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Getbig Main Boards => Politics and Political Issues Board => Topic started by: 240 is Back on April 08, 2012, 02:38:59 PM
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WOW... what the hell is he thinking? True or not, he cannot admit this. He can't argue he'll be better on terror than obama. He can't argue he's more experienced. And now his best attack for 2012 is "the economy is coming back under obama... but... I can do it even faster?"
http://articles.latimes.com/2012/mar/19/news/la-pn-mitt-romney-i-believe-the-economys-coming-back-20120319
Reporting from Springfield, Ill. —
With signs the country is emerging from its economic slump, Mitt Romney has begun to blame President Obama for making it far worse than it would have been under a Romney presidency.
“I believe the economy’s coming back, by the way,” he said on Monday. “We’ll see what happens. It’s had ups and downs. I think it’s finally coming back. economy always comes back after recession, of course. There’s never been one that we didn’t recover from.”
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Is the soon-to-be GOP nominee (who claims to be the economic candidate) wrong here? If so, he's ignorant beyond belief.
Or, is he correct? in which case admitting this is the stupidest possible thing to do.
I dont see any way he doesn't look stupid on this statement and really undermine his own judgement. If things are getting better under obama - and yes, mittens admits it - then why in the world do we want to change things? ;)
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Record 87,897,000 Americans Not in the Labor Force
www.breitbart.com ^ | Apr 07, 2012 | Wynton Hall
Posted on April 7, 2012 5:18:01 PM EDT by forbushalltheway
Amid disappointing unemployment numbers that fell 80,000 jobs short of projections, another number is raising eyebrows: the number of Americans not in the labor force has hit a record high 87,897,000.
This figure explains why overall unemployment dropped from 8.3% to 8.2%, as the Department of Labor's unemployment figure does not include people who have given up hope and are not actively seeking employment.
When the number of individuals who have stopped looking for a job and/or who are working part-time but desire full-time employment is included--a figure known as the "underemployment rate"--real unemployment stands at 19.1%.
(Excerpt) Read more at breitbart.com ...
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I like that article. However, it does show the economy does suck.
WHich means the "economy guy" Romney really blew an easy call here. He was fooled by Obama, it seems. Or he doesnt know much about the economy.
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Mitt Romney believes 87 million people out of work = "I believe the economy is really coming back".
He's kinda clueless here.
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Yeah,so this is the brilliant guy who'll beat OB?
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Yeah,so this is the brilliant guy who'll beat OB?
Romney believes the economy is coming back. He's offering an alternative which is OPPOSITE of the obama policy.
Oz, why do you think people would prefer a solution which is the opposite of what is working?
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Don't know, all I know is Mitt seems like a total idiot at times with some of the things he says. But hell, Lou Dobbs said it a few months ago. I see OB gaining more and more strength this year. It's funny because last year, if you asked any of the conservative gang on GB about OB's chances in november they all pretty much said it was a certainty that oB was a 1 term show.
It's has got to be a nightmare for them now.
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:). The msm is in 24 7 kneepad mode. It works on most of the idiots in our society.
Obama appeals to the parasites of society who are growing in number. These worthless cum and leeches like blacken andre benny are always going to vote for the communist filth promising more free stuff wo having to work for it.
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parts of the economy are coming back, if he had said that the economy was complete shit then you would have started a thread pointing out why he was wrong for that...
the point isnt whether or not the economy is coming back, its whether or not it would be better with obama at the helm for another 4 years...
what do you think 240?
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i think the economy is complete shit. 80+ million people unemployed, that is just mind boggling...
Plus he called it a recession. everyone knows it was a depression.
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i think the economy is complete shit. 80+ million people unemployed, that is just mind boggling...
Plus he called it a recession. everyone knows it was a depression.
actually its not a depression, look up the definition of depression. Arent you an MBA?
way to sidestep my question...do you think the economy would be better off with obama at the helm for another 4 years or romney?
he didnt say the economy wasnt shit, he said it was coming back..."AS IT ALWAYS DOES AFTER A RECESSION" something you left out of your title ::)
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actually its not a depression, look up the definition of depression. Arent you an MBA?
way to sidestep my question...do you think the economy would be better off with obama at the helm for another 4 years or romney?
he didnt say the economy wasnt shit, he said it was coming back..."AS IT ALWAYS DOES AFTER A RECESSION" something you left out of your title ::)
He could have said we're sinking deeper - i mean, we just lost credit rating and 80+ mil people didn't go to work today.
but he didn't.
now, your Q of "would it be better...' is a diff thread. This one is about Mitt admitting things are improving on obama's watch. can't believe he said that. he's wrong.
