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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Steroids Info & Hardcore => Topic started by: Jovo on February 19, 2012, 09:28:38 PM
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Want to see what you guys think would be the best...
12 weeks of test e alone ? or with 4-6 weeks dbol at the start .. ? 400 mg or 500 mg ? ect
wanna see what some of you guys think
also do you think a serm/ai is needed on cycle ? or jsut to sue it when your nips are getting itchy/sore or if you're getting bloated as fuk ?
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Even test alone would be a great cycle for a newbie.
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Even test alone would be a great cycle for a newbie.
That's what i'm thinking bro.. why risk assing stuff like dbol in .. when i can just test out how i react to test alone and how I recover, If i have trouble gaining and recovering fro 12 weeks of test alone, i will know this isn't for me..
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I'm still a newbie in a sense. My first run was with test C only. Great way to pop your cherry. Really put all the media hype and bullshit to rest that you hear about testosterone. I like the feeling it gives you. More daring/confident. Muscles heal fast as hell. Worst sides were bacne, loss of appetite?(weird one, don't ask me why), and this weird kind of anxiety/exhilaration feeling. I'm assuming because it was such a new thing to my system. As time passed I threw in a couple of other things down the road and that's when I realized how certain types of gear work synergistically with eachother. With the combo I'm running now my appetite is through the roof, I crave that anxiety/exhilaration feeling that I get now. All I can think about is my next workout(and vagina). And the way I have spread out my injections I might get one zit on my back once a week. Not to beat a dead horse but if I only had the $ and connect for legit GH my dear lord the possibilities. The only thing I hate is trying to keep your estrogen under control. Ai's play hell on my libido. I am adding masteron and trying a few supplements recommended by one of the getbiggers. So we will see. Oh, and my favorite. If you've ever seen office space, gear has turned me into Peter at work. I just don't give a fuck. Especially with the inner office politics and drama. When anyone that I cant stand starts to talk to me at work its like they're talking to a blank wall. And then in the middle of their rant I just sigh and walk away. Don't even say a word. Now I'm just left completely alone. And I took it a step further and grew a full beard. No one will say shit now. Now I look like the transition period from caveman to modern man lol.
Back on point. My buddy is wanting to dabble and I told him to just start with test first. Like a test drive(no pun). He's the typical guy who heard or read something negative from the media about roid rage, the same media that demonizes weed, but drink yourself to death cuz that's legal media. It was like trying to tell a chick that if they lift weights they're not going to get huge overnight(god I'm sick of that conversation).
I went from pinning twice a week to everyday, sometimes twice a day. But remember like the Vets on here say: 'once you start down the path of the darkside, it sucks you in deeper and deeper and you will never want to come off'. I can see why now. Esp when people(mainly females) start commenting on the fact you look in shape, that shit is intoxicating. Actually I enjoy coming off and becoming a normal human again. It's just hell waiting for your body to regain homeostasis. I can't do clomid/pct. I lasted a week on that shit. It takes awhile to get back to being you. I'm way more laid back and mellow. Alot more social at work. Just hate going around big crowds socially. Driving around assholes is easier. Juicing? The only thing that gets me is driving. That's where I'm gonna get into trouble. I road rage bad. Outside of my vehicle I'm totally fine. I'm possibly thinking of the Superman/Clark Kent cycling. 6 months on, 6 months off. Staying on for life is tempting though. But 15-20 yrs straight? Maybe moderate dose test and hgh if it becomes more abundant and affordable, then maybe. But full on blast and cruising forever? IDK man.
Oh P.S. this is a trensomnia post. I woke up wide awake at 330am AZ time in a pool of sweat, did my A.M. inject, took my ECA, Gagged down a shake, Now I'm gonna train legs. How sick is that?
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I'm still a newbie in a sense. My first run was with test C only. Great way to pop your cherry. Really put all the media hype and bullshit to rest that you hear about testosterone. I like the feeling it gives you. More daring/confident. Muscles heal fast as hell. Worst sides were bacne, loss of appetite?(weird one, don't ask me why), and this weird kind of anxiety/exhilaration feeling. I'm assuming because it was such a new thing to my system. As time passed I threw in a couple of other things down the road and that's when I realized how certain types of gear work synergistically with eachother. With the combo I'm running now my appetite is through the roof, I crave that anxiety/exhilaration feeling that I get now. All I can think about is my next workout(and vagina). And the way I have spread out my injections I might get one zit on my back once a week. Not to beat a dead horse but if I only had the $ and connect for legit GH my dear lord the possibilities. The only thing I hate is trying to keep your estrogen under control. Ai's play hell on my libido. I am adding masteron and trying a few supplements recommended by one of the getbiggers. So we will see. Oh, and my favorite. If you've ever seen office space, gear has turned me into Peter at work. I just don't give a fuck. Especially with the inner office politics and drama. When anyone that I cant stand starts to talk to me at work its like they're talking to a blank wall. And then in the middle of their rant I just sigh and walk away. Don't even say a word. Now I'm just left completely alone. And I took it a step further and grew a full beard. No one will say shit now. Now I look like the transition period from caveman to modern man lol.
Back on point. My buddy is wanting to dabble and I told him to just start with test first. Like a test drive(no pun). He's the typical guy who heard or read something negative from the media about roid rage, the same media that demonizes weed, but drink yourself to death cuz that's legal media. It was like trying to tell a chick that if they lift weights they're not going to get huge overnight(god I'm sick of that conversation).
I went from pinning twice a week to everyday, sometimes twice a day. But remember like the Vets on here say: 'once you start down the path of the darkside, it sucks you in deeper and deeper and you will never want to come off'. I can see why now. Esp when people(mainly females) start commenting on the fact you look in shape, that shit is intoxicating. Actually I enjoy coming off and becoming a normal human again. It's just hell waiting for your body to regain homeostasis. I can't do clomid/pct. I lasted a week on that shit. It takes awhile to get back to being you. I'm way more laid back and mellow. Alot more social at work. Just hate going around big crowds socially. Driving around assholes is easier. Juicing? The only thing that gets me is driving. That's where I'm gonna get into trouble. I road rage bad. Outside of my vehicle I'm totally fine. I'm possibly thinking of the Superman/Clark Kent cycling. 6 months on, 6 months off. Staying on for life is tempting though. But 15-20 yrs straight? Maybe moderate dose test and hgh if it becomes more abundant and affordable, then maybe. But full on blast and cruising forever? IDK man.
