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Re: is your job, who you "are?"
« Reply #25 on: February 02, 2012, 01:55:04 PM »
Your mom told me to inspire you. You welcome.  :D
2/10. Now, I know you can totally do better than that.     ;D

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Re: is your job, who you "are?"
« Reply #26 on: February 02, 2012, 05:06:41 PM »
Yes it is. I've even Obama proofed my business to make sure we continue to prosper just piss this dictator off.

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Re: is your job, who you "are?"
« Reply #27 on: February 02, 2012, 05:11:52 PM »
Yes it is. I've even Obama proofed my business to make sure we continue to prosper just piss this dictator off.
Why an honest hard working guy like you involves himself in political BS is beyond me. Makes you look silly.
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Re: is your job, who you "are?"
« Reply #28 on: February 02, 2012, 05:26:50 PM »
Yeah I wish Coach wasn't that way

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Re: is your job, who you "are?"
« Reply #29 on: February 02, 2012, 07:09:17 PM »
Yeah I wish Coach wasn't that way

I'm not that way in real life......getbig isn't real life.

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Re: is your job, who you "are?"
« Reply #30 on: February 02, 2012, 07:51:28 PM »
I am self employed. Everyone always seems so jealous of it, and I agree it has its perks,
but people don't realize you are still a slave..... its just you are a slave to your customers
instead of a boss or multiple bosses. Also, depending on what you do, the work can sometimes
be around the clock. Another big problem is that it is hard to find good employees. No one
will take care of your business the way you would yourself.....it makes you micromanage, and
can turn you into a workaholic even if you don't initially have that mindset.
At least that has been my experience.

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Re: is your job, who you "are?"
« Reply #31 on: February 02, 2012, 08:11:31 PM »
A lot of little shits raised by singles moms without any father figures who stayed at home playing video games for years, abandoning studies and used to their mom spoonfeeding their sorry ass and  doing everything they want since childhood are going to be analy raped when the recession hits bottom and they ll have to battle millions of immigrants from the third world for the last remaining toughest jobs "nobody wants to do in occident". This is not going to end well. I wont even talk about the millions of white kids with useless studies / diplomas who stay at home with mommy until they reach their 30s , and there are even more and more cases of guys staying until they hit the..40s. Yeah, tough shit, nobody needs your "skills" when all that matters is to find a way to find food day by day simply in order to survive while billions of others people on earth do the same. Women dont want you either, as they want real men able to provide for a family.

Too many people mixed together thanks to globalization, fighting for a slice of bread, too many feminized, neutered, lazy immature white kids, and not enough jobs for everyone, a selection will have to be made. A massive selection.

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Re: is your job, who you "are?"
« Reply #32 on: February 02, 2012, 08:19:58 PM »
I’m trying to help a friend get a job right now.  He’s been out of work for a while and having money troubles, but helping him is proving harder than I thought it would be.  He doesn’t take advice very well, even going so far as to argue with me about whether or not he should apply for jobs that I have directed him to.  “That’s not for me” is a common sentiment.  As if staying home broke is for him.

He doesn’t seem to understand that writing cover letters and interviewing is a skill that he needs to practice and that being offered a job doesn’t mean he has to accept it.  Similarly, being interviewed and making a good impression is how you get your name in circulation.  Sigh! What I won't do for a bodybuilder!  ::)


I always tought that for an interview, if you are really interested about the job, it will show threw your attitude and the interview will go perfectly fine.

always worked for me

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Re: is your job, who you "are?"
« Reply #33 on: February 03, 2012, 03:47:56 AM »
I am self employed. Everyone always seems so jealous of it, and I agree it has its perks,
but people don't realize you are still a slave..... its just you are a slave to your customers
instead of a boss or multiple bosses. Also, depending on what you do, the work can sometimes
be around the clock. Another big problem is that it is hard to find good employees. No one
will take care of your business the way you would yourself.....it makes you micromanage, and
can turn you into a workaholic even if you don't initially have that mindset.
At least that has been my experience.

Spot on.

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Re: is your job, who you "are?"
« Reply #34 on: February 03, 2012, 06:18:04 AM »
^^
I'm a Corrections Officer, so with another prison being built in my area no worries... ;)

Besides, what other occupation should I have got being in the military so damn long ??? ???
When the economy goes south, crime goes up, drug abuse, alcoholism, domestic violence---they all go up...which means job security for you.

