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http://abcnews.go.com/US/shooting-oak-creek-sikh-temple-milwaukee-oak-creek/story?id=16933779#.UB7D-aMn3IE
A mass shooting has occurred at a Sikh temple in Oak Creek, Wisc., just outside Milwaukee.
At least four people have been reported injured and no suspect has been identified. Hospitals in the area were told to be ready for up to 20 shooting victims, according to police radio reports.
"An officer arrived and engaged a suspect. That officer was shot multiple times. He is expected to survive," said Brad Wentlandt, the police chief of Greenfield, Wisc., at a hastily-arranged briefing for news media.
"The officer exchanged fire with the shooter. That shooter was put down."
Some members of the temple are still inside the temple and are hiding, believing that a gunman may still be inside the building, according to ABC News affiliate WISN.
Wentlandt said, "We believe we have the situation contained here" at the temple. But he also said, "we do not know if there are other shooters at the scene."
He asked media outlets to stop broadcasting aerial footage from helicopters ont elevision, because of tactical operations that were ongoing at the scene.
According to local reports, a gunman walked into the church and opened fire around 10:34 a.m., shortly before a prayer service was scheduled to begin. On Sundays Sikh temples, called gurudwaras, serve a community meal at which anyone is welcome, including members of the public, as part of their community service.
Among those shot was the president of the temple, Satwant Singh Kaleka, who just last Sunday invited a state representative and the county district attorney to discuss a recent rise in violence against area Sikhs at their stores and businesses, according to the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel.
The Journal Sentinel said a SWAT team entered the temple after the shooting and evacuated the uninjured members.
According to information broadcast over police radio, a witness to the shooting told law enforcement the shooter was a white male, bald, with a heavy build. He was wearing a sleeveless T-shirt, according to Oak Creek Patch. He was last seen with two handguns.
A spokeswoman for Froedtert Hospital, the main trauma center in the Milwaukee area, said that three men were taken there and the hospital was ready to receive more, according to the Associated Press.
Federal agents from the Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms bureau are on their way to the scene of the shooting, two government officials told ABC News.
There are more than a dozen ambulances parked outside the temple, and police moved media and a handful of bystanders to an area near the temple.
Amardeep Kaleka, a member of the temple, told WISN his father was inside during the shooting and his mother was hiding inside, believing the gunman was still inside. Kaleka said that a priest called for emergency help after the shooting.
Oak Creek police have not released any information yet on the shooting
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crazy. i can't imagine going to church without my permitted handgun. seems crazy to ever visit such a target rich, poorly defended place without a weapon. And I hope that most people there (many of them vets who can shoot straight) are packing heat too.
one nutjob tries this, he gets dropped. tells the other nutjobs to think again.
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Good ole Mr. Drummond! Nice avatar. :)
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crazy. i can't imagine going to church without my permitted handgun. seems crazy to ever visit such a target rich, poorly defended place without a weapon. And I hope that most people there (many of them vets who can shoot straight) are packing heat too.
one nutjob tries this, he gets dropped. tells the other nutjobs to think again.
These mass shootings are happening like its an every day event. What the hell is going on with people these days? :-\
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Lets play,
GUESS THE RACE!
:D
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Lets play,
GUESS THE RACE!
:D
Caucasian? ??? ???
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crazy. i can't imagine going to church without my permitted handgun. seems crazy to ever visit such a target rich, poorly defended place without a weapon. And I hope that most people there (many of them vets who can shoot straight) are packing heat too.
one nutjob tries this, he gets dropped. tells the other nutjobs to think again.
I remember looking at a 1800's historic photo book from my area and many times the Pastor and men attending an outdoor sermon would have a rifle right by their side. That was mostly in defense of Indian attacks though.
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Good ole Mr. Drummond! Nice avatar. :)
Mr. Drummond would have saved the day if he was there. :D
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Lets play,
GUESS THE RACE!
:D
probably a simpleton who's mistaken sikhs for muslims on account of their turbans ::)
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Mr. Drummond would have saved the day if he was there. :D
Yes. He would have used good ole heartfelt logic to talk the perpetrators off the ledge, no violence necessary. Complete with really well placed, ultra close camera angle! :)
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probably a simpleton who's mistaken sikhs for muslims on account of their turbans ::)
They're all just a bunch of "damn Iranians" to me!
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Lets play,
GUESS THE RACE!
:D
Hahahahhahahaha!!! ;D
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They're all just a bunch of "damn Iranians" to me!
mind you! indians are annoying as fuck. especially indian women. they have a smug sense of superiority about them for some laughable reason.
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Lets play,
GUESS THE RACE!
:D
Im going with white.
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These mass shootings are happening like its an every day event. What the hell is going on with people these days? :-\
Death spirals...Not just copycats, but it's "in the air", people are feeling desperate---whether it be jobs, minorities, or imaginary "boogeymen" (Obama, the government, the 4 horsemen, Gumby, Kobe Bryant vs Lebron,
the woman with the big booty won't talk to him, nobody listens, etc)
America is going thru something right now. The bigger problem is this, instead of acknowledging this, the politicians will use it a weapon to crack down on the American public---but not the criminals.
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Death spirals...Not just copycats, but it's "in the air", people are feeling desperate---whether it be jobs, minorities, or imaginary "boogeymen" (Obama, the government, the 4 horsemen, Gumby, Kobe Bryant vs Lebron,
the woman with the big booty won't talk to him, nobody listens, etc)
America is going thru something right now. The bigger problem is this, instead of acknowledging this, the politicians will use it a weapon to crack down on the American public---but not the criminals.
You took the words right outa my keyboard bro.
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A conspiracy leading up to marshall law, Govt. wants to disarm the public!!! shockwave you were right about the right to bear arms being another endangered right to be taken awayy.
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Death spirals...Not just copycats, but it's "in the air", people are feeling desperate---whether it be jobs, minorities, or imaginary "boogeymen" (Obama, the government, the 4 horsemen, Gumby, Kobe Bryant vs Lebron,
the woman with the big booty won't talk to him, nobody listens, etc)
America is going thru something right now. The bigger problem is this, instead of acknowledging this, the politicians will use it a weapon to crack down on the American public---but not the criminals.
Good post! You're certainly an asset to this community.
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You took the words right outa my keyboard bro.
Bighead---mental telepathy....
I'm now waiting on how the media and the politicians (whores) spin this.
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crazy. i can't imagine going to church without my permitted handgun. seems crazy to ever visit such a target rich, poorly defended place without a weapon. And I hope that most people there (many of them vets who can shoot straight) are packing heat too.
one nutjob tries this, he gets dropped. tells the other nutjobs to think again.
Is this ironic?
Silly Americans taking guns to church is the reason this happened.
By all means keep shooting each other with your guns, just saying.
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http://abcnews.go.com/US/shooting-oak-creek-sikh-temple-milwaukee-oak-creek/story?id=16933779#.UB7D-aMn3IE
A mass shooting has occurred at a Sikh temple in Oak Creek, Wisc., just outside Milwaukee.
Oak Creek police have not released any information yet on the shooting
7 people dead, including the shooter.
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Relgion of Peace ::)
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A conspiracy leading up to marshall law, Govt. wants to disarm the public!!! shockwave you were right about the right to bear arms being another endangered right to be taken awayy.
You may be right. I still think that the Colorado shootings might have been a setup. Too many things don't add up. And the fact that the mainstream media won't even mention the guys dad was going to testify about the libor case is a red flag right there.
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Officer who took shooter down was shot several times and is in surgery at this time.
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I should be a damn news reporter. I think I will apply for a job soon. Look how I conveyed this story to the board.
On my resume, it will read:
2007 - Present
-Forum member of Getbig, bodybuilding board with numerous different sub-forums.
-Posts numerous articles regarding mass shootings, dialysis machines (DA), shredded glutes, and how tiers are decided for schmoes.
-Posts applicable articles, as well as full stories and links to easy access for all of GB .
-Makes appropriate comments and opinions when necessary.
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I should be a damn news reporter. I think I will apply for a job soon. Look how I conveyed this story to the board.
On my resume, it will read:
2007 - Present
-Forum member of Getbig, bodybuilding board with numerous different sub-forums.
-Posts numerous articles regarding mass shootings, dialysis machines (DA), shredded glutes, and how tiers are decided for schmoes.
-Posts applicable articles, as well as full stories and links to easy access for all of GB .
-Makes appropriate comments and opinions when necessary.
thank you sir.
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Sad how this happened..Sikhs carry knives as part of thier tradition but little use in a gun fight.
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A conspiracy leading up to marshall law, Govt. wants to disarm the public!!! shockwave you were right about the right to bear arms being another endangered right to be taken awayy.
