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Title: is your job, who you "are?"
Post by: Obvious Gimmick on February 02, 2012, 06:32:01 AM
the economy is a bitch and people are getting laid off. Aside from the obvious financial diffculties this causes,  would being laid off effect who you are as a person?
Title: Re: is your job, who you "are?"
Post by: BigCyp on February 02, 2012, 06:42:32 AM
No but your mom is.
Title: Re: is your job, who you "are?"
Post by: Tito24 on February 02, 2012, 06:59:05 AM
your mom is my drug of choise
Title: Re: is your job, who you "are?"
Post by: Voland on February 02, 2012, 07:10:43 AM
nah i've always been broke but your mom doesn't mind.
Title: Re: is your job, who you "are?"
Post by: che on February 02, 2012, 07:15:40 AM
the economy is a bitch

So is your mom but I still love her .
Title: Re: is your job, who you "are?"
Post by: Tapeworm on February 02, 2012, 08:16:20 AM
Depends how much dealing with a lot fewer jackasses everyday changes me.  I'm guessing for the better.



And your mother is a dimestore whore.
Title: Re: is your job, who you "are?"
Post by: BayGBM on February 02, 2012, 08:31:47 AM
I’m trying to help a friend get a job right now.  He’s been out of work for a while and having money troubles, but helping him is proving harder than I thought it would be.  He doesn’t take advice very well, even going so far as to argue with me about whether or not he should apply for jobs that I have directed him to.  “That’s not for me” is a common sentiment.  As if staying home broke is for him.

He doesn’t seem to understand that writing cover letters and interviewing is a skill that he needs to practice and that being offered a job doesn’t mean he has to accept it.  Similarly, being interviewed and making a good impression is how you get your name in circulation.  Sigh! What I won't do for a bodybuilder!  ::)
Title: Re: is your job, who you "are?"
Post by: Tapeworm on February 02, 2012, 09:04:15 AM
I’m trying to help a friend get a job right now.  He’s been out of work for a while and having money troubles, but helping him is proving harder than I thought it would be.  He doesn’t take advice very well, even going so far as to argue with me about whether or not he should apply for jobs that I have directed him to.  “That’s not for me” is a common sentiment.  As if staying home broke is for him.

He doesn’t seem to understand that writing cover letters and interviewing is a skill that he needs to practice and that being offered a job doesn’t mean he has to accept it.  Similarly, being interviewed and making a good impression is how you get your name in circulation.  Sigh! What I would do for a bodybuilder!  ::)


You're normally a real hardass about people like that.  This 'friend' must be great looking. 

Know how lame middle aged guys look with some looked-after young woman in tow?  Don't turn into the queer version.
Title: Re: is your job, who you "are?"
Post by: AlphaMaleDawg on February 02, 2012, 09:12:03 AM
I'm a sales executive in the financial district, and no it really isn't who I am
Title: Re: is your job, who you "are?"
Post by: MORTALCOIL on February 02, 2012, 09:23:54 AM
I’m trying to help a friend get a job right now.  He’s been out of work for a while and having money troubles, but helping him is proving harder than I thought it would be.  He doesn’t take advice very well, even going so far as to argue with me about whether or not he should apply for jobs that I have directed him to.  “That’s not for me” is a common sentiment.  As if staying home broke is for him.

He doesn’t seem to understand that writing cover letters and interviewing is a skill that he needs to practice and that being offered a job doesn’t mean he has to accept it.  Similarly, being interviewed and making a good impression is how you get your name in circulation.  Sigh! What I won't do for a bodybuilder!  ::)


So Goodrum is a friend of yours?
Title: Re: is your job, who you "are?"
Post by: BayGBM on February 02, 2012, 09:26:16 AM
You're normally a real hardass about people like that.  This 'friend' must be great looking. 

Know how lame middle aged guys look with some looked-after young woman in tow?  Don't turn into the queer version.

What makes you think I'm a hard ass about people like that?  I'm a pussycat! :D

And if you mean someone like Hugh Hefner, I won't turn into the queer version of that; the other day he asked me for money and I flatly told him "no."
Title: Re: is your job, who you "are?"
Post by: Thespritz0 on February 02, 2012, 09:30:24 AM
the economy is a bitch and people are getting laid off. Aside from the obvious financial diffculties this causes,  would being laid off effect who you are as a person?
^^
I'm a Corrections Officer, so with another prison being built in my area no worries... ;)

Besides, what other occupation should I have got being in the military so damn long ??? ???
Title: Re: is your job, who you "are?"
Post by: SOMEPARTS on February 02, 2012, 09:32:01 AM
I’m trying to help a friend get a job right now.  He’s been out of work for a while and having money troubles, but helping him is proving harder than I thought it would be.  He doesn’t take advice very well, even going so far as to argue with me about whether or not he should apply for jobs that I have directed him to.  “That’s not for me” is a common sentiment.  As if staying home broke is for him.

