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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Steroids Info & Hardcore => Topic started by: undead on April 25, 2012, 04:40:55 PM
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before you ask i did this as an experiment to see how i respond to the drug. i planned on taking it before my next blast to prime my ody but i wanted to know what to expect. please dont turn this into a flame war about how im going to die. id like to keep this objective and helpful.
i got some DNP caps(powder not crystal) that are supposed to be 200mg each but i have a suspiscion they might be underdosed. im also not too impressed with the fat loss. anyway here goes.
i am on my 7th day of DNP. i have 7 more to go. the first 3 days i too 1 cap at night. the next 3 days i took 1 cap in the morning and one at night. today i started taking 3 caps. one approximately every 8 hours. i will not exceed this dose.
other drugs/supps
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125mg test e/week(cruising)
fish oil
multi vitamin
vitamin C(3000mg)+E(1000IU)/day(antioxidnts are necessary)
200mg caffeine
8mg albuterol(2x daily)
dosages
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at 200mg i noticed i was sweating a bit at room temperature and sweating way more than usual while working out. i was also getting tired quicker and had to use slightly lower weight. i was also pissing a hell of a lot more and drinking more water. urine color was normal.
at 400mg, i was sweating a lot more at room temperature and even more in the gym. i had to lower the weights a bit more on heavy compounds to complete the workout but strength isnt drastically reduced except for legs. i did some light front squats instead of going too heavy(probably couldnt anyway) and had to use around 60lbs less on RDLs. i was getting tired a lot faster as well and took longer to recover from sets. i did about 30mins of low intensity cardio(for me anyway) yesterday and was drenched and dripping with sweat by the end but wasnt exhausted. however i am in very good cardiovascular shape so that probably helped. urine color was still normal. i did feel pretty lethargic for the 4th and 5th day but then i started using a bit of caffeine and albuterol and i feel better.
today i bumped it up to 600mg. now obviously it takes a couple days for the DNP to build up so im not getting the full effect of it yet but ive been sitting in a fairly cool environment for most of the day and even then ive been sweating a lot more. not as bad as when working out but still pretty wet. if im leaning my back against a wall or even sitting on the sofa my shirt will quickly get wet. im not really feeling lethargic probably because of the caffeine and albuterol but for some reason ive been feeling really hungry which is odd. im not working out today so i cant comment on poundages or intensity level but i will update it tommorow. i might do some cardio later on. im still drinking a lot of water and pissing a lot and the color is still normal.
other effects
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ive been shitting a hell of a lot. every 2-3 hours. the stools are very soft and watery and come out in explosive spurts(sorry for the explicit description but its necessary to be forewarned if you use this).
i have been sleeping exceptionally well while using DNP. very deep, dreamless sleep and wake up feeling pretty good(although covered in sweat). normally im a light sleeper and have trouble falling asleep but not with this.
i wake up a couple times at night to take a piss and my mouth and throat will be very dry. i just drink a couple glasses of water and im good.
diet
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45-50% carbs(mostly sugary crap)
35-40% protein
10-15% fat
fat loss
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started off at about 199 and ~12% body fat. upper abs visible when flexed, noticable vascularity on arms, legs, and a bit on abs(weird i know).
current weight: 197. after a few days i gained a couple lbs due to the water retention so the total weight loss is probably around 4-5lbs. ive noticed some more cuts especially in my back and i think im carrying less fat around my lower back but other than that im not seeing the magical 1lb/day fatloss or the hellish inferno that youre supposed to become. im thinking this DNP may be underdosed. ill have to see how i look once i come off and the water gets flushed out.
to be fair, i dont respond tremendously well to drugs. i never really get much side effects even from stuff like tren or slin. i grow ok but other than hair loss, ive never had a problem with drugs. so it could be that its just an issue with my personal biochemistry.
questions
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DNP suppresses thyroid hormones and 600mg will almost completely suppress T3. i have some t3 lying around. should i start taking 25mcg/day and do you think it will cause muscle loss?
feel free to comment or ask questions but please try to keep it civil.
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DNP suppresses metabolism (i.e. body attempts to reduce metabolic energy expenditure in anyway to counteract effects of DNP), and lowers TSH. concilitator claims it doesn't lower t3 levels, but i don't know how much i believe that because i've ran dnp solo, without anything else leading up to DNP usage and i had a blood test where my TSH levels were near 0. eventually my thyroid levels would drop as well, but, at around 2-3 weeks on DNP my thyroid levels were still high, and normal, so i doubt you have to supplement t3, you'll just make your strength and lethargy worse if anything
sounds like you have real DNP and that it's dosed accurately.
the mental lethargy is the biggest side i notice. the heat is only bad on the first day but you get used to it very quickly. i also sleep much better on it as well, i can drink 2 gallons of green tea in the evening and go into deep sleep for 10 hours right after, it's real nice in that respect, especially when paired with GH.
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Since you only have 7 days left I doubt T3 would be of any use unless you want to run it longer than the DNP.
I'm not a fan of DNP, but you are free to talk about it as you wish.
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actually just checked my labwork from the time i'd ran DNP and my tsh was near 0, but my t4 levels were actually much higher and out of range. i don't have a baseline to compare it to but, i really don't think t3 usage is necessary with DNP, and if more weightloss is desired then a harsher calorie deficit would be more effective in my opinion.
i've found the sweet spot about 500-750mg, with a lot of cardio and under 1500 calories. 750mg is pushing it, as i'll start to lose strength to exercise and feel hypoglycemic all the time, so i much prefer 500mg as the most "effective" dosage for weightloss when all other things are taken into consideration. maximum effective dosage for hitting metabolic ceiling with DNP is roughly around 1.5grams a day, but, at that dosage the person won't be able to do much of anything as even breathing while sleeping becomes labored and difficult.
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have you taken measurements of your waist? if so, how much has it shrunk?
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actually just checked my labwork from the time i'd run DNP and my tsh was near 0, but my t4 levels were actually much higher and out of range. i don't have a baseline to compare it to but, i really don't think t3 usage is necessary with DNP, and if more weightloss is desired than a harsher calorie deficit would be more effective in my opinion.
i've found the sweet spot about 500-750mg, with a lot of cardio and under 1500 calories. 750mg is pushing it, as i'll start to lose strength to exercise and feel hypoglycemic all the time, so i much prefer 500mg as the most "effective" dosage for weightloss when all other things are taken into consideration. maximum effective dosage for hitting metabolic ceiling with DNP is roughly around 1.5grams a day, but, at that dosage the person won't be able to do much of anything as even breathing while sleeping becomes labored and difficult.
interesting. if that is the case then ill stay away from the T3. i naturally have an extremely high metabolism so i keep calories pretty high on a cut relative to most people. if i drop the calories, should i expect to lose muscle mass or just more fat? also, where should the calories be cut from? carbs, protein, fat, or evenly from the three? i know DNP is very protein sparing but how extreme of a caloric deficit can you go?