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actually its not a depression.
It looks pretty depressing to me lol...
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He could have said we're sinking deeper - i mean, we just lost credit rating and 80+ mil people didn't go to work today.
but he didn't.
now, your Q of "would it be better...' is a diff thread. This one is about Mitt admitting things are improving on obama's watch. can't believe he said that. he's wrong.
again you jack ass things have improved in some areas, do you deny that?
if he had said what you think he should have you would have simply started another thread bashing him for that...fuck off you uneducated moron
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It looks pretty depressing to me lol...
agreed
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Home sales and values are moving up in my area.
Not sure what Obama has to do with it, but it certainly makes me more content less disgruntled with the guberment. :-[
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mitt didn't say SOME PART OF the economy were improving. You did.
He said "I believe the economy’s coming back". Maybe he shoudl have clarified. But he did not. If YOU decide he meant SOME of it - can you estimate what %? Of course not. Romney, the self-proclaimed economic expert, says the economy is coming back. period. He didn't say "A few parts" or "some".
Pretty stupid statement to make - very general.
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mitt didn't say SOME PART OF the economy were improving. You did.
He said "I believe the economy’s coming back". Maybe he shoudl have clarified. But he did not. If YOU decide he meant SOME of it - can you estimate what %? Of course not. Romney, the self-proclaimed economic expert, says the economy is coming back. period. He didn't say "A few parts" or "some".
Pretty stupid statement to make - very general.
Amazing. You deserve every insult ever hurled at you. Obama says things daily far worse and all you care about is Zimmerman fluke palin etc.
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LOL @ idiots trying to defend Mitt's compliments of Obama.
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There is not one single item for the average person better than 4 years ago. Is the market up? Sure, but its on thin ice and showing signs of possible bear market again.
Inflation is terrible, jobs are terrible, debt/deficit are horrible, etc etc
You are right on all points.
However, the 'economic expert' mitt romney seems to disagree.
“Mitt said:
I believe the economy’s coming back, by the way,” he said on Monday. “We’ll see what happens. It’s had ups and downs. I think it’s finally coming back. economy always comes back after recession, of course. There’s never been one that we didn’t recover from.”
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Romney sure hsn't changed his position - depsite the terrible March jobs report.
I just don't get it. He claims to be an expert on the economy - but he said "it's finally coming back".
He doesn't say some of it, parts of it... he says it's coming back. Under Obama. Which really undermines his own position that obama can't fix things. it tells us he says "yes, it's getting better under obama, but I wanna do something completely opposite that I think will work faster".
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Romney sure hsn't changed his position - depsite the terrible March jobs report.
I just don't get it. He claims to be an expert on the economy - but he said "it's finally coming back".
He doesn't say some of it, parts of it... he says it's coming back. Under Obama. Which really undermines his own position that obama can't fix things. it tells us he says "yes, it's getting better under obama, but I wanna do something completely opposite that I think will work faster".
Politics. If the general public perception is that the economy is coming back, then him saying the opposite would allow Obama to claim he's a liar.
Remember, its not facts, its perception with the people.
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Politics. If the general public perception is that the economy is coming back, then him saying the opposite would allow Obama to claim he's a liar.
Remember, its not facts, its perception with the people.
if the economy is based a great deal on CONFIDENCE.... then isn't the perception reality?
If a girl thinks she's horny, she's horny.
If people believe it's back, they will invest, spend, and do all the things which lead to a recovery. If obama has ONLY done one thing - and that thing is reverse that lack of confidence that bush left - then it's a win, right? Prez' job is to cheerlead. If even the top Repub is saying obama was successful in cheerleading the confidence needed for a perceived recovery... gulp.
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if the economy is based a great deal on CONFIDENCE.... then isn't the perception reality?
If a girl thinks she's horny, she's horny.
If people believe it's back, they will invest, spend, and do all the things which lead to a recovery. If obama has ONLY done one thing - and that thing is reverse that lack of confidence that bush left - then it's a win, right? Prez' job is to cheerlead. If even the top Repub is saying obama was successful in cheerleading the confidence needed for a perceived recovery... gulp.
LOL.