He doesn’t seem to understand that writing cover letters and interviewing is a skill that he needs to practice and that being offered a job doesn’t mean he has to accept it.  Similarly, being interviewed and making a good impression is how you get your name in circulation.  Sigh! What I won't do for a bodybuilder!  ::)





There's nothing worse than giving a piece of shit good advice. Sorry, but that's what it is.

He hates your success and will actually do the OPPOSITE of what you advise. I have been there many times. It's easier to loan them some cash so they avoid you while they are in this mode.
Title: Re: is your job, who you "are?"
Post by: Tapeworm on February 02, 2012, 09:39:27 AM
the other day he asked me for money and I flatly told him "no."

Beat him until he ain't pretty no more.  Then see if you're still feeling so feline.

People who trade on their looks are in for a rude awakening.  Luckily, I never had to adjust to such a shock.
Title: Re: is your job, who you "are?"
Post by: sync pulse on February 02, 2012, 09:42:47 AM
the economy is a bitch and people are getting laid off. Aside from the obvious financial diffculties this causes,  would being laid off effect who you are as a person?

yes...
Title: Re: is your job, who you "are?"
Post by: BayGBM on February 02, 2012, 09:53:11 AM
^^
I'm a Corrections Officer, so with another prison being built in my area no worries... ;)

Besides, what other occupation should I have got being in the military so damn long ??? ???

• Police officer
• Security consultant
• Private investigator
• Bodyguard
• US Secret Service (the majority are former military)
• Security officer/investigator with a law firm (tons of well paid work there)
• Security officer with a private corporation/organization (again tons of work here; think GE, Apple, Google, Ford, International Paper, etc.).  They hire to protect property and people (company executives).*
• The private security firm business is booming both in the US and abroad.  You could work for such an organization or found your own.  Ever heard of Blackwater?  It was founded in 1997 by Erik Prince and it has made the former Navy SEAL a ton of money.

It is not really about where you could go or what you could do.  It has to do with how imaginative, resourceful, and entrepreneurial you are. Though you sort of answered that with your question above.  :-[


*True story: Marc Benioff (the billionaire CEO of Salesforce.com) lives near me on a street the locals call "Billionaire's Row."  Obviously, his house is huge and he routinely travels with security.  He also has a security team for his house… but he and his wife didn’t want the security guys roaming around their house and always in sight.  So they bought the huge house next door, and put all their security people over there… where they can be summoned with a shout or the push of a button.  Is their house likely to be burglarized?  No.  All things considered, I would say it is an easy gig, but you can bet their security folk are very well paid.
Title: Re: is your job, who you "are?"
Post by: Voland on February 02, 2012, 10:07:34 AM
Bay, I have no studies or skills, my physique is too manly for g4p and I like to work little to none.
What am i suited for? I want big bucks.
Title: Re: is your job, who you "are?"
Post by: BayGBM on February 02, 2012, 10:12:44 AM
Bay, I have no studies or skills, my physique is too manly for g4p and I like to work little to none.
What am i suited for? I want big bucks.

Allow me to introduce you Tom. http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=281208.0

Seriously, I think that Benioff security gig is a sweet deal.  They have security 24/7 so the guards basically live in the adjacent house (which is nicer than any house you are I will ever live in) and they have alternating work shifts.
Title: Re: is your job, who you "are?"
Post by: Thespritz0 on February 02, 2012, 01:21:25 PM
• Police officer
• Security consultant
• Private investigator
• Bodyguard
• US Secret Service (the majority are former military)
• Security officer/investigator with a law firm (tons of well paid work there)
• Security officer with a private corporation/organization (again tons of work here; think GE, Apple, Google, Ford, International Paper, etc.).  They hire to protect property and people (company executives).*
• The private security firm business is booming both in the US and abroad.  You could work for such an organization or found your own.  Ever heard of Blackwater?  It was founded in 1997 by Erik Prince and it has made the former Navy SEAL a ton of money.

It is not really about where you could go or what you could do.  It has to do with how imaginative, resourceful, and entrepreneurial you are. Though you sort of answered that with your question above.  :-[


*True story: Marc Benioff (the billionaire CEO of Salesforce.com) lives near me on a street the locals call "Billionaire's Row."  Obviously, his house is huge and he routinely travels with security.  He also has a security team for his house… but he and his wife didn’t want the security guys roaming around their house and always in sight.  So they bought the huge house next door, and put all their security people over there… where they can be summoned with a shout or the push of a button.  Is their house likely to be burglarized?  No.  All things considered, I would say it is an easy gig, but you can bet their security folk are very well paid.

^^
In retrospect, I guess I really wanted to stay safe where I am now, plus I already payed off my condo...
Title: Re: is your job, who you "are?"
Post by: Voland on February 02, 2012, 01:28:51 PM
Allow me to introduce you Tom. http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=281208.0

Seriously, I think that Benioff security gig is a sweet deal.  They have security 24/7 so the guards basically live in the adjacent house (which is nicer than any house you are I will ever live in) and they have alternating work shifts.

