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As we travel this road of lost freedoms and hidden government agendas, there is a thorn in the flesh of those who want to see us live in total servitude. They are using all their propaganda tools to create a "Problem. reaction, solution" scenario to have this thorn removed so they can continue their masterplan.
This thorn is the 2nd Amendment, our American cousins right to own a weapon. Dont let them change public opinion as you, whether you like it or not, are our last defense. I am Scottish and have noticed the media over here starting a campaign to sway opinion as to the sanity of your country allowing ownership of guns. The newspapers are full of it as is the local and national news.
Please hold fast...whether everyone is aware or not right now....we the world, need you to fight for your rights to carry arms.
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Are we at last brought to such humiliating and debasing degradation that we cannot be trusted with arms for our defense? Where is the difference between having our arms in possession and under our direction, and having them under the management of Congress? If our defense be the real object of having those arms, in whose hands can they be trusted with more propriety, or equal safety to us, as in our own hands? - Patrick Henry
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...arms...discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property. ...Horrid mischief would ensue were (the law-abiding) deprived the use of them. -- Thomas Paine
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The constitutions of most of our States assert that all power is inherent in the people; that... it is their right and duty to be at all times armed." --Thomas Jefferson
We should not forget that the spark which ignited the American Revolution was caused by the British attempt to confiscate the firearms of the colonists. - Patrick Henry
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To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them. – George Mason
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A strong body makes a strong mind. As to the species of exercise I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body it gives boldness, enterprise and independence to the mind. Let your gun, therefore, be the constant companion of your walks. – Thomas Jefferson
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The Constitution shall never be construed … to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms. – Samuel Adams
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Americans have the right and advantage of being armed – unlike the citizens of other countries whose governments are afraid to trust the people with arms. – James Madison
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The constitutions of most of our States assert that all power is inherent in the people; that... it is their right and duty to be at all times armed." --Thomas Jefferson
We should not forget that the spark which ignited the American Revolution was caused by the British attempt to confiscate the firearms of the colonists. - Patrick Henry
And those were different times we live in a new world,I'm 46 and when i was going to school you didn't have the same crime and sensless killings that go on today.I do believe we have the privilege not the right to have a gun but its time to look at whats going on around us and WHO's dying for the right to own guns.
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All guns blazing!
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And those were different times we live in a new world,I'm 46 and when i was going to school you didn't have the same crime and sensless killings that go on today.I do believe we have the privilege not the right to have a gun but its time to look at whats going on around us and WHO's dying for the right to own guns.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_the_United_States
1700s
The earliest known United States shooting to happen on school property was the Pontiac's Rebellion school massacre on July 26, 1764, where four Lenape American Indians entered the schoolhouse near present-day Greencastle, Pennsylvania, shot and killed schoolmaster Enoch Brown, and killed nine or ten children (reports vary). Only three children survived.[1]
1800s
November 2, 1853: Louisville, Kentucky A student, Matthew Ward, bought a self-cocking pistol in the morning, went to school and killed schoolmaster Mr. Butler for excessively punishing his brother the day before. Even though he shot the schoolmaster point blank in front of his classmates, he was acquitted.[2]
June 8, 1867: New York City At Public School No. 18, a 13 year old boy brought a pistol loaded and capped, without the knowledge of his parents or school-teachers, and shot and injured a classmate.[3]
December 22, 1868: Chattanooga, Tennessee A boy who refused to be whipped and left school, returned, with his brother and a friend, the next day to seek revenge on his teacher. Not finding the teacher at the school, they continued to his house, where a gun battle rang out, leaving three dead. Only the brother survived.[4]
March 9, 1873: Salisbury, Maryland After school as Miss Shockley was walking with four small children, she was approached by a Mr. Hall and shot. The Schoolmaster ran out, but Miss Shockley had died instantly. Hall threw himself under a train that night.[5]