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have you taken measurements of your waist? if so, how much has it shrunk?
i forgot to mention that but no i havent been able to take any body measurements other than skinfold and resting heart rate for lack of proper equipment. i will do so on friday when i get home.
as far as skinfold measurements go, ive lost maybe 1mm from chest and 1mm from lower abs. keep in mind this is from handheld calipers so its not really an accurate measurement.
resting heart rate currently is 85-90 BPM. higher than usual.
i will post body measurements and blood pressure on friday.
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you can go flat pretty easily on DNP but losing muscle tissue is a bit harder. people misconflate the two often though because it looks the same.
if you can drop the cals and keep lifting and doing cardio you'll lose more fat. drop the calories by 2-300 at first. i usually tried to go as low on calories as i could, without feeling hypoglycemic - yes i went very flat but fat loss was faster.
i like tren more for these types of severe cuts, makes it easier in my opinion as it has better synergy with low calorie diets, and also gives more strength than test, which is needed.
macronutrients don't matter, much, but i usually ate carbs because i felt bad otherwise. going keto works better for the spring/summer since you won't get as warm. i don't think one way is more efficient than the other, whichever you feel better on is the best way
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you can go flat pretty easily on DNP but losing muscle tissue is a bit harder. people misconflate the two often though because it looks the same.
if you can drop the cals and keep lifting and doing cardio you'll lose more fat. drop the calories by 2-300 at first. i usually tried to go as low on calories as i could, without feeling hypoglycemic - yes i went very flat but fat loss was faster.
i like tren more for these types of severe cuts, makes it easier in my opinion.
yea im definately flatter and arms and delts look smaller as well. again i cant be sure until i take measurements but thats what im seeing in the mirror. ill drop the calories and increase cardio.
i would love to use tren or at least primo but im going to stick with test for now for the sake of my hair.
also, from what i understand, keto is not as efficient because the carbs help burn more fat. it also puts you more at risk for experiencing hypoglycemia.
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before you ask i did this as an experiment to see how i respond to the drug. i planned on taking it before my next blast to prime my ody but i wanted to know what to expect. please dont turn this into a flame war about how im going to die. id like to keep this objective and helpful.
i got some DNP caps(powder not crystal) that are supposed to be 200mg each but i have a suspiscion they might be underdosed. im also not too impressed with the fat loss. anyway here goes.
i am on my 7th day of DNP. i have 7 more to go. the first 3 days i too 1 cap at night. the next 3 days i took 1 cap in the morning and one at night. today i started taking 3 caps. one approximately every 8 hours. i will not exceed this dose.
other drugs/supps
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125mg test e/week(cruising)
fish oil
multi vitamin
vitamin C(3000mg)+E(1000IU)/day(antioxidnts are necessary)
200mg caffeine
8mg albuterol(2x daily)
dosages
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at 200mg i noticed i was sweating a bit at room temperature and sweating way more than usual while working out. i was also getting tired quicker and had to use slightly lower weight. i was also pissing a hell of a lot more and drinking more water. urine color was normal.
at 400mg, i was sweating a lot more at room temperature and even more in the gym. i had to lower the weights a bit more on heavy compounds to complete the workout but strength isnt drastically reduced except for legs. i did some light front squats instead of going too heavy(probably couldnt anyway) and had to use around 60lbs less on RDLs. i was getting tired a lot faster as well and took longer to recover from sets. i did about 30mins of low intensity cardio(for me anyway) yesterday and was drenched and dripping with sweat by the end but wasnt exhausted. however i am in very good cardiovascular shape so that probably helped. urine color was still normal. i did feel pretty lethargic for the 4th and 5th day but then i started using a bit of caffeine and albuterol and i feel better.
today i bumped it up to 600mg. now obviously it takes a couple days for the DNP to build up so im not getting the full effect of it yet but ive been sitting in a fairly cool environment for most of the day and even then ive been sweating a lot more. not as bad as when working out but still pretty wet. if im leaning my back against a wall or even sitting on the sofa my shirt will quickly get wet. im not really feeling lethargic probably because of the caffeine and albuterol but for some reason ive been feeling really hungry which is odd. im not working out today so i cant comment on poundages or intensity level but i will update it tommorow. i might do some cardio later on. im still drinking a lot of water and pissing a lot and the color is still normal.
other effects
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ive been shitting a hell of a lot. every 2-3 hours. the stools are very soft and watery and come out in explosive spurts(sorry for the explicit description but its necessary to be forewarned if you use this).
i have been sleeping exceptionally well while using DNP. very deep, dreamless sleep and wake up feeling pretty good(although covered in sweat). normally im a light sleeper and have trouble falling asleep but not with this.
i wake up a couple times at night to take a piss and my mouth and throat will be very dry. i just drink a couple glasses of water and im good.
diet
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45-50% carbs(mostly sugary crap)
35-40% protein
10-15% fat
fat loss
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started off at about 199 and ~12% body fat. upper abs visible when flexed, noticable vascularity on arms, legs, and a bit on abs(weird i know).
current weight: 197. after a few days i gained a couple lbs due to the water retention so the total weight loss is probably around 4-5lbs. ive noticed some more cuts especially in my back and i think im carrying less fat around my lower back but other than that im not seeing the magical 1lb/day fatloss or the hellish inferno that youre supposed to become. im thinking this DNP may be underdosed. ill have to see how i look once i come off and the water gets flushed out.
to be fair, i dont respond tremendously well to drugs. i never really get much side effects even from stuff like tren or slin. i grow ok but other than hair loss, ive never had a problem with drugs. so it could be that its just an issue with my personal biochemistry.
questions
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DNP suppresses thyroid hormones and 600mg will almost completely suppress T3. i have some t3 lying around. should i start taking 25mcg/day and do you think it will cause muscle loss?
feel free to comment or ask questions but please try to keep it civil.
Amazing.
You write a novel detailing your drug protocol yet casually mention in one small pargraph without detail that YOU ARE EATING CRAP.
Is that smart man? Taking a poison to lose bodyfat but not eating clean with lower carbs. Again is that smart?
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Amazing.
You write a novel detailing your drug protocol yet casually mention in one small pargraph without detail that YOU ARE EATING CRAP.
