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I'm going extremely strict low carb keto right now. This always works really well for me, very easy. I was just wondering, what would happen if I followed this diet with the exception of something sugary to induce a massive post-workout insulin spike?
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I guess your time in Ketosis would be limited? Or would it?
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I'm going extremely strict low carb keto right now. This always works really well for me, very easy. I was just wondering, what would happen if I followed this diet with the exception of something sugary to induce a massive post-workout insulin spike?
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I guess your time in Ketosis would be limited? Or would it?
Then you'd be doing carb backloading.
Not that there's anything wrong with that...
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Then you'd be doing carb backloading.
Not that there's anything wrong with that...
Thanks for tolerating my ignorance. What's that?
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Googled it, thanks this is cool! 8)
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Googled it, thanks this is cool! 8)
Doing it myself now, and seeing good results: more muscle, less fat.
Note: don't let that Kiefer guy overcomplicate things for you. Frontloading isn't really necessary IMO. Just eat no-carb before training, high carb high GI directly after training.
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I just ate a bowl of pasta for dinner. I wanted to rub that in PIP. ;D
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worrying about staying in ketosis is misguided, pip
if low carbs works best for you then do low carbs
but theres no reason why eating a moderate amount of carbs will slow fat loss. so long as total calories are the same, a diet with a little bit of carbs as opposed to no carbs at all should probably result in a little more fullness in the muscles and thus a little more muscle retention and fat burning as well.
on an unrelated side note, an interested fact is that so long as your burning bodyfat your body will be producing ketones! ketones are just a by product of fat metabolism. the state of "ketosis", where the brain switches from glucose to ketones for fuel, only spares about 20 grams of glucose per day and so long as you ate sufficient protein that isnt an issue anyways. (as protein will be converted to glucose in order to meet that glucose demand)
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just eat less and move more
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Why not have the carbs before workout? you'll be a monster!
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I'm going extremely strict low carb keto right now. This always works really well for me, very easy. I was just wondering, what would happen if I followed this diet with the exception of something sugary to induce a massive post-workout insulin spike?
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I guess your time in Ketosis would be limited? Or would it?
Look it's this simple a certain amount of carbs will get you so far, reduce it and you will go further, reduce it more and you will go even further. What you are proposing is a great idea but very dangerous taking something sugary on a ketosis diet cause your cravings will go through the roof once you have had a taste of simple carbs. If you can handle it, I say go for it.
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I'm going extremely strict low carb keto right now. This always works really well for me, very easy. I was just wondering, what would happen if I followed this diet with the exception of something sugary to induce a massive post-workout insulin spike?
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I guess your time in Ketosis would be limited? Or would it?
getting into ketosis takes days...
buy a keto meter and see for yourself
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I'm going extremely strict low carb keto right now. This always works really well for me, very easy. I was just wondering, what would happen if I followed this diet with the exception of something sugary to induce a massive post-workout insulin spike?
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I guess your time in Ketosis would be limited? Or would it?
Read about TKD (timed ketogenic diets) or CKD (cyclical ketogenic diets) and you will have your answers. Prolonged ketogenic diets have the potential of slowing thyroid output. Read about all this on Lyle McDonalds website.
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ketamine
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I don't even think you would get into ketosis then?
You will Definitely still lose weight, but if I remember correctly it would take me a full day or two of no carbs to get into ketosis.
You could buy some keto-sticks and keep track for yourself.
What will you do on days off? Go completely carb free?
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You don't need to get into ketosis to lose fat. Your body will lose if you have some CHO post-workout.
Calories in vs calories out. That's 95% of the equation.
Some water retention (due to CHO intake) will help keep muscles full, which in turn has a positive effect on the metabolic rate. It also helps spur along T4 to T3 conversion, as T3 levels do drop in the absence of CHO.
Extremes in dieting rarely work well. Ketosis is hard to tolerate for long periods, leads to unnecessary food cravings, and can trigger bingeing (the anti-thesis of dieting). Moderation seems more prudent and is a solid long-term solution.
I don't always agree with tbombz and his post above has some issues I don't agree with, but he's generally right. Ketosis isn't necessary to lose fat.
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um... you don't know anything about ketosis
i've been in ketosis for weeks...
there are 0 food cravings due to the high fat content of the diet
it's very effective for me, but may not be perfect for all
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I'm going extremely strict low carb keto right now. This always works really well for me, very easy. I was just wondering, what would happen if I followed this diet with the exception of something sugary to induce a massive post-workout insulin spike?
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I guess your time in Ketosis would be limited? Or would it?
What is your goal here? Lose fat as fast as you can or gain/ retain muscle as much as you can while losing fat albeit a bit slowly? And what is your body fat % now and what is your target %? any timeframe to get there?
Depending on those things, your strategy will be different. But other ppl are right, don't worry too much about being in Ketosis or not, as long as you achieve your goal.
Btw, I don't think just eating sugary PWO is consider carb back loading though, you need to eat some carb meal and that has to be last meal of the day and you need to workout in the evening to fit the original carb back loafing protocol.
The main trick with low carb is you need to know when to hold 'em, and you need to know when to fold 'em ( and carb up) ;). Hope this helps.
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um... you don't know anything about ketosis
i've been in ketosis for weeks...
there are 0 food cravings due to the high fat content of the diet
it's very effective for me, but may not be perfect for all
You're right, I don't know anything about ketosis. Except for the 4th year thesis I wrote in university on the role of glucagon on the activity of acetyl-Co-A carboxylase in hepatic cells.
But other than that, I have no idea what ketosis is or how it works.
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I hate keto, it doesn't work for me. I end up with massive migranes from having no carbs. I found that carb cycling works best and strips the fat off and I remain sane and migrane free.
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just eat less and move more
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I don't even think you would get into ketosis then?
You will Definitely still lose weight, but if I remember correctly it would take me a full day or two of no carbs to get into ketosis.
You could buy some keto-sticks and keep track for yourself.