May 24, 1879: Lancaster, New York As the carriage loaded with female students was pulling out of the school's stables, Frank Shugart, a telegraph operator, shot and severely injured Mr. Carr, Superintendent of the stables.[6]
March 6, 1884: Boston, Massachusetts As news of Jesse James reached the east coast, young kids started to act in the same manner. An article from the New York Times reads, Another "Jesse James" Gang - Word was brought to the Fifth Police Station to-night that a number of boys were using the Concord-street School-house for some unknown purpose, and a posse of officers was sent to investigate. The gang scattered at the approach of the police, and in their flight one drew a revolver and fired at Officer Rowan, without effect, however. William Nangle, age 14, and Sidney Duncan, age 12, were captured, but the other five or six escaped, among them the one who did the shooting. The boys refused to disclose the object of their meeting, but it is thought that another "Jesse James" organization has been broken up.[7]
March 15, 1884: Gainesville, Georgia In the middle of the day, a group of very drunk Jackson County farmers left the Jug Tavern drinking and shooting their revolvers as they headed down the street driving people into their homes. As they approached the female academy, the girls fled the schoolyard into the school where the gang followed swearing and shooting, firing several rounds into the front door. No one was hurt.[8]
June 12, 1887: Cleveland, Tennessee Will Guess went to the school and fatally shot Miss Irene Fann, his little sister's teacher, for whipping her the day before.[9]
June 13, 1889: New Brunswick, New Jersey Charles Crawford, upset over an argument with a school Trustee, went up to the window and fired a pistol into a crowded school room. The bullet lodged in the wall just above the teacher's head.[10]
April 9, 1891: The first known mass shooting in the U.S. where students were shot, when 70 year old James Foster fired a shotgun at a group of students in the playground of St. Mary's Parochial School, Newburgh, New York, causing minor injuries to several of the students.[11] The majority of attacks during this time period by students on other students or teachers usually involved stabbing with knives or hitting with stones.
1900–1930s
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There are very seldom reports of mass or multiple school shootings during the first three decades of the 20th Century, with the three most violent attacks on schools involving either arson or explosions.
February 26, 1902: Camargo, Illinois teacher Fletcher R. Barnett shot and killed another teacher, Eva C. Wiseman, in front of her class at a school near Camargo, Illinois. After shooting at a pupil who came to help Miss Wiseman and wounding himself in a failed suicide attempt he waited in the classroom until a group of farmers came to lynch him. He then ran out of the school building, grabbed a shotgun from one of the farmers and shot himself, before running away and leaping into a well where he finally drowned. The incident was likely sparked by Wiseman's refusal to marry Barnett.
February 24, 1903: Inman, South Carolina Edward Foster, a 17-year-old student at Inman High school, was shot and fatally wounded by his teacher Reuben Pitts after he had jerked a rod from Pitts' hands to resist punishment. According to the teacher, Foster struck the pistol Pitts had drawn to defend himself, thus causing its discharge. Pitts was later acquitted of murder.
October 10, 1906: Cleveland, Ohio Harry Smith shot and killed 22-year-old teacher Mary Shepard at South Euclid School after she had rejected him. Smith escaped and committed suicide in a barn near his home two hours later.
March 23, 1907: Carmi, Illinois George Nicholson shot and killed John Kurd at a schoolhouse outside of Carmi, Illinois during a school rehearsal. The motive for the shooting was Kurd making a disparaging remark about Nicholson's daughter during her recital.
March 11, 1908: Boston, Massachusetts Elizabeth Bailey Hardee was shot to death by Sarah Chamberlain Weed at the Laurens School, a finishing school in Boston. Weed then turned the gun on herself and committed suicide.
April 15, 1908: Asheville, North Carolina Dr. C. O. Swinney shot and fatally wounded his 16-year-old daughter Nellie in a reception room at Normal and Collegiate Institute. He then committed suicide by shooting himself in the head.
February 12, 1909: San Francisco, California 10-year-old Dorothy Malakanoff was shot and killed by 49-year-old Demetri Tereaschinko as she arrived at her school in San Francisco. Tereaschinko then shot himself in a failed suicide attempt. Tereaschinko was reportedly upset that Malakanoff refused to elope with him.
January 10, 1912: Warrenville, Illinois Sylvester E. Adams shot and killed teacher Edith Smith after she rejected his advances. Adams then shot and killed himself. The incident took place in a schoolhouse about a mile outside of Warrenville after the students had been dismissed for the day.
March 27, 1919: Lodi Township, Michigan 19-year-old teacher Irma Casler was shot and killed in her classroom at Rentschler school in Lodi Township, Michigan by Robert Warner, apparently because she had rejected his advances.