Is that smart man? Taking a poison to lose bodyfat but not eating clean with lower carbs. Again is that smart?
yes it is smart because that is what you are supposed to do when using DNP lol. the carb intake is supposed to be kept high and the type of carbs should be high GI because the nature of DNP cause the glycogen stores in the liver and muscles to be quickly depleted. this can cause hypoglycemia if stores are not kept somewhat replenished and the best way to do this is with simple sugars like sucrose, fructose, and dextrose.
i should have worded that more efficiently but i was getting lazy.
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yea im definately flatter and arms and delts look smaller as well. again i cant be sure until i take measurements but thats what im seeing in the mirror. ill drop the calories and increase cardio.
i would love to use tren or at least primo but im going to stick with test for now for the sake of my hair.
also, from what i understand, keto is not as efficient because the carbs help burn more fat. it also puts you more at risk for experiencing hypoglycemia.
naw, eating carbs just makes you hotter because glucose can be converted into ATP much easier and faster, while with fats it's a longer and slower process, plus fats don't pass into cells as readily as glucose does with insulin. that's the main reason carbs make you hotter, because your body has a larger upfront energy pool that it can rapidly expend to attempt to deal with the atp deficiency, while with fats their level of "absorption" through cell walls and to be used as energy is capped, effectively by l-carnitine
as far as fatloss goes, they are both equivalent, however, sugar crap, like sucrose and fructose can be counterproductive because there is a limited rate at which your liver can convert them to glucose and utilize those sugars for brain or muscle activity. so eating an abundance of carbs from "shitty carb sources" can actually make you go flat, and weaker, much more rapidly. it's happens to me when eating some real bad diets on DNP (which happens, very very frequently when i'm on DNP).
that being said, i like carbs best as well. oatmeals leaves me full for hours and it's a really good and healthy carb source. plus, it's easy to make since i get those sugar-free oatmeal packets. oats + protein and fishoil caps, is my favorite "healthy" cutting diet, granted, i never stick to it.
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So you are Using more carbs to counter DNP? Why not use less DNP and eat better (cleaner carbs) and get same or better results?
This logic is like a fatman eating more chocolate so the T3 can have more fat to melt...?
Because people who use DNP are lazy fucks who don't want to put down the fork or do extra cardio thats why.
Their lack of willpower is sickening
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So you are Using more carbs to counter DNP? Why not use less DNP and eat better (cleaner carbs) and get same or better results?
This logic is like a fatman eating more chocolate so the T3 can have more fat to melt...?
no ofcourse not. carb intake was the same throughout the dosages. when did i say i was eating more carbs?
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naw, eating carbs just makes you hotter because glucose can be converted into ATP much easier and faster, while with fats it's a longer and slower process, plus fats don't pass into cells as readily as glucose does with insulin. that's the main reason carbs make you hotter, because your body has a larger upfront energy pool that it can rapidly expend to attempt to deal with the atp deficiency, while with fats their level of "absorption" through cell walls and to be used as energy is capped, effectively by l-carnitine
as far as fatloss goes, they are both equivalent, however, sugar crap, like sucrose and fructose can be counterproductive because there is a limited rate at which your liver can convert them to glucose and utilize those sugars for brain or muscle activity. so eating an abundance of carbs from "shitty carb sources" can actually make you go flat, and weaker, much more rapidly. it's happens to me when eating some real bad diets on DNP (which happens, very very frequently when i'm on DNP).
that being said, i like carbs best as well. oatmeals leaves me full for hours and it's a really good and healthy carb source. plus, it's easy to make since i get those sugar-free oatmeal packets. oats + protein and fishoil caps, is my favorite "healthy" cutting diet, granted, i never stick to it.
this is new to me. everyone i talked to and read about said you need to eat higher GI carbs on DNP.
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Because people who use DNP are lazy fucks who don't want to put down the fork or do extra cardio thats why.
Their lack of willpower is sickening
the amount of willpower it takes to do any exercise at all while on DNP is a testament to the will and dedication people actually have. i really don't agree with this, since most people don't just eat a bunch of DNP for 2 weeks and then stop lifting or exercising entirely, i've really never heard of anyone doing that.
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Because people who use DNP are lazy fucks who don't want to put down the fork or do extra cardio thats why.
Their lack of willpower is sickening
um what? re read my post bro. ive been lifting and doing cardio while on DNP. ive HAD to do less than i normally do because i have finals going on. normally when cutting i would be lifting 3 days a week and training muay thai for 2-3 hours three times a week plus some more cardio here and there. i had to stop muay thai and cut back on the training so i thought this would be a good time to try out the DNP.
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this is new to me. everyone i talked to and read about said you need to eat higher GI carbs on DNP.
heat doesn't necessarily translate into extra fat loss. while heat is generally a good indication of an increase in metabolic activity, and thus extra calorie expenditure, in the case of DNP and high GI carbs it's mostly just to do with the fact as i said before, that they get burned off quickly and it results in a sharper rise in body temperature.
conciliator makes some good posts about DNP, if you want to search for his name throughout forums, i forget which boards he posted on, but he dispels a lot of the rumors and hearsay. i don't really disagree with anything he says from what i remember
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um what? re read my post bro. ive been lifting and doing cardio while on DNP. ive HAD to do less than i normally do because i have finals going on. normally when cutting i would be lifting 3 days a week and training muay thai for 2-3 hours three times a week plus some more cardio here and there. i had to stop muay thai and cut back on the training so i thought this would be a good time to try out the DNP.
hows the brainfog? that was something that i found was pretty irritating, made it a little more difficult to think, kinda like in a permanent pseudo-hypoglycemic state regardless how many carbs i ate (well, except when i ate like 1,000)
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I'm running crystal powder for 8 days now at 500mg and the heat can be sickening sometimes. I worked out this morning and drank some orange juice before going (didn't think about the heat spike) and holy shit I had to cut my workout in half I was feeling so hot and out of breath it was crazy.
I never experienced any lethargic side but my source said it puts some vitamins and other things in it to counter the lethargic sides and I guess it's working good so far.
Also, I'll never understand people saying DNP users are lazy and lack will power. I dare you to hop on 500mg ED and go on with your normal life for 2-3 weeks. I have to change my clothes 2x a day and take shower 2-3x a day because I sweat so much. DNP is just a way to reach your goals faster just like taking AAS (Let's be honest, to truly reach your genetics limit you would have to train many years with perfect diet/etc. and no one can do that).
Anyway, fat loss is definitely apparent but you look flat and the water bloat makes you feel like you actually look worst than you were but it's just a mind fuck.
