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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Jovo on January 26, 2012, 07:53:48 PM
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You guys realize that even naturals can eat icecream and what not ? and not bother with "post workout shakes" ect ...
As long as it fits into your macros for your goal.. you can eat it lol.. and this is supported BY SCIENCE, i can link to studies ect that support this..
lol your body doesnt recognize protein as something from a farm fed cow lol, it just breaks it down into amino acids and goes to your blood then cells lol... same for carbs and fats ( though you should avoid transfats for health reasons), lol that whole insulin spike shit ? that a load of garbage , protein causes a insulin spike too lol..
so when gh 15 says eat icecream to grow ect.. that because the calories are making you crow, because of HORMONES lol, not a secret food.
all that going catabloic is BULLSHIT too, it is scientifically proven that you dont go catabolic until like 36 HOURS after not eating and more, and thats whow long the whole anabloic window lasta too, not 15 mins LOL!!
use common snse, are you going to go catabloic if you ate a steak the night before and its still being digested, and your blood is still high in amino acids and glucose ?
This is scientifically prove, so who do you trust ? science.. or some really shredded guy who sells whey protein ?( think about agenda here!)
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Sure, naturals can eat ice cream and what not. But you bring up macros, so let's go there for a min. Who is going to tolerate a higher fat and carb intake? A natural or someone on a shit ton of tren and GH?
The natural is going to use up half his allotted calories for the DAY eating a bowl of fucking icecream. The dude on 10iu GH and 100mg tren per day? He better eat a fucking pizza too or he's going to lose a pound!
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Sure, naturals can eat ice cream and what not. But you bring up macros, so let's go there for a min. Who is going to tolerate a higher fat and carb intake? A natural or someone on a shit ton of tren and GH?
The natural is going to use up half his allotted calories for the DAY eating a bowl of fucking icecream. The dude on 10iu GH and 100mg tren per day? He better eat a fucking pizza too or he's going to lose a pound!
lol man i eat 3.5k cals, and i fuking enjoy it, i dont know what your trying to say lol, but ice cream is full of cals and tasty as fuk
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You cant eat like shit if you are natural. Always have to watch your diet like an OCD shizzo
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You cant eat like shit if you are natural. Always have to watch your diet like an OCD shizzo
why do you say this ? where does this stem from ? or do you not understand the concep of fitting food into your daily macros
also what do you regard as shit food and why ?
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That's exactly what I'm trying to say bro. Ice cream is full of cals, and in most instances naturals can't get away with 3500 calories a day unless they are supremely ectomorphic. A lot of teenagers could probably get away with it I guess. Hell my post training meal when I was a teen was a xl papa johns works pizza.
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That's exactly what I'm trying to say bro. Ice cream is full of cals, and in most instances naturals can't get away with 3500 calories a day unless they are supremely ectomorphic. A lot of teenagers could probably get away with it I guess. Hell my post training meal when I was a teen was a xl papa johns works pizza.
ol bro there is a ton of people who have a 3k maintenence.. yea i am 18 now.. but i dont even eat break fast or none of that shit, i train fasted and then wait 2 hours and then eat at lie 2 pm lol..
abnd again im saying as long as it fits into your daily macros, you can eat it lol
also the icecream i am eating ? its only 250 cals per 100 grams lol, I eat 200 a day lol and i cant eat any more
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why do you say this ? where does this stem from ? or do you not understand the concep of fitting food into your daily macros
also what do you regard as shit food and why ?
You know your macro needs change from day to day and week to week right? But as far as the concept of fitting food into your daily macros, I get what you mean. But What I'm saying is that ice cream will eat up a large chunk of said macros(fat and carbs), so that your other "meals" will be affected, ie smaller. If you can truly eat 3500 a day and not get fat it wont affect you as much, but someone else on say about 2500 a day will be hit a lot harder. On gh and tren you can eat ice cream everyday and not worry about it.
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ol bro there is a ton of people who have a 3k maintenence.. yea i am 18 now.. but i dont even eat break fast or none of that shit, i train fasted and then wait 2 hours and then eat at lie 2 pm lol..
abnd again im saying as long as it fits into your daily macros, you can eat it lol
also the icecream i am eating ? its only 250 cals per 100 grams lol, I eat 200 a day lol and i cant eat any more
Well that makes a shitload more sense then! Give it a few years though, LOL. I'm old, I can't eat fucking brocoli without getting fat!
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You know your macro needs change from day to day and week to week right? But as far as the concept of fitting food into your daily macros, I get what you mean. But What I'm saying is that ice cream will eat up a large chunk of said macros(fat and carbs), so that your other "meals" will be affected, ie smaller. If you can truly eat 3500 a day and not get fat it wont affect you as much, but someone else on say about 2500 a day will be hit a lot harder. On gh and tren you can eat ice cream everyday and not worry about it.
why do you say that you need to chance macros from day to day ? where did you read this and decide its a necessity ?
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this is getbig- nobody gives a fuck about 'natural bodybuilding'
hope this helps, 'homo'
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this is getbig- nobody gives a fuck about 'natural bodybuilding'
hope this helps, homo
lol ia gree, no such thing as nautral body building, but can you lift weights for fun and still eat tasty shit and get a good body to make the bitches wet and fit into clothes well ? yea sure
homo
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why do you say that you need to chance macros from day to day ? where did you read this and decide its a necessity ?
Don't take this the wrong way, I'm not trying to be a dick, but seriously it's just common sense. To think that your body needs the same macros/nutrients every day doesn't make sense to me. What I do is play with the macros of each MEAL, and then eat that when I'm hungry. Somedays, say if I don't train or work I may only eat twice. But then on leg day and the day after I might eat six or seven times. My hunger varies and thus so does my diet. I never forcefeed myself, and I never go hungry. Seems to work out.
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You cant eat like shit if you are natural. Always have to watch your diet like an OCD shizzo
QFT
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Don't take this the wrong way, I'm not trying to be a dick, but seriously it's just common sense. To think that your body needs the same macros/nutrients every day doesn't make sense to me. What I do is play with the macros of each MEAL, and then eat that when I'm hungry. Somedays, say if I don't train or work I may only eat twice. But then on leg day and the day after I might eat six or seven times. My hunger varies and thus so does my diet. I never forcefeed myself, and I never go hungry. Seems to work out.
umm.. bro you are aware that weight training doesnt even burn alot of calories ? maybe 400 at the absolute MAX ? and 300 is a realistic number.. so you verall calories wouldnt even need to change that much..
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\ yea i am 18 now..
STFU then.
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STFU then.
why do you say that, good sir ?
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why do you say that, good sir ?
Why should I listen to you ,you are 18 yo ,that's how many years I've been training.now go fuck your self noob.
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Why should I listen to you ,you are 18 yo ,that's how many years I've been training.now go fuck your self noob.
