The taxes collected on purchases are to be used for the common good.
With this method of taxation, 'tax evasion' would pretty much cease to exist. IRS code enforcement would remain to make sure that businesses and financial institutions properly tracked taxable sales and earnings/losses.
Tre
I dont want to distract from the main point of the thread, so i will keep it short and simple, we can revisit it later.
Consumption taxes as they are defined in the western world overwhelmingly benefit the wealthy for the simple fact that they apply to all goods (from food to survive to a ferrari to joyride) and make no allowances for how much money the buyer has.
Both you and Warren Buffet walk into starbucks and pay the same VAT on an ice latte. The difference is that Warren is a little richer than you.
That is (supposedly) not true when it comes to say income tax. (I say supposedly because Mitty the good Mormon pays 15% tax on 45 million so Christ/Joseph smith knows what is legal- and worse acceptable- in the US anymore) If you are a flat tax person then fine, my argument goes back to the "you are either rich and selfish or a fool"
In any case I would hope people here focus more on the stink surrounding this masters show, than on tax strategies for now.
PS If i get a Ron/proxy posting on the tax issue- then i will be sure that there is a huge rat on the house :-)
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3-who the fuck called ron while he was doing god knows what and instructed him to post within 15 minutes of RRs original post and why were they so scared
lets forget about the small fry and concentrate on the hogs, please
I think youre the one making a storm out of a glass of water..... Mr.Robinson is a complicated individual, let's leave it at that.
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I think youre the one making a storm out of a glass of water..... Mr.Robinson is a complicated individual, let's leave it at that.
hipo, you know that you operate under my suspicion
your degenerate love-hate relationship with female bbers is dark cloud over our wholesome community,
give wes your IPenis address so that we can trace you, and save your soul -with coach's help as spiritual adviser in all things holy
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Robby everyone else pays taxes. Get over yourself. You can call yourself a legend; but if you are so desperate to save a few hundred bucks on taxes; while blaming your employer, then you are a bridge burning fool. A legendary idiot. You tried to decieve your fans into thinking that you were a victim!
Who was going to cash the check for you? Some old broad that you likewise decieved into paying the tax for you?
PS: nobody put a gun to your head and made you take steroids for 40 years. Take responsibility for your foolish decisions. Why did you drag Ronnie Coleman's name into this??
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sad truth
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You are worse than Robby, demanding free hotel and transport to guest pose despite that your physique is shit and you have no name in bodybuilding and your biggest achievement was placing 3rd in Mr Asia in 1986 ::)
Who wants to see you guest pose when the competitors in the show are in 100 times better shape than you, guest poser are either big names or high high ranking competitors with out of the world physique, not some old fool who spends his time on the internet trolling with people half his age ::) and poses in a stars and stripes thong ::)
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You are worse than Robby, demanding free hotel and transport to guest pose despite that your physique is shit and you have no name in bodybuilding and your biggest achievement was placing 3rd in Mr Asia in 1986 ::)
Who wants to see you guest pose when the competitors in the show are in 100 times better shape than you, guest poser are either big names or high high ranking competitors with out of the world physique, not some old fool who spends his time on the internet trolling with people half his age ::) and poses in a stars and stripes thong ::)
haha, good post
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You are worse than Robby, demanding free hotel and transport to guest pose despite that your physique is shit and you have no name in bodybuilding and your biggest achievement was placing 3rd in Mr Asia in 1986 ::)
Who wants to see you guest pose when the competitors in the show are in 100 times better shape than you, guest poser are either big names or high high ranking competitors with out of the world physique, not some old fool who spends his time on the internet trolling with people half his age ::) and poses in a stars and stripes thong ::)
so whats your problem?
untill you reach 59,and post your pics. ;)
don't act like a school kid ;D
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haha, good post
Its true, he is another bodybuilding bum parasite like Robby, only difference is that Robby is a famous in the bodybuilding world and admired for his physique where as Musclecenter is only famous in his own mind, he actually thinks people want to see him pose in the stars and stripes thong, then if he gets asked why he dont look as good as the competitors in the show he says ''they are all on steroids, im natural'' so this fool slags off other bodybuilders and then expects them to somehow respect him or buy is lie ridden book ::)
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so whats your problem?
untill you reach 59,and post your pics. ;)
don't act like a school kid ;D
you are the problem, he is the solution
truth really hurts, doesn't it?
