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okay...no contest.....Joe Biden destroyed Ryan in this debate tonight...you can't spin this any other way and if you try you have lost total credibility.......he had the facts....and he was on the offensive.....Biden has so much experience and Ryan looked really really lost there....
Biden also helped Obama tremendously.....
I still think Obama will lose.....I don't trust the polls which say Obama is ahead......but Joe Biden did a good job
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LOL!!!!
So a rude arrogant blowhard who acts like a child is a winner now? absurd.
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okay...no contest.....Joe Biden destroyed Ryan in this debate tonight...you can't spin this any other way and if you try you have lost total credibility.......he had the facts....and he was on the offensive.....Biden has so much experience and Ryan looked really really lost there....
Biden also helped Obama tremendously.....
I still think Obama will lose.....I don't trust the polls which say Obama is ahead......but Joe Biden did a good job
Congratulations on stupidest post of the night.
You continually prove that you haven't the faintest fucking idea as to what you're talking about.
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LOL!!!!
So a rude arrogant blowhard who acts like a child is a winner now? absurd.
sigh......have you no shame???.......how can you spin this into a defeat?...it was total and utter destruction
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sigh......have you no shame???.......how can you spin this into a defeat?...it was total and utter destruction
The dick sucking crack baby is trying too hard.
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Congratulations on stupidest post of the night.
You continually prove that you haven't the faintest fucking idea as to what you're talking about.
again./...you show up in a thread with insults and no substance to offer..good job....keep up the good work..at least you didn't call me a puta like you usually do.....sigh............. .... :-\
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sigh......have you no shame???.......how can you spin this into a defeat?...it was total and utter destruction
Biden lied about lybia, lied about obamacare, lied about medicare, etc.
See that is the problem w you leftists, you dont give a shit about anything but vapid appearances
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Biden lied about lybia, lied about obamacare, lied about medicare, etc.
See that is the problem w you leftists, you dont give a shit about anything but vapid appearances
He's a 50-year-old college student. Vapid appearances are all he knows.
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Remember Andre posting endlessly moronic "333 ass kicking continues... with some current event which had blown up in Obama's face as the topic==>
Par for the course.
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The dick sucking crack baby is trying too hard.
Jesus ...this thread is for intellectuals......leave if you have nothing to offer.....wow
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Remember Andre posting endlessly moronic "333 ass kicking continues... with some current event which had blown up in Obama's face as the topic==>
Par for the course.
another guy who usually shows up with nothing to offer.....
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Remember Andre posting endlessly moronic "333 ass kicking continues... with some current event which had blown up in Obama's face as the topic==>
Par for the course.
Haha, they were gold. What's even funnier is how he disappears for a month every time one of those threads blows up in his face. Not only he is a dick sucking crack baby, but he's a little bitch, too.
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CNN Poll on debate winner: Ryan 48%, Biden 44%
Posted by
CNN Political Unit
(CNN) – A CNN poll of debate watchers released following Thursday's matchup between Rep. Paul Ryan and Vice President Joe Biden showed 48% of respondents named Ryan the winner and 44% said Biden won.
The margin between the two candidates was within the poll's five point sampling error.
A poll taken immediately after last week's first presidential debate showed a much more decisive victory for Mitt Romney. Sixty seven percent of debate watchers questioned said that the Republican nominee won the faceoff, with one in four saying that President Barack Obama was victorious.
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it was a draw, biden acted like an ass and that will turn off independents.
ryan acted like like grown up.
both made their base happy
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okay...no contest.....Joe Biden destroyed Ryan in this debate tonight...you can't spin this any other way and if you try you have lost total credibility.......he had the facts....and he was on the offensive.....Biden has so much experience and Ryan looked really really lost there....
Biden also helped Obama tremendously.....
I still think Obama will lose.....I don't trust the polls which say Obama is ahead......but Joe Biden did a good job
What manner of crack are you smoking? Biden yelled and screamed; but his words were as hollow as a beach ball. And, when Ryan hit him with his (and Obama's record)....CRICKETS!!!
Biden's job was basically to yelp all the talking points that the left felt Obama neglected to mention last week, while Romney was splitting his head to the white meat.
He did just that; unfortunately, Ryan had only to again hit Biden with the record and it was "game over".
There was hardly any destruction involved. At best, Biden talked some hard lefties off the ledge.
But, since we all know that you don't vote #2 on the tickets, odds are this does little to stop Romney's win from last week. Just take a look at the RCP electoral map. In just a week, 4 states that were leaning Obama got moved back to "toss up". Obama is barely above 200 now. Biden's ranting likely won't change that.
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@CNBC: [POLL RESULTS] Who do you think won the VP Debate? Paul Ryan: 56%, Joe Biden: 36%, Neither: 8%.
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LOL @ you guys using CNN and CNBC as credible sources... because you agree with them.
When new CNN polls come out showing Romney trailing in Ohio, you'll call them MSM lies. Which is it? Creidble some of the time?
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LIVE Fact Check: The Joe Biden Lie Detector
by Joel B. Pollak11 Oct 2012, 2:00
Welcome to the Joe Biden Lie Detector - we'll be updating this post throughout the debate and the aftermath. You can also follow along on Twitter for updates and spin-off debates by searching for #BidenLieDetector.
5:00 p.m EDT
Long before the Vice Presidential debate began, the Obama campaign tried to smear Rep. Paul Ryan as a liar. It's a "low-rent" tactic, an attempt to avoid debate--and a lie in itself, since Ryan is one of the most honest politicians in America. It's also a classic case of psychological projection--since Vice President Biden has been a master of malarkey his whole life, and lied his way through the 2008 debate against Gov. Sarah Palin.
Tonight, Biden has promised to do better. He told reporters yesterday that he would not say "anything in the debate that's not completely accurate." So, we're going to hold Uncle Joe to that 100% standard. Stay tuned.
7:55 p.m. EDT
The Obama campaign has been sending fundraising e-mails all day describing Paul Ryan as dishonest and touting Joe Biden's truth-telling--all while subtly lowering expectations for the debate. The latest one, sent under Joe Biden's own name, begins as follows:
Friend --
I told Barack I have one mission tonight: tell the truth and stand up for what we believe in.
Our side is always going to win when we do that.