The amount of years you have been training does not change science.. neither does my age lol
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The amount of years you have been training does not change science.. neither does my age lol
What Science ? there is not science in this shit , trial and error, experience.... that's what matters.
Even science progresses through trial and error.
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What Science ? there is not science in this shit , trial and error, experience.... that's what matters.
Even science progresses through trial and error.
ofcourse there is science to it.. its called human physiology
there is scientific studies backing up my claims, do you want me to post them or you wont read ? or claim something along the lines of "every body is different"
I know its hard to accept something like this after so many years, but do you really think your body can tell teh difference between sugar from a potato or from icecream .. ? in the body its the same sh!t lolz
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there is scientific studies backing up my claims, do you want me to post them or you wont read ? or claim something along the lines of "every body is different"
I know its hard to accept something like this after so many years, but do you really think your body can tell teh difference between sugar from a potato or from icecream .. ? in the body its the same sh!t lolz
I won't read but a picture of yourself will suffice.
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I won't read but a picture of yourself will suffice.
That is a pretty stupid logic you have there for someone who i am assuming is in what... their 40's now ?
Using that logic we can conclude that phil heath is the smartest man bodybuilding wise on the planet..( since he won the mr Olympia after 8 years of bbing and looks pretty fuking crazy!!)
again im just trying to aware you guys on how to make it easier on your self, I know its hard to accept but so was the fact that the earth was round 500 years ago
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That is a pretty stupid logic you have there for someone who i am assuming is in what... their 40's now ?
Using that logic we can conclude that phil heath is the smartest man bodybuilding wise on the planet..( since he won the mr Olympia after 8 years of bbing and looks pretty fuking crazy!!)
again im just trying to aware you guys on how to make it easier on your self, I know its hard to accept but so was the fact that the earth was round 500 years ago
Pictures or STFU noob, .
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Pictures or STFU noob, .
and what would a picture prove ? if i looked good you would say im on steroids and i i dont you would say " hah we can see how well that works for you"
im not going to post pictures because its a stupid ad hominem argument
the fact that you look better than me or trained longer than me, does NOT change science
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Pictures or STFU noob, .
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Your coming off as a massive meat head right now..
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Your coming off as a massive meat head right now..
Pictures or STFU
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Pictures or STFU
but what would that prove ?
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Your coming off as a massive meat head right now..
To prove the effectiveness of your diet you have to provide proof of stridations showing in your glutes in a side leg shot.
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To prove the effectiveness of your diet you have to provide proof of stridations showing in your glutes in a side leg shot.
Are you being serious ? Don't you realize the fallacy of this argument ? Being big and shredded DOES NOT make you an expert in human physiology, scientific proof to back up your claims does, and i can post this.. ( but no one here will read it)
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Your coming off as a massive meat head right now..
epic irony.
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Jovo, I think the point you are missing is that you can have all the science in the world but if the application of said science does not end in a result... What's the point? Hence the request for a pic. If you have studied science and applied it to your training/diet and have acheived a result, then let's see it.
For the rest of us, it's been trial and error, over and over again to find what works. Science has not studied bodybuilding to enable us to be the biggest humans possible. Science has studied athletic performance to some extent, but the applicability of that to bodybuilding is small.
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Are you being serious ? Don't you realize the fallacy of this argument ? Being big and shredded DOES NOT make you an expert in human physiology, scientific proof to back up your claims does, and i can post this.. ( but no one here will read it)
damn right i'm fucking serious. post glute shots or get the fuck out.
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Are you being serious ? Don't you realize the fallacy of this argument ? Being big and shredded DOES NOT make you an expert in human physiology, scientific proof to back up your claims does, and i can post this.. ( but no one here will read it)
Shut the fuck up and hike up your thong like a real man.
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This fat kid reminds me of Tbombz 6-7 years ago.
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Jovo, I think the point you are missing is that you can have all the science in the world but if the application of said science does not end in a result... What's the point? Hence the request for a pic. If you have studied science and applied it to your training/diet and have acheived a result, then let's see it.
For the rest of us, it's been trial and error, over and over again to find what works. Science has not studied bodybuilding to enable us to be the biggest humans possible. Science has studied athletic performance to some extent, but the applicability of that to bodybuilding is small.
do you not understand bodybuilding is just human philology applied to real life ?
I have not been lifting long enough to have a spectacular body and my genetics are not the best, but this doesnt change the fact that others have gotten down past 5% bf using this method for comps.. but if i posted a picture of these people you guys would just say they are on steroids..
I have done the whole "clean" diet shit for a while and it works the same, guaranteed
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I have not been lifting long enough to have a spectacular body and my genetics are not the best
End of the thread ,thanks for playing Homo.
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End of the thread ,thanks for playing Homo.
lol, im just trying to aware you guys, at the end of the day you can make life harder on yourself by eating 8 meals of chicken,sweet potato and broccoli.. and ignore science which has always aimed towards helping people out.
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lol, im just trying to aware you guys, at the end of the day you can make life harder on yourself by eating 8 meals of chicken,sweet potato and broccoli.. and ignore science which has always aimed towards helping people out.
This ain't our first rodeo, son. I'm sure bb.com members would appreciate this groundbreaking information.
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This ain't out first rodeo, son. I'm sure bb.com members would appreciate this groundbreaking information.
disregard science, acquire pseudosciene
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just a question, what do you guys think is the diffrence between eating say eating 200 grams of chicken breast (6 g fat, 60 gram protein) + 3 or so slices of bread( lets say it has 40 grams of carbs, 7 grams of protein, and 10 grams of fat)
and eating the chiken breast + 150 grams of some brand of ice cream which has like 5 grams protein and 40 grams carbs +15 grams fat.. what is the diffrence it would have on your overall body-composition ?
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I've known some naturals who can take in some serious high carbs during their contest prep!
Never been able to do it myself, for me, its always low low low carbs... fucking sucks!
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but what would that prove ?
You are coming from bodybuilding.com right guy? I can tell you are from there. Don't lie to me about this.
U are on thunderdome now child so watch your mouth, and take your "science" back to the natural bodybuild site. You guys can suck each others macros.
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just a question, what do you guys think is the diffrence between eating say eating 200 grams of chicken breast (6 g fat, 60 gram protein) + 3 or so slices of bread( lets say it has 40 grams of carbs, 7 grams of protein, and 10 grams of fat)
and eating the chiken breast + 150 grams of some brand of ice cream which has like 5 grams protein and 40 grams carbs +15 grams fat.. what is the diffrence it would have on your overall body-composition ?
Shut the fuck up with the bullshit kid we get your point. Stop belaboring it. You are coming off as a little twat.
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Shut the fuck up with the bullshit kid we get your point. Stop belaboring it. You are coming off as a little twat.
why are you mad tho ? Im just trying to see what kind of logic you guys have ? the old " if it tastes good its bad for you " ??
