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Title: Rasmussen: 40% Think Zimmerman Acted in Self-Defense
Post by: Dos Equis on May 22, 2012, 11:39:06 AM
Going to get even higher as people actually start paying attention to the facts and stop listening to the race-baiting media.

Rasmussen: 40% Think Zimmerman Acted in Self-Defense
Tuesday, 22 May 2012

Forty percent of Americans now think George Zimmerman, who has been charged with second degree murder in the Martin shooting, acted in self-defense. That’s up 25 points from 15 percent  in March and up 16 points from 24 percent last month.

Thirty-six percent remain undecided, compared to 55 percent two months ago.

The survey of 1,000 adults nationwide was conducted on May 19-20, 2012 by Rasmussen Reports. The margin of sampling error is +/- 3 percentage points

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/zimmerman-poll-self-defense/2012/05/22/id/439917
Title: Re: Rasmussen: 40% Think Zimmerman Acted in Self-Defense
Post by: 240 is Back on May 22, 2012, 12:04:46 PM
Going to get even higher as people actually start paying attention to the facts and stop listening to the race-baiting media.

What are "the facts?"

The unknown info that prompted the repub prosecutor to charge his ass with murder?

She has more info than us, and she deemed him a murderer and profiler.  I don't understand everyone's desire to get on Zimm's side here.  He's a hothead who beat his wife, assaulted a cop. and voted for obama, and you guys can't stop deepthroating the kid because trayvon was 17 and smoked pot.
Title: Re: Rasmussen: 40% Think Zimmerman Acted in Self-Defense
Post by: Dos Equis on May 22, 2012, 12:16:44 PM
What are "the facts?"

The unknown info that prompted the repub prosecutor to charge his ass with murder?

She has more info than us, and she deemed him a murderer and profiler.  I don't understand everyone's desire to get on Zimm's side here.  He's a hothead who beat his wife, assaulted a cop. and voted for obama, and you guys can't stop deepthroating the kid because trayvon was 17 and smoked pot.

lol.  You really never get tired of making a fool of yourself.  lol
Title: Re: Rasmussen: 40% Think Zimmerman Acted in Self-Defense
Post by: Vince G, CSN MFT on May 22, 2012, 01:28:02 PM
Going to get even higher as people actually start paying attention to the facts and stop listening to the race-baiting media.

Rasmussen: 40% Think Zimmerman Acted in Self-Defense
Tuesday, 22 May 2012

Forty percent of Americans now think George Zimmerman, who has been charged with second degree murder in the Martin shooting, acted in self-defense. That’s up 25 points from 15 percent  in March and up 16 points from 24 percent last month.

Thirty-six percent remain undecided, compared to 55 percent two months ago.

The survey of 1,000 adults nationwide was conducted on May 19-20, 2012 by Rasmussen Reports. The margin of sampling error is +/- 3 percentage points

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/zimmerman-poll-self-defense/2012/05/22/id/439917


Doesn't matter, you can't go out and provoke a fight and then call self defense....if anything Trayvon was acting in self defense. 
Title: Re: Rasmussen: 40% Think Zimmerman Acted in Self-Defense
Post by: Dos Equis on May 22, 2012, 01:39:03 PM

Doesn't matter, you can't go out and provoke a fight and then call self defense....if anything Trayvon was acting in self defense. 

Yes, it matters.  It gives some sense of what the jury pool might be thinking. 

And yes, you can provoke a fight and still defend yourself.  The physical evidence and eye witness testimony that has been released so far does not show Martin was acting in self defense.  It shows Zimmerman was the one trying to defend himself from a beat down. 
Title: Re: Rasmussen: 40% Think Zimmerman Acted in Self-Defense
Post by: 240 is Back on May 22, 2012, 01:47:16 PM
Yes, it matters.  It gives some sense of what the jury pool might be thinking. 

And yes, you can provoke a fight and still defend yourself.  The physical evidence and eye witness testimony that has been released so far does not show Martin was acting in self defense.  It shows Zimmerman was the one trying to defend himself from a beat down. 

who started the beatdown?   who started the fight?

the one who ran two blocks to get away?  or the one who chased a minor 2 blocks with a gun?

the shoot was legal, but he'll see prison time cause he exaggerated way past lying, and cause he caused all this shit.
Title: Re: Rasmussen: 40% Think Zimmerman Acted in Self-Defense
Post by: Dos Equis on May 22, 2012, 02:00:08 PM
who started the beatdown?   who started the fight?

the one who ran two blocks to get away?  or the one who chased a minor 2 blocks with a gun?

the shoot was legal, but he'll see prison time cause he exaggerated way past lying, and cause he caused all this shit.

It doesn't matter who started the fight. 

Stop trying to stay on both sides of the issue.  He's not charged with perjury or lying to law enforcement.  He's charged with murder. 