In some cases maybe, but not in the cases when the people literally have no money to spend. Obama hasnt reversed shit - perception in this case is the general public - not the business' that run the economy. The average person hears on the news everyday how things are getting better - they think they are. But the business' arent hiring still - because they know its no better out there.
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http://www.businessinsider.com/march-existing-home-sales-2012-4
Stuff it 240 - your nonsense is no longer funny - its boring and dishonest.
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LOL.
In some cases maybe, but not in the cases when the people literally have no money to spend. Obama hasnt reversed shit - perception in this case is the general public - not the business' that run the economy. The average person hears on the news everyday how things are getting better - they think they are. But the business' arent hiring still - because they know its no better out there.
Businesses "run" the economy by investing the $ they're holding. We all know they're holding those stim bill billions.
if the Top voice for republicans in the country - romney - claiming to be the economic guru - claims the economy is recovery - isn't that a green light for businesses to start investing?
I mean, "people" think it's better, Romney thinks its better... a LOT of repubs have said it's getting better. People who own businesses start to believe that shit.
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Businesses "run" the economy by investing the $ they're holding. We all know they're holding those stim bill billions.
if the Top voice for republicans in the country - romney - claiming to be the economic guru - claims the economy is recovery - isn't that a green light for businesses to start investing?
I mean, "people" think it's better, Romney thinks its better... a LOT of repubs have said it's getting better. People who own businesses start to believe that shit.
You really are a dishonest troll. WTF happened to you bro? Seriously - go walk to a mirror look in it and ask yourself why you allowed yourself to be so corrupted and brainwashed. I feel ashamed for you.
Not one true statement in what you said.
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You really are a dishonest troll. WTF happened to you bro? Seriously - go walk to a mirror look in it and ask yourself why you allowed yourself to be so corrupted and brainwashed. I feel ashamed for you.
Not one true statement in what you said.
so please go point by point and destroy my argument. Calling me a troll when I'm really not trolling isn't nice. I'm making the point that one of the prez' main jobs is to deliver CONFIDENCE in the strength of the economy. He's a cheerleader for a recovery. So much of the economic performance of US and world is just confidence/perception of how things are going.
So when even the GOP opponent of Obama admits the economy is improving, well, it doesn't hurt obama lol.
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Businesses "run" the economy by investing the $ they're holding. We all know they're holding those stim bill billions.
if the Top voice for republicans in the country - romney - claiming to be the economic guru - claims the economy is recovery - isn't that a green light for businesses to start investing?
I mean, "people" think it's better, Romney thinks its better... a LOT of repubs have said it's getting better. People who own businesses start to believe that shit.
Businessmen dont make choices based on public opinion.
General public does.
Thats where your logic is faulty.
Businessmen make calculated decisions based on numbers - not on the general publics "feelings" or what some bullshit Politician says.
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Please give me data showing most people think things are getting better, give me ANY data that things actually ARE getting better, give me any data that obama has inspired confidence on the economy, give me any data that businesses are sitting on STIM bill money, give me any data on any of your claims.
Myth should not have said that since it is objectively false and I can prove it.
Things are getting worse.
Jobless claims - worse
Housing - worse
MFG data -worse
Inflation - worse
GDP growth - pathetic and out paced by inflation
Income growth - horrible
Labor force participation - worse
Number of jobless overall - worse
Food stamp and welfare - worse.
BTW - i dont give a damn about being nice, your have earned being called a troll since all you are doing is parroting msnbc bullshit and you should know better. .
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Looks like youre wrong about Romney agreeing with Obama 240. Any more lies broseph?
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/04/19/Scorching-talk--Romney--Obama-battle-over-economy
Romney Savages Obama over Economy
Their battle joined, challenger Mitt Romney savaged President Barack Obama's handling of the economy on Wednesday while the commander in chief commiserated up close with victims of the recession and warned that Republicans would only make matters worse.
"Obama is over his head and swimming in the wrong direction" when it comes to the economy, Romney said in a scorching speech delivered across the street from the football stadium where the president will deliver his Democratic National Convention acceptance speech this summer.
"Even if you like Barack Obama, we can't afford Barack Obama," the former Massachusetts governor declared, an evident reference to the president's ability to transcend at least some of the public's dissatisfaction with the pace of the recovery. Romney quoted liberally _ and mockingly _ from Obama's 2008 campaign pledges to repair the economy.