It continues:
I can't predict if Paul Ryan will follow Mitt Romney's lead tonight, hiding and flat-out denying their unpopular ideas, or if he'll come prepared to have a real debate about where this country should go.
Trust me, I'm ready for anything, but I can't do this alone....
One of the reasons President Barack Obama lost last week's debate was that Gov. Mitt Romney called him out on the Obama campaign's lie about Romney's "$5 trillion" tax cut. But it's Romney and Ryan who are the liars?
More than an hour to go until the debate--and Biden's lying already.
9:07 p.m. EDT
Biden turns a question on Libya into an answer on Iraq and Afghanistan. He attacks Romney for saying that we should have left 30,000 troops in Iraq. That was roughly Obama's position in the 2008 campaign. His abrupt decision to pull all troops out--after the collapse of talks with the Iraqi government, in which Biden himself failed in his diplomacy--was against the advice of America's military leaders and was purely political.
9:12 p.m. EDT
Biden says that President Obama has "gone out and repaired out alliances so that the rest of the world follows that again." Tell that to Poland, Libya, the Czech Republic... he follows up that lie with a stark accusation that Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan "bet against America all the time."
Challenged by the moderator to explain the Libya debacle, Biden claims that the administration did not know that the attack on the consulate was a terror attack, repeating the administration's false line on Libya. And doing so with conviction.
Ryan calls Biden on his lie about how there were no requests for extra security--though he does not address Biden directly.
9:15 p.m. EDT
Biden lies about Romney and Ryan's position on Iran, saying that sanctions are as strong as they can possibly be (of course they are, if you ignore the waivers for Russia and China, and the fact--alluded to by Ryan--that the administration dragged its feet on sanctions). He states that Romney and Ryan would not do more than the Obama administration--and suggests that they would drag the U.S. into a war.
Responding on Israel, Biden tries to defend Obama's failure to meet Netanyahu, calling Ryan's charge of neglect "a bunch of stuff"--though it is, of course, true.
9:27 p.m. EDT
Biden claims the Obama administration rescued the auto industry, and that Romney said the auto companies should be allowed to go bankrupt. He neglects the fact that the Obama administration, too, took the industry through bankruptcy--after making sure its union friends were well looked after.
Biden also claims the administration passed a "middle class tax cut"--there was no such cut, at least in terms of tax rates, which is how the term "tax cut" is typically understood.
Biden goes after Ryan's "30%" argument--as Breitbart News predicted he would--and leaves out what Ryan actually said. It's an attack by proxy on Romney's "47 percent" remark--and falls rather flat.
9:29 p.m. EDT
The GOP rapid response team replies to Biden's claim that Ryan would have cut funding for embassy security by citing State Department testimony that budgetary constraints had nothing to do with the security deployments in Benghazi. As Ryan said, it was the specific denial of requests for more security personnel that were the problem. Both could also have added that Obama's sequester proposal calls for embassy security cuts.
9:35 p.m. EDT
Biden claims that Ryan and his Republican colleagues helped create the deficit problem by voting for two wars on the "credit card." Biden, of course, voted for both of those wars.
Biden also tries to blunt Ryan's criticism of the stimulus by citing two letters that he wrote in support of grant seekers from his congressional district. He claims that Ryan praised the stimulus program and cited its potential for growth in those letters. There is no evidence that Ryan said any such thing.
9:37 p.m. EDT
Biden claims that Sarah Palin spoke about "death panels" in their Vice Presidential debate in 2008. A quick look at the transcript reveals she did no such thing.
9:41 p.m. EDT
Biden can't handle the truth--he says "there's not one Democrat" that supports Ryan's Medicare reform plan. He denies that Ryan worked with Sen. Ron Wyden (D-OR) or former Clinton budget director Alice Rivlin. He mutters throughout Ryan's response that they have disavowed Ryan's plan. There is no evidence of that at all.
9:45 p.m. EDT
Biden misrepresents his and Obama's tax plan, citing it as a tax on "millionaires" that would preserve tax cuts for the middle class. Of course, the tax hike would apply to households earning $250,000 or more, which includes many of the people who report small business income as personal income tax, and account for millions of jobs. This is an old lie, and Biden sticks to it.
9:48 p.m. EDT
Not a point on facts, but on style--Biden used his stature well earlier in the debate but appears to be damaging himself with his constant smirks, his interruptions, his chuckles and his general contempt for his opponent. This is a mistake that Al Gore made in 2000, and it's surprising to see Biden doing it here. It's losing the debate for him.
9:51 p.m. EDT
50 minutes into the debate, and Biden has used the word "malarkey" twice at least, by my count. It's the "tell" that indicates who's really lying.
9:57 p.m. EDT
It's getting hard to keep track of the false things Biden says--and the number of true statements by Ryan to which Biden has offered false objections--because of the frequency of his interruptions. The moderator, Martha Raddatz, just teamed up with Biden to prevent Ryan from answering a question about his budget. It was an extraordinary exchange--or harangue--in which Ryan waited for his opponent to stop ranting.
Ryan could win on composure alone.
Biden's behavior may impress the Ed Schultz's of the world, or people who think that he had to compensate for Obama's poor substance last week by coming out with an aggressive style. But Biden has overcompensated, and many of the media comments on Twitter seem very worried about that.
10:01 p.m. EDT
Ryan calls out Biden's false statement that the U.S. succeeding in its primary objective in Afghanistan. This is exactly what CBS News' Lara Logan was talking about earlier this week when she said that the administration was lying about the progress it has made.
10:06 p.m. EDT
Biden is touting the devolution of military responsibility to "trained Afghan personnel" as evidence that the U.S. is succeeding. This is not just a false argument, but a stupid one, because of the striking increase in "green-on-blue" attacks in which those trained Afghan personnel kill our trained American personnel.
10:10 p.m. EDT
Biden says that Romney has not outlined his policy towards Syria, accusing him of offering mere "verbiage." Perhaps he's been too deep into reading Ryan's Young Guns this week to notice that Romney outlined specific policies towards Syria in a special foreign policy address on Monday.