And you talking about lying is laugh out loud funny.   :)
Title: Re: Rasmussen: 40% Think Zimmerman Acted in Self-Defense
Post by: 240 is Back on May 22, 2012, 02:04:19 PM
It doesn't matter who started the fight. 
Stop trying to stay on both sides of the issue.  He's not charged with perjury or lying to law enforcement.  He's charged with murder. 
And you talking about lying is laugh out loud funny.   :)

Zimmerman said trayvon was saying 'you die tonight' while covering up his mouth.

The recording (physical evidence) shows trayvon was silent and zimmerman was yelling like a bitch, with no muffling.

and really, you're a thick-headed dude if your bullshit alarm doesn't go off when you hear zimmerman on the phone.  he exaggerated to get them there faster. He lied aobut what happened right before the shooting.  He's going to prison.
Title: Re: Rasmussen: 40% Think Zimmerman Acted in Self-Defense
Post by: Dos Equis on May 22, 2012, 02:08:10 PM
Zimmerman said trayvon was saying 'you die tonight' while covering up his mouth.

The recording (physical evidence) shows trayvon was silent and zimmerman was yelling like a bitch, with no muffling.

and really, you're a thick-headed dude if your bullshit alarm doesn't go off when you hear zimmerman on the phone.  he exaggerated to get them there faster. He lied aobut what happened right before the shooting.  He's going to prison.

O Rly?  Post the link you lying liar.  I accept nothing you say at face value. 
Title: Re: Rasmussen: 40% Think Zimmerman Acted in Self-Defense
Post by: 240 is Back on May 22, 2012, 02:11:29 PM
O Rly?  Post the link you lying liar.  I accept nothing you say at face value. 

George Zimmerman's father, Robert Zimmerman, appeared on an Orlando-area news broadcast to defend his son, and told a reporter that Trayvon Martin said to his son: "you're going to die tonight."

I won't tolerate you accusing the honorable Robert Zimmerman of being a liar, Beach Bum. 

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/trayvon_martin/032812-exclusive-robert-zimmerman-interview
Title: Re: Rasmussen: 40% Think Zimmerman Acted in Self-Defense
Post by: Vince G, CSN MFT on May 22, 2012, 02:26:24 PM
Yes, it matters.  It gives some sense of what the jury pool might be thinking. 

And yes, you can provoke a fight and still defend yourself.  The physical evidence and eye witness testimony that has been released so far does not show Martin was acting in self defense.  It shows Zimmerman was the one trying to defend himself from a beat down. 

No you cannot provoke a fight and call self defense when you shot someone but quite frankly, I don't believe one word Zimmerman says because he's come out with a lot of different explanations so far.   

Personally, I believe that Zimmerman was tired of crime in the neighborhood and decided to try to somehow capture Trayvon....likely because he was a skinny kid that only weighted 158 pounds....didn't realize that he wouldn't go down without a fight. 
Title: Re: Rasmussen: 40% Think Zimmerman Acted in Self-Defense
Post by: 240 is Back on May 22, 2012, 02:43:58 PM
No you cannot provoke a fight and call self defense when you shot someone but quite frankly, I don't believe one word Zimmerman says because he's come out with a lot of different explanations so far.   

Personally, I believe that Zimmerman was tired of crime in the neighborhood and decided to try to somehow capture Trayvon....likely because he was a skinny kid that only weighted 158 pounds....didn't realize that he wouldn't go down without a fight. 

My belief is that he wanted to goad trayvon into a fight, so the police could pull right up and save him, and then trayvon would be locked up for months. 

probably called him one of those words he was using on the phone ;)   and after cutting off his path to his GF's parents house, he may have even started the fight.

Sanford PD just took too long to get there.   Zimm probably started screaming 'help' like a bitch to get witnesses to the 'assault' so trayvon would be prison-bound.

then, he started catching an actual ass whooping, and went for his gun.   


That's my belief - zimmerman wanted a fistfight cause then he's the assaulted hero, a martyr with a story to tell about how he and the sanford PD took down the very burglar that stole his bike.  Remember, zimmerman was accused of domestic violence, and plead out assaulting a cop.  He's a violent man.
Title: Re: Rasmussen: 40% Think Zimmerman Acted in Self-Defense
Post by: Dos Equis on May 22, 2012, 02:50:43 PM
George Zimmerman's father, Robert Zimmerman, appeared on an Orlando-area news broadcast to defend his son, and told a reporter that Trayvon Martin said to his son: "you're going to die tonight."

I won't tolerate you accusing the honorable Robert Zimmerman of being a liar, Beach Bum. 

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/trayvon_martin/032812-exclusive-robert-zimmerman-interview

"The page cannot be found
The page you are looking for might have been removed, had its name changed, or is temporarily unavailable."

 ::)

I'm not calling Robert Zimmerman a liar.  I'm calling YOU a liar. 
Title: Re: Rasmussen: 40% Think Zimmerman Acted in Self-Defense
Post by: Dos Equis on May 22, 2012, 02:54:17 PM
No you cannot provoke a fight and call self defense when you shot someone but quite frankly, I don't believe one word Zimmerman says because he's come out with a lot of different explanations so far.   

