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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: purenaturalstrength on February 15, 2012, 01:08:39 AM
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If I had some strength facts it would be easier to spot juicers and fake naturals in the gym, since I suck at sizeing up height, weight, arm girth...
Counting weights is easier
How much can naturals bench press? (touch and go, hardly anyone pauses them)
let's just do bench press since squat is too hard to say with different styles....
and everyone trains bench press...
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Damn - she charged me for the pleasure...
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he didnt lay out shit. do you not remember what he said months back where the natural limits for a black man? vince! gh15 is full of shit!
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he didnt lay out shit. do you not remember what he said months back where the natural limits for a black man? vince! gh15 is full of shit!
he said black men can be 230lbs @ 15 % bodyfat a day or two ago
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If I had some strength facts it would be easier to spot juicers and fake naturals in the gym, since I suck at sizeing up height, weight, arm girth...
Counting weights is easier
How much can naturals bench press? (touch and go, hardly anyone pauses them)
let's just do bench press since squat is too hard to say with different styles....
and everyone trains bench press...
bodybuild has absolitly nothing to do with strength ,, if it had something to do with strength i would be 10 times mr o and world record holder of mr o title,, strength has NOTHING to do with bodybuild,, all the pussy lifters notice how they develp nice ,, they play around and cut lean and large,, its all in the drug ,, ofcourse you need strength ....but naturals can have amazing TENDOIN STRENGTH ,, when i was natural i worked triceps with 1 dumbel over head 2 arms ...i used to do it with 140 lb dumbel ...NATURAL! 10 TIMES 3 sets... did it give me 18 19 20 inch arm incondition? HELL FUCKING NO IT DIDNT,, my tendoins were super strong though and my bonesss...kind of like matt c...basicaly a joke but lift heavy,,well matt c is on hormones was is play around with them ,, i was truly natural those days,, but still all my strength did was put me in doubel digit bodyfat and ....made me lift heavy lol
strength has NOTHING to do with the final product you see today on stages
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strong bones...usualy mean weak muscle...USUALY! strong tendoins...usualy mean shit muscle,, you will learn it in the future,, the smallest fellas on the olympics that do powerlift and lift enormous weight...notice how flat their muslcles look....they are stiff looking,, strong like mother fuckers,, its something to be proud of ...but bodybuild is pageon of narcisitc outmost proportions ,, it has nothnig to do with fucking strength
strong bodybuild is very good...but you can get very far in bodybuikld with lifting as much weight as you want,, infact you can develp best pecs in cult by only doing hammers
this is the gh15 era of bodybuild,, notice how everyone train the way i say ,, just check into kuklo the kid ,, many others,,
bodybuild has NOTHING to do with strength ,, do i like it? no,, but this is the pure facts now days
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i'm weak as fuck so therefore i'm small as fuck
but... i had decent chest strength, at my best i did a triple pause with 225 and i did dips with 100 pounds added round my waist for 6 good reps
and guess what? my chest was my best bodypart
no correlation btw size and strength my ass
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bodybuild has absolitly nothing to do with strength ,, if it had something to do with strength i would be 10 times mr o and world record holder of mr o title,, strength has NOTHING to do with bodybuild,, all the pussy lifters notice how they develp nice ,, they play around and cut lean and large,, its all in the drug ,, ofcourse you need strength ....but naturals can have amazing TENDOIN STRENGTH ,, when i was natural i worked triceps with 1 dumbel over head 2 arms ...i used to do it with 140 lb dumbel ...NATURAL! 10 TIMES 3 sets... did it give me 18 19 20 inch arm incondition? HELL FUCKING NO IT DIDNT,, my tendoins were super strong though and my bonesss...kind of like matt c...basicaly a joke but lift heavy,,well matt c is on hormones was is play around with them ,, i was truly natural those days,, but still all my strength did was put me in doubel digit bodyfat and ....made me lift heavy lol
strength has NOTHING to do with the final product you see today on stages
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what was your weight when you were natural GH15??..
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strong bones...usualy mean weak muscle...USUALY! strong tendoins...usualy mean shit muscle,, you will learn it in the future,, the smallest fellas on the olympics that do powerlift and lift enormous weight...notice how flat their muslcles look....they are stiff looking,, strong like mother fuckers,, its something to be proud of ...but bodybuild is pageon of narcisitc outmost proportions ,, it has nothnig to do with fucking strength
strong bodybuild is very good...but you can get very far in bodybuikld with lifting as much weight as you want,, infact you can develp best pecs in cult by only doing hammers
this is the gh15 era of bodybuild,, notice how everyone train the way i say ,, just check into kuklo the kid ,, many others,,
bodybuild has NOTHING to do with strength ,, do i like it? no,, but this is the pure facts now days
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kuclo uses 200lb dumbells on incline you moron
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strong bones...usualy mean weak muscle...USUALY! strong tendoins...usualy mean shit muscle,, you will learn it in the future,, the smallest fellas on the olympics that do powerlift and lift enormous weight...notice how flat their muslcles look....they are stiff looking,, strong like mother fuckers,, its something to be proud of ...but bodybuild is pageon of narcisitc outmost proportions ,, it has nothnig to do with fucking strength
strong bodybuild is very good...but you can get very far in bodybuikld with lifting as much weight as you want,, infact you can develp best pecs in cult by only doing hammers
this is the gh15 era of bodybuild,, notice how everyone train the way i say ,, just check into kuklo the kid ,, many others,,
bodybuild has NOTHING to do with strength ,, do i like it? no,, but this is the pure facts now days
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(http://tnation.t-nation.com/forum_images/d/5/d5404-china_1.jpg)
I wish i was that flat.....
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Strenth is more (as in %) neurological while 'size' is more chemical so you have more chance of becoming a strength wonder while being natural, than you have of becoming a size wonder.
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strong bones...usualy mean weak muscle...USUALY! strong tendoins...usualy mean shit muscle,, you will learn it in the future,, the smallest fellas on the olympics that do powerlift and lift enormous weight...notice how flat their muslcles look....they are stiff looking,, strong like mother fuckers,, its something to be proud of ...but bodybuild is pageon of narcisitc outmost proportions ,, it has nothnig to do with fucking strength
strong bodybuild is very good...but you can get very far in bodybuikld with lifting as much weight as you want,, infact you can develp best pecs in cult by only doing hammers
this is the gh15 era of bodybuild,, notice how everyone train the way i say ,, just check into kuklo the kid ,, many others,,
bodybuild has NOTHING to do with strength ,, do i like it? no,, but this is the pure facts now days
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"I pick things up and I put them down" ......training the GH15 way ::)
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It's logical that when you add insulin and gh (water bloat and all that good stuff) the correlation between size and strength diminishes by some degree.
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ok ,, once again all the kids bring exampples of some china little fella on all thre hormone sin the world,, im talking the smallest thinest fella in olympica flat muscle they lift tremendous amoutn of weight,, they dont look like no bodybuild,, and also this china fella doesnt look like no bodybuild but he does have more shape
kuklo the kid work with 200lb dumbelsl? for what for photoshot? you think it is a problem to work with 200lb dumbells? he fucking sit on the hammer do inclines with 5 plates each side ,, this is numbers that 200lb bodybuild do ...
no conection betwen strength and muscle past certain point in the drug intake ...usualy that point is when added hgh and insulina
strength does NOT = muscle
period
also you can tel me you are this and that 300 lb for pause million times...i dont see it on results! what i saw with the fella who wrote this was FLAT MUSCLE,,
strangth does not = muscle
there is no natural bodybuild
and! the fellas i cant stand the most are the fellas like dj101 the ones who always talk about this and that but in reality will never go on hormones because they dont have what it takes to get in bodybuild because they are scared pussys so...they go with natural natural and alwya sstuck in no where to be found 160lb in shape when pay attention out of shape when not pay attention ,,,and you aree weak as fuck has nothing to do with the fact you are small as fuck,, you are SMALL as fuck because you dont do hormones! i can not belive how ,, if you only knew how much of a matt c you come off like ,, it is simly digusting,, get on the hormones already ,, you will forveer be nothing! if you keep doing notnig,, you wont even hit 180lb in very good condition in yoru specific situation
i swear sometime i truly think i talk to many kidos here,, more and more dumb kidos join this boarding and i start getting bored with this
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Strength is all training, size is all drugs.