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so whats your problem?
untill you reach 59,and post your pics. ;)
don't act like a school kid ;D
You are the retard, you are a 59 year old fool who does nothing all day but troll the forums and post videos of steroided musclemen pumping and sweating, you argue with teenagers and people half your age, that is acting like a school kid ::)
You have no pride, what kind of dog are you to pose in stars and stripes thong, no pride in being Taiwanese ::)
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Its true, he is another bodybuilding bum parasite like Robby, only difference is that Robby is a famous in the bodybuilding world and admired for his physique where as Musclecenter is only famous in his own mind, he actually thinks people want to see him pose in the stars and stripes thong, then if he gets asked why he dont look as good as the competitors in the show he says ''they are all on steroids, im natural'' so this fool slags off other bodybuilders and then expects them to somehow respect him or buy is lie ridden book ::)
hahaha, only those mind-twisted japs would like to invite liar musclecenter to guest pose
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How much money did this broad lose on this show must have been epic...
300K
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hahaha, only those mind-twisted japs would like to invite liar musclecenter to guest pose
He only guest poses at one non fed show in Japan which has other filth liars like Faildo and Moody as guest posers ::)
You would think someone who has been around bodybuilding as long as he has would not be so deluded, he is still bitter that Prem Chad beat him at Mr Asia and went on to be a pro, ''because he was a steroid user''
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You are the retard, you are a 59 year old fool who does nothing all day but troll the forums and post videos of steroided musclemen pumping and sweating, you argue with teenagers and people half your age, that is acting like a school kid ::)
You have no pride, what kind of dog are you to pose in stars and stripes thong, no pride in being Taiwanese ::)
i don't want to start internet fighting with you again.
but you so mad,maybe your placement behind me at 1986 Men's Asia. ;)
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i don't want to start internet fighting with you again.
but you so mad,maybe your placement behind me at 1986 Men's Asia. ;)
Sorry homo, not mad, just dont like how you free load of good hearted people in the BB world
No sorry you never placed above me
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1-RR posting a scan of a check from the promoter which he says bounced, 2-Ron running out of the toilet with his pants on his hands to douse the flames 15 minutes later saying it is not the IFBB's fault, 3-Ron coming back later on to proclaim that RR was to blame as he refused to be payed this way implying this was due to tax dodging reasons. From where I stand there is no reason to believe Ron's word above that of RR. I trust neither of them when it comes to money and bbing
Slate, cool discussion and I will answer the questions. First, I have nothing against Robbie Robinson at all, he was a great bodybuilder. I do have a problem with him saying something that is not true, and blaming the IFBB. Obviously, they are not involved with 'guest' posing fees, simple point. Second, after a took a shit playing 15 minutes of Angry Birds on the toilet, I checked it out and posted saying it isnt 'cool' that the promoter would do this. Not a few hours later, I got an email (no calls) from the promoter with the Paypal Transaction sent on Dec 10th with the Trans Id#, email where it went and more info. Sent Dec 10th. Done deal. Paid. Once it was refused that way and reversed (via Paypal), the check was sent. It wasnt cashed because RR wanted another name on it. Normally, I dont care. BUT, once it was posted with a check and a statement like that, come on now. Honestly, it wasnt fair to the promoter. So yes, you dont need to take my word on it. But I have the proof. I have been accused of many things, and trying to hurt the promoter like that... well. It should of been kept private.
