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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Bad Boy Dazza on February 07, 2012, 11:41:59 PM
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The detail and hardness of his back over the bloofy looking muscles of Ronnie any day.
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Which world do you live in?
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Which world do you live in?
The real one. Few could touch Dorian when it came to conditioning.
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PLEASE say youre kidding .
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Yo getbig, I like dorian and ronnie, and Ima let you finish
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BUT LEE HANEY WAS THE BEST BODYBUILDER OF ALL TIME
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lee haney and rich gaspari had small arms, judging historically.
today, with GH, they'd have huge arms... and bellies to match.
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ronnie's back shits all over dorian: even at his 95 hardest.
no contest here. but dorian did have the second greatest back ever
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Great pic of Coleman from 1999.
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ronnie's back shits all over dorian: even at his 95 hardest.
no contest here. but dorian did have the second greatest back ever
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The detail and hardness of his back over the bloofy looking muscles of Ronnie any day.
how many times are we going to do this topic in a thread i must be stuck in ground hog day.
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the reason i posted this vid up on youtube. this was Yates at his best. nothing touches this. ever.
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^^ This is MEGA!
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Awesome, too bad you have 2 shots of Dorian from the same year, and 2 shots of Ronnie from 2 different years, one from one of his better conditioned and the other from his widest/largest
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Great idea for a thread... ::)
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Awesome, too bad you have 2 shots of Dorian from the same year, and 2 shots of Ronnie from 2 different years, one from one of his better conditioned and the other from his widest/largest
That's why I posted two different ones. Dorian was arguable at his most conditioned and widest/largest there, so I wanted to put him up against arguably Ronnie's best BDB and arguably Ronnie's best RLS. That is all.
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That's why I posted two different ones. Dorian was arguable at his most conditioned and widest/largest there, so I wanted to put him up against arguably Ronnie's best BDB and arguably Ronnie's best RLS. That is all.
I wasnt complaining, just said it was a shame you didnt have 2 gifs from the same contest.
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I wasnt complaining, just said it was a shame you didnt have 2 gifs from the same contest.
I have plenty.
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Great pic of Coleman from 1999.
insane. dorian's back never looked that thick in a rear double bi in a million years :o
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Yates had a better back but Coleman was more impressive overall. End of the thread
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This pic sequence really shows how much better Dorian was than Ronnie. Dorian is on another level. Sorry Hulkster but don't feel bad, Ronnie is the 2nd best!
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This pic sequence really shows how much better Dorian was than Ronnie. Dorian is on another level. Sorry Hulkster but don't feel bad, Ronnie is the 2nd best!
Two greatest Mr. Olympia's we'll probably ever see. The Yates from the 96 German GP is the only version of Yates that beats or comes close to the best of Coleman.
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Now hold on there. I need a flux capacitor, 1.21 gigawatts of electricity, and a 1982 DeLorean and I can end this insanity once and for all. Someone PM when the necessary items are acquired. I may need a little weapons grade plutonium as well.
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insane. dorian's back never looked that thick in a rear double bi in a million years :o
No no of course not ::) never oh heres a Pic comparison on a more NEUTRAL set of lighting with no SHADOWS, Dim overhead lighting, angles, Sharpened-Screen-caps etc etc etc your Hero @ his (or near) Best and Yates @ his worst....yip no where near Coleman's Thickness in the back Department good call.
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Ronnie Coleman is the best bodybuilder of all time.
I cant understand how ppl think that Dorian looks better in any way.
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Ronnie Coleman is the best bodybuilder of all time.
I cant understand how ppl think that Dorian looks better in any way.
The debate is not who looks better, it's how the IFBB judging criteria would be applied to them.
It's also about taking the worst photos of one and putting them next to the best of the other.
Oh, and name calling. Lots of name calling.
Anyway, looking at those gifs side by side you can see how Yates could, in theory, make coleman look soft during certain years.
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lmao, no contest. Ronnie > Dorian
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Even Flex magazine says Ronnie has the better back 8)
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yates has better calves
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Coleman had no calves, zero hamstring and falling pecs ..
indeed Yates is much more complete with better density and conditioning
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Coleman had no calves, zero hamstring and falling pecs ..
indeed Yates is much more complete with better density and conditioning
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yates has better calves
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The left side of Yates' back is very impressive.
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those b/w yates shots stand the test of time,,if he rolled on stage like that it could have been one of the greatest on stage builds ever,,,,
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ronnie's zero hamstrings LOL ::)
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yates has better calves
Yip and better abs, Triceps, skeletal structure, back 50/50 ether way Yates the edge on Consistent Total back conditioning, Coleman Quad SIZE, Hamstrings debatable both had advantages in size or condition, Forearms Debatable 50/50, and both @ their peaks Yates for the all round balance IMO, Forget the fact that Coleman was Bigger the Conditioning factor would always IMO be the edge Yates would have on a prime Coleman, 1998 Coleman Vs Yates in 93 would be a Very close call a contest between the 2 @ their best would be alot closer than alot here think imo....Depends just what the hell the Judges are going for....Outrageous size, full blown muscle bellys etc, or the Complete Balance of the physique with unbelievable Conditioning
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oh really?? who gives a ratass retard
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Ronnie would destroy Dorian
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Deja fucking vu!! :(
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Ronnie would destroy Dorian
That comparison proves the opposite.