That's it fellas, gh15 is right on this one.
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im right about ANY THING i say ,, any thihng,, i just dont hav etime to go into detail too much mes with website and treats and elfs getting scared alot to deal with ,, lots of convicts mother fucking scambags in the cult,, but if you wil look into bible i wrote in the past EVERYTHING you need to know to turn to a profesional or...atleast a top amatuer so you can fight for profesional card
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(http://tnation.t-nation.com/forum_images/d/5/d5404-china_1.jpg)
I wish i was that flat.....
hes a midget too.
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This is one of those threads where you realize gh15 has no idea what he's talking about. The "olympic" "powerlifters". Lol. Moron.
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i swear sometime i truly think i talk to many kidos here,, more and more dumb kidos join this boarding and i start getting bored with this
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Nothing...and I mean NOTHING is stopping you from going you stupid fuck. Only your constant craving for attention and praise is keeping you here....as well as alive. Its the only thing that drives you to not eat a bullet the instant you wake from whatever drug induced slumber you have partaken in.
Far as many are concerned...."Dont let the door hit you, where the good lord (and many schmoes) split you"
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This is one of those threads where you realize gh15 has no idea what he's talking about. The "olympic" "powerlifters". Lol. Moron.
yep,, hes just a troll
gh15 if hormones are everything why is dc so huge on hrt,,
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=415078.0
^^ this
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http://www.ironmind.com/ironmind/export/sites/default/ironmind/hosseint02wc_lg.jpg
(http://www.iranian.com/PhotoDay/2000/September/Images/tavakoli2.jpg)
Wished I looked this flat.
On topic: You can be fucking strong as a natural as long as you built your work capacity over the years. Then: High frequency training = animal.
lol @ tendon strength btw. A tendon doesn't lift shit. It's just connecting your muscle to the bone. :D
small muscle and high strength means: high number of motor unit recruitment. In other words, you're more efficient in sending signals to your muscles, using a higher percentage of fibers than someone who is less trained.
Hope this helps.
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Strongest guy I ever saw also was the fattest. Remember him? Anthony Clark. Guy was a beast, but round and fat.
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/aclark.jpg)
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(http://www.geekologie.com/2010/07/22/wtf-beer-1.jpg)
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(http://www.geekologie.com/2010/07/22/wtf-beer-1.jpg)
That's fucking awesome and creepy at the same time. Total alpha male addition to the wet bar.
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http://www.ironmind.com/ironmind/export/sites/default/ironmind/hosseint02wc_lg.jpg
(http://www.iranian.com/PhotoDay/2000/September/Images/tavakoli2.jpg)
Wished I looked this flat.
On topic: You can be fucking strong as a natural as long as you built your work capacity over the years. Then: High frequency training = animal.
lol @ tendon strength btw. A tendon doesn't lift shit. It's just connecting your muscle to the bone. :D
small muscle and high strength means: high number of motor unit recruitment. In other words, you're more efficient in sending signals to your muscles, using a higher percentage of fibers than someone who is less trained.
Hope this helps.
This. In details it's all about neurotransmiters like serotonin, acetocholine and so on.
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i'm weak as fuck so therefore i'm small as fuck
but... i had decent chest strength, at my best i did a triple pause with 225 and i did dips with 100 pounds added round my waist for 6 good reps
and guess what? my chest was my best bodypart
no correlation btw size and strength my ass
this actually proves there is NO CORRELATION
your lifts are nothing to write home about so it is truly unrelated that you have good chest development
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Strongest guy I ever saw also was the fattest. Remember him? Anthony Clark. Guy was a beast, but round and fat.
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/aclark.jpg)
x2 sumo wrestlers got the biggest muscles in the world. Fact.
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im talking the smallest thinest fella in olympica flat muscle they lift tremendous amoutn of weight
this man is probably the smallest in the olympics
vehemently claims natural
good example of what you are talking about, small muscles big strength output
(http://users.telenet.be/tom.goegebuer/images/EK08/Abs2.jpg)
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this man is probably the smallest in the olympics
vehemently claims natural
good example of what you are talking about, small muscles big strength output
(http://users.telenet.be/tom.goegebuer/images/EK08/Abs2.jpg)
Nice you posted a new pic of yourself, PNS....
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Girls and sons who have not been loved by their fathers seek attention once teens and adults to compensate for what they didnt have originally. Fathers either left them alone, or were distant most of the time and not encouraging them. Some even despised them which would shape their personality and the way they d interact with others for the rest of their life.
They are extremistic in everything they do, always looking exageratly for attention, and have troubles adapting to society's rules, because they also have troubles defining their own identity and respecting authority and hierarchy.
Also boys who got picked on by others during childhood and adolescence -often sons without a father figure- try to compensate by lifting weights, to develop muscles and survive in ther male world. They re insecure because they re girly, childish, feminine having been raised by a single mom. They lift obsessively hoping it will transform them into men, to compensate for their lack of influence from a father figure that was not there. Unfortunaltey they can get as big as they can it doesnt cure their insecurity and who they truly are, how they grew up being raised by a single mom. They re no as manly as other men whatever they do, and they often have a big lack of masculine presence they dont know how to balance, hence often being borderline homosexuals while trying to get their manhood back thru various manly activities (mma, cars, weight lifting etc). They are often the ones that, in order to get respect from other males will go the steroids route to get even "bigger" attemptint to cure their insecurity , but being natural not being "enough", they still feel "too small", insecure, amongst other males. The lack of a father figure also often means they didnt have guidance to continue studies and are often working shitty manual jobs.
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Tom goegebuer hahaha, I know some dude that trains at his gym. Seems to be a likeable fella. Though I do believe he was lucky that halil mutlu dropped out in 2008. :P
I'm guessing he will max his squat somewhere from 180 to 200kg's, which is over triple bodyweight. Guy is extremely strong for his weight.
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Nice you posted a new pic of yourself, PNS....
what can i say
the old batch kigtropin really does provide that shrink wrapped abdominal tunnel look
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GH15 + others of this theory, I agree big muscles do not always mean big strength however I do not grow from training moderate weight and higher reps. I only grow from moving big weights at low reps that pushes me, once I can do 4 sets at 7-8 reps the weight goes up and the reps back down.
To give an example of big weights and big muscles ... Ronnie Coleman... He was mega strong and had huge muscle bellys.. I never seen him ever pick up a light weight or train light to moderate.. His theory keep piling on the weight and eventually the muscle will have to adapt to it and grow.. which is what I agree with. Dorian & Mentzer had simular theorys
I would have to say in this instance that I do not fully agree. I think drugs play a huge, huge part, but if you got good response to drugs and you can lift heavy I think you will benefit more than using fanny weights
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GH15 + others of this theory, I agree big muscles do not always mean big strength however I do not grow from training moderate weight and higher reps. I only grow from moving big weights at low reps that pushes me, once I can do 4 sets at 7-8 reps the weight goes up and the reps back down.
To give an example of big weights and big muscles ... Ronnie Coleman... He was mega strong and had huge muscle bellys.. I never seen him ever pick up a light weight or train light to moderate.. His theory keep piling on the weight and eventually the muscle will have to adapt to it and grow.. which is what I agree with. Dorian & Mentzer had simular theorys
I would have to say in this instance that I do not fully agree. I think drugs play a huge, huge part, but if you got good response to drugs and you can lift heavy I think you will benefit more than using fanny weights
ronnie coleman's earlier videos suggest otherwise
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yep,, hes just a troll
gh15 if hormones are everything why is dc so huge on hrt,,
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=415078.0
^^ this
danta is bgi hormone abuser,, and he is nto huge he is EVRY fat,, he hold fat from insulina and testosterona,, he is not huge anything ,, that fella would stand on stage in the 180lb zone! and this is after man years of hormonization and dealing an dconected everywhere possible ,,
danta is THE DEFINTIITION of how NOT to do bodybuild
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strenght is more to do with tendoins and bones than actual muscle,, you will learn it ,,
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strenght is more to do with tendoins and bones than actual muscle,, you will learn it ,,
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but bones and tendons cannot contract, only store elastic energy
so when the momentum and bouncing movements are taken away...
all that is causing movement is muscular contraction?