10:15 p.m. EDT
Biden persists with the false claim that Romney and Ryan have not spelled out what they would do differently on foreign policy issues such as Syria. Ryan, exasperated, repeats what he said about refusing to call Syrian dictator Bashar Assad a "reformer" while he is slaughtering his people--and adds, while agreeing with some of what the Obama administration has done, that he would not wait for Russia to give the green light at the UN. Biden's response is that no one is looking to do things through the UN--a blatant lie. The UN is at the center of the Obama administration's foreign policy--on Syria. Libya, and much else besides.
10:19 p.m. EDT
"That is a fact," Biden says, as he concludes his lie about the Obama administration's position on religious institutions being forced to provide insurance to cover conception.
He then adds a line about Ryan supporting a definition of "forcible rape" as opposed to "rape"--an attempt to tie Ryan to Todd Akin in Missouri, and also a lie that we debunked back in August.
10:23 p.m. EDT
Given an opportunity to rise above the negativity of the campaign, Biden merely repeats the Obama machine's attack line--including the lie that Romney and Ryan would not ask the rich to pay their fair share. In fact, the rich already pay a disproportionate amount of tax--disproportionate even to their disproportionate wealth--and yet Romney and Ryan are not lowering their taxes.
10:27 p.m. EDT
Biden attacks Ryan's budgets with a series of lies about the programs and funding that will be cut, as well as tax cuts that he proposes. Ryan points out that his budget does not actually cut government spending, but slows the rate of growth to 3%. He adds that not raising taxes is not the same thing as cutting taxes. Biden uses the line about voting for wars that were not paid for--and Ryan points out, amidst the crosstalk, that Biden voted for those wars.
10:29 p.m. EDT
Biden has complained--for the third or fourth time--that he is not receiving as much time to speak as Ryan. In fact, as CNN's debate clock shows, Biden has had more time--over a minute more, in fact, and he has never had less time than Ryan throughout the debate.
10:34 p.m. EDT
Biden has, once again, lied through a debate--and he has also managed to smirk through it, betraying a contempt for his opponent that is almost disqualifying and that managed to outrage even friendly media.
10:50 p.m. EDT
The media commentary is focusing on two major Biden lies: one, that the Obama administration was never asked for more security in Benghazi (it was, as we now know from testimony to Congress this week); and two, that Obamacare's cuts to Medicare do not cut benefits (they do, as Ryan pointed out in his response).
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LOL @ you guys using CNN and CNBC as credible sources... because you agree with them.
When new CNN polls come out showing Romney trailing in Ohio, you'll call them MSM lies. Which is it? Creidble some of the time?
but you cite MSNBC as your source?
hahaha strap that helmet on tight there cracker jack!!!!
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Ryan Wins CNN's Poll of Undecided Likely Voters, 48-44%
Also Wins on Likability, Ryan 53% Biden 43%
AP Poll: Ryan 51%, Biden 43%
Ok so thats 3.....andre shoot yourself now.
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:D
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LOL @ you guys using CNN and CNBC as credible sources... because you agree with them.
When new CNN polls come out showing Romney trailing in Ohio, you'll call them MSM lies. Which is it? Creidble some of the time?
EXACTLY!!
Unlike you, we don't give polls credibility for indefinite periods of time. We actually ANALYZE them. And when a poll sample WAY MORE DEMOCRATS than it does Republicans (notice how you almost never see oversampling of polls in the GOP's favor at CNN.....or anywhere else), it's quite easy to point out.
The same goes for Rasmussen or any other pollster.
Ryan Wins CNN's Poll of Undecided Likely Voters, 48-44%
Also Wins on Likability, Ryan 53% Biden 43%
AP Poll: Ryan 51%, Biden 43%
Ok so thats 3.....andre shoot yourself now.
Well, I was about to say that, I've seen three polls thus far; two of them cite Ryan as the winner. Now, thanks to the date you've just presented, it's 3 of 4.
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Haha, they were gold. What's even funnier is how he disappears for a month every time one of those threads blows up in his face. Not only he is a dick sucking crack baby, but he's a little bitch, too.
amazing...you just keep going on and on...again with nothing to offer..keep going..you're doing a good job of proving me right...also...whats with your obsession with dick-sucking???...keep your desires to yourself
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amazing...you just keep going on and on...again with nothing to offer..keep going..you're doing a good job of proving me right...also...whats with your obsession with dick-sucking???...keep your desires to yourself
Try to explain why three of four polls we've seen to date have Ryan winning the debate.
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Try to explain why three of four polls we've seen to date have Ryan winning the debate.
all well and good..but something tells me if the same three polls said that Biden won the debate, you would be railing against them saying that its a conspiracy of the left wing media
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all well and good..but something tells me if the same three polls said that Biden won the debate, you would be railing against them saying that its a conspiracy of the left wing media
You're the one with the thread, claiming Biden destroyed. If the polls actually supported your claim, you wouldn't look so silly by saying such mess.
When you can easily point out an error in a poll, you do so. Oversampling Dems in areas where their turnout isn't normally as high as that poll's makeup is SCREAMS of biased reporting.
So once again, please explain why three of these four polls, reported so far, have RYAN as the winner.
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LOL @ you guys using CNN and CNBC as credible sources... because you agree with them.
When new CNN polls come out showing Romney trailing in Ohio, you'll call them MSM lies. Which is it? Creidble some of the time?
muther fucking bump...especially for 3333..
consistency...do you speak it
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Try to explain why three of four polls we've seen to date have Ryan winning the debate.
oversampling repubs, by their own admission
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oversampling repubs, by their own admission
As stated earlier, CNN's normal viewership, per a Pew poll of 2009, is 51% Dem, 18% GOP, 27% independent. Do you actually think that is a breakdown of the country at large?
31% Dem ad 33% Republican is closer to what the makeup of this country is, politically speaking.
When we talk about oversampling, we are talking about breakdowns via state and/or by the country, overall, not CNN's normal viewership.
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okay...no contest.....Joe Biden destroyed Ryan in this debate tonight...you can't spin this any other way and if you try you have lost total credibility.......he had the facts....and he was on the offensive.....Biden has so much experience and Ryan looked really really lost there....
Biden also helped Obama tremendously.....
I still think Obama will lose.....I don't trust the polls which say Obama is ahead......but Joe Biden did a good job
I don't agree with you about Obama losing, but everything else you hit the nail on the head. Joe Biden tapped that ass last night.