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Re: is your job, who you "are?"
« Reply #35 on: February 03, 2012, 06:20:19 AM »
I am self employed. Everyone always seems so jealous of it, and I agree it has its perks,
but people don't realize you are still a slave..... its just you are a slave to your customers
instead of a boss or multiple bosses. Also, depending on what you do, the work can sometimes
be around the clock. Another big problem is that it is hard to find good employees. No one
will take care of your business the way you would yourself.....it makes you micromanage, and
can turn you into a workaholic even if you don't initially have that mindset.
At least that has been my experience.

 >:( I wrote that you..... in my head and you just happened to post it faster than I.

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Re: is your job, who you "are?"
« Reply #36 on: February 03, 2012, 06:35:48 AM »
i am my job ... 

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Re: is your job, who you "are?"
« Reply #37 on: February 03, 2012, 07:21:00 AM »
I always tought that for an interview, if you are really interested about the job, it will show threw your attitude and the interview will go perfectly fine.

always worked for me

Wrong.  I interview people all the time in small groups and large search committees.  There are a million ways to screw up an interview irrespective of how "interested" one is in the job.

By the way, that should be "through" not "threw."  If you made that mistake in a cover letter you would not even make it to an interview. :-X

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Re: is your job, who you "are?"
« Reply #38 on: February 03, 2012, 07:38:42 AM »
Wrong.  I interview people all the time in small groups and large search committees.  There are a million ways to screw up an interview irrespective of how "interested" one is in the job.

By the way, that should be "through" not "threw."  If you made that mistake in a cover letter you would not even make it to an interview. :-X
^^
Expand on this BAY, now this is interesting!  What are "common" screw-ups people do sometimes unwittingly in panel interviews??

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Re: is your job, who you "are?"
« Reply #39 on: February 03, 2012, 09:55:39 AM »
^^
Expand on this BAY, now this is interesting!  What are "common" screw-ups people do sometimes unwittingly in panel interviews??


The obvious:
• Showing up late.  Yes, people still do this.  It doesn't matter what the cause/excuse is.  It will be held against you.
• Dressing inappropriately.  This applies to men and women.
• Poor personal grooming.  Before the interview go to the rest room and make sure everything is OK.  You don't want a booger in your nose as you speak to a group of 5-12 people
• Appearing nervous.
• Not knowing anything about the company/organization.  "What do you know about General Electric?" is a typical interview question.  You should know when and where the company was founded, how many people work there, what the major products are, where geographically they operate, who the major competitors are, what have they been in the news for recently, etc.
• Not having several copies of your resume or list of references handy.  If someone asks you for either item the only correct answer is, “Yes, I have it right here.  Would you like a copy?”
• Everyone likes to brag about their “strengths” but you are likely to be asked about your “weaknesses” as well.  You should have thought this through long ago and have meaningful--but not fatal--weaknesses to share also adding information about how you are addressing those weaknesses.
• Not making eye contact with everyone in the room.  Your impulse may be to give eye contact to the search committee chair or to the person asking the specific question, but as you speak you must make eye contact with everyone in the room repeatedly.


The less obvious:
• Not rehearsing.  If you’ve been working consistently, you may not have interviewed for a long time and you are probably out of practice.  If you are of practice it will show.  You can mitigate this by rehearsing answers to typical questions and/or holding mock interviews with professional friends.  Answers to typical questions should roll off your tongue.
• Talking too fast.  This is often a function of being nervous.  Deal with it by rehearsing.  You want to appear calm and confident—not mousy, nervous or arrogant.
• Not having relevant examples ready.  Depending on the job you are likely to be asked for examples of problems you have solved or is sues you have addressed in the past.  Think this through before you get to the interview and have them ready to go.
• Not asking appropriate questions. Near the end of most interviews the leader of the search committee will likely ask if you “have any questions for us?”  You should.  Even if it is a day long interview and you are meeting with different groups throughout the day you must ask questions for each group—even if they are repeat questions.  Different constituents are evaluating you and the questions you ask are part of that.  If you do not ask intelligent questions that will be held against you.
• Having bad references.  It seems natural that the person you list as a reference would give you a good recommendation.  You would be surprised to know how often that is not true.  Be absolutely certain that you have chosen the right referees to speak well of you and your work ethic.  Many people are stabbed in the back here and they never know it. :-[

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Re: is your job, who you "are?"
« Reply #40 on: February 03, 2012, 09:58:35 AM »
im a paper boy im from paper

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Re: is your job, who you "are?"
« Reply #41 on: February 03, 2012, 09:59:23 AM »

