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I'm very healthy, still have some muscle under here. 24 years old, lots of self 0control and drive (when I care). How quickly can I drop this 20 "bs fat I gained over the winter? 220 lbs as of today.
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I'm very healthy, still have some muscle under here. 24 years old, lots of self 0control and drive (when I care). How quickly can I drop this 20 "bs fat I gained over the winter? 220 lbs as of today.
I thought you were running low carb anyway? Did you stop?
I'm also very disappointed in myself that I actually have this stored in my mind.
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well the fastest way would be keto as you drop water super fast. 10lbs easily the first 2 weeks. Add another 4 weeks losing about 2 lbs per week. So i would say 6 weeks, could be a bit more or less.
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ECA & Stress
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I thought you were running low carb anyway? Did you stop?
I'm also very disappointed in myself that I actually have this stored in my mind.
Never got started, lol... Some work issues and now I'm in a double crunch to get into shape.
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oops, just noticed you said 20lbs of fat, not weight. It's gonna take longer than what I predicted, hope you can do this for a good 3 months.
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I'm very healthy, still have some muscle under here. 24 years old, lots of self 0control and drive (when I care). How quickly can I drop this 20 "bs fat I gained over the winter? 220 lbs as of today.
Well, first let's start with math: when you say you gained 20 lbs, we multiply that by 5, then we add 32, divide by 7 and add your shoe size. That's how many months it will take. Short answer: you won't recover.
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I'm also very disappointed in myself that I actually have this stored in my mind.
That's fucking hilarious!!!
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This has to be mostly water. I went from 200 to 220 in like two months.
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This has to be mostly water. I went from 200 to 220 in like two months.
I would say about half/half. Anyway, bottom line is the sooner you start, the sooner you will look better. So what approach do you plan on doing. Post your diet for corrections if need be.
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I'm very healthy, still have some muscle under here. 24 years old, lots of self 0control and drive (when I care). How quickly can I drop this 20 "bs fat I gained over the winter? 220 lbs as of today.
well the fastest way would be keto, i would say 6 weeks, could be a bit more or less.
6 Weeks sounds about right, if you don't stray from the diet.
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You plan on running something?
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Cut one of your arms off, it should do the trick.
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I'm very healthy, still have some muscle under here. 24 years old, lots of self 0control and drive (when I care). How quickly can I drop this 20 "bs fat I gained over the winter? 220 lbs as of today.
Let me give you tough love, first of all you do not have self control or drive if you did you would not have 20lbs of fat in the first place, being in shape is for disciplined people only. forget about drugs and pills and do cardio and get on a diet, brown rice, steel cut oats, lot of fiber and no carbs in the last meal of the day.
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Let me give you tough love, first of all you do not have self control or drive if you did you would not have 20lbs of fat in the first place, being in shape is for disciplined people only. forget about drugs and pills and do cardio and get on a diet, brown rice, steel cut oats, lot of fiber and no carbs in the last meal of the day.
I appreciate what you're saying here, but I'm no twink. I almost had abs for about three years, didn't care to get any leaner, mostly focused on just looking pretty good, and having a good time.
I knowingly gained weight over the winter, enjoying myself and some good food. My problem isn't really drive, I just cannot juggle other shit I'm doing because I haven't yet made this a top priority. I am now, and I'll definitely report back.
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you saying one of his arms has 20lbs of lard in it ???
(http://www.blogiversity.org/blogs/cstanton/schlitte.jpg)
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If he has hands like Psychofat, lopping off one hand should do the trick.
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Something that may irritate some of you. I'm most successful doing a Wavelength/Adonis diet. I've accomplished and surpassed my goals before doing it this way.
It's the way my grandpa always dieted (no bodybuilder).
One good big meal a day, and maybe a snack.
(http://i698.photobucket.com/albums/vv350/wave_length/foodforhealth436.jpg)
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=301609.0
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Buy MuscleTech products and your wallet wil be 20 lbs lighter...
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If you have a sharp knife it should only take a few seconds.
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he should wank with the other hand once in a while.
adonis diet?