1-where did the money for this show come from when it was clearly going to be a money loser. And no there are no moronic jarkas roving the world throwing good money away unless there is a good reason for it (tax dodgers concerned: look here please- not RR's measly $$s). 2-how many little and big piggies feasted on the banquet ( from the IFBB fees to sean ray's 'most improved bber' prize and his 'consulting' fees). 3-who the fuck called ron while he was doing god knows what and instructed him to post within 15 minutes of RRs original post and why were they so scared
Your question on where the money came is a good one. I have heard many instances, from investments, to book earnings, to people who love the sport and wanted to see the legends on stage one more time. For you, $400,000 is a lot of money. For someone else, it is a price of a car. Ah, the banquet. Yes, they feasted, and why not. Someone giving you free food after a contest, why not. Has it been done before. Quite a few times. This one was just more lavish. Can't blame them. As for calling me, no one called me. You may not beleive me, but I give you my words on my kids. It just wasnt fair. Same if it was true, then I would be upset at the promoter. You may think it is baised one way, but it isnt. As for Shawn Ray's fees, yes, it is a lot, same with some of the guest posing fees, and more. But this was for over a years worth on 'consulting' on this project, and whereas did not come as it was envisioned, and perhaps, we may not see the light of this again, it still was a cool evening (which I was invited to, but did not go, because of family commitments).
You are worse than Robby, demanding free hotel and transport to guest pose despite that your physique is shit and you have no name in bodybuilding and your biggest achievement was placing 3rd in Mr Asia in 1986
You may not like Musclecenter''s or someone else physique, but in every country, in many areas, there can be a demand for someone, whereas consulting, guest posing or giving out seminars. Free hotel, free transport, per dium in food, expenses and fees are ways of being compensated. The best part is that in a free economy, someone can choose to do it or not, to hire the guest poser or to go to an event. Can't blame anyone for that. If someone gives JWoww $20,000 to come to the Arnold for a weekend, then anything can happen. Respect.
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i don't want to start internet fighting with you again.
but you so mad,maybe your placement behind me at 1986 Men's Asia. ;)
The only reason that you won't fight with schmoe buster is that what he has said is the truth. You can't fight the truth with your lies. On the other hand, your ability in English also does not allow you to fight with the truth.
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Slate, cool discussion and I will answer the questions. First, I have nothing against Robbie Robinson at all, he was a great bodybuilder. I do have a problem with him saying something that is not true, and blaming the IFBB. Obviously, they are not involved with 'guest' posing fees, simple point. Second, after a took a shit playing 15 minutes of Angry Birds on the toilet, I checked it out and posted saying it isnt 'cool' that the promoter would do this. Not a few hours later, I got an email (no calls) from the promoter with the Paypal Transaction sent on Dec 10th with the Trans Id#, email where it went and more info. Sent Dec 10th. Done deal. Paid. Once it was refused that way and reversed (via Paypal), the check was sent. It wasnt cashed because RR wanted another name on it. Normally, I dont care. BUT, once it was posted with a check and a statement like that, come on now. Honestly, it wasnt fair to the promoter. So yes, you dont need to take my word on it. But I have the proof. I have been accused of many things, and trying to hurt the promoter like that... well. It should of been kept private.
Your question on where the money came is a good one. I have heard many instances, from investments, to book earnings, to people who love the sport and wanted to see the legends on stage one more time. For you, $400,000 is a lot of money. For someone else, it is a price of a car. Ah, the banquet. Yes, they feasted, and why not. Someone giving you free food after a contest, why not. Has it been done before. Quite a few times. This one was just more lavish. Can't blame them. As for calling me, no one called me. You may not beleive me, but I give you my words on my kids. It just wasnt fair. Same if it was true, then I would be upset at the promoter. You may think it is baised one way, but it isnt. As for Shawn Ray's fees, yes, it is a lot, same with some of the guest posing fees, and more. But this was for over a years worth on 'consulting' on this project, and whereas did not come as it was envisioned, and perhaps, we may not see the light of this again, it still was a cool evening (which I was invited to, but did not go, because of family commitments).
You may not like Musclecenter''s or someone else physique, but in every country, in many areas, there can be a demand for someone, whereas consulting, guest posing or giving out seminars. Free hotel, free transport, per dium in food, expenses and fees are ways of being compensated. The best part is that in a free economy, someone can choose to do it or not, to hire the guest poser or to go to an event. Can't blame anyone for that. If someone gives JWoww $20,000 to come to the Arnold for a weekend, then anything can happen. Respect.