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I don't agree with you about Obama losing, but everything else you hit the nail on the head. Joe Biden tapped that ass last night.
Wishful thinking as usual. Four polls released; THREE have Ryan as the winner.
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I don't agree with you about Obama losing, but everything else you hit the nail on the head. Joe Biden tapped that ass last night.
I just think the polls which have Obama ahead are suspect....I am for Obama but I have to admit there is a real feeling in the country right now that there is time for a change....Romney will be the wrong type of change but the country will get what it deserves
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I just think the polls which have Obama ahead are suspect....I am for Obama but I have to admit there is a real feeling in the country right now that there is time for a change....Romney will be the wrong type of change but the country will get what it deserves
Go to RCP - collapse underway.
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You're the one with the thread, claiming Biden destroyed. If the polls actually supported your claim, you wouldn't look so silly by saying such mess.
When you can easily point out an error in a poll, you do so. Oversampling Dems in areas where their turnout isn't normally as high as that poll's makeup is SCREAMS of biased reporting.
So once again, please explain why three of these four polls, reported so far, have RYAN as the winner.
hey..I'm just happy that you have finally come around and that you see CNN as a credible source......I'll remember this when you next rail against the "left wing media"
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hey..I'm just happy that you have finally come around and that you see CNN as a credible source......I'll remember this when you next rail against the "left wing media"
hahahaha good point, now the pole they site is over sampling and it's no big deal :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D you can't make this shit up
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I don't think Biden destroyed Ryan but he definitely won the debate and at times he made Ryan look like a child
This debate served the purpose of getting Dems who were demoralized from Obama's lackluster performance to get motivated again
In the end this debate won't matter one bit
the last two Presidential debates are all that matter now and of course getting people to actually vote
I expect that Obama will be more aggressive in the next two debates
I think the moderator of this debate did a very good job. She knew her shit on the topics and did a decent job with follow up questions and also of keeping them on track with getting to each topic on the agenda
btw - did anyone catch the weird way that Ryan "recited" his obviously very carefully scripted answer on abortion
The message of course being that the the Romney/Ryan agenda would be to overturn Roe v Wade and have each state impose their own limits on abortion with their obvious preferred choice being the total outlaw of abortion in all circumstances
Yes, they want to government off your back and out of your lives except in cases where they want the government to totally control your lives on issues that they belive in
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I don't think Biden destroyed Ryan but he definitely won the debate and at times he made Ryan look like a child
This debate served the purpose of getting Dems who were demoralized from Obama's lackluster performance to get motivated again
In the end this debate won't matter one bit
the last two Presidential debates are all that matter now and of course getting people to actually vote
I expect that Obama will be more aggressive in the next two debates
I think the moderator of this debate did a very good job. She knew her shit on the topics and did a decent job with follow up questions and also of keeping them on track with getting to each topic on the agenda
btw - did anyone catch the weird way that Ryan "recited" his obviously very carefully scripted answer on abortion
The message of course being that the the Romney/Ryan agenda would be to overturn Roe v Wade and have each state impose their own limits on abortion with their obvious preferred choice being the total outlaw of abortion in all circumstances
Yes, they want to government off your back and out of your lives except in cases where they want the government to totally control your lives on issues that they belive in
good post.....good job
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good post.....good job
Womens' ability to legally kill their children is not going anywhere relax.
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Womens' ability to legally kill their children is not going anywhere relax.
I think your mother wishes she had that choice way back when :D
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I think your mother wishes she had that choice way back when :D
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Womens' ability to legally kill their children is not going anywhere relax.
who mentioned being able to legally kill a child
if that were the case I'm sure your mother would have snuffed you out a long time ago
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5 times bigger in population
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who mentioned being able to legally kill a child
if that were the case I'm sure your mother would have snuffed you out a long time ago
I beat you to it! :)
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I beat you to it! :)
yep, didn't see it
also wanted to point out how right wingers like to pretend a fertilized egg is the same thing as a fully formed "child"
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yep, didn't see it
also wanted to point out how right wingers like to pretend a fertilized egg is the same thing as a fully formed "child"
Biden said he believes life begins at conception last night too jack ass
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hahahaha good point, now the pole they site is over sampling and it's no big deal :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D you can't make this shit up
That poll is not oversampling Republicans...it's consistent with party affiliation in America today. In comparison to other CNN polls, it has more Republican representation...but that simply means that CNN usually oversamples Democrats. How is this so hard for some of you to get?
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That poll is not oversampling Republicans...it's consistent with party affiliation in America today. In comparison to other CNN polls, it has more Republican representation...but that simply means that CNN usually oversamples Democrats. How is this so hard for some of you to get?
These are the same goofballs who believed the exit polls when Walker got re-elected in Wisconsin over the actual election results once the votes were tallied up .
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Biden said he believes life begins at conception last night too jack ass
and also said that was his CHOICE and he doesn't have the right to make that choice for others....JACK ASS
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That poll is not oversampling Republicans...it's consistent with party affiliation in America today. In comparison to other CNN polls, it has more Republican representation...but that simply means that CNN usually oversamples Democrats. How is this so hard for some of you to get?
that's interesting
where did you get this info
some states, such as Virginia, don't require voters to register by party
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http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/archive/mood_of_america_archive/partisan_trends/summary_of_party_affiliation
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http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/archive/mood_of_america_archive/partisan_trends/summary_of_party_affiliation
This is why the polls are not rapidly going to romney. The fake polls the media was using a few weeks ago used ridiculous sampling data. Now they have to use likly voters and realistic models.
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http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/archive/mood_of_america_archive/partisan_trends/summary_of_party_affiliation
and 29% "other" most of whom will eventually vote for one of the two major parties which kind of makes the claim of either party having the majority of members murky at best
I've never seen any proof that pollster seek out or skew their data toward one party of the other although Rassmussen does have allegations of a conservative bias as do others for the left
Personally, I don't know of any group that has the full facts on which party has more members
The most definitive poll I know is the nation election that we have every 4 years
We'll know the answer to that question in a little less than a month
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jesus christ can you be any more of a desperate moron
I'm sure we'll discover that the answer to that question is yes
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hey..I'm just happy that you have finally come around and that you see CNN as a credible source......I'll remember this when you next rail against the "left wing media"
Again, you have NOT answered the question as to why the polls DO NOT agree with your assertion of yesterday's debate (which is the topic of your thread).