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one should print out these comparison pics to actual size and put them upright against a wall to really appreciate the size difference
these pics are so small that it seems the difference is not very substantial
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That comparison proves the opposite.
you realize Ronnie is bigger, more separated and striated, and doesn't have a torn biceps like Dorian?
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one should print out these comparison pics to actual size and put them upright against a wall to really appreciate the size difference
these pics are so small that it seems the difference is not very substantial
I never thought of that. Good idea. Maybe someone will do it one day lol.
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I never thought of that. Good idea. Maybe someone will do it one day lol.
they do this in these weightloss programs, print out a fat persons full body pic in full size and put it on standing card board
then they lose 100lbs and are confronted with that print out
and they are shocked
we should get print outs like this and put dorian next to ronnie
my guess is ronnie will BLOW AWAY dorian
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I never thought of that. Good idea. Maybe someone will do it one day lol.
There is a more or less actual size cardboard cut out of Dorian's classic b & w front double biceps in his gym.
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Hulkster, I can't thank you enough for posting that comparison. The Shadow clearly blowing Moses out of the water.
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It makes me laugh how certain people on here think that winning the Olympia is all about size, size, size. Please get fucking educated about how contests are judged you stupid knob ends.
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It makes me laugh how certain people on here think that winning the Olympia is all about size, size, size. Please get fucking educated about how contests are judged you girls.
OH REALLY????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
IF THE OLYMPIA WASNT ABOUT SIZE DEXTER WOULD HAVE A DOZEN SANDOWS LINED UP IN HIS LIVING ROOM
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OH REALLY????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
IF THE OLYMPIA WASNT ABOUT SIZE DEXTER WOULD HAVE A DOZEN SANDOWS LINED UP IN HIS LIVING ROOM
Sorry, I forgot that Dexter Jackson has always been the most conditioned and perfectly balanced guy in all of his Olympia outings. ::)
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Sorry, I forgot that Dexter Jackson has always been the most conditioned and perfectly balanced guy in all of his Olympia outings. ::)
dexter was by far all of that yes
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dexter was by far all of that yes
I guess I must've missed that then.
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Ronnie is the greatest... of all time. It's really not even a debate. You will be lucky to see anyone close to him again in your lifetime.
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Ronnie is the greatest... of all time. It's really not even a debate. You will be lucky to see anyone close to him again in your lifetime.
But he never beat the Shadow so how does that make him better? Explain that smart ass.
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But he never beat the Shadow so how does that make him better? Explain that smart ass.
That's like saying Dorian never beat Larry Scott so how can you say Dorian's better?
Different eras.
Man you're dumb.
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That's like saying Dorian never beat Larry Scott so how can you say Dorian's better?
Different eras.
Man you're dumb.
Different eras? By how many years?
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Different eras? By how many years?
# of years is irrelevent. Fact is they never competed against each other when Ronnie was even close to being his best. I don't konw why I'm even typing this I'm sure you know that already.
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# of years is irrelevent. Fact is they never competed against each other when Ronnie was even close to being his best. I don't konw why I'm even typing this I'm sure you know that already.
Are you talking about the era before Coleman developed man boobs?
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Are you talking about the era before Coleman developed man boobs?
lol, i see you're just a troll now. oh well, you reeled me in for a few replies but no more
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But he never beat the Shadow so how does that make him better? Explain that smart ass.
Dorian never beat Haney. So according to your logic, Haney is better than Dorian according to the judging criteria ::)
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Everyone's still Blinded bye Coleman's size "factor" which apparently would "blow"... Yates away...Lol...Transportin g a off-season 312lbs Coleman in 2005 back to the Year 1993 to Blow away little 270lb-odd Yates with the same NEUTRAL LIGHTING, with the SAME BACKGROUND and with a Slightly shopped waist for the "Bigger guy"....Hmmmmm yip good call on the Size difference :-\ outrageous "Size" and Genetics alone would not Defeat a Condition Freak like Yates IMO, size DOESN'T mean Sweet fuck all UNLESS ALL THAT SIZE is Conditioned and BALANCED from head to toe... not just from the Knees on up.
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Forget the "Bigger Coleman"....This Version IMO is the ONLY Version that would have the BEST chance against Yates 50-50 ether way too close to call....1998 Coleman WAS ABSOLUTELY UNBELIEVABLE for the few that havnt seen coleman on Film that year @ the O.... :o :o :o :o
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Dorian never beat Haney. So according to your logic, Haney is better than Dorian according to the judging criteria ::)
He beat Haney in the muscularity round in his Olympia debut and some even feel he should've taken the title from Haney that year. When did Coleman come that close to beating Yates? He never came close once and when he did eventually win the O he barely beat Flex Wheeler. Pwned
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Coleman had no calves, zero hamstring and falling pecs ..
indeed Yates is much more complete with better density and conditioning
You are a complete idiot. Ronnie is much larger and has a better taper. Granted, Yates is harder but please. If hardness were all it took Munzer would have been Mr. O. Ronnie at his best was better.
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But he never beat the Shadow so how does that make him better? Explain that smart ass.
Dipshit, the Shadow lost to Momo (who was five foot tall BTW) and Haney. Are you saying that Yates in 1993 could never have beaten Haney. Ronnie came into his own later in life than Yates. BFD. The reality is that a all-time best Ronnie was the best bb who ever lived. Yates was the best conditioned, but his weak arms would have been toast against a Ronnie Coleman at his best.