Ron, do you think musclecenter is natural?
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You are worse than Robby, demanding free hotel and transport to guest pose despite that your physique is shit and you have no name in bodybuilding and your biggest achievement was placing 3rd in Mr Asia in 1986 ::)
Who wants to see you guest pose when the competitors in the show are in 100 times better shape than you, guest poser are either big names or high high ranking competitors with out of the world physique, not some old fool who spends his time on the internet trolling with people half his age ::) and poses in a stars and stripes thong ::)
hahaahahaah, quite the owning there.
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he should have dictated in his contract either pre-pay, cash, or money order.
it's a shaky loophole (IFBB guarantees athlete money, but not posing fees), but hey, ya gotta draw the line somewhere. Maybe IF the athlete is a registered IFBB athlete, then they are afforded that protections too? I mean, you can't have the IFBB worried aobut if the stage guy and milkman are getting paid. But if it's an IFBB pro (not sure if robby is current card), then yeah, they should have escrowed the money just like the athletes to guarantee it.
I've been handed back bounced checks when walking in to cash it - they didn't write/print on it at the bank. They just tell me "the $ isn't there, go talk to whoever wrote it, or wait to see if the funds are deposited and come back".
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;D
(http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/165368_187149394632612_100000126592755_720746_6902289_n.jpg)
I miss those MuscleHedz cartoons...... ;D
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I miss those MuscleHedz cartoons...... ;D
He still publishes new ones every week. Go to his website and register.....
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Slate, cool discussion and I will answer the questions. First, I have nothing against Robbie Robinson at all, he was a great bodybuilder. I do have a problem with him saying something that is not true, and blaming the IFBB. Obviously, they are not involved with 'guest' posing fees, simple point. Second, after a took a shit playing 15 minutes of Angry Birds on the toilet, I checked it out and posted saying it isnt 'cool' that the promoter would do this. Not a few hours later, I got an email (no calls) from the promoter with the Paypal Transaction sent on Dec 10th with the Trans Id#, email where it went and more info. Sent Dec 10th. Done deal. Paid. Once it was refused that way and reversed (via Paypal), the check was sent. It wasnt cashed because RR wanted another name on it. Normally, I dont care. BUT, once it was posted with a check and a statement like that, come on now. Honestly, it wasnt fair to the promoter. So yes, you dont need to take my word on it. But I have the proof. I have been accused of many things, and trying to hurt the promoter like that... well. It should of been kept private.
Your question on where the money came is a good one. I have heard many instances, from investments, to book earnings, to people who love the sport and wanted to see the legends on stage one more time. For you, $400,000 is a lot of money. For someone else, it is a price of a car. Ah, the banquet. Yes, they feasted, and why not. Someone giving you free food after a contest, why not. Has it been done before. Quite a few times. This one was just more lavish. Can't blame them. As for calling me, no one called me. You may not beleive me, but I give you my words on my kids. It just wasnt fair. Same if it was true, then I would be upset at the promoter. You may think it is baised one way, but it isnt. As for Shawn Ray's fees, yes, it is a lot, same with some of the guest posing fees, and more. But this was for over a years worth on 'consulting' on this project, and whereas did not come as it was envisioned, and perhaps, we may not see the light of this again, it still was a cool evening (which I was invited to, but did not go, because of family commitments).
You may not like Musclecenter''s or someone else physique, but in every country, in many areas, there can be a demand for someone, whereas consulting, guest posing or giving out seminars. Free hotel, free transport, per dium in food, expenses and fees are ways of being compensated. The best part is that in a free economy, someone can choose to do it or not, to hire the guest poser or to go to an event. Can't blame anyone for that. If someone gives JWoww $20,000 to come to the Arnold for a weekend, then anything can happen. Respect.
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This is NOT the first time Robby has done this to a promoter.
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Did Robby do g4p?
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Did Robby do g4p?
Well he had ''sponsers'' in Europe for may years, and we aint talking Whey protein ones
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Any update on Robby's check (cash) ?
WOOOOOSHHHHHHHHH