Tom sounds like me. I'm not 30 yet but time creeps up.
Unlike him i have no limits. I don't care if the job is legal, illegal or alegal. I'm a mercenary and money is all i'm after. Efficient money that is the most money for the least time. I believe unless you come from a wealthy family dirty fighting your way up is the only way.
I'm a warriors, sign me in for an epic battle.  8)
Title: Re: is your job, who you "are?"
Post by: B_B_C on February 02, 2012, 01:37:29 PM
 He doesn’t take advice very well,

"The only thing to do with good advice is pass it on"
"It's an odd thing, but anyone who disappears is said to be seen in San Francisco"
Oscar Wilde
Title: Re: is your job, who you "are?"
Post by: dr.chimps on February 02, 2012, 01:45:03 PM
Of course. Being employed, and being of value, has a lot to do with self-worth and character.
Title: Re: is your job, who you "are?"
Post by: Voland on February 02, 2012, 01:49:09 PM
Of course. Being employed, and being of value, has a lot to do with self-worth and character.

Self-employed is the key. Other won't ever pay you as much as you are worth. They will keep it for themselves. And assuming someone is paying you 401k/ year it means you are producing a shitload more for him. Why allow it? For for yourself. Keep it all.
You'll never be happy unless you're not told what to do. Its in human natural to lead not to follow.
Title: Re: is your job, who you "are?"
Post by: dr.chimps on February 02, 2012, 01:50:08 PM
Self-employed is the key. Other won't ever pay you as much as you are worth. They will keep it for themselves. And assuming someone is paying you 401k/ year it means you are producing a shitload more for him. Why allow it? For for yourself. Keep it all.
You'll never be happy unless you're not told what to do. Its in human natural to lead not to follow.
I am self-employed. But thanks for the lecture.
Title: Re: is your job, who you "are?"
Post by: Voland on February 02, 2012, 01:51:31 PM
I am self-employed. But thanks for the lecture.

Your mom told me to inspire you. You welcome.  :D
Title: Re: is your job, who you "are?"
Post by: dr.chimps on February 02, 2012, 01:55:04 PM
Your mom told me to inspire you. You welcome.  :D
2/10. Now, I know you can totally do better than that.     ;D
Title: Re: is your job, who you "are?"
Post by: Coach is Back! on February 02, 2012, 05:06:41 PM
Yes it is. I've even Obama proofed my business to make sure we continue to prosper just piss this dictator off.
Title: Re: is your job, who you "are?"
Post by: haider on February 02, 2012, 05:11:52 PM
Yes it is. I've even Obama proofed my business to make sure we continue to prosper just piss this dictator off.
Why an honest hard working guy like you involves himself in political BS is beyond me. Makes you look silly.
Title: Re: is your job, who you "are?"
Post by: LittleJ on February 02, 2012, 05:26:50 PM
Yeah I wish Coach wasn't that way
Title: Re: is your job, who you "are?"
Post by: Coach is Back! on February 02, 2012, 07:09:17 PM
Yeah I wish Coach wasn't that way

I'm not that way in real life......getbig isn't real life.
Title: Re: is your job, who you "are?"
Post by: hematocritter on February 02, 2012, 07:51:28 PM
I am self employed. Everyone always seems so jealous of it, and I agree it has its perks,
but people don't realize you are still a slave..... its just you are a slave to your customers
instead of a boss or multiple bosses. Also, depending on what you do, the work can sometimes
be around the clock. Another big problem is that it is hard to find good employees. No one
will take care of your business the way you would yourself.....it makes you micromanage, and
can turn you into a workaholic even if you don't initially have that mindset.
At least that has been my experience.
Title: Re: is your job, who you "are?"
Post by: Natural Man on February 02, 2012, 08:11:31 PM
A lot of little shits raised by singles moms without any father figures who stayed at home playing video games for years, abandoning studies and used to their mom spoonfeeding their sorry ass and  doing everything they want since childhood are going to be analy raped when the recession hits bottom and they ll have to battle millions of immigrants from the third world for the last remaining toughest jobs "nobody wants to do in occident". This is not going to end well. I wont even talk about the millions of white kids with useless studies / diplomas who stay at home with mommy until they reach their 30s , and there are even more and more cases of guys staying until they hit the..40s. Yeah, tough shit, nobody needs your "skills" when all that matters is to find a way to find food day by day simply in order to survive while billions of others people on earth do the same. Women dont want you either, as they want real men able to provide for a family.

Too many people mixed together thanks to globalization, fighting for a slice of bread, too many feminized, neutered, lazy immature white kids, and not enough jobs for everyone, a selection will have to be made. A massive selection.
Title: Re: is your job, who you "are?"
Post by: Stavios on February 02, 2012, 08:19:58 PM
I’m trying to help a friend get a job right now.  He’s been out of work for a while and having money troubles, but helping him is proving harder than I thought it would be.  He doesn’t take advice very well, even going so far as to argue with me about whether or not he should apply for jobs that I have directed him to.  “That’s not for me” is a common sentiment.  As if staying home broke is for him.