What will you do on days off? Go completely carb free?
This pretty much. If you are constantly doing this after your workouts I am pretty sure you will never even be in ketosis.
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if you eat really almost zero carbs daily , you can easily eat 50-100 gramms sugar any time of the day and it wont add any fat to you and youl be back into fatburning mode within hours.
infact , i think simple sugars are better under those circumstances than slow released carbs.
the sugar gets in and out quickly, while complex carbs will hinder fatloss for longer.
BINGO^^^^^
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The whole keto stick thing is bullshit IMO. Think about it, the sticks measure the concentration of ketones in the urine. Now, if you are drinking a lot of water/lquids your urine will be dilute. Soooo dilute urine = less concentration of ketones.
Those who mention headaches during ketogenic diets are usually experiencing them as a result of lack of hydration. I am sure many will say "I drank a ton of water", and that may be so, but that is typically the reason. Here is a nice explanation :
Serotonin seems to have a central role in headache pain (nociception). Migraines are linked to too little serotonin activity resulting in vasodilation and tension headaches are linked to too much serotonin activity resulting in vasoconstriction. Abnormalities in magnesium or calcium availability also tend to adversely affect blood vessels in the brain ability to contract and dilate appropriately.
Going on any variant of low-carb dieting causes serotonin activity to drop off because of how the how the blood-brain barrier works and the decreased availability of the amino acid tryptophan. When blood sugar goes up, insulin is released which causes most other amino-acids to be taken up from the blood stream by muscle tissue, but not tryptophan (reference). The resulting high ratio of tryptophan in the blood stream allows it to cross the blood-brain barrier preferentially which makes it more available to be converted to serotonin (and later to melatonin). Hence, less carbs in the diet leads to less insulin which leads to less serotonin. This could cause vasocongestive type headaches.
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ketamine
HERE KITTY KITTY!!!
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I hate keto, it doesn't work for me. I end up with massive migranes from having no carbs. I found that carb cycling works best and strips the fat off and I remain sane and migrane free.
hahah its called a headache. women always exagerate headaches and call them migranes
but yes low or no sugars will give you a headache and throw off your rhythm
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hahah its called a headache. women always exagerate headaches and call them migranes
but yes low or no sugars will give you a headache and throw off your rhythm
Well it was more than a headache. Headaches don't last 4 or 5 days. Then I ate some grapes and voila headache disappeared. Even panadeine didn't get rid of my headache. That's the body letting you know when something doesn't sit well with it.
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The whole keto stick thing is bullshit IMO. Think about it, the sticks measure the concentration of ketones in the urine. Now, if you are drinking a lot of water/lquids your urine will be dilute. Soooo dilute urine = less concentration of ketones.
Those who mention headaches during ketogenic diets are usually experiencing them as a result of lack of hydration. I am sure many will say "I drank a ton of water", and that may be so, but that is typically the reason. Here is a nice explanation :
Serotonin seems to have a central role in headache pain (nociception). Migraines are linked to too little serotonin activity resulting in vasodilation and tension headaches are linked to too much serotonin activity resulting in vasoconstriction. Abnormalities in magnesium or calcium availability also tend to adversely affect blood vessels in the brain ability to contract and dilate appropriately.
Going on any variant of low-carb dieting causes serotonin activity to drop off because of how the how the blood-brain barrier works and the decreased availability of the amino acid tryptophan. When blood sugar goes up, insulin is released which causes most other amino-acids to be taken up from the blood stream by muscle tissue, but not tryptophan (reference). The resulting high ratio of tryptophan in the blood stream allows it to cross the blood-brain barrier preferentially which makes it more available to be converted to serotonin (and later to melatonin). Hence, less carbs in the diet leads to less insulin which leads to less serotonin. This could cause vasocongestive type headaches.
I respectfully disagree with your thesis. I find keto sticks work great. Just don't use them after downing a ton of water and you will not have dilute issues. The headaches are being dramatized in this thread. They go away after a couple days then you feel great. Just natural response to the body withdrawing from something it has had a long time (carbs). I highly recommend keto sticks for anyone going on a ketogenic diet.
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The headaches are being dramatized in this thread. They go away after a couple days then you feel great. Just natural response to the body withdrawing from something it has had a long time (carbs). I highly recommend keto sticks for anyone going on a ketogenic diet.
I have read it somewhere that Headaches and/or general lethargy from low carb before getting strong and feeling awesome are body changing the energy source from carbs to fats??? I am not sure whether it is true or not.
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I have read it somewhere that Headaches and/or general lethargy from low carb before getting strong and feeling awesome are body changing the energy source from carbs to fats??? I am not sure whether it is true or not.
Probably true, would make perfect sense. Anyone who has gone true low carb knows the energy rush you get when your energy source completely switches to burning fat for energy. Along with several other benefits.
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worrying about staying in ketosis is misguided, pip
if low carbs works best for you then do low carbs
but theres no reason why eating a moderate amount of carbs will slow fat loss. so long as total calories are the same, a diet with a little bit of carbs as opposed to no carbs at all should probably result in a little more fullness in the muscles and thus a little more muscle retention and fat burning as well.
on an unrelated side note, an interested fact is that so long as your burning bodyfat your body will be producing ketones! ketones are just a by product of fat metabolism. the state of "ketosis", where the brain switches from glucose to ketones for fuel, only spares about 20 grams of glucose per day and so long as you ate sufficient protein that isnt an issue anyways. (as protein will be converted to glucose in order to meet that glucose demand)
Thank you tbombz, I appreciate it!
I apologize, you're not as irritating as you use to be!!! ;D
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I just ate a bowl of pasta for dinner. I wanted to rub that in PIP. ;D
hahah!!!
NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
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Read about TKD (timed ketogenic diets) or CKD (cyclical ketogenic diets) and you will have your answers. Prolonged ketogenic diets have the potential of slowing thyroid output. Read about all this on Lyle McDonalds website.