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You are coming from bodybuilding.com right guy? I can tell you are from there. Don't lie to me about this.
U are on thunderdome now child so watch your mouth, and take your "science" back to the natural bodybuild site. You guys can suck each others macros.
funny how you make science something of a joke, but who made that oil that you shove up your ass ever day ???
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why are you mad tho ? Im just trying to see what kind of logic you guys have ? the old " if it tastes good its bad for you " ??
Most of us on get big are already aware of macros and the IIFYM concept. We don't need some 18 year old natural homo belaboring some point that everybody here already knows.
Don't you understand you dumb little twink? We don't need to follow IIFYM. We are all on hormones, super dosed. We need if it fits your fridge eat it and that include mama and papa and any little bb.cOm homo who wanders into thunder done preaching their bull shit
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funny how you make science something of a joke, but who made that oil that you shove up your ass ever day ???
U really do suck cock huh?
I was joking before but now I am realizing you are actually a closeted gay.
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Most of us on get big are already aware of macros and the IIFYM concept. We don't need some 18 year old natural homo belaboring some point that everybody here already knows.
Don't you understand you dumb little twink? We don't need to follow IIFYM. We are all on hormones, super dosed. We need if it fits your fridge eat it and that include mama and papa and any little bb.cOm homo who wanders into thunder done preaching their bull shit
I wasnt talking about people on hormones lol, i jus tsee people here thinking that naturals have to follow some retarted har diets.. not really, you think eating chikecn and broccoli 8 times a day gets you big ? no.. hormoes do.. so why waste time with taht sh!t ?
I havent violated any rules so you can suck my left nut, i just made a discussion. too much tren rage
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I wasnt talking about people on hormones lol, i jus tsee people here thinking that naturals have to follow some retarted har diets.. not really, you think eating chikecn and broccoli 8 times a day gets you big ? no.. hormoes do.. so why waste time with taht sh!t ?
I havent violated any rules so you can suck my left nut, i just made a discussion. too much tren rage
there are no rules it is thunder dome.
i'm just busting your balls
homo
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there are no rules it is thunder dome.
i'm just busting your balls
homo
says the guy who sucks horse cock nightly
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I wasnt talking about people on hormones lol, i jus tsee people here thinking that naturals have to follow some retarted har diets.. not really, you think eating chikecn and broccoli 8 times a day gets you big ? no.. hormoes do.. so why waste time with taht sh!t ?
I havent violated any rules so you can suck my left nut, i just made a discussion. too much tren rage
You can quote all the fucking science you want man. MY EXPERIENCE has shown me that YES naturals do far better eating clean than vice versa. The exception to this is when people are young and swimming in GH and testosterone naturally. Either way you slice it it's about hormones. You will understand this later. You mentioned earlier the study of human physiology to bodybuilding, but no it doesn't work like that. The study of human physiology has not been taken to the point of trying to become the largest human with the lowest bodyfat possible. It just hasn't been studied.
And like smoof said you are just belaboring your point. We have all heard this song before so just drop it and let it lie. Bottom line is yeah you can have nice beach muscles and a six pack natural. Some will have to be more strict in their diet than others. BUT BODYBUILDING? Being 220+ at 6% is all about HORMONES. End of discussion.
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says the guy who sucks horse cock nightly
Says the little girl who actually does suck cock. Big black HIV infected cock.
Homo...
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Yea im not going to bother lol, trying to prove something to you guys is like trying to get a brick wall to talk..
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oh my...another a calorie is a calorie guy! ::)
lets get this straight noob, you know fuck all............ you know only what youve read, you have no physique whatso ever to even test out your science.. you most probly look like shit on clean and or shitty diet
now fuck off pls!
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Yea im not going to bother lol, trying to prove something to you guys is like trying to get a brick wall to talk..
I agree with you for the most part if there is a difference its very very small for the simple facr what is clean eating? From a science perspective there is no such thing only nutrient dense and non nutrient dense. You want to argue pizza is more nutrient dense then chicken and rice? One could argue well you want to keep insulin in check well thats not so clear either. I would not advocate eating chips and whey protien. As long as you eat a half as sensible your most likely not hurting gains
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I agree with you for the most part if there is a difference its very very small for the simple face what is clean eating? From a science perspective there is no such thing only nutrient dense and non nutrient dense. You want to argue pizza is more nutrient dense then chicken and rice? One could argue well you want to keep insulin in check well thats not so clear either. I would not advocate eating chips and whey protien. As long as you eat a half as sensible your most likely not hurting gains
yea this is what im saying.. jsut these guys meatheads dont under stand lol, eat some salad and shit to get fibre and micros but fuk that brown rice and talapia lol.
that doesnt make you a bodybuilder, hormones do
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So ........................ ..............
Why are posting on getbig? ::) ??? ???
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So ........................ ..............
Why are posting on getbig? ::) ??? ???
why not ? just because im not a sheep doesnt meani cant post here. anyway theres too many funny posts here ;D ;D
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yeah thats great and all brah but it doesnt work unless you're a skinny 21 year old meso-ecto-twink
on tren/test/gh I ate like shit over xmas and put on 10lbs of slimey bloat, my veins vanished and I am as soft as Vince Basiles turkey dewlap. And like a good little bb.com IIFYM faglet I cut out carbs and fat from other meals to compensate for the times when I ate icecream and ferro rocher by the handfull.
you know what works? meat, greens, rice, yams.
YEA THAT BECAUSE YOU CONSUMED TO MANY CALORIES, NOT BECAUSE OF WHAT FOOD IT WAS.
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Nope,you are dumb,just like true adonis shitty's theory.
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Nope,you are dumb,just like true adonis shitty's theory.
and what was his theory ?
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and what was his theory ?
The same theory you are sprouting, and I believe it was che(correct me if i'm wrong) who tried it for a month, and the difference was he looked like shit.