"almost seen abs"?
good luck ever seeing them on that diet.
nobody follows the adonis diet, bc its vague collection of bs and not clear cut and he changes the goal posts whenever he feels like.
if you eat 200 gramm protein a day and not much else, yeah, then you get lean quick.that not much else can indeed be a bigmac daily, but yeah, thats not an adonis diet.
adonis claimed 50grams protein, rda + beer only would be an ok diet.dont give him too much credit.
there is no easy way of dieting, if there was everybody would be shredded all year
I've done it, it's definitely an enjoyable easy way to get into shape. The only reason I did the low/no carb thing was to go even farther temporarily (or now to get rid of this fat/water quickly) and that does help but Adonis/Wavelength Diet no question for easily looking above average at the pool/beach.
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Camera makes you look 10lb heavier. FYI, i already reported you to the bullying authority, trailer park f.aggot.
Snitch. Fat snitch with fried sausage fingers.
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well the fastest way would be keto as you drop water super fast. 10lbs easily the first 2 weeks. Add another 4 weeks losing about 2 lbs per week. So i would say 6 weeks, could be a bit more or less.
yep.^-^
make sure you throw in some fat though for a day each week, otherwise those last few weeks will do nothing.
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I'm very healthy, still have some muscle under here. 24 years old, lots of self 0control and drive (when I care). How quickly can I drop this 20 "bs fat I gained over the winter? 220 lbs as of today.
How fast can you get a hold of some DNP?
Granted, the shit's Russian Roulette according to some people (I actually had no problems with mine, but my supplier was no bathtub "scientist"), but IF, and I DO MEAN IF, you have a source you truly trust, you should be able to pig out and lose a half-pound of fat a day with the shit.
Apparently I had remarkably good luck with DNP because every time I've mentioned it, several guys have gone apeshit and thought me completely reckless. Had you taken the doses I did, you wouldn't think so -- but then, I know the shit is basically bugspray.
Otherwise, tren, clen, winny and halo. gH if you can afford it. If not, tren and clen. Cut the carbs.
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I've lost 20lbs in 4 weeks and got my waist size down 3 inches. Here's what I did:
- Cut carbs back about 75%. All carbs from veggies and an occasional apple.
- 60-90 minutes morning cardio on empty stomach (jogging, bike, treadmill or whatever you knees can handle) 4 times a week.
- Ephedrine and caffeine taken 1 hour before morning cardio.
- High protein, high-moderate fat, low carb intake. No high glycemic carbs at all. No cheat meals either.
- Cardio and weight training should be done on separate days if possible.
- Weight train 3-4 times a week. You'll prob be tired from the cardio.
It's not keto, but it gets the job done for me. If you're natty you'll probably lose some muscle, but you'll drop a lot of fat.
I am about to implement this regime starting tomorrow. Going to So Cal 4 weeks from now.
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I've lost 20lbs in 4 weeks and got my waist size down 3 inches. Here's what I did:
- Cut carbs back about 75%. All carbs from veggies and an occasional apple.
- 60-90 minutes morning cardio on empty stomach (jogging, bike, treadmill or whatever you knees can handle) 4 times a week.
- Ephedrine and caffeine taken 1 hour before morning cardio.
- High protein, high-moderate fat, low carb intake. No high glycemic carbs at all. No cheat meals either.
- Cardio and weight training should be done on separate days if possible.
- Weight train 3-4 times a week. You'll prob be tired from the cardio.
It's not keto, but it gets the job done for me. If you're natty you'll probably lose some muscle, but you'll drop a lot of fat.
I am about to implement this regime starting tomorrow. Going to So Cal 4 weeks from now.
Interesting, thanks
Always wanted to go the bronkaid route, kind of scared my heart with explode. ;D
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crack
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No carbs is the fastest way, period, no faster way except maybe total starvation, anyhow, if you do try, your chances of successfully losing fat are extremely low. If 100 people got put on a ketosis diet only 5 would make it past the first week and only 1 would get those 20 lb of fat off, these are the facts, discipline, strong will is the only way to lose weight. Ask Tbombz, lol.
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yep.^-^
make sure you throw in some fat though for a day each week, otherwise those last few weeks will do nothing.
Not true, there is no limit or plateaus to no carbs, the longer you are on them the more fat you will lose, never hitting a plateau no matter what until you have no fat left, however I would add fat like you stated cause it will speed up the process of fat burning but there is no such a thing as "a week that doesn't burn fat on no carbs"
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cut off an arm
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cut off an arm
Someone beat you to it bro.