Thank you!
if you eat really almost zero carbs daily , you can easily eat 50-100 gramms sugar any time of the day and it wont add any fat to you and youl be back into fatburning mode within hours.
infact , i think simple sugars are better under those circumstances than slow released carbs.
the sugar gets in and out quickly, while complex carbs will hinder fatloss for longer.
Thank you everyone, you're all the bomb.com!!!
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hahah!!!
NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Oh yes I did and I enjoyed every mouthful. :P I hate keto, it's the fastest way to lose muscle mass and get all stringy looking. It's not something you can substain either. I have seen people get fatter after going off keto.
I love carbs especially for adding lean muscle mass. I use carb cycling and eat my starchy carbs such as rice at the beginning of the day and then at night switch over to steamed green veges and some source of protein such as fish or chicken. Of course currently I am just eating what ever I like, not being real strict but when I want to be strict I will do my carb cycling. I will not give them up completely, it's muscle and strength suicide!
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Oh yes I did and I enjoyed every mouthful. :P I hate keto, it's the fastest way to lose muscle mass and get all stringy looking. It's not something you can substain either. I have seen people get fatter after going off keto.
I love carbs especially for adding lean muscle mass. I use carb cycling and eat my starchy carbs such as rice at the beginning of the day and then at night switch over to steamed green veges and some source of protein such as fish or chicken. Of course currently I am just eating what ever I like, not being real strict but when I want to be strict I will do my carb cycling. I will not give them up completely, it's muscle and strength suicide!
With about a years experience lifting, around 2004 (15 or 16 years old) I tried a low carb/keto diet. I felt depressed as fuck, headache, dizzy, etc... Tried it again a few months later, same result. Gave up both times within 3 days.
Tried again in the last couple years or so and now it works like a fucking dream for me. I've done this a few times, and I have absulutly no cravings, no fatigue, skin gets extremely clear, focus better, no problems what so ever. I go crazy carbing up on Sunday.
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ketamine
Nice one mars
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Oh yes I did and I enjoyed every mouthful. :P I hate keto, it's the fastest way to lose muscle mass and get all stringy looking. It's not something you can substain either. I have seen people get fatter after going off keto.
I love carbs especially for adding lean muscle mass. I use carb cycling and eat my starchy carbs such as rice at the beginning of the day and then at night switch over to steamed green veges and some source of protein such as fish or chicken. Of course currently I am just eating what ever I like, not being real strict but when I want to be strict I will do my carb cycling. I will not give them up completely, it's muscle and strength suicide!
Wrong-o on losing muscle. Show the proof. Also, there is ZERO proof to that broscience view of eating starchy carbs early and not at night.
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yeah, the headache and mental feeling of weakness will go away after couple days, dont be pussies, cept booty, whos supposed to be one in the first place.
and if youre going very low on bodyfat, you will absolutely feel worn out and tired, no matter the diet method.
dont get too fat, the diet itself wont last as long.
i mean, ffs, a bbuilder can eat tons of shit foods and still have abs, so dont get too fat.
Meow ;D
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Wrong-o on losing muscle. Show the proof. Also, there is ZERO proof to that broscience view of eating starchy carbs early and not at night.
I like booty but sometimes her threads give me a headache, I mean migraine.
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I respectfully disagree with your thesis. I find keto sticks work great. Just don't use them after downing a ton of water and you will not have dilute issues. The headaches are being dramatized in this thread. They go away after a couple days then you feel great. Just natural response to the body withdrawing from something it has had a long time (carbs). I highly recommend keto sticks for anyone going on a ketogenic diet.
I understand, but you just made my point by saying to use the sticks after not downing a ton of water. I went very minimal carbs and could tell I was in ketosis by taste in mouth. After a few days I was full out ketosis. Loved the CKD version. I actually stopped ketogenic because I got tired of the massive amount of carbs needed on the weekend.
I felt stronger when eating so much fat. One thing that MANY do not do is actually eat as much fat that is recommended. Should be 50 - 60% of your calories. Also, MANY try and do the chicken breast thing with egg whites. You do NOT do that on ketogenic.
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true, no need to restrict fat intake while in ketosis.
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true, no need to restrict fat intake while in ketosis.
"I don't get it, I am eating very low carb and it sucks"
"what are you eating, say for a meal"
"6oz chicken breast with some asparagus"
"Adding butter or anything else to that meal"
"Heck no, I am trying to make sure I lose fat"
::)
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I understand, but you just made my point by saying to use the sticks after not downing a ton of water. I went very minimal carbs and could tell I was in ketosis by taste in mouth. After a few days I was full out ketosis. Loved the CKD version. I actually stopped ketogenic because I got tired of the massive amount of carbs needed on the weekend.
I felt stronger when eating so much fat. One thing that MANY do not do is actually eat as much fat that is recommended. Should be 50 - 60% of your calories. Also, MANY try and do the chicken breast thing with egg whites. You do NOT do that on ketogenic.
That's what I did on keto, had very little fat in my diet. I don't like eating alot of fat though in general so I will stick with carb cycling as it works for me.
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I like booty but sometimes her threads give me a headache, I mean migraine.
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Have a wank, orgasms help get rid of migranes. ;D
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I understand, but you just made my point by saying to use the sticks after not downing a ton of water. I went very minimal carbs and could tell I was in ketosis by taste in mouth. After a few days I was full out ketosis. Loved the CKD version. I actually stopped ketogenic because I got tired of the massive amount of carbs needed on the weekend.
I felt stronger when eating so much fat. One thing that MANY do not do is actually eat as much fat that is recommended. Should be 50 - 60% of your calories. Also, MANY try and do the chicken breast thing with egg whites. You do NOT do that on ketogenic.