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The same theory you are sprouting, and I believe it was che(correct me if i'm wrong) who tried it for a month, and the difference was he looked like shit.
so he counted his macros which were set for a specific goal and he got fat huh ? sounds like he did something wrong imo
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dont knwo about you ,, but i sushi,, then next meal lazagna ,, then next meal was pizza,, then a meal after was bean soup and some turky jerky pasrami,, then meal after eggwhites and pine apple juice and some icecream ,, lol
this is bodybuild diet lol you live in illusion we eat clean lol
even the few naturals around ...they walk around 8-9% 180 lol and eat burgers in 5 guys and whatever else they want,, but! when going down to 6%! then they clean it all up,,
hormkonized....we can be 6% and eat whatever still lol especialy on gh ,, we will be water loged to some degree ofcourse ,, but diet is a big balonie invented by the danta and sons of the last century called weider
gh15 approved
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dont knwo about you ,, but i sushi,, then next meal lazagna ,, then next meal was pizza,, then a meal after was bean soup and some turky jerky pasrami,, then meal after eggwhites and pine apple juice and some icecream ,, lol
this is bodybuild diet lol you live in illusion we eat clean lol
even the few naturals around ...they walk around 8-9% 180 lol and eat burgers in 5 guys and whatever else they want,, but! when going down to 6%! then they clean it all up,,
hormkonized....we can be 6% and eat whatever still lol especialy on gh ,, we will be water loged to some degree ofcourse ,, but diet is a big balonie invented by the danta and sons of the last century called weider
gh15 approved
dont know if you understood what i am saying, but even naturals(actual naturals) can eat tasty food, as long as it fits into their macros for what ever purpose is.. say you need 200 gram protein, 300 gram carb, 100 gram fat.. you can fill this up with anything.. your body doesnt recognise where protein comes from or where carbs come from ect.. in the body its the same thing.. but when you add in hormoes.. you gain size no matter what you eat lol as long as you have enough calories and protein.. this is scientifically supported
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not exactly for natural ,, and not exactly for hormonized,, you still have to have some balance but! yes! on hormones in particular you are free to eat as your heart desire in most cases,, then if you go and drink the bottle of canola oil you will get fat! with gh or with out ,, but who will drink a bottle of canola oil?
generaly speakin you can eat much more whatever food on gh ,, there is no diet...
naturaly ....you can eat anything you want within borders but! you will nto look or be 6% if truly natural ,, for the true natural to get to 6% he will have to clean diet up
gh15 approved
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not exactly for natural ,, and not exactly for hormonized,, you still have to have some balance but! yes! on hormones in particular you are free to eat as your heart desire in most cases,, then if you go and drink the bottle of canola oil you will get fat! with gh or with out ,, but who will drink a bottle of canola oil?
generaly speakin you can eat much more whatever food on gh ,, there is no diet...
naturaly ....you can eat anything you want within borders but! you will nto look or be 6% if truly natural ,, for the true natural to get to 6% he will have to clean diet up
gh15 approved
yea ofcourse you gotta add some fruit and vegtables in for fibre and micro nutrients.. but im saying that the whole talapia and brow rice 8 times a day and a nitro tech shake post work out is a bunch of bullshit thats not neciserry lol..
and yea thats what I am saying, the macros for the day is that border.. you cannot get fat if you are eating less energy than you use.. no matter where it comes from.. and the macros will determine the composition of your body..
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NO BULLSHIT SHUT UP AND SQUAT
KING OF EXERCICES ;D
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not exactly for natural ,, and not exactly for hormonized,, you still have to have some balance but! yes! on hormones in particular you are free to eat as your heart desire in most cases,, then if you go and drink the bottle of canola oil you will get fat! with gh or with out ,, but who will drink a bottle of canola oil?
generaly speakin you can eat much more whatever food on gh ,, there is no diet...
naturaly ....you can eat anything you want within borders but! you will nto look or be 6% if truly natural ,, for the true natural to get to 6% he will have to clean diet up
gh15 approved
if this is the case why are there so many fat guys on gear?.... why are there so many guys turning up for shows still fat, im not talking being a bit watery either
maybe you can get away with eating what you want on mega dose gh, but on bog standard gear your still going to get fat
and if your natty!,.. there no natty in shape eating crap, you slip up a few times too many off gear and your fucked
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if this is the case why are there so many fat guys on gear?.... why are there so many guys turning up for shows still fat, im not talking being a bit watery either
maybe you can get away with eating what you want on mega dose gh, but on bog standard gear your still going to get fat
and if your natty!,.. there no natty in shape eating crap, you slip up a few times too many off gear and your fucked
thats why you count your macro nutrients you put in your mouth, you CANNOT get fat by eating less than you use, and if you keep protein high you wont lose alot of muscle.
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End of the thread ,thanks for playing Homo.
LOL ;D
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thats why you count your macro nutrients you put in your mouth, you CANNOT get fat by eating less than you use, and if you keep protein high you wont lose alot of muscle.
you posted pics yet?
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you posted pics yet?
is that the only agument you can come up with ? lol no wonder people laugh at bb'er, meat heads with no logic, just know how to inject drugs lol.
what would a picture prove ? really think about it.. like someone could post a picture of eating 8 meals of sweet potato and chiken for 3 years and still look bad because of genetics, does it mean that eating chicken and sweet potato is ineffective ? no lol because otehr can get swole of it.
What part dont you understand, your body sees sugar, protein fat, not where it came from.
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did you really just say "swole" and mean it?
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if this is the case why are there so many fat guys on gear?.... why are there so many guys turning up for shows still fat, im not talking being a bit watery either
maybe you can get away with eating what you want on mega dose gh, but on bog standard gear your still going to get fat
and if your natty!,.. there no natty in shape eating crap, you slip up a few times too many off gear and your fucked
do you know who i am ? i think my reputation is most likely the most highest of all internet bodybuild era ever,, im so big that i get movie proposals abotu my life!
now listen carfuly because im tired to fucking repet this balonie,,
YOU CAN NOT GET FAT WITH GH IN YOUR BLOOD,, I SAID HORMONES! ON HORMONES GH IS INCLUDED AS PART OF HORMONES,, BEFORE YOU JOINED GETBIG.COM THUNDERDOME I ALREADY CREATED VOCABULARY FOR EVERYONE TO USE ,, MANY YEARS AGO
I PRUPOSSLY CREATED THE WORD HORMONES TO IN CL U D E HGH AS PART OF IT AND OTHER HORMONES...
AAS IS ONE THING YES YOU CAN GET FAT IF EAT MCDONALS ,, ON GH ! IT WILL NOT HAPPEN ,, ON HIGH DOSE GH IT CAN NOT! HAPPEN
GH IS EVERYTHING I KEEP SAYING IT! ,,
IM NEVER WRONG ,, WHAT PISES ME OFF IS THE BIG BIG PROBLEM THAT MUSCULAR DEVELP IS AND THE SIN THEY MAKE THERE FOR IM ABOUT TO TAKE THIS ALL WEBSITE DOWN ON MY SITE,, IM ABOUT TO GO AGAINST BLACKMAN
HE CAN BRING ANY LAWYER HE WANT I WIL BRING STRONGER LAWYERS ,,FIRST OFCOURSE HE NEED TO LOCATE ME WHICH IS IMPOSIBLE
SO! YOU NOW CREATED ONE OF GH15 MOVES IN THE NEXT YEAR,, IM GOING LAL OUT AGAINST MUSCULAR DEVEOP BALONIE I WANT THIS MAGAZINE FINISHED
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what GH15 says when he says cant get fat i think, is you eat like a normal person lol.. have break fast, some snacks, dinner ect.. then something else then have some ice cream too for calories..lol and you dont have to count it like a natural.. your pretty much eating around the same level and most calories are used to build muscle.. ofcourse if you consume 10000 cals a day you get fat, lol but no one do that, 4 k at most, with tren in blood and hgh you dont need more
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do you know who i am ? i think my reputation is most likely the most highest of all internet bodybuild era ever,, im so big that i get movie proposals abotu my life!
now listen carfuly because im tired to fucking repet this balonie,,
YOU CAN NOT GET FAT WITH GH IN YOUR BLOOD,, I SAID HORMONES! ON HORMONES GH IS INCLUDED AS PART OF HORMONES,, BEFORE YOU JOINED GETBIG.COM THUNDERDOME I ALREADY CREATED VOCABULARY FOR EVERYONE TO USE ,, MANY YEARS AGO
I PRUPOSSLY CREATED THE WORD HORMONES TO IN CL U D E HGH AS PART OF IT AND OTHER HORMONES...
