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http://www.hulu.com/watch/396903
Just listen to the facts
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http://www.hulu.com/watch/396903
Just listen to the facts
listening to some commentators last night who were speculating that Romney/Ryan know that they can lie about shit because most people on the right just don't really give a shit
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http://www.hulu.com/watch/396903
Just listen to the facts
hahahaha Rudy Giuliani
"when people give speeches every fact isnt totally accurate"
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http://www.hulu.com/watch/396903
Just listen to the facts
The facts are that the fact checkers are full of shit and have been exposed themselves for being partisan hacks trying to prop up obama's disaster of a presidency.
When all you have are comedians and jokers who spin turds from oVOMIT, you know you are finished.
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The facts are that the fact checkers are full of shit and have been exposed themselves for being partisan hacks trying to prop up obama's disaster of a presidency.
When all you have are comedians and jokers who spin turds from oVOMIT, you know you are finished.
speaking of jokers
If I were going to act like do I would go find all the posts where you said Obama was going to drop out/be forced out and just keep bumping them
remember when I asked you to bet and you were too much of a pussy to put your money on the line?
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The Media's 'Fact Check' Smokescreen
Posted 08/30/2012 06:58 PM ET
Journalism: If media "fact checkers" are just impartial guardians of the truth, how come they got their own facts wrong about Paul Ryan's speech, and did so in a way that helped President Obama's re-election effort?
Case in point was the rush of "fact check" stories claiming Ryan misled when he talked about a shuttered auto plant in his home state.
Washington Post fact-checker Glenn Kessler posted a piece — "Ryan misleads on GM plant closing in hometown" — saying Ryan "appeared to suggest" that Obama was responsible for the closure of a GM plant in Janesville, Wis.
"That's not true," Kessler said. "The plant was closed in December 2008, before Obama was sworn in."
What's not true are Kessler's "facts." Ryan didn't suggest Obama was responsible for shuttering the plant. Instead, he correctly noted that Obama promised during the campaign that the troubled plant "will be here for another hundred years" if his policies were enacted.
Also, the plant didn't close in December 2008. It was still producing cars until April 2009.
An AP "fact check" also claimed that "the plant halted production in December 2008" even though the AP itself reported in April 2009 that the plant was only then "closing for good."
CNN's John King made the same claim about that plant closure. But when CNN looked more carefully at the evidence, it — to its credit — concluded that what Ryan said was "true."
Subscribe to the IBD Editorials Podcast
Media fact-checkers also complained about Ryan's charge that Obama is cutting $716 billion from Medicare to fund ObamaCare. Not true, they said. Medicare's growth is just being slowed.
But Obama achieves that slower growth by making real cuts in provider payments. And in any case, the media always and everywhere call a reduction in the rate of federal spending growth a "cut." So why suddenly charge Ryan with being misleading for using that same term?
In any case, Obama himself admitted that he's doing what Ryan says. In a November 2009 interview with ABC News, reporter Jake Tapper said to Obama that "one-third of the funding comes from cuts to Medicare," to which Obama's response was: "Right."
The rest of Ryan's alleged factual errors aren't errors at all; it's just that the media didn't like how he said it. But since when is it a fact-checker's job to decide how a politician should construct his arguments?
This isn't to say that journalists shouldn't check facts. Of course they should.
The problem is that the mainstream press is now abusing the "fact check" label, using it to more aggressively push a liberal agenda without feeling the need to provide any balance whatsoever. And, as the reaction to the Ryan speech shows, they are now blatantly using it to provide air support for Obama.
Is it any wonder that soon after Ryan's speech ended, the Obama campaign rushed out an ad using the media's "fact check" stories as its source?
http://news.investors.com/print/ibd-editorials/083012-624188-so-called-fact-checks-disguise-media-liberal-agenda.aspx
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speaking of jokers
If I were going to act like do I would go find all the posts where you said Obama was going to drop out/be forced out and just keep bumping them
remember when I asked you to bet and you were too much of a pussy to put your money on the line?
I am actually glad he is staying him and destroying your party. Obama is the biggest albatross around the democrat party in decades.
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Shitty journalists set-up "fact checks" and morons fall over themselves to defend their opinionated "fact checking". How sad.
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I am actually glad he is staying him and destroying your party. Obama is the biggest albatross around the democrat party in decades.
how does that change the fact that you said many many many times that he was either going to quit or be forced out?