Oh P.S. this is a trensomnia post. I woke up wide awake at 330am AZ time in a pool of sweat, did my A.M. inject, took my ECA, Gagged down a shake, Now I'm gonna train legs. How sick is that?
Enjoyed reading this post!
lol @ Peter from Office Space.
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Want to see what you guys think would be the best...
12 weeks of test e alone ? or with 4-6 weeks dbol at the start .. ? 400 mg or 500 mg ? ect
wanna see what some of you guys think
also do you think a serm/ai is needed on cycle ? or jsut to sue it when your nips are getting itchy/sore or if you're getting bloated as fuk ?
I think its a little hard to suggest to someone what a good "first cycle" would be. Personally, I think its best to look at certain steroids and see what potential side effects you are not willing to put up with and go from there. Also, look at what you're trying to accomplish. All steroids will help you put on weight but what kind of gains are you looking to get?
Sure you can be more strict with diet or run ai's to help with bloat but do you really wanna be running more drugs when you could just start off with something that won't bloat you to begin with.
I know its been done to death lately wrt to hair loss but I am predisposed to it so it would be hard for me to suggest that someone to run test as their first cycle. Sure you can run finasteride but there you go adding more drugs again...plus you'll more likely be adding an anti e due to the lack of dht.
Its your body and if you run into side effects you're the one that's gonna have to deal with them...insomnia, acne, hair loss, gyno,etc. Not that you are guaranteed to experience them but some steroids are more likely to cause them if you are predisposed.
Having said all that at some point you may say fuck it and just deal with side effects as they come. I am a noob to all this stuff myself and what t-rex said is so true in that "the darkside" sucks you deeper and deeper.
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what is your guys view on keepablegains ?
I want to cut down to 10% bf and then do it, my plan is to just hit my genetic limit faster for now, now there is some people that say you will lsoe gainz, but wouldnt i keep most gains as long as i am under my natty limit and keep training and dieting properly ?
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what is your guys view on keepablegains ?
I want to cut down to 10% bf and then do it, my plan is to just hit my genetic limit faster for now, now there is some people that say you will lsoe gainz, but wouldnt i keep most gains as long as i am under my natty limit and keep training and dieting properly ?
THE HORMONES MAKE YOU WHAT YOU ARE. YOU CAN "KEEP" THOSE GAINS FOR A FEW WEEKS PERHAPS 2-3 MONTHS, BUT DONT FOOL YOURSELF WHAT'S THE MOST INDISPENSABLE THING IN THIS EQUATION: DRUGS + TRAINING + DIET + (CARDIO) + TIME? IT'S THE DRUGS. TAKE OUT THE FIRST DOMINO, KEEP THE OTHERS IN AND IT JUST WON'T BE THE SAME.
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what is your guys view on keepablegains ?
I want to cut down to 10% bf and then do it, my plan is to just hit my genetic limit faster for now, now there is some people that say you will lsoe gainz, but wouldnt i keep most gains as long as i am under my natty limit and keep training and dieting properly ?
Your plan of reaching your genetic limit faster makes sense. However, you gotta keep in mind that after a cycle your natural hormone levels will be very low and you may end up smaller than your natural limit if your body is unable to recover well.
I think if you go ahead and do a cycle you're just wanna keep on doing it anyway but who knows.
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Your plan of reaching your genetic limit faster makes sense. However, you gotta keep in mind that after a cycle your natural hormone levels will be very low and you may end up smaller than your natural limit if your body is unable to recover well.
I think if you go ahead and do a cycle you're just wanna keep on doing it anyway but who knows.
so you're saying its very hard to actually recover properly from it ? and even if it just testosterone cycle my levels will never be the same ?
I see what you're saying man, and you're most likely right, and tbh i def wouldn't want to go down that road( no offence at all to those who would/are)
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Just remebwr when test was made all steroids after were made to be better more anabolic with less sides. They noticed tons of sides with test like prostate problems hairloss gyno. And they did just what the intended to made better anabolics.
Even gh15 says dbol only cycles are great cycles and said its probably the best for mass all on its own and many agree to just how anabolic dbol is. Not to mention if Ur so qorries about sides test takes weeks to clear by next day on dbol it will clear and u can stop your cycle. Duno why people suggest test only first cycles still with gh15 who opened our eyes. Gh says many times test isn't needed and really the pros only cycle test in and our whole on high dose gh. Many better options I think. Even deca dbol u will be leaner than test only cycle I legit hate test now finally using cycles without it. no more hairloss no more ugly test bloated look lean and round always now.
Even back in the old days arnolds days they all saw test as the big scary monster of side effects.
Dbol quick easy to cycle first time with great gains. People who lose most there gains off oral only cycles are generally because its the people who arnt that serious in the first place about bodybuilding and won't inject so they are nor that serious in there training or diet. Some of my beat gains were on orals myself. Stuff like SD dbol even anadrol alone was better than test alone. Only diff was the test made me lose hair and way to horny. Also ugly squared bloated look.