OMFG some Americans are sooooooo stupid. Your right to blow each others' brains out is a pretty shitty right to preserve, it's why you keep dying in droves like retarded suicidal arm-bearing patriotic morons every few weeks.
The more people who arm themselves the more shootings you get.
No arms=no retarded shootings. Pretty much the whole rest of the world understands this and laughs with disgust and disbelief at you as you keep killing each other, and continually worsen the problem with the retarded reaction that "if everyone had guns it would be okay", total insanity.
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Is this ironic?
Silly Americans taking guns to church is the reason this happened.
By all means keep shooting each other with your guns, just saying.
See, I dont blame the gun. If there were no guns, the guy could have thrown six vodka bottles/molotov cocktails into the place before he was tackled, and there woulda been at least 7 dead from burned alive in their Sunday best. You can never take away the ability to kill. Any of us could go to a crowded place with a kitchen knife and take down a dozen people before anyone got us to the floor.
At some point, more and more peopel will carry - and they'll start putting down these bad guys. Sucks taht it has to be a militant society like this, but what other solution is there?
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That's pretty sick :D
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Lets play,
GUESS THE RACE!
:D
No reports on who the shooter was yet. They don't know who the gunman was or at least have not released info. They are still going through the parking lot -cars - trying to figure out which car is the gunman's and if it's boobie trapped.
Oak Creek is on the far south side of Milwaukee, very near the airport. A very eclectic mix of working class people - NOT at all the area of the city where there are gangs, drugs, shootings, etc.
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OMFG some Americans are sooooooo stupid. Your right to blow each others' brains out is a pretty shitty right to preserve, it's why you keep dying in droves like retarded suicidal arm-bearing patriotic morons every few weeks.
The more people who arm themselves the more shootings you get.
No arms=no retarded shootings. Pretty much the whole rest of the world understands this and laughs with disgust and disbelief at you as you keep killing each other, and continually worsen the problem with the retarded reaction that "if everyone had guns it would be okay", total insanity.
do you know how easy it is to get an illegal/stolen handgun? If you do any type of illegal substances, next time you buy, just think, in America it's that easy to get a gun...
Now, apply that to your logic, ban guns, in a place as big as America with it's population and it's freedoms, and ts criminals, and you are sheep to a slaughter.
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It's easier for me to get a gun and meth here in the US than it is to get real HGH. The fuck?
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It's easier for me to get a gun and meth here in the US than it is to get real HGH. The fuck?
Mrs. Frisby called, those rats at NIMH Research are getting out of hand.
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It's easier for me to get a gun and meth here in the US than it is to get real HGH. The fuck?
on HGH, this lifter would have been achieving a personal bench for ten reps squats on this sunday morning instead of dropping lead at little old ladies in church.
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No reports on who the shooter was yet. They don't know who the gunman was or at least have not released info.
Reports suggest the shooter was a 30-something white male.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/story/2012-08-05/shooting-sikh-temple-wisconsin/56809408/1 (http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/story/2012-08-05/shooting-sikh-temple-wisconsin/56809408/1)
Ven Boba Ri, one of the temple members, told the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel that the shooter was a white male in his 30s. Ri said the gunman was "not an insider'' and called the attack "pretty much a hate crime.''
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Reports suggest the shooter was a 30-something white male.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/story/2012-08-05/shooting-sikh-temple-wisconsin/56809408/1 (http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/story/2012-08-05/shooting-sikh-temple-wisconsin/56809408/1)
Ven Boba Ri, one of the temple members, told the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel that the shooter was a white male in his 30s. Ri said the gunman was "not an insider'' and called the attack "pretty much a hate crime.''
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/531288_10150937831376150_1473582987_n.jpg) I wonder if this guy has a doppleganger too.
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thank you sir.
I do what I can :D
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It's sad.
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people say it is awful and sad and all that, but underneath I truly wonder how many people dont really care about some Sikhs dying. Im just saying, I think that feeling is a lot more common that people let on.
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They're all just a bunch of "damn Iranians" to me!
Typical white trailer park trash response.
Are you another A*ryan claiming superior genetics?
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This is really sikh !
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people say it is awful and sad and all that, but underneath I truly wonder how many people dont really care about some Sikhs dying. Im just saying, I think that feeling is a lot more common that people let on.
You're certainly letting your feelings be known. You have something against Sikhs? Are they taking away your jobs, fucking your women, and excelling in education where you failed?
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What the fuck is going on a few of these threads here with all the hatred for Indians, Pakistanis, and Iranians?
Do the whites somehow feel more entitled to live i.e. U.S. - Australia?
Whether it be Indians, Chinese, or Pakistanis, they are damn sure to earn their keep through hard work and labour, while the typical white trash lives off of the welfare state.
At one time or another all of you were are immigrants, so get off you high horse and get a reality check bigots.
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You're certainly letting your feelings be known. You have something against Sikhs? Are they taking away your jobs, fucking your women, and excelling in education where you failed?
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What the fuck is going on a few of these threads here with all the hatred for Indians, Pakistanis, and Iranians?
Do the whites somehow feel more entitled to live i.e. U.S. - Australia?
Whether it be Indians, Chinese, or Pakistanis, they are damn sure to earn their keep through hard work and labour, while the typical white trash lives off of the welfare state.
At one time or another all of you were are immigrants, so get off you high horse and get a reality check bigots.
can you please point out where I said these are MY feelings?
I simply said I get the feeling more people think this way than let on. I could be completely wrong about this feeling, thats why its just a feeling.
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You're certainly letting your feelings be known. You have something against Sikhs? Are they taking away your jobs, fucking your women, and excelling in education where you failed?
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What the fuck is going on a few of these threads here with all the hatred for Indians, Pakistanis, and Iranians?
Do the whites somehow feel more entitled to live i.e. U.S. - Australia?
Whether it be Indians, Chinese, or Pakistanis, they are damn sure to earn their keep through hard work and labour, while the typical white trash lives off of the welfare state.
At one time or another all of you were are immigrants, so get off you high horse and get a reality check bigots.
I personally dont really care.
However I have a hard time caring when ANYONE dies thats not a friend or relative. People die. Meh.
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You're certainly letting your feelings be known. You have something against Sikhs? Are they taking away your jobs, fucking your women, and excelling in education where you failed?
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What the fuck is going on a few of these threads here with all the hatred for Indians, Pakistanis, and Iranians?
Do the whites somehoWhether it be Indians, Chinese, or Pakistanis, they are damn sure to earn their keep through hard work and labour, while the typical white trash lives off of w feel more entitled to live i.e. U.S. - Australia?
the welfare state.
At one time or another all of you were are immigrants, so get off you high horse and get a reality check bigots.
WORD
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I personally dont really care.
However I have a hard time caring when ANYONE dies thats not a friend or relative. People die. Meh.
I agree
I wouldnt expect anyone to care one bit if anyone from my family got shot in a mass shooting. Sure it would suck but why would anyone who doesnt know them care.
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This is sad....just sad.
I am so sick and tired of hearing about news like this.
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pyramid shit temple of peace
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The one thing that I do not understand is the ever returning argument that un-trained people with guns are supposed to be able to stop determined shooters in a situation of stress and/or limited vision (such as a dark movie theatre) rather than shooting bystanders.
Anybody who has done military service and learned how to handle different types of weapons can confirm that it is not that easy...
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The one thing that I do not understand is the ever returning argument that un-trained people with guns are supposed to be able to stop determined shooters in a situation of stress and/or limited vision (such as a dark movie theatre) rather than shooting bystanders.
Anybody who has done military service and learned how to handle different types of weapons can confirm that it is not that easy...
lookout chaps, we've got us one of those dem dere open minded, lefty liberal, commie fags i hear tell about
;D
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The one thing that I do not understand is the ever returning argument that un-trained people with guns are supposed to be able to stop determined shooters in a situation of stress and/or limited vision (such as a dark movie theatre) rather than shooting bystanders.
Anybody who has done military service and learned how to handle different types of weapons can confirm that it is not that easy...
Because hopefully, anyone with a concealed carry permit is responsible enough to have done some sort of training/course.
Besides, I'd take an armed civilian over a defenseless crowd any day of the week.
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I personally dont really care.
However I have a hard time caring when ANYONE dies thats not a friend or relative. People die. Meh.
This.
There are exactly 8 people on this planet that I REALLY care about, everyone else could literAlly drop dead and I wouldn't flinch.
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This.
There are exactly 8 people on this planet that I REALLY care about, everyone else could literAlly drop dead and I wouldn't flinch.
Are all those 8 people getbig members? :o :o
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Sikhs apparently dont care much for muslims.
.Besides dont they carry ceremonial knives at all times. It wouldve been interesting if the shooter had been brought down by some well placed knives
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This.
There are exactly 8 people on this planet that I REALLY care about, everyone else could literAlly drop dead and I wouldn't flinch.
this almost borders on psychotic behavior.