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how does that change the fact that you said many many many times that he was either going to quit or be forced out?
I was wrong since I did not believe that the democrat party would race off the cliff w obama after the disaster in 2010, but low and behold your stupid ass party wants to ram the iceberg for a second time.
Good luck - obama is taking all of you down.
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The Media's 'Fact Check' Smokescreen
Posted 08/30/2012 06:58 PM ET
Journalism: If media "fact checkers" are just impartial guardians of the truth, how come they got their own facts wrong about Paul Ryan's speech, and did so in a way that helped President Obama's re-election effort?
Case in point was the rush of "fact check" stories claiming Ryan misled when he talked about a shuttered auto plant in his home state.
Washington Post fact-checker Glenn Kessler posted a piece — "Ryan misleads on GM plant closing in hometown" — saying Ryan "appeared to suggest" that Obama was responsible for the closure of a GM plant in Janesville, Wis.
"That's not true," Kessler said. "The plant was closed in December 2008, before Obama was sworn in."
What's not true are Kessler's "facts." Ryan didn't suggest Obama was responsible for shuttering the plant. Instead, he correctly noted that Obama promised during the campaign that the troubled plant "will be here for another hundred years" if his policies were enacted.
Also, the plant didn't close in December 2008. It was still producing cars until April 2009.
An AP "fact check" also claimed that "the plant halted production in December 2008" even though the AP itself reported in April 2009 that the plant was only then "closing for good."
CNN's John King made the same claim about that plant closure. But when CNN looked more carefully at the evidence, it — to its credit — concluded that what Ryan said was "true."
Subscribe to the IBD Editorials Podcast
Media fact-checkers also complained about Ryan's charge that Obama is cutting $716 billion from Medicare to fund ObamaCare. Not true, they said. Medicare's growth is just being slowed.
But Obama achieves that slower growth by making real cuts in provider payments. And in any case, the media always and everywhere call a reduction in the rate of federal spending growth a "cut." So why suddenly charge Ryan with being misleading for using that same term?
In any case, Obama himself admitted that he's doing what Ryan says. In a November 2009 interview with ABC News, reporter Jake Tapper said to Obama that "one-third of the funding comes from cuts to Medicare," to which Obama's response was: "Right."
The rest of Ryan's alleged factual errors aren't errors at all; it's just that the media didn't like how he said it. But since when is it a fact-checker's job to decide how a politician should construct his arguments?
This isn't to say that journalists shouldn't check facts. Of course they should.
The problem is that the mainstream press is now abusing the "fact check" label, using it to more aggressively push a liberal agenda without feeling the need to provide any balance whatsoever. And, as the reaction to the Ryan speech shows, they are now blatantly using it to provide air support for Obama.
Is it any wonder that soon after Ryan's speech ended, the Obama campaign rushed out an ad using the media's "fact check" stories as its source?
http://news.investors.com/print/ibd-editorials/083012-624188-so-called-fact-checks-disguise-media-liberal-agenda.aspx
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Romney and Ryan didn't lie about everything.
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Romney and Ryan didn't lie about everything.
LOL. Obama took office the debt was 9-10 trillion. TODAY IT IS 16 TRILLION!
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I was wrong,,,.
on so many things.
get used to saying this after the election.
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on so many things.
get used to saying this after the election.
LOL
You gay mesdiah is following Romney to the gulf.
Landslide coming
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how can you be a lawyer if your on here 24/7 ,somebodys telling a ryan :D
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on so many things.
get used to saying this after the election.
Get used to saying what? You honestly think Obama will do anything to fix this country if he's reelected? And if you do, on what can you base it? Certainly not on the last 4 years.
Romney will fucking blow, too.
how can you be a lawyer if your on here 24/7 ,somebodys telling a ryan :D
You're on here all fucking day. You're even pathetic enough to bounce between half a dozen gimmicks. ::)
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Get used to saying what? You honestly think Obama will do anything to fix this country if he's reelected? And if you do, on what can you base it? Certainly not on the last 4 years.
Romney will fucking blow, too.
You're on here all fucking day. You're even pathetic enough to bounce between half a dozen gimmicks. ::)
Gays, blacks, guilt ridden white leftists, communists, marxists, welfare thugs, Section 8ers, all have an emotional love affair w obama not connected to his job performance.