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danta is bgi hormone abuser,, and he is nto huge he is EVRY fat,, he hold fat from insulina and testosterona,, he is not huge anything ,, that fella would stand on stage in the 180lb zone! and this is after man years of hormonization and dealing an dconected everywhere possible ,,
danta is THE DEFINTIITION of how NOT to do bodybuild
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He's (DC) holding a lot of water in that pic for just being on HRT, if that's what he said...
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but bones and tendons cannot contract, only store elastic energy
so when the momentum and bouncing movements are taken away...
all that is causing movement is muscular contraction?
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actual lifting heavy has nothnig to do with muscles per say ,, the most muscular fellas are usualy the weakest ones,, estrogen is HIGHLY importent for stregnth
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ronnie coleman's earlier videos suggest otherwise
Am I missing something? I only watched bits but I not seen light at all?
Even if he is lifting light, doesnt that suggest he got bigger, allot bigger once he starting piling on the weight?
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actual lifting heavy has nothnig to do with muscles per say ,, the most muscular fellas are usualy the weakest ones,, estrogen is HIGHLY importent for stregnth
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(http://www.quantumpie.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/pie-mind-blown.jpg)
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He's (DC) holding a lot of water in that pic for just being on HRT, if that's what he said...
no ,, danta holding fat,, it is ofcourse water too but he hold alot of lower back fat from the one picture you all talkign about,, he has a huge problem of estrogen but! his fat is under the belly buttom zone ,, water is diff look ,, he has BOTH but he has LOTS of fat ,, in the muscle and outside muscle ,, in the muscle big time too,, he can never get in to bodybuild condition and remain large,, just doesnt have it ,, he can get small and be bodybuild conditin ,, well nto smal but in the 180lb zone- 190lb zone,, this is with all the hormones in the world,, this is ofcourse not small but relativly to the 240lb profesionals now day it is SMALLER!
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Am I missing something? I only watched bits but I not seen light at all?
Even if he is lifting light, doesnt that suggest he got bigger, allot bigger once he starting piling on the weight?
have you tried watching the video entirely before just posting down garbage
he said he usually goes relatively light as in 12-15 repetitions with good form
getting bigger is related to increasing the dose not changing up training routines
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(http://www.quantumpie.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/pie-mind-blown.jpg)
take for example groink from this bording who hs com muscle in the 215 lb zone...he has about 210-215 6% on him after droping the water etc ,, then take mat c from this boarding....162lb? same height abotu both ,, i tihnk groink is closer to 6 feet mat c is 5'9 ,, still! it is a good 40 lb diff in muscularoty size between the 2 in the least
but! mat c will wipe the flor upside down inside out with groink ,, absolitly destroy him and will win any lifting competition,, to a point groink wil be embarsed,,
this! is what i mean when i say the more muscular you are the weaker you become proportionaly ,, bones and tendoins need to be strong,, when you have big muscles the muscle torn easily ,, you get hurt very fast ,, you playh with balonie,, its the stiffer fellas who hav etheir bons and tendoins up there due to the fact they cant hold much muscle so the bones and tendoins are getgins stronger with age and also....in their prime they are very very strong
no need to argue with me i made millions out of bodybuild,, im always right
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have you tried watching the video entirely before just posting down garbage
he said he usually goes relatively light as in 12-15 repetitions with good form
getting bigger is related to increasing the dose not changing up training routines
No thats why I said I did not watch it alll, 15 minutes was too much of a bore to me. But thanks for the info, I stand corrected on Ronnie then
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so basically what dorian yates is selling is massively flawed?
piramid to 1 super heavy set
always more weight more and more
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this guy says size and strength go together like love and marriage
he also said he wanted to be a bodybuilder when he didnt know any better now he just wants to be big and strong
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so basically what dorian yates is selling is massively flawed?
piramid to 1 super heavy set
always more weight more and more
It worked for him, it worked for Mentzer and there are many others who promote weight over reps
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It worked for him, it worked for Mentzer and there are many others who promote weight over reps
but i read that mentzer didnt train the way he advertized at all
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actual lifting heavy has nothnig to do with muscles per say ,, the most muscular fellas are usualy the weakest ones,, estrogen is HIGHLY importent for stregnth
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Yes that's why we see shitloads of women squatting 500 pounds. ::)
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what dorian sell is a protien powder,, he make his livign out of lies like any bodybuild,, the only reason im honest with you is that i dont talk on my real name
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Yes that's why we see shitloads of women squatting 500 pounds. ::)
did not say you need extra high high level estrogen ,, but the reason most of you are importents,, the reason bodybuild today cant even fuck ...many dont fuck they cant...they need the viagra an dcialis,, in very young age...reason is that they dont know what they doing,, half of the fellas that i seen muscular here would lose it in mater of 90 days after stoping hormones 9 0 days,,
female are weak their bones and tendoins are not as strong as males due to the way they are build,, female are child bariers they have strngth but other strngth ,, trength of the soul!
what i say is history in bodybuild,, I CHANGED HISTORY ,, moment you argue it less you will understand it more
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but i read that mentzer didnt train the way he advertized at all
Hmm where did you read that, that would be an interesting read..
He did many speeches, books and seminars preeching it, to be honest he seemed very very pasionate about that, rest periods and the amount of protein required to grow new tissue. I have to say I share many of his concepts and do think that he was a very bright individual but got silienced because his views where not of the main stream.
Big like how GH15 says its all in the drugs, well this is no good for the current supplement eliete and neither was Mentzers preechings back then
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what dorian sell is a protien powder,, he make his livign out of lies like any bodybuild,, the only reason im honest with you is that i dont talk on my real name
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hi dorian 8)
gh15 is an amazing thing, sometimes i get scared that it will turn out a hoax and that it was all a dream or something
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Hmm where did you read that, that would be an interesting read..
He did many speeches, books and seminars preeching it, to be honest he seemed very very pasionate about that, rest periods and the amount of protein required to grow new tissue. I have to say I share many of his concepts and do think that he was a very bright individual but got silienced because his views where not of the main stream.
Big like how GH15 says its all in the drugs, well this is no good for the current supplement eliete and neither was Mentzers preechings back then
i read it on elitefitness forums
been trying to find the thread back for ages, it was really interesting
they claimed mentzer trained "very much like HST"
mentzer later also descended into madness running in the streets naked and whatnot
maybe his hit preaching days were the phase 1 and 2 of full blown insanity
also they said that the whole HIT ideology started with arthur jones trying to sell nautilus equipment and so he had to create an entire huge scam with theories to discard traditional methods of weight training and of course TRADITIONAL EQUIPMENT; he went as far as saying that working out with barbells or performing traditional and olympic lifts will DESTROY YOUR SKELETON. this arthur jones guy was a lunatic but of course it was all a scam to push nautilus
the whole HIT story is nothing but fables to lead people astray into wanting nautilus equipment
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strong bones...usualy mean weak muscle...USUALY! strong tendoins...usualy mean shit muscle,, you will learn it in the future,, the smallest fellas on the olympics that do powerlift and lift enormous weight...notice how flat their muslcles look....they are stiff looking,, strong like mother fuckers,, its something to be proud of ...but bodybuild is pageon of narcisitc outmost proportions ,, it has nothnig to do with fucking strength
strong bodybuild is very good...but you can get very far in bodybuikld with lifting as much weight as you want,, infact you can develp best pecs in cult by only doing hammers
this is the gh15 era of bodybuild,, notice how everyone train the way i say ,, just check into kuklo the kid ,, many others,,
bodybuild has NOTHING to do with strength ,, do i like it? no,, but this is the pure facts now days
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"Strong bones usually means weak muscles" ......what??????? Lol
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no!,, strong bones strong dendoins...it is more of genetic! inherit,, it has to do with genetic in THIS case,, you cna hav ebig muscle and be quite strong but i can show you many who have small muscle and shaped horibly as in feeling and looking like a board ,, stiff! and they are the strongest fellass in their local gymnasiums
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just take a look into mat c....he is porobably strongest getbiger,, probably he is the ones,, yes he did hormones but still horible muscle shape well not horible but lacking and stiff looking and yet EXTREMLY STRONG
sevaste ...have better muscle shape ,, he actualy has good muscle shape when body fat low...but! look at him when he is 180lb he is stronger than many MANY 230lb fellas,, i mean WIPE FLOOR WITH THEM,, he has very strong tendoins and bones
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i read it on elitefitness forums
been trying to find the thread back for ages, it was really interesting
they claimed mentzer trained "very much like HST"
mentzer later also descended into madness running in the streets naked and whatnot
maybe his hit preaching days were the phase 1 and 2 of full blown insanity
also they said that the whole HIT ideology started with arthur jones trying to sell nautilus equipment and so he had to create an entire huge scam with theories to discard traditional methods of weight training and of course TRADITIONAL EQUIPMENT; he went as far as saying that working out with barbells or performing traditional and olympic lifts will DESTROY YOUR SKELETON. this arthur jones guy was a lunatic but of course it was all a scam to push nautilus
the whole HIT story is nothing but fables to lead people astray into wanting nautilus equipment
Lol, possibly, but there is allot of people who praise his preechings and have had alot of success from it...