I understand that its harder for some people to feel the pain of others, but damn dude you say that shit like you are proud of it. Without going uberman on your ass, would you mind sharing whether you were brought up in a religious household and if you currently attend church?
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The one thing that I do not understand is the ever returning argument that un-trained people with guns are supposed to be able to stop determined shooters in a situation of stress and/or limited vision (such as a dark movie theatre) rather than shooting bystanders.
Anybody who has done military service and learned how to handle different types of weapons can confirm that it is not that easy...
That's not the argument. It's that people should be allowed to carry if they want to, but to carry they must complete a training program first. No one wants guns in the hands of people that don't know how to use them.
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I hope politicians don't do anything meaningful.
Hopefully, they continue to send their "thoughts and prayers" and cower in the corner from the NRA while hundreds of Americans continue to die.
That's freedom!
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Lets play,
GUESS THE RACE!
:D
:))
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probably a simpleton who's mistaken sikhs for muslims on account of their turbans ::)
could even be muslim or hindu people too. The Hindu and muslim have killed sikh in mass killing events back in india :(
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probably a simpleton who's mistaken sikhs for muslims on account of their turbans ::)
Exactly what I was thinking. Epic fail trying to kill Muslims and end up taking out Sihks.
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Lets play,
GUESS THE RACE!
:D
apparently the shooter was a white supremist
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Lets play,
GUESS THE RACE!
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Can't we play "GUESS THE COUNTRY?"
It's so much more easier.
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"the shooter was a white male, bald, with a heavy build. He was wearing a sleeveless T-shirt,"
I hope Kiwiol is ok?
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach%3Btopic=202740.0%3Battach=235996%3Bimage)
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i dont understand how a nation that prides itself on the right to bear arms has all these mass shootings
if everyone is carrying a gun why dont the people with guns shoot the person trying to do the mass shootings
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i dont understand how a nation that prides itself on the right to bear arms has all these mass shootings
if everyone is carrying a gun why dont the people with guns shoot the person trying to do the mass shootings
You should be the president of the world with mindblowing ideas like that
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Today's landing on the Mars is much more important event !.
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could even be muslim or hindu people too. The Hindu and muslim have killed sikh in mass killing events back in india :(
no, it can't, we all know is some whitie madman,, and also only in americana
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You know what this means. Those terrorist fucks are gonna come back at us 1000 fold.
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This.
There are exactly 8 people on this planet that I REALLY care about, everyone else could literAlly drop dead and I wouldn't flinch.
You wouldn't run into a burning building to save a child in the second floor window?
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This.
There are exactly 8 people on this planet that I REALLY care about, everyone else could literAlly drop dead and I wouldn't flinch.
You hate your extended family that much Groink? I have people that I have worked with for years, not counting friends, cousins, extended family etc.... I would be hurt if they died. We are human afterall.
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America of peace.
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Shooting of peace
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I hope the Iron is doing ok
(http://headblitz.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/IronSheik02-withfriends.jpg)
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America of peace.
lol. Ivan the terrible.
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America - Home of the Spree Killer - Land of the ignorant! Gotta love America - what a piece of shit country!
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3 shootings under the ombama watch .... War on terrorist Americans next
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America - Home of the Spree Killer - Land of the ignorant! Gotta love America - what a piece of shit country!
I will never agree with you on this. You still have savages running around in your "prison island"
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See, I dont blame the gun. If there were no guns, the guy could have thrown six vodka bottles/molotov cocktails into the place before he was tackled, and there woulda been at least 7 dead from burned alive in their Sunday best. You can never take away the ability to kill. Any of us could go to a crowded place with a kitchen knife and take down a dozen people before anyone got us to the floor.
At some point, more and more peopel will carry - and they'll start putting down these bad guys. Sucks taht it has to be a militant society like this, but what other solution is there?
Killing with a gun is much easier and more removed than stabbing with a knife, strangling etc. I also suggest it's easier than a molotov otherwise all these masacre guys in America would be using molotovs.
I'm from the UK and we don't shoot each other at the same rate because we have less guns. If everyone had a gun then every nutter who felt a bit pissed off could just go on a killing rampage, like Americans constantly do. And contrary to your analysis we're not molotoving the crap out of each other instead, or doing extra stabbings, we just commit less murders.
Misguided national pride leads you all to think you need to "protect your god-given constitutional right to defend your home" or whatever crap it is you all say, but in reality you're just dying by the thousands each year, whilst hilariously proclaiming the reason is NOT ENOUGH guns. Bwahahahahahahahahah
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Looks like it was a white supremacist who had a 9/11 tattoo
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Looks like it was an white supremacist Army Trained soldier who had a 9/11 tattoo
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Looks like it was a white supremacist who had a 9/11 tattoo
Exactly like I said. I racist fuck, goes and kills innocent muslims. That is only gonna cause the Taliban to have another 9/11 type event.
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Exactly like I said. I racist fuck, goes and kills innocent muslims. That is only gonna cause the Taliban to have another 9/11 type event.
Sikhs bro, Sikhs. Not Muslims.
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Exactly like I said. I racist fuck, goes and kills innocent muslims. That is only gonna cause the Taliban to have another 9/11 type event.
Not sure you'd find many muslims in a sikh temple, boss ::)
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Exactly like I said. I racist fuck, goes and kills innocent muslims. That is only gonna cause the Taliban to have another 9/11 type event.
You will learn about these things in second grade
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Sikhs bro, Sikhs. Not Muslims.
I have no idea of the difference. I was wrong.
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Wade's job was as a Hawk missile system repairman, and he then became a psychological operations specialist, defense official confirmed to ABC news.
???
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Not sure you'd find many muslims in a sikh temple, boss ::)
forgive my ignorance on the subject.
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Exactly like I said. I racist fuck, goes and kills innocent muslims. That is only gonna cause the Taliban to have another 9/11 type event.
They were sikh's not Muslims. Sikh's are from India - Sikh's hate Islam and Muslims about as much as Americans do.
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I have no idea of the difference. I was wrong.
Probably what happened with this dude tbh. Thought he was blasting Muslims and killed a bunch of dotheads by accident.
At least we know they probably wont go all jihad and start blowing up their kids in the name of Allah.
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They were sikh's not Muslims. Sikh's are from India - Sikh's hate Islam and Muslims about as much as Americans do.
That is sad. A dumb, racist to boot.
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Probably what happened with this dude tbh. Thought he was blasting Muslims and killed a bunch of dotheads by accident.
At least we know they probably wont go all jihad and start blowing up their kids in the name of Allah.
Thanks for the clarification. There goes my tech support >:(
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Sikhs are cool, they're supposed to carry ceremonial daggers to protected themselves and their religion at all times, if you insult sikhism be ready to get carved up.
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Sikhs are cool, they're supposed to carry ceremonial daggers to protected themselves and their religion at all times, if you insult sikhism be ready to get carved up.
Awesome.
To bad they dont carry ceremonial handguns, I think we'd see some interesting news headlines.
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Awesome.
To bad they dont carry ceremonial handguns, I think we'd see some interesting news headlines.
I bet some gallant Sikhs were felled on that day trying to defend themselves with their daggers. Too bad they brought knives to a gunfight.
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I bet some gallant Sikhs were felled on that day trying to defend themselves with their daggers. Too bad they brought knives to a gunfight.
Mad respect if so, better than the bunch of gaping vagina's trampling each other to escape the theater in Colorado.
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(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/531288_10150937831376150_1473582987_n.jpg) I wonder if this guy has a doppleganger too.
Definitely looks like a different person. Same thing with Brevik - apparently he also had plastic surgery. Smells fishy to me. And now this shooter is a "White Supremacist". Boy, the corrupt liberal media will run with this.
This ties in perfectly with their homeland security propaganda portraying whites as the terrorists / criminals.
So this is how they operate: They create a false flag 911 event to establish the threat of terrorism in the minds of the population. Then as time goes on everyone becomes a potential terrorist. These people are fucking morons coming up with such a stupid plan. Anyone with half a brain can see through their childish games.
Celente was right again. Expect more false flag events in the near future, all designed to take away more of your rights and take your mind off the collapse of the West.
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Yes, Sikhs and Musims are different, but that ignorant skinhead did not know the difference. In fact, the news article said he was targeting men with turbans. Stupid bastard probably thought they were muslims (wouldnt have made it right either way).
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Yes, Sikhs and Musims are different, but that ignorant skinhead did not know the difference. In fact, the news article said he was targeting men with turbans. Stupid bastard probably thought they were muslims (wouldnt have made it right either way).
Yeah, stupid dumb Nazi fuck, if only he knew Sikhs hated Muslims as much as him!
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Yeah, stupid dumb Nazi fuck, if only he knew Sikhs hated Muslims as much as him!