And, I've already explained the CNN thing.
That poll is not oversampling Republicans...it's consistent with party affiliation in America today. In comparison to other CNN polls, it has more Republican representation...but that simply means that CNN usually oversamples Democrats. How is this so hard for some of you to get?
EXACTLY!!
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yep, didn't see it
also wanted to point out how right wingers like to pretend a fertilized egg is the same thing as a fully formed "child"
QFT,,,,,they also believe the earth is 6000 years old and was created in 6 days.....
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This is why the polls are not rapidly going to romney. The fake polls the media was using a few weeks ago used ridiculous sampling data. Now they have to use likly voters and realistic models.
it is really amazing on this board how you right-wingers discredit polls when they favor Obama and then cheer the same polls given by the same organizations when they favor Romney......you guys say CNN and other news organizations are garbage and biased...then when they agree with you, you cite them as sources.....when the UE is going up, you guys cite this as proof Obama's policies aren't working...but when the UE rate favors Obama, all of a sudden the numbers are faked
and the worse thing is that you guys don't see the hypocrisy in all this and deny that you are biased...INCREDIBLE
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Again, you have NOT answered the question as to why the polls DO NOT agree with your assertion of yesterday's debate (which is the topic of your thread).
And, I've already explained the CNN thing.
EXACTLY!!
I don't have to answer that question because I DO NOT challenge the accuracy of the polls.....Saying that Biden won is MY ASSERTION......I accept the CNN polls......I am not like you who only agrees with CNN when they agree with you....but then rails against them when they don't...I ACCEPT THE NUMBERS.....just as I accept the UE numbers which you DON'T of course because they don't back up your opinion....
its amazing you don't see your own hypocrisy
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I don't have to answer that question because I DO NOT challenge the accuracy of the polls.....Saying that Biden won is MY ASSERTION......I accept the CNN polls......I am not like you who only agrees with CNN when they agree with you....but then rails against them when they don't...I ACCEPT THE NUMBERS.....just as I accept the UE numbers which you DON'T of course because they don't back up your opinion....
its amazing you don't see your own hypocrisy
Nothing amazing, it's called par for the course.
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it is really amazing on this board how you right-wingers discredit polls when they favor Obama and then cheer the same polls given by the same organizations when they favor Romney......you guys say CNN and other news organizations are garbage and biased...then when they agree with you, you cite them as sources.....when the UE is going up, you guys cite this as proof Obama's policies aren't working...but when the UE rate favors Obama, all of a sudden the numbers are faked
and the worse thing is that you guys don't see the hypocrisy in all this and deny that you are biased...INCREDIBLE
We've been saying for MONTHS (some of us for YEARS) that the UE numbers don't reflect the entire story of people struggling for work.
For you to play dumb and pretend that we only brought it up, when unemployment went under 8% is downright laughable.
The story's the same: The real scenario is FAR WORSE than what the UE numbers paint. And, since Obama and his crew claimed unemployment WAS NEVER SUPPOSED TO EXCEED 8% IN THE FIRST PLACE, the only thing "amazing" is how you left-wingers want to break out the party favors, when the number stopped being over a mark it was never to exceed....after a mere 44 months.
Your own threads betray you. You were jumping around, doing cartwheels, and poking at 333386 when the job numbers were HIGHER (in the 200,000s), even when UE was higher.
Yet, you're delusional enough to think that a measley 141,000 jobs in August and 114,000 jobs in September is enough to bring unemployment from 8.3 to 7.8? That's kneepadding personified.
As for the polls reflecting Romney's lead, that should have TK members like you guzzling Maalox by the gallon. If these polls are oversampling Democrats in certain states yet still giving Romney the lead, that means, if the state's demographics are close to being even, Obama's going to get KILLED (especially when you factor the independents, who almost always break away from the incumbent to the challenger).
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I don't have to answer that question because I DO NOT challenge the accuracy of the polls.....Saying that Biden won is MY ASSERTION......I accept the CNN polls......I am not like you who only agrees with CNN when they agree with you....but then rails against them when they don't...I ACCEPT THE NUMBERS.....just as I accept the UE numbers which you DON'T of course because they don't back up your opinion....
its amazing you don't see your own hypocrisy
When you advertise that unemployment won't exceed 8%, if your policies are enacted, yet it stays over 8% for over THREE AND A HALF YEARS, that means your policies HAVE FAILED.
What part of that don't you understand?
When you advertised that you need a certain amount of jobs just to keep the UE numbers static, yet the number gets lower DESPITE the job additions not coming anywhere NEAR that minimum threshold, you KNOW that something else is responsible for the UE number dropping.
If the rate dropped from 8.2 to 8.1 after August adding 141,000 jobs, with nearly ALL the news sources stating that it's due mainly to people giving up looking for work, what are we to make of a drop from 8.1 to 7.8 with FEWER JOBS added in September than in August?
Of course, I've only asked you that question at least TWICE; yet you make excuses for not answering it.
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Let's get right down to it-- Liberalism has been proven; not argued, not debated-- but proven to be a failure in terms of practical, real world application.
Higher taxes do not create jobs.
More regulation does not create jobs.
More spending does not create jobs.
Central planning by the government over the private sector does not grow the economy or create jobs.
Forcing the private sectors hand through veiled threats about government intervention-- IE The housing market, backwards EPA regulations and class warfare rhetoric will ONLY lead to economic disaster.
Government meddling in the private sector by bailout, takeover, tax payer subsidy or otherwise does not help the economy.
Printing more money does not strengthen the economy.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ These are all facts. Not opinions, but FACTS.
What does Osama and his mentally unbalanced buffoon of a VP want to do for four more years? More of the same garbage.
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To add...the "Bush tax cuts" did not tank the economy.
Obama didn't "save" General Motors. The company is worth less than half what we put into it.
Barney Frank had more to do with the housing collapse than "Wall Street"
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When you advertise that unemployment won't exceed 8%, if your policies are enacted, yet it stays over 8% for over THREE AND A HALF YEARS, that means your policies HAVE FAILED.
What part of that don't you understand?
