How much can a real natural bodybuilder bench press?

[Coach is Back!]

how is it a lie?? how do u know fool

In the case my statement I don't think he's lying once again I think he's misinformed.

[tlc]

I'm still waiting for an explanation for this.

Nature favours efficiency would be one answer. A shorter muscle attached to a longer tendon that extends just a few mm further past the joint's leverage point can exert as much force as a larger muscle/shorter tendon, but is energetically far less costly to maintain.

Or so I tell myself, with my crap biceps - I'm NOT inferior, I'm just more highly evolved! Dammit. 

[Psyckle]

I'm still waiting for an explanation for this.

It's because people with stronger tendons train like or are powerlifters and are more concerned about moving the weight from point a to point b.  Because of this, they tend not to care about isolating the muscle/mind to muscle connection.  They will do whatever in order to move the weight and not really concerned about what muscles are being stimulated.  As a result, the tendons take alot of the brunt and become stronger.

[purenaturalstrength]

lol, I can't believe you actually just said that. HahHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH

So what do you say when the kids ask you in the gym what you are on?

hard work and dedication


chickn and brokli fella


protien powdrez and creatinos

[aesthetics]

size and strength go together when you're talking about real muscle, "mature muscle" but when you're talking about philsulina size then no, but that is what comprises most of the size bodybuilders have.

[purenaturalstrength]

size and strength go together when you're talking about real muscle, "mature muscle" but when you're talking about philsulina size then no, but that is what comprises most of the size bodybuilders have.

so their muscles blow up but there is no functional increase of contractile units?

[Super Natural]

Strongest guy I ever saw also was the fattest.  Remember him?  Anthony Clark.  Guy was a beast, but round and fat.

PIP
I shook his hand at the 2000 Mr olympia. It was was like shaking hands with a hot water bottle about to burst  

[Karpaasi]

How much can naturals bench press? (touch and go, hardly anyone pauses them)

How about we put this way.

10x135 - your avarage gym guy
10x185 - better than average
10x225 - advanced. Good lift.
10x275 - impressive!

10x315 - I don't think this is worth mentinion for. Let's say it's rare.

[Krankenstein]

van b----------------------------------------------------------------> is right there,, i just say hands on from many many years of experience i probably can get you techinical answer liek you love but too much effort to go look for it ,, or to even think about it right now when i about to go train chest
maybe later ,, van b can come here and explain or maybe even you can ,, or...few others will do it gladly for you my love

gh15 approved

Translation : I dont know whatthe fuck I am talking about.

[doriancutlerman]

just take a look into mat c....he is porobably strongest getbiger,, probably he is the ones,, yes he did hormones but still horible muscle shape well not horible but lacking and stiff looking and yet EXTREMLY STRONG

?

For such a thinly-built guy, sure, but strongest getbigger?  Not even close, boss.

[dj181]

PIP
I shook his hand at the 2000 Mr olympia. It was was like shaking hands with a hot water bottle about to burst  

he claims to have been 8% bodyfat, and his bench was a touch and go affair without a lockout

[1stkeepitreal]

he cant do that

because

he is a drug dealer / not a pro

X many!

In addition Ron needs to ban god of homos forever for using this board to sell his products and promoting a life of steroids, GH and insulin to the youth of the membership.

[bigdelts]

size and strength go together when you're talking about real muscle, "mature muscle" but when you're talking about philsulina size then no, but that is what comprises most of the size bodybuilders have.

Real muscle that you said, is the myofribilar hypetrophy that build new actin/myosin and then you gain strength and muscle size...
You can have this with low rep lifting

Philinsulina is more sarcoplasmatic hypertrophy increase the number of mitochondria,put fluid into the muscle


Baah this theory about tendons and bones,i want to know to the reason of muscle size means weak tendons and strong tendons means weak muscle size...

[Darren Avey]

If I had some strength facts it would be easier to spot juicers and fake naturals in the gym, since I suck at sizeing up height, weight, arm girth...


Counting weights is easier


How much can naturals bench press? (touch and go, hardly anyone pauses them)


let's just do bench press since squat is too hard to say with different styles....


and everyone trains bench press...

Depends on the individual you daty girl!!

[Man of Steel]

Strength is all training, size is all drugs.

That's it fellas, gh15 is right on this one.

In other words, strength is all heart and bb muscles are all crap.

[StanZoLOL]

Strength is all training, size is all drugs.

Then following that logic, a natural should be able to set 100m world record, raw bench world record, etc.

[Man of Steel]

Then following that logic, a natural should be able to set 100m world record, raw bench world record, etc.

It's not impossible.  Attaining lean, muscular size like that of bb isn't possible without drugs, but yes some strength gains do occur on gear.

[StanZoLOL]

It's not impossible.  Attaining lean, muscular size like that of bb isn't possible without drugs.

I agree on the BB size, but if it were possible there would be naturals benchin 650-700 in line with the top level drug guys. There aren't.

[Man of Steel]

I agree on the BB size, but if it were possible there would be naturals benchin 650-700 in line with the top level drug guys. There aren't.

This implies that there aren't any naturals capable of 650-700 bench.  I don't believe that.  At the level of competition you mention you find the same caliber of person....they'll do whatever it takes....gear, coke, cow dung, raw eggs, whatever.   Most naturals don't think in those terms.

[The_Punisher]

you'll bench press as much as this moron

[StanZoLOL]

This implies that there aren't any naturals capable of 650-700 bench.  I don't believe that.

Agree to disagree then. lol Then again even if one did 650+ everyone would think he was juiced anyway...

[mesmorph78]

This board has become a joke
Ron you dropped the ball in regards to moderation
Board is totally over run by one troll and his gimmicks and followers
Complete joke

[Dr Dutch]

hahahaha wow this is cool.....I only got a stuffed hawk that killed itself crahing into my window...

[aesthetics]

hahahaha wow this is cool.....I only got a stuffed hawk that killed itself crahing into my window...

paint your windows opaque otherwise the wildlife commission will fine you for killing endangered species 

[Dr Dutch]

paint your windows opaque otherwise the wildlife commission will fine you for killing endangered species 

I still got 2 birds and a mole in my freezer. It's just too damn expensive to have them stuffed...

And I needed a form from the local polie station to have the hawk stuffed by some registrated guy...this is Holland.