He doesn’t seem to understand that writing cover letters and interviewing is a skill that he needs to practice and that being offered a job doesn’t mean he has to accept it.  Similarly, being interviewed and making a good impression is how you get your name in circulation.  Sigh! What I won't do for a bodybuilder!  ::)


I always tought that for an interview, if you are really interested about the job, it will show threw your attitude and the interview will go perfectly fine.

always worked for me
Title: Re: is your job, who you "are?"
Post by: Tapeworm on February 03, 2012, 03:47:56 AM
I am self employed. Everyone always seems so jealous of it, and I agree it has its perks,
but people don't realize you are still a slave..... its just you are a slave to your customers
instead of a boss or multiple bosses. Also, depending on what you do, the work can sometimes
be around the clock. Another big problem is that it is hard to find good employees. No one
will take care of your business the way you would yourself.....it makes you micromanage, and
can turn you into a workaholic even if you don't initially have that mindset.
At least that has been my experience.

Spot on.
Title: Re: is your job, who you "are?"
Post by: Parker on February 03, 2012, 06:18:04 AM
^^
I'm a Corrections Officer, so with another prison being built in my area no worries... ;)

Besides, what other occupation should I have got being in the military so damn long ??? ???
When the economy goes south, crime goes up, drug abuse, alcoholism, domestic violence---they all go up...which means job security for you.
Title: Re: is your job, who you "are?"
Post by: MORTALCOIL on February 03, 2012, 06:20:19 AM
I am self employed. Everyone always seems so jealous of it, and I agree it has its perks,
but people don't realize you are still a slave..... its just you are a slave to your customers
instead of a boss or multiple bosses. Also, depending on what you do, the work can sometimes
be around the clock. Another big problem is that it is hard to find good employees. No one
will take care of your business the way you would yourself.....it makes you micromanage, and
can turn you into a workaholic even if you don't initially have that mindset.
At least that has been my experience.

 >:( I wrote that you..... in my head and you just happened to post it faster than I.
Title: Re: is your job, who you "are?"
Post by: the Algebra Wizard on February 03, 2012, 06:35:48 AM
i am my job ... 
Title: Re: is your job, who you "are?"
Post by: BayGBM on February 03, 2012, 07:21:00 AM
I always tought that for an interview, if you are really interested about the job, it will show threw your attitude and the interview will go perfectly fine.

always worked for me

Wrong.  I interview people all the time in small groups and large search committees.  There are a million ways to screw up an interview irrespective of how "interested" one is in the job.

By the way, that should be "through" not "threw."  If you made that mistake in a cover letter you would not even make it to an interview. :-X
Title: Re: is your job, who you "are?"
Post by: Thespritz0 on February 03, 2012, 07:38:42 AM
Wrong.  I interview people all the time in small groups and large search committees.  There are a million ways to screw up an interview irrespective of how "interested" one is in the job.

By the way, that should be "through" not "threw."  If you made that mistake in a cover letter you would not even make it to an interview. :-X
^^
Expand on this BAY, now this is interesting!  What are "common" screw-ups people do sometimes unwittingly in panel interviews??
Title: Re: is your job, who you "are?"
Post by: BayGBM on February 03, 2012, 09:55:39 AM
^^
Expand on this BAY, now this is interesting!  What are "common" screw-ups people do sometimes unwittingly in panel interviews??


The obvious:
• Showing up late.  Yes, people still do this.  It doesn't matter what the cause/excuse is.  It will be held against you.
• Dressing inappropriately.  This applies to men and women.
• Poor personal grooming.  Before the interview go to the rest room and make sure everything is OK.  You don't want a booger in your nose as you speak to a group of 5-12 people
• Appearing nervous.
• Not knowing anything about the company/organization.  "What do you know about General Electric?" is a typical interview question.  You should know when and where the company was founded, how many people work there, what the major products are, where geographically they operate, who the major competitors are, what have they been in the news for recently, etc.
• Not having several copies of your resume or list of references handy.  If someone asks you for either item the only correct answer is, “Yes, I have it right here.  Would you like a copy?”
• Everyone likes to brag about their “strengths” but you are likely to be asked about your “weaknesses” as well.  You should have thought this through long ago and have meaningful--but not fatal--weaknesses to share also adding information about how you are addressing those weaknesses.
• Not making eye contact with everyone in the room.  Your impulse may be to give eye contact to the search committee chair or to the person asking the specific question, but as you speak you must make eye contact with everyone in the room repeatedly.