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I'm still a newbie in a sense. My first run was with test C only. Great way to pop your cherry. Really put all the media hype and bullshit to rest that you hear about testosterone. I like the feeling it gives you. More daring/confident. Muscles heal fast as hell. Worst sides were bacne, loss of appetite?(weird one, don't ask me why), and this weird kind of anxiety/exhilaration feeling. I'm assuming because it was such a new thing to my system. As time passed I threw in a couple of other things down the road and that's when I realized how certain types of gear work synergistically with eachother. With the combo I'm running now my appetite is through the roof, I crave that anxiety/exhilaration feeling that I get now. All I can think about is my next workout(and vagina). And the way I have spread out my injections I might get one zit on my back once a week. Not to beat a dead horse but if I only had the $ and connect for legit GH my dear lord the possibilities. The only thing I hate is trying to keep your estrogen under control. Ai's play hell on my libido. I am adding masteron and trying a few supplements recommended by one of the getbiggers. So we will see. Oh, and my favorite. If you've ever seen office space, gear has turned me into Peter at work. I just don't give a fuck. Especially with the inner office politics and drama. When anyone that I cant stand starts to talk to me at work its like they're talking to a blank wall. And then in the middle of their rant I just sigh and walk away. Don't even say a word. Now I'm just left completely alone. And I took it a step further and grew a full beard. No one will say shit now. Now I look like the transition period from caveman to modern man lol.
Back on point. My buddy is wanting to dabble and I told him to just start with test first. Like a test drive(no pun). He's the typical guy who heard or read something negative from the media about roid rage, the same media that demonizes weed, but drink yourself to death cuz that's legal media. It was like trying to tell a chick that if they lift weights they're not going to get huge overnight(god I'm sick of that conversation).
I went from pinning twice a week to everyday, sometimes twice a day. But remember like the Vets on here say: 'once you start down the path of the darkside, it sucks you in deeper and deeper and you will never want to come off'. I can see why now. Esp when people(mainly females) start commenting on the fact you look in shape, that shit is intoxicating. Actually I enjoy coming off and becoming a normal human again. It's just hell waiting for your body to regain homeostasis. I can't do clomid/pct. I lasted a week on that shit. It takes awhile to get back to being you. I'm way more laid back and mellow. Alot more social at work. Just hate going around big crowds socially. Driving around assholes is easier. Juicing? The only thing that gets me is driving. That's where I'm gonna get into trouble. I road rage bad. Outside of my vehicle I'm totally fine. I'm possibly thinking of the Superman/Clark Kent cycling. 6 months on, 6 months off. Staying on for life is tempting though. But 15-20 yrs straight? Maybe moderate dose test and hgh if it becomes more abundant and affordable, then maybe. But full on blast and cruising forever? IDK man.
Oh P.S. this is a trensomnia post. I woke up wide awake at 330am AZ time in a pool of sweat, did my A.M. inject, took my ECA, Gagged down a shake, Now I'm gonna train legs. How sick is that?
Great post.
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so you're saying its very hard to actually recover properly from it ? and even if it just testosterone cycle my levels will never be the same ?
I see what you're saying man, and you're most likely right, and tbh i def wouldn't want to go down that road( no offence at all to those who would/are)
Its hard to say how a particular person would recover but since that sounds like the most important thing for you I would do short cycles of orals. That way you're in and out quick without causing too much shut down.
No offence taken btw ;D ...I totally get it. If you're just looking to reach your natural limit you're better off training hard and having a good diet. Your body will thank you.
But if you're like me that "natural limit" sucks and you'll wanna surpass it. It became really depressing going to the gym knowing I wasn't gonna add any more muscle...it became solely bodyfat manipulation at that point. Lost all motivation to train.
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what oral would you guys reccomend ?
my mate is on dbol for last 5 or so weeks and got huge tbh, huge shoulders and traps and aeverything, it cant all be bloat an it ?
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what oral would you guys reccomend ?
my mate is on dbol for last 5 or so weeks and got huge tbh, huge shoulders and traps and aeverything, it cant all be bloat an it ?
Most of it can be bloat if his diet isn't good and if he's predisposed to retaining a lot of water. See if he has any definition or if it looks like his skin is about to explode.
And as to which oral to run ...there are lots of good ones. Lyquid mentioned a few..I would add tbol to those.
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Most of it can be bloat if his diet isn't good and if he's predisposed to retaining a lot of water. See if he has any definition or if it looks like his skin is about to explode.
And as to which oral to run ...there are lots of good ones. Lyquid mentioned a few..I would add tbol to those.
yes I was thinking of doing tbol too, since it doesn't convert to estrogen and gives more of a dry gains which is what im looking for, Its like hdrol yes ? so its got low androgenic activity which would mean it has less chance of giving side effects ?
what would a good tbol cycle look like in your opinion ? 6 weeks of 60 mg a day ? 8 weeks of 40 mg per week ? some people say it doesnt require pct, would you reccomend it ?
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yes I was thinking of doing tbol too, since it doesn't convert to estrogen and gives more of a dry gains which is what im looking for, Its like hdrol yes ? so its got low androgenic activity which would mean it has less chance of giving side effects ?
Yeah tbol will give you dry gains compared to dbol. Tbol on paper is very mild on the side effects but you really have to try it for yourself to really know with any of these things. I experienced more aggression(not bad) and a little increase in shedding. Doesn't mean you will..you may get acne or something like that but I only got sides my body is predisposed to. Side effects will be very minimal.
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Yeah tbol will give you dry gains compared to dbol. Tbol on paper is very mild on the side effects but you really have to try it for yourself to really know with any of these things. I experienced more aggression(not bad) and a little increase in shedding. Doesn't mean you will..you may get acne or something like that but I only got sides my body is predisposed to. Side effects will be very minimal.
from your experience what would a tbol only and a dbol only cycle look like ?
appreciate the help btw guys!
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from your experience what would a tbol only and a dbol only cycle look like ?
appreciate the help btw guys!
I've ran both tbol and dbol while being on deca so on their own I couldn't say from experience.
But what do you mean by look like anyway?
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But what do you mean by look like anyway?
dosage, duration to be run, pct ect
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dosage, duration to be run, pct ect
most people run them for 4-6 weeks.
dbol 30-50
tbol 50mgs
you could always bump those numbers up a little higher gradually...
PCT....nolva would probably be enough
40 mgs for the first week
20 mgs for 2 weeks after that
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tren + d-bol would have been my first cycle if i could have a redo in life. npp + d-bol is also pretty good. i'm not a huge fan of test but i guess if you don't care about losing your hair then test is a good solo steroid to run.