Either way, the motivation behind the attack was for obvious revenge on 9/11 even though it wasnt Sikhs. Sikhs can hate him all they want, his motivation was entirely misguided.
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Either way, the motivation behind the attack was for obvious revenge on 9/11 even though it wasnt Sikhs. Sikhs can hate him all they want, his motivation was entirely misguided.
It just goes to show that it takes a moron to commit an atrocity such as this.
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Either way, the motivation behind the attack was for obvious revenge on 9/11 even though it wasnt Sikhs. Sikhs can hate him all they want, his motivation was entirely misguided.
I thought I saw something saying his was former military or something... but I can't imagine anyone in the military being unable to tell the difference between a muslim and a dothead.
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I thought I saw something saying his was former military or something... but I can't imagine anyone in the military being unable to tell the difference between a muslim and a dothead.
Supposedly he had a 9/11 tattoo.
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picture of the savage filth
(http://www.theblaze.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/wade-michael-page.jpeg)
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Gunman named in US Sikh temple shooting
Police have identified former veteran Wade Michael Page as the gunman, who killed six worshipers at a Sikh temple in the US state of Wisonsin.
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This is almost too cliche to be real.
Lol @ epic white trash.
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Thats not Chaos.
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Why do these guys always have three names?
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It amuses me that 99 times out of 100, you can guess the race just by the way the crime was committed.
Lone gunman blows away a bunch of people? Probably white.
Creepy Child Molester? Probably white.
Psychotic, methodical serial killer? Probably white.
Any combination of rape, murder, and torture over something stupid? Probably black
Stabbing? Probably mexican
etc etc etc
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I thought I saw something saying his was former military or something... but I can't imagine anyone in the military being unable to tell the difference between a muslim and a dothead.
I briefly read the paper and did not see anything about him being former military. However, I could be entirely wrong.
Okay, it looks like he was a vet!
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Why do these guys always have three names?
The mother often doesn't know if the kid is her brother's or father's.
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It amuses me that 99 times out of 100, you can guess the race just by the way the crime was committed.
Lone gunman blows away a bunch of people? Probably white.
Creepy Child Molester? Probably white.
Psychotic, methodical serial killer? Probably white.
Any combination of rape, murder, and torture over something stupid? Probably black
Stabbing? Probably mexican
etc etc etc
what about that korean kid who killed thirty people in 2007 in some university.
and he had three names, too.
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what about that korean kid who killed thirty people in 2007 in some university.
and he had three names, too.
I wasn't really sure where to go with the Asians. I figure there was a video game joke in there somewhere, I just wasn't witty enough to put together a good one.
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It amuses me that 99 times out of 100, you can guess the race just by the way the crime was committed.
Lone gunman blows away a bunch of people? Probably white.
Creepy Child Molester? Probably white.
Psychotic, methodical serial killer? Probably white.
Any combination of rape, murder, and torture over something stupid? Probably black
Stabbing? Probably mexican
etc etc etc
Lol, brutal generalization. We all have our lapses Shock.
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Lol, brutal generalization. We all have our lapses Shock.
Seriously man, start playing "guess the race" whenever you hear of violent crimes.
Ill place a bet that you can guess right up to 90% of the time.
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I thought the Washington sniper was gonna be a white guy when that was going down.
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I thought the Washington sniper was gonna be a white guy when that was going down.
True, how many snipers are black to begin with?
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This.
There are exactly 8 people on this planet that I REALLY care about, everyone else could literAlly drop dead and I wouldn't flinch.
YOU ARE A CLASS ACT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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(http://media.jrn.com/images/185*252/28701031-mjs_wade_michael_page.jpg)
Wade Michael Page
FBI: Seeking second "person of interest" in Oak Creek Sikh temple shooting
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A man with a 9/11 tattoo looks at his cell phone Sunday after taking video of media, friends and relatives gathered by police in a parking lot near the Sikh temple in Oak Creek. Authorities are attempting to identify the man, who they described as "a person of interest."
The shooter who opened fire before worship services Sunday at the Sikh Temple of Wisconsin in Oak Creek and killed six people before he was killed by police is Wade Michael Page, a 40-year-old Army veteran, U.S. Attorney James A. Santelle said Monday.
He said officials believe he purchased the 9mm handgun legally in Wisconsin.
At a news conference at 10 a.m., authorities said they were attempting to identify another person, a white male, who they described as "a person of interest."
A man matching the photo officials showed was seen by Journal Sentinel reporters at the scene of the temple Sunday, possibly taking video of what was going on. Anyone with information on the man is asked to call 1-800-CALL-FBI.
Page, 40, served in the military approximately between 1992 and 1998, Santelle said.
Other sources familiar with the shooting investigation said Wade was assigned to psychological operations, or PsyOps.
At the news briefing in Oak Creek, officials identified the Oak Creek police officer who was shot when he responded to the temple as Lt. Brian Murphy, 51, an experienced member of the department's tactical unit.
Murphy was a finalist for the Oak Creek police chief post in 2010 and has 21 years with the department
Satwant Singh Kaleka, 65, the temple president, was killed Sunday after attempting to tackle the gunman.
Oak Creek Police identified the other victims Monday as Sita Singh, 41; Ranjit Singh, 49; Prakash Singh, 39; Paramjit Kaur, 41; and Suveg Singh, 84.
Oak Creek Police Chief John Edwards said during the news conference that Murphy was the first officer on the scene and came upon a victim in the temple parking lot. As Murphy was going to assist the victim, who is among the dead, he was ambushed by the gunman. Murphy was shot eight to nine times at "very close range" with a handgun, one of the shots striking his neck area, Edwards said.
Other officers arriving on the scene heard shots but did not know Murphy had been wounded, Edwards said. They saw the gunman, ordered him to drop his weapon and put his hands up, but he did not, Edwards said.
The gunman fired at officers and the bullets struck squad cars. At that point, an officer with a rifle shot and killed the suspect, Edwards said. He did not identify that officer, saying that a separate investigation was being conducted as a result of the officer-involved shooting. The Milwaukee County District Attorney's Office and the Milwaukee Police Department are working on that investigation.
Murphy is in critical condition but is expected to survive, Edwards said.
In addition to Murphy, three others who were at the temple were injured. Two are in a hospital in critical condition. The third was treated and released, Edwards said.
In remarks before Edwards spoke, Mayor Steve Scaffidi said, there is "no doubt in my mind the heroic actions of our police officers prevented a greater tragedy."
Group says it has tracked Page for years
The Southern Poverty Law Center, a group that has studied hate crimes for decades, reported Monday that Page was a frustrated neo-Nazi who had been the leader of a racist white-power band known as End Apathy.
Heidi Beirich, director of the center's intelligence project, said her group had been tracking Page since 2000, when he tried to purchase goods from the National Alliance, a well-known hate group.
The National Alliance was led by William Pierce, who was the author of "The Turner Diaries." The book depicts a violent revolution in the United States leading to an overthrow of the federal government and, ultimately, a race war. Parts of the book were found in Timothy McVeigh's getaway car after the bombing of the federal building Oklahoma City in 1995.
Beirich said there was "no question" Page was an ardent follower and believer in the white supremacist movement. She said her center had evidence that he attended "hate events" around the country.
"He was involved in the scene," she said.
Pierce is dead, and Beirich said the National Alliance is no longer considered to be an influential group.
Also on Monday, a volunteer human-rights group called Responsible for Equality And Liberty (R.E.A.L.) found links between Page, his band and a white supremacist website called Stormfront.
Jeffrey Imm, who heads R.E.A.L., said in an interview Monday that someone based in Milwaukee using the name "End Apathy" began posting on the website in February 2008. Additionally, appearances by Page's band were promoted on the Stormfront site, including a white supremacist gathering in March 2012 in Richmond, Va.
Here is a screen capture of the "End Apathy" post. And here is a post on Stormfront promoting the band's appearance.
(http://www.realcourage.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/end-apathy-stormfront-march-2012.jpg)
Santelle, the U.S. Attorney for the Eastern District of Wisconsin, said he believed Page left the Army under a general discharge, but wasn't sure what that indicated about his service.
Officials at the Army's national records center in St. Louis said the FBI took Page's military records Sunday night.
Wade has ties to Colorado and North Carolina, Santelle said, but investigators are not certain what brought him to the Milwaukee area.
It's unclear how long he was in Wisconsin before he began renting a duplex in the 3700 block of E. Holmes Ave. in Cudahy starting in July.
Santelle said he didn't believe Wade had a criminal record. He added that investigators are still tracing the history of the 9mm handgun Wade used. But Santelle said that he thought it had been purchased legally in Wisconsin.
The gun used in the temple shooting has been traced by the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, said Tom Ahern, spokesman for the agency. Under an urgent trace request, the ATF has determined the original buyer of the weapon. Ahern said it is up to Oak Creek police to release information on the gun purchase.