The less obvious:
• Not rehearsing.  If you’ve been working consistently, you may not have interviewed for a long time and you are probably out of practice.  If you are of practice it will show.  You can mitigate this by rehearsing answers to typical questions and/or holding mock interviews with professional friends.  Answers to typical questions should roll off your tongue.
• Talking too fast.  This is often a function of being nervous.  Deal with it by rehearsing.  You want to appear calm and confident—not mousy, nervous or arrogant.
• Not having relevant examples ready.  Depending on the job you are likely to be asked for examples of problems you have solved or is sues you have addressed in the past.  Think this through before you get to the interview and have them ready to go.
• Not asking appropriate questions. Near the end of most interviews the leader of the search committee will likely ask if you “have any questions for us?”  You should.  Even if it is a day long interview and you are meeting with different groups throughout the day you must ask questions for each group—even if they are repeat questions.  Different constituents are evaluating you and the questions you ask are part of that.  If you do not ask intelligent questions that will be held against you.
• Having bad references.  It seems natural that the person you list as a reference would give you a good recommendation.  You would be surprised to know how often that is not true.  Be absolutely certain that you have chosen the right referees to speak well of you and your work ethic.  Many people are stabbed in the back here and they never know it. :-[
Title: Re: is your job, who you "are?"
Post by: Tito24 on February 03, 2012, 09:58:35 AM
im a paper boy im from paper
Title: Re: is your job, who you "are?"
Post by: Voland on February 03, 2012, 09:59:23 AM

The obvious:
• Showing up late.  Yes, people still do this.  It doesn't matter what the cause/excuse is.  It will be held against you.
• Dressing inappropriately.  This applies to men and women.
• Poor personal grooming.  Before the interview go to the rest room and make sure everything is OK.  You don't want a booger in your nose as you speak to a group of 5-12 people
• Appearing nervous.
• Not knowing anything about the company/organization.  "What do you know about General Electric?" is a typical interview question.  You should know when and where the company was founded, how many people work there, what the major products are, where geographically they operate, who the major competitors are, what have they been in the news for recently, etc.
• Not having several copies of your resume or list of references handy.  If someone asks you for either item the only correct answer is, “Yes, I have it right here.  Would you like a copy?”
• Everyone likes to brag about their “strengths” but you are likely to be asked about your “weaknesses” as well.  You should have thought this through long ago and have meaningful--but not fatal--weaknesses to share also adding information about how you are addressing those weaknesses.
• Not making eye contact with everyone in the room.  Your impulse may be to give eye contact to the search committee chair or to the person asking the specific question, but as you speak you must make eye contact with everyone in the room repeatedly.


The less obvious:
• Not rehearsing.  If you’ve been working consistently, you may not have interviewed for a long time and you are probably out of practice.  If you are of practice it will show.  You can mitigate this by rehearsing answers to typical questions and/or holding mock interviews with professional friends.  Answers to typical questions should roll off your tongue.
• Talking too fast.  This is often a function of being nervous.  Deal with it by rehearsing.  You want to appear calm and confident—not mousy, nervous or arrogant.
• Not having relevant examples ready.  Depending on the job you are likely to be asked for examples of problems you have solved or is sues you have addressed in the past.  Think this through before you get to the interview and have them ready to go.
• Not asking appropriate questions. Near the end of most interviews the leader of the search committee will likely ask if you “have any questions for us?”  You should.  Even if it is a day long interview and you are meeting with different groups throughout the day you must ask questions for each group—even if they are repeat questions.  Different constituents are evaluating you and the questions you ask are part of that.  If you do not ask intelligent questions that will be held against you.
• Having bad references.  It seems natural that the person you list a reference would give you a good recommendation.  You would be surprised to know how often that is not true.  Be absolutely certain that you have chosen the right referees to speak well of you and your work ethic.  Many people are stabbed in the back here and they never know it. :-[


Its seems people today are looking for someone who pretends to be good instead of someone who is good.

With this methodology a stage actor will have better chances at getting the job than a skilled individual.
Title: Re: is your job, who you "are?"
Post by: tu_holmes on February 03, 2012, 10:04:11 AM

The obvious:
• Showing up late.  Yes, people still do this.  It doesn't matter what the cause/excuse is.  It will be held against you.
• Dressing inappropriately.  This applies to men and women.
• Poor personal grooming.  Before the interview go to the rest room and make sure everything is OK.  You don't want a booger in your nose as you speak to a group of 5-12 people
• Appearing nervous.
• Not knowing anything about the company/organization.  "What do you know about General Electric?" is a typical interview question.  You should know when and where the company was founded, how many people work there, what the major products are, where geographically they operate, who the major competitors are, what have they been in the news for recently, etc.
• Not having several copies of your resume or list of references handy.  If someone asks you for either item the only correct answer is, “Yes, I have it right here.  Would you like a copy?”
• Everyone likes to brag about their “strengths” but you are likely to be asked about your “weaknesses” as well.  You should have thought this through long ago and have meaningful--but not fatal--weaknesses to share also adding information about how you are addressing those weaknesses.
• Not making eye contact with everyone in the room.  Your impulse may be to give eye contact to the search committee chair or to the person asking the specific question, but as you speak you must make eye contact with everyone in the room repeatedly.