Everyone I know says the sticks don't work and here is why cause you have to be on no carbs for at least 10 days for you to get accurate measurements from the sticks. Everybody thinks after 4-5 days there is no carbs in the system, but there is and your water intake and your body temperature throws the keytones sticks off. But after 10 days no carbs consistently they start working great
Now as far as dieting is concerned, you don't have to take in fat on no carbs and you don't have to carb load on weekends if you don't want to, you will still burn fat as fast as humanly possible. Simple, no carbs, unlimited amounts of protein and who care how much fat you end up taking in and VOLLA, that's it and you will get absolutely fucken striated every time on this method
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you CAN eat too much protein on a zero carb diet and you CAN eat too much fat on a zero carb diet
calories in need to be less than calories out.
certainly you can eat more calories than you normally would be able to if the majority of them are coming from protein, as protein takes quite a bit of energy to digest and the conversion of protein into an energy source (carbohydrate and fat) is inefficient... but if you eat protein excessively it can stop fat loss. albeit it would be very difficult to gain any fat on a zero carb and zero fat diet no matter how much protein you ate.
also, low carb/no carb/keto diet wont necessarily make you lose muscle so long as protein is sufficient, however if you try training high intensity and high volume and a carb restricted diet its likely you will end up losing some muscle. so when dieting that way make sure to either limite volume or limit intensity (maybe try cycling between the two from workout to workout)
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you CAN eat too much protein on a zero carb diet and you CAN eat too much fat on a zero carb diet
calories in need to be less than calories out.
certainly you can eat more calories than you normally would be able to if the majority of them are coming from protein, as protein takes quite a bit of energy to digest and the conversion of protein into an energy source (carbohydrate and fat) is inefficient... but if you eat protein excessively it can stop fat loss. albeit it would be very difficult to gain any fat on a zero carb and zero fat diet no matter how much protein you ate.
also, low carb/no carb/keto diet wont necessarily make you lose muscle so long as protein is sufficient, however if you try training high intensity and high volume and a carb restricted diet its likely you will end up losing some muscle. so when dieting that way make sure to either limite volume or limit intensity (maybe try cycling between the two from workout to workout)
No you can't, you don't know what you are talking about. You can eat unlimited amounts of protein period. Now with fat of course you have to limit yourself there obviously. Look fuck all the book shit you bring here all the time, this is the real world not text book bull shit. I get people into contest shape, lots of people and some twice a year bro, never have I and never would I ever restrict anyone's protein while getting ready to jump on stage. It's plain stupidity. Makes no sense at all, they are already getting shredded from no carbs why would you restrict their protein, pure dumb
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im not saying that 300, or 400, or even 500 grams of protein will slow inhibit fat loss if your not eating fats or carbs. obviously, 500 grams of protein is only 2000 calories. even a dude with only 150lbs of muscle mass on his frame could easily lose weight on that diet. if you are talking about a bodybuilder carrying 200lbs of lean muscle and working out 4-5 times per week, then obviously they can lose fat on 3000 calories or more.. meaning over 750grams of protein per day.. do you know anybody that will eat that much protein per day ??? ;D ;D but there ARE some idiots who will take your comments about being able to eat unlimited protein and still lose weight and so go out and buy lbs and lbs and lbs of lean steak and gorge themselves on barbecued meats all day long and wonder why they arent losing weight when you said they could have unlimited protein and still burn fat
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im not saying that 300, or 400, or even 500 grams of protein will slow inhibit fat loss if your not eating fats or carbs. obviously, 500 grams of protein is only 2000 calories. even a dude with only 150lbs of muscle mass on his frame could easily lose weight on that diet. if you are talking about a bodybuilder carrying 200lbs of lean muscle and working out 4-5 times per week, then obviously they can lose fat on 3000 calories or more.. meaning over 750grams of protein per day.. do you know anybody that will eat that much protein per day ??? ;D ;D but there ARE some idiots who will take your comments about being able to eat unlimited protein and still lose weight and so go out and buy lbs and lbs and lbs of lean steak and gorge themselves on barbecued meats all day long and wonder why they arent losing weight when you said they could have unlimited protein and still burn fat
Obviously not so why even bother mentioning it. Listen bro I know from experience if you do take 750 grams of protein or even a 1000 grams none of the calories past 500 grams will enter your body, you will be so sick and the protein will come out the other end as pure liquid. Your body doesn't even have enough digestive enzymes to process that amount of protein not to mention the discomfort would be enough to stop you from even eating further so your scenario of '' there is such thing as eating to much protein" doesn't even exist in reality.
and in the case your body does absorb it you would be so clogged up that the next day you wouldn't even be able to eat, trust me eat unlimited amounts of protein and every single person will be fine with this attitude, simple as that.
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your wrong on both of those counts.
back when i was 18 and obsessed with getting lean i once thought the same thing. and let me tell you that yes your body can digest 1000's of grams of protein in one day and yes a person can eat that much and still be hungry. and yes doing so does inhibit fat loss.
which is why i make the point to bring it up. i dont want people reading your posts about unlimited protein and making the mistake of taking it literally and doing the same thing i did, wasting time not getting results cuz they are eating massive amounts of meat all day long.
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your wrong on both of those counts.
back when i was 18 and obsessed with getting lean i once thought the same thing. and let me tell you that yes your body can digest 1000's of grams of protein in one day and yes a person can eat that much and still be hungry. and yes doing so does inhibit fat loss.
which is why i make the point to bring it up. i dont want people reading your posts about unlimited protein and making the mistake of taking it literally and doing the same thing i did, wasting time not getting results cuz they are eating massive amounts of meat all day long.
I never said it couldn't do it once, but every day for 4-5 + days, impossible, if you claim that you are talking smack. In a million years, mark my words you will never ever find someone that is not losing fat on absolutely no carbs cause his protein is to high, I swear on anything. That is the stupidest thing I have ever heard of in my entire life. If you believe that you need a reality check brother, no wonder you will never be shredded cause you don't have a clue of what you are talking about, bro I have been peeled and 100's have been peeled on my directions, I know exactly what I am talking about, I am right,you are wrong. No one will ever stop losing fat on no carbs cause their protein is to high, I can't even believe what I am reading, wow.