When you advertised that you need a certain amount of jobs just to keep the UE numbers static, yet the number gets lower DESPITE the job additions not coming anywhere NEAR that minimum threshold, you KNOW that something else is responsible for the UE number dropping.
If the rate dropped from 8.2 to 8.1 after August adding 141,000 jobs, with nearly ALL the news sources stating that it's due mainly to people giving up looking for work, what are we to make of a drop from 8.1 to 7.8 with FEWER JOBS added in September than in August?
Of course, I've only asked you that question at least TWICE; yet you make excuses for not answering it.
I don't answer it because as I have said you never admit when you are wrong and so that means no answer will ever satisfy you and I don't feel like going in circles....you stick to your assertion and I will stick to mine..lets leave it at that...there is no true debate on this board since you conservatives never ever admit that you are wrong about anything...so lets just leave it at that....
I win anyway because anyone associated with 3333 is a loser and the fact that you guys NEVER EVER criticize his facts even when they are wacky and way out there is proof that this isn't serious debate on this board....and that you guys are just willing to jump on board of anything that is critical of Obama
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I don't answer it because as I have said you never admit when you are wrong and so that means no answer will ever satisfy you and I don't feel like going in circles....you stick to your assertion and I will stick to mine..lets leave it at that...there is no true debate on this board since you conservatives never ever admit that you are wrong about anything...so lets just leave it at that....
I win anyway because anyone associated with 3333 is a loser and the fact that you guys NEVER EVER criticize his facts even when they are wacky and way out there is proof that this isn't serious debate on this board....and that you guys are just willing to jump on board of anything that is critical of Obama
STFU. You know ZILCH about polling methods.
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I don't answer it because as I have said you never admit when you are wrong and so that means no answer will ever satisfy you and I don't feel like going in circles....you stick to your assertion and I will stick to mine..lets leave it at that...there is no true debate on this board since you conservatives never ever admit that you are wrong about anything...so lets just leave it at that....
I win anyway because anyone associated with 3333 is a loser and the fact that you guys NEVER EVER criticize his facts even when they are wacky and way out there is proof that this isn't serious debate on this board....and that you guys are just willing to jump on board of anything that is critical of Obama
Lame excuses flow from your pathetic posts, yet again, Andre. Do you think I actually care whether someone admits to being wrong, when I post stuff that clearly counters their claims? There are people who won't admit that Obama got the taste slapped out his mouth in Denver. That doesn't stop me from posting that such occurred.
You're running from the question, as too many of the TK members here do, because YOU can't admit when you're wrong.
Your whimpering also shows that you don't keep up here. 333386 and I don't agree on every subject or on every candidate. But, we know abject failure when we see it and it's oozing out of Obama.
Have YOU admitted you're wrong, about our not criticizing the unemployment number, until it went under 8% (despite all the evidence, we've shown stating that we've been doing such for MONTHS)?
Have YOU admitted you're wrong, about the way we criticize the polls, even though we've shown exactly where the bias lies and actually LOOK INTO THE METHODOLOGY, before we give them any credence?
The bottom line is you're afraid to answer my question, because it implodes that hopey-changey bubble of yours, showing that Obama isn't kicking anyone's backside. If anything, Obama is getting the first-class trip to the woodshed. It started October 3rd and may continue through November 6.
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Let's get right down to it-- Liberalism has been proven; not argued, not debated-- but proven to be a failure in terms of practical, real world application.
Higher taxes do not create jobs.
More regulation does not create jobs.
More spending does not create jobs.
Central planning by the government over the private sector does not grow the economy or create jobs.
Forcing the private sectors hand through veiled threats about government intervention-- IE The housing market, backwards EPA regulations and class warfare rhetoric will ONLY lead to economic disaster.
Government meddling in the private sector by bailout, takeover, tax payer subsidy or otherwise does not help the economy.
Printing more money does not strengthen the economy.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ These are all facts. Not opinions, but FACTS.
What does Osama and his mentally unbalanced buffoon of a VP want to do for four more years? More of the same garbage.
Well we had conservatism for 8 years and we went from a surplus to a freefall deficit.
Ideology has nothing to do with the economy, shithead.
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This is why the polls are not rapidly going to romney. The fake polls the media was using a few weeks ago used ridiculous sampling data. Now they have to use likly voters and realistic models.
Look at the numbers from 2008. That's where the huge gap, favoring Democrats from 5 to 10 points, was. The media has been assuming that such will be the case this year, despite the numbers from 2010 and 2011, saying otherwise.
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and 29% "other" most of whom will eventually vote for one of the two major parties which kind of makes the claim of either party having the majority of members murky at best
I've never seen any proof that pollster seek out or skew their data toward one party of the other although Rassmussen does have allegations of a conservative bias as do others for the left
Personally, I don't know of any group that has the full facts on which party has more members
The most definitive poll I know is the nation election that we have every 4 years
We'll know the answer to that question in a little less than a month
But, if that 29% sits out or (as has been the case in other elections) breaks for the challenger, Obama is in BIG trouble.
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Well we had conservatism for 8 years and we went from a surplus to a freefall deficit.
Ideology has nothing to do with the economy, shithead.
You had a surplus thanks to demographics....tax and welfare reform in 96/97....and a Republican Congress. Bill Clinton didn'ty have shit to do with anything in the 90's...not one fucking thing other than ramming through a tax increase that crippled the recovery underway in late 1992. Oh...and he fucked around with fat girls. Yeah...let's put him on Mt. Rushmore for that...
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Well we had conservatism for 8 years and we went from a surplus to a freefall deficit.
Ideology has nothing to do with the economy, shithead.
GW Bush was not a Conservative.
And the "freefall deficit" after 8 years of Bush is exponentially higher after 4 years of Obama.
As to your last comment, I don't waste my time arguing with uneducated queers. If you don't think the ideology of a President influences his decisions via economic policy, you are too stupid to warrant a response from me in this thread. Go play somewhere Jamal. The adults are busy talking.
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Well we had conservatism for 8 years and we went from a surplus to a freefall deficit.
Ideology has nothing to do with the economy, shithead.