The obvious:
• Showing up late.  Yes, people still do this.  It doesn't matter what the cause/excuse is.  It will be held against you.
• Dressing inappropriately.  This applies to men and women.
• Poor personal grooming.  Before the interview go to the rest room and make sure everything is OK.  You don't want a booger in your nose as you speak to a group of 5-12 people
• Appearing nervous.
• Not knowing anything about the company/organization.  "What do you know about General Electric?" is a typical interview question.  You should know when and where the company was founded, how many people work there, what the major products are, where geographically they operate, who the major competitors are, what have they been in the news for recently, etc.
• Not having several copies of your resume or list of references handy.  If someone asks you for either item the only correct answer is, “Yes, I have it right here.  Would you like a copy?”
• Everyone likes to brag about their “strengths” but you are likely to be asked about your “weaknesses” as well.  You should have thought this through long ago and have meaningful--but not fatal--weaknesses to share also adding information about how you are addressing those weaknesses.
• Not making eye contact with everyone in the room.  Your impulse may be to give eye contact to the search committee chair or to the person asking the specific question, but as you speak you must make eye contact with everyone in the room repeatedly.


The less obvious:
• Not rehearsing.  If you’ve been working consistently, you may not have interviewed for a long time and you are probably out of practice.  If you are of practice it will show.  You can mitigate this by rehearsing answers to typical questions and/or holding mock interviews with professional friends.  Answers to typical questions should roll off your tongue.
• Talking too fast.  This is often a function of being nervous.  Deal with it by rehearsing.  You want to appear calm and confident—not mousy, nervous or arrogant.
• Not having relevant examples ready.  Depending on the job you are likely to be asked for examples of problems you have solved or is sues you have addressed in the past.  Think this through before you get to the interview and have them ready to go.
• Not asking appropriate questions. Near the end of most interviews the leader of the search committee will likely ask if you “have any questions for us?”  You should.  Even if it is a day long interview and you are meeting with different groups throughout the day you must ask questions for each group—even if they are repeat questions.  Different constituents are evaluating you and the questions you ask are part of that.  If you do not ask intelligent questions that will be held against you.
• Having bad references.  It seems natural that the person you list a reference would give you a good recommendation.  You would be surprised to know how often that is not true.  Be absolutely certain that you have chosen the right referees to speak well of you and your work ethic.  Many people are stabbed in the back here and they never know it. :-[


Its seems people today are looking for someone who pretends to be good instead of someone who is good.

With this methodology a stage actor will have better chances at getting the job than a skilled individual.
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Re: is your job, who you "are?"
« Reply #42 on: February 03, 2012, 10:04:11 AM »

The obvious:
• Showing up late.  Yes, people still do this.  It doesn't matter what the cause/excuse is.  It will be held against you.
• Dressing inappropriately.  This applies to men and women.
• Poor personal grooming.  Before the interview go to the rest room and make sure everything is OK.  You don't want a booger in your nose as you speak to a group of 5-12 people
• Appearing nervous.
• Not knowing anything about the company/organization.  "What do you know about General Electric?" is a typical interview question.  You should know when and where the company was founded, how many people work there, what the major products are, where geographically they operate, who the major competitors are, what have they been in the news for recently, etc.
• Not having several copies of your resume or list of references handy.  If someone asks you for either item the only correct answer is, “Yes, I have it right here.  Would you like a copy?”
• Everyone likes to brag about their “strengths” but you are likely to be asked about your “weaknesses” as well.  You should have thought this through long ago and have meaningful--but not fatal--weaknesses to share also adding information about how you are addressing those weaknesses.
• Not making eye contact with everyone in the room.  Your impulse may be to give eye contact to the search committee chair or to the person asking the specific question, but as you speak you must make eye contact with everyone in the room repeatedly.


The less obvious:
• Not rehearsing.  If you’ve been working consistently, you may not have interviewed for a long time and you are probably out of practice.  If you are of practice it will show.  You can mitigate this by rehearsing answers to typical questions and/or holding mock interviews with professional friends.  Answers to typical questions should roll off your tongue.
• Talking too fast.  This is often a function of being nervous.  Deal with it by rehearsing.  You want to appear calm and confident—not mousy, nervous or arrogant.
• Not having relevant examples ready.  Depending on the job you are likely to be asked for examples of problems you have solved or is sues you have addressed in the past.  Think this through before you get to the interview and have them ready to go.
• Not asking appropriate questions. Near the end of most interviews the leader of the search committee will likely ask if you “have any questions for us?”  You should.  Even if it is a day long interview and you are meeting with different groups throughout the day you must ask questions for each group—even if they are repeat questions.  Different constituents are evaluating you and the questions you ask are part of that.  If you do not ask intelligent questions that will be held against you.
• Having bad references.  It seems natural that the person you list as a reference would give you a good recommendation.  You would be surprised to know how often that is not true.  Be absolutely certain that you have chosen the right referees to speak well of you and your work ethic.  Many people are stabbed in the back here and they never know it. :-[


I agree with the "less obvious" list more so than the "obvious" list.