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tren + d-bol would have been my first cycle if i could have a redo in life. npp + d-bol is also pretty good. i'm not a huge fan of test but i guess if you don't care about losing your hair then test is a good solo steroid to run.
is test really that bad for the hair line ?i would have thought it's a "safe" steroid but you guys are saying other wise.. hmm
also my goal is to just gain size and keep it, stay at my natural limit, i'd think that tren in a cycle would take way to long for your body to recover ?
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is test really that bad for the hair line ?i would have thought it's a "safe" steroid but you guys are saying other wise.. hmm
also my goal is to just gain size and keep it, stay at my natural limit, i'd think that tren in a cycle would take way to long for your body to recover ?
That's why they made steroids after test. To make one as little androgenix side effect free but more anabolic to than test. I always say look at arnolds bbing days. Hairloss super rare and gyno. Look not just at todays bbers but atleast in my gums where everyone runs test is fully bald or balding and half have gyno and there alll bloated and red. Pure test fiends. Test only with gh low dose test fine. Gh fifteen will say.
Keep Ur hair and skin healthy with the ones that increase collgan. That's why old bbers look thatvway. And not fifty yrs older like Dennis wolf and branch warren. If there not bald today they r starting to bald lol. Aka Dennis wolf. Kai Greene all balding pretty bad now to
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true bro, i'll go with dbol only then ?
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i thought d bol caused hairloss too?
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i thought d bol caused hairloss too?
Never heard of someone complaining of dbol only and hairlosa. Test and dbol ya hairloss all time epeople complain. Same with deca I get no limp deca with deca without test. Test deca togetwr soft boners . Most gurus on drugs like William ly whatever his name is even says dbol shouldn't cause hairloaa and its so widely abused since it came out with very little reports on hairloss. Everyone runs test and uses dbol as kick start and automacricaly say its the dbol for side effects.
Big reason the old players called test the big scary monster. And test side effects are the sole purpoae dbol and others begain being created. To stop all the prostate swelling and cathetor use apparently the Russians were having to use from using a lot of test on there atheltes. Back in fiftys. And they creates the wonder drug dbol and others.
Why run test when its pretty much the lowest anabolic and highest androgenic. Yea on the charts others re higher andeogenic only because that's showing per mg or hundres mg. And those drugs that are showing higher are in doses we would not use. Like methyl teen we would not use mwthyl tren at hundred mg . So test is prettty much highest androgenic and lowest anbolic. All side effects with less gains. Again big reason why for past fourty yrs its been deca dbol cycles and others.
Test high dose with high gh only. Gh fifteen will also state some bbers don't even cycle test in and out at all cause all it is is sides for them and test is not needed.
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i thought d bol caused hairloss too?
All steroids cause hairloss to a degree.
Test never made me shed as much as Tren or Deca did. I've ran 1500mg Test EW by itself and had almost no issues with hairloss. I have never in my life heard a real top level NPC guy say anything bad about Test.
Everyone likes to claim this and that, but at the end of the day it's your genetics that play the larger role IMO.
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N. Most gurus on drugs like William ly whatever his name is even says dbol shouldn't cause hairloaa and its so widely abused since it came out with very little reports on hairloss.
he too suggests running dbol solo for a first cycle, so I think its solid to say that a respected author + alot of you dudes on getbig would know what you're talking about ;D
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All steroids cause hairloss to a degree.
Test never made me shed as much as Tren or Deca did. I've ran 1500mg Test EW by itself and had almost no issues with hairloss. I have never in my life heard a real top level NPC guy say anything bad about Test.
Everyone likes to claim this and that, but at the end of the day it's your genetics that play the larger role IMO.
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All while most these guts are bald. Gh fifteen said him self test is nor needed and some guys all it is is side effects for them. So why take something that's been known for decades to be worst aide effect. Drug . Only internet experts who are twenty two yrs old say its safe and who have barely any experiance and everyone keeps following this path.
Look at all the big guys on here. It's no test or test is lowest dosage. That guy who three guys in his avatar forget his name all his dosagea are over a gram while the test is under. Buselomo uses no test to little test. Why use the worst one for side effects and least anabolic one.
And Ur deca had to have been something else. Dis u get it lab tested to know I'd it was real deca. Test is cheaper many sources just use other cheaper shit for deca. Many have been outed many times. Deca only cycles help regrow my hair more than once.
Deca converts to such a weak androgen ten times weaker than dht. Dhn while shutting down Ur test and therefore dht production u are in a very optimal state of hair regrowth. Hench almost no one was bald abusing these drugs in seventiys. Yet ninety percent of all bbera today are bald.
Maybe gh fifteen isn't a pro. But the amount of pros on YouTube or else where who says what he says is the truth and spot on.... well than i won't belwive him but ill belwive what he says thru those guys. Not to mention the other big boys here who use what he says.
Again gh fifteen says for he guy here asking about his cycles. Says dbol alone can give him the best results for size alone . And test only gives some people side effects. so with that said what do u think is better choice. Also gh said he was his biggest ever on eq and dbol. No lie I read his post twenty times now... All of them can quote him word for word.
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Seriously.
Is this what this board has become?
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All steroids cause hairloss to a degree.
Test never made me shed as much as Tren or Deca did. I've ran 1500mg Test EW by itself and had almost no issues with hairloss. I have never in my life heard a real top level NPC guy say anything bad about Test.
Everyone likes to claim this and that, but at the end of the day it's your genetics that play the larger role IMO.
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i get much less hair loss running tren than test. seems to be dictated heavily on 5-alpha reductase enzyme concentrations in the scalp i think
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i get much less hair loss running tren than test. seems to be dictated heavily on 5-alpha reductase enzyme concentrations in the scalp i think
I need to look a bit more into this.
Seems a lot of guys are shying away from Test these days.
Maybe you guys will get me off my Test horse. ;D
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Seriously.
Is this what this board has become?
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And... I'm just stating facts. Feel free to put some input . Everything I said is legit. How many labs come tested back as everything being cheap compounds like test and all orals being merhyl test. Countless.
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how much test do you run? it is really the only steroid i've used to date that makes me feel physically ill to some degree (granted only at excessive dosages, which i haven't run similarly with all other steroids especially the orals).