Surplus?
you democrats and your funny math...
at any rate you really think the stimulus had nothing to do with ideology?
you really think obamacare had nothing to do with ideology?
you really think that obama cutting the number of public drilling permits in half has nothing to do with ideology?
you really think denying/delaying the keystone pipeline has nothing to do with ideology?
or the green investments?
youre the biggest fuking idiot on here, congrats jackass
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Let's get right down to it-- Liberalism has been proven; not argued, not debated-- but proven to be a failure in terms of practical, real world application.
Higher taxes do not create jobs.
More regulation does not create jobs.
More spending does not create jobs.
Central planning by the government over the private sector does not grow the economy or create jobs.
Forcing the private sectors hand through veiled threats about government intervention-- IE The housing market, backwards EPA regulations and class warfare rhetoric will ONLY lead to economic disaster.
Government meddling in the private sector by bailout, takeover, tax payer subsidy or otherwise does not help the economy.
Printing more money does not strengthen the economy.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ These are all facts. Not opinions, but FACTS.
What does Osama and his mentally unbalanced buffoon of a VP want to do for four more years? More of the same garbage.
Great post.
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Lame excuses flow from your pathetic posts, yet again, Andre. Do you think I actually care whether someone admits to being wrong, when I post stuff that clearly counters their claims? There are people who won't admit that Obama got the taste slapped out his mouth in Denver. That doesn't stop me from posting that such occurred.
You're running from the question, as too many of the TK members here do, because YOU can't admit when you're wrong.
Your whimpering also shows that you don't keep up here. 333386 and I don't agree on every subject or on every candidate. But, we know abject failure when we see it and it's oozing out of Obama.
Have YOU admitted you're wrong, about our not criticizing the unemployment number, until it went under 8% (despite all the evidence, we've shown stating that we've been doing such for MONTHS)?
Have YOU admitted you're wrong, about the way we criticize the polls, even though we've shown exactly where the bias lies and actually LOOK INTO THE METHODOLOGY, before we give them any credence?
The bottom line is you're afraid to answer my question, because it implodes that hopey-changey bubble of yours, showing that Obama isn't kicking anyone's backside. If anything, Obama is getting the first-class trip to the woodshed. It started October 3rd and may continue through November 6.
No hopey changey bubble here although thats the picture you want to paint...I have already stated for the record that I think Obama is gonna lose....I am not a shill for Obama..but you seem to be a shill for anything going against Obama......
As for your claim that you don't see eye to eye on some things that 3333 says..I personally have never seen you refute anything he has written
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STFU. You know ZILCH about polling methods.
what an idiot you are....I have stated that I agree with the CNN poll even though it favored Ryan.....your batshit nuts!
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GW Bush was not a Conservative.
And the "freefall deficit" after 8 years of Bush is exponentially higher after 4 years of Obama.
As to your last comment, I don't waste my time arguing with uneducated queers. If you don't think the ideology of a President influences his decisions via economic policy, you are too stupid to warrant a response from me in this thread. Go play somewhere Jamal. The adults are busy talking.
Obama took the wheel of the car when it was already plunging off the fucking cliff. The bailouts were all signed prior to Obama taking office and years of real estate fraud finally came crashing down......all at the same time.
Like it or not, Obama did fix a lot of shit that was wrong despite the knuckle dragging Congress did along with taking care of Bin Laden, leaving Iraq, and finishing up in Afganistan where those people can go and kill themselves rather than troops....just like Biden told Ryan very bluntly leaving his jaw open further than your whore mom on a regular workday when she walks the streets.
However, none of that shit had to do with liberalism or conservatism because those are just political labels. This country requires some actions to be liberal and some to be conservative in order to work correctly. Politicans also have to stop trying to collapse the country in order to get elected which is what the GOP obviously did.
I honestly wish there were better people running but I'm going with Obama this year because its the worse of two equals. Romney is too big of a bozo to run this country and he's going to really fuck things up if he gets in
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Obama took the wheel of the car when it was already plunging off the fucking cliff. The bailouts were all signed prior to Obama taking office and years of real estate fraud finally came crashing down......all at the same time.
Like it or not, Obama did fix a lot of shit that was wrong despite the knuckle dragging Congress did along with taking care of Bin Laden, leaving Iraq, and finishing up in Afganistan where those people can go and kill themselves rather than troops....just like Biden told Ryan very bluntly leaving his jaw open further than your whore mom on a regular workday when she walks the streets.
However, none of that shit had to do with liberalism or conservatism because those are just political labels. This country requires some actions to be liberal and some to be conservative in order to work correctly. Politicans also have to stop trying to collapse the country in order to get elected which is what the GOP obviously did.
I honestly wish there were better people running but I'm going with Obama this year because its the worse of two equals. Romney is too big of a bozo to run this country and he's going to really fuck things up if he gets in
Also the congress spent the first three years of Obama's presidency trying to de-legitimize him by saying hew wasn't a citizen..and a lot of the conservative crazies on here bought into it ...meanwhile..no work was being done in congress
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Also the congress spent the first three years of Obama's presidency trying to de-legitimize him by saying hew wasn't a citizen..and a lot of the conservative crazies on here bought into it ...meanwhile..no work was being done in congress
Going from making a fool out of one uneducated baboon to another in this thread.
The first three years of the Obama Presidency? You mean when the Democrats had majorities in both houses of Congress?
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Between you and the gay bee pollen salesman, I don't know who is more ignorant.
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you libtards see to forget that obama had majorities in both the house and senate for 2 years.
why didnt he get any of the shit done then?
you idiots want to blame republicans for him not getting shit done, face it morons...OBAMA suck it up and doesnt deserve another chance.
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you libtards see to forget that obama had majorities in both the house and senate for 2 years.
why didnt he get any of the shit done then
he got a lot of his liberal agenda done then, like finreg and obamacare. if you have a liberal mindset, obama was a success those 2 years. Then he had to use exec orders to push thru bullshit like amnesty/dream.
wouldn't surprise me to see him deliver cap/trade as a christmas present to soros and friends, should be be a lame duck president, along with Holder pardons for F&F.
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he got a lot of his liberal agenda done then, like finreg and obamacare. if you have a liberal mindset, obama was a success those 2 years. Then he had to use exec orders to push thru bullshit like amnesty/dream.
wouldn't surprise me to see him deliver cap/trade as a christmas present to soros and friends, should be be a lame duck president, along with Holder pardons for F&F.
then why do your goof troop friends keep saying that he couldnt get shit done b/c of congress?