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No carbs is the fastest way, period, no faster way except maybe total starvation, anyhow, if you do try, your chances of successfully losing fat are extremely low. If 100 people got put on a ketosis diet only 5 would make it past the first week and only 1 would get those 20 lb of fat off, these are the facts, discipline, strong will is the only way to lose weight. Ask Tbombz, lol.
I have absolutely no problem going carb free, done it a few times before and it works like a dream.
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I have absolutely no problem going carb free, done it a few times before and it works like a dream.
Good then you will lose 20lb in 5-6 weeks (average person), but of actual fat 9-10 weeks (average person), to lose 20lb of fat would take a total weight lose deficite of 28 lb, again these figures are for average person,... genetics, daily activities, job, and hormone intake will vary these numbers, good luck.
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ONETIME,CAn you post a few typical meals as per your discussion above?
I'd like to give it a try.
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ONETIME,CAn you post a few typical meals as per your discussion above?
I'd like to give it a try.
No problem,
NOTE; No carb diets aren't exactly no carbs, you can have carbs in the form of certain vegetables only, I have ate tons of greens on my no carb diets and still hit full ketosis so carbs from veggies don't count as carbs to us bodybuilders, just keep them moderate. No complex Carb at all on a no carb diet till a cheat day where I would recommend 300 grams of complex carbs once every 7 days.
Meal 1
Romain Lettuce, 3/4 tomatoe, 10-12 oz of chicken breast cut into a slalad with Italian dressing (has to be 5 calorie per serving version only)
Meal 2
6 egg whites, 2 yokes, 1 protein shake
Meal 3
Talipia fish, asparugus or green beans
Meal 4
Lean beef or steak cut into a kabob with grean peppers, red peppers, mushrooms and onions. Protein shake
Meal 5
Chicken breast with brocoli, celery and blue chees or cottage cheese
Meal 6
Can of tuna, protein shake and some egg whites or a piece of turkey
FATS;.. Nuts, Alvacodos, Olives, Good oils, and dietary supplements (omega 3),...these fats should be added to 4 out of your 6 meals
More foods acceptable to eat include,.. Salmon, trout, lobster,shrimp cod, lean ground beef, lean turkey, veal, ham, lamb and certain pork in moderation.
Also cucmber, parsely, lettuce, spinach, Cauliflower.,..... I know there is more but keep it simple and enjoy
if you are confused about anything, just ask, love to help anyone on getbig, this is how I diet and I have had striated glutes (no homo) before.
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Well in today moder medicine......you could.got.to.a plastic surgen and get 20lbs. Cut ojt in a few.hrs.
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I wish I was popular enough to have someone challenge me with like $1000 to lose 20 pounds in 3.5 weeks or something. :(
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lol, dont do that,that cant be any good.
and onetimehard, i sometimes had a week with no progress and thought thats a plateau, but kept going anyway and the week after it was all good again ???
You can't really tell if you've had no progress in a week, the issue is not wether you lost fat that week or not, cause I garuntee you did, the issue is maybe you had more sodium and didn't move in weight or you blurred out and seemed like you hit a plateau but you can not I repeat can not stop losing fat, not even for 1 day when your body is in full Ketosis, it isn't even scientifically possible. If you buy ketone sticks and check your levels and the ketones sticks read full ketosis there is no possible way for your body to burn carbs when you are in full ketosis, no way so all the movement from your body is burning fat, this is a proven fact not even up for debate.
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sounds about right, sometimes there is a water film under the skin for a couple days and when it goes away it suddenly looks much better.
whats your opinion on 50-100gramms carbs from veg a day, does this hold back ketosis overall?
Veggies don't effect your ketones, well maybe if you eat 5 lb of it in a day,.. but seriously no carbs= greens allowed, I don't count them as carbs, never have and they don't effect weight loss whatsoever,
I always used the sticks and I catch people in lies all the time, I get people ready for contest and half way through they are falling behind so I put them on zero carbs for ten days then they swear up and down that they never cheated, then I say piss in this cup and bang, busted, lol....
It takes me less then 5 days to get in full ketosis and I have experimented this with different combos of food, an example is 1 day I ate a whole tomato, bunch of lettuce and half a cucumber and remained in full ketosis, another time I ate 1 apple and it knocked me off of full ketosis, so definitely greens are alowed, 100 grams, no problem
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onetimehard, another thing ive wondered about, for ketosis, if you reduce fat intake, that should accelerate fatloss, right?
you know, i prefer mainly protein with some little carbs(between 0-150g) with little fat.
would you say the closer to just protein and nothing else, the faster the results will be?
this is ofc, on gear.