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You're on here all fucking day. You're even pathetic enough to bounce between half a dozen gimmicks. ::)
LOL...How sweet
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I like how 3333 has worked this. Everyone is full of shit except for him. All the fact checking shit that's been used here by left and right for years, yea, it's all crap now. Yes, many used snopes until this election but now it's crap too. So don't go to politifact, factcheck or snopes for any additional info. If you want to know the truth, there's really only one source for that and that's 333386! He's built a reliable collection of rightwing sources that only deal with facts!!! It's true I tell you!!!!
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Get used to saying what? You honestly think Obama will do anything to fix this country if he's reelected? And if you do, on what can you base it? Certainly not on the last 4 years.
Romney will fucking blow, too.
You're on here all fucking day. You're even pathetic enough to bounce between half a dozen gimmicks. ::)
i don't remember asking for a nerdy guys opinion :D
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I like how 3333 has worked this. Everyone is full of shit except for him. All the fact checking shit that's been used here by left and right for years, yea, it's all crap now. Yes, many used snopes until this election but now it's crap too. So don't go to politifact, factcheck or snopes for any additional info. If you want to know the truth, there's really only one source for that and that's 333386! He's built a reliable collection of rightwing sources that only deal with facts!!! It's true I tell you!!!!
Forbes / IBD both blew those partisan hacks right out of the water.
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I like how 3333 has worked this. Everyone is full of shit except for him. All the fact checking shit that's been used here by left and right for years, yea, it's all crap now. Yes, many used snopes until this election but now it's crap too. So don't go to politifact, factcheck or snopes for any additional info. If you want to know the truth, there's really only one source for that and that's 333386! He's built a reliable collection of rightwing sources that only deal with facts!!! It's true I tell you!!!!
:D :D :D :D :D :D
how true
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:D :D :D :D :D :D
how true
Go refute anything i posted in your thread. Please even try to make an attempt
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i post your bullshit all the time,don't make it sound like your the true teller on this site,your far from it :D :D :D :D
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i don't remember asking for a nerdy guys opinion :D
I don't remember anyone on this board asking for Simple Jack's opinion. You'd be better off trying to color within the lines (which I doubt you can do).
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I don't remember anyone on this board asking for Simple Jack's opinion. You'd be better off trying to color within the lines (which I doubt you can do).
Nothing scares Obama like truth
By Michael Graham
Friday, August 31, 2012 - Updated 21 hours ago
To paraphrase Mark Twain, there are three kinds of liars: Liars, damned liars . . . and screaming, foamy-mouthed MSNBC hosts watching Paul Ryan speak.
We have now moved into what academics might call the “post-factual” portion of the Obama campaign. For example: Tuesday night Ann Romney gives a warm, charmingly earnest speech. Obama flak Robert Gibbs calls it an “angry” night “full of insults.” What “insults?” He doesn’t say. He just says “Republicans are angry!”
Why? Because he needs them to be.
The RNC features black Republicans like Condoleezza Rice, Rep. Artur Davis and Mia Love. CNN and MSNBC fill their panels with nuts like Toure and the Rev. Al Sharpton decrying the “racism” in Tampa. Their proof? They don’t need “proof.” For Obama to win, they need Republicans to be “racist” — so the pundits say they are.
Republican Mitch McCon- nell quips “Obama hasn’t been working to earn re-election. He’s been working to earn a spot on the PGA tour.” MSNBC’s Lawrence O’Donnell knows what’s up: “He’s aligning . . . the lifestyle of Tiger Woods to Obama.”
And in perhaps the most blatant example, DNC spokesflak Debbie Wasserman Schultz used a Los Angeles Times article to claim that Mitt Romney is responsible for the abortion plank of the GOP platform. CNN’s Anderson Cooper confronted her with the fact that the Times article she quoted said the exact opposite — that Romney did not support the plank as written.
Wasserman Schultz’s answer? “Anderson, it doesn’t matter.”
Wow.
Liberal “news” man Howard Fineman did us a favor Wednesday, laying out the Democrats’ strategy: “Prove clearly” that Paul Ryan — and Mitt Romney and anyone else who can do math — is “lying” . . . whether they are or not.
Why? Because Obama supporters can’t handle the truth. The facts about the Obama record are so awful, so indefensible that the very idea of “facts” must be destroyed.