At the news conference, ATF special agent in charge Bernard Zapor said of the gun, "We know of its origin. We know where it came from," and "how it ended up in the hands of this killer."
But other than to say it was a 9mm handgun and that a number of magazines were found at the scene, Zapor would not disclose anything else about the gun.
However, sources familiar with the investigation said Page bought the gun at Shooters Shop, at S. 84th St. and W. Arthur Ave., in West Allis.
The gun was purchased July 28 and picked up July 30, less than a week before the shooting.
Page received a general discharge from the Army, meaning that he could legally buy a firearm. Had he received a dishonorable discharge, he would have been prohibited from purchasing the weapon.
Shooters Shop owner Kevin Nugent said Monday federal agents had not visited him on the purchase and he could not confirm that Page bought the gun at his store.
Law enforcement officials have been investigating the Cudahy duplex where Page lived. The block on E. Holmes Ave. was cordoned off for a time Sunday night as officials investigated inside, and residents were evacuated from their homes.
The officers came out of the duplex around midnight, carrying large items.
Edwards, the Oak Creek police chief, said investigators carefully searched the house because they were concerned it might be booby-trapped.
At the Monday news conference, FBI Special Agent in Charge Teresa Carlson said investigators were able to safely enter the residence. She provided no details of what they found.
She said there was no indication the suspect was capable of such violence.
But Carlson said investigators were trying to find Page's family and associates to speak with them, although she stated there was no reason to believe anyone else was associated with the shooting.
She also said the FBI was looking at Page's possible ties to white supremacist groups, but she noted there was no active investigation of Page until Sunday.
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Page described as quiet, "not a friendly guy"
Page is believed to have worked as a truck driver with Granger, Iowa-based Barr-Nunn Transportation, from about April 2006 to August 2010 while living in Fayetteville, N.C. An employee at the company said he left "involuntarily" but declined to elaborate.
Records from the Cumberland County, N.C., Sheriff's Department show Page was issued five permits to purchase pistols in May of 2008.
He was described at the time as 5-10, 210 pounds with brown hair and brown eyes. He was single and had a scar on his stomach and tattoos, including lettering on his hands, a Celtic knot on his back and fire on his leg.
The only criminal contact the department had on Page was a charge of writing a worthless check in October 1997.
In Cudahy, Amber Young, 14, said she saw a man walking a dog, a black Labrador, on several occasions near the house that was searched and that the man, who she believed lived in the house, had a 9/11 tattoo on his upper right arm.
"He was walking his dog and it was right there," she said pointing to her own upper right arm.
Carlson of the FBI told the Journal Sentinel that there is no 9-11 tattoo on Page's body. Several national news organizations reported Sunday that the shooter had such a tattoo.
It is unclear who the man Amber Young saw was. The man the FBI identified as a "person of interest" does have a 9/11 tattoo on his arm.
Before moving to the Cudahy address, Page lived for a time earlier this year in South Milwaukee.
David Brown, 62, a neighbor who lived in the same South Milwaukee apartment building, said Page was a recluse. He was "not a friendly guy," he said. "You'd have more fun with a camel."
"He was very quiet. You'd say hi and he'd kind of 'uh.' It was like he didn't care if you were talking or not."
Brown saw Page driving a plain white delivery truck several times. Page lived in apartment No. 5 with his girlfriend, Misty, who was going to the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee and who has an autistic son, and whose father helped out with child care and car maintenance.
Page liked to play music at odd hours of the night and work out in the basement with free weights.
Brown saw him there when he went to do laundry. "I never saw him carry a gun," said Brown, a former navy officer who is retired from working in aviation electronics.
Page and his girlfriend moved out about four or five months ago.
"He didn't seem mean. It was kind of like he was angry at the world. But I'm not a psychiatrist," Brown said.
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Killing with a gun is much easier and more removed than stabbing with a knife, strangling etc. I also suggest it's easier than a molotov otherwise all these masacre guys in America would be using molotovs.
I'm from the UK and we don't shoot each other at the same rate because we have less guns. If everyone had a gun then every nutter who felt a bit pissed off could just go on a killing rampage, like Americans constantly do. And contrary to your analysis we're not molotoving the crap out of each other instead, or doing extra stabbings, we just commit less murders.
Misguided national pride leads you all to think you need to "protect your god-given constitutional right to defend your home" or whatever crap it is you all say, but in reality you're just dying by the thousands each year, whilst hilariously proclaiming the reason is NOT ENOUGH guns. Bwahahahahahahahahah
;)
Ironically,
firearm use in
crimes in the UK
has doubled in the
decade since
handguns were
banned
From The Times
August 24, 2007
Senior police officers have been warning for several months that a growing number of teenagers in big cities are becoming involved in gun crime.
The age of victims and suspects has fallen over the past three years as the availability of firearms in some cities has risen. Liverpool and Manchester are the cities where illegal guns are most readily available, with criminals claiming that some weapons are being smuggled from Ireland. Sawn-off shotguns are now being sold for as little as Ŗ50, and handguns for Ŗ150.
Despite a ban on handguns introduced in 1997 after 16 children and their teacher were shot dead in the Dunblane massacre the previous year, their use in crimes has almost doubled to reach 4,671 in 2005-06. Official figures show that although Britain has some of the toughest anti-gun laws in the world, firearm use in crime has risen steadily. This year eight young people have been killed in gun attacks: six in London and one each in Manchester and Liverpool.
Illegal firearms have become increasingly accessible to younger offenders who appear more likely to use these firearms recklessly, a report on gun crime commissioned by the Home Office cautioned last year.
The research supports warnings from police chiefs in Merseyside and London about the spread of gun use in gangs and among teenagers.
Bernard Hogan-Howe, the Chief Constable of Merseyside, said this year that although gun crime in the area had fallen there had been an increase in the number of teenagers involved in firearms crimes.
Figures from the Metropolitan Police show that the average age of gun crime victims in London fell from 24 to 19 between 2004-06 and that there was a similar trend among suspects charged in connection with shootings.
Mr Hogan-Howe said that youths were being protected by a wall of silence, and he demanded a new law to compel the public to give information about gun crime. He said that action must be taken to break down the power base of families involved in gun crime. Families who do nothing to stop their childrens involvement in gun crime put society at risk and could find themselves identifying their child in the morgue, he said.
The Home Office research highlighted how guns were an integral part of a gang culture in which guns were used to deal with disputes. In the context of firearm ownership, even quite trivial disputes may result in shootings as the presence of guns elevates threat levels and the so-called shoot or be shot scenario precipitates pre-emptive violence, the study said.
Policies to help to deal with the problem were considered at a scheduled No 10 summit yesterday, chaired by Gordon Brown and attended by Jacqui Smith, the Home Secretary, Beverley Hughes, the Childrens Minister, Lord Hunt, the Justice Minister, as well as police chiefs and local government leaders.
It was the first of a series of meetings to tackle the issue. Mandatory minimum jail sentences for carrying knives and requiring people to give information if they are aware that people have illegal weapons are among the ideas under discussion. Mrs Smith has asked the Serious Organised Crime Agency to look atways to curb the importation of illegal weapons.
After the 90-minute meeting, the Prime Minister said: Make no mistake about this the people responsible will be tracked down, they will be arrested and they will be punished. He said that the Home Office would be earmarking ten areas for an intensive campaign against gun and knife crime. The areas will be announced next week.
Mr Brown added that families would be offered greater support. The vast majority of young people are decent and law-abiding. They too want to feel safe and secure on our streets. Where theres a need for early intervention, we will work very intensively with those families so that young people are deterred from going into gangs and guns and knife crime, he said.
Mrs Smith has outlined a range of measures, including the increased use of Acceptable Behaviour Contracts and a crackdown on the sale of alcohol to under-age children. The Government has issued guidance to police and local authorities on how to use the contracts written pledges to improve behaviour effectively.
David Cameron said that social breakdown would be the central theme of the Conservative election manifesto. Sir Menzies Campbell, leader of the Liberal Democrats, called for a change of atmosphere in communities with gang violence, but said that there was no simple solution.
A year in Merseyside
552
gun crime incidents in 2005-06
8
murders
17
attempted murders
Source: Merseyside Police Authority
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Death spirals...Not just copycats, but it's "in the air", people are feeling desperate---whether it be jobs, minorities, or imaginary "boogeymen" (Obama, the government, the 4 horsemen, Gumby, Kobe Bryant vs Lebron,
the woman with the big booty won't talk to him, nobody listens, etc)
America is going thru something right now. The bigger problem is this, instead of acknowledging this, the politicians will use it a weapon to crack down on the American public---but not the criminals.
Agree.
Poor Sikhs.