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He beat Haney in the muscularity round in his Olympia debut and some even feel he should've taken the title from Haney that year. When did Coleman come that close to beating Yates? He never came close once and when he did eventually win the O he barely beat Flex Wheeler. Pwned
Dorian never beat Haney. Thus, according to your logic, Haney > Dorian
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people always talk about ronnie's size giving him the advantage over dorian, but I disagree completely.
it wasn't his size.
it was the quality and shape/taper that gives him the advantage.
hell, at only 247 pounds, he looked like this, which would blow away dorian's heavier, bulkier 260 pound best:
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how many times are we going to do this topic in a thread i must be stuck in ground hog day.
how many times are we going to do this topic in a thread i must be stuck in ground hog day.
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Everyone's still Blinded bye Coleman's size "factor" which apparently would "blow"... Yates away...Lol...Transportin g a off-season 312lbs Coleman in 2005 back to the Year 1993 to Blow away little 270lb-odd Yates with the same NEUTRAL LIGHTING, with the SAME BACKGROUND and with a Slightly shopped waist for the "Bigger guy"....Hmmmmm yip good call on the Size difference :-\ outrageous "Size" and Genetics alone would not Defeat a Condition Freak like Yates IMO, size DOESN'T mean Sweet fuck all UNLESS ALL THAT SIZE is Conditioned and BALANCED from head to toe... not just from the Knees on up.
Are you sure Ronnie was 312lbs in that pic?
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people always talk about ronnie's size giving him the advantage over dorian, but I disagree completely.
it wasn't his size.
it was the quality and shape/taper that gives him the advantage.
hell, at only 247 pounds, he looked like this, which would blow away dorian's heavier, bulkier 260 pound best:
Well yes and no, the yes is @ 240 odd pounds in 98 or 01 he was Unbelievable, and its Conceivable @ his Best in those years he COULD OF beaten yates, however like most your Posts you do "select" your Pictures carefully as a away of saying see "look" told you hes "Better". Bottom line is Neither Dorian or Ronnie EVER stood onstage @ their Respective Bests side bye side in Direct Comparisons with the same LIGHTING, ANGLES, JUDGES etc etc, so @ best all this is in a nut shell is SPECULATION, that in your Opinion and many others is that Coleman would beat Yates cause of "all" the selective pictures, screen caps etc, and keep in mind with all that Dialog that has been posted Coleman isnt exactly "Blowing away" the competition with Cormeir, flex, etc beside him now is he, as ive said IF Both @ their bests ON THE DAY it would be alot closer than you think and all those pics wouldn't account for nothing....the judges would....all round Balance and condition Vs Genetics and separation 50-50 ether way on the day IMO.
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Everyone's still Blinded bye Coleman's size "factor" which apparently would "blow"... Yates away...Lol...Transportin g a off-season 312lbs Coleman in 2005 back to the Year 1993 to Blow away little 270lb-odd Yates with the same NEUTRAL LIGHTING, with the SAME BACKGROUND and with a Slightly shopped waist for the "Bigger guy"....Hmmmmm yip good call on the Size difference :-\ outrageous "Size" and Genetics alone would not Defeat a Condition Freak like Yates IMO, size DOESN'T mean Sweet fuck all UNLESS ALL THAT SIZE is Conditioned and BALANCED from head to toe... not just from the Knees on up.
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Are you sure Ronnie was 312lbs in that pic?
NO not 100% on that, other pics and other forum suggested that Figure so its anyone's guess.
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better comparison
Well no its not why? simple the lighting is TOTALLY different in the Coleman picture and Yates in the 93 pictures is NOT THERE in that same lighting in that same gym however GRANTED absolutley he is in alot better Shape, massive separated etc etc...and il bet hes Less than the 312lbs in the other comparison, point being his size "advantage" would not imo be squat against Yates.
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Well no its not why? simple the lighting is TOTALLY different in the Coleman picture and Yates in the 93 pictures is NOT THERE in that same lighting in that same gym however GRANTED absolutley he is in alot better Shape, massive separated etc etc...and il bet hes Less than the 312lbs in the other comparison, point being his size "advantage" would not imo be squat against Yates.
lol, what are you smoking? The comparison I made is better in every way than the one you posted.
- both images in my comparison are unaltered. The one you posted of Ronnie is grayscale even though the original has color
- I didn't crop out anyone. Ronnie is cropped in yours. You can tell b/c the edges on Ronnie are all lumpy and distorted
- their heights are more accurately reflected in my comparison. Ronnie is shorter in yours despite being an inch taller in person
- your comparison has a smaller file size thus the image is pixelated and has worse resolution
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amazing what a difference a more fair comparison makes
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lol, what are you smoking? The comparison I made is better in every way than the one you posted.
- both images in my comparison are unaltered. The one you posted of Ronnie is grayscale even though the original has color
- I didn't crop out anyone. Ronnie is cropped in yours. You can tell b/c the edges on Ronnie are all lumpy and distorted
- their heights are more accurately reflected in my comparison. Ronnie is shorter in yours despite being an inch taller in person
- your comparison has a smaller file size thus the image is pixelated and has worse resolution
No not Smoking nothing, i call it as i see it, Yes we all know the pic of Ron is Cropped etc etc etc, and while you say the one you have posted isnt touched it isnt exactly a Picture is it, its a somewhat Distorted screen cap...whatever you are "right" or i am "wrong", point i was trying to point out was size wouldn't be the final result against those 2 @ their bests on the day in a actual bbing COMPETITION...Total all round Condition and who had the better ALL ROUND balance on THE DAY would be imo.