Here’s a story Ryan told in his speech about a promise Obama made at a Janesville, Wis., auto plant: “Candidate Obama said, ‘I believe that if our government is there to support you, this plant will be here for another 100 years.’ That’s what he said in 2008. Well, as it turned out, that plant didn’t last another year.”
It’s an effective metaphor for the many promises Obama has made about the economy that didn’t come true. And that was the problem. It’s too effective. And so the Fineman Effect kicked in: Ryan was declared a liar.
“That plant was already closed in 2008,” screamed Chris Matthews, who nearly had to be placed in Hannibal Lecter restraints for his own protection. Thursday morning, Obama lackeys in the “politi-fact” business jumped in, claiming Ryan’s statement as false.
One problem: Ryan was right. Local media at the time reported the factory still making cars in 2009, and even GM, the plant’s owner, has posted on the Web: “Janesville was placed on standby capacity in May 2009.”
After their failure in convincing Americans of a “GOP War On Women,” Democrats have declared their own war: A war on truth itself.
http://www.bostonherald.com/news/opinion/op_ed/view.bg?&articleid=1061157000&format=&page=2&listingType=opi#articleFull
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Ryan told the truth and the lefy freaked out ob
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Ryan lied his ass off and everyone pointed it out
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Ryan lied his ass off and everyone pointed it out
and that's why this is starting to be fun again!
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Ryan lied his ass off and everyone pointed it out
Obama didn't claim "I believe that if our government is there to support you, this plant will be here for another 100 years.’?
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Obama didn't claim "I believe that if our government is there to support you, this plant will be here for another 100 years.’?
He didn't do that, somebody else made that happen.
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Obama didn't claim "I believe that if our government is there to support you, this plant will be here for another 100 years.’?
http://articles.cnn.com/2012-08-30/politics/politics_pol-fact-check-ryan-gm_1_gm-plant-president-obama-barack-obama
"I know that General Motors received some bad news yesterday, and I know how hard your governor has fought to keep jobs in this plant. But I also know how much progress you've made -- how many hybrids and fuel-efficient vehicles you're churning out," Obama said. "And I believe that if our government is there to support you, and give you the assistance you need to re-tool and make this transition, that this plant will be here for another hundred years."
Obama never promised to keep the plant open and the last car rolled off the production line in December of 2008
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http://articles.cnn.com/2012-08-30/politics/politics_pol-fact-check-ryan-gm_1_gm-plant-president-obama-barack-obama
Obama never promised to keep the plant open and the last car rolled off the production line in December of 2008
LOL. Did you even read his one damn quote!
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LOL. Did you even read his one damn quote!
yep
from my link
The facts:
First, some context. Ryan reportedly recalled this event incorrectly just days ago, during an August 16 speech in Ohio.
Ryan reportedly alleged that Obama said he'd "keep that plant open," and therefore broke his promise because the plant closed.
"That plant was shut down in 2009. I remember President Obama visiting it when he was first running, saying he'll keep that plant open," Ryan said, according to the Janesville Gazette. "One more broken promise."
The Detroit News pointed out that Obama made no such promise in the February 13, 2008, speech, and indeed, we've seen no account suggesting that Obama did. Here is the quote at issue, according to an account kept by the Council on Foreign Relations:
"I know that General Motors received some bad news yesterday, and I know how hard your governor has fought to keep jobs in this plant. But I also know how much progress you've made -- how many hybrids and fuel-efficient vehicles you're churning out," Obama said. "And I believe that if our government is there to support you, and give you the assistance you need to re-tool and make this transition, that this plant will be here for another hundred years."
By "bad news," Obama apparently was referring to GM's February 12, 2008, announcement that it had a $38.7 billion adjusted net loss for 2007.
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yep
from my link
FALSE! Obama poured billions more into GM and chose to close the plant down due to it's carbon footprint.
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FALSE! Obama poured billions more into GM and chose to close the plant down due to it's carbon footprint.
the plant closed before he got in office
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he never said on February 13th that he was going to keep that specific plant open
right?
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the plant closed before he got in office
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he never said on February 13th that he was going to keep that specific plant open
right?
BULLSHIT!!!! do you even read!
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BULLSHIT!!!! do you even read!
do you have a specific point or are you saying "no" or that I'm wrong in what I said in the two statements I just made ?