Personally, I believe that Zimmerman was tired of crime in the neighborhood and decided to try to somehow capture Trayvon....likely because he was a skinny kid that only weighted 158 pounds....didn't realize that he wouldn't go down without a fight. 

Yes, you can provoke a fight and still have the right to defend yourself.  Dershowitz talks about it here:



What conflicting explanations has Zimmerman given? 
Title: Re: Rasmussen: 40% Think Zimmerman Acted in Self-Defense
Post by: 240 is Back on May 22, 2012, 03:01:20 PM
"The page cannot be found
The page you are looking for might have been removed, had its name changed, or is temporarily unavailable."

 ::)

I'm not calling Robert Zimmerman a liar.  I'm calling YOU a liar. 


???

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/03/29/george-zimmermans-father-claims-trayvon-martin-beat-his-son-threatened-his-life/

Link working fine - He's a judge and he wouldn't lie to a reporter.
Title: Re: Rasmussen: 40% Think Zimmerman Acted in Self-Defense
Post by: Dos Equis on May 22, 2012, 03:07:27 PM
???

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/03/29/george-zimmermans-father-claims-trayvon-martin-beat-his-son-threatened-his-life/

Link working fine - He's a judge and he wouldn't lie to a reporter.

That's a different link you pathological liar.  Good grief.  LOL! . . . .

That's not what I was asking for.  Where is the link supporting this statement:  "The recording (physical evidence) shows trayvon was silent and zimmerman was yelling like a bitch, with no muffling."  
Title: Re: Rasmussen: 40% Think Zimmerman Acted in Self-Defense
Post by: 240 is Back on May 22, 2012, 03:14:40 PM
That's a different link you pathological liar.  Good grief.  LOL! . . . .

That's not what I was asking for.  Where is the link supporting this statement:  "The recording (physical evidence) shows trayvon was silent and zimmerman was yelling like a bitch, with no muffling."  


Thank you for accepting the first half of my claim.  Now I shall prove the other half, about the muffling/inconsistency:

One of those inconsistencies: Zimmerman told police Trayvon had his hand over Zimmerman’s mouth during their fight on the night he shot Trayvon. The Sentinel‘s source confirmed that Zimmerman’s statements include that allegation. But authorities do not believe that happened, the source told the Sentinel, because on one 911 call, someone can be heard screaming for help. If it were Zimmerman, as he claims, his cries were not muffled, the source said.
 
Zimmerman also told police, the source told the Sentinel, that while the two were on the ground, Trayvon reached for Zimmerman’s gun, and the two struggled over it.
Those portions of Zimmerman’s account are not corroborated by other evidence, the source said.

The Blaze = VERY credible - Glen Beck uses it daily on his show.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/alleged-zimmerman-claim-trayvon-put-his-hand-over-my-mouth-went-for-my-gun/


Beach Bum, I encourage you to read more about this story.  These are two pretty big 'exaggerations' or inconsistencies or outright lies - By ZImmerman - that you didn't know about.  You accuse me of being a liar, but you don't seem to know the basic info about this story.  These were talked about on conservative news as well as liberal outlets.  Do you follow the news on a day to day basis?
Title: Re: Rasmussen: 40% Think Zimmerman Acted in Self-Defense
Post by: James on May 22, 2012, 03:20:26 PM
Thank you for accepting the first half of my claim.  Now I shall prove the other half, about the muffling/inconsistency:

One of those inconsistencies: Zimmerman told police Trayvon had his hand over Zimmerman’s mouth during their fight on the night he shot Trayvon. The Sentinel‘s source confirmed that Zimmerman’s statements include that allegation. But authorities do not believe that happened, the source told the Sentinel, because on one 911 call, someone can be heard screaming for help. If it were Zimmerman, as he claims, his cries were not muffled, the source said.
 

Zimmerman at no time said that Martin put his hand over his mouth and kept it there until he shot him dead there-by preventing him from calling for help.. In a similar fashion, the fact that Zimmerman can be heard screaming for help is not proof that Martin did not cover Zimmerman’s mouth for some period of time.

He covered his mouth in the first place because Zimmerman was screaming for help… That corroborates his story, not refutes it.
Title: Re: Rasmussen: 40% Think Zimmerman Acted in Self-Defense
Post by: Dos Equis on May 22, 2012, 04:27:45 PM
Thank you for accepting the first half of my claim.  Now I shall prove the other half, about the muffling/inconsistency:

One of those inconsistencies: Zimmerman told police Trayvon had his hand over Zimmerman’s mouth during their fight on the night he shot Trayvon. The Sentinel‘s source confirmed that Zimmerman’s statements include that allegation. But authorities do not believe that happened, the source told the Sentinel, because on one 911 call, someone can be heard screaming for help. If it were Zimmerman, as he claims, his cries were not muffled, the source said.
 