Maybe this could be down to how the individual responds to stress genetically..
I have never grew one ounce of muscle lifting light to moderate with higher reps. I find it taxes my cardio more than my muscle, ok it gives a good pump, put I get a good pump from running and that doesnt make my muscles grow bigger
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just take a look into mat c....he is porobably strongest getbiger,, probably he is the ones,, yes he did hormones but still horible muscle shape well not horible but lacking and stiff looking and yet EXTREMLY STRONG
sevaste ...have better muscle shape ,, he actualy has good muscle shape when body fat low...but! look at him when he is 180lb he is stronger than many MANY 230lb fellas,, i mean WIPE FLOOR WITH THEM,, he has very strong tendoins and bones
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How the hell do you know how strong the gypsy is? Did they have a write-in weight lifting contest? You really are a jackass.
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I'm confused. Now strong tendons means weak muscle? How so? I know I just want to hear YOU explain this.
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Lol, possibly, but there is allot of people who praise his preechings and have had alot of success from it...
I've searched the net far and wide for pictures of these people and concluded most are delusional twinks
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I've searched the net far and wide for pictures of these people and concluded most are delusional twinks
So its just go in, do a little big and up the dose?
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along the year sevaste sent me quite few lifting videos,, that i knwo are legit,, for i trained in europe and i know it was legit liftings,, he is extremly strong for 180lb zone,, EXTREMLY strong,,not eveything i get i show to everyone
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along the year sevaste sent me quite few lifting videos,, that i knwo are legit,, for i trained in europe and i know it was legit liftings,, he is extremly strong for 180lb zone,, EXTREMLY strong,,not eveything i get i show to everyone
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sounds great
it's good to be strong
i hate lay nortom tho
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I'm confused. Now strong tendons means weak muscle? How so? I know I just want to hear YOU explain this.
van b----------------------------------------------------------------> is right there,, i just say hands on from many many years of experience i probably can get you techinical answer liek you love but too much effort to go look for it ,, or to even think about it right now when i about to go train chest
maybe later ,, van b can come here and explain or maybe even you can ,, or...few others will do it gladly for you my love
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I'll be waiting for his answer. SOON.
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bodybuild has absolitly nothing to do with strength ,, if it had something to do with strength i would be 10 times mr o and world record holder of mr o title,, strength has NOTHING to do with bodybuild,, all the pussy lifters notice how they develp nice ,, they play around and cut lean and large,, its all in the drug ,, ofcourse you need strength ....but naturals can have amazing TENDOIN STRENGTH ,, when i was natural i worked triceps with 1 dumbel over head 2 arms ...i used to do it with 140 lb dumbel ...NATURAL! 10 TIMES 3 sets... did it give me 18 19 20 inch arm incondition? HELL FUCKING NO IT DIDNT,, my tendoins were super strong though and my bonesss...kind of like matt c...basicaly a joke but lift heavy,,well matt c is on hormones was is play around with them ,, i was truly natural those days,, but still all my strength did was put me in doubel digit bodyfat and ....made me lift heavy lol
strength has NOTHING to do with the final product you see today on stages
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::) Number 1 liar right here
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Gh15 can you show a scan of your pro card?
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what dorian sell is a protien powder,, he make his livign out of lies like any bodybuild,, the only reason im honest with you is that i dont talk on my real name
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lol, I can't believe you actually just said that. HahHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH
So what do you say when the kids ask you in the gym what you are on?
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Gh15 Silence the filt that say you're not a real pro and just a drug dealer and show a scan of your pro card!!!!
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Gh15 Silence the filt that say you're not a real pro and just a drug dealer and show a scan of your pro card!!!!
he cant do that
because
he is a drug dealer / not a pro
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just take a look into mat c....he is porobably strongest getbiger,, probably he is the ones,,
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No.
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strong bones...usualy mean weak muscle...USUALY! strong tendoins...usualy mean shit muscle,, you will learn it in the future,, the smallest fellas on the olympics that do powerlift and lift enormous weight...notice how flat their muslcles look....they are stiff looking,, strong like mother fuckers,, its something to be proud of ...but bodybuild is pageon of narcisitc outmost proportions ,, it has nothnig to do with fucking strength
strong bodybuild is very good...but you can get very far in bodybuikld with lifting as much weight as you want,, infact you can develp best pecs in cult by only doing hammers
this is the gh15 era of bodybuild,, notice how everyone train the way i say ,, just check into kuklo the kid ,, many others,,
bodybuild has NOTHING to do with strength ,, do i like it? no,, but this is the pure facts now days
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I'm still waiting for an explanation for this.
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::) Number 1 liar right here
how is it a lie?? how do u know fool ???
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how is it a lie?? how do u know fool ???
In the case my statement I don't think he's lying once again I think he's misinformed.
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I'm still waiting for an explanation for this.
Nature favours efficiency would be one answer. A shorter muscle attached to a longer tendon that extends just a few mm further past the joint's leverage point can exert as much force as a larger muscle/shorter tendon, but is energetically far less costly to maintain.
Or so I tell myself, with my crap biceps - I'm NOT inferior, I'm just more highly evolved! Dammit. >:(
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I'm still waiting for an explanation for this.
It's because people with stronger tendons train like or are powerlifters and are more concerned about moving the weight from point a to point b. Because of this, they tend not to care about isolating the muscle/mind to muscle connection. They will do whatever in order to move the weight and not really concerned about what muscles are being stimulated. As a result, the tendons take alot of the brunt and become stronger.
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lol, I can't believe you actually just said that. HahHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH
So what do you say when the kids ask you in the gym what you are on?
hard work and dedication
chickn and brokli fella
protien powdrez and creatinos
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size and strength go together when you're talking about real muscle, "mature muscle" but when you're talking about philsulina size then no, but that is what comprises most of the size bodybuilders have.
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size and strength go together when you're talking about real muscle, "mature muscle" but when you're talking about philsulina size then no, but that is what comprises most of the size bodybuilders have.
so their muscles blow up but there is no functional increase of contractile units?
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Strongest guy I ever saw also was the fattest. Remember him? Anthony Clark. Guy was a beast, but round and fat.
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/aclark.jpg)
PIP
I shook his hand at the 2000 Mr olympia. It was was like shaking hands with a hot water bottle about to burst :o
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How much can naturals bench press? (touch and go, hardly anyone pauses them)
How about we put this way.
10x135 - your avarage gym guy
10x185 - better than average
10x225 - advanced. Good lift.
10x275 - impressive!
10x315 - I don't think this is worth mentinion for. Let's say it's rare.
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van b----------------------------------------------------------------> is right there,, i just say hands on from many many years of experience i probably can get you techinical answer liek you love but too much effort to go look for it ,, or to even think about it right now when i about to go train chest
maybe later ,, van b can come here and explain or maybe even you can ,, or...few others will do it gladly for you my love
gh15 approved
Translation : I dont know whatthe fuck I am talking about.
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just take a look into mat c....he is porobably strongest getbiger,, probably he is the ones,, yes he did hormones but still horible muscle shape well not horible but lacking and stiff looking and yet EXTREMLY STRONG
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For such a thinly-built guy, sure, but strongest getbigger? Not even close, boss.
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PIP
I shook his hand at the 2000 Mr olympia. It was was like shaking hands with a hot water bottle about to burst :o
he claims to have been 8% bodyfat, and his bench was a touch and go affair without a lockout
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he cant do that
because
he is a drug dealer / not a pro
X many!