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hows the brainfog? that was something that i found was pretty irritating, made it a little more difficult to think, kinda like in a permanent pseudo-hypoglycemic state regardless how many carbs i ate (well, except when i ate like 1,000)
cant really say im feeling anything of the sort. like i said ive got finals going on right now and i think im doing ok as far as studying and taking the tests goes.
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I'm running crystal powder for 8 days now at 500mg and the heat can be sickening sometimes. I worked out this morning and drank some orange juice before going (didn't think about the heat spike) and holy shit I had to cut my workout in half I was feeling so hot and out of breath it was crazy.
I never experienced any lethargic side but my source said it puts some vitamins and other things in it to counter the lethargic sides and I guess it's working good so far.
Also, I'll never understand people saying DNP users are lazy and lack will power. I dare you to hop on 500mg ED and go on with your normal life for 2-3 weeks. I have to change my clothes 2x a day and take shower 2-3x a day because I sweat so much. DNP is just a way to reach your goals faster just like taking AAS (Let's be honest, to truly reach your genetics limit you would have to train many years with perfect diet/etc. and no one can do that).
Anyway, fat loss is definitely apparent but you look flat and the water bloat makes you feel like you actually look worst than you were but it's just a mind fuck.
yea i can also attest to changing clothes and showering. i feel sticky all the time. its pretty annoying.
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actually just checked my labwork from the time i'd ran DNP and my tsh was near 0, but my t4 levels were actually much higher and out of range. i don't have a baseline to compare it to but, i really don't think t3 usage is necessary with DNP, and if more weightloss is desired then a harsher calorie deficit would be more effective in my opinion.
i've found the sweet spot about 500-750mg, with a lot of cardio and under 1500 calories. 750mg is pushing it, as i'll start to lose strength to exercise and feel hypoglycemic all the time, so i much prefer 500mg as the most "effective" dosage for weightloss when all other things are taken into consideration. maximum effective dosage for hitting metabolic ceiling with DNP is roughly around 1.5grams a day, but, at that dosage the person won't be able to do much of anything as even breathing while sleeping becomes labored and difficult.
If you are eating under1.5k cals and doing a lot of cardio than why do you even need DNP?
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DNP isn't really ever necessary it just makes dieting faster but i wouldn't say easier because it's pretty hellish.
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DNP isn't really ever necessary it just makes dieting faster but i wouldn't say easier because it's pretty hellish.
Definitely this. It's just to see results faster IMHO.
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for the people who don't know about DNP, look it up. look up "Dan Duchaine" sp? I know I mispelled his last name. DNP is by far the best fat burner in the world. while on DNP the more you eat the more it works. research it, it is awesome.
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DNP isn't really ever necessary it just makes dieting faster but i wouldn't say easier because it's pretty hellish.
So it might be actually counter productive for some
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If you are eating under1.5k cals and doing a lot of cardio than why do you even need DNP?
DNP is much more effective at burning fat over muscle. however if i were going that low id still use a lot of AAS.
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So it might be actually counter productive for some
meh. depends on how you mean counterproductive. you will be burning fat while just sitting around but depending on the dose thats pretty much all you will be able to do.
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alright so im on day 2 of 600mg and im not really liking this. im sweating like crazy just sitting around. and its a cold room too. on top of that im feeling pretty tired. i checked my resting heart rate and its the same as yesterday but for some reason im running out of breath really really fast. like even if i talk for a couple minutes ill have to pause and take a few deep breaths. im also breathing a lot heavier and louder. im gonna be lifting later today but im not expecting much. might just drop back to 400mg if it gets worse.
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.....with a lot of cardio and under 1500 calories.....
LOL
Dude, I'm pretty sure ANYTHING is going to work for fat loss from what you just stated.....
Comon boss, I expected better from you ;)
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LOL
Dude, I'm pretty sure ANYTHING is going to work for fat loss from what you just stated.....
Comon boss, I expected better from you ;)
you can lose fat on DNP (t3 too), eating around 4k calories a day, but when you cut real hard on the calories, add in a serious stack of anabolics and GH, the rate of fat loss is pretty insane and visibly noticeable on a daily basis
anyways, as i said, that's just what my favorite approach was due to a few reasons particular to me. i guess i forgot to mention the clen or ephedrine + lots of caffeine, i feel i really need it on DNP when cutting calories low. energy and willpower will go to nothing, and as Notsureifsrs said it will be counterproductive if the person ends up slacking real heavy on his lifts if lethargy gets severe. better to run a moderate to lower dosage, like 500mg while maintaining stricter adherence to a good diet and cardio regime
different ways to skin a cat, and that's my preference.
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ok guys so a quick question. since i increased my dose last night ive been breathing heavier. i didnt think about it at first but now it feels like there is an obstruction in my throat and im having difficulty and some pain swallowing, coughing, and taking deep breaths. any chance the DNP could be the cause of this?
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where in your throat?
DNP can dehydrate you, and if you are breathing heavily through your mouth while you sleep your throat can get really dry and sore, possibly inflaming your tonsils.
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DNP can dehydrate you, and if you are breathing heavily through your mouth while you sleep your throat can get really dry and sore, possibly inflaming your tonsils.
Any way to fix this? This is exactly what happened to me and it's been going on for about a week now.
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reducing sodium intake throughout the day helps a lot with the continual feeling of dehydration. if someone is already doing that then drinking more fluids helps.
still though, it doesn't seem to be completely avoidable, and if breathing through the nose instead then nose bleeds begin to happen, which i think are worse.
a humidifier could possibly help, i'm not sure as i've never owned one but it might instead make you feel like you're sleeping in a sauna if the DNP nightsweats are already bad.
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still though, it doesn't seem to be completely avoidable, and if breathing through the nose instead then nose bleeds begin to happen, which i think are worse.
This just happened like 2 hours ago :-\. But I'll try reducing my sodium intake, I never really watched it to begin with.
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i dont think its because of that. its gotten worse and now it hurts to swallow anything.even water. i dont think i could get any foos down. its getting harder to breathe. my throat doesnt hurt too bad but everything down to my solar plexus hurts when i swallow.
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i dont think its because of that. its gotten worse and now it hurts to swallow anything.even water. i dont think i could get any foos down. its getting harder to breathe. my throat doesnt hurt too bad but everything down to my solar plexus hurts when i swallow.
Go get it checked. It's definitely not normal.
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could be heart burn? did you take 2 caps at once?
dnp has given me some nasty heart burn at times, it also bloats the hell out of my stomach especially if i take too much at once.