Zimmerman also told police, the source told the Sentinel, that while the two were on the ground, Trayvon reached for Zimmerman’s gun, and the two struggled over it.
Those portions of Zimmerman’s account are not corroborated by other evidence, the source said.

The Blaze = VERY credible - Glen Beck uses it daily on his show.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/alleged-zimmerman-claim-trayvon-put-his-hand-over-my-mouth-went-for-my-gun/


Beach Bum, I encourage you to read more about this story.  These are two pretty big 'exaggerations' or inconsistencies or outright lies - By ZImmerman - that you didn't know about.  You accuse me of being a liar, but you don't seem to know the basic info about this story.  These were talked about on conservative news as well as liberal outlets.  Do you follow the news on a day to day basis?

Listen Pinnochio, don't get it twisted.  I don't "accuse" you of being a liar.  You ARE a friggin liar.  lol  I probably read less than half of what you post on the board, and in darn near every post I actually read, there is an embellishment or flat out falsehood.  I'll go out on a limb and say the rest of what I don't read is equally bad. 

Like this from the other thread:

Quote
LOL!  The lying liar at it again.  You said "he assaulted women.  domestic abuse charge." 

Lie no. 1:  it was one alleged woman. 

Lie no. 2:  he was apparently never charged with a crime.

Lie no. 3:  you posted this:  "In August 2005, Zimmerman’s ex-fiancee, Veronica Zuazo, filed a civil motion for a restraining order alleging domestic violence."  Here is the next sentence:  "Zimmerman counterfiled for a restraining order against Zuazo. The competing claims were resolved with both restraining orders being granted."  http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/03/27/10894561-zimmerman-accused-of-domestic-violence-fighting-with-a-police-officer?lite

Was there something else, or are you really an even bigger liar than I thought? 



But back to the present lie.  You said this:  "The recording (physical evidence) shows trayvon was silent and zimmerman was yelling like a bitch, with no muffling."  You've now given me a link that says this:  "But authorities do not believe that happened, the source told the Sentinel, because on one 911 call, someone can be heard screaming for help. If it were Zimmerman, as he claims, his cries were not muffled, the source said." 

So, a "source" told a reporter what they heard on the tape.  You haven't heard it.  You have no idea whether "the source" listened to the entire tape or whether the tape captures the entire confrontation.  In other words, you lied again. 

Do you ever tell the truth?  lol
Title: Re: Rasmussen: 40% Think Zimmerman Acted in Self-Defense
Post by: 240 is Back on May 22, 2012, 04:39:51 PM
zimm going to prison.  lies all over the place.  and it's a shame because he probably did fear for his life after doing everything he could to start a fight he thought the police would break up, so that he could be victim/hero and trayvon would go to prison so his bike would be safe.

I cited the source.   ZImmerman delivered a straight-up inconsistency here.  One that he repeated.

Now, the same people who believed Cain when he said "I did nothing inappropriate in 43 years" (when he was secretly paying a lesbian money for a decade, among other things, and keeping it secret from his wife)

The same people who believed cain are going to fight tooth and nail to believe zimmerman here.  And that's cool  in the end, when he goes to prison, you can blame 'race terrorists" or "liberalism" or whatever.

Those of us with decent bullshit detectors knew from the moment we heard the 911 call that zimm was exaggerating or lying.   Not something you do when your WORD is the only thing keeping you out of prison after you shoot someone.
Title: Re: Rasmussen: 40% Think Zimmerman Acted in Self-Defense
Post by: Vince G, CSN MFT on May 22, 2012, 04:49:06 PM
This is
Title: Re: Rasmussen: 40% Think Zimmerman Acted in Self-Defense
Post by: tonymctones on May 22, 2012, 04:50:32 PM
Zimmerman at no time said that Martin put his hand over his mouth and kept it there until he shot him dead there-by preventing him from calling for help.. In a similar fashion, the fact that Zimmerman can be heard screaming for help is not proof that Martin did not cover Zimmerman’s mouth for some period of time.

He covered his mouth in the first place because Zimmerman was screaming for help… That corroborates his story, not refutes it.
read this 240, just b/c trayvon covered zimmermans mouth doesnt mean it was covered the entire time....

if trayvon said, instead of yelled do you think the phone would have picked that up?
Title: Re: Rasmussen: 40% Think Zimmerman Acted in Self-Defense
Post by: Vince G, CSN MFT on May 22, 2012, 04:52:20 PM
This is Trayvon 2 weeks before he was murdered.    He's just a kid.....not some hardened criminal


(http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/17hyv6pj79xfjjpg/cmt-medium.jpg)
Title: Re: Rasmussen: 40% Think Zimmerman Acted in Self-Defense
Post by: tonymctones on May 22, 2012, 05:34:52 PM
This is Trayvon 2 weeks before he was murdered.    He's just a kid.....not some hardened criminal


(http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/17hyv6pj79xfjjpg/cmt-medium.jpg)
LINK???