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This is two years before Ronnie started to step it up a notch or ten.
Ronnie was just as wide as a career-heaviest Dorian and already had a better back according to Peter McGough before Ronnie even reached his prime
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NO not 100% on that, other pics and other forum suggested that Figure so its anyone's guess.
Actually, that pic is from 2002 (dated in below pic) and I don't think Ronnie is 312lbs in that pic. I'll look around and see if I can find out how much he weighs in that pic.
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No not Smoking nothing, i call it as i see it, Yes we all know the pic of Ron is Cropped etc etc etc, and while you say the one you have posted isnt touched it isnt exactly a Picture is it, its a somewhat Distorted screen cap...whatever you are "right" or i am "wrong", point i was trying to point out was size wouldn't be the final result against those 2 @ their bests on the day in a actual bbing COMPETITION...Total all round Condition and who had the better ALL ROUND balance on THE DAY would be imo.
I'm calling it as I see it too. Ronnie has more muscular bulk, better separations and striations, symmetry, fullness, and shape than Dorian. I give Dorian conditioning and balance depending on which version you prefer.
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good comparison here:
although, as always, its not close. ronnie 'blows him away' lol
its funny how yates has always maintained his 95 (post tear) form was his best ever, because he was at his hardest, but man, that left arm is fucked
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Actually, that pic is from 2002 (dated in below pic) and I don't think Ronnie is 312lbs in that pic. I'll look around and see if I can find out how much he weighs in that pic.
Well there you are thats 2002 not 2005, and bye the looks of that picture he Def looks 300plus pounds.
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good comparison here:
although, as always, its not close. ronnie 'blows him away' lol
its funny how yates has always maintained his 95 (post tear) form was his best ever, because he was at his hardest, but man, that left arm is fucked
Sure is, oh wait thats right they werent on the same stage in 2001 good call neutral as always @ least you are consistent.
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I'm calling it as I see it too. Ronnie has more muscular bulk, better separations and striations, symmetry, fullness, and shape than Dorian. I give Dorian conditioning and balance depending on which version you prefer.
Debatable on the Muscular point or though you did say BULK, Separation yip Depending on body-parts in Question...Symmetry....I nterested on your Thoughts on just what "Symmetry" means in relation to those 2 Physiques in Question and NO Taper alone does not ALONE mean one has better symmetry than the other.
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Well there you are thats 2002 not 2005, and bye the looks of that picture he Def looks 300plus pounds.
no, he doesn't. He looks smaller than 03 Ronnie which was 287 lbs. This is what a 300 lbs Ronnie looks like
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lol @ thinking this is +300 lbs. If so, then Ronnie must weigh 350 lbs in the pics I posted above
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great pics! thanks for posting.
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Can someone photoshop Ronnie as a white guy for rocket switch ....
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oh really?? who gives a ratass retard
It was a joke. Clearly an inferior race wrote it.
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amazing what a difference a more fair comparison makes
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amazing what a difference a more fair comparison makes
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Lawl, yeah, a more fair comparison where Ronnie's waist is as wide wider than Dorians, epic fail broseph.
Epic fail.
This is pretty bad bro, this is almost Hulkster status... :-\
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amazing what a difference a more fair comparison makes
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It's apples and oranges, but these pics here pretty much some up the differences. I think Dorian's balance and conditioning beat Coleman. Little things like the gap in Ronnie's abs and the out of balance calves make the difference.
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this comparison is interesting because both dorian and ronnie here probably weigh close to the same (245ish pounds)
ronnie in his trimmed up AC appearance
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dorian in his 1992 olympia win
again, dorian's back is harder but his arms are undersized, ruining the balance.
ronnie's back is much thicker with better symmetry and a much more pronounced V taper, but not as hard.
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Dorian was too thick for the lighter (98 or 01) version of Ronnie and too conditioned for the blown up version of Coleman. Dorian combined mass AND conditioning better than anyone.
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Yates is still better because he retired undefeated. Spazman got pwned by a refrigerator while disguised as Moses. How embarrassing it must've been for the likes of Hulkster. LOL
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The Shadow making Coleman look waterlogged as usual.
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Yates is still better because he retired undefeated. Spazman got pwned by a refrigerator while disguised as Moses. How embarrassing it must've been for the likes of Hulkster. LOL
rocketswitch625 you better calm down because 90% of getbig is prepared to die for ronnie the coleman's honor
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Dorian combined mass AND conditioning better than anyone.
no, because his muscle shape and taper were not nearly as good as ronnie, who did it much better..
he had mass, he had conditioning, but was built like a 'portapotty' as someone so beautifully said LOL
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Yates is still better because he retired undefeated. Spazman got pwned by a refrigerator while disguised as Moses. How embarrassing it must've been for the likes of Hulkster. LOL
Retired Undefeated? NO.
Retired Undefeated during his 6 years as Mr. Olympia? YES.
I have a question for you. Do you hate Ronnie? All your posts are either praising Dorian or bashing Ronnie with every post you make. I haven't seen you contribute anything else to these forums.
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Retired Undefeated? NO.
Retired Undefeated during his 6 years as Mr. Olympia? YES.
I have a question for you. Do you hate Ronnie? All your posts are either praising Dorian or bashing Ronnie with every post you make. I haven't seen you contribute anything else to these forums.
I don't hate Ronnie Coleman, I just have a nothingness about his nut-hugging fans.