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Go get it checked. It's definitely not normal.
yea im going to the doctor monday. i had an appointment anyway.
it feels much better now. i think it might have potassium deficiency. my heart was beating way too fast and i was not feeling hungry despite not having eaten in a while. i was also getting a bit nauseous. i drank 2 bottles of v8 juice and i feel much better now. when i woke up today though my ribs and the area around my heart was hurting pretty badly when i tried to breath deeply. throat has cleared up mostly but im going to get it checked out.
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I always get that swollen throat sort of feeling while on DNP.
I breath heavy and have to sleep with my mouth open, I think it dries out my throat and uvula.
Kind of feels like I am choking in the night. It returns to normal once I stop the DNP and begin
breathing normal again.
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yea im going to the doctor monday. i had an appointment anyway.
it feels much better now. i think it might have potassium deficiency. my heart was beating way too fast and i was not feeling hungry despite not having eaten in a while. i was also getting a bit nauseous. i drank 2 bottles of v8 juice and i feel much better now. when i woke up today though my ribs and the area around my heart was hurting pretty badly when i tried to breath deeply. throat has cleared up mostly but im going to get it checked out.
stop breathing through your mouth, sip on water all day. the way to run dnp is fast and hard to burn stored fat the hard brown fat. don't expect to workout and make hugh muscle gains or strength gains while on dnp. ya go to the gym to burn more fat while dnp. 4wks fast and hard to lose 20-30lbs of FAT not water. shit is awesome if you know how to run it.
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ok guys so a quick question. since i increased my dose last night ive been breathing heavier. i didnt think about it at first but now it feels like there is an obstruction in my throat and im having difficulty and some pain swallowing, coughing, and taking deep breaths. any chance the DNP could be the cause of this?
;D MAYBE, JUST MAYBE, DNP IS A BAD IDEA FOR YOU? ::)
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;D MAYBE, JUST MAYBE, DNP IS A BAD IDEA FOR YOU? ::)
Ya` think ???
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;D MAYBE, JUST MAYBE, DNP IS A BAD IDEA FOR YOU? ::)
the thought may have crossed my mind. lol
feeling ok now. gonna do some cardio tonight. what i can at least. then legs tommorow.
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Wtf with this shit? Yeah it burns 30lbs of fat in a month. Why do you have 30 lbs of fat to lose? Thought we were bb's, seems like most of you are lazy fucks
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the thought may have crossed my mind. lol
feeling ok now. gonna do some cardio tonight. what i can at least. then legs tommorow.
Good. At least you are not a complete dum-dum.
Dude. STOP the DNP. Now.
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Keep using that poison and you will have to change your name to DEAD.
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Good. At least you are not a complete dum-dum.
Dude. STOP the DNP. Now.
actually i agree with you.
DNP if used properly may be effective. however from what ive been experiencing the past couple days 600mg is way to much and just not worth the effort. even lower doses arent that great. the stuff is great for burning fat but i dont even feel like an athlete let alone a bodybuilder. im lifting way less weight than i should be and im running out of breath just by talking.
granted i lost more fat in a week than i would have in 2 or 3 with proper dieting and cardio but i think i would have felt better doing that.
i im done with this stuff.
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Keep using that poison and you will have to change your name to DEAD.
WALKING DEAD
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Wtf with this shit? Yeah it burns 30lbs of fat in a month. Why do you have 30 lbs of fat to lose? Thought we were bb's, seems like most of you are lazy fucks
Not everyone start their bodybuilding career by being 200lbs 8% BF. Some are skinny as fuck, others are fat, etc.
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Not everyone start their bodybuilding career by being 200lbs 8% BF. Some are skinny as fuck, others are fat, etc.
Very true.
However i personally feel that DNP should be used as a last resort.
Diet, cardio, ECA, T3, Clen, Albuterol - Are much safer alternatives.
I know guys who love DNP, but i also know a lot of guys who had some very serious issues with it.
Use it with caution.
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actually i agree with you.
DNP if used properly may be effective. however from what ive been experiencing the past couple days 600mg is way to much and just not worth the effort. even lower doses arent that great. the stuff is great for burning fat but i dont even feel like an athlete let alone a bodybuilder. im lifting way less weight than i should be and im running out of breath just by talking.
granted i lost more fat in a week than i would have in 2 or 3 with proper dieting and cardio but i think i would have felt better doing that.
i im done with this stuff.
Excellent. You have an open mind.
Smart move.
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Hey aesthetic, any tips to 'combat' dehydratation at night? I drink a shitload of water through the day but I wake up like 3-4x each night because my throat is so dry. I keep a water bottle close but if there's another alternative I would like to know. Thanks!
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Hey aesthetic, any tips to 'combat' dehydratation at night? I drink a shitload of water through the day but I wake up like 3-4x each night because my throat is so dry. I keep a water bottle close but if there's another alternative I would like to know. Thanks!
you can take some glycerol. it should help you stay hydrated. i didnt because its not strictly neccesary but i should have uses it.
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when do people realize that maybe, MAYBE dnp is dangerous ?
Yes people do steroids, and we all here on this section of the forum do steroids, and sure it has risks, but those risks that come steroids only happen when megadosing ( high BP, liver etc), other than that, the rest of the sides are non- threatning ( acne, gyno, hair loss, deca-dick etc)...
But it seem all sides of dnp is just fucking awful, im all for taking fat burners, t3, and even clen, but damn, this dnp shit is very dangerous.
The way i see it is that there are two types of people:
1) People who have been lifting weights for years, and have 20-30lbs of fat to lose and they turn to DNP for that.... well if after lifting for years you still have 20-30lbs of fat that you cant lose, then your doing something wrong, and you have zero knowledge of bodybuilding, and you shouldnt be messing with bodybuilding drugs to begin with... this shouldnt be confused with the normal 20-30 lbs people gain in the offseason, those folks gain that weight and lose that weight on a normal basis, and 90% of them do it without DNP.... im talking about folks that take every drug under the sun and still cant lose that 20-30 lbs
2) people who have just started lifting, and are 30-40 ( or whatever) lbs overweight, and they turn to DNP... well brother, give it 6 months in the gym at least, clean up your diet, start cardio, add some ECA, once that doesnt work for you, add some T3, try some TRT dose test etc....
i havent heard ONE decent review on DNP.. its either:
1) it works, but those 3-4 weeks are hell weeks, you feel like a zombie, every fucking minute is torture, but yay, i lost 30 lbs
2)people have extreme sides ( some guy on here fucked up his nerves, a buddy of mine lost vision in one eye, and even some of the posters in this thread have had terrible side... hey if your entire body hurts when you take a breath, something is wrong !)