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And... I'm just stating facts. Feel free to put some input . Everything I said is legit. How many labs come tested back as everything being cheap compounds like test and all orals being merhyl test. Countless.
I'm not even starting on this.
I couldn't make any sense out of half of what you posted.
Those are not facts.
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how much test do you run? it is really the only steroid i've used to date that makes me feel physically ill to some degree (granted only at excessive dosages, which i haven't run similarly with all other steroids especially the orals).
My staple for years was 1g of Test with every cycle. Up to 1500mg max Test dosage.
I have been getting a lot of PM's about Test lately and people agree with what you are saying.
I've never felt bad on Test, but again i might handle it better than others.
I have ran a lot of compounds at high doses and Test made me feel the best.
Good info though and i plan on researching into this when i have more time.
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My staple for years was 1g of Test with every cycle. Up to 1500mg max Test dosage.
I have been getting a lot of PM's about Test lately and people agree with what you are saying.
I've never felt bad on Test, but again i might handle it better than others.
I have ran a lot of compounds at high doses and Test made me feel the best.
Good info though and i plan on researching into this when i have more time.
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shit man, if it works for you don't change it!
i'm a big believer in the "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" mantra when it comes to steroids because everyone's body is so different and reacts to steroids so differently. that's why i always hate when people say "You need to run X with Y always" or say which is the "best" steroid. it's all so subjective and realistically, it doesn't matter what people run, what matters is which compounds people can run with the least side effects (to their health or to their physique and what not).
buselmo has posted before on promuscle that he's run orals for long periods of time and his cholesterol levels were still perfect. me on the otherhand, have had awful lipid levels when doing the whole diet, exercise and abstain from drugs routine. it's such a huge variance between different people that no one can really say in stone what cycles are the best or should always be run.
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shit man, if it works for you don't change it!
i'm a big believer in the "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" mantra when it comes to steroids because everyone's body is so different and reacts to steroids so differently. that's why i always hate when people say "You need to run X with Y always" or say which is the "best" steroid. it's all so subjective and realistically, it doesn't matter what people run, what matters is which compounds people can run with the least side effects (to their health or to their physique and what not).
buselmo has posted before on promuscle that he's run orals for long periods of time and his cholesterol levels were still perfect. me on the otherhand, have had awful lipid levels when doing the whole diet, exercise and abstain from drugs routine. it's such a huge variance between different people that no one can really say in stone what cycles are the best or should always be run.
I postponed my first cycle for years cause I was under the notion that you should always run test as a base. It really set me back years cause all the morons on every other single steroid board out there regurgitate that shit like there's no tomorrow. Like you said everyBODY is different and reacts differently to certain steroids. I don't know how you can make a cookie cutter cycle for every person out there....its ridiculous. That's why I suggested for the op to pick steroids with potential side effects that he's willing to put up with if they do arise and ones that will help him reach his goal. No one is gonna send him money for a transplant if his hair starts falling out or a script for ambien if he can't sleep.
This steroid board is the best there is if you ask me. Many of you guys know your shit, got a ton of experience, and provide advice that is not regurgitated....well with gh15 I guess the drug of the month is always done to death. But the advice is always good regardless.
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shit man, if it works for you don't change it!
i'm a big believer in the "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" mantra when it comes to steroids because everyone's body is so different and reacts to steroids so differently. that's why i always hate when people say "You need to run X with Y always" or say which is the "best" steroid. it's all so subjective and realistically, it doesn't matter what people run, what matters is which compounds people can run with the least side effects (to their health or to their physique and what not).
buselmo has posted before on promuscle that he's run orals for long periods of time and his cholesterol levels were still perfect. me on the otherhand, have had awful lipid levels when doing the whole diet, exercise and abstain from drugs routine. it's such a huge variance between different people that no one can really say in stone what cycles are the best or should always be run.
I plan on doing a cycle without Test this summer and i'm going to put a lot of these new theories to test. I think guys like buselmo speak a lot of truth and i try to learn from everyone. I am always open for new ideas, it is just that Test has always been good to me and the other guys i know personally, but that doesn't mean it's perfect for everyone.
Orals never messed up my lipids much, but Halo sure as hell did. I ran 60mg Dbol for about 8 months once and my lipids were almost in range.
We all respond a bit differently and that's why i try to test everything on myself before i make any statements.
A few months from now i might be on here talking bad about Test, you never know. ;)
I'm going to try a "gh15 approved" cycle with Primo Ace, Tren and some Mast. Looking forward to the results for sure. I have done cycles without Test in the past with good results.
This game is always changing so that's why i try to learn from others just as much as i learn from science and self experimenting.
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Damn so some of you actually ran dbol/tbol only and had great results? I might consider this as it's a pain in the ass to get all the materials for pinning and actually find time to do it considering I live with my bros.
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Damn so some of you actually ran dbol/tbol only and had great results? I might consider this as it's a pain in the ass to get all the materials for pinning and actually find time to do it considering I live with my bros.
bro i makes sense. think about it.. the reason these drugs were made was to have lower androgenic activity compared to anabolic.. its' medicine for sick kids ect.. people have been taking and abusing the stuff for decades.. even the lewlyn dude suggests a dbiol cycle only for the first time user.. and so do alot of the experienced dudes on getbig..
My freind is on it and he is lookng friggen ridiculous atm, a bit bloated yes, but not much coz he started at low bf%, his arms have goen up 2 inches in 4 or so weeks no shit....cant be all water
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Everyone likes to claim this and that, but at the end of the day it's your genetics that play the larger role IMO.
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Most drugs have the majority of same effects on all users . It's like saying anti biotics won't have a bacteria killing effect on you.
What really goes on is chefs get screwed over from raws and they send them cheaper powders like test and methyl test for orals. Or the chefs do it themaelfs to save more money gh fifteen says all time how this cult is. And many many people even he anabolic books writer gets labs tested all the time and so ducking many come up all there product is ducking cheap test. deca primo all test no primo etc in it. And all orals are the cheaper orals aka merhyl test. not m one t but cheap crappy merhyl test.