The less obvious:
• Not rehearsing.  If you’ve been working consistently, you may not have interviewed for a long time and you are probably out of practice.  If you are of practice it will show.  You can mitigate this by rehearsing answers to typical questions and/or holding mock interviews with professional friends.  Answers to typical questions should roll off your tongue.
• Talking too fast.  This is often a function of being nervous.  Deal with it by rehearsing.  You want to appear calm and confident—not mousy, nervous or arrogant.
• Not having relevant examples ready.  Depending on the job you are likely to be asked for examples of problems you have solved or is sues you have addressed in the past.  Think this through before you get to the interview and have them ready to go.
• Not asking appropriate questions. Near the end of most interviews the leader of the search committee will likely ask if you “have any questions for us?”  You should.  Even if it is a day long interview and you are meeting with different groups throughout the day you must ask questions for each group—even if they are repeat questions.  Different constituents are evaluating you and the questions you ask are part of that.  If you do not ask intelligent questions that will be held against you.
• Having bad references.  It seems natural that the person you list as a reference would give you a good recommendation.  You would be surprised to know how often that is not true.  Be absolutely certain that you have chosen the right referees to speak well of you and your work ethic.  Many people are stabbed in the back here and they never know it. :-[


I agree with the "less obvious" list more so than the "obvious" list.

Title: Re: is your job, who you "are?"
Post by: BayGBM on February 03, 2012, 10:08:25 AM
Its seems people today are looking for someone who pretends to be good instead of someone who is good.

With this methodology a stage actor will have better chances at getting the job than a skilled individual.

Obviously, interviewing for a job and doing the job are two very different skills.  It is like the difference between campaigning for office and actually being effective in office or governing.  We have all seen this over the years, but if you can’t do the former well then you won’t get the chance to do the latter. ::)
Title: Re: is your job, who you "are?"
Post by: Voland on February 03, 2012, 10:28:55 AM
Obviously, interviewing for a job and doing the job are two very different skills.  It is like the difference between campaigning for office and actually being effective in office or governing.  We have all seen this over the years, but if you can’t do the former well then you won’t get the chance to do the latter. ::)

So would it be smarter to invest in acting classes rather than more studies? Considering i'm a very effective worker when im not lazy.
Title: Re: is your job, who you "are?"
Post by: Tito24 on February 03, 2012, 10:29:34 AM
i suggest you take some courses in creative writing
Title: Re: is your job, who you "are?"
Post by: local hero on February 03, 2012, 10:29:50 AM

The obvious:
• Showing up late.  Yes, people still do this.  It doesn't matter what the cause/excuse is.  It will be held against you.
• Dressing inappropriately.  This applies to men and women.
• Poor personal grooming.  Before the interview go to the rest room and make sure everything is OK.  You don't want a booger in your nose as you speak to a group of 5-12 people
• Appearing nervous.
• Not knowing anything about the company/organization.  "What do you know about General Electric?" is a typical interview question.  You should know when and where the company was founded, how many people work there, what the major products are, where geographically they operate, who the major competitors are, what have they been in the news for recently, etc.
• Not having several copies of your resume or list of references handy.  If someone asks you for either item the only correct answer is, “Yes, I have it right here.  Would you like a copy?”
• Everyone likes to brag about their “strengths” but you are likely to be asked about your “weaknesses” as well.  You should have thought this through long ago and have meaningful--but not fatal--weaknesses to share also adding information about how you are addressing those weaknesses.
• Not making eye contact with everyone in the room.  Your impulse may be to give eye contact to the search committee chair or to the person asking the specific question, but as you speak you must make eye contact with everyone in the room repeatedly.


The less obvious:
• Not rehearsing.  If you’ve been working consistently, you may not have interviewed for a long time and you are probably out of practice.  If you are of practice it will show.  You can mitigate this by rehearsing answers to typical questions and/or holding mock interviews with professional friends.  Answers to typical questions should roll off your tongue.
• Talking too fast.  This is often a function of being nervous.  Deal with it by rehearsing.  You want to appear calm and confident—not mousy, nervous or arrogant.
• Not having relevant examples ready.  Depending on the job you are likely to be asked for examples of problems you have solved or is sues you have addressed in the past.  Think this through before you get to the interview and have them ready to go.
• Not asking appropriate questions. Near the end of most interviews the leader of the search committee will likely ask if you “have any questions for us?”  You should.  Even if it is a day long interview and you are meeting with different groups throughout the day you must ask questions for each group—even if they are repeat questions.  Different constituents are evaluating you and the questions you ask are part of that.  If you do not ask intelligent questions that will be held against you.
• Having bad references.  It seems natural that the person you list as a reference would give you a good recommendation.  You would be surprised to know how often that is not true.  Be absolutely certain that you have chosen the right referees to speak well of you and your work ethic.  Many people are stabbed in the back here and they never know it. :-[



excellent post, ive worked for the same firm since i was 16 and was totally out of practice going for an interview the other week, i did get stumped elaborating on certain questions,,,,,, obviously driving home all the points i could have came across popped into my head ... it definatly is a skill that you loose, id be very confident going in next time tho

as to is your job who you are, if your a tradesman it more than likely is, if you have any pride in your work that is....
Title: Re: is your job, who you "are?"
Post by: Voland on February 03, 2012, 10:32:03 AM
i suggest you take some courses in creative writing

I'm an excellent writer (in spanish). I've publishes some articles and essays.
Title: Re: is your job, who you "are?"
Post by: Tapeworm on February 03, 2012, 06:22:32 PM
How much muscle is it appropriate to show at an interview these days?
Title: Re: is your job, who you "are?"
Post by: Natural Man on February 03, 2012, 06:48:24 PM
on a side note you can also hunt, cultivate vegetables or fish to get your food instead of going to the mall and being forced to work a job.
Title: Re: is your job, who you "are?"
Post by: Stavios on February 03, 2012, 06:52:29 PM
Wrong.  I interview people all the time in small groups and large search committees.  There are a million ways to screw up an interview irrespective of how "interested" one is in the job.