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right, im talking smack, i just think its cool to say i was able to be a disgusting glutton looking for a shortcut to losing fat and eating ungodly amounts of meat on a daily basis because im a sucker for instant gratificationa and have an eating disorder.. real cool .. ::)
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right, im talking smack, i just think its cool to say i was able to be a disgusting glutton looking for a shortcut to losing fat and eating ungodly amounts of meat on a daily basis because im a sucker for instant gratificationa and have an eating disorder.. real cool .. ::)
No but you strike me as the type that always lies about what he eats, you obviously eat like shit or you would have been shredded by now and you tell people you eat clean, your result tell a different story so of course you weren't able to lose fat while eating a lot of potein cause you probably eat everything else in sight. You have never ate protein only and no carbs, so don't claim that you have, because you have not or else you would have been shredded.
Try it and come back in 2 months with striated glutes then tell me I was wrong. experience brother experience
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homeboy i lost 100lbs in one summer at the age of 16.. stayed on a no carb diet for three years straight.. went three months straight on zero fat, zero carbs, one small chicken breast every three hourse and 5 lbs of broccoli per day... this was all before i turned 19 and went back to my gluttonous ways after getting on gear.. during those teen years i stayed on stricter diets for longer periods of time than i would guess you could possibly imagine.. once i got on gear i tried dieting a little bit but had gotten back to my past ways... ive always had an eating disorder.. when i was younger i was fat fat fat.. then i got pretty lean by turning my eating disorder into a food-phobia and stayed thay for a few years.. oncce i got back into eating alot i put on weight quuickly.. both muscle and fat (on gear).. and thn i tried dieting.. doing it by eating protein only.. i stuck to only protein for a few months.. but i was eating over a lb of meat every couple hours.. but nothing ese but meat.. i didnt lose any fat whatsoever..
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homeboy i lost 100lbs in one summer at the age of 16.. stayed on a no carb diet for three years straight.. went three months straight on zero fat, zero carbs, one small chicken breast every three hourse and 5 lbs of broccoli per day... this was all before i turned 19 and went back to my gluttonous ways after getting on gear.. during those teen years i stayed on stricter diets for longer periods of time than i would guess you could possibly imagine.. once i got on gear i tried dieting a little bit but had gotten back to my past ways... ive always had an eating disorder.. when i was younger i was fat fat fat.. then i got pretty lean by turning my eating disorder into a food-phobia and stayed thay for a few years.. oncce i got back into eating alot i put on weight quuickly.. both muscle and fat (on gear).. and thn i tried dieting.. doing it by eating protein only.. i stuck to only protein for a few months.. but i was eating over a lb of meat every couple hours.. but nothing ese but meat.. i didnt lose any fat whatsoever..
You didn't stick to protein only, you probably munched on snacks and if you did stick to protein only regardless the amount, then you are the only one in the world who has gotten those results which means you have the worst genetics I have ever seen in the history of mankind. I know a guy who ate double what you ate, he ate 6-8 lb of meat DAILY (fish and chicken breast) and was striated top to bottom with 3% BODYFAT SO YOUR STORY IS BS.
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That's what I did on keto, had very little fat in my diet. I don't like eating alot of fat though in general so I will stick with carb cycling as it works for me.
*sigh* if you had very little fat then you weren't eating a ketogenic diet.
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*sigh* if you had very little fat then you weren't eating a ketogenic diet.
Well yeah. But still I got good results from carb cycling and I need some carbs in my diet. I eat good fats such as salmon, brazil nuts and I supplement with flaxseed oil.
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Everyone I know says the sticks don't work and here is why cause you have to be on no carbs for at least 10 days for you to get accurate measurements from the sticks. Everybody thinks after 4-5 days there is no carbs in the system, but there is and your water intake and your body temperature throws the keytones sticks off. But after 10 days no carbs consistently they start working great
Now as far as dieting is concerned, you don't have to take in fat on no carbs and you don't have to carb load on weekends if you don't want to, you will still burn fat as fast as humanly possible. Simple, no carbs, unlimited amounts of protein and who care how much fat you end up taking in and VOLLA, that's it and you will get absolutely fucken striated every time on this method
With all due respect here, I dieted for a show using CKD...and never once in 13 wks did I ever register more than a trace. Again, with high water intake you won't see ketones on a stick. Limit your water and bingo, ketones appear.
Again, with all due respect, saying you don't have to take in fat on a ketogenic diet is incorrect. Doing the zero fat approach for a few days to spark up some extra fat loss (from caloric drop mind you) helps. As far as the carb load, you don't have to go crazy on it, but the carb load is absolutely an important thing to consider. Numerous benefits to taking in carbs intermittently on a KD. You actually will jump back into ketosis faster the longer you do the intermittent carbing.
Also, unlimited amount of protein? Sorry, not correct. If your calories are set at 2K a day...and you eat veggies and meat and you (somehow) eat enough protein to make it 2500...you wont magically lose fat. That's just not possible.
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With all due respect here, I dieted for a show using CKD...and never once in 13 wks did I ever register more than a trace. Again, with high water intake you won't see ketones on a stick. Limit your water and bingo, ketones appear.
Again, with all due respect, saying you don't have to take in fat on a ketogenic diet is incorrect. Doing the zero fat approach for a few days to spark up some extra fat loss (from caloric drop mind you) helps. As far as the carb load, you don't have to go crazy on it, but the carb load is absolutely an important thing to consider. Numerous benefits to taking in carbs intermittently on a KD. You actually will jump back into ketosis faster the longer you do the intermittent carbing.
Also, unlimited amount of protein? Sorry, not correct. If your calories are set at 2K a day...and you eat veggies and meat and you (somehow) eat enough protein to make it 2500...you wont magically lose fat. That's just not possible.
thats same as me, my friend reads deep purple
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You didn't stick to protein only, you probably munched on snacks and if you did stick to protein only regardless the amount, then you are the only one in the world who has gotten those results which means you have the worst genetics I have ever seen in the history of mankind. I know a guy who ate double what you ate, he ate 6-8 lb of meat DAILY (fish and chicken breast) and was striated top to bottom with 3% BODYFAT SO YOUR STORY IS BS.