In addition Ron needs to ban god of homos forever for using this board to sell his products and promoting a life of steroids, GH and insulin to the youth of the membership.
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size and strength go together when you're talking about real muscle, "mature muscle" but when you're talking about philsulina size then no, but that is what comprises most of the size bodybuilders have.
Real muscle that you said, is the myofribilar hypetrophy that build new actin/myosin and then you gain strength and muscle size...
You can have this with low rep lifting
Philinsulina is more sarcoplasmatic hypertrophy increase the number of mitochondria,put fluid into the muscle
Baah this theory about tendons and bones,i want to know to the reason of muscle size means weak tendons and strong tendons means weak muscle size...
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If I had some strength facts it would be easier to spot juicers and fake naturals in the gym, since I suck at sizeing up height, weight, arm girth...
Counting weights is easier
How much can naturals bench press? (touch and go, hardly anyone pauses them)
let's just do bench press since squat is too hard to say with different styles....
and everyone trains bench press...
Depends on the individual you daty girl!!
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Strength is all training, size is all drugs.
That's it fellas, gh15 is right on this one.
In other words, strength is all heart and bb muscles are all crap.
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Strength is all training, size is all drugs.
Then following that logic, a natural should be able to set 100m world record, raw bench world record, etc. ;)
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Then following that logic, a natural should be able to set 100m world record, raw bench world record, etc. ;)
It's not impossible. Attaining lean, muscular size like that of bb isn't possible without drugs, but yes some strength gains do occur on gear.
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It's not impossible. Attaining lean, muscular size like that of bb isn't possible without drugs.
I agree on the BB size, but if it were possible there would be naturals benchin 650-700 in line with the top level drug guys. There aren't.
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I agree on the BB size, but if it were possible there would be naturals benchin 650-700 in line with the top level drug guys. There aren't.
This implies that there aren't any naturals capable of 650-700 bench. I don't believe that. At the level of competition you mention you find the same caliber of person....they'll do whatever it takes....gear, coke, cow dung, raw eggs, whatever. Most naturals don't think in those terms.
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you'll bench press as much as this moron
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This implies that there aren't any naturals capable of 650-700 bench. I don't believe that.
Agree to disagree then. lol Then again even if one did 650+ everyone would think he was juiced anyway...
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This board has become a joke
Ron you dropped the ball in regards to moderation
Board is totally over run by one troll and his gimmicks and followers
Complete joke
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(http://www.geekologie.com/2010/07/22/wtf-beer-1.jpg)
hahahaha wow this is cool.....I only got a stuffed hawk that killed itself crahing into my window...
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hahahaha wow this is cool.....I only got a stuffed hawk that killed itself crahing into my window...
paint your windows opaque otherwise the wildlife commission will fine you for killing endangered species :D
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paint your windows opaque otherwise the wildlife commission will fine you for killing endangered species :D
I still got 2 birds and a mole in my freezer. It's just too damn expensive to have them stuffed... ;D
And I needed a form from the local polie station to have the hawk stuffed by some registrated guy...this is Holland. ;D
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what was your weight when you were natural GH15??..
I come in,,,,170lbs,,,natural before I touch hormones,,,,very strong very very,,,,no hormones did not touch till I was 18,,,
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In other words, strength is all heart and bb muscles are all crap.
very good! and corect!
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How about we put this way.
10x135 - your avarage gym guy
10x185 - better than average
10x225 - advanced. Good lift.
10x275 - impressive!
10x315 - I don't think this is worth mentinion for. Let's say it's rare.
I think this is a good answer
i got 265 x 8 as my best, or 300 x 3 (not sure which is better). Probably could have done more if I hadn't been so stupid and had such bad technique. It was my dream to do 275 x 10, and i fucked myself up JUST as I was about to get it :'(
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In other words, strength is all heart and bb muscles are all crap.
well i have a lot of heart, does this mean i can get strong with no drugs
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well i have a lot of heart, does this mean i can get strong with no drugs
yes you can get very strong with no drugs aka treuly natural ,, you just going to look stiff,, stiff! but one strong mother fuckerf lol
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yes you can get very strong with no drugs aka treuly natural ,, you just going to look stiff,, stiff! but one strong mother fuckerf lol
gh15 approved
fantastic
ronnie coleman said "keep the faith and accept your calling"
this might be it
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I am 100% for a fact no people have benched 500 natural I have seen many 450 benching naturals steroid free. Steroids dont give that great a perfromance boost as many think 20% maybe. 600lb bencher would be 400-500 benchers with no juice
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I am 100% for a fact no people have benched 500 natural I have seen many 450 benching naturals steroid free. Steroids dont give that great a perfromance boost as many think 20% maybe. 600lb bencher would be 400-500 benchers with no juice
so are you saying scot mendelson could have benched 572 naturally?
since he did bench 715 raw non drug tested.
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Steroids I think add about 30% strength POTENTIALLY
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Steroids I think add about 30% strength POTENTIALLY
this would put scot mendelson in 500lbs natural bench range
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Yea but a superfat strong natural could possible get a bit more.
When I was younger I thought i would bench 500 naturally one day.
I am not built for it and never will.
I would like to thing I could hit 450.
There are guys about 90kg, thick and about 5'9 in my gym not a kick in ass of 400lbs wide grip strong bones etc is a massive factor.
I am sure there are shorter, fatter guys with less ROM who with specific training could be incredibly impressive!
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regular person, maybe 315 depending on genetics and training
meso-studmuffin natural athlete negra 315-365
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so are you saying scot mendelson could have benched 572 naturally?
since he did bench 715 raw non drug tested.
I seen fat black guys and bikers do it in the joint there are lots of guys in every big yard that can bench 400+ not bodybuilders and i know steroids I know most of these cases where natural if your willing to get fat you can get fucking strong don't kid yourself. 30% is way to high gear does not add 30% to strength maybe some monster 5gram tren oral cycle I doubt it though. 15-20% is the general. Scott would be able to bench 500 easy with out gear prolly near 550. I would say 600 is possible in the best genetic case of a near 400lb fat man. where steroids power lies in the ability to let you hold muscle while lean. The average run of the mill white guy bulked to 260-270 could prolly get 400 or close
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regular person, maybe 315 depending on genetics and training
meso-studmuffin natural athlete negra 315-365
a regular 15% or under a fat person white/black could eat them numbers for dinner I seen a fat guy hit 315 20 fucking times in prison moron guy no diet didn't train legs nothing.
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What do you think this guy is on ???
He is obviously tested very often because of competition sooo is it possible that he's natural?
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What do you think this guy is on ???
He is obviously tested very often because of competition sooo is it possible that he's natural?
no he's not natual but he is lean he could be just as strong fat and natural. He is on test base ,tren base prolly and orals
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I seen fat black guys and bikers do it in the joint there are lots of guys in every big yard that can bench 400+ not bodybuilders and i know steroids I know most of these cases where natural if your willing to get fat you can get fucking strong don't kid yourself. 30% is way to high gear does not add 30% to strength maybe some monster 5gram tren oral cycle I doubt it though. 15-20% is the general. Scott would be able to bench 500 easy with out gear prolly near 550. I would say 600 is possible in the best genetic case of a near 400lb fat man. where steroids power lies in the ability to let you hold muscle while lean. The average run of the mill white guy bulked to 260-270 could prolly get 400 or close
that's one hell of a price to pay
so in your observation in these prisons, how much could the strongest non fat guys bench? 315?
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What do you think this guy is on ???
He is obviously tested very often because of competition sooo is it possible that he's natural?
i think a good way of getting an idea what these guys are on is to check the banned substances they get busted for all the time
can only recall some females got caught with stanozolol dont know what the men usually get caught with
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that's one hell of a price to pay
so in your observation in these prisons, how much could the strongest non fat guys bench? 315?
black guys sometimes get near 400 at 10% bf or so white guys maybe 350 -360 some what lean. That not completely a good guide though there are more young blacks in prison so they have an advantage in that they have a better genetic pool to work with. Whites are there for crimes you don't have to be ass tough for also. You better be a pretty bad ass if your selling crack in your projects or you will get ran over. I you had a more even number of young whites I would guess it would be a lot closer funny the whites for the most part win the basket ball,softball and blah blah.