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He didn't do that, somebody else made that happen.
Didn't Obama also visit several plants (including a Caterpillar one), either before or shortly after he got elected, touting his plan.....only to have that plant close about a year later?
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http://articles.cnn.com/2012-08-30/politics/politics_pol-fact-check-ryan-gm_1_gm-plant-president-obama-barack-obama
Obama never promised to keep the plant open and the last car rolled off the production line in December of 2008
The Boston Herald article says otherwise:
Local media at the time reported the factory still making cars in 2009, and even GM, the plant’s owner, has posted on the Web: “Janesville was placed on standby capacity in May 2009.”
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The Boston Herald article says otherwise:
Local media at the time reported the factory still making cars in 2009, and even GM, the plant’s owner, has posted on the Web: “Janesville was placed on standby capacity in May 2009.”
The liberal layabouts are in meltdown.
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The liberal layabouts are in meltdown.
I think that was a running joke for a while, that every time Obama visited a plant to do a photo-op and tout his policies, that plant would close 6-12 months later.
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The Boston Herald article says otherwise:
Local media at the time reported the factory still making cars in 2009, and even GM, the plant’s owner, has posted on the Web: “Janesville was placed on standby capacity in May 2009.”
Nice job not posting any link to support your claim
Scroll up for picture commemorating the last car to roll off th assembly line in December 2008
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Nice job not posting any link to support your claim
Scroll up for picture commemorating the last car to roll off th assembly line in December 2008
The plant continued to produce medium/light duty trucks until April 2009 by a skeleton crew. It was a joint Izuzu/GM venture.
I don't know why this is so hard to understand.
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The GOP doesn't need MSNBC to show them that they are racist and hostile to women....they do a pretty good job of that themselves.
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The plant continued to produce medium/light duty trucks until April 2009 by a skeleton crew. It was a joint Izuzu/GM venture.
I don't know why this is so hard to understand.
maybe because of the picture of people holding up a banner saying the last car rolled off the assembly line on December 23, 2008
Did Obama ever promise to keep this plant open?
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maybe because of the picture of people holding up a banner saying the last car rolled off the assembly line on December 23, 2008
Did Obama ever promise to keep this plant open?
Yes
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maybe because of the picture of people holding up a banner saying the last car rolled off the assembly line on December 23, 2008
Did Obama ever promise to keep this plant open?
The Janesville assembly plant was producing vehicles until April 2009.
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Yes he did.
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Nice job not posting any link to support your claim
Scroll up for picture commemorating the last car to roll off th assembly line in December 2008
Earth to Straw Man:
I not only posted the link, I PASTED THE ENTIRE ARTICLE. Perhaps you lost your bi-focals or something.
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Earth to Straw Man:
I not only posted the link, I PASTED THE ENTIRE ARTICLE. Perhaps you lost your bi-focals or something.
it's not in your response to me and I didn't notice what you were referring to
I see your post further up and the story
any chance "local media" got it wrong
the story gives no reference to what "local media" reported this and I've seen video of people who worked there saying that production ended in December
here's a link of photos from December 23, 2008: http://gazettextra.com/photos/galleries/last-day-gm/
All a moot point since Obama (the candidate and not even nominee and certainly not POTUS) never said he would keep that plant open
That is Ryans Big Lie
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it's not in your response to me and I didn't notice what you were referring to
I see your post further up and the story
any chance "local media" got it wrong
the story gives no reference to what "local media" reported this and I've seen video of people who worked there saying that production ended in December
here's a link of photos from December 23, 2008: http://gazettextra.com/photos/galleries/last-day-gm/
All a moot point since Obama (the candidate and not even nominee and certainly not POTUS) never said he would keep that plant open
That is Ryans Big Lie
Their production might have ended at that time, but there were still light/medium duty trucks being produced until April 2009.
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Their production might have ended at that time, but there were still light/medium duty trucks being produced until April 2009.
lol....thats mighty weak there bro.. but you knew that when you typed it.
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lol....thats mighty weak there bro.. but you knew that when you typed it.
Word. Das what I is saying. We is winning this here argument. Obama 2012!
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Word. Das what I is saying. We is winning this here argument. Obama 2012!
Are you speaking a mixture of German and English?
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German?
What da *uck is dat supposed to mean *itch?