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Re: is your job, who you "are?"
« Reply #43 on: February 03, 2012, 10:08:25 AM »
Its seems people today are looking for someone who pretends to be good instead of someone who is good.

With this methodology a stage actor will have better chances at getting the job than a skilled individual.

Obviously, interviewing for a job and doing the job are two very different skills.  It is like the difference between campaigning for office and actually being effective in office or governing.  We have all seen this over the years, but if you can’t do the former well then you won’t get the chance to do the latter. ::)

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Re: is your job, who you "are?"
« Reply #44 on: February 03, 2012, 10:28:55 AM »
Obviously, interviewing for a job and doing the job are two very different skills.  It is like the difference between campaigning for office and actually being effective in office or governing.  We have all seen this over the years, but if you can’t do the former well then you won’t get the chance to do the latter. ::)

So would it be smarter to invest in acting classes rather than more studies? Considering i'm a very effective worker when im not lazy.
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Re: is your job, who you "are?"
« Reply #45 on: February 03, 2012, 10:29:34 AM »
i suggest you take some courses in creative writing

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Re: is your job, who you "are?"
« Reply #46 on: February 03, 2012, 10:29:50 AM »

The obvious:
• Showing up late.  Yes, people still do this.  It doesn't matter what the cause/excuse is.  It will be held against you.
• Dressing inappropriately.  This applies to men and women.
• Poor personal grooming.  Before the interview go to the rest room and make sure everything is OK.  You don't want a booger in your nose as you speak to a group of 5-12 people
• Appearing nervous.
• Not knowing anything about the company/organization.  "What do you know about General Electric?" is a typical interview question.  You should know when and where the company was founded, how many people work there, what the major products are, where geographically they operate, who the major competitors are, what have they been in the news for recently, etc.
• Not having several copies of your resume or list of references handy.  If someone asks you for either item the only correct answer is, “Yes, I have it right here.  Would you like a copy?”
• Everyone likes to brag about their “strengths” but you are likely to be asked about your “weaknesses” as well.  You should have thought this through long ago and have meaningful--but not fatal--weaknesses to share also adding information about how you are addressing those weaknesses.
• Not making eye contact with everyone in the room.  Your impulse may be to give eye contact to the search committee chair or to the person asking the specific question, but as you speak you must make eye contact with everyone in the room repeatedly.


The less obvious:
• Not rehearsing.  If you’ve been working consistently, you may not have interviewed for a long time and you are probably out of practice.  If you are of practice it will show.  You can mitigate this by rehearsing answers to typical questions and/or holding mock interviews with professional friends.  Answers to typical questions should roll off your tongue.
• Talking too fast.  This is often a function of being nervous.  Deal with it by rehearsing.  You want to appear calm and confident—not mousy, nervous or arrogant.
• Not having relevant examples ready.  Depending on the job you are likely to be asked for examples of problems you have solved or is sues you have addressed in the past.  Think this through before you get to the interview and have them ready to go.
• Not asking appropriate questions. Near the end of most interviews the leader of the search committee will likely ask if you “have any questions for us?”  You should.  Even if it is a day long interview and you are meeting with different groups throughout the day you must ask questions for each group—even if they are repeat questions.  Different constituents are evaluating you and the questions you ask are part of that.  If you do not ask intelligent questions that will be held against you.
• Having bad references.  It seems natural that the person you list as a reference would give you a good recommendation.  You would be surprised to know how often that is not true.  Be absolutely certain that you have chosen the right referees to speak well of you and your work ethic.  Many people are stabbed in the back here and they never know it. :-[



excellent post, ive worked for the same firm since i was 16 and was totally out of practice going for an interview the other week, i did get stumped elaborating on certain questions,,,,,, obviously driving home all the points i could have came across popped into my head ... it definatly is a skill that you loose, id be very confident going in next time tho

as to is your job who you are, if your a tradesman it more than likely is, if you have any pride in your work that is....

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Re: is your job, who you "are?"
« Reply #47 on: February 03, 2012, 10:32:03 AM »
i suggest you take some courses in creative writing

I'm an excellent writer (in spanish). I've publishes some articles and essays.
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Re: is your job, who you "are?"
« Reply #48 on: February 03, 2012, 06:22:32 PM »
How much muscle is it appropriate to show at an interview these days?

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Re: is your job, who you "are?"
« Reply #49 on: February 03, 2012, 06:48:24 PM »
on a side note you can also hunt, cultivate vegetables or fish to get your food instead of going to the mall and being forced to work a job.