We all think for yrs Ur being qulity fucking primo or deca but just on test and people think its deca making em bloated so bad but its there tons of test .
I been on here for long myself ssb boards and older. I was on these forums at fifteen yrs old . It's been a long time I seen many many labs get outed.
So u can easily see why so many people say dbol gave me hairloss ya u mean methyl test. Or deca gave me hairlosa must be my genetics no prob the test in it did. It's just imposible for some to cause those effects.
Next people will be saying anti biotocs gave them bacteria infections cause of there genetics. Certain things just can't happen.
Even pharmacy grade always isn't safe. U know a lot of our pharmacys get most product from China all there generic or more. There was a huge thing on news before about the insulin in pharmacys that they always got from China was heavily underdosed as it was not working on many diabetics. U can never be to sure and to think what Ur getting from these chefs is always gonna be what it is. Ya ok cause I got a buddy who knows this top chef who says he gets it from other paces not China. Ummm havnt we learned yet this whole cult lies.
I am not saying gh fifteens guys like pp and stranger is bad I never tries em I like anything from gh fifteen but almost everyone before these chefs used other labs for yrs so rly do u know what u have used probably not. All lies and scams so is anyone sure they used legit deca or dbol everytine. Def not.
Something to really think about. And. Consider first.
Frig pick up any anabolics books on the back always tons of labs outed on using cheap hormones aka test.
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^^ I definitely agree with you, good post
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bro i makes sense. think about it.. the reason these drugs were made was to have lower androgenic activity compared to anabolic.. its' medicine for sick kids ect.. people have been taking and abusing the stuff for decades.. even the lewlyn dude suggests a dbiol cycle only for the first time user.. and so do alot of the experienced dudes on getbig..
My freind is on it and he is lookng friggen ridiculous atm, a bit bloated yes, but not much coz he started at low bf%, his arms have goen up 2 inches in 4 or so weeks no shit....cant be all water
So what kind of dosage/length/etc. a first timer user would do on tbol/dbol? I tried finding info on the net but it always test+*insert other AAS here*
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So what kind of dosage/length/etc. a first timer user would do on tbol/dbol? I tried finding info on the net but it always test+*insert other AAS here*
I would guess 40 mg a day for 6 or so weeks ? not sure though, you can do more research ;D
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bro i makes sense. think about it.. the reason these drugs were made was to have lower androgenic activity compared to anabolic.. its' medicine for sick kids ect.. people have been taking and abusing the stuff for decades.. even the lewlyn dude suggests a dbiol cycle only for the first time user.. and so do alot of the experienced dudes on getbig..
My freind is on it and he is lookng friggen ridiculous atm, a bit bloated yes, but not much coz he started at low bf%, his arms have goen up 2 inches in 4 or so weeks no shit....cant be all water
Dbol gives that fullness, that looks unreal (for me forearms, upper back, & traps)- it's amazing. However, wait a few weeks after his done - you'll know. 80-90% is water.
Too much bro science. Keep it simple. 1st cycle do 500mg Test C or E for 12-16 weeks, i had great results - NO REGRETS. If you are predisposed to MPB - it will happen regardless.
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I would guess 40 mg a day for 6 or so weeks ? not sure though, you can do more research ;D
Run it like u would a inject cycle even. Since it clears fast u can try like blog suggest eight weeks on two weeks off. Is prob do that. Pretty sure gh fifteen said dbol for first time user looking for decent results and libido boosting effects loved it was 70 or 80 mg day. That'd from him.
Maybe do 40 to 60 even less when gains stop than up it. 20 mg first week 30 40 50 up to . If Ur in it for long run then don't hold back
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Dbol gives that fullness, that looks unreal (for me forearms, upper back, & traps)- it's amazing. However, wait a few weeks after his done - you'll know. 80-90% is water.
Too much bro science. Keep it simple. 1st cycle do 500mg Test C or E, i had great results - NO REGRETS. If you are predisposed to MPB - it will happen regardless.
No bro science here. Stating facts from the dbol creator himself this is why they made those drugs and forgot about test. Only used test for hrt and every athetle known to man uses all the others winny to dbol to deca for baseball to sprinting. Where's all the test at. No where. Only on the internet from internet drug gurus . Yet when a real one comes along gh fifteen he spills the truth to this bullahit five hundred mg test bullshit to go pro crap and its alll genetics. Fuck the lies from the internet and the test only balonie.
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Most drugs have the majority of same effects on all users . It's like saying anti biotics won't have a bacteria killing effect on you.
What really goes on is chefs get screwed over from raws and they send them cheaper powders like test and methyl test for orals. Or the chefs do it themaelfs to save more money gh fifteen says all time how this cult is. And many many people even he anabolic books writer gets labs tested all the time and so ducking many come up all there product is ducking cheap test. deca primo all test no primo etc in it. And all orals are the cheaper orals aka merhyl test. not m one t but cheap crappy merhyl test.
We all think for yrs Ur being qulity fucking primo or deca but just on test and people think its deca making em bloated so bad but its there tons of test .
I been on here for long myself ssb boards and older. I was on these forums at fifteen yrs old . It's been a long time I seen many many labs get outed.
So u can easily see why so many people say dbol gave me hairloss ya u mean methyl test. Or deca gave me hairlosa must be my genetics no prob the test in it did. It's just imposible for some to cause those effects.
Next people will be saying anti biotocs gave them bacteria infections cause of there genetics. Certain things just can't happen.
Even pharmacy grade always isn't safe. U know a lot of our pharmacys get most product from China all there generic or more. There was a huge thing on news before about the insulin in pharmacys that they always got from China was heavily underdosed as it was not working on many diabetics. U can never be to sure and to think what Ur getting from these chefs is always gonna be what it is. Ya ok cause I got a buddy who knows this top chef who says he gets it from other paces not China. Ummm havnt we learned yet this whole cult lies.