Ah, you "know a guy"! That changes everything!
I've also eaten "unlimited protein", i.e., meat only. And I also gained weight. In fact I gained so much that I stopped after two weeks. And yes, it was literally meat only. No snacks (besides other kinds of meat), no sauce. TBH I only ate about 4-5 Lbs per day, which was a bit too expensive.
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Call bullshit if you want, but I get 10x more / harder erections when I eliminate carbs.
Maybe it's cause of booty... I don't know...
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Call bullshit if you want, but I get 10x more / harder erections when I eliminate carbs.
Maybe it's cause of booty... I don't know...
Booty would be giving you headaches migraines and constipation and telling you to cut carbs off NO LATER than 2:23pm daily
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Booty would be giving you headaches migraines and constipation and telling you to cut carbs off NO LATER than 2:23pm daily
hahaahaha!!!
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Here's an easy Keto diet plan to follow for a full year
2 days zero carb---2 days load
3 days zero carb---2 days load
4 days keto---2 days load
5 days keto---2 days load
then
2 days zero carb---2 days load
3 days zero carb---2 days load
4 days keto---2 days load
5 days keto---2 days load
6 days keto---2 days load
then
2 days zero carb---2 days load
3 days zero carb---2 days load
4 days keto---2 days load
5 days keto---2 days load
6 days keto---2 days load
7 days keto---2 days load
then
2 days zero carb---2 days load
3 days zero carb---2 days load
4 days keto---2 days load
5 days keto---2 days load
6 days keto---2 days load
7 days keto---2 days load
8 days keto---2 days load
then
2 days zero carb---2 days load
3 days zero carb---2 days load
4 days keto---2 days load
5 days keto---2 days load
6 days keto---2 days load
7 days keto---2 days load
8 days keto---2 days load
9 days keto---2 days load
then
2 days zero carb---2 days load
3 days zero carb---2 days load
4 days keto---2 days load
5 days keto---2 days load
6 days keto---2 days load
7 days keto---2 days load
8 days keto---2 days load
10 days keto---2 days load
then
2 days zero carb---2 days load
3 days zero carb---2 days load
4 days keto---2 days load
5 days keto---2 days load
6 days keto---2 days load
7 days keto---2 days load
8 days keto---2 days load
9 days keto---2 days load
10 days keto---2 days load
11 days keto---2 days load
then
2 days zero carb---2 days load
3 days zero carb---2 days load
4 days keto---2 days load
5 days keto---2 days load
6 days keto---2 days load
7 days keto---2 days load
8 days keto---2 days load
9 days keto---2 days load
10 days keto---2 days load
11 days keto---2 days load
12 days keto---2 days load
then
2 days zero carb---2 days load
3 days zero carb---2 days load
4 days keto---2 days load
5 days keto---2 days load
6 days keto---2 days load
7 days keto---2 days load
8 days keto---2 days load
9 days keto---2 days load
10 days keto---2 days load
11 days keto---2 days load
12 days keto---2 days load
13 days keto---2 days load
then
2 days zero carb---2 days load
3 days zero carb---2 days load
4 days keto---2 days load
5 days keto---2 days load
6 days keto---2 days load
7 days keto---2 days load
8 days keto---2 days load
9 days keto---2 days load
10 days keto---2 days load
11 days keto---2 days load
12 days keto---2 days load
13 days keto---2 days load
14 days keto---2 days load
then start at the beginning again...Its an absolute piece of cake to follow.
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Another observation, it's much easier to get up earlier in the morning and I feel more rested.
Also, my face is looking much leaner. Almost lean enough to qualify for membership in team lean face.
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With all due respect here, I dieted for a show using CKD...and never once in 13 wks did I ever register more than a trace. Again, with high water intake you won't see ketones on a stick. Limit your water and bingo, ketones appear.
Again, with all due respect, saying you don't have to take in fat on a ketogenic diet is incorrect. Doing the zero fat approach for a few days to spark up some extra fat loss (from caloric drop mind you) helps. As far as the carb load, you don't have to go crazy on it, but the carb load is absolutely an important thing to consider. Numerous benefits to taking in carbs intermittently on a KD. You actually will jump back into ketosis faster the longer you do the intermittent carbing.
Also, unlimited amount of protein? Sorry, not correct. If your calories are set at 2K a day...and you eat veggies and meat and you (somehow) eat enough protein to make it 2500...you wont magically lose fat. That's just not possible.
I agree with your post, but you guys are not understanding what I am saying at all. You said you carb load on weekends and you ate fat so this would not apply to you and you can claim unlimited protein is not true, but you wouldn't know cause you carb load and you eat a lot of fat. No carbs and very little fats under 50 grams daily you could eat as much protein as you want and still get shreddded under these circumstance, try it you will see that I am right I get people shredded like this all the time and they eat as much chicken breast and talipia as humanly possible everyday and get absolutely shredded eating unlimited amounts of protein. Calories in and calories out is a bunch of non-sense your body can burn enormous amounts of calories under the right conditions and the more protein you consume the more calories you burn, simple as that.
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Ah, you "know a guy"! That changes everything!
I've also eaten "unlimited protein", i.e., meat only. And I also gained weight. In fact I gained so much that I stopped after two weeks. And yes, it was literally meat only. No snacks (besides other kinds of meat), no sauce. TBH I only ate about 4-5 Lbs per day, which was a bit too expensive.
Meats have a lot of fat and extra calories, this would not work with unlimited amounts of meat. It works with unlimited amounts of food with protein only like talipia and chicken breast, yes unlimited amounts of these foods cause the more protein you eat the more calories you burn and you are not eating carbs or fats so you will be burning it all and then some
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Another observation, it's much easier to get up earlier in the morning and I feel more rested.