AAS IS ONE THING YES YOU CAN GET FAT IF EAT MCDONALS ,, ON GH ! IT WILL NOT HAPPEN ,, ON HIGH DOSE GH IT CAN NOT! HAPPEN
GH IS EVERYTHING I KEEP SAYING IT! ,,
IM NEVER WRONG ,, WHAT PISES ME OFF IS THE BIG BIG PROBLEM THAT MUSCULAR DEVELP IS AND THE SIN THEY MAKE THERE FOR IM ABOUT TO TAKE THIS ALL WEBSITE DOWN ON MY SITE,, IM ABOUT TO GO AGAINST BLACKMAN
HE CAN BRING ANY LAWYER HE WANT I WIL BRING STRONGER LAWYERS ,,FIRST OFCOURSE HE NEED TO LOCATE ME WHICH IS IMPOSIBLE
SO! YOU NOW CREATED ONE OF GH15 MOVES IN THE NEXT YEAR,, IM GOING LAL OUT AGAINST MUSCULAR DEVEOP BALONIE I WANT THIS MAGAZINE FINISHED
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did u not read what i just wrote?
maybe you can get away with eating what you want on mega dose gh, but on bog standard gear your still going to get fat!
youve just agreed with me?
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what GH15 says when he says cant get fat i think, is you eat like a normal person lol.. have break fast, some snacks, dinner ect.. then something else then have some ice cream too for calories..lol and you dont have to count it like a natural.. your pretty much eating around the same level and most calories are used to build muscle.. ofcourse if you consume 10000 cals a day you get fat, lol but no one do that, 4 k at most, with tren in blood and hgh you dont need more
posted a pic yet?
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what i say is that i just finish second pizza 5 min ago,, and before i ate lazanga an dbefore that another pizza and befor that sushi ...there is no diet when on legit hgh ,, if you take hgh in 15 iu ....you got to be crazy to eat clean you will lose bodyfat too fast,, only thing that you hav eon hgh is 6-8% and water ,, abs always there body always improve veins are enhanced and you just look liek bodybuild as simple as that
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did u not read what i just wrote?
maybe you can get away with eating what you want on mega dose gh, but on bog standard gear your still going to get fat!
youve just agreed with me?
well if you take testosterona and dianabola and eat like balonie you will be fat yes you wil be bloofy which is not exactly fat but it is the 10-13% zone and hold water that will fuck your look up and make you look 15%,, in that aspect you right
put hgh in and you are competetive bodybuild in matter of 60 days
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posted a pic yet?
nope because that isnt the way i argue, I can post scientific proof, but your lack of brain power will most likely not let you interpret what it says
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nope because that isnt the way i argue, I can post scientific proof, but your lack of brain power will most likely not let you interpret what it says
i am bodybuilda............. post a pic!
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nope because that isnt the way i argue, I can post scientific proof, but your lack of brain power will most likely not let you interpret what it says
At 18 years of age,can you tell us how long you`ve been training so that we know you have the experience to back up your posts ?
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i am bodybuilda............. post a pic!
so tell me bodybuilda, have drugs fried your brain to lack any logic ? go search the net and you'll find plenty of peope who diet this way and dont take hormoes, yea they are not huge, but they are what a natural can be.
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At 18 years of age,can you tell us how long you`ve been training so that we know you have the experience to back up your posts ?
listen old man, the years I or you have been training, does not fucking change science, god your fucks are so stupid.
Are you saying if some black guy only eats bread and peanut butter ( i know one) and is bigger than most naturals that do everything right after 2 years of training, that this is the right way to train and diet ? really i think im starting to see a pattern here, some fucking horomne is making you lose IQ.
can you not see the flaw in your stupid logic ?
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listen old man, the years I or you have been training, does not fucking change science, god your fucks are so stupid.
Are you saying if some black guy only eats bread and peanut butter ( i know one) and is bigger than most naturals that do everything right after 2 years of training, that this is the right way to train ? really i think im starting to see a pattern here, some fucking horomne is making you lose IQ
I`m saying that at 18 you don`t know jackshit about almost everything under the sun kiddo!
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listen old man, the years I or you have been training, does not fucking change science, god your fucks are so stupid.
Are you saying if some black guy only eats bread and peanut butter ( i know one) and is bigger than most naturals that do everything right after 2 years of training, that this is the right way to train and diet ? really i think im starting to see a pattern here, some fucking horomne is making you lose IQ.
can you not see the flaw in your stupid logic ?
so this 'black guy' eats peanut butter samiches for every meal ::)............... dont bring black genetics into this and dont presume to know everything your 'black guy' does
and while your at it..... post a pic
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so this 'black guy' eats peanut butter samiches for every meal ::)............... dont bring black genetics into this and dont presume to know everything your 'black guy' does
and while your at it..... post a pic
lol exactly what im saying, what will an image of me prove, its like me saying my black freind's way of eating is the right way.. is it ??( and no he is not on hormones)? people are different genetically, some hold muscle some dont, either way google is your freind, go search for people who diet this way and see for your self.
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Pics or STFU moron ::)
gh15 how do you explain trey brewer ?How did he got fat?bunk gh,?
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Pics or STFU moron ::)
gh15 how do you explain trey brewer ?How did he got fat?bunk gh,?
haha yea im the moron ::) i think all the drugs have got to your brain.
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General rule Jovo, it will put you in good stead for the rest of your life.
If you look like shit, don't dish out advice.
Hope this helps.
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General rule Jovo, it will put you in good stead for the rest of your life.
If you look like shit, don't dish out advice.
Hope this helps.
I bet this got you far in life ::)
your logic pretty much makes phil heath an expert in human physiology right ?
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I bet this got you far in life ::)
your logic pretty much makes phil heath an expert in human physiology right ?
It surely worked for your mom :P
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Stop feeding the troll
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It surely worked for your mom :P
lol getting owned so bad in an argument by an 18 year old that you resort to mum insults
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The amount of years you have been training does not change science.. neither does my age lol
Yes it does....thats science too.