Yes but there is a point that your body will uttilize the fat, for exmple I think you will lose more fat ingesting only 40 grams of fat a day then 200 grams a day but I would say there would be no difference between 40 and zero, so you might as well keep at least 40 grams in.
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Some good advice here so it maybe good to move to nutrition board so others can access it later. It'll vanish on g and o
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Yes but there is a point that your body will uttilize the fat, for exmple I think you will lose more fat ingesting only 40 grams of fat a day then 200 grams a day but I would say there would be no difference between 40 and zero, so you might as well keep at least 40 grams in.
Btw how does this affect your mental state? Will you be less energetic? Still be able to think clearly during heavy work days?
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Btw how does this affect your mental state? Will you be less energetic? Still be able to think clearly during heavy work days?
Yes, very sluggish and tired, but there are simple solutions to this, stimulents are needed, over 12 different types you can use., the most common ones being Caffeine and ephedrine, this is why I suggest a diet like this be planned and for at least 30 days prior so you can stop all caffiene intake and stop any type of pre-workout drink, fat burners, or ephdrine so you can down regulate you receptors, the further into the diet and the longer you rely on stimulent the higher you have to rev the dose.
Personally I don't take caffeine or ephedrine for fat-lose, I only take them to pick me up for a workout and the days I don't lift, I don't take anything.
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Ya the carrots are more dense.,so stick to the less dense viggies, which means almost all greens, and for me I really don't go no carbs until I hit 8%, I am like you 50-100 grams a day and still lose at a good paste
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i can only talk for myself, yes, you feel bit weak and all, but as soon im warmed up in the gym, its all good, the pumps are even better than when i have carbs, but that could be the gear, not sure.
still strong and even endurance is fine.
the thinking is no problem whatsoever, only on the first couple days of going low or towards zero carbs i feel bit weird.
This is cause you are mentally strong, mentality plays a big role here
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Sorry, yes you can get them at the pharnacy, but I live in Canada so might be different down there, but I don't see why not.
EDIT; let me add that there are a few things you need to know when using the stick, have to have your urine close to clear, dyhydration can throw off the results, 2 keep the sticks sealed always before you use them, they are very sensitive, and dip them in a cup don't pee on them, lol.
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thanks, this is precisely my experience too.
yeah i swear i could feel the filling effect of the carrots, my uncle is diabetic and he asked me why you eating that,its kinda like sugar :o
thanks, mental strenght is essential, i have ways to motivate myself,f.e. remembering how shit i feel after 40usd spent at mcdonalds folowed by couple icecreams, or walking by starbucks , mcdonalds and watch the fatsos there in disgust etcetc ;D
sems like us two respond best to the very same diet, i dont think thats coincidence, itd be probably best for most people.
but people somehow think they need carbs for energy, my own brother tells me he needs a can of coke in the morning to get wake and energetic, but he aims for the sixpack ::)
btw, we know the crash can happen anytime, when the craving get too much and you just stuff yourself with everything in sight until the point of almost vomiting ;D
i just make sure its only one meal, not a day and then write it off as "carb up" and simply wait with next meal until im realy hungry, no matter if thatll take 12hours.this limits the damage done for me.
bro I was shredded 2 weeks before a show then I said fuckman 1 bowl of cereal, yes, no,yes,no,yes, fuck it's only 1 bowl, then said 1 more fuck it then 3 then 4 then 5, swear to god had 9 bowls of cereal, I was in tears and lived in an apartment at the time so took all the groceries at least 150 dollars worth and shoved them down the garbage shoot, you go crazies sometimes. then went and did 2 hours of cardio, not worth it.
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Btw how does this affect your mental state? Will you be less energetic? Still be able to think clearly during heavy work days?
Depends how you react to low blood sugar. I get cranky. On low carb I was ready to murder someone for looking in my direction. Or just if he had pasta.
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The sticks are tricky at first, but experiment with them and pay attention to reaction then you will have it down pat, most people are like, "these stupid sticks don't work" but you'll get the hang of it, hard to explain.
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Let me give you tough love, first of all you do not have self control or drive if you did you would not have 20lbs of fat in the first place, being in shape is for disciplined people only. forget about drugs and pills and do cardio and get on a diet, brown rice, steel cut oats, lot of fiber and no carbs in the last meal of the day.