Also, my face is looking much leaner. Almost lean enough to qualify for membership in team lean face.
I've noticed this too. I go to bed sleep and get up actually refreshed and not even wanting or able to nap. Also had a family member comment on how clear my skin is.
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With all due respect here, I dieted for a show using CKD...and never once in 13 wks did I ever register more than a trace. Again, with high water intake you won't see ketones on a stick. Limit your water and bingo, ketones appear.
Again, with all due respect, saying you don't have to take in fat on a ketogenic diet is incorrect. Doing the zero fat approach for a few days to spark up some extra fat loss (from caloric drop mind you) helps. As far as the carb load, you don't have to go crazy on it, but the carb load is absolutely an important thing to consider. Numerous benefits to taking in carbs intermittently on a KD. You actually will jump back into ketosis faster the longer you do the intermittent carbing.
Also, unlimited amount of protein? Sorry, not correct. If your calories are set at 2K a day...and you eat veggies and meat and you (somehow) eat enough protein to make it 2500...you wont magically lose fat. That's just not possible.
Also I have dieted on high fats and low fats while on no carbs and in both case I lost 40lb in 12 weeks so it makes no difference at all. Adding fat to rev your metabolism may work on a natural but makes absolutely no difference when you are on tren, clen and taking half a bottle of ephedrine a day. As for carb loading it is not necessary, it might be helpful to track your progress so you know that you still have big muscle instead of being flat for 12 weeks but it is not necessary. In fact I find that when I dob't carb load my body is fresh to the point that my carb load triples in effect cause I haven't loaded for long time, I can explain this further if anyone wants to know
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Onetimehard is correct, if you eat a nearly zero carb diet you will lose weight regardless of how much protein you eat.
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Onetimehard is correct, if you eat a nearly zero carb diet you will lose weight regardless of how much protein you eat.
Thank you ;)
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Thank you ;)
No, thank you!
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Booty would be giving you headaches migraines and constipation and telling you to cut carbs off NO LATER than 2:23pm daily
No PIP can eat carbs, clean carbs...Clean! And this thing about constipation, fibre is in veges and fruits. So if you are going to go on a keto diet how do you deal with constipation??? I have never experienced it. I always eat plenty of fibrous veges.
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Probably true, would make perfect sense. Anyone who has gone true low carb knows the energy rush you get when your energy source completely switches to burning fat for energy. Along with several other benefits.
Sad but true, I can verify this. You`d think you would be on low energy all the time due to the low carbs, and sure you do sometimes, but after you`ve been on a diet for sometime and have a workout in the gym, you feel more energized than ever. I bet many of you have noticed after you`ve finished a diet and went back to eating carbs, that you were beginning to feel slow, lazy and less focused. The kind of feeling that makes you not want to go off a diet at all. Thats why I ONLY eat very raw carb sources if Im not on a diet like oatmeal, broccoli, brown rice. The more raw and natural the better. I tell you, switching from white rice to brown rice makes a HUGE difference in your (regular) diet, and your well being. If it wasnt for school, Id probably be on low carbs all the time, because it makes you feel better, look better, and not to mention lose the excessive water, which is a big problem with carbs. Every 1 grams of carbs binds 3 cals in the body. So lets say you eat a meal consisted of 100g of carbs. That makes 400 cals just from the carbs and another 300 cals from the water. Being carb sensitiv doesnt help either, it makes you bloated and look fat.
What am I getting at here? Oh yes, carbs are bad, mmmmkaaaaay? ;D
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What about Broccoli? I like Broccoli and all these sites say I can eat a lot of it. The bag of frozen Broccoli says it has 6 carbs per serving?
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What about Broccoli? I like Broccoli and all these sites say I can eat a lot of it. The bag of frozen Broccoli says it has 6 carbs per serving?
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You should be eating brocolli. It's one of the best veges out there. I can eat two whole bunches for dinner....steamed. I love it.
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You should be eating brocolli. It's one of the best veges out there. I can eat two whole bunches for dinner....steamed. I love it.
Thanks Booty, don't get the wrong idea. I'm just doing the Keto thing for an extra boost. I want to look good for our date. ;D
I robably eat a lot like you do. 8)
I usually eat fruit, vegis, and beans like they're going out of style.
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Sad but true, I can verify this. You`d think you would be on low energy all the time due to the low carbs, and sure you do sometimes, but after you`ve been on a diet for sometime and have a workout in the gym, you feel more energized than ever. I bet many of you have noticed after you`ve finished a diet and went back to eating carbs, that you were beginning to feel slow, lazy and less focused. The kind of feeling that makes you not want to go off a diet at all. Thats why I ONLY eat very raw carb sources if Im not on a diet like oatmeal, broccoli, brown rice. The more raw and natural the better. I tell you, switching from white rice to brown rice makes a HUGE difference in your (regular) diet, and your well being. If it wasnt for school, Id probably be on low carbs all the time, because it makes you feel better, look better, and not to mention lose the excessive water, which is a big problem with carbs. Every 1 grams of carbs binds 3 cals in the body. So lets say you eat a meal consisted of 100g of carbs. That makes 400 cals just from the carbs and another 300 cals from the water. Being carb sensitiv doesnt help either, it makes you bloated and look fat.
What am I getting at here? Oh yes, carbs are bad, mmmmkaaaaay? ;D
I'm not sure but I think you meant to say that for every gram of glycogen in the body it holds 3 grams of water.
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Thanks Booty, don't get the wrong idea. I'm just doing the Keto thing for an extra boost. I want to look good for our date. ;D
I robably eat a lot like you do. 8)
I usually eat fruit, vegis, and beans like they're going out of style.
I can't go for a date on no carbs...no energy, too sweet and no life or fire in my eyes! ;D
True story, went on a date with a new guy when I was prepping for my first show and I was really depleted. Had lost 2 kilos that week and it was too much for me. Anyway, after I carbed up on a day full of rice etc I saw him again and he's like "what happened to you?". I said "I had carbs". ;D He preferred me just sitting there like a dead fish on the date apparently.