/vent
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Marlo, I was thinking like you then I started reading and researching about Concilliator's view on DNP. He's probably the most knowledgeable (sp?) in the world regarding DNP. Yes it can be dangerous, but IMHO I'll take some DNP & ECA over Clen/T3/etc. after researching them all.
In all honesty, it's been almost 2 weeks since I'm on DNP and the "worst" sides I got are intense sweating and troubles sleeping well sometimes. It's not bad, I don't feel shaky or feel like my heart is over-working. It's only uncomfortable but the results are great and DNP is anti-catabolic which is one of the main reason why I chose DNP over other fat burners.
From my personal experience, I think people don't listen to their body enough and try to over do it. Look at Undead, he's a smart guy because he realized his body can't deal with DNP in it without having some bad shit happening, so he stopped it. But I know for a fact that MANY people would be like "Oh I'll just deal with it and continue!!!1" and bam they start getting fucked up side effects like losing vision and other things. You also need to make sure your source is top notch pharma grade quality (or close to) and from what I've read, it's mostly the people taking the non-crystalized DNP that get bad side effects.
Anyway, you NEED to do your research before using anything (especially DNP) and know what to do when certain situations arrive AND listen to your body ffs. This is for everyone btw, not just those taking DNP.
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Marlo, I was thinking like you then I started reading and researching about Concilliator's view on DNP. He's probably the most knowledgeable (sp?) in the world regarding DNP. Yes it can be dangerous, but IMHO I'll take some DNP & ECA over Clen/T3/etc. after researching them all.
In all honesty, it's been almost 2 weeks since I'm on DNP and the "worst" sides I got are intense sweating and troubles sleeping well sometimes. It's not bad, I don't feel shaky or feel like my heart is over-working. It's only uncomfortable but the results are great and DNP is anti-catabolic which is one of the main reason why I chose DNP over other fat burners.
From my personal experience, I think people don't listen to their body enough and try to over do it. Look at Undead, he's a smart guy because he realized his body can't deal with DNP in it without having some bad shit happening, so he stopped it. But I know for a fact that MANY people would be like "Oh I'll just deal with it and continue!!!1" and bam they start getting fucked up side effects like losing vision and other things. You also need to make sure your source is top notch pharma grade quality (or close to) and from what I've read, it's mostly the people taking the non-crystalized DNP that get bad side effects.
Anyway, you NEED to do your research before using anything (especially DNP) and know what to do when certain situations arrive AND listen to your body ffs. This is for everyone btw, not just those taking DNP.
care to post a link to the article you read? and also, how can you say that DNP is safer than T3 ? Sure clen is pretty dangerous too, but even clen has been created for MEDICAL use ( for asthma,but mostly now used for horses during races)
"2,4-Dinitrophenol is a yellow, crystalline solid that has a sweet, musty odor. It sublimes when carefully heated and is volatile with steam. It is soluble in ethyl acetate, acetone, chloroform, pyridine, carbon tetrachloride, toluene, alcohol, benzene, and aqueous alkaline solutions.[1] Its crystalline sodium salts are also soluble in water. It forms explosive salts with alkalies and ammonia, and emits toxic fumes of nitrogen oxides when heated to decomposition.[2] It is incompatible with heavy metals and their compounds.
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Commercial DNP is primarily used for scientific research and in manufacturing. It has been used at times to make dyes, other organic chemicals, and wood preservatives. It has also been used to make photographic developer, explosives, and pesticide
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DNP is considered an important environmental contaminant by the United States Environmental Protection Agency. It has been found in 61 of 1400 priority sites that need clean-up of industrial waste. It can enter the air from automobile exhaust, burning of certain industrial substances, and from reaction of nitrogen in air with other atmospheric chemicals. The major site of degradation is the soil, where microorganisms metabolize it.
However, the effects of DNP on anaerobic micro-organisms are still largely undetermined. Some studies suggest that there is anaerobic toxicity due to a reduced methane production.
I mean how can you say that such a CHEMICAL ( you cant even call it a drug, its a chemical) is safer than T3, which is MADE by your body, or CLEN which is designed for medical use?
and as for clen, the recommended doses for men is 40mcg, and not to be exceeeded by that. But bodybuilders start off with 40-60mcg, and work there way upto 150-250mcg... thats 4-6X the recomennded dose, no wonder why people give clen a bad rep...
personally i will take T3& ECA over clen or DNP , no matter how fat i get ... some things are just not worth it.. i refuse to see DNP as a medicine/drug... its a chemical, which happens to aid in fat burning... its no different than someone finding out for example drinking 8oz of paint thinner will increase you MR by %250... sure it will work great, but paint thinner is not designed for weight loss, even though it work ( in the context of my example)
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care to post a link to the article you read? and also, how can you say that DNP is safer than T3 ? Sure clen is pretty dangerous too, but even clen has been created for MEDICAL use ( for asthma,but mostly now used for horses during races
I get your point of view and you do have some great arguments. I tried looking for the link but I can't remember from which site I read it. I know I searched for "Conciliator DNP" on Google and read everything.
T3 pretty much requires you to be on AAS if you don't want to lose muscles (I guess at really low dose you could be fine but personally when I cut I want to do it as fast as possible) and there's a good chance you may mess up your Thyroid levels. Regarding Clen I can't really say anything about it but I have heart problems in my family so I didn't want to risk it.
The only real side effect you can get from DNP at moderate/high dose is cataract and only 1% to 3% of the population can get it (Can't remember the exact number in the research papers).
In the end it's your own decision and you have to calculate the benefits to risk ratio and if it's worth it to you. I always hear people saying DNP made them feel lethargic, like zombie, etc. yet I feel great on it. But I never did high dose of it because I don't think it,s the way to go. I prefer long, small dose over a short, big one.
Here's a post by Conciliator. It explains a few things.
DNP: The Truth
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1) DNP was not used in the early 20th century to "ignite dynamite." First, DNP wasn't used as an ignitor. It was used as an explosive per se in synergistic mixtures with trinitrophenol and TNT. The French are the most well known for using DNP for this purpose. They commonly used mixtures of 40% DNP and 60% TNP. Second, these explosives had nothing to do with dynamite. They were TNT based.
2) DNP was not used to cast a yellow dye on wood and other handcrafts. DNP has been used in the production of dyes. It's also been used as a wood preservative. It hasn't been used as a wood dye for making handcrafts look cute.
3) It was not based on "demographical statistics" that French munitions workers lost weight and had DNP side effects. This was readily observed right in the factory, where a protection plan was even put into place. I don't think anyone has ever done "demographical statistics" on any DNP users.
4) The research at Stanford was not in the 1920's. It began in the 1930's with Cutting and Tainter.