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Either way, the motivation behind the attack was for obvious revenge on 9/11 even though it wasnt Sikhs. Sikhs can hate him all they want, his motivation was entirely misguided.
The funny part is that the Sikhs won't... They will not even talk about it in terms of race... Every white person discussing it will, but they will not.
Pay attention on this one... It will be all white people.
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It amuses me that 99 times out of 100, you can guess the race just by the way the crime was committed.
Lone gunman blows away a bunch of people? Probably white.
Creepy Child Molester? Probably white.
Psychotic, methodical serial killer? Probably white.
Any combination of rape, murder, and torture over something stupid? Probably black
Stabbing? Probably mexican
etc etc etc
What about the two shootings in Grand Rapids and Connecticut in the past two years?? In both instances the victims were all white and the shooter black. And their tally was higher than this shooter. If you forgot I can provide a link for you.
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What about the two shootings in Grand Rapids and Connecticut in the past two years?? In both instances the victims were all white and the shooter black. And their tally was higher than this shooter. If you forgot I can provide a link for you.
Yes, I understand this, usually the pre-meditated killers, the ones that stock up ammo and go on a rampage, are white.
Random killings tend to be committed by black people.
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The funny part is that the Sikhs won't... They will not even talk about it in terms of race... Every white person discussing it will, but they will not.
Pay attention on this one... It will be all white people.
to be honest on the news here tonight they interviewed Sikhs who specifically talked about it in terms of race
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YOU ARE A CLASS ACT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I have plenty of class, just more honest than most.
Upon further review, my number is low, I wasn't taking into account extended family and friends, I do care about those people a great deal. I was thinking my immediate circle that i see every day.
That being said, i shed no tears for the people in Colorado, or these Sikhs...i didn't know them, even casually. does it suck that innocent people had their lives ended for no reason? of course. but did i cry over it, or am i distraught ?....fuck no. Horrible shit happens every day on this fucked up planet. if i was going to tie myself in knots every time someone shitty happened, i would be a basket case.
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I have plenty of class, just more honest than most.
Upon further review, my number is low, I wasn't taking into account extended family and friends, I do care about those people a great deal. I was thinking my immediate circle that i see every day.
That being said, i shed no tears for the people in Colorado, or these Sikhs...i didn't know them, even casually. does it suck that innocent people had their lives ended for no reason? of course. but did i cry over it, or am i distraught ?....fuck no. Horrible shit happens every day on this fucked up planet. if i was going to tie myself in knots every time someone shitty happened, i would be a basket case.
Groink, youre speaking about two different things. Youre correct, most people did not cry over it, nor lose sleep. I did not cry over the shootings, nor lose sleep. However, it is horrible that it happened. However, this is much different than what you previously said about not giving a fuck. Clearly you give a fuck if innocent people die for no reason. What sane person wouldnt. However, no one is expecting you to lose 2 weeks sleep over it either.
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This.
There are exactly 8 people on this planet that I REALLY care about, everyone else could literAlly drop dead and I wouldn't flinch.
Exactly 8 uh - not 7, not 9?
When others get shot, killed, maimed, we all feel the pain and misery of those involved, whether they be blue, white, or black. They all bleed like you and me.
Get the f* out of here with your self serving comments.
You try to make every thread about yourself.
Your time for gratitude will come surely!
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pyramid shit temple church of peace
next time for all we know some lunatic could be doing this at
pyramid shit Church of peace
Don't let your bigotry get in the way of logic and altruism.
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u know that u cant bring them back , do u ? why all the talking?
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Squadfather?
Page lived in apartment No. 5 with his girlfriend, Misty, who was going to the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee and who has an autistic son, and whose father helped out with child care and car maintenance.
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I have plenty of class, just more honest than most.
Upon further review, my number is low, I wasn't taking into account extended family and friends, I do care about those people a great deal. I was thinking my immediate circle that i see every day.
That being said, i shed no tears for the people in Colorado, or these Sikhs...i didn't know them, even casually. does it suck that innocent people had their lives ended for no reason? of course. but did i cry over it, or am i distraught ?....fuck no. Horrible shit happens every day on this fucked up planet. if i was going to tie myself in knots every time someone shitty happened, i would be a basket case.
Bro not picking a fight with you but just being honest the way you are. The definition of scum, in fact the lowest form of scum on the entire planet, worst then rapounds, worse then murderers, worse then anything imaginable and the lowest class of humans, in other words utter trash is a human being that lacks empathy, if you can sit here typing on getbig and say to all of us that a dozen innocent children aged between 2-6 can get killed, strangled, drowned and or stabbed to death in front of you and you wouldn't give 2 shits, BROTHER YOU ARE TRASH, if this is the case.
like I said nothing personal, just saying.
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to be honest on the news here tonight they interviewed Sikhs who specifically talked about it in terms of race
I'd like to see that clip because I haven't seen that at all.
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Exactly 8 uh - not 7, not 9?
When others get shot, killed, maimed, we all feel the pain and misery of those involved, whether they be blue, white, or black. They all bleed like you and me.
Get the f* out of here with your self serving comments.
You try to make every thread about yourself.
Your time for gratitude will come surely!
Bull fucking shit you bleeding heart bitch. Get the fuck out with your "Look at me pretend to care about this, even though It has absolutely nothing to do with me in any way."
You didn't feel a goddamn thing so stop trying to pretend like you did. Yeah, it sucks this happened, but I don't see you crying like a bitch every time someone gets hit by a car? Every time an old man dies? Every time someone loses their mother?
No, you don't, no one does, so shut the fuck up already. People die. Thats life.
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Ironically,
firearm use in
crimes in the UK
has doubled in the
decade since
handguns were
banned
From The Times
August 24, 2007
Senior police officers have been warning for several months that a growing number of teenagers in big cities are becoming involved in gun crime.
The age of victims and suspects has fallen over the past three years as the availability of firearms in some cities has risen. Liverpool and Manchester are the cities where illegal guns are most readily available, with criminals claiming that some weapons are being smuggled from Ireland. Sawn-off shotguns are now being sold for as little as £50, and handguns for £150.
Despite a ban on handguns introduced in 1997 after 16 children and their teacher were shot dead in the Dunblane massacre the previous year, their use in crimes has almost doubled to reach 4,671 in 2005-06. Official figures show that although Britain has some of the toughest anti-gun laws in the world, firearm use in crime has risen steadily. This year eight young people have been killed in gun attacks: six in London and one each in Manchester and Liverpool.
“Illegal firearms have become increasingly accessible to younger offenders who appear more likely to use these firearms recklessly,” a report on gun crime commissioned by the Home Office cautioned last year.
The research supports warnings from police chiefs in Merseyside and London about the spread of gun use in gangs and among teenagers.
Bernard Hogan-Howe, the Chief Constable of Merseyside, said this year that although gun crime in the area had fallen there had been an increase in the number of teenagers involved in firearms crimes.
Figures from the Metropolitan Police show that the average age of gun crime victims in London fell from 24 to 19 between 2004-06 and that there was a similar trend among suspects charged in connection with shootings.
Mr Hogan-Howe said that youths were being protected by a wall of silence, and he demanded a new law to compel the public to give information about gun crime. He said that action must be taken to break down the power base of families involved in gun crime. “Families who do nothing to stop their children’s involvement in gun crime put society at risk and could find themselves identifying their child in the morgue,” he said.
The Home Office research highlighted how guns were an integral part of a gang culture in which guns were used to deal with disputes. “In the context of firearm ownership, even quite trivial disputes may result in shootings as the presence of guns elevates threat levels and the so-called ‘shoot or be shot’ scenario precipitates pre-emptive violence,” the study said.
Policies to help to deal with the problem were considered at a scheduled No 10 summit yesterday, chaired by Gordon Brown and attended by Jacqui Smith, the Home Secretary, Beverley Hughes, the Children’s Minister, Lord Hunt, the Justice Minister, as well as police chiefs and local government leaders.
It was the first of a series of meetings to tackle the issue. Mandatory minimum jail sentences for carrying knives and requiring people to give information if they are aware that people have illegal weapons are among the ideas under discussion. Mrs Smith has asked the Serious Organised Crime Agency to look atways to curb the importation of illegal weapons.
After the 90-minute meeting, the Prime Minister said: “Make no mistake about this — the people responsible will be tracked down, they will be arrested and they will be punished.” He said that the Home Office would be earmarking ten areas for an intensive campaign against gun and knife crime. The areas will be announced next week.
Mr Brown added that families would be offered greater support. “The vast majority of young people are decent and law-abiding. They too want to feel safe and secure on our streets. Where there’s a need for early intervention, we will work very intensively with those families so that young people are deterred from going into gangs and guns and knife crime,” he said.