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Lot of people here have bbing when you were still in your dad's balls
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Lot of people here have bbing when you were still in your dad's balls
and this matters how ???
would a guy whos been bbing for 40 years saying this make it more valid ???
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and this matters how ???
would a guy whos been bbing for 40 years saying this make it more valid ???
well....anyone who knows anything would tell you that what works for you may not work for someone else. So you coming here making a general statement makes you look like an ignorant kid who knows absolutely nothing.
Hope this helps.
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well....anyone who knows anything would tell you that what works for you may not work for someone else. So you coming here making a general statement makes you look like an ignorant kid who knows absolutely nothing.
Hope this helps.
do you understand the concept of human physiology ? we are not that diffrent you moron, shit even fuking rats have alot of similarities to us.
Its funny how people will never change lol
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You`re 18,been training for two years, and have been on this board for exactly 25 days............why not read the board and learn,listen to more experienced guys.
Most of the guys you are arguing with here are seasoned competitors or guys that have been training for many years.
When I was 18,I was all ears when talking to more experienced bodybuilders but today,the internet makes everyone an expert.
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do you understand the concept of human physiology ? we are not that diffrent you moron, shit even fuking rats have alot of similarities to us.
Its funny how people will never change lol
hahaha
its not that simple you fuckhead...obviously you are forgetting many important factors; one being insulin sensitivity which dictates how each one of us responds to different foods.
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When I was 18,I was all ears when talking to more experienced bodybuilders but today,the internet makes everyone an expert.
yes it doesn, because we can freely read and learn and not rely on the guy in denial running 2 grams of tren to tell us how to get shredded
I really dont understand why you guys dont like this concept ...
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yes it doesn, because we can freely read and learn and not rely on the guy in denial running 2 grams of tren to tell us how to get shredded
I really dont understand why you guys dont like this concept ...
REAL learning comes from real world experience,and time put in the gym and at the table my friend.
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hahaha
its not that simple you fuckhead...obviously you are forgetting many important factors; one being insulin sensitivity which dictates how each one of us responds to different foods.
lol you are aware whey creates a larger insulin response than dextrose ?
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REAL learning comes from real world experience,and time put in the gym and at the table my friend.
lol thing is.. im actually getting better results like this than by eating " healthy " like i was before, and every person who has done it properly , ahs never gone back.. lol
also while we are at it what is your philosophy on diet ?
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lol thing is.. im actually getting better results like this than by eating " healthy " like i was before, and every person who has done it properly , ahs never gone back.. lol
Then continue to do what works for you.......we are all different and we all respond differently to various methods...........you can`t make a blanket statement and expect everyone to agree with you.
Experimenting is key!!
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lol you are aware whey creates a larger insulin response than dextrose ?
fuck off
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Then continue to do what works for you.......we are all different and we all respond differently to various methods...........you can`t make a blanket statement and expect everyone to agree with you.
Experimenting is key!!
ut evey one who has done it properly has never gone back..i swear lol.. also what is your philosophy on diet ?
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ut evey one who has done it properly has never gone back..i swear lol.. also what is your philosophy on diet ?
Dude,so far in this thread you have argued with the following people:
no one-great physique,and a big lean guy who knows his shit
Che-one of the best nattys you will see anywhere anytime
Local Hero-Seasoned competitor who looks great
Big Ach-great natural bodybuilder who has won tons of trophies
Krankenstein-WNBF Pro who looks awesome
You could never stick to my diet because as a rule when training to look my best,ice cream isn`t included !!
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Dude,so far in this thread you have argued with the following people:
no one-great physique,and a big lean guy who knows his shit
Che-one of the best nattys you will see anywhere anytime
Local Hero-Seasoned competitor who looks great
Big Ach-great natural bodybuilder who has won tons of trophies
Krankenstein-WNBF Pro who looks awesome
You could never stick to my diet because as a rule when training to look my best,ice cream isn`t included !!
okay but can i ask you why you think icecream isnt good ? just want to hear your reasoning..
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Too much sugar = empty calories that do not build muscle.
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Dude,so far in this thread you have argued with the following people:
no one-great physique,and a big lean guy who knows his shit
Che-one of the best nattys you will see anywhere anytime
Local Hero-Seasoned competitor who looks great
Big Ach-great natural bodybuilder who has won tons of trophies
Krankenstein-WNBF Pro who looks awesome
You could never stick to my diet because as a rule when training to look my best,ice cream isn`t included !!
+ wes the old grandpa of bb :D
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I eat ice cream in the off-season but unless you are on GH,you better watch how much junk you eat .........that`s why they call junk food,junk food!!
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This young fella who thinks he knows it all is especially annoying to those of us who do :D
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Too much sugar = empty calories that do not build muscle.
but you are aware oats and sugar turn into the same thing when inside the body ? I know oats have more micro nutrients than say chocolate, but if you meet your micro nutrient needs, why cant you eat some chocolate..
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+ wes the old grandpa of bb :D
Thank you for including me on that prestigous list! ;)
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but you are aware oats and sugar turn into the same thing when inside the body ? I know oats have more micro nutrients than say chocolate, but if you meet your micro nutrient needs, why cant you eat some chocolate..
You can eat whatever the fuck you want,but I`ll tell you right now,A CALROIE IS NOT JUST A CALORIE WHEN IT COMES TO BODYBUILDING.
Try eating tons of shit in place of good wholesome food for a few months and tell me how your physique has changed for the better.
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You can eat whatever the fuck you want,but I`ll tell you right now,A CALROIE IS NOT JUST A CALORIE WHEN IT COMES TO BODYBUILDING.
Try eating tons of shit in place of good wholesome food for a few months and tell me how your physique has changed for the better.
this is really a pointless argument now, can we drop this or some mod lock the thread ?
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Or better you leave the forum together with your stupid ideas? ;D
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Or better you leave the forum together with your stupid ideas? ;D
lol no way, this place is way to lulzy to leave, i was just trying to aware you guys, but i forgot that most of you are 30+ years old and been doing this for a while.. youll pretty much NEVER EVER change your mind lol.(i'll probably be like that too one day.. but hopefully not lulz)
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lol no way, this place is way to lulzy to leave, i was just trying to aware you guys, but i forgot that most of you are 30+ years old and been doing this for a while.. youll pretty much NEVER EVER change your mind lol.(i'll probably be like that too one day.. but hopefully not lulz)
Not when we`re ALWAYS right!! ;D
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I can't believe this little fat bitch is arguing with the great WES ,Hahaha
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I can't believe this little fat bitch is arguing with the great WES ,Hahaha
The fucking nerve of some people huh !! ;D
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The fucking nerve of some people huh !! ;D
Unbelievable
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When I was 18,I was all ears when talking to more experienced bodybuilders but today,the internet makes everyone an expert.
x2 I soaked up (no homo :D ) any advice and just asked a lot of questions. Kids these days. :D
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is that the only agument you can come up with ? lol no wonder people laugh at bb'er, meat heads with no logic, just know how to inject drugs lol.
what would a picture prove ? really think about it.. like someone could post a picture of eating 8 meals of sweet potato and chiken for 3 years and still look bad because of genetics, does it mean that eating chicken and sweet potato is ineffective ? no lol because otehr can get swole of it.