At the same time, Obama sketched his case for re-election in swing-state Ohio, where he met with unemployed workers who have enrolled in job training programs. Then he spoke at the Lorain County Community College.
"Right now, companies can't find enough qualified workers for the jobs they need to fill" locally, he said. "So programs like this one are training hundreds of thousands of workers with the skills that companies are looking for. And it's working." By contrast, he said, between the years 2000 and 2008, Republican policies produced "the slowest job growth in half a century ... and we've spent the last three and a half years cleaning up after that mess."
Campaign symbolism counted for much on a day that seems destined to be replicated often in the six months until Election Day.
The Republican challenger delivered his scathing denunciation of the president's policies with the Bank of America Stadium over his shoulder. Aides dubbed his remarks a pre-buttal to the president's own, and early-arriving partisans heard a recorded medley of rock music that included "It's Still the Same."
Each man taunted the other at times.
"I wasn't born with a silver spoon in my mouth," Obama said in an evident reference to Romney, whose father was president of American Motors, an automaker.
Romney jabbed that unlike four years ago, when Obama walked through stage-set columns at his convention, things would be different this summer.
"You're not going to see President Obama standing alongside Greek columns. He's not going to want to remind anyone of Greece," Romney said, "because he's put us on a road to become more like Greece," where crushing debt has led to an austerity plan and public protests.
It was only within the past two weeks that Romney shed his competition for the Republican presidential nomination, and he is still in the process of trying to unite his party after a three-month primary struggle in which he had trouble appealing to hardcore conservatives.
But already, elements of the fall campaign are falling into place.
Obama's campaign was airing Spanish language radio ads in Orlando, Fla., Las Vegas and Denver _ all in states that the president won four years ago and that figure to be fiercely contested in the fall.
From Ohio, Obama hopscotched to Michigan for two fundraisers, the first a reception at Dearborn's Henry Ford Museum, where Romney in 2007 launched his unsuccessful bid for the 2008 GOP presidential nomination.
Speaking in a museum named for the founder of Ford Motor Co., Obama got some of his biggest cheers when he highlighted his administration's efforts to rescue the American auto industry. Later, at a private dinner fundraiser in Bingham Farms, he said that the industry's recovery didn't just help Michigan, it "helped to give America a vision of what we could be."
For his part, Romney arranged an appearance for Thursday at a factory in Lorain, Ohio, shadowing Obama's Wednesday trip to the area. Obama toured the factory as part of his 2008 campaign _ and it was closed later.
Polls consistently show the economy is the top issue for the nation's voters, who will decide whether to accept Romney's indictment or Obama's reassurances. Given recent trends, each man has a case to make.
In Ohio, joblessness was 9.1 percent in February 2009, shortly after Obama took office. It stood at 7.6 last month.
In North Carolina, joblessness was 9.5 percent then, and stands at 9.9 now.
In Michigan, where Obama was appearing late Wednesday, it was 12.5 percent in 2009 and is 8.8 percent now.
In all three states, unemployment rose in the months immediately after Obama took office as the recession deepened and financial markets trembled.
"Right now we have two competing visions of our future. And the choice could not be clearer," said Obama. He said he was sure Republicans were "patriots. I'm sure they're sincere in -- in terms of what they say. But their theory, I believe, is wrong."
Without mentioning Romney by name, he said, "Instead of moderating their views even slightly, you now have Republicans in Washington, the ones running for president, proposing budgets that shower the wealthiest Americans with even more tax cuts, folks like me who don't need them, weren't looking for them."
But Romney was relentless as he ripped into the president.
"Virtually nothing he has done has made it more likely for people to get jobs," he said.
Reading from Obama's campaign pledges from the 2008 Democratic convention in Denver, he said the president has "failed by the measurements he set. You won't hear that at this convention, but you're going to hear it at ours."
He added: "We're a trusting people. We're a hopeful people. But we are not dumb, and we are not going to fall for the same lines from the same person just because it's a different place."
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http://www.businessinsider.com/march-existing-home-sales-2012-4
your nonsense is no longer funny - its boring and dishonest.
fucking wow
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Fuck off, Obama sheeple. SPRING RECOVERY 2012!
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Post the link.
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The only thing you're showing me is that TODAY Mitt is shitting on the economy. last month he was saying something different. practically opposite actually.
So Mitt's a flip flopper who believed things were getting better last month, when he said that... and now it's different?