By the way, that should be "through" not "threw."  If you made that mistake in a cover letter you would not even make it to an interview. :-X

english isn't my first langage, I'm doing my best don't be an asshole  >:(
Title: Re: is your job, who you "are?"
Post by: Stavios on February 03, 2012, 06:56:18 PM

The obvious:
• Showing up late.  Yes, people still do this.  It doesn't matter what the cause/excuse is.  It will be held against you.
• Dressing inappropriately.  This applies to men and women.
• Poor personal grooming.  Before the interview go to the rest room and make sure everything is OK.  You don't want a booger in your nose as you speak to a group of 5-12 people
• Appearing nervous.
• Not knowing anything about the company/organization.  "What do you know about General Electric?" is a typical interview question.  You should know when and where the company was founded, how many people work there, what the major products are, where geographically they operate, who the major competitors are, what have they been in the news for recently, etc.
• Not having several copies of your resume or list of references handy.  If someone asks you for either item the only correct answer is, “Yes, I have it right here.  Would you like a copy?”
• Everyone likes to brag about their “strengths” but you are likely to be asked about your “weaknesses” as well.  You should have thought this through long ago and have meaningful--but not fatal--weaknesses to share also adding information about how you are addressing those weaknesses.
• Not making eye contact with everyone in the room.  Your impulse may be to give eye contact to the search committee chair or to the person asking the specific question, but as you speak you must make eye contact with everyone in the room repeatedly.


The less obvious:
• Not rehearsing.  If you’ve been working consistently, you may not have interviewed for a long time and you are probably out of practice.  If you are of practice it will show.  You can mitigate this by rehearsing answers to typical questions and/or holding mock interviews with professional friends.  Answers to typical questions should roll off your tongue.
• Talking too fast.  This is often a function of being nervous.  Deal with it by rehearsing.  You want to appear calm and confident—not mousy, nervous or arrogant.
• Not having relevant examples ready.  Depending on the job you are likely to be asked for examples of problems you have solved or is sues you have addressed in the past.  Think this through before you get to the interview and have them ready to go.
• Not asking appropriate questions. Near the end of most interviews the leader of the search committee will likely ask if you “have any questions for us?”  You should.  Even if it is a day long interview and you are meeting with different groups throughout the day you must ask questions for each group—even if they are repeat questions.  Different constituents are evaluating you and the questions you ask are part of that.  If you do not ask intelligent questions that will be held against you.
• Having bad references.  It seems natural that the person you list as a reference would give you a good recommendation.  You would be surprised to know how often that is not true.  Be absolutely certain that you have chosen the right referees to speak well of you and your work ethic.  Many people are stabbed in the back here and they never know it. :-[


those are all obvious IMO, but I have worked in human ressources before so maybe I'm just used to seeing interviews
Title: Re: is your job, who you "are?"
Post by: Natural Man on February 03, 2012, 07:17:08 PM
The best way to succeed in an interview...is to multiply interviews. That's the most obvious tip you failed to mention.
Title: Re: is your job, who you "are?"
Post by: Stavios on February 03, 2012, 07:26:44 PM
The best way to succeed in an interview...is to multiply interviews. That's the most obvious tip you failed to mention.


what do you mean by that ?
Title: Re: is your job, who you "are?"
Post by: wes on February 03, 2012, 07:29:20 PM
I didn`t understand it either.
Title: Re: is your job, who you "are?"
Post by: Stavios on February 03, 2012, 07:30:13 PM
I didn`t understand it either.

yeah but you are old, you never understand shit  ;D
Title: Re: is your job, who you "are?"
Post by: wes on February 03, 2012, 07:30:35 PM
You fucker!1  ;D
Title: Re: is your job, who you "are?"
Post by: haider on February 03, 2012, 07:33:20 PM

what do you mean by that ?
It means you lacked a father figure in life. Sorry to say Stavios  :'(


I think he meant your chances of success are better if u get more interviews. So if u bomb interviews 9/10 but u only apply to 5 jobs your chances are lower than ig u tried to get more interviews. Cant say i disagree, it seems people aim for a few companies and miss out on a lot of oppurtunities.