What part dont you understand, your body sees sugar, protein fat, not where it came from.
It would lend some credibility to what you were touting.
Point is, if your "etched in stone" laws of science were so powerful then they would be able to OVERCOME your poor genetics and deliver a solid, respectable physique even in spite of your lousy genetic short comings. Thus lending some credibility to you're argument.
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Since you are so concerned with "aware"-ing everyone, you should not have an issue with producing some shred of evidence that anyone should listen to you at all. For instance, natty or enhanced, if you look good, then no one can take that away from you. So if you just post a pic showing us that YOUR METHODS WORK FOR YOU, then you will get a much better response from people. Right now, you just sound like an 18 year old kid that's hung around people who have accomplished something (again, natty or enhanced) and spent some time reading nutrition articles off bodybuilding.com If you post a pic it has NOTHING to do with science and everything to do with your credibility. "Science" as you keep pointing out means shit to anywhere here but results do. Now if you got your ripped physique through science more power to you. One point you seem to be lost on: IF YOU ARE HORMONIZED THE LAWS OF NUTRITION SCIENCE GO RIGHT OUT THE WINDOW.
Put a pic up and shut up everyone up. No ones going to lambaste you for being too small or not on 18 grams of tren so don't use that as an excuse.
lol no way, this place is way to lulzy to leave, i was just trying to aware you guys, but i forgot that most of you are 30+ years old and been doing this for a while.. youll pretty much NEVER EVER change your mind lol.(i'll probably be like that too one day.. but hopefully not lulz)
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It would lend some credibility to what you were touting.
Point is, if your "etched in stone" laws of science were so powerful then they would be able to OVERCOME your poor genetics and deliver a solid, respectable physique even in spite of your lousy genetic short comings. Thus lending some credibility to you're argument.
lol like i said can we drop this..
anyway My genetics are not bad, im just saying that it wouldnt prove anything. science proovesshit.. but like i said drop it lol..
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I bet this got you far in life ::)
your logic pretty much makes phil heath an expert in human physiology right ?
No, it makes his drug guru an expert in hormones.
It's akin to taking advice from a financial advisor whose gone bankrupt himself, sure he may have read a few things but unless you can show and apply it to yourself, no one gives a fuck.
Now, piss off.
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Jovo, one last question. I ate a sausage biscuit this morning and now I gotta shit like crazy. It it better to wait and let in stack in my colon with future shit or to go ahead and drop the load to meet my macros? Thanks for your help! ;)
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Jovo- You may know a couple things about training and nutrition but on this board you're dealing with hundreds of people with are seasoned vets. It's not a bad thing to try and add what you've learned but you can't go about it the way you can on bb.com or some of the more generic boards. If you don't adjust and adapt you'll be gone in a heartbeat.
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Hey jovo ,
You're a bb.com queer please go home.
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when you on specific hormones diet doesn't mean shit to you, only female have to watch their diet
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Tried both ways of dieting and really doesn't make a difference either way as far as how you look, imo. Look better now that I am not obsessing about "clean" and "dirty" foods.
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Pics or STFU moron ::)
gh15 how do you explain trey brewer ?How did he got fat?bunk gh,?
abuse of insulina ,, too much testosetrona with! not enough legit hgh,,you could se the brwer fella was playing with hgh that was not in the 20-30 iu level yet the insulina was in the profesional level,, you cant balonie around this way yuo will get bloofed
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You guys realize that even naturals can eat icecream and what not ? and not bother with "post workout shakes" ect ...
As long as it fits into your macros for your goal.. you can eat it lol.. and this is supported BY SCIENCE, i can link to studies ect that support this..
lol your body doesnt recognize protein as something from a farm fed cow lol, it just breaks it down into amino acids and goes to your blood then cells lol... same for carbs and fats ( though you should avoid transfats for health reasons), lol that whole insulin spike shit ? that a load of garbage , protein causes a insulin spike too lol..
so when gh 15 says eat icecream to grow ect.. that because the calories are making you crow, because of HORMONES lol, not a secret food.
all that going catabloic is BULLSHIT too, it is scientifically proven that you dont go catabolic until like 36 HOURS after not eating and more, and thats whow long the whole anabloic window lasta too, not 15 mins LOL!!
use common snse, are you going to go catabloic if you ate a steak the night before and its still being digested, and your blood is still high in amino acids and glucose ?
This is scientifically prove, so who do you trust ? science.. or some really shredded guy who sells whey protein ?( think about agenda here!)
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this is getbig- nobody gives a fuck about 'natural bodybuilding'
hope this helps, 'homo'
HAHA, this
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Kid, I hope you realize everyone just shit all over you, in every single post, so I suggest you stop posting in this thread, and like Smoofcat said, run back to bodybuilding.com
Just my 2 cents, good luck
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lol like i said can we drop this..
anyway My genetics are not bad, im just saying that it wouldnt prove anything. science proovesshit.. but like i said drop it lol..
Compelling photos can absolutely be used in a case study to prove an argument.
A photo is worth a thousand words.
That is flawed science at best.
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You guys realize that even naturals can eat icecream and what not ? and not bother with "post workout shakes" ect ...
As long as it fits into your macros for your goal.. you can eat it lol.. and this is supported BY SCIENCE, i can link to studies ect that support this..
lol your body doesnt recognize protein as something from a farm fed cow lol, it just breaks it down into amino acids and goes to your blood then cells lol... same for carbs and fats ( though you should avoid transfats for health reasons), lol that whole insulin spike shit ? that a load of garbage , protein causes a insulin spike too lol..
so when gh 15 says eat icecream to grow ect.. that because the calories are making you crow, because of HORMONES lol, not a secret food.
all that going catabloic is BULLSHIT too, it is scientifically proven that you dont go catabolic until like 36 HOURS after not eating and more, and thats whow long the whole anabloic window lasta too, not 15 mins LOL!!
use common snse, are you going to go catabloic if you ate a steak the night before and its still being digested, and your blood is still high in amino acids and glucose ?
This is scientifically prove, so who do you trust ? science.. or some really shredded guy who sells whey protein ?( think about agenda here!)