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I think it is at least curious that people shout day in and day out about Dorians conditioning when Coleman had stupid and unseen muscle separation, striation, vascularity...
And no, I wont get into the genetics and striation debate agan, Im just trying to raise an interrogant for everyone to ponder.
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Ronnie will always have the "Whao" factor over Yates he had a Better V Taper and crazy Muscle bellys with Great separation in his best years, no one that is actually being OBJECTIVE is Disputing this (listening Hulkster objective the key word), what the real issue is as in a RESULT between the 2 would be IMO is who had the LEAST amount of "weakness" with all that goes along with it....as in with the Judging Criteria on the ACTUAL DAY of the contest... Size IMO between the 2 would NOT BE the deciding factor... the least amount of weakness with the most complete balance, conditioning, presentation of the physique, etc etc would be, this is where the Debate should be heading, however alot here are not interested in that particular Debate just who looks "Better" in pics etc.
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Bodypart Breakdown:
Trapezius: Yates
Deltoids: Coleman
Biceps: Coleman
Triceps: Yates
Forearms: Yates
Chest: Yates
Abs: Yates
Quads: Coleman
Calves: Yates
Lats: ?
Glutes: Coleman
Hamstrings: Coleman
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Bodypart Breakdown:
Trapezius: Yates
Deltoids: Coleman
Biceps: Coleman
Triceps: Yates
Forearms: Yates
Chest: Yates
Abs: Yates
Quads: Coleman
Calves: Yates
Lats: ?
Glutes: Coleman
Hamstrings: Coleman
Almost everything agreed except for Chest, before Coleman was impregnated by the seed of the devil he had the best breasts in the physique construction discipline. Trceps is too close to call, same with lats, Colemann had better Teres and probably better Traps.
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Almost everything agreed except for Chest, before Coleman was impregnated by the seed of the devil he had the best breasts in the physique construction discipline. Trceps is too close to call, same with lats, Colemann had better Teres and probably better Traps.
Chest was a toss up. Ronnie had the bigger chest, but it was too long for his torso and didn't look great.
Yates clearly has the better triceps IMO. Triceps were one of Ronnie's few weakpoints.
I give the upper back to Yates. Coleman had the biggest upper traps of all time, but Yates had overall impressive trap development from top to bottom. Coleman's lower traps were somewhat a weakpoint compared to his huge lats.
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Chest was a toss up. Ronnie had the bigger chest, but it was too long for his torso and didn't look great.
Yates clearly has the better triceps IMO. Triceps were one of Ronnie's few weakpoints.
I give the upper back to Yates. Coleman had the biggest upper traps of all time, but Yates had overall impressive trap development from top to bottom. Coleman's lower traps were somewhat a weakpoint compared to his huge lats.
I'll only concede as a weak point for Coolman that he had shit calves, his triceps and overall arms were great, top 3 anyday. And I think that for the three fibers its really really really hard to call...both had impressive huge backs and its such a "little" muscle that I dont venture to judge. All in all, we agree a lot.
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Bodypart Breakdown:
Trapezius: Yates
Deltoids: Coleman
Biceps: Coleman
Triceps: Yates
Forearms: Yates
Chest: Yates
Abs: Yates
Quads: Coleman
Calves: Yates
Lats: ?
Glutes: Coleman
Hamstrings: Coleman
LOL chest and traps Yates? bwahahahahahahahaa ::)
no contest at all
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dorian's back was harder but was so thin.
ronnie's back had it all: detail, better symmetry, thickness
dorian's back was one dimensional in comparison
detailed and hard, but thin and not nearly as wide
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dorian's back was harder but was so thin.
ronnie's back had it all: detail, better symmetry, thickness
dorian's back was one dimensional in comparison
detailed and hard, but thin and not nearly as wide
I wonder if even you believe some of the things you come up with sometimes, ive never heard Dorian's back EVER being referred too as THIN, even @ his WORST his back was incredibly THICK and Detailed and WIDE however i guess we see "What" we want to see now dont we, when both in their primes they BOTH had 3 Dimensional backs from another planet 50-50 ether way.
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hi Ron.
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hi Ron.
Hi Yates. ;D
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ive never heard Dorian's back EVER being referred too as THIN,
refer to the truce thread for many people commenting that his back was thin relative to ronnie's ;D
sure, its thick compared to Lee Labrada's
but Lee Labrada is not ronnie, even if he has better arms than dorian 8):
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refer to the truce thread for many people commenting that his back was thin relative to ronnie's ;D
sure, its thick compared to Lee Labrada's
but Lee Labrada is not ronnie, even if he has better arms than dorian 8):
Im learning more and more off you all the time such a honer, the fact that these 3 pictures of Yates @ his WORST in 1997 and 1994 i guess back up your Dialog against (arguably) Ron @ his best in 1998, 99 and the other 1 from 2001....yip spot on as usual your really good thanks for your experience and wisdom.
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dorian's back was harder but was so thin.
What was the last pro show you attended? Just curious.
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LOL chest and traps Yates? bwahahahahahahahaa ::)
no contest at all
You're clearly bias.
Your opinion means nothing.
Your post are a waste of bandwidth.
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LOL chest and traps Yates? bwahahahahahahahaa ::)
no contest at all
Exactly traps Yates ha ha ha ha
Coleman had the best traps hands down
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Exactly traps Yates ha ha ha ha
Coleman had the best traps hands down
I disagree.