I am not saying gh fifteens guys like pp and stranger is bad I never tries em I like anything from gh fifteen but almost everyone before these chefs used other labs for yrs so rly do u know what u have used probably not. All lies and scams so is anyone sure they used legit deca or dbol everytine. Def not.
Something to really think about. And. Consider first.
Frig pick up any anabolics books on the back always tons of labs outed on using cheap hormones aka test.
Whats astounding is the pricing some Americans & foreigners get. The prices almost seem absurd. It's how cheap some of you get your gear for. SOMETIMES TO GOOD TO BE TRUE - IT PROBABLY IS. THERE HAS TO BE SHORTCUTS ALONG THE WAY -- SOMEWHERE. Here north of the 49th parallel - gear is priced 50-100+% higher by high(er) quality labs (human grade and UG)- never had a bad batch, under dosed, or fake. The no frills brands going around always have something going on - always. At the end of the day, you get what you pay for.
Be willing to pay premium to get the best quality.
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No bro science here. Stating facts from the dbol creator himself this is why they made those drugs and forgot about test. Only used test for hrt and every athetle known to man uses all the others winny to dbol to deca for baseball to sprinting. Where's all the test at. No where. Only on the internet from internet drug gurus . Yet when a real one comes along gh fifteen he spills the truth to this bullahit five hundred mg test bullshit to go pro crap and its alll genetics. Fuck the lies from the internet and the test only balonie.
Would the average gym rat be willing to stick himself with orals (dbol, winny, or drol?) for 12-16 weeks akin to injectables?
Sure go with everything or anything oral - but at least have a base of Test (or even Deca).
Why do this high school shit of being too much of a pussy to inject and going the orals only route because GH15 or Llewellyn said it? Health first - bro science second.
P.S. GH15 - while his advice is great on different combos GH/AAS - his moods on different AAS has changed often as the weather over the years.
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For my first cycle I'm going to do something like 250/600 test/equi with some dianabol for the first few weeks, only about 30mg a day most likely just until the equi kicks in
I've tried to follow most people's guidelines on here about low dose test, get the gains from other compounds so what is people's opinion of this?
I don't plan on coming off when I go on either, if that even matters
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Would the average gym rat be willing to stick himself with orals (dbol, winny, or drol?) for 12-16 weeks akin to injectables?
Sure go with everything or anything oral - but at least have a base of Test (or even Deca).
Why do this high school shit of being too much of a pussy to inject and going the orals only route because GH15 or Llewellyn said it? Health first - bro science second.
P.S. GH15 - while his advice is great on different combos GH/AAS - his moods on different AAS has changed often as the weather over the years.
im not scared of injecting bro, im going to be injecting something else(not aas) soon.
Im just trying to get input here to get help for my goal.. but what he is saying makes sense, dbol does have half of test's androgenic property.
I really don't understand what the diffrence between oral's and injects are apart from the way it gets into your blood, i mean they are all anabolic steroids..if anaject wasn't so expensive, i would use it too.. what makes orals worse than injects keepable gains wise ?
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I don't plan on coming off when I go on either, if that even matters
im not an expert( far from one) but I'd say you only need trt dose of test to keep your dick working bro, the other compounds are far superior to test IMO
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im not scared of injecting bro, im going to be injecting something else(not aas) soon.
Im just trying to get input here to get help for my goal.. but what he is saying makes sense, dbol does have half of test's androgenic property.
I really don't understand what the diffrence between oral's and injects are apart from the way it gets into your blood, i mean they are all anabolic steroids..if anaject wasn't so expensive, i would use it too.. what makes orals worse than injects keepable gains wise ?
Nothing really, they are just a bit harsh on the liver.
Please correct me if I'm wrong but I don't see why 700mg of dianabol a week would be that much different from 700mg of test a week gains wise. Dbol is more anabolic and less androgenic but I have no idea what this means gains wise, just that you would get less sides. Study with 100mg of dianabol a day for 6 weeks gave an average of about 9lb of actual muscle
im not an expert( far from one) but I'd say you only need trt dose of test to keep your dick working bro, the other compounds are far superior to test IMO
Thanks, although the only testosterone I've seen so far is 350mg/ml. I don't want to buy online, I have mates that are powerlifters that use so I will go through them. Is it worth while pinning 0.5ml or will I lose too much in the needle?
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im not scared of injecting bro, im going to be injecting something else(not aas) soon.
Im just trying to get input here to get help for my goal.. but what he is saying makes sense, dbol does have half of test's androgenic property.
I really don't understand what the diffrence between oral's and injects are apart from the way it gets into your blood, i mean they are all anabolic steroids..if anaject wasn't so expensive, i would use it too.. what makes orals worse than injects keepable gains wise ?
Bro don't go with the by the book numbers on the anabolic/androgenic ratios. I hear what you are saying. Once the different compounds hit the body at supra-physiological dosages, they work differently. Furthermore, once you combine the synergy of two compounds - it changes to another degree.
For 1st cycle
I did Test 500mg weekly for 10 weeks. Then last 7 weeks added 20mg anavar. At first i wanted to see the supra-physiological response to just one compound. I was getting myself tested every 3-4 weeks. The Var threw my lipids off. Everything returned to normal within 6-7 weeks post last pin Test E
2nd cycle - ongoing
started with Eq 500-600mg weekly + dbol. Then threw in Test 500mg, then 800mg. Later on added Tren E. Added in a way ONLY IF to see -- what each compound would do.
The difference between the orals & injectables is how and when your body metabolizes it. The former being harshest on the liver being a 17aa. Over the short term MG for MG nothing can beat orals says 4-6 weeks - even 6-8 weeks. You go any longer you will seriously mess your lipids, liver values. Anecdotally, everything is done on these boards - nothing is off limits. But to go the safer route - is the way to go IMHO, if you want to stay in the game 10 years from now.
You're on the right path - due more due diligence before touching anything.
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Damn so some of you actually ran dbol/tbol only and had great results? I might consider this as it's a pain in the ass to get all the materials for pinning and actually find time to do it considering I live with my bros.
Just wanna point out that I ran both only because I didn't have a proper anti estrogen so I could not run the dbol as high as I wanted to. I would pick one or the other otherwise.