Mrs Smith has outlined a range of measures, including the increased use of Acceptable Behaviour Contracts and a crackdown on the sale of alcohol to under-age children. The Government has issued guidance to police and local authorities on how to use the contracts — written pledges to improve behaviour — effectively.
David Cameron said that social breakdown would be the central theme of the Conservative election manifesto. Sir Menzies Campbell, leader of the Liberal Democrats, called for a “change of atmosphere” in communities with gang violence, but said that there was “no simple solution”.
A year in Merseyside
552
gun crime incidents in 2005-06
8
murders
17
attempted murders
Source: Merseyside Police Authority
And it's still about 100 times lower than in your country. ;)
Merseyside Police Authority... LOL. Merseyside is the most violent region in the UK. And each department publishes its own figures, which are often in conflict with some other department's figures.
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muslims, skihks, americans, canadians.. same garbage
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It amuses me that 99 times out of 100, you can guess the race just by the way the crime was committed.
Lone gunman blows away a bunch of people? Probably white.
Creepy Child Molester? Probably white.
Psychotic, methodical serial killer? Probably white.
Any combination of rape, murder, and torture over something stupid? Probably black
Stabbing? Probably mexican
etc etc etc
Yep this little game works. People are very predictable in most regards.
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And it's still about 100 times lower than in your country. ;)
Merseyside Police Authority... LOL. Merseyside is the most violent region in the UK. And each department publishes its own figures, which are often in conflict with some other department's figures.
No shit and my country and 10 times the size of yours obviously it's gonna be higher
Comparing crime rates between America and Britain is fundamentally flawed. In America,
a gun crime is recorded as a gun crime. In Britain, a crime is only recorded when there is a final
disposition (a conviction). All unsolved gun crimes in Britain are not reported as gun crimes,
grossly undercounting the amount of gun crime there.
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To make matters worse, British law
enforcement has been exposed for falsifying criminal reports to create falsely lower crime
figures, in part to preserve tourism.
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UK is violent crime capital of Europe
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/5712573/UK-is-violent-crime-capital-of-Europe.html
It means there are over 2,000 crimes recorded per 100,000 population in the UK, making it the most violent place in Europe.
Austria is second, with a rate of 1,677 per 100,000 people, followed by Sweden, Belgium, Finland and Holland.
By comparison, America has an estimated rate of 466 violent crimes per 100,000 population.
2000-vs-466 ;)
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No shit and my country and 10 times the size of yours obviously it's gonna be higher
Comparing crime rates between America and Britain is fundamentally flawed. In America,
a gun crime is recorded as a gun crime. In Britain, a crime is only recorded when there is a final
disposition (a conviction). All unsolved gun crimes in Britain are not reported as gun crimes,
grossly undercounting the amount of gun crime there.
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To make matters worse, British law
enforcement has been exposed for falsifying criminal reports to create falsely lower crime
figures, in part to preserve tourism.
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UK is violent crime capital of Europe
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/5712573/UK-is-violent-crime-capital-of-Europe.html
It means there are over 2,000 crimes recorded per 100,000 population in the UK, making it the most violent place in Europe.
Austria is second, with a rate of 1,677 per 100,000 people, followed by Sweden, Belgium, Finland and Holland.
By comparison, America has an estimated rate of 466 violent crimes per 100,000 population.
2000-vs-466 ;)
mwahahha, we must have a colorado type incident every day here, then! By the way are these 2000 all gun crimes ? :)
keep googling stuff sweetheart, if it makes you feel you know somethign about life here ;)
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mwahahha, we must have a colorado type incident every day here, then! By the way are these 2000 all gun crimes ? :)
keep googling stuff sweetheart, if it makes you feel you know somethign about life here ;)
Facts aren't your friend ;)
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Facts aren't your friend ;)
Lame
Gun crime figures < general crime figures
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Bull fucking shit you bleeding heart bitch. Get the fuck out with your "Look at me pretend to care about this, even though It has absolutely nothing to do with me in any way."
You didn't feel a goddamn thing so stop trying to pretend like you did. Yeah, it sucks this happened, but I don't see you crying like a bitch every time someone gets hit by a car? Every time an old man dies? Every time someone loses their mother?
No, you don't, no one does, so shut the fuck up already. People die. Thats life.
Thank you.
am i happy these people got killed? of course not, that's terrible. But do i REALLY care....? not so much.
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I reacted like i would imagine most people did....
"Did you hear about what happened in Colorado"
"yeah...that's terrible, some sick people in this world."
" i know man, that is fucked"....
"so what are you doing later?"
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"But do i REALLY care....? not so much"- zero empathy, stop juicing and be a human , u can
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Lame
Gun crime figures < general crime figures
I never claimed the UK was just as bad in gun crimes compared to the U.S obviously they wouldn't be my original point was gun bans don't solve gun violence problems
Despite a ban on handguns introduced in 1997 after 16 children and their teacher were shot dead in the Dunblane massacre the previous year, their use in crimes has almost doubled to reach 4,671 in 2005-06.
The U.K is actually more violent than the U.S despite what the Brits on here type , obviously we're gonna have more gun crime because we have more fire arms and a much higher population.
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"But do i REALLY care....? not so much"- zero empathy, stop juicing and be a human , u can
I'm a perfectly functional human. and apparently more honest than most ;)
do you get upset over the daily atrocities committed in third world countries that are far worse than this ? or do you only care when Americans get killed ?
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I never claimed the UK was just as bad in gun crimes compared to the U.S obviously they wouldn't be my original point was gun bans don't solve gun violence problems
Despite a ban on handguns introduced in 1997 after 16 children and their teacher were shot dead in the Dunblane massacre the previous year, their use in crimes has almost doubled to reach 4,671 in 2005-06.
The U.K is actually more violent than the U.S despite what the Brits on here type , obviously we're gonna have more gun crime because we have more fire arms and a much higher population.
Crime does not always mean violent crime. You'd admit this if you weren't just fanning your prejudices as you usually do.
Most crime (the vast majority) in the Uk is the sneaky variety. Day time burglaries. When people are at work.
Claiming that the UK is more violent than the U.S. is downright fucking ignorant and I'd expect nothing less from someone who's never been out of their country.
Bravo.
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I'm a perfectly functional human. and apparently more honest than most ;)
do you get upset over the daily atrocities committed in third world countries that are far worse than this ? or do you only care when Americans get killed ?
Reminds me of Tom Cruise in Collateral
Vincent: Okay, look, here's the deal. Man, you were gonna drive me around tonight, never be the wiser, but El Gordo got in front of a window, did his high dive, we're into Plan B. Still breathing? Now we gotta make the best of it, improvise, adapt to the environment, Darwin, shit happens, I Ching, whatever man, we gotta roll with it.
Max: I Ching? What are you talking about, man? You threw a man out of a window.
Vincent: I didn't throw him. He fell.
Max: Well what did he do to you?
Vincent: What?
Max: What did he do to you?
Vincent: Nothing. I only met him tonight.
Max: You just met him once and you killed him like that?
Vincent: What? I should only kill people after I get to know them? Max, six billion people on the planet, you're getting bent out of shape cause of one fat guy.
Max: Well, who was he?
Vincent: What do you care? Have you ever heard of Rwanda?
Max: Yes, I know Rwanda.
Vincent: Well, tens of thousands killed before sundown. Nobody's killed people that fast since Nagasaki and Hiroshima. Did you bat an eye, Max?
Max: What?
Vincent: Did you join Amnesty International, Oxfam, Save the Whales, Greenpeace, or something? No. I off one fat Angelino and you throw a hissy fit.
Max: Man, I don't know any Rwandans.
Vincent: You don't know the guy in the trunk, either.
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Crime does not always mean violent crime. You'd admit this if you weren't just fanning your prejudices as you usually do.
Most crime (the vast majority) in the Uk is the sneaky variety. Day time burglaries. When people are at work.
Claiming that the UK is more violent than the U.S. is downright fucking ignorant and I'd expect nothing less from someone who's never been out of their country.
Bravo.
Awwwwww still don't like the facts huh? I didn't claim it dummy they did , did you follow the link? you know from the UK site? The Telegraph http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/5712573/UK-is-violent-crime-capital-of-Europe.html
read it again the UK has more violent crime per 100K than America deny all you want it doesn't change a thing and don't assume I've never been out of my country ;)
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Awwwwww still don't like the facts huh? I didn't claim it dummy they did , did you follow the link? you know from the UK site? The Telegraph http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/5712573/UK-is-violent-crime-capital-of-Europe.html
read it again the UK has more violent crime per 100K than America ;)
Damn, I must be living in Battlefield England, then. Can't believe how I never caught wind of what's going on around me ::). Btw, 73,6% of statistics are made up. (http://articles.businessinsider.com/2010-02-17/strategy/30008803_1_market-forecasts-analysis-data-projections) Including this one ;)
Let me find some statistics that prove my point
oh wait why bother ;)
and don't assume I've never been out of my country
correction: you've never "lived" outside your country.