Your lesson of the day, girls and sons.
Title: Re: is your job, who you "are?"
Post by: apply85 on February 03, 2012, 07:34:15 PM
he meant you increase amount of successful interviews by going to more interviews

and bay, what is the worst backstab u ever witnessed? tell a story of someone giving a totally awful reference
Title: Re: is your job, who you "are?"
Post by: The Abdominal Snoman on February 03, 2012, 07:37:07 PM
Trending tonight on Getbig..."CIA/NSA facebook type question to read your soul"
Title: Re: is your job, who you "are?"
Post by: apply85 on February 03, 2012, 07:40:39 PM
oh, and the correct answer to a couple general questions people get in interviews:

why do u think u would make a good xyz?

I try to be the best at whatever i do, be it abc or xyz

do u have any questions for me?

what would u expect of me i got the position of xyz
Title: Re: is your job, who you "are?"
Post by: Tapeworm on February 03, 2012, 07:46:54 PM
bomb

Homeland Security
Title: Re: is your job, who you "are?"
Post by: Natural Man on February 03, 2012, 08:35:01 PM
It means you lacked a father figure in life. Sorry to say Stavios  :'(


I think he meant your chances of success are better if u get more interviews. So if u bomb interviews 9/10 but u only apply to 5 jobs your chances are lower than ig u tried to get more interviews. Cant say i disagree, it seems people aim for a few companies and miss out on a lot of oppurtunities.

Your lesson of the day, girls and sons.
basically what i attempted to say yeah but also  that doing so you get more and more confortable until at some point you re relaxed enough in most of your interviews.

But i also meant that it's all about finding the people who will like you for who you are. Let's not make it more complicated than it is; interviewers either like or hate you at the very first stare, as simple as that. I often can tell from the get go if it's alrdy toast. HR recruiters take a lot of pleasure letting you believe they actually like you, when in fact they dont. Even, if you have what is required for the job.  But at some point in life, you know when they re bullshiting you politely for 20 minutes and when they re really interested in your profile.
So in order to succeed you have to multiply contacts until you find someone who shares common personality traits with you. Most of my bosses were either guys who were a substitute of my older brother or father figures in search of a son. Three of my colleagues/managers in three different jobs who recruited me,  were 3 or 4 years older than me (the age of my own older brother) and had little brothers the same age as me or younger for example.
Title: Re: is your job, who you "are?"
Post by: LittleJ on February 04, 2012, 07:00:03 AM
Obviously, interviewing for a job and doing the job are two very different skills.  It is like the difference between campaigning for office and actually being effective in office or governing.  We have all seen this over the years, but if you can’t do the former well then you won’t get the chance to do the latter. ::)

What if he is a cute bodybuilder. You're going to give him the job, right?
Title: Re: is your job, who you "are?"
Post by: Natural Man on February 04, 2012, 07:07:31 AM
the job is most of the time not hard to master in itself, what's tough, daily and requires the more "work", are relationships with others...and it includes somehow the interview itself as it is the first kind of relationship you re going to have with your job's environment.
Title: Re: is your job, who you "are?"
Post by: apply85 on February 04, 2012, 08:15:14 AM
uberman is mr smartypants in this thread
Title: Re: is your job, who you "are?"
Post by: James28 on February 04, 2012, 11:24:42 AM
No. I work as an IT Consultant. More specifically with SAP lately and Point Of Sale systems usually. Money is great and I get to travel a lot. I'm in South Africa right now with one of our clients based in Cape Town. Flying to Johannesburg tomorrow, back to UK on Monday before heading to Barcelona next Wednesday. So, I get around but the amount of Kcunts you have to deal with is mind blowing. It's the type of industry where 1up-manship is rife and backstabbing the order of the day. Dealing with IT people, especially at director level is castrating at times. Endless meetings, conferencing, troubleshooting, presentations, etc. So no, it's not particularly good.

What I want to do is to work for the United Nations, or EU, or one of the big international organisations as a lawyer, particularly focusing on their third world development programs. I'm 31 now and made it my goal to be in that position at 35.
Title: Re: is your job, who you "are?"
Post by: Raymondo on February 04, 2012, 12:04:10 PM
No. I work as an IT Consultant. More specifically with SAP lately and Point Of Sale systems usually. Money is great and I get to travel a lot. I'm in South Africa right now with one of our clients based in Cape Town. Flying to Johannesburg tomorrow, back to UK on Monday before heading to Barcelona next Wednesday. So, I get around but the amount of Kcunts you have to deal with is mind blowing. It's the type of industry where 1up-manship is rife and backstabbing the order of the day. Dealing with IT people, especially at director level is castrating at times. Endless meetings, conferencing, troubleshooting, presentations, etc. So no, it's not particularly good.

What I want to do is to work for the United Nations, or EU, or one of the big international organisations as a lawyer, particularly focusing on their third world development programs. I'm 31 now and made it my goal to be in that position at 35.

how do you reconcile weightlifting and proper eating with a busy traveling schedule?
Title: Re: is your job, who you "are?"
Post by: jonsande on February 04, 2012, 01:21:43 PM
Lawyer here.  And no, it's not who I am.  I'm not an ass, OCD, or a fan of silly formalities with no meaning.  I should get back into the ad business....now thatwas some fun shit.