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500 deadlift is common in guys all sizes and leaness not that rare in prison. A lot of guys can deadlift 500. Squat are not quite as popular . Prisoners love deadlifts. Powerlifting usa is very popular most old timers have cam to the concusion powerlifting is much better then bodybuilding without diet and steroids which is 100% correct they know about 20 rep squats all that shit. Bugarian system ,smyslov westside
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500 deadlift is common in guys all sizes and leaness not that rare in prison. A lot of guys can deadlift 500. Squat are not quite as popular . Prisoners love deadlifts.
yeah 500 deadlift is pretty "easy" as in i can do that
it's the bench press the most challenging lift of all in myself and the people i have trained with over the years
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yeah 500 deadlift is pretty "easy" as in i can do that
it's the bench press the most challenging lift of all in myself and the people i have trained with over the years
bill kazmier came and visited us anthony clark all kinds of people. I didnt know that good who bill kazmier was then so like and idoit I didnt pay much attention lol I did talk to anthony clark and he benched 500 a few times for us and stuff. Think ed coan goes to. Im so stupid i was right there with bill kazmier and could have gave a fuck less lol Old time wresters go a like arn anderson and people like that
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What do you think this guy is on ???
He is obviously tested very often because of competition sooo is it possible that he's natural?
epic early arm bend
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got a fiend thats totally natural and he can bench 315 for 9
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got a fiend thats totally natural and he can bench 315 for 9
I know some strong naturals too, but at the same time with the superdrols, hdrols etc being so available you never really know who's natty these days.
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I know some strong naturals too, but at the same time with the superdrols, hdrols etc being so available you never really know who's natty these days.
true but i know this guy he wouldnt lie to me. hes not fat either
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got a fiend thats totally natural and he can bench 315 for 9
it can be done im 100% sure and surpassed it would be hard at sub 10% bf which a bodybuilder should be
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got a fiend thats totally natural and he can bench 315 for 9
what does a guy like that look like?
short/tall?
fat/lean?
bodyweight estimation?
body proportions?
wrist girth?
just wondring
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this about what your natural 400 bencher would look like not suggesting bruno or larry are natural or can even bench 400 I don't know nor do I care.
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Not necessarily that fat
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(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss308/RugbyDad/Strength/4323517556_f5ca71d74d.jpg)
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Kaz, Pudz, Savikas??? Well all these men even though strong have enhanced strength and we all know who that means. In my opinion looking at all the strongest man competitors over 33 years the only one not enhanced is Greg Ernst. This man is just a strong farmer whom has lifted 500 pound rocks and some great lifts!
Squat - 750 pounds (340 kg)
Deadlift - 800 pounds (360 kg)
Bench Press - 510 pounds (230 kg)
Backlifted over two tons (app. 5,340 lbs.)
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what does a guy like that look like?
short/tall?
fat/lean?
bodyweight estimation?
body proportions?
wrist girth?
just wondring
hes 5-10
prob 14% give or take
about 200lbs
huge chest & big tris everything else lagging
some reason he has small wrists and hands
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strong bones...usualy mean weak muscle...USUALY! strong tendoins...usualy mean shit muscle,, you will learn it in the future,, the smallest fellas on the olympics that do powerlift and lift enormous weight...notice how flat their muslcles look....they are stiff looking,, strong like mother fuckers,, its something to be proud of ...but bodybuild is pageon of narcisitc outmost proportions ,, it has nothnig to do with fucking strength
strong bodybuild is very good...but you can get very far in bodybuikld with lifting as much weight as you want,, infact you can develp best pecs in cult by only doing hammers
this is the gh15 era of bodybuild,, notice how everyone train the way i say ,, just check into kuklo the kid ,, many others,,
bodybuild has NOTHING to do with strength ,, do i like it? no,, but this is the pure facts now days
gh15 approved
You describe Rhino here, very strong tendons.
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My best effort with 315
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very very rarely can any natural bodybuilder press anything higher than mid 300s. This is at a HEALTHY weight. A low bodyfat I am talking here. Not some fella who is 300 pounds of fat.
basically at a a low bodyfat the max you may see is.
squat - 405lbs range.
deadlift - 500lbs range.
bench - 300lbs range.
the argument can be 3 plates max for a press, 4 for a back squat, and 5 for a deadlift.
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My best effort with 315
muscle monster for sure
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muscle monster for sure
Are there things Tbagz?
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muscle monster for sure
that's good strength shit for a bodybuilder or someone trying to bodybuild on basic cycles. Basic cycles 600mg deca and 600 test usually don't get "BODYBUILDERS" much past a 400 bench if that. A gram test will get the average lean man on a bodybuilding progam to near 400 not much more. Want to bench a lot orals are your friend :) I cant use them like I would like because my heavy drinking although my liver test comes back fine I'm a little gun shy. After hearing wes saying they glen chabot was poppin 400mg what can 40mg hurt huh lol. If you took a 1gram of test that is prolly where you would be in 5-6 months purenatualstrength
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I'd say spot on with those numbers. I remember competing in 1992 with 7 years training I did a 276.5 bench for a record, 440 dead and a 405 squat at a bodyweight of 162 and I was a junior
very very rarely can any natural bodybuilder press anything higher than mid 300s. This is at a HEALTHY weight. A low bodyfat I am talking here. Not some fella who is 300 pounds of fat.
basically at a a low bodyfat the max you may see is.
squat - 405lbs range.
deadlift - 500lbs range.
bench - 300lbs range.
the argument can be 3 plates max for a press, 4 for a back squat, and 5 for a deadlift.
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My best effort with 315
impressive! natural? this is my dream, bench 3 plates for like 5 reps
how long did you train to achieve this
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I'd say spot on with those numbers. I remember competing in 1992 with 7 years training I did a 276.5 bench for a record, 440 dead and a 405 squat at a bodyweight of 162 and I was a junior
the squat numbers are too low, but i'm not sure how much too low, maybe 10-15%
most people achieve 405 squat 495 deadlift without too much difficulty
the bench is where the challenge lies
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very very rarely can any natural bodybuilder press anything higher than mid 300s. This is at a HEALTHY weight. A low bodyfat I am talking here. Not some fella who is 300 pounds of fat.
basically at a a low bodyfat the max you may see is.
squat - 405lbs range.
deadlift - 500lbs range.
bench - 300lbs range.
the argument can be 3 plates max for a press, 4 for a back squat, and 5 for a deadlift.
decent post, and pretty much spot on
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Spot on my ass lol. :D
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so you think lifetime natties can do better?
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Ofcourse.
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very very rarely can any natural bodybuilder press anything higher than mid 300s. This is at a HEALTHY weight. A low bodyfat I am talking here. Not some fella who is 300 pounds of fat.
basically at a a low bodyfat the max you may see is.
squat - 405lbs range.
deadlift - 500lbs range.
bench - 300lbs range.
the argument can be 3 plates max for a press, 4 for a back squat, and 5 for a deadlift.
So your speaking for 6 billion people on earth
I just love when you guys come out with horseshit like this
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very very rarely can any natural bodybuilder press anything higher than mid 300s. This is at a HEALTHY weight. A low bodyfat I am talking here. Not some fella who is 300 pounds of fat.
basically at a a low bodyfat the max you may see is.
squat - 405lbs range.
deadlift - 500lbs range.
bench - 300lbs range.
the argument can be 3 plates max for a press, 4 for a back squat, and 5 for a deadlift.
There are 3 guys in my gym all about 87kg and 5'9 who can press about 350-380
Depending on body shape etc the squat and deadlift can be much higher but generally no one has 3 great lifts at sub 90kg and natural
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The guy on teh left of the screen spotting also can bench about 160-165kg at mid 80's bw
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The guy on teh left of the screen spotting also can bench about 160-165kg at mid 80's bw
good press....
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Uneven but lighten it 5kg and form is better. I gues it is because it is pretty much his max
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True because the numbers for the guy I competed against had only a 225 bench but hat a 502 dead and a 435 squat. Again we competed at 162 lbs.
the squat numbers are too low, but i'm not sure how much too low, maybe 10-15%
most people achieve 405 squat 495 deadlift without too much difficulty
the bench is where the challenge lies
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True because the numbers for the guy I competed against had only a 225 bench but hat a 502 dead and a 435 squat.
because legs have a lot more motor units than arms so the harder you try the more force you can generate
no i'm just randomly saying things i dont know why
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Well then we get into joint size. Mine are very small, 7inch wrist, 12.5inch knee. So many factors!!