April 2, 1921: Syracuse, New York Professor Holmes Beckwith shot and killed dean J. Herman Wharton in his office at Syracuse University before committing suicide.
February 15, 1927: Hempstead, New York James O'Donnell, 18-year-old senior at Hempstead High School, shot himself to death on the stage in the school's auditorium. A suicide note stated that O'Donnell killed himself to lessen the financial burden on his family.
May 18, 1927: Bath, Michigan School treasurer Andrew Kehoe, after killing his wife and destroying his house and farm, blew up the Bath Consolidated School by detonating dynamite in the basement of the school, killing 38 people, mostly children. He then pulled up to the school in his Ford car, then set off a truck bomb, killing himself and four others. Only one shot was fired in order to detonate dynamite in the car. This was the deadliest act of mass murder at a school in the United States.
May 22, 1930: Ringe, Minnesota Margaret Wegman, 20-year-old teacher at the local rural school, was shot and killed in the school by 24-year-old Douglas Petersen.
May 28, 1931: Duluth, Minnesota Katherine McMillen, 24-year-old teacher at the Howard Gensen rural school near Duluth, was accidentally shot and killed by a revolver brought to school by a pupil.
February 15, 1933: Downey, California Dr. Vernon Blythe shot and killed his wife Eleanor, as well as his 8-year old son Robert at Gallatin grammar school and committed suicide after firing three more shots at his other son Vernon. His wife, who had been a teacher at the school, had filed for divorce the week before.
September 14, 1934: Gill, Massachusetts. Headmaster Elliott Speer was murdered by a shotgun blast through the window of his study at Northfield Mount Hermon School. The crime was never solved.
March 27, 1935: Medora, North Dakota Emily Hartl, 24-year-old teacher at the Manlon school northwest of Medora, was shot and killed at the school by 28-year-old Harry McGill, a former suitor.
December 12, 1935: New York City, New York, Victor Koussow, a Russian laboratory worker at the School of Dental and Oral Surgery, shot Prof. Arthur Taylor Rowe, Prof. Paul B. Wiberg, and wounded Dr. William H. Crawford at Columbia Presbyterian Hospital, before committing suicide.
April 27, 1936: Lincoln, Nebraska, Prof. John Weller shot and wounded Prof. Harry Kurz in a corridor of the University of Nebraska, apparently because of his impending dismissal at the end of the semester. After shooting Kurz Weller tried to escape, but was surrounded by police on the campus, whereupon he killed himself with a shot in the chest.
June 4, 1936: Bethlehem, Pennsylvania, Wesley Crow shot and killed his Lehigh University English instructor, C. Wesley Phy. Crow went to Phy's office and demanded that Mr. Phy change his grade to a passing mark. Crow committed suicide after shooting Phy.
September 24, 1937: Toledo, Ohio 12-year-old Robert Snyder shot and wounded his principal, June Mapes, in her office at Arlington public school when she declined his request to call a classmate. He then fled the school grounds and shot and wounded himself.
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it seems TA in undergoing seriously shitty times in his personal life
As is well known, a spike in someone's GB activity always means real life is fucked
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_the_United_States
1940s
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May [12] 6, 1940: South Pasadena, California. After being removed as principal of South Pasadena Junior High School, Verlin Spencer shot six school officials, killing five, before attempting to commit suicide by shooting himself in the stomach.
May 23, 1940: New York City, New York Infuriated by a grievance, Matthew Gillespie, 62-year-old janitor at the junior school of the Dwight School for Girls, shot and critically wounded Mrs. Marshall Coxe, secretary of the junior school.
July 4, 1940: Valhalla, New York Angered by the refusal of his daughter, Melba, 15 years old, to leave a boarding school and return to his home, Joseph Moshell, 47, visited the school and shot and killed the girl.
September 12, 1940: Uniontown, Pennsylvania, 29-year-old teacher Carolyn Dellamea is shot to death inside her third grade classroom by 35-year-old William Kuhns. Kuhns then shot himself in the chest in a failed suicide attempt. Kuhns had reportedly been courting Dellamea for over a year but the relationship was ended when Dellamea discovered that Kuhns was already married.[13]
October 2, 1942: New York City, New York Irwin Goodman, 36-year-old mathematics teacher at William J. Gaynor Junior High School, was shot and killed in the school corridor by a youth.