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I can't go for a date on no carbs...no energy, too sweet and no life or fire in my eyes! ;D
True story, went on a date with a new guy when I was prepping for my first show and I was really depleted. Had lost 2 kilos that week and it was too much for me. Anyway, after I carbed up on a day full of rice etc I saw him again and he's like "what happened to you?". I said "I had carbs". ;D He preferred me just sitting there like a dead fish on the date apparently.
hahahahah!!! ;D
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What about Broccoli? I like Broccoli and all these sites say I can eat a lot of it. The bag of frozen Broccoli says it has 6 carbs per serving?
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Eat raw spinach. Keeps the skin from getting wrinkles.
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What about Broccoli? I like Broccoli and all these sites say I can eat a lot of it. The bag of frozen Broccoli says it has 6 carbs per serving?
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Brokkli (gh15 tribute) is very low in gycemic index and will not cause much insulin release. Plus out of those 6 grams of carbs 2 or 3 of them are probably from fiber which has no effect of blood sugar.
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What about Broccoli? I like Broccoli and all these sites say I can eat a lot of it. The bag of frozen Broccoli says it has 6 carbs per serving?
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One of my favorite "quick fixes" to get into shape quickly is eating ground bison and steamed broccoli. For some reason, that food combination works extremely well for getting me lean very quickly.
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Brokkli (gh15 tribute) is very low in gycemic index and will not cause much insulin release. Plus out of those 6 grams of carbs 2 or 3 of them are probably from fiber which has no effect of blood sugar.
Thank you, good explenation!!! I searched bodybuilding.com and getbig and couldn't find anything. Going to have a bowl of Brokkli before I go back to bed. 8)
One of my favorite "quick fixes" to get into shape quickly is eating ground bison and steamed broccoli. For some reason, that food combination works extremely well for getting me lean very quickly.
Cool, I love bison! It's like beef concentrated!
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I love brocolli and steamed fish with a squeezed lemon or lime over it.
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I love brocolli and steamed fish with a squeezed lemon or lime over it.
Will you be disappointed if I take you to Outback Steakhouse? ???
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Will you be disappointed if I take you to Outback Steakhouse? ???
Bah!...Outback doesn't have teriyaki steak.
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Will you be disappointed if I take you to Outback Steakhouse? ???
I have never been there. We have Hogs Breath here. :P
Tonight I am having turkish food. I am thinking either a falafel roll or a stuffed capsicum and stuffed eggplant. I can't decide.
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I have never been there. We have Hogs Breath here. :P
Tonight I am having turkish food. I am thinking either a falafel roll or a stuffed capsicum and stuffed eggplant. I can't decide.
That sounds good!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Bah!...Outback doesn't have teriyaki steak.
Hmmmmmmmmm... This could be a problem :P
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That sounds good!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I know, it all sounds good. :P I read this thread and now I just want to go on a vege carb binge big time. The capsicum is stuffed with rice.
If I want to be bad I can eat Baklava for dessert.
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I have never been there. We have Hogs Breath here. :P
Tonight I am having turkish food. I am thinking either a falafel roll or a stuffed capsicum and stuffed eggplant. I can't decide.
Outback Steakhouse is a chain based in Florida...they made up the name for the same reason that a New Jersey based ice cream company use the name Hagen Daz...To bring to the mind of customers exotic places.
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Outback Steakhouse is a chain based in Florida...they made up the name for the same reason that a New Jersey based ice cream company use the name Hagen Daz...To bring to the mind of customers exotic places.
I like exotic.
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I know, it all sounds good. :P I read this thread and now I just want to go on a vege carb binge big time. The capsicum is stuffed with rice.
If I want to be bad I can eat Baklava for dessert.
YOU JERK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >:( >:( >:(
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YOU JERK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >:( >:( >:(
Well yeah. I just want to eat all the good food you are missing out on. ;D Exotic, tastey carbs....Mmmmmmmm :P
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Theres lots of carbs in my cum.
Nice try but that's all protein. :D I am on a exotic carb binge tonight.
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I can't go for a date on no carbs...no energy, too sweet and no life or fire in my eyes! ;D
True story, went on a date with a new guy when I was prepping for my first show and I was really depleted. Had lost 2 kilos that week and it was too much for me. Anyway, after I carbed up on a day full of rice etc I saw him again and he's like "what happened to you?". I said "I had carbs". ;D He preferred me just sitting there like a dead fish on the date apparently.
::) spoken like a true bodybuilding douche. Hmm...my guess is thats not the onlyplace you are a dead fish.
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Nice try but that's all protein. :D I am on a exotic carb binge tonight.
No homo, but its not "all protein". Fructose, vitamin C, etc, etc.
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I just ate a whole bag of pink foam shrimps for lunch from marks and spencer it was epic.
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Not to bump this dumb thread again, but I drank a giant glass of apple juice, had an avocado, some beans, and fried chicken and all of a sudden my little bit of muscle has blown back up like the fucking hulk. 8)
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Not to bump this dumb thread again, but I drank a giant glass of apple juice, had an avocado, some beans, and fried chicken and all of a sudden my little bit of muscle has blown back up like the fucking hulk. 8)
Also noticed this from keto. A few months ago I was in ketosis for several weeks then went to my buddies bday party and had the usual keto friendly food but also some Jo Jo potatoes and a slice of birthday (and alcohol) I blew up pretty well.
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Not to bump this dumb thread again, but I drank a giant glass of apple juice, had an avocado, some beans, and fried chicken and all of a sudden my little bit of muscle has blown back up like the fucking hulk. 8)
That's what carbs do.
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you cant do shit on keto youll end up eating 600 grams of fat when your hunger starts truly raging
most wont really experience alot of hunger because your just sitting around and not building up any respectable appetite