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Well then we get into joint size. Mine are very small, 7inch wrist, 12.5inch knee. So many factors!!
7" wrist is medium
6" small
8" big
just like cocks
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Haha true. I can't hit bottom but I sure give the sides hell ;D
7" wrist is medium
6" small
8" big
just like cocks
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Haha true. I can't hit bottom but I sure give the sides hell ;D
yeah i'm not sure what small, medium, and big length would be
girth is most important
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good press....
Fool ::)
Terrible form. Would have been 3 reds in comp.
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impressive! natural? this is my dream, bench 3 plates for like 5 reps
how long did you train to achieve this
Yep, lifetime natty - despite what some people on here say.
Been training on and off 10 years. This was when I focussed on improving my bench for about 6 months. Did a lot of heavy shoulder work. Heavy military presses were the key. Plus a lot of heavy tricep work. Benching twice a week. One heavy, one in the 20 - 30 rep range per set.
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nothing worse than someone who tries their best to get a response from you
and you just keep ignoring there existence...
... because well .. there just not in the same class
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nyway
goudy /ursus was that video at your gym
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The guy on teh left of the screen spotting also can bench about 160-165kg at mid 80's bw
this is what i talk about ,, strongest bones and tendoins ,, almost no lean muscle,, this is exactly the look ,, if you ar efella who look lik ehtis fella ...go and do powerlift you will get far!
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Yep, lifetime natty - despite what some people on here say.
Been training on and off 10 years. This was when I focussed on improving my bench for about 6 months. Did a lot of heavy shoulder work. Heavy military presses were the key. Plus a lot of heavy tricep work. Benching twice a week. One heavy, one in the 20 - 30 rep range per set.
I made my best pressing gains doing something similar. For a lot of lifts the typical BB routine, hit the lift once a week isn't best. Try improving pullups just doing them once a week. lol
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135
hopes this helps
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I'd say spot on with those numbers. I remember competing in 1992 with 7 years training I did a 276.5 bench for a record, 440 dead and a 405 squat at a bodyweight of 162 and I was a junior
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Wait....if Penis Polisher did those #'s in '92 w/7 years of training.......and he claims to be 27.........that would mean he did those numbers at birth!!!!!!!!! ??? :o
Impressive. :D
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Wait....if Penis Polisher did those #'s in '92 w/7 years of training.......and he claims to be 27.........that would mean he did those numbers at birth!!!!!!!!! ??? :o
Impressive. :D
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this is what i talk about ,, strongest bones and tendoins ,, almost no lean muscle,, this is exactly the look ,, if you ar efella who look lik ehtis fella ...go and do powerlift you will get far!
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I agree he is not muscular at all.
Obviously with his top off he would look trained but ina baggy t shirt or even a normal t shirt you would never know he lifted
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nothing worse than someone who tries their best to get a response from you
and you just keep ignoring there existence...
... because well .. there just not in the same class
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nyway
goudy /ursus was that video at your gym
Yea that is my gym.
Why you ask?
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The guy on teh left of the screen spotting also can bench about 160-165kg at mid 80's bw
nice lift but why the faggy arch? Ruins the lift.
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You dont read well. Your combining two different events, the post was in 92 with seven years of training, I was 22. The pic was at 27. I'am now 42, how you managed to screw things up must be an inditement of the American educational system.
Wait....if Penis Polisher did those #'s in '92 w/7 years of training.......and he claims to be 27.........that would mean he did those numbers at birth!!!!!!!!! ??? :o
Impressive. :D
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You dont read well. Your combining two different events, the post was in 92 with seven years of training, I was 22. The pic was at 27. I'am now 42, how you managed to screw things up must be an inditement of the American educational system.
Where in this post about that picture did you ever indicate it was not a current pic? In fact you claim to not be an old man and only 27.
Must be some kind of Pollok math going on over there. :-\
Spin spin spin old man....the lies are breaking down Mr "I do rows with the 200#db's".
Not an old man Chaos, 27 here. And for the shirts and dont like looking like a homo in those tankini's
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I know we all pick on eachother here but why is it so hard to believe I do 200lb 1 arm rows, 80lb side laterals, kickbacks with 80lbs, 160lb incline db press, 150lb db shoulder press
Where in this post about that picture did you ever indicate it was not a current pic? In fact you claim to not be an old man and only 27.
Must be some kind of Pollok math going on over there. :-\
Spin spin spin old man....the lies are breaking down Mr "I do rows with the 200#db's".
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I know we all pick on eachother here but why is it so hard to believe I do 200lb 1 arm rows, 80lb side laterals, kickbacks with 80lbs, 160lb incline db press, 150lb db shoulder press
Sure you do stud, and you have topless supermodels as spotters too right? ::)
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Strength is all training, size is all drugs.
That's it fellas, gh15 is right on this one.
What a bunch of crock.
We can all pretend to play it which ever way - that big tendons means small muscles. Big muscles equal small/weak tendons.
Strength = all drugs
BB Size = all drugs
Most of us who have ever been around powerlifting competitions know this from close friends and general observations. Powerlifting falls in the same realm as bodybuilding size -- all drugs.
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i think a good way of getting an idea what these guys are on is to check the banned substances they get busted for all the time
can only recall some females got caught with stanozolol dont know what the men usually get caught with
nandrolone (Deca durabolin)
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I know some strong naturals too, but at the same time with the superdrols, hdrols etc being so available you never really know who's natty these days.
Everyone likes to kid themselves with "natural" this and "natural" that. And PRETENDING to know things for a fact.
There are limitations. Human strength is not infinite. Once you cross a certain # - the lies have already begun.
How about the cycle one did 1 year ago, 2 years ago, or 5 years ago?
That one cycle that took one over their natural limitation forever. And since then, they have never looked back. Once someone has crossed the limit - no one's going to give you a Oprah like confession - more like Jerry Springer like pep talk -- when push comes to shove on their naturalness. Everybody likes to lie to themselves and others - make believe of sorts, that this is what they are really doing ... naturally. In fact, humans thrive on lies and deceit to make themselves something they are not. Basically a Pat Banana conundrum.
Yes, pro-hormones are steroids too. The 'liars and filth', need NOT apply and try to defend themselves, because they think that somehow they categorically fall into the realm of the "natural" defense.
Anybody who thinks they know FOR A FACT their friend(s) is "natural", and doing this or that doesn't know their left foot from right foot.
Are your there 24/7/365. NO!
Nobody knows as a fact of matter & NO ONE will tell you - And that includes your (best) friends.
It's a dog eat dog world!
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I totally disagree strenght is not the same as bodybuilding when it come to drugs bodybuilding equals all muscle no other factor. Powerlifting has a lot to do with out right will/nervous system leverages,tendons and a lot more then muscle. People underestimate how much one can improve ones strength strictly by improving technique also. I agree to be the best or close in powerlifting u need drugs but you can get closer naturlly then in bodybuilding.
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Everyone likes to kid themselves with "natural" this and "natural" that. And PRETENDING to know things for a fact.
There are limitations. Human strength is not infinite. Once you cross a certain # - the lies have already begun.
How about the cycle one did 1 year ago, 2 years ago, or 5 years ago?
That one cycle that took one over their natural limitation forever. And since then, they have never looked back. Once someone has crossed the limit - no one's going to give you a Oprah like confession - more like Jerry Springer like pep talk -- when push comes to shove on their naturalness. Everybody likes to lie to themselves and others - make believe of sorts, that this is what they are really doing ... naturally. In fact, humans thrive on lies and deceit to make themselves something they are not. Basically a Pat Banana conundrum.
Yes, pro-hormones are steroids too. The 'liars and filth', need NOT apply and try to defend themselves, because they think that somehow they categorically fall into the realm of the "natural" defense.
Anybody who thinks they know FOR A FACT their friend(s) is "natural", and doing this or that doesn't know their left foot from right foot.
Are your there 24/7/365. NO!
Nobody knows as a fact of matter & NO ONE will tell you - And that includes your (best) friends.
It's a dog eat dog world!