If you're gonna be in this for the long haul I would recommend an injectable also. Its not difficult to obtain syringes and keep them stashed away.
You might come to love pinning yourself as long as its not everyday. I'm only running anavar right now but I wish an had an injectable also....I miss pinning myself and its only been over a week since my last injection.
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propioneta
trenbolona acatato
hgh
primobolana acatato
i wotn say doss you can red in bible what i thikn on them
these are the best compounds for first time users to explode into LEAN MEAN MUSCLE MACHINE that get attention and look like a fucking bodybuilder!
gh15 approved
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propioneta
trenbolona acatato
hgh
primobolana acatato
i wotn say doss you can red in bible what i thikn on them
these are the best compounds for first time users to explode into LEAN MEAN MUSCLE MACHINE that get attention and look like a fucking bodybuilder!
gh15 approved
100% this. I was a lean 180 lbs when I did my first cycle of test and dbol. Got fat and bloofy as fuck. I wish I had gone with these products instead (maybe not the GH, my natural GH levels are still pretty high), I would look much better now.
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IF I COULD DO IT AGAIN ID GO 600 EQ OR 450 PRIMO & 300 TREN.
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Most drugs have the majority of same effects on all users . It's like saying anti biotics won't have a bacteria killing effect on you.
My post was about hairloss and how genetics determine if you are prone to MPB. Some guys get zero hairloss from insane doses and others get major hairloss from just a little Dbol.
I agree with most of what you are saying but not all of it is fact.
Always take into account the context of someones post.
Good posts for sure and a lot fo truth in there.
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Im just trying to get input here to get help for my goal.. but what he is saying makes sense, dbol does have half of test's androgenic property.
I really don't understand what the diffrence between oral's and injects are apart from the way it gets into your blood, i mean they are all anabolic steroids..if anaject wasn't so expensive, i would use it too.. what makes orals worse than injects keepable gains wise ?
Using the logic that dbol was created from test but with less side effects, then wouldn't Tbol be a superior choice to Dbol since Tbol is like the "newer/better/etc." Dbol?
And I'm trying to understand too why some of you suggest to add Test with Dbol or Tbol? I mean, the way I view it is Yeah you might not make the same gain as you would with test+oral but by doing oral only you are less prone to side effects right? Or I'm completely off the track on this one?
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date=1329891763]Im just trying to get input here to get help for my goal.. but what he is saying makes sense, dbol does have half of test's androgenic property.
I really don't understand what the diffrence between oral's and injects are apart from the way it gets into your blood, i mean they are all anabolic steroids..if anaject wasn't so expensive, i would use it too.. what makes orals worse than injects keepable gains wise ?
Using the logic that dbol was created from test but with less side effects, then wouldn't Tbol be a superior choice to Dbol since Tbol is like the "newer/better/etc." Dbol?
And I'm trying to understand too why some of you suggest to add Test with Dbol or Tbol? I mean, the way I view it is Yeah you might not make the same gain as you would with test+oral but by doing oral only you are less prone to side effects right? Or I'm completely off the track on this one?
No it does not work like that either. They make a new drug let's say tbol but they don't know how it will react till they actually do studies with it. Than they'll find out If its even better or maybe shitty. And the anabolic to andeogenic ratio dont account for all gains .because sometimes a steroid will interact thru unknown pathways other than the andeogen recetpr that they cannot figure out. So primo maybe crap on paper but great for muscle building.
However. The side effects androgenic side effects most are very easily tracked in studies as most are based off psa androgenic in the prostate. And those side effects we do not want.and teatostorone is one of the worst and they realised how harsh testosterone was right away causing secret prostate swelling and other androgenic effects that almost every steroid made after was better anabolic protien aystheaia and nitrogen retention with much less androgenic sidebeffects on your body.
This is right from the creators mouth of dbol and other steroids.
And this is why the all knowing gh 15 says testosterone is just side effects for some people and is not needed.
Good god i hate touch keyboard screens. And auto correct.
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No it does not work like that either. They make a new drug let's say tbol but they don't know how it will react till they actually do studies with it. Than they'll find out If its even better or maybe shitty. And the anabolic to andeogenic ratio dont account for all gains .because sometimes a steroid will interact thru unknown pathways other than the andeogen recetpr that they cannot figure out. So primo maybe crap on paper but great for muscle building.
However. The side effects androgenic side effects most are very easily tracked in studies as most are based off psa androgenic in the prostate. And those side effects we do not want.and teatostorone is one of the worst and they realised how harsh testosterone was right away causing secret prostate swelling and other androgenic effects that almost every steroid made after was better anabolic protien aystheaia and nitrogen retention with much less androgenic sidebeffects on your body.
This is right from the creators mouth of dbol and other steroids.
And this is why the all knowing gh 15 says testosterone is just side effects for some people and is not needed.
Good god i hate touch keyboard screens. And auto correct.
Ahh I see! Well I think in this case I'm gonna do a dbol cycle once I get down to 8-9% bodyfat. I already have some and I would just need to get me some PCT and maybe an AI just in case.
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true bro, i'll go with dbol only then ?
from what people have been telling dbol is pretty dam hard on the hair as well which is kind of confusing to me. i thought it didnt bind to the AR receptor as well as test. on top of that it has an extremely low binding affinity for the 5AR so a very small amount of dihydromethandrostenolon e is produced and doesnt really affect the over all androgenicity much.
can anyone clarify?
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Im on HRT test as im older-also on Anavar cycle too-if I started a Dbol cycle after would I need and anti estrogen even on a low dose?-being older and bald I need not worry about hair etc lol
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from what people have been telling dbol is pretty dam hard on the hair as well which is kind of confusing to me. i thought it didnt bind to the AR receptor as well as test. on top of that it has an extremely low binding affinity for the 5AR so a very small amount of dihydromethandrostenolon e is produced and doesnt really affect the over all androgenicity much.
can anyone clarify?
If you start shedding hair on "dianabol" you most likely are taking methylated test and not dianabol