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then why do your goof troop friends keep saying that he couldnt get shit done b/c of congress?
I was speaking in terms of fixing the economy and the budget deficit and debt.....240 is absolutely correct that Obama got through his liberal agenda but when it came to the budget and raising taxes to plug the deficit, he couldn't do it because of the opposition
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I was speaking in terms of fixing the economy and the budget deficit and debt.....240 is absolutely correct that Obama got through his liberal agenda but when it came to the budget and raising taxes to plug the deficit, he couldn't do it because of the opposition
Gee golly! If only Obama had raised taxes, the economy would be doing great! ::)
People like you are shining examples as to why liberals should be mocked and ridiculed instead of seriously debated.
You're all drones with sub par intelligence and no class.
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Gee golly! If only Obama had raised taxes, the economy would be doing great! ::)
People like you are shining examples as to why liberals should be mocked and ridiculed instead of seriously debated.
You're all drones with sub par intelligence and no class.
sigh.....when are you going to add something intelligent to a thread???...If this is all you've got, insults and putdowns, then why don't you stick to the sex board and masturbate???
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sigh.....when are you going to add something intelligent to a thread???...If this is all you've got, insults and putdowns, then why don't you stick to the sex board and masturbate???
Andre - biden lodt because all we are tlking about his his lies on lybia
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I was speaking in terms of fixing the economy and the budget deficit and debt.....240 is absolutely correct that Obama got through his liberal agenda but when it came to the budget and raising taxes to plug the deficit, he couldn't do it because of the opposition
Do you know how fucking dumb you sound? He could pass his agenda with his party in control, but he couldn't pass all of his agenda with his party in control because of the opposition party that had no power to stop him was stopping him....
Please don't ever have kids....no one deserves to have an idiot for a parent.
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I was speaking in terms of fixing the economy and the budget deficit and debt.....240 is absolutely correct that Obama got through his liberal agenda but when it came to the budget and raising taxes to plug the deficit, he couldn't do it because of the opposition
HE HAD 2 FUCKING YEARS ANDRE!!!
so basically what youre saying is he put his liberal agenda ahead of the economy?
THE WHY DOES THIS HACK DESERVE A SECOND TERM?
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HE HAD 2 FUCKING YEARS ANDRE!!!
so basically what youre saying is he put his liberal agenda ahead of the economy?
THE WHY DOES THIS HACK DESERVE A SECOND TERM?
He is not a magician.
Stop screaming for the government to fix everything you commie
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He is not a magician.
Stop screaming for the government to fix everything you commie
LOL whos screaming for the govt to fix something moron?
brilliant straw man, Im screaming for the govt to stop fuking shit up...
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LOL whos screaming for the govt to fix something moron?
brilliant straw man, Im screaming for the govt to stop fuking shit up...
You are look at your posts.
You are whining that Obama hasnt fixed the largest financial meltdown since the 30's in just 2 years.
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Do you know how fucking dumb you sound? He could pass his agenda with his party in control, but he couldn't pass all of his agenda with his party in control because of the opposition party that had no power to stop him was stopping him....
Please don't ever have kids....no one deserves to have an idiot for a parent.
I would explain but why bother????...debate is for open-minded people...carry on
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HE HAD 2 FUCKING YEARS ANDRE!!!
so basically what youre saying is he put his liberal agenda ahead of the economy?
THE WHY DOES THIS HACK DESERVE A SECOND TERM?
yes thats what I am saying basically....he should have spent more time on the economy and fixing the debt instead of healthcare
However Whork is right...Obama could not fix the economy in two years..no one could do that...and you guys know that....you just refuse to acknowledge reality
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yes thats what I am saying basically....he should have spent more time on the economy and fixing the debt instead of healthcare
However Whork is right...Obama could not fix the economy in two years..no one could do that...and you guys know that....you just refuse to acknowledge reality
so i guess that makes it okay to not even try then right?
you morons are fuking clueless and would bend over backwards if it meant getting your guy re-elected it really is fuking sad.
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You are look at your posts.
You are whining that Obama hasnt fixed the largest financial meltdown since the 30's in just 2 years.
Please show me where im saying I want obama to fix the economy?
you do know that asking him not to hurt the economy is not the same as asking him to fix the economy right?
or is that concept to abstract for your idiot ass?
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so i guess that makes it okay to not even try then right?
you morons are fuking clueless and would bend over backwards if it meant getting your guy re-elected it really is fuking sad.
wow...I agree with with you that Obama should have focused more on the economy and that still isn't enough for you....again your anti-Obama bias clouds your judgement.....you just can't bring yourself to give Obama any benefit of the doubt on anything....
Nothing Obama does will satisfy you....put your faith in Romney then..see where that leads you
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wow...I agree with with you that Obama should have focused more on the economy and that still isn't enough for you....again your anti-Obama bias clouds your judgement.....you just can't bring yourself to give Obama any benefit of the doubt on anything....
Nothing Obama does will satisfy you....put your faith in Romney then..see where that leads you
I will be satisfied w Obama when he goes home to Kenya.
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Please show me where im saying I want obama to fix the economy?
you do know that asking him not to hurt the economy is not the same as asking him to fix the economy right?
or is that concept to abstract for your idiot ass?
You have no fucking idea if he is hurting the economy you idiot.
He has spent a lot less than Bush and he inherited a shithole. The biggest financial meltdown since the 30's. Go watch FOX and let them tell you how to think you really are a pathetic sheep
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I will be satisfied w Obama when he goes home to Kenya.
you'll be satisfied with Obama if he turns white
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you'll be satisfied with Obama if he turns white
He is half way there.
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He is half way there.
not god enough for you however
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not god enough for you however
Unless he turns into trailor park redneck trash, who's mother is also his sister, and works in his own meth-lab and carries an IQ like a sheep, 33.... wont be satisfied. Cheers for the master race
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not god enough for you however
Correct - Obama has never been my God. He is only a God to the 94ers, gays, layabouts, welfare thugs, mooks, criminals, druggies, locusts, tax sponges, and parasites of society.
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Unless he turns into trailor park redneck trash, who's mother is also his sister, and works in his own meth-lab and carries an IQ like a sheep, 33.... wont be satisfied. Cheers for the master race
:D