February 23, 1943: Port Chester, New York Harry Wyman, 13-year-old, shot himself dead at the Harvey School, a boys’ preparatory school.
June 26, 1946: Brooklyn, New York A 15-year-old schoolboy who balked at turning over his pocket money to a gang of seven youths was shot in the chest at 11:30 A.M. in the basement of the Public School 147 annex of the Brooklyn High School for Automotive Trades.
November 24, 1946: New York City A 13-year-old student at St. Benedict’s Parochial School, shot and fatally wounded himself while sitting in an audience watching a school play.
February 5, 1947: Madill, Oklahoma 1st grade teacher Jessie Laird, 40-years-old, was shot to death in her classroom, during recess, by her estranged husband, Ellis Laird, 62-years-old. Laird then fatally shot himself.
December 24, 1948: New York City A 14-year-old boy was wounded fatally by an accidental shot from the .22-caliber rifle of a fellow-student ... the youth was shot in the head when he chanced into range where Robert Ross, 17, of Brooklyn, was shooting at a target near a lake on the school property.
March 11, 1949: New York City A 16-year-old student at Stuyvesant High School was accidentally shot in the arm by a fellow student who was ‘showing off’ with a pistol in a classroom.
November 13, 1949: Columbus, Ohio, Ohio State University freshman James Heer grabbed a .45 caliber handgun from the room of a Delta Tau Delta fraternity brother and shot and killed his fraternity brother Jack McKeown, 21, an Ohio State senior.
1950s
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April 25, 1950: Peru, Nebraska Dr. William Nicholas, 48, president of Peru State College and Dr. Paul Maxwell, 56, education department head, were shot to death at their desks by Dr. Barney Baker, 54-year-old psychology professor. Baker was found dead of a self-inflicted gunshot at his home on campus.
July 22, 1950: New York City, New York A 16-year-old boy was shot in the wrist and abdomen at the Public School 141 dance... during an argument with a former classmate.
March 12, 1951: Union Mills, North Carolina Professor W. E. Sweatt, superintendent and teacher at the Alexander school, was shot to death by students Billy Ray Powell, 16, and Hugh Justice, 19. The assailants had been reprimanded by Sweatt, and they waited for him as he locked his office door.
June 4, 1951: New York City, New York Carl Arch, a 50-year-old intruder to a girl's gym class, was shot and killed by a police officer, at Manhattan's Central Commercial High School.
November 27, 1951: New York City, New York David Brooks, a 15-year-old student, was fatally shot as fellow-pupils looked on in a grade school.
April 9, 1952: New York City, New York A 15-year-old boarding-school student shot a dean rather than relinquish pin-up pictures of girls in bathing suits.
July 14, 1952: New York City, New York Bayard Peakes walked in to the offices of the American Physical Society at Columbia University and shot and killed secretary Eileen Fahey with a .22 caliber pistol. Peakes was reportedly upset that the APS had rejected a pamphlet he had written.
September 3, 1952: in Lawrenceville, Illinois After 25-year-old Georgine Lyon ended her engagement with Charles Petrach, Petrach shot and killed Lyon in a classroom at Lawrenceville High School where she worked as a librarian.
November 20, 1952: New York City, New York “Rear Admiral E. E. Herrmann, 56 years old, superintendent of the Naval Postgraduate School, was found dead in his office with a bullet in his head. A service revolver was found by his side.
October 2, 1953: Chicago, Illinois 14-year-old Patrick Colletta was shot to death by 14-year-old Bernice Turner in a classroom of Kelly High School in Chicago. It was reported that after Turner refused to date Colletta he handed her the gun and dared her to pull the trigger, telling her that the gun was “only a toy.” A coroner’s jury later ruled that the shooting was an accident.
October 8, 1953: New York City, New York Larry Licitra, 17-year-old student at the Machine and Metal Trades High School, was shot and slightly wounded in the right shoulder in the lobby of the school while inspecting a handmade pistol owned by one of several students.
March 31, 1954: Newton, Massachusetts John Frankenberger, 14, was accidentally shot to death in a classroom at Day Junior High School, when a pistol being held by a classmate discharged.