Also please cite the words in the article that says the other photos of trayvon were fake...
Title: Re: Rasmussen: 40% Think Zimmerman Acted in Self-Defense
Post by: 240 is Back on May 22, 2012, 05:37:50 PM
read this 240, just b/c trayvon covered zimmermans mouth doesnt mean it was covered the entire time....

if trayvon said, instead of yelled do you think the phone would have picked that up?

Getbiggers are inventing the 'partial' coverage.   The sanford PD source said ti was a pretty big deal.  This leads me to believe zimmerman didn't say "it was only covered some of the time" or it woudln't have been such a big issue/contraction.

In other words, I trust the sanford PD source's conclusion - he had the evidence - over a 'maybe he meant' from getbig.

I can't prove, neither can any of us, so it's pointless to debate at this point, until the proof comes out.  All we know is that those who DO have all the evidence are saying zimmerman lied. 
Title: Re: Rasmussen: 40% Think Zimmerman Acted in Self-Defense
Post by: Vince G, CSN MFT on May 22, 2012, 05:38:26 PM
LINK???

Also please cite the words in the article that says the other photos of trayvon were fake...



There are numerous links on CNN and Fox from last month that reported that the images were fake but did not know where they came from until today.  They may report on it soon.  Gawker usually gets ahead of mainstream news
Title: Re: Rasmussen: 40% Think Zimmerman Acted in Self-Defense
Post by: tonymctones on May 22, 2012, 05:40:09 PM


There are numerous links on CNN and Fox from last month that reported that the images were fake but did not know where they came from until today.  They may report on it soon.  Gawker usually gets ahead of mainstream news
I havent seen anything, would you be so kind as to link one of them for us?

Also a link to the website you got this picture of trayvon only 2 weeks before his death?
Title: Re: Rasmussen: 40% Think Zimmerman Acted in Self-Defense
Post by: Vince G, CSN MFT on May 22, 2012, 05:47:24 PM
I havent seen anything, would you be so kind as to link one of them for us?

Also a link to the website you got this picture of trayvon only 2 weeks before his death?


The picture is from Gawker on the other thread I created....if you scroll down to the comments, you'll see the picture.


Here's a link on CNN regarding fake pictures
http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-767114


another
http://www.wtsp.com/news/article/247194/19/Fake-Trayvon-Martin-picture-circulates-on-the-web-image-actually-shows-a-different-person
Title: Re: Rasmussen: 40% Think Zimmerman Acted in Self-Defense
Post by: tonymctones on May 22, 2012, 05:52:54 PM

The picture is from Gawker on the other thread I created....if you scroll down to the comments, you'll see the picture.


Here's a link on CNN regarding fake pictures
http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-767114
LOL the fake photo is of the one where he is flipping the bird with both hands and has been known for a long time now.

There is a real recent one where he is smiling showing his gold grill however. Even Media Matters admits that one is real.

LMFAO so you dont know if that is a picture of him 2 weeks before he died? youre just taking the word of a comment on the gawker website?

Here you go Vince, the photo that even media matters admits is trayvon and subsequently what obamas son would look like.
Title: Re: Rasmussen: 40% Think Zimmerman Acted in Self-Defense
Post by: Shockwave on May 22, 2012, 05:54:44 PM
This is Trayvon 2 weeks before he was murdered.    He's just a kid.....not some hardened criminal


(http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/17hyv6pj79xfjjpg/cmt-medium.jpg)

LOL, you and 240 are like fucking 2 pea's in a pod full of horseshit, its hilarious how many lies and flat out innaccurate information the 2 of you pass off as "reality".


Fuckin LULZ.
Title: Re: Rasmussen: 40% Think Zimmerman Acted in Self-Defense
Post by: Vince G, CSN MFT on May 22, 2012, 05:58:44 PM
LOL the fake photo is of the one where he is flipping the bird with both hands and has been known for a long time now.

There is a real recent one where he is smiling showing his gold grill however. Even Media Matters admits that one is real.

LMFAO so you dont know if that is a picture of him 2 weeks before he died? youre just taking the word of a comment on the gawker website?

Here you go Vince, the photo that even media matters admits is trayvon and subsequently what obamas son would look like.

Sorry but that's not him...that's some other brotha.  I saw his Facebook page before it was taken down and that one is a picture of him at his Junior Prom.  I've seen all of his actual pictures so I know which one's are his.


In any event, its pointless to debate because it doesn't give anyone the right to shoot someone.
Title: Re: Rasmussen: 40% Think Zimmerman Acted in Self-Defense
Post by: Shockwave on May 22, 2012, 05:59:13 PM
Sorry but that's not him...that's some other brotha.  I saw his Facebook page before it was taken down and that one is a picture of him at his Junior Prom.  I've seen all of his actual pictures so I know which one's are his.