I agree 100%, been saying this for a long time
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Everyone likes to kid themselves with "natural" this and "natural" that. And PRETENDING to know things for a fact.
There are limitations. Human strength is not infinite. Once you cross a certain # - the lies have already begun.
How about the cycle one did 1 year ago, 2 years ago, or 5 years ago?
That one cycle that took one over their natural limitation forever. And since then, they have never looked back. Once someone has crossed the limit - no one's going to give you a Oprah like confession - more like Jerry Springer like pep talk -- when push comes to shove on their naturalness. Everybody likes to lie to themselves and others - make believe of sorts, that this is what they are really doing ... naturally. In fact, humans thrive on lies and deceit to make themselves something they are not. Basically a Pat Banana conundrum.
Yes, pro-hormones are steroids too. The 'liars and filth', need NOT apply and try to defend themselves, because they think that somehow they categorically fall into the realm of the "natural" defense.
Anybody who thinks they know FOR A FACT their friend(s) is "natural", and doing this or that doesn't know their left foot from right foot.
Are your there 24/7/365. NO!
Nobody knows as a fact of matter & NO ONE will tell you - And that includes your (best) friends.
It's a dog eat dog world!
i tell all my friends, most of them don't weightlift or if they do it's like benching 120 pounds for 4 reps (yes some guys can't even max out at 150 pounds).
i don't know why anyone cares in the slightest, the only apprehension i have is telling strangers since it's illegal and also my mother just because my mother is one of those mothers.
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Leverage and proportions play a huge part in strength. ie. moving weight over distance
Size is all drugs
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condition while keeping size... is all drugs too lol
everything is all drugs,, this is why we are NOT sport lol ,,its not little drugs,, our sport is evolved AROUND drugs
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condition while keeping size... is all drugs too lol
everything is all drugs,, this is why we are NOT sport lol ,,its not little drugs,, our sport is evolved AROUND drugs
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Wouldn't you say the same's almost as applicable to powerlifting too, though? Especially the non-tested but raw stuff. Periodization was predicated on guys coming off drugs or cutting doses back when the Basile types would all get together and pow-wow about whether it'd be safe to go from 2 CIBA Dianabols to 3/day.
That's sarcasm, btw ;) But in all seriousness, superheavy powerlifters give sweet-fuck-all about condition, the gH "3D look" and any semblance of balanced development, but the PLers I've known had the same kind of "either train 'on' or don't fucking bother" mentality. Imagine some guy like Louie Simmons training without AAS.
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i tell all my friends, most of them don't weightlift or if they do it's like benching 120 pounds for 4 reps (yes some guys can't even max out at 150 pounds).
i don't know why anyone cares in the slightest, the only apprehension i have is telling strangers since it's illegal and also my mother just because my mother is one of those mothers.
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i am a life time natural and today i bench pressed 150 kg for one easy rep (BW 79-80 kg).. will try 155 kg next time.. i did it few years ago but was 3-4 kg heavier than now!!..
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i am a life time natural and today i bench pressed 150 kg for one easy rep (BW 79-80 kg).. will try 155 kg next time.. i did it few years ago but was 3-4 kg heavier than now!!..
my old coach who was a very bitter and angry natural did 150kg with pause and 155kg without pause, he was tall with long arms so i guess someone with better leverages can go more
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My friend is between 5'8"-5'9", and weighs 245. Approx 20-24% bf.
Benches 180kg for 5-6 reps.
Lifetime natural.
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my old coach who was a very bitter and angry natural did 150kg with pause and 155kg without pause, he was tall with long arms so i guess someone with better leverages can go more
yes sure there are many naturals who are stronger than me and than your tall old coach.. i was just talking about what i did :P
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yes sure there are many naturals who are stronger than me and than your tall old coach.. i was just talking about what i did :P
of course i was just comparing you to an exactly similar number guy
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my old coach who was a very bitter and angry natural did 150kg with pause and 155kg without pause, he was tall with long arms so i guess someone with better leverages can go more
haha this is hilarious.....can you elaborate, PNS ?
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also the form (technique) plays a very important role when you do one heavy rep of bench press.. my training partner is noticeably stronger than me in nearly all press exercises (shoulders and chest) except the flat bench press,.. i lift a little heavier than him when we do one rep or few reps with the max. weight.. here is he spotting me in one heavy set 8)
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strenght is more to do with tendoins and bones than actual muscle,, you will learn it ,,
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yes it does...but that is purely genetics.
for every individual though, the more muscle they have, the stronger they are.
thats the correlation.
there's NEVER been a correlation between different genetic makeups..NEVER.
there's always been a correlation between muscle mass and strength- for each individual.
its a proven FACT, that larger muscle size = greater strength. thats why we lift in the rep ranges we do.
to dumb it down for you gh15...this means you cannot compare muscle mass of people with different genetic predisposition to strength.
in a large enough group you can though, IF you measure each person's strength versus muscle mass and plot it as % increases.
you Sir, are delusional and overly simplistic in your understanding of human physiology...in fact its not just humans, its any mammal and a bunch of non mammals too.
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600 pound bench natural is very possible and a bit more .
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600 pound bench natural is very possible and a bit more .
You must know something I don't..... :-[
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yes it does...but that is purely genetics.
for every individual though, the more muscle they have, the stronger they are.
thats the correlation.
there's NEVER been a correlation between different genetic makeups..NEVER.
there's always been a correlation between muscle mass and strength- for each individual.
its a proven FACT, that larger muscle size = greater strength. thats why we lift in the rep ranges we do.
to dumb it down for you gh15...this means you cannot compare muscle mass of people with different genetic predisposition to strength.
in a large enough group you can though, IF you measure each person's strength versus muscle mass and plot it as % increases.
you Sir, are delusional and overly simplistic in your understanding of human physiology...in fact its not just humans, its any mammal and a bunch of non mammals too.
spot on post
AJ approved
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haha this is hilarious.....can you elaborate, PNS ?
just sayin'...he keeps telling stories about back in the day how he knew juicers with huge arms and he was able to out-cheat-curl them ...
and they look really old and bad now....
i keep thinking "yeah that's cool and everything but clearly you are mad you were not swole and strong like them"
too many anecdotes about how he was stronger than them juiced big arm guys etc
as if they cared about strength
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600 pound bench natural is very possible and a bit more .
Oh yeah.
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Oh yeah.
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I know one natural that can hit mid-500....in a shirt, good for mid/upper 400's without it. He competes @275#
I also know juicers that rep 455-495 @ 220#
Not sure where all these natural huge bench/squat/deads are taking place.
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I know one natural that can hit mid-500....in a shirt, good for mid/upper 400's without it. He competes @275#
I also know juicers that rep 455-495 @ 220#
Not sure where all these natural huge bench/squat/deads are taking place.
Not at the meets I attend.
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I know one natural that can hit mid-500....in a shirt, good for mid/upper 400's without it. He competes @275#
I also know juicers that rep 455-495 @ 220#
Not sure where all these natural huge bench/squat/deads are taking place.
In prison, of course. In 'the yard' everyone who's fat can bench 500+ if they eat enough chitlins and collards
in the last decade in gyms, including PLing gyms I've only ever seen one 500+ raw bench press from a huge fat 'possible' natural, so obviously going to prison makes a huge difference to people's strength.
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kazmaier who did 300 kilos in a t shirt certainly could bench 600 pounds clean . he was a superheavy of course . by clean i mean no steroids . i know a guy who benched 520 pounds back in 1961 at 182 bwt . was he on something dont know . those drugs messed things doug hepburn benched 575 pounds in the fifties also .
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kazmaier who did 300 kilos in a t shirt certainly could bench 600 pounds clean . he was a superheavy of course . by clean i mean no steroids . i know a guy who benched 520 pounds back in 1961 at 182 bwt . was he on something dont know . those drugs messed things doug hepburn benched 575 pounds in the fifties also .
Kazmaier no steroids ;D ;D
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135
hope this helps
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kaz was on steroids too . in my case anabolics made me gain size but not that much strentgh . and i became horny as hell on them . squats play a part here .
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225 x 20 reps at 195lbs. Feet up on bench, full reps, hope this helps, also 375 for 1 with 3 second pause.
No bench shirt or wraps or whatever else, T-shirt and shorts.