May 15, 1954: Chapel Hill, North Carolina, Putnam Davis Jr. was shot and killed during a fraternity house carnival at the Phi Delta Theta house at the University of North Carolina. William Joyner and Allen Long were shot and wounded during the exchange of gunfire in their fraternity bedroom. The incident took place after an all-night beer party. Mr. Long reported to the police that, while the three were drinking beer at 7 a.m., Davis pulled out a gun and started shooting with a gun he had obtained from the car of a former roommate.
January 11, 1955: Swarthmore, Pennsylvania After some of his dorm mates urinated on his mattress Bob Bechtel, a 20-year-old student at Swarthmore College, returned to his dorm with a shotgun and used it to shoot and kill fellow student Holmes Strozier.
May 4, 1956: in Prince George's County, Maryland, 15-year-old student Billy Prevatte fatally shot one teacher and injured two others at Maryland Park Junior High School in Prince George's County after he had been reprimanded from the school.
October 20, 1956: New York City, New York A junior high school student was wounded in the forearm by another student armed with a home-made weapon at Booker T. Washington Junior High School.
October 2, 1957: New York City, New York “A 16-year old student was shot in the leg by a 15-year old classmate at a city high school.”
March 4, 1958: New York City, New York “A 17-year-old student shot a boy in the Manual Training High School.”
May 1, 1958: Massapequa, New York A 15-year-old high school freshman was shot and killed by a classmate in a washroom of the Massapequa High School.
September 24, 1959: New York City, New York Twenty-seven men and boys and an arsenal were seized in the Bronx as the police headed off a gang war resulting from the fatal shooting of a teenager Monday at Morris High School.
1960s
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February 2, 1960: Hartford City, Indiana Principal Leonard Redden shot and killed two teachers with a shotgun at William Reed Elementary School in Hartford City, Indiana, before fleeing into a remote forest, where he committed suicide.
March 30, 1960 Alice, Texas Donna Dvorak, 14, brought a .22 target pistol to Dubose Junior High School, and fatally shot Bobby Whitford, 15, in their 9th grade science class. Dvorak believed Whitford posed a threat to one of her girlfriends.
June 7, 1960: Blaine, Minnesota Lester Betts, a 40-year-old mail-carrier, walked into the office of 33-year-old principal Carson Hammond and shot him to death with a 12-gauge shotgun.
January 4, 1961: Delmont, South Dakota Donald Kurtz, 17-year-old senior at Delmont High School, was fatally wounded by a .22 caliber bullet from a rifle. The shot, intended as a sound effect for a school play, hit him in the chest during a rehearsal just minutes before the play was to take place.
October 17, 1961: Denver, Colorado Tennyson Beard, 14, got into an argument with William Hachmeister, 15, at Morey Junior High School. During the argument Beard pulled out a .38 caliber revolver and shot at Hachmeister, wounding him. A stray bullet also struck Deborah Faith Humphrey, 14, who died from her gunshot wound.
August 1, 1966: University of Texas Massacre Charles Whitman age 25, climbed atop the observation deck at the University of Texas-Austin, and killed 16 people and wounded 31 during a 96-minute shooting rampage.
November 12, 1966: Mesa, Arizona Bob Smith, 18, took seven people hostage at Rose-Mar College of Beauty, a school for training beauticians. Smith ordered the hostages to lie down on the floor in a circle. He then proceeded to shoot them in the head with a 22-caliber pistol. Four women and a three-year-old girl died, one woman and a baby were injured but survived. Police arrested Smith after the massacre. Smith had reportedly admired Richard Speck and Charles Whitman.
January 30, 1968: Miami, Florida 16-year-old Blanche Ward shot and killed fellow student Linda Lipscomb, 16, with a .22-caliber pistol at Miami Jackson High School. According to Ward, she was threatened with a razor by Lipscomb during an argument over a fountain pen, and in the ensuing struggle the gun went off.
February 8, 1968: Orangeburg, South Carolina In the days leading up to February 8, 1968, about 200 mostly student protesters gathered on the campus of South Carolina State University, located in the city of Orangeburg, to protest the segregation of the All Star Bowling Lane. The bowling alley was owned by the late Harry K. Floyd. That night, students started a bonfire. As police attempted to put out the fire, an officer was injured by a thrown piece of banister. The police said they believed they were under attack by small weapons fire. The officers fired into the crowd, killing three young men: Samuel Hammond, Delano Middleton, and Henry Smith, and wounding twenty-seven others.