Typical bro science bullshit..... ::)
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just eat good protein,1500 kcal a day,30 min of HIIT weight training,t3,clen,caffeine.Basically Buselmo said it the best,STARVE yourself,boatload of FATBURNERS,AAS to keep the muscle there and here you go.
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The sticks are tricky at first, but experiment with them and pay attention to reaction then you will have it down pat, most people are like, "these stupid sticks don't work" but you'll get the hang of it, hard to explain.
I never got the sticks to register anything other than 'trace'. I was on 20gm> of carbs a day...was using Lyle's CKD protocol. Loved it. I would drink a shit load of water during the day...talking 1 - 1.5 gallons. So, I theorize that my urine was very dilute and thus the ketones just didnt register.
I hold myself now about 80 - 100gm of carbs a day....if I dropped my carbs...all I would do is replace the cals with fat. Someone earlier wanted to lower fat to get into ketosis....from all I have read (and have done) thats not quite the optimal approach. Sure, your AA's are either glucogenic or ketogenic....the fatty acids from fat break down are then converted to ketone bodies (FA to Acetyl CoA to Ketone bodies...etc etc etc)...much more optimal...would you not think?
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I never got the sticks to register anything other than 'trace'. I was on 20gm> of carbs a day...was using Lyle's CKD protocol. Loved it. I would drink a shit load of water during the day...talking 1 - 1.5 gallons. So, I theorize that my urine was very dilute and thus the ketones just didnt register.
I hold myself now about 80 - 100gm of carbs a day....if I dropped my carbs...all I would do is replace the cals with fat. Someone earlier wanted to lower fat to get into ketosis....from all I have read (and have done) thats not quite the optimal approach. Sure, your AA's are either glucogenic or ketogenic....the fatty acids from fat break down are then converted to ketone bodies (FA to Acetyl CoA to Ketone bodies...etc etc etc)...much more optimal...would you not think?
No that's not what he was getting at, he was indicating since you are already in full fat burning mode dropping fat intake equals more loss from a calorie deficit and it's true in a no carb diet 100 grams a fat a day is a lot faster at dropping bodyfat then consuming 200 grams of fat a day.
As far as your carb intake goes I would suspect up to a certain point there may not be a difference between a no carb diet vs a 100gram carb diet but only until a certain stage, say 8% (everyone is different) then after this point that 100 grams of carbs will hinder your progess, maybe not hault it completely but it would be faster without the carbs at this point.
If your fat intake is to high, it will hinder the ketones sticks, your fluid intake aswell, you shouldn't test at the same time of day everyday and you also have to be 2 to 3 weeks into a consistent diet to get a consistent reading.
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No that's not what he was getting at, he was indicating since you are already in full fat burning mode dropping fat intake equals more loss from a calorie deficit and it's true in a no carb diet 100 grams a fat a day is a lot faster at dropping bodyfat then consuming 200 grams of fat a day.
As far as your carb intake goes I would suspect up to a certain point there may not be a difference between a no carb diet vs a 100gram carb diet but only until a certain stage, say 8% (everyone is different) then after this point that 100 grams of carbs will hinder your progess, maybe not hault it completely but it would be faster without the carbs at this point.
If your fat intake is to high, it will hinder the ketones sticks, your fluid intake aswell, you shouldn't test at the same time of day everyday and you also have to be 2 to 3 weeks into a consistent diet to get a consistent reading.
Did it for 12wks...tested morning pre-prandal....mid day, and even at night post prandal.....never tested more than trace. I don't see how higher fat could hinder ketosticks...unless you mean hinder results. More fat, more ketones, more found in urine. So, taking a ketosick reading an hour or so after a meal is not the best. Also within a certain time frame after exercise is not the best. I feel that you will get innaccurate results. In a non diabetic person...there is a certain point at which the body will stop producing ketones because the body will start to produce insulin. In a diabetic person, insulin can be produced to stop that. Problem is, diabetics in ketoacidosis will start producing more betahydroxybuterate than a normal person.....diabetics thats the predominant ketone produced....normal people will produce ketones, acetoactate, and aceton. It took me about 3 - 4 days to 'feel' like I was in ketosis....and I stayed there for about 2 days, then did the carb up.