The biggest crap was the "you dont go catabolic until like 36 hours" part
So you are saying, that if I eat nothing for 36 hours IM NOT GOING CATABOLIC? After 36 hours the whole metabolism has allready shut down and the body allready started to eat itself up since more than a day
As true natural you can even be catabolic if eating 4k calories / day in 6 meals seperated over the day. For example if you have a lot of stress
And yes if you have fast metabolism you can eat pretty much everything you want as true natural too ( not in contest prep of course ), I myself have a thyroid hyperfunction and I need my 3,5 - 4k calories / day to gain weight ( Even though my weight is only 167 lbs )
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Hahah 167 lbs go commit suicide. ::)
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lol why should he comit suicide,, al naturals are 165-180 lol the good ones are single digit 8-9 % the bad ones are 15-16% ,, then there is in between
thts how it alwys been ,, the redicoulus thing is that they actualy go to train lol when 167lb lol and eat 4 k lol who in their rihght mind do it it is waste of time ,, hormone got to be there
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lol like i said can we drop this..
anyway My genetics are not bad, im just saying that it wouldnt prove anything. science proovesshit.. but like i said drop it lol..
we are not going to drop it we have been here debating eating pizza versus rice and chicken for 20yrs we have nothing better to do and doubt we will get anything better to do anytime soon.
like gh15 said
pizza
chicken rice
lasagna
chicken/rice
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Hahah 167 lbs go commit suicide. ::)
Its even worse than you think Im 6"2 lolol
Anyways I started at 140 lbs about 9 months ago and Im pretty lean so its fine for me
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lol why should he comit suicide,, al naturals are 165-180 lol the good ones are single digit 8-9 % the bad ones are 15-16% ,, then there is in between
thts how it alwys been ,, the redicoulus thing is that they actualy go to train lol when 167lb lol and eat 4 k lol who in their rihght mind do it it is waste of time ,, hormone got to be there
gh15 approved
Im too scared of using hormones
And Im not even training since a year, but I will end up doing it sooner or later I guess lol
I also have igf1 hyperproduction ( also big space between frontteeth btw lol ), so if your theory is true I should respond good
Not planing to compete ever in my life btw, its mainly for pussy
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Why is some 18 yr old fuckstick trying to give nutrition advice on here?
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Hey jovo ,
You're a bb.com queer please go home.
It's obvious. I guess no one would listen to his preachings over there because he didn't have any "rep power" ::)
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Jovo,
There are some flaws in your theory. If I go eat Mcdonalds and make sure it stays within my macronutrient range, I'm still effected by things like high sodium that can cause bloat and water retention. Sure, some naturals with decent genetics can get away with staying in single digits on this theory, but no natural gets shredded that way. Also, if a natural tells you that he is getting shredded this way, he is lying. Just like the black guy in your gym who supposedly lives on PB&J and is totally natural. I'm not saying he's lying, but I am saying you're gullible if you believe people from your gym so easily. Even if you considered him a friend, you're still not following him day-to-day, and again its a good chance he is lying.
Now, bare in mind that you are on a hardcore bodybuilding forum. You can come here and talk about science, but please post the scientific report you have where the effects of extreme macronutrient counts and/or hormone use were tested on humans. This forum is filled with people who want to be huge as well as filled with huge people. People who don't just read an article with some solid findings and come state it as fact, no, you have people that have done the real tests by just putting their body through trial and error. Your lack of credibility comes from the fact that you are speaking from a text book point of view, when in fact most anything bodybuilders do is not going to be found in any text book. That's why people ask to see your pictures. Its's not an insult or a childish thing to ask for that. You came here with a theory and stated it was fact. So you must believe in the diet you're preaching and use it on yourself. People want to see the physical evidence that shows the results of your belief, not just you spouting out that it's "based on science and many people do it." You are 18 though and when you're speaking with people who have read all the science, heard all the bro science, and tried most of it on themselves, you should respect that these people have more hands on experience, and although anyone can read the same information you have, far less people can speak from first hand experience.
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Jovo,
There are some flaws in your theory. If I go eat Mcdonalds and make sure it stays within my macronutrient range, I'm still effected by things like high sodium that can cause bloat and water retention. Sure, some naturals with decent genetics can get away with staying in single digits on this theory, but no natural gets shredded that way. Also, if a natural tells you that he is getting shredded this way, he is lying. Just like the black guy in your gym who supposedly lives on PB&J and is totally natural. I'm not saying he's lying, but I am saying you're gullible if you believe people from your gym so easily. Even if you considered him a friend, you're still not following him day-to-day, and again its a good chance he is lying.
Now, bare in mind that you are on a hardcore bodybuilding forum. You can come here and talk about science, but please post the scientific report you have where the effects of extreme macronutrient counts and/or hormone use were tested on humans. This forum is filled with people who want to be huge as well as filled with huge people. People who don't just read an article with some solid findings and come state it as fact, no, you have people that have done the real tests by just putting their body through trial and error. Your lack of credibility comes from the fact that you are speaking from a text book point of view, when in fact most anything bodybuilders do is not going to be found in any text book. That's why people ask to see your pictures. Its's not an insult or a childish thing to ask for that. You came here with a theory and stated it was fact. So you must believe in the diet you're preaching and use it on yourself. People want to see the physical evidence that shows the results of your belief, not just you spouting out that it's "based on science and many people do it." You are 18 though and when you're speaking with people who have read all the science, heard all the bro science, and tried most of it on themselves, you should respect that these people have more hands on experience, and although anyone can read the same information you have, far less people can speak from first hand experience.
Good solid post bro. ;)
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Jovo,
There are some flaws in your theory. If I go eat Mcdonalds and make sure it stays within my macronutrient range, I'm still effected by things like high sodium that can cause bloat and water retention. Sure, some naturals with decent genetics can get away with staying in single digits on this theory, but no natural gets shredded that way. Also, if a natural tells you that he is getting shredded this way, he is lying. Just like the black guy in your gym who supposedly lives on PB&J and is totally natural. I'm not saying he's lying, but I am saying you're gullible if you believe people from your gym so easily. Even if you considered him a friend, you're still not following him day-to-day, and again its a good chance he is lying.
Now, bare in mind that you are on a hardcore bodybuilding forum. You can come here and talk about science, but please post the scientific report you have where the effects of extreme macronutrient counts and/or hormone use were tested on humans. This forum is filled with people who want to be huge as well as filled with huge people. People who don't just read an article with some solid findings and come state it as fact, no, you have people that have done the real tests by just putting their body through trial and error. Your lack of credibility comes from the fact that you are speaking from a text book point of view, when in fact most anything bodybuilders do is not going to be found in any text book. That's why people ask to see your pictures. Its's not an insult or a childish thing to ask for that. You came here with a theory and stated it was fact. So you must believe in the diet you're preaching and use it on yourself. People want to see the physical evidence that shows the results of your belief, not just you spouting out that it's "based on science and many people do it." You are 18 though and when you're speaking with people who have read all the science, heard all the bro science, and tried most of it on themselves, you should respect that these people have more hands on experience, and although anyone can read the same information you have, far less people can speak from first hand experience.
good response it is doubtful he is returning though