May 22, 1968: Miami, Florida Ernest Lee Grissom, a 15-year-old student at Drew Junior High School, shot and seriously wounded a teacher and a 13-year-old student after he had been reprimanded for causing a disturbance.
January 17, 1969: Los Angeles, California Two student members of the Black Panther Party, Alprentice Carter and John Huggins, were fatally shot during a student meeting inside Campbell Hall at the University of California, Los Angeles. The motive of the shooting regarded who would own the school's African American Studies Center. The shooter, Claude Hubert, was never to be found but three other men were arrested in connection with the shooting.
November 19, 1969: Tomah, Wisconsin Principal Martin Mogensen was shot to death in his office by a 14-year-old boy armed with a 20 gauge shotgun.
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1970s
The two most notable U.S. school shootings in the early 1970s were the Jackson State killings in May 1970, where police opened fire on the campus of Jackson State University and the Kent State shootings also in May 1970 where the National Guard opened fire on the campus of Kent State University.
The mid to late 1970s is considered the second most violent period in U.S. school history with a series of school shootings, most notably were;
February 2, 1971: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania Teacher Samson L. Freedman, 56, was shot to death as he left Morris E. Leeds School, by Kevin Simmons, 14. Freedman had suspended Simmons earlier in the day for cursing in the hallway.
November 8, 1971: Grove, Oklahoma, School custodian, Jim "James" Underwood brought a .22-caliber revolver to school hidden in a brown paper bag. School principal, T.J. Melton, 49, was shot in the left shoulder, left ear and in the top of his head, according to published reports. He died around 9 a.m. and Underwood was charged the next day with first-degree murder. [14]
January 5, 1972: Washington, DC Fifth-grade teacher Margaret Brooks, 57, was shot to death in front of her students by her estranged husband James A. Brooks.
January 17, 1974: Chicago, Illinois Elementary school principal Rudolph Jezek, Jr., 52, was shot to death in his office by Steven Guy, 14, a former student said to be angry at being transferred from the school to a social adjustment center.
December 30, 1974: Olean, New York, Anthony Barbaro, a 17-year-old Regents scholar armed with a rifle and shotgun, kills three adults and wounds 11 others at his high school, which was closed for the Christmas holiday. Barbaro was reportedly a loner who kept a diary describing several "battle plans" for his attack on the school.[15]
February 12, 1976: At Detroit, Michigan's Murray-Wright High School, about six intruders, who according to police looked like junior high students or younger, entered Murray Wright. According to the police they were searching for a student who had "stolen one of their girlfriends."[16] Two teachers discovered the intruders and asked them to leave. A security guard escorted the intruders down a hallway as about six Murray-Wright students followed the intruders as they were leaving. Outside of the door to the school, two of the intruders brandished guns and fired into the group., shooting and injuring five students. One of the injured was treated and released and the others were treated at Henry Ford Hospital.[16]
May 1976: Randy Truitt a high school student at US Grant High School in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma was shot and killed by James Briggs at the school, leaving several injured.
June 12, 1976: California State University, Fullerton massacre, where the school's custodian opened fire with a semi-automatic rifle in the library on the California State University, Fullerton campus killing 7, and wounding 2.
November 10, 1976: Detroit, Michigan Second grade teacher Bettye McCaster, 45, was shot to death in front of her 29 students at Burt Elementary School, by her estranged husband, Al Lewis.
February 9, 1978: A 15-year-old student was shot and killed by another student at Hayes Junior High School in St. Albans, WV.
February 22, 1978: Lansing, Michigan After being taunted for his beliefs, a 15-year-old self-proclaimed Nazi, kills one student and wounds a second with a Luger pistol.[15]
May 18, 1978: Austin, Texas John Daniel Christian, a 13-year-old and son of LBJ's former Press Secretary and prominent Texas political figure (George Christian), walked into his 8th grade English class at Murchison Junior High School (now Murchison Middle School) and shot to death his English teacher, Wilbur "Rod" Grayson, with George Christian's .22 gun, in front of approximately 30 classmates. John Christian was never prosecuted, allegedly, because he was a minor at the time but, most likely, because his father pulled strings to avoid prosecution. John Christian is now a practicing attorney in Austin, Texas, licensed by the Texas State Bar Association. [17]
January 29, 1979: Grover Cleveland Elementary School Shootings, California, where 16-year-old Brenda Ann Spencer opened fire with a rifle, a gift from her father, killing 2 and wounding 9.