5) DNP was on the market for only 4 or 5 years, not two decades
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6) Sales didn't stop because it was explicitly banned by the FDA. The FDA started putting pressure on manufacturers who then voluntarily withdrew it.
7) There was not "a report" of cataract formation, there were well over 100, including a few in males.
8) The reports of cataracts were very TRUE. It's a side effect that occurs in an estimated 0.1% to 1% of the population. This was the primary reason the drug was discontinued. The likely mechanism of action behind cataract formation was elucidated in the 1950's by Ogino and Yasukura.
9) DNP is no longer used as a pesticide. For example, no products containing DNP have been registered in California for the last 19 years (since 1991).
Every now and then, I'll hear about someone who's unusually tolerant to DNP. The range of sensitivity for DNP among different people is already extremely wide to begin with, and some people are on the fringe of the high end. That might be due to poor absorption, rapid metabolism, or impaired distribution in the body. I've known a handful of people who have to take up to 800-1000mg/day of actual DNP to get even a moderate effect. More often than not, though, I think people are taking a lot less DNP than they think they are. Underdosing appears to be a common problem among DNP suppliers. Second, if you're taking crystal DNP, you have to account for the sodium salt, which means you're getting less actual DNP (and fewer side effects because you're getting less DNP). And to top it off, you have sources who don't know how to cap consistent doses. For example, D has explained his capping process on ABB. He basically shot himself in the foot by showing that for a given batch of DNP, he essentially ballparks the amount of powder (and thus DNP) going into the caps. He doesn't cap a specific, known amount of powder and DNP. Not surprisingly, a common complaint is that one batch was great and then suddenly the next was not nearly as potent.
Your source is trying to feed you crap with that one. There's nothing about crystal DNP that gives it fewer side effects than powder DNP, except for the fact that with crystal DNP, you're getting less actual DNP. Of course you'll have fewer side effects (and less weight loss) if you're not taking as much. This is also an easy excuse for a source to give for any potentially underdosed or inconsistently dosed crystal product. Don't buy into it.
With a proper dosing protocol, the risk of overdose is essentially non-existent. Keep in mind that people also risk death by taking clenbuterol or ephedrine and caffeine. For some, the risks of DNP are worth the side effects. For others, they're not. It's important to make sure you have an objective view of the risks though. When it comes to DNP, they've been blown way out of proportion.
Fatalities are much less common than most people believe. According to Horner's extensive 1941 review, there were a total of three case reports of overdose when DNP was being used, often over the counter, throughout the 1930's. Not three thousand. Not three hundred. Three. Of an estimated 500,000 users, that's quite rare. In 1937, Simkins conducted one of the most comprehensive clinical studies, in which he kept over 150 patients on DNP for up to a year. In his final report (JAMA, Volume 108, #26), he stated that "One cannot refrain from remarking that, in view of the remarkably extensive use of the nitrophenols, often without medical supervision, fatalities are extremely rare."
Unfortunately, the mortality rate in recent times (among bodybuilders, for example) is probably higher. This is undoubtedly due to the careless and excessive dosages that are frequently seen as users try to push the envelope and maximize fat loss. It's an issue of dosing protocol, though there are also some reports of suicide and accidental exposure.
Fortunately, longer, lower-dose cycles are becoming more and more popular. With a little care and prudence, the risk of overdosing on DNP is negligible. The major risk is cataracts, estimated to occur between 1 in 100 and 1 in 1000 users, though it possibly occurs at a lower incidence in males. For a huge number of people, using a SERM is worth the risk of cataracts. Unparalleled fat loss with DNP is worth that risk for many others.
Yes, it's a metabolic poison in the sense that it interferes with energy production, making it less efficient. That "poisonous" effect is precisely why people take it. You should be aware that despite the negative connotations, the "poisonous" effect of uncoupling produces a host of beneficial effects, including a reduction in mitochondrial free radical formation, improved mitochondrial stability, neuroprotection, protection in several models of cell injury (e.g. ischemia/reperfusion, contusion), slowing of telomeric senescence (e.g. extension of lifespan with DNP has now been shown in three different species), etc. If you think that DNP is an outrageously dangerous "poison" that will only harm you, you're very misinformed.
DNP is a secondary explosive. It's not an ignitor. Regardless, what does it matter? Coffee creamer is explosive. So what? A given substance's varied chemical properties have absolutely nothing to do with it's pharmacological profile and safety. It does make for a great illogical argument though.
As for work ethic, if you want to "put in the hard work and discipline," that's your prerogative. I'd recommend avoiding any substances that aid you in building muscle and/or losing fat, including creatine, steroids, stimulants, protein powders, ephedrine/caffeine, etc. That way you can require yourself to work harder in order to get to where you want to be. On the other hand, if you're someone who likes to include supplementation and/or drug use to make progress at a faster rate, there's clearly a reason these things are used. Further, those who do use them are often the hardest workers. Many who take DNP do so to accelerate their cutting phase, busting their ass with a disciplined program that includes drugs so they can get back to busting their ass while taking steroids to accelerate their bulking phases. It should go without saying, but work ethic is distinct from whether or not someone uses a particular drug.
As for safety, many will conclude that the risks of DNP use (especially cataracts) outweigh the benefits. Everyone has to make that call for himself, based on what he values as an individual. Just be sure you're making a fair assessment of the risks and benefits. Traditionally, the risks of DNP use have been grossly overstated. The benefit of paralleled fat loss is usually well understood, though you mischaracterize it as "a lil fat loss." There are also several potential health benefits from a low level of uncoupling, as I mentioned above. If you'd like references to the scientific literature on anything I've said, just ask.
This information came from Conciliator at RXMuscle
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after 5 days into an ultra-low cal diet (800 cals daily) i felt zombie-like and nearly passed out cold at the gas station lol
i'm back on this diet right now coz some whore said to me recently that my waist is a bit big lol
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mario i understand and agree with you that DNP is very dangerous but like everything else it can be used in moderation. i dont like the way it makes me feel and i dont think a few pounds lost is worth all the trouble. however clen and t3 are dangerous in their own right. t3 can mess up you thyroid and clen has been proven to kill heart cells. i can pull up the study if you want but in doses over 1mg/kg(thats 100mcg for a 220lb person), cardiac tissue necrosis occurred in the test subjects.
now granted it wont kill you immediately like DNP but its still kind of a dangerous drug.