I guess if you wait 10 minutes, you'll hear mitt's position on every issue change eventually.
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The only thing you're showing me is that TODAY Mitt is shitting on the economy. last month he was saying something different. practically opposite actually.
So Mitt's a flip flopper who believed things were getting better last month, when he said that... and now it's different?
I guess if you wait 10 minutes, you'll hear mitt's position on every issue change eventually.
Like the messianc afro-communist on pot, mandates, patriot act, lobbysits, signing statements, gitmo, etc? Agreed. Both stink and are flip floppers.
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The point, 240, is that you posted THIS -
Romney sure hasn't changed his position - depsite the terrible March jobs report.
I just don't get it. He claims to be an expert on the economy - but he said "it's finally coming back".
You posted this TODAY.
You posted this when he has been denouncing the economy. Thats you either being ignorant or simply lying.
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The point, 240, is that you posted THIS -
You posted this TODAY.
You posted this when he has been denouncing the economy. Thats you either being ignorant or simply lying.
He's a pathetic liar but it doesn't take away from that fact that he's also ignorant about most of the topics discussed on here.
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He's a pathetic liar but it doesn't take away from that fact that he's also ignorant about most of the topics discussed on here.
Its really stunning how someone can keep getting less informed as time goes on like 240 apparently is.
Has he always been like this?
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http://www.businessinsider.com/march-existing-home-sales-2012-4
Stuff it 240 - your nonsense is no longer funny - its boring and dishonest.
fucking amazing here
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fucking amazing here
True - Obama spent more in three years than bush did in 8 and has nothing to show for it but a worsening economy of debt, despair, decline, and depression
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This is retarded. Romney wasn't saying Obama has done anything to improve the economy.
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This is retarded. Romney wasn't saying Obama has done anything to improve the economy.
Obama "owns" the economy when he's president.
If the dollar collapses tomorrow, it's damn sure his fault.
If the year is 2012, he is president, and it's improving (as Mittens claims), then yes, he gets credit.
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Obama "owns" the economy when he's president.
If the dollar collapses tomorrow, it's damn sure his fault.
If the year is 2012, he is president, and it's improving (as Mittens claims), then yes, he gets credit.
LOL - 7 months to go - please tell me of what miracle you think is going to happen and make a difference that has not happened in the last 3 1/2 years?
Remember our little bet early on about the Stim Bill? Remember how that worked out for you and I?
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Obama "owns" the economy when he's president.
If the dollar collapses tomorrow, it's damn sure his fault.
If the year is 2012, he is president, and it's improving (as Mittens claims), then yes, he gets credit.
Really? Did you even read the article I posted? Hes sounds claiming its improving anymore. I notice you selectively ignore contradictory facts when you get called out and just move on pretending they dont exist.
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1) I think the economy is doing terrible and isn't recovering.
Romney said otherwise.
Now, maybe TODAY he is saying something different. Posting an april article where he shits on the economy is DEFINITELY not a defense for his pro-obama bullshit line of "the economy is getting better" he delivered a few weeks back.
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1) I think the economy is doing terrible and isn't recovering.
Romney said otherwise.
Now, maybe TODAY he is saying something different. Posting an april article where he shits on the economy is DEFINITELY not a defense for his pro-obama bullshit line of "the economy is getting better" he delivered a few weeks back.
The point, 240, is that you said this - Romney sure hasn't changed his position
today! you posted that gem today! You either were ignorant or just lied. BTW that article wasnt "today". And no one is trying to defend him. Its pointing out that YOU LIED AGAIN.
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the article was posted today.
i lost all respect for romney when he said the economy was recovering. But then he flipflopped. Maybe he just wanted to appeal to angry voters, or maybe he was swayed. Or maybe he was just confused. I dont know, to be honest.
I know he said the economy was recovering. I know he said it wasn't. Which is it, mitt? depends on the audience?
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the article was posted today.
i lost all respect for romney when he said the economy was recovering. But then he flipflopped. Maybe he just wanted to appeal to angry voters, or maybe he was swayed. Or maybe he was just confused. I dont know, to be honest.
I know he said the economy was recovering. I know he said it wasn't. Which is it, mitt? depends on the audience?
See for us ABO voters it's easy. I already have no respect for him but it does not matter. ABO!!!
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See for us ABO voters it's easy. I already have no respect for him but it does not matter. ABO!!!
dat's cool.