Coleman had awesome upper traps, but his lower traps weren't in proportion.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=405158.0;attach=446675;image)
Guys like Dorian Yates, Ray McNeil, and Lee Haney had big and well proportioned traps:
(http://img7.imagebanana.com/img/jqkvzue8/yat4.jpg)
(http://img7.imagebanana.com/img/khw9inuj/mcneil04.jpg)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=352655.0;attach=387883;image)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=352655.0;attach=387884;image)
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Hulkster's favourite pic:
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=414382.0;attach=457276;image)
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What was the last pro show you attended? Just curious.
I have never had the opportunity to attend a pro show.
but I have been to a pro seminar at my local gym. pros are massive upclose.
nimrod king, who made the top 15 at the 1991 Mr. O, is from around my area.
and no, it does not change the fact that dorian was not as good as ronnie.
brutal failure at deflection :P
nimrod king:
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Hulkster's favourite pic:
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=414382.0;attach=457276;image)
rocketbitch's fav dorian pic ;D
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Lawl, yeah, a more fair comparison where Ronnie's waist is as wide wider than Dorians, epic fail broseph.
Epic fail.
This is pretty bad bro, this is almost Hulkster status... :-\
Shockwave,
Go back to bed. The difference is that those pics of Dorian were prior to the 1993 Mr. Olympia and he was not anywhere as big on stage. His alltime best by far are those pics. In 2005, his left twig of a bicep was shatttered...symmetry was done. Those pics of Ronnie were not even his best. He showed up better and bigger in the actual shows. However, in those pics you can clearly see that Ronnie's thighs are more striated and aghast his upper calves were the same size. Dorian had a long gastrocnemius muscle that added width to his lower leg. Ronnie had better arms, but I am actually impressed by the size of Yate's arms in that photo....best ever for him. The lighting was black and white for Dorian which brought out contrast. Google the 1993 Mr. Olympia when he won and he was not nearly as impressive. If you are honest with yourself, Dorian of 1993 had the best chance to beat Coleman in his prime. Dorian of 2005 was incredibly large and ripped, but he was asymmetrical which would have been a factor against a bigger guy with more muscle and equally impressive bodyparts. Comparing waists on both sides is a joke, neither was ever known for having a small waist. Conditioned yes, but small hell no.
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remember though, dorian was in offseason (or more like precontest) weight for that shoot.
thats why his arms were so big.
on stage, they never looked like that, and always looked way undersized, damaging his symmetry.
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Shockwave,
Go back to bed. The difference is that those pics of Dorian were prior to the 1993 Mr. Olympia and he was not anywhere as big on stage. His alltime best by far are those pics. In 2005, his left twig of a bicep was shatttered...symmetry was done. Those pics of Ronnie were not even his best. He showed up better and bigger in the actual shows. However, in those pics you can clearly see that Ronnie's thighs are more striated and aghast his upper calves were the same size. Dorian had a long gastrocnemius muscle that added width to his lower leg. Ronnie had better arms, but I am actually impressed by the size of Yate's arms in that photo....best ever for him. The lighting was black and white for Dorian which brought out contrast. Google the 1993 Mr. Olympia when he won and he was not nearly as impressive. If you are honest with yourself, Dorian of 1993 had the best chance to beat Coleman in his prime. Dorian of 2005 was incredibly large and ripped, but he was asymmetrical which would have been a factor against a bigger guy with more muscle and equally impressive bodyparts. Comparing waists on both sides is a joke, neither was ever known for having a small waist. Conditioned yes, but small hell no.
Dorian 2005? I guess you mean 1995.
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Great review of Dorian's 1993 Mr. Olympia win (which I consider his best). They mention his strengths and all of the things Dorian needed to improve like Outer Thigh Sweep, Ham/Glute Tie Ins, and Bigger Biceps. Dorian never did improve on these things. All of the things they mentioned for Dorian to improve on, a prime Ronnie already had. Plus, it's crazy,they predicted the future about him getting injured. Here is the whole quote:
Points To Refine: "Oh, puleeze. None really, though it wouldn't hurt to add slightly to outer-thigh sweep and ham/glute tie-ins. Training heavy all the time may predispose him to injury. Could use a tad more biceps to match the hugeness of his other body parts."
Open the attachment for larger pic.
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I have never had the opportunity to attend a pro show.
but I have been to a pro seminar at my local gym. pros are massive upclose.
nimrod king, who made the top 15 at the 1991 Mr. O, is from around my area.
and no, it does not change the fact that dorian was not as good as ronnie.
brutal failure at deflection :P
It wasn't an attempt at deflection. It was an attempt at understanding the context around some of your posts.
I was a big Yates fan in the 90s when I followed all this stuff. Saw pics from England before he made his debut, etc...saw him at the Olympia, NOC, a guest posing, when he sold books at the NOC, etc...attended almost all those NOC's in the 90s etc...
At the 96 O I saw Coleman for the first time live, and he became my second favorite BB after that show. When he won the Olympia in 1998, I was psyched and though it was totally cool.
So what I'm saying is that I think both BB are awesome. But you argue your points so incredibly poorly, that it makes me resent Coleman for some reason. I asked if you attended any shows because it obvious you haven't and you just look at a bunch of random pics think you have all the answers.
But hey, it's your free time, so to each his own.
My statement on the matter is that we've never seen them on stage at their respective bests so it's impossible to know who would have one, especially with the inconsistent judging we've seen throughout the years. I can see either winning.
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the reason i posted this vid up on youtube. this was Yates at his best. nothing touches this. ever.