In any event, its pointless to debate because it doesn't give anyone the right to shoot someone.
Pointless to debate cause your wrong and thats not him 2 weeks before he was shot numbnuts.
Title: Re: Rasmussen: 40% Think Zimmerman Acted in Self-Defense
Post by: tonymctones on May 22, 2012, 05:59:34 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/media-matters-apologizes-drudge-over-trayvon-martin-tweet-050606602.html

LOL you should try again there hoss....

Title: Re: Rasmussen: 40% Think Zimmerman Acted in Self-Defense
Post by: tonymctones on May 22, 2012, 06:00:32 PM
Sorry but that's not him...that's some other brotha.  I saw his Facebook page before it was taken down and that one is a picture of him at his Junior Prom.  I've seen all of his actual pictures so I know which one's are his.


In any event, its pointless to debate because it doesn't give anyone the right to shoot someone.
no debating there, the fact that trayvon was beating him and wrestling for his gun gives him that right.

the photo of the kid flicking off the camera is the fake one, this one is real...
Title: Re: Rasmussen: 40% Think Zimmerman Acted in Self-Defense
Post by: tonymctones on May 22, 2012, 06:03:35 PM
Sorry but that's not him...that's some other brotha.  I saw his Facebook page before it was taken down and that one is a picture of him at his Junior Prom.  I've seen all of his actual pictures so I know which one's are his.


In any event, its pointless to debate because it doesn't give anyone the right to shoot someone.
LMFAO this gold tooth picture was taken from his FACEBOOK PAGE YOU MORON!!!


hahahha

"For the record, just so readers aren't confused, this photo (taken from Martin's facebook page) is the one Drudge used:"

Title: Re: Rasmussen: 40% Think Zimmerman Acted in Self-Defense
Post by: Shockwave on May 22, 2012, 06:05:15 PM
LMFAO this gold tooth picture was taken from his FACEBOOK PAGE YOU MORON!!!


hahahha

"For the record, just so readers aren't confused, this photo (taken from Martin's facebook page) is the one Drudge used:"


Dude cant even read, and were supposed to take him seriously?

LULZ.
Title: Re: Rasmussen: 40% Think Zimmerman Acted in Self-Defense
Post by: tonymctones on May 22, 2012, 06:07:20 PM
Dude cant even read, and were supposed to take him seriously?

LULZ.
LOL he has been a joke since he said he could turn an airsoft gun into a fully automatic weapon.

The sad thing is I cant really tell if he is trolling or if he actually is that dumb.
Title: Re: Rasmussen: 40% Think Zimmerman Acted in Self-Defense
Post by: Shockwave on May 22, 2012, 06:09:35 PM
LOL he has been a joke since he said he could turn an airsoft gun into a fully automatic weapon.

The sad thing is I cant really tell if he is trolling or if he actually is that dumb.
Im begining to think 240 may be trolling, but Vince, he really is that dumb.

He tried to argue about how a certain "green light bulb" wasnt going to cost what was stated in the article posted, and then posted a link to a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT BRAND AND TYPE of lightbulb, and argued for pages that we just couldnt find it.

Finally, when others started saying the same thing, suddenly it was "I know, I was just fucking with you guys".

Derp.
Title: Re: Rasmussen: 40% Think Zimmerman Acted in Self-Defense
Post by: tonymctones on May 22, 2012, 06:10:58 PM
Im begining to think 240 may be trolling, but Vince, he really is that dumb.

He tried to argue about how a certain "green light bulb" wasnt going to cost what was stated in the article posted, and then posted a link to a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT BRAND AND TYPE of lightbulb, and argued for pages that we just couldnt find it.

Finally, when others started saying the same thing, suddenly it was "I know, I was just fucking with you guys".

Derp.
LOL oh 240 is trolling like he always does but yea I agree about vince I believe he really is that stupid
Title: Re: Rasmussen: 40% Think Zimmerman Acted in Self-Defense
Post by: Vince G, CSN MFT on May 22, 2012, 06:11:20 PM
no debating there, the fact that trayvon was beating him and wrestling for his gun gives him that right.

the photo of the kid flicking off the camera is the fake one, this one is real...


That's right....Zimmerman was getting his ass kicked because he decided to play TJ Hooker and go after Trayvon.  guy should have stayed in his car and let the police handle it .  You don't get out of jail for free for starting shit.  

Zimmerman went after an unarmed teenager for absolutely no reason whatsoever other than "he looked like he was up to no good" and he was wrong.  Kid was just walking down the street minding his own business and not breaking any laws.  I hope they throw the book at him to serve as a warning to others not to do the job of the police dept unless you work for them.  
Title: Re: Rasmussen: 40% Think Zimmerman Acted in Self-Defense
Post by: Vince G, CSN MFT on May 22, 2012, 06:14:02 PM
LMFAO this gold tooth picture was taken from his FACEBOOK PAGE YOU MORON!!!


hahahha

"For the record, just so readers aren't confused, this photo (taken from Martin's facebook page) is the one Drudge used:"




Didn't you read my other thread....his FB account and other accounts were hacked and a bunch of fake pictures were placed up there along with racist emails sent out from his account...unless dead people can somehow come from the spiritual world to post on Facebook...if that was the case, maybe we can get Onlyme to post again... ::)
Title: Re: Rasmussen: 40% Think Zimmerman Acted in Self-Defense
Post by: tonymctones on May 22, 2012, 06:15:42 PM

That's right....Zimmerman was getting his ass kicked because he decided to play TJ Hooker and go after Trayvon.  guy should have stayed in his car and let the police handle it .  You don't get out of jail for free for starting shit.  