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I'm a perfectly functional human. and apparently more honest than most ;)
do you get upset over the daily atrocities committed in third world countries that are far worse than this ? or do you only care when Americans get killed ?
"But do i REALLY care....? not so much".. Īve just following orders, if i didnt kill 3-400 hundreds children per day i would be executed"-any war criminal, , , yes, youre a perfectly functional human, ,, u disgusting piece of thrash, u call yourself a father,, u will not die a quiet death, ,, have u seen batman? go with all your family, try to stay in first seats ,, i ll be there to
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"But do i REALLY care....? not so much".. Īve just following orders, if i didnt kill 3-400 hundreds children per day i would be executed"-any war criminal, , , yes, youre a perfectly functional human, ,, u disgusting piece of thrash, u call yourself a father,, u will not die a quiet death, ,, have u seen batman? go with all your family, try to stay in first seats ,, i ll be there to
LOL....silence you fucking idiot.
last time I checked, i haven't killed anyone...but there you are threatening to kill my whole family because i hurt your feelings.....hypocrite much...asshole? :D
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no. i invite u all to a movie,. enjoy!
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Damn, I must be living in Battlefield England, then. Can't believe how I never caught wind of what's going on around me ::). Btw, 73,6% of statistics are made up. (http://articles.businessinsider.com/2010-02-17/strategy/30008803_1_market-forecasts-analysis-data-projections) Including this one ;)
Let me find some statistics that prove my point
oh wait why bother ;)
correction: you've never "lived" outside your country.
Damn, I must be living in Battlefield England, then. Can't believe how I never caught wind of what's going on around me ::).
This supposed to prove the facts wrong? ??? this is what you consider proof ? ::)
Let me find some statistics that prove my point
oh wait why bother ;)
You tried and failed ;) and this is your pathetic reply in some vain attempt to save face
correction: you've never "lived" outside your country.
Another fail , NOT what you typed is it? and still assumption on your behalf
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Man, manuelsonn is ready to kill people because others don't care about people being killed. That's pretty fucked up!
"But do i REALLY care....? not so much".. Īve just following orders, if i didnt kill 3-400 hundreds children per day i would be executed"-any war criminal, , , yes, youre a perfectly functional human, ,, u disgusting piece of thrash, u call yourself a father,, u will not die a quiet death, ,, have u seen batman? go with all your family, try to stay in first seats ,, i ll be there to
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Man, manuelsonn is ready to kill people because others don't care about people being killed. That's pretty fucked up!
But do U REALLY care if i invite gronk and family to a movie ? not so much?
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This thread shows how angry some are. :D
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Bull fucking shit you bleeding heart bitch. Get the fuck out with your "Look at me pretend to care about this, even though It has absolutely nothing to do with me in any way."
You didn't feel a goddamn thing so stop trying to pretend like you did. Yeah, it sucks this happened, but I don't see you crying like a bitch every time someone gets hit by a car? Every time an old man dies? Every time someone loses their mother?
No, you don't, no one does, so shut the fuck up already. People die. Thats life.
Anytime hatred is laced and convoluted with fragments of hatred predicated on ones color, creed, or race, it bothers us all motherfuc*ker.
Stop hanging from Groink's nuts and churn a original thought of your own -- you standard run of the mill scum bag.
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That's not a bigscreen.
That's actual size, baby.
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Reminds me of Tom Cruise in Collateral
Vincent: Okay, look, here's the deal. Man, you were gonna drive me around tonight, never be the wiser, but El Gordo got in front of a window, did his high dive, we're into Plan B. Still breathing? Now we gotta make the best of it, improvise, adapt to the environment, Darwin, shit happens, I Ching, whatever man, we gotta roll with it.
Max: I Ching? What are you talking about, man? You threw a man out of a window.
Vincent: I didn't throw him. He fell.
Max: Well what did he do to you?
Vincent: What?
Max: What did he do to you?
Vincent: Nothing. I only met him tonight.
Max: You just met him once and you killed him like that?
Vincent: What? I should only kill people after I get to know them? Max, six billion people on the planet, you're getting bent out of shape cause of one fat guy.
Max: Well, who was he?
Vincent: What do you care? Have you ever heard of Rwanda?
Max: Yes, I know Rwanda.
Vincent: Well, tens of thousands killed before sundown. Nobody's killed people that fast since Nagasaki and Hiroshima. Did you bat an eye, Max?
Max: What?
Vincent: Did you join Amnesty International, Oxfam, Save the Whales, Greenpeace, or something? No. I off one fat Angelino and you throw a hissy fit.
Max: Man, I don't know any Rwandans.
Vincent: You don't know the guy in the trunk, either.
great movie.
lol @ people pretending they care about random murders... monster herd mentality
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Just get the fuck out and die already. Alternatively, if you've got balls post from your real account.
But do U REALLY care if i post from my real account? not so much
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But do U REALLY care if i invite gronk and family to a movie ? not so much?
I wouldn't miss Groink, but 7-8 other people might!
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I wouldn't miss Groink, but 7-8 other people might!
not if they are all togheter with some popcorn... but hey,, the important thing is that nobody really cares, aint so?
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LOL, what facts are you talking about, lame-o?
An assumption?
Haha, talk about fail, you insular boor.
LOL, what facts are you talking about, lame-o?
You know what fact the one you denied and claimed were ' made up ' FACT UK is more violent than the US ;)
United States isn't even in the top 10 8)
An assumption?
That I never been outside of the US which was your original comment then you amended to live
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"I'm a perfectly functional human-I reacted like i would imagine most people did...."Did you hear about what happened in Colorado""yeah...that's terrible, some sick people in this world."" i know man, that is fucked".... . -and apparently more honest than most"
:)) it s more honest than most people and he reacted like he would imagine most people did.. although he really doesnt care much ?? wft man,, -- that creature its a walking chris benoit, it s full of feaces in his brain
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"I'm a perfectly functional human-I reacted like i would imagine most people did...."Did you hear about what happened in Colorado""yeah...that's terrible, some sick people in this world."" i know man, that is fucked".... . -and apparently more honest than most"
:)) it s more honest than most people and he reacted like he would imagine most people did.. although he really doesnt care much ?? wft man,, -- that creature its a walking chris benoit, it s full of feaces in his brain
Well it's pretty obvious you care.
About every word I type ;)
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Well it's pretty obvious you care.
About every word I type ;)
yup, i admit, i want the best seats 4 u and your 7-8 carryabouthomunculs
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Not only should all firearms be legal and available to the US public, but we should legalize grenades.
Do you really think that criminals would be so bold if they knew anyone might be carrying a grenade that they could throw at them?
Please join me at www.legalizegrenadesPAC. com and let's end the insanity. It's what the founding fathers would have wanted.
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Not only should all firearms be legal and available to the US public, but we should legalize grenades.
Do you really think that criminals would be so bold if they knew anyone might be carrying a grenade that they could throw at them?
Please join me at www.legalizegrenadesPAC. com and let's end the insanity. It's what the founding fathers would have wanted.
Good thing for us you've decided to stay in panfaceville. :)
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Definitely not a righteous response. I guess guys can say things on the internet they wouldnt dare in person.
It's true though, and It's almost exactly what I said to some people at the shop yesterday.
No one TRULY gives a shit about people they never knew dying, they just like to get on their soapbox and feel better about themselves as they pretend to care.
Its one thing to think it sad or it sucks, but thats life. People die every day, yet I don't see anyone crying about every poor soul that gets shot, or gets ran over, and gets raped to death, no, everyone suddenly wants to give a shit when its national news and it's suddenly cool to be pretend to care. Fuck that.
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Interesting development in the story...
FBI: Page took his own life during Sikh temple massacre
http://www.todaystmj4.com/news/local/165396966.html
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It's true though, and It's almost exactly what I said to some people at the shop yesterday.
No one TRULY gives a shit about people they never knew dying, they just like to get on their soapbox and feel better about themselves as they pretend to care.
Its one thing to think it sad or it sucks, but thats life. People die every day, yet I don't see anyone crying about every poor soul that gets shot, or gets ran over, and gets raped to death, no, everyone suddenly wants to give a shit when its national news and it's suddenly cool to be pretend to care. Fuck that.
Then what the fuck are you ranting and raving about you bleeding heart bitch, if you don't give a flying fuck whether others care?
Because assholes like you don't care - others are supposed to follow suit?
Go fuck yourself you nazi motherf*ucker!
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Then what the fuck are you ranting and raving about you bleeding heart bitch, if you don't give a flying fuck whether others care?
Because assholes like you don't care - others are supposed to follow suit?
Go fuck yourself you nazi motherf*ucker!
Sense; this post makes none.
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