Is the contrast and sharpness high enough in those videos ::)
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Coleman never came close to achieving this:
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Coleman never came close to achieving this:
I dont care for this particular thread-debate, but you are delusional saying "never came close"...
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ronnie crushes it:
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I know, it has to smart when your hero keeps getting pwned by a "pasty white Brit".
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Yates trap are twice the size of rons and rons left side that hulkster keeps ignoring is quite a bit smaller than the right side. Yates is owning ronnie.
sorry hulkster. open your eyes and see ronnies arms are too big for the rest of him. yeah i said it. even Yates 97 shape is in full ownership here.
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Great review of Dorian's 1993 Mr. Olympia win (which I consider his best). They mention his strengths and all of the things Dorian needed to improve like Outer Thigh Sweep, Ham/Glute Tie Ins, and Bigger Biceps. Dorian never did improve on these things. All of the things they mentioned for Dorian to improve on, a prime Ronnie already had. Plus, it's crazy,they predicted the future about him getting injured. Here is the whole quote:
Points To Refine: "Oh, puleeze. None really, though it wouldn't hurt to add slightly to outer-thigh sweep and ham/glute tie-ins. Training heavy all the time may predispose him to injury. Could use a tad more biceps to match the hugeness of his other body parts."
Open the attachment for larger pic.
You know what's really funny about that?
Second-place Wheeler had no such weaknesses, and yet his '93 Olympia form SHIT all over how he looked in 1998.
How close was the 1998 Olympia, again? :D
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Yates trap are twice the size of rons and rons left side that hulkster keeps ignoring is quite a bit smaller than the right side. Yates is owning ronnie.
sorry hulkster. open your eyes and see ronnies arms are too big for the rest of him. yeah i said it. even Yates 97 shape is in full ownership here.
that's the dumbest thing I ever heard. If Ronnie's arms are "too big" than Dorian's calves are too big
brb, calves as wide as my quads ::)
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that's the dumbest thing I ever heard. If Ronnie's arms are "too big" than Dorian's calves are too big
brb, calves as wide as my quads ::)
address the rhomboid and trap issue, dickface.
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Delta, a thought for you my friend. Ronnie at his best was the biggest bodybuilder ever that was conditioned. Yates was probably the biggest bodybuilder of his era 1992-1997, until Nasser and Fux came along. However, he was by far the best conditioned. Who was better, it is a matter of opinion. Ronnie never competed against Dorian at his alltime best. Dorian lost to Haney and Momo. Now, I surmise that Yates would have been second again in 1992 as he was not much different from his 1991 form (assuming Lee Haney competed), but he was a beast in 1993. I think if you take Dorian 1993 vs Ronnie 2001 Arnold/Olympia 2003/Olympia 1999 then you would see a war. I bet you the judging panel would differ show to show. I happen to like Coleman. However, I am not a judge. I would bet ten dollars that you are not either. To be honest, I have a good friend John H who is an ex-Olympia competitor and overall awesome guy. He likes Yates. Imagine that. Thus, it would be arrogant for me to claim that a certified all-time bodybuilder is wrong (he is also an IFBB judge). However, opinions are just that. To be 100% honest, I can completely see Dorian winning a hypothetical head to head match up. He was shredded and granite like. We have yet to see a bodybuilder with his "density." However, we have never seen a freak like Ronnie. No bodybuilder has ever come onto to stage at 290 pounds hard and vascular. Ronnie had vascularity. Dorian was more grainy. Take your pick. Regardless, these threads on GETBIG are awesome as you can see the passion of both sides. Honestly, agree with me on this. Regardless who is your guy, let's name them 1 and 1a ;D
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address the rhomboid and trap issue, dickface.
what rhomboids? They are hidden under the traps. So you can't see them
and what about the traps? Dorian's are asymmetrical
now address Dorian's twig arms and zero quad sweep
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I happen to agree with NeoSeminole but hell I am biased ;D
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what rhomboids? They are hidden under the traps. So you can't see them
and what about the traps? Dorian's are asymmetrical
now address Dorian's twig arms and zero quad sweep
Look at Dorian standing from the side in videos. His sweep is quite apparent.
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Look at Dorian standing from the side in videos. His sweep is quite apparent.
Yates definitely lacked quad sweep at least from contest photos.
His legs were huge, especially front to back (quads & hams), but weren't a standout bodypart from the front. The cuts in his legs weren't deep either.
Ronnie had some of the biggest quads ever and possibly the best hamstrings ever. However, I dislike the cuts in his quads compared to guys like Platz, Demayo, or Warren.
(http://i39.tinypic.com/hx856e.png)
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This video has the whole Korean Horror movie appearance. Next scene, Coleman turns into a an alien octopus and rapes the cameraman.
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Is that meant to be impressive? His posing sucks and I used to see more impressive looking amateurs competing at the EFBB British Championships in the early 90s.
Dorian Yates showing how impressive an amateur can look with proper training, preparation and posing.
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Bottom line is its impossible to know who would win. Its just depends on which judges show up, since the Judges have been all over the place in the past.
Judges that favor the set judging criteria would pick Dorian, or the ones that favor size and freakiness over everything else would pick Ronnie.
Someone please nuke this thread now.
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Dorian 2005? I guess you mean 1995.
Lol, sorry yes I meant 1995. To be honest, isn't it kind of funny that the two best bodybuilders of alltime were at their best almost 15-20 years ago. I think the 2003 version of Ronnie was massive and ripped, but I agree that his conditioning and even waist in 1998-2001 was probably most impressive.