Zimmerman went after an unarmed teenager for absolutely no reason whatsoever other than "he looked like he was up to no good" and he was wrong.  Kid was just walking down the street minding his own business and not breaking any laws.  I hope they throw the book at him to serve as a warning to others not to do the job of the police dept unless you work for them.  
IIIFFFF zimmerman did indeed start a fight with an innocent kid and then killed him he should be punished, not with second degree murder but punished.

however there is no law against keeping your eye on a person who fits the description of ppl who have perpetrated multiple break ins in the area.

IN ANY CASE!!!!

its no excuse for putting of false information on either side...INCLUDING YOUR DUMB ASS!!!!
Title: Re: Rasmussen: 40% Think Zimmerman Acted in Self-Defense
Post by: tonymctones on May 22, 2012, 06:16:48 PM

Didn't you read my other thread....his FB account and other accounts were hacked and a bunch of fake pictures were placed up there along with racist emails sent out from his account...unless dead people can somehow come from the spiritual world to post on Facebook...if that was the case, maybe we can get Onlyme to post again... ::)
your other thread doesnt say anything about fake pics, THATS WHY I ASKED YOU TO QUOTE THE PART OF THE ARTICLE!!!

LMFAO

IT ALSO NEVER SAYS ANYTHING ABOUT HIS FACEBOOK ACCOUNT JUST HIS EMAIL!!!!
Title: Re: Rasmussen: 40% Think Zimmerman Acted in Self-Defense
Post by: Shockwave on May 22, 2012, 06:18:45 PM
your other thread doesnt say anything about fake pics, THATS WHY I ASKED YOU TO QUOTE THE PART OF THE ARTICLE!!!

LMFAO

IT ALSO NEVER SAYS ANYTHING ABOUT HIS FACEBOOK ACCOUNT JUST HIS EMAIL!!!!
It actually says that the dude cracked his email and leaked his private leaks.

Epic thread backfire.
Title: Re: Rasmussen: 40% Think Zimmerman Acted in Self-Defense
Post by: Dos Equis on May 22, 2012, 06:32:09 PM
This is Trayvon 2 weeks before he was murdered.    He's just a kid.....not some hardened criminal


(http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/17hyv6pj79xfjjpg/cmt-medium.jpg)

That looks vastly different from the 17-year-old kid who was shot.  Looks more like the younger version the media was pimping around. 
Title: Re: Rasmussen: 40% Think Zimmerman Acted in Self-Defense
Post by: Skip8282 on May 22, 2012, 06:33:53 PM
This is Trayvon 2 weeks before he was murdered.    He's just a kid.....not some hardened criminal


(http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/17hyv6pj79xfjjpg/cmt-medium.jpg)





Bullshit.  He was 6'3" when he was shot.  You can see the couch and lamp behind.  2 weeks my ass.
Title: Re: Rasmussen: 40% Think Zimmerman Acted in Self-Defense
Post by: Dos Equis on May 22, 2012, 06:35:55 PM
Also looks photoshopped.  Head looks too small for the body.
Title: Re: Rasmussen: 40% Think Zimmerman Acted in Self-Defense
Post by: Skip8282 on May 22, 2012, 06:38:03 PM
Also looks photoshopped.  Head looks too small for the body.



Ah...good point.
Title: Re: Rasmussen: 40% Think Zimmerman Acted in Self-Defense
Post by: Shockwave on May 22, 2012, 07:00:33 PM
Yeah, its pretty obvious Vince got taken in like the idiot he is at least twice more today.

He doesnt have to let facts get in his way or anything.
Title: Re: Rasmussen: 40% Think Zimmerman Acted in Self-Defense
Post by: Vince G, CSN MFT on May 22, 2012, 07:07:43 PM




Bullshit.  He was 6'3" when he was shot.  You can see the couch and lamp behind.  2 weeks my ass.

According to the Autospy report...6 foot 1....158 pounds.....tall and skinny....
Title: Re: Rasmussen: 40% Think Zimmerman Acted in Self-Defense
Post by: Shockwave on May 22, 2012, 07:08:36 PM
According to the Autospy report...6 foot 1....158 pounds.....tall and skinny....
Post it.
Title: Re: Rasmussen: 40% Think Zimmerman Acted in Self-Defense
Post by: Vince G, CSN MFT on May 22, 2012, 07:13:15 PM
Here's another picture of Trayvon....