1980s
The early 1980s saw many single shootings, similar to the 1970s:
March 26, 1980: Big Rapids, Michigan, Robert Brauer, Business Professor, was shot by a student Thomas Kakonis at Ferris State College. Robert Brauer had failed the student on an examination. At 20 years old, Thomas Kakonis was the son of an associate dean at the college. [18]
April 7, 1982: Littleton, Colorado, Deer Creek Jr. High School The gunman, 14-year-old Jason Rocha, was a student at Deer Creek. Rocha shot and killed 13 year-old Scott Darwin Michael.[19]
The early 1980s saw only a few multi-victim school shootings, including:
January 20, 1983: St. Louis County, Missouri Parkway South Middle School The eighth grade shooter brought a blue duffel bag containing two pistols and a murder/suicide note that outlined his intention to kill the next person heard speaking ill of his older brother, Ken, to school. He entered a study hall classroom and opened fire, hitting two fellow students. The first victim was fatally shot in the stomach, and the second victim received a non-fatal gunshot wound to the abdomen. He said, "no one will ever call my brother a pussy again," then committed suicide.
According to the Center to Prevent Handgun Violence, in the United States, from September 1986 to September 1990:[20]
At least 71 people (65 students and 6 school employees) had been killed with guns at school.
201 were severely wounded by gun fire.
242 individuals were held hostage at gunpoint.
According to a 1987 survey conducted by the American School Health Association,[21] " 3% of the boys reported having carried a handgun to school at least once during the school year; 1% reported carrying a handgun on a daily basis."
The late 1980s began to see a major increase in school shootings, including:
May 17, 1984: Des Moines, Iowa While students in a French class at Southeast Polk High School were taking a test in the hallway, a 17 year old boy shot and killed a 16 year old female student before firing a single shot into his own head, killing himself.[22][23]
January 22, 1985: Goddard, Kansas James Alan Kearbey, 14, armed with a M1-A semiautomatic rifle and a .357-caliber handgun, killed principal Joseph McGee and wounded two teachers and a student at his Junior high school. He pleaded no contest and served seven years in a state youth facility.[citation needed]
September 4, 1985: Richmond, Virginia At the end of the second day of school at East End Middle School, a 12 year old boy shot a girl with his mother's gun.[24][25]
October 18, 1985: Detroit, Michigan During halftime of the homecoming football game between Northwestern High School and Murray-Wright High School, a boy who was in a fight earlier that day pulled out a shotgun and opened fire, injuring six students.[26][27]
November 26, 1985: Spanaway, Washington A 14 year old girl shot two boys fatally, then killed herself with a .22-caliber rifle at Spanaway Junior High School.[28][29][30]
December 9, 1985: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania At Archbishop Ryan High School for Boys, a 22 year old Mental health patient took 6 students hostage with what ended up being a starter pistol. No one was hurt in the ordeal.
December 10, 1985: Portland, Connecticut At Portland Junior High School, the Principal was having a heated discussion with a 13 year old male eighth grader when he locked the boy inside an office. The student then pulled out a 9mm firearm and opened fire. The bullet shattered the glass door and struck the left forearm of the secretary, and the glass injured the Principal. The boy fled for the 2nd floor, where he shot a janitor in the head. The boy then took a seventh grader hostage. The boy's father and another family member came to the school and talked to him over the intercom system. After 45 minutes, he tossed the gun out a school window and was taken into custody.[31]
April 1986:Slidell, Louisiana 13 year old gifted Boyet Junior High School Student Matt Cooper put a .45 caliber pistol to his head and shot himself in class.[32]
May 16, 1986: The Cokeville Elementary School hostage crisis In a ransom scheme, David and Doris Young, both in their forties, took 150 students and teachers hostage. Their demand for $300 million dollars came to an abrupt end when Doris accidentally set off a bomb, killing herself and injuring 78 students and teachers. David wounded John Miller, a teacher who was trying to flee, then killed himself.