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after 5 days into an ultra-low cal diet (800 cals daily) i felt zombie-like and nearly passed out cold at the gas station lol
i'm back on this diet right now coz some whore said to me recently that my waist is a bit big lol
Why the hell would you starve yourself? :o
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Why the hell would you starve yourself? :o
i followed the cybergenics 2 week rapid fat-loss protocol and it called for ultra low cals coupled with 2 daily bouts of aerobic training
i did this without roids and just used ECA, and i lost 7.5 pounds of fat over 2 weeks, but i lost 1.5 pounds of muscle as well (i went from 12% to 7.5% over that 2 week period)
i'm trying it again now, but this time with superdrol instead of ECA, and i'm not doing the 2 daily aerobic sessions, but i am training a bit of "pump volume training" each day to burn some extra cals
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why take dnp when not competing?
i mean, 10% bf is quite easy to achieve, even without any fatburner agents.
and once at 10percent, to go further, its all willpower.take your time and stay healthy.
when you want to get rid off fat which was gained over extended periods of time, you cannot expect it to go away extremly quickly, if you dont want to risk everything.
stay around 10% all year, its not that hard.esp on drugs.
THIS. Just laziness I imagine.
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why take dnp when not competing?
i mean, 10% bf is quite easy to achieve, even without any fatburner agents.
and once at 10percent, to go further, its all willpower.take your time and stay healthy.
when you want to get rid off fat which was gained over extended periods of time, you cannot expect it to go away extremly quickly, if you dont want to risk everything.
stay around 10% all year, its not that hard.esp on drugs.
The way I and plenty other person see it is why waste 3-5 months of cutting naturally if you can achieve the same results in 1 month with a few uncomfortable "side effects" ? Same thing for roids, only a minority use them to surpass their genetics limit (which would take so many years of training/eating perfectly to achieve) and/or compete in bodybuilding. The rest take them to gain faster, diet faster, etc.
Why take the long road when you can take the other one with close to no danger (considering you know your shit)?
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Oh I totally agree with you then. I probably misinterpreted your first message. No worries ;D
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hold on, let me first state that cutting naturaly is pointless imo.so much i can agree to.
but other than after the very first bulking period at the start of bbuilding which everyone has to go through imo, there is absolutely no reason to go any higher than 10% bf after that.
and that first diet should not be done with dnp, only with eca and steroids, maybe some gh.
i think its important to learn how to diet.
now for the high dosages to gain faster...
i dont think it works like that.atleast it never did for me.
to make my point, try takng a moderate dosage for 18months non stop and see the gains.
now try to do monster dosages for 6 months straight, all drugs you can eat buffet, no holds barred.
the 18months experiment will lead to better results.
development takes time, even on steroids.
its the same thing with dieting, just the other way around.
It depends what you mean by cutting. If for a show then yes, natural won't get you to that cut state without massive muscle loss at the same time. You'll look like a survivor contest by the end of the show.
But if you are just perma bulker and want to lose 30 pounds then natural is the way to go, it is a change in lifestyle, that means being more active than just lifting weights, eating normal and not like a 400 pound sumo wrestler and being patient because it will take a good year to happen.
People that drop 30 pounds in 12 weeks cannot keep that weight for an extended period of time without continuing to take drugs.
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you can take some glycerol. it should help you stay hydrated. i didnt because its not strictly neccesary but i should have uses it.
glycerol does actually work pretty well
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the concerns with dnp in order from greatest to least: heavy metal poisoning, most of the powder used to make caps comes from industrial chemical manufacturers in china, needless to say the quality control standards are absolutely horrible; cataracts, it's something that does occur in males, i've seen people on boards get it; possibly increases cancer risks due to an increased amount of free radical production in the body. just speculation and i have nothing to base it on but it wouldn't surprise me if it was true
that's about it. it's safer than any other fat burner, it just has a bad rep because people think pesticide and explosive and immediately think it's the worst chemical in the world, regardless whether it's true or not.
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DNP motto
"Live fast, die hard, die young."
P.S. scary substance
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DNP when used correctly can be extremely effective with moderate side effects. 600mg a day is my sweet spot i have run up to a gram a day but that was just unbearable, on 600mg a day i was eating pretty badly still hitting my protein but ate what a "normal" person would and was losing almost a kg a day, im a fan of running shorter blitz style cutting programs with dnp for eg.
day 1 :600mg
day 2 :600mg
day 3 :800mg
day 4 :600mg
day 5 :400mg
day 6 :200mg
day 7 :nothing
the sides wont hit you until about day 3 or so maybe a little earlier and just when the sides peak your already dropping dosage. i follow this plan and drop 5 kgs in 7 days
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yea i would never go up to 600mg again. that shit was bad. cant imagine 800mg+
i was literally running out of breath just by talking and was constantly sweating.
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How does one know all the fat they are burning on DNP is fat -- and not muscle?
Is the body re-composition that drastic? Do you notice changes everyday?
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good question,coupled with the fact that you gain water fast especially when eating shit.
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muscles are very flat and yes you do hold water. daily changes in the mirror even with the bloat you can tell your getting leaner each day once the bloat dissipates after about a week or so is when you look your best
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Yes you see daily changes and you do end up looking flat but it's because your body uses all the water in your body and use it for your vital organs (hence the reason why you are bloated). Once you end your cycle it takes between 7 to 10 days (maybe less depending on the person) to lose all the water weight/get your fullness in your muscles back.
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has any dnp user some before/after pics?
i have a hard time believing one could lose 5kgs of bodyfat in 7days.
thatd mean a negative calorie balance of 35000 calories over 7 days.
thatd be 5k calories daily.
most likely much of the weight los is water and even if much fat is lost, there will be some muscle loss.
i can gain and lose 3kgs within days by carbing up or depleting myself from carbs, but that doesnt count as fatloss.
i think alot of it depends upon what his starting bodyfat level was at that point in time
if he lost these 5 kilos in 7 days with a strating bodyfat level of say 15-20% then it seems possible
but if his starting level of bodyat was at sub-10 then it seems much less likely
coz as we all know.. the leaner you are, the harder it is to get even leaner
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has any dnp user some before/after pics?
i have a hard time believing one could lose 5kgs of bodyfat in 7days.
thatd mean a negative calorie balance of 35000 calories over 7 days.
thatd be 5k calories daily.
most likely much of the weight los is water and even if much fat is lost, there will be some muscle loss.
i can gain and lose 3kgs within days by carbing up or depleting myself from carbs, but that doesnt count as fatloss.
i didnt take pics but i can guarentee you in the 10 days i was on i did not lose 5kg of fat. maybe 3-4 pounds of fat and a total weight loss of around 7lbs.
i can see some differences in my arms, back, and legs, but IMO DNP is not all that its hyped up to be.
im right around 10% BF right now btw.