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Yates trap are twice the size of rons and rons left side that hulkster keeps ignoring is quite a bit smaller than the right side. Yates is owning ronnie.
sorry hulkster. open your eyes and see ronnies arms are too big for the rest of him. yeah i said it. even Yates 97 shape is in full ownership here.
Yeah and Arnold's arms were too big for everything else then ::)
ND always says Ronnie's delts were too big for his arms. So clearly they were both pretty big.
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Is that meant to be impressive? His posing sucks and I used to see more impressive looking amateurs competing at the EFBB British Championships in the early 90s.
Dorian Yates showing how impressive an amateur can look with proper training, preparation and posing.
ND this is your partner in arms, sorry mate.
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refer to the truce thread for many people commenting that his back was thin relative to ronnie's ;D
sure, its thick compared to Lee Labrada's
but Lee Labrada is not ronnie, even if he has better arms than dorian 8):
Ronnie had a thicker back than Dorian in 2003. In his 1999 form? No.
What happens is that Dorian's lats attach lower, so the fibers bundle up together less when doing a back double biceps compared to Ronnie's since the muscle fibers of his lats all move into a smaller area thus bundling up more giving a greater illusion of thickness.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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dorian's back was harder but was so thin.
ronnie's back had it all: detail, better symmetry, thickness
dorian's back was one dimensional in comparison
detailed and hard, but thin and not nearly as wide
Actually, Dorian's back looks 10 X more impressive in this comparison you posted. Harder, more defined, thicker mid back, lower lats, etc. Just overall superior...
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Is that meant to be impressive? His posing sucks and I used to see more impressive looking amateurs competing at the EFBB British Championships in the early 90s.
Dorian Yates showing how impressive an amateur can look with proper training, preparation and posing.
Dorian beat Gary Taylor here. Gary went on to win the worlds strongest man.
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Ronnie had a thicker back than Dorian in 2003. In his 1999 form? No.
What happens is that Dorian's lats attach lower, so the fibers bundle up together less when doing a back double biceps compared to Ronnie's since the muscle fibers of his lats all move into a smaller area thus bundling up more giving a greater illusion of thickness.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
The irony of his quote, is that all those "comments" about Dorians back appearing thin compared to Ronnie are from Hulkster.
Although he doesnt mention that. Hes the only fucking idiot in that thread saying that shit.
But no one ever said Hulkster lets little things like "reality" getting in the way of his statements, I think he truely believes that he remembers things differently than they happened.
I really think he believes a bunch of people were saying Ronnies back was thicker when he was the only one. Just like he kept telling us that EVERYONE was saying that Dorians calves were too big for his legs, but in reality it was just him.
And the list goes on.
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What happens is that Dorian's lats attach lower, so the fibers bundle up together less when doing a back double biceps compared to Ronnie's since the muscle fibers of his lats all move into a smaller area thus bundling up more giving a greater illusion of thickness.
bwahahaha what total bullshit!
what happens is that ronnie's back is a lot thicker even at the same bodyweight and you can't deal with it so you make up hilariously far fetched bullshit excuses to mask it.
this is actually what happens.
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What happens is that Dorian's lats attach lower, so the fibers bundle up together less when doing a back double biceps compared to Ronnie's since the muscle fibers of his lats all move into a smaller area thus bundling up more giving a greater illusion of thickness.
after I stopped laughing so hard, I actually cannot believe you posted this and expected anyone to believe it.
its not about muscle fibers bundling up together less, its about having thinner, not as well developed back muscles.
muscle contractions and mysosin and actin filaments have nothing to do with the less developed back (number 2 ever) that dorian displays.
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this is almost as good as your infamous photoelectric effect post from the truce thread hahahahaha
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Ronnie's lats attach higher than Dorian's, thus the muscle fibers of his back muscles bundle up together more than Dorian's when performing a back double biceps because they have a smaller area to move into, thus giving an illusion of greater thickness. It doesen't mean that Ronnie's back was actually thicker than Dorian's.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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IMO, Dorian looks like god blessed him with granite for muscles. Unbelievable. Ronnie is the thickest human being to walk the planet ever. His muscle bellies were round and thick like no other. However, from the back double bi's I like Yates hardness, Ronnie's thickness, Yate's calves, and Ronnie's arms. Put them together and you have one bad MOFO. PS...I think Sucky's rationale is reasonable. Ronnie has slightly higher lat inserts and probably a little more muscle...he gains in the back and arms what he lacks in the calves. In the BDB, it could give the illusion of increased thickness. However, come on Hulkster, Dorian ain't flat...now way or how. Opinions are like assholes, we all have one (I hope). However, give credit where credit is due. Haney, then Yates and then Ronnie led the way to huge backs.
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Ronnie has slightly higher lat inserts and probably a little more muscle...
bingo
However, come on Hulkster, Dorian ain't flat...now way or how
oh, I know he's not flat, he has the second greatest back ever.
but Ronnie had that extra thickness that took it to the next level
you are correct, Samir started it all (Mr. O's with amazing backs)
Haney took it from there
Yates topped even Haney's back
and Ronnie surpassed them all
then Jay, Dex and Heath dropped it down 5 levels ;D
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this is almost as good as your infamous photoelectric effect post from the truce thread hahahahaha
almost as good as you posting fake screenshots from 99 olympia to make ronnie look ten times darker than usual, and hence, more conditioned than ever.