I aint yer man Honkie and I speak is what I be thinkin. And if you be askin, you be an Oreo.
Obama 2012!
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German?
What da *uck is dat supposed to mean *itch?
I aint yer man Honkie and I speak is what I be thinkin. And if you be askin, you be an Oreo.
Obama 2012!
Zero clue on what you are talking about right now
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Zero clue on what you are talking about right now
Yeah that cuz you a *itch.
Obama 2012!
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Yeah that cuz you a *itch.
Obama 2012!
oh... ok..
Romney 2012
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lol....thats mighty weak there bro.. but you knew that when you typed it.
Not weak at all. Just stating facts, do you have a problem with facts? I think you do.
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Not weak at all. Just stating facts, do you have a problem with facts? I think you do.
U know it is..
"yeah they planned to close it summer 2008... but that was just most if it... they still had a little bit of cars coming off so Technically its not closed.."
ok...bro.. you got it
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U know it is..
"yeah they planned to close it summer 2008... but that was just most if it... they still had a little bit of cars coming off so Technically its not closed.."
ok...bro.. you got it
Fact: The plant was producing vehicles until April 2009.
Can you dispute that? Or do you still have a problem with facts?
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Not weak at all. Just stating facts, do you have a problem with facts? I think you do.
The spin from comedians matters mpre than reality for these jokers.
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The spin from comedians matters mpre than reality for these jokers.
Hey, at the end of the day I am just stating facts.
That really, really bother some people.
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The plant was effectively shut down on Dec. 23, 2008, when GM ceased production of SUVs there and laid off 1,200 workers. (Several dozen workers stayed on another four months to finish an order of small- to medium-duty trucks for Isuzu Motors.)
So, the plant closed while Bush was still in office, about a month before Obama was inaugurated.
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Fact: The plant was producing vehicles until April 2009.
Can you dispute that? Or do you still have a problem with facts?
You do understand that when a business plans to close, it always doesn't happen instantly. But you can play this weak ass game if you want. have at it. As it pertains to Obamas impact on this Plant the closure wheels were already in motion.. but screw all that huh.. they were still putting out cars somewhat....
lol..funny
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You do understand that when a business plans to close, it always doesn't happen instantly. But you can play this weak ass game if you want. have at it. As it pertains to Obamas impact on this Plant the closure wheels were already in motion.. but screw all that huh.. they were still putting out cars somewhat....
lol..funny
Hey imbecile obama said he wpuld lead an effort to retool the plant to keep it oen for humdred years? What happened tp that promise?
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Hey imbecile obama said he wpuld lead an effort to retool the plant to keep it oen for humdred years? What happened tp that promise?
what happened to it is that it never happened
I know Ryan told you it happened but Ryan was lying to your dumb gullible ass and in spite of all the information you've been exposed to you still somehow believe the lie
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You do understand that when a business plans to close, it always doesn't happen instantly. But you can play this weak ass game if you want. have at it. As it pertains to Obamas impact on this Plant the closure wheels were already in motion.. but screw all that huh.. they were still putting out cars somewhat....
lol..funny
You do understand that all I was stating was that the Janesville Assembly plant was producing vehicles until April 2009, right? No where did say anything about what Obama may or may not have promised. This whole thing is hysterical, I state facts, a simple fact with no politics behind it and you fly straight off the handle projecting whatever whacked out shit you have bottled up onto my simple statement of fact.
All that stuff your carrying on about in your post did not come from me. I simply stated that the plant was producing vehicles until April 2009. That's it.
Actually, here is a quote from a few days ago:
That's actually a pretty damn good blog.
Anyways, here is the skinny.
-GM had scheduled to close the Janesville plant, which was a joint Izuzu/GM venture, during the summer of 2008.
-Production of GM vehicles ended during the later part of 2008, while Bush was still in office.
-The plant remained open to complete production of the last remaining light/medium duty trucks until April of 2009.
-After orders were filled the plant was shuttered and decommissioned.
Funny how you get all bent out of shape, projecting some weird ass political shit onto a simple statement of fact.
You're messed up.
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so after the plant "officially" shut down they still did a contract job
if a restaurant shuts down and then the kitchen is used to do a catering job is the "restaurant" still officially open
I wonder if these people think the plant they worked at was still an ongoing concern after December 23, 2008