(http://i.cdn.turner.com/dr/teg/tsg/release/sites/default/files/assets/trayvonmartinbody.jpg)
Title: Re: Rasmussen: 40% Think Zimmerman Acted in Self-Defense
Post by: Shockwave on May 22, 2012, 07:14:15 PM
Here's another picture of Trayvon....


(http://i.cdn.turner.com/dr/teg/tsg/release/sites/default/files/assets/trayvonmartinbody.jpg)
LOL, good ole Vince, thread backfires then starts trying to make it seem like he was joking.
Title: Re: Rasmussen: 40% Think Zimmerman Acted in Self-Defense
Post by: Vince G, CSN MFT on May 22, 2012, 07:20:49 PM
LOL, good ole Vince, thread backfires then starts trying to make it seem like he was joking.


That's not a joke.  You can see part of Trayvon's body under that.  The Ice Tea fell out while paramedics were working on him and was placed on him to preserve the scene.  Its from the Smoking Gun


People can cry all they want about Zimmerman's injuries but its nothing compared to Trayvon's.   ::)
Title: Re: Rasmussen: 40% Think Zimmerman Acted in Self-Defense
Post by: Vince G, CSN MFT on May 22, 2012, 07:23:17 PM
Post it.


You want every single fucking link don't you.... ::)  And I was wrong about his height...he was actually 5'11


http://www.autopsyfiles.org/reports/Other/martin_trayvon_report.pdf
Title: Re: Rasmussen: 40% Think Zimmerman Acted in Self-Defense
Post by: Vince G, CSN MFT on May 22, 2012, 07:45:57 PM
And the crowd goes silent after backing up what I say.....I'm done for the night...
Title: Re: Rasmussen: 40% Think Zimmerman Acted in Self-Defense
Post by: The Showstoppa on May 22, 2012, 07:48:38 PM

That's not a joke.  You can see part of Trayvon's body under that.  The Ice Tea fell out while paramedics were working on him and was placed on him to preserve the scene.  Its from the Smoking Gun


People can cry all they want about Zimmerman's injuries but its nothing compared to Trayvon's.   ::)

Trayvon shouldn't have brought an ice tea and a bag of skittles to a gunfight.
Title: Re: Rasmussen: 40% Think Zimmerman Acted in Self-Defense
Post by: Soul Crusher on May 22, 2012, 07:50:54 PM
And the crowd goes silent after backing up what I say.....I'm done for the night...

Hey idiot - I have a thread ging you still have not said boo in about the peeps committing far worse crimes and no one saying boo.   Take a look at. It.
Title: Re: Rasmussen: 40% Think Zimmerman Acted in Self-Defense
Post by: Skip8282 on May 22, 2012, 07:51:03 PM

You want every single fucking link don't you.... ::)  And I was wrong about his height...he was actually 5'11


http://www.autopsyfiles.org/reports/Other/martin_trayvon_report.pdf



If he's only 5'11" then the pic is somewhat more believable, but still awfully baby-faced. 

I read your link and the pic isn't from Gawker...but some poster.

Gawker did link to his myspace and the pic doesn't look like what you posted.  So I'm still not buying it's a legit pic.
Title: Re: Rasmussen: 40% Think Zimmerman Acted in Self-Defense
Post by: tonymctones on May 22, 2012, 08:25:07 PM
^^^
Exactly a picture from a comment section of a blog...

The real trayvon folks, per the left wing rag media matters.

Title: Re: Rasmussen: 40% Think Zimmerman Acted in Self-Defense
Post by: avxo on May 23, 2012, 02:05:03 AM
Going to get even higher as people actually start paying attention to the facts and stop listening to the race-baiting media.

Who cares what a sampling of people think about the case? The only poll that will matter will be the one the jurors take among themselves.
Title: Re: Rasmussen: 40% Think Zimmerman Acted in Self-Defense
Post by: garebear on May 23, 2012, 04:16:16 AM
Yes, it matters.  It gives some sense of what the jury pool might be thinking. 

And yes, you can provoke a fight and still defend yourself.  The physical evidence and eye witness testimony that has been released so far does not show Martin was acting in self defense.  It shows Zimmerman was the one trying to defend himself from a beat down. 
???
Title: Re: Rasmussen: 40% Think Zimmerman Acted in Self-Defense
Post by: Shockwave on May 23, 2012, 04:34:56 AM

You want every single fucking link don't you.... ::)  And I was wrong about his height...he was actually 5'11


http://www.autopsyfiles.org/reports/Other/martin_trayvon_report.pdf
Interesting.
Still doesnt corroborate your inane youth pic.

And your damn right I want a link, especially from you, who seems incapable of basic reading comprehension most times.
Title: Re: Rasmussen: 40% Think Zimmerman Acted in Self-Defense
Post by: Dos Equis on May 23, 2012, 11:50:42 AM
???

 :)