December 5, 1986: Fergus High School Lewistown, Montana A student shot and killed a substitute teacher in a classroom at his high school, then wounded a vice principal and two classmates. The 14-year-old student, who was armed with a large-caliber revolver, was arrested at his home after his parents turned him over to police following the 1:22 p.m. shootings at Fergus High School
March 2, 1987: De Kalb, Missouri Honours student Nathan Ferris, 12, killed a classmate and then himself.[33]
April 16, 1987:[34] a student at Detroit, Michigan's Murray-Wright High School entered the school parking lot and shot 17-year old Chester Jackson, a junior running back, in the head, killing him. He attacker went into the gymnasium and shot 18-year old Damon Matthews, a basketball player, in the face. Tomeka Turner, an 18-year old, was wounded. Risen said that Turner's injuries occurred "apparently in the school's corridors as the attacker fled the building."[35]
December 16, 1987: Mayde Creek High School near Katy, Texas A 15-year-old boy, Ramesh D. Tumalad, apparently despondent over love, shot himself to death in his Algebra class as his classmates looked on. The girl with whom he was having romantic problems was among those in the class. The shooting occurred about 10 a.m.; the teacher was standing near the door taking attendance when Ramesh, seated in the rear of room, shot himself. There were about 25 pupils in the class. [36]
May 20, 1988: Winnetka, Illinois 30 year old Laurie Dann shot and killed one elementary school student and wounded five others, then took a family hostage and shot a man before killing herself.
September 26, 1988: Greenwood, South Carolina In the cafeteria of the Oakland Elementary School 19 year-old James William Wilson Jr., shot and killed Shequilla Bradley, 8 and wounded eight other children with a 9-round .22 caliber pistol. He went into the girls restroom to reload where he was attacked by Kat Finkbeiner, a Physical Education teacher. James shot her in the hand and mouth. He then entered 3rd grade classroom and wounded six more students.
December 16, 1988: Virginia Beach, Virginia Nicholas Elliott, 15, opened fire with a SWD Cobray M-11 semiautomatic pistol on his teachers at the Atlantic Shores Christian School. His first shots struck teacher Karen Farley in the arm; when she went down he killed her at point blank range. Nicholas then injured Sam Marino. He turned the Cobray toward his classmates, but the gun jammed and he was quickly subdued by M. Hutchinson Matteson, a teacher, before he could fire another round.
January 17, 1989: Cleveland School massacre of Stockton, California where 5 school children were killed and 30 wounded by a single gunman firing over 100 rounds into a schoolyard from an AK-47, in which the perpetrator later took his life.[37]
1990s
Main articles: Columbine High School massacre, Westside Middle School massacre, and Lindhurst High School shooting
From the late 1980s to the early 1990s, the United States saw a sharp increase in guns and gun violence in the schools. According to a survey conducted by The Harvard School of Public Health,[38] "15% [of students surveyed] said that they had carried a handgun on their person in the past 30 days, and 4% said that they had taken a handgun to school in the past year," a sharp increase from just five years earlier. By 1993, the United States saw one of the most violent periods in school shooting incidences.
January 8, 1991, Jeremy Delle, a 15-year-old sophomore who had recently transferred to the school, killed himself with a .357 Magnum in front of his second-period English class. He was described by schoolmates as "acting sad". After coming into class late that morning, he was told to get an attendance slip from the school office. He left and returned with a .357 revolver. He walked to the front of the class and announced, "Miss, I got what I really went for." Delle then put the gun into his mouth and pulled the trigger. The incident inspired the Pearl Jam song "Jeremy". The band's lead singer, Eddie Vedder, read a newspaper account of the incident and was moved to write the song almost immediately
May 1, 1992: Olivehurst, California Eric Houston, 20, killed four people and wounded 10 in an armed siege at his former high school. Prosecutors said the attack was in retribution for a failing grade.
According to the National School Safety Center, since the 1992-1993 U.S. school year there has been a significant decline in school-associated violent deaths (deaths on private or public school property for kindergarten through grade 12 and resulting from schools functions or activities):[39]
1992–1993 (44 Homicides and 55 Deaths resulting from school shootings in the U.S.)
1993–1994 (42 Homicides and 51 Deaths resulting from school shootings in the U.S.)
1994–1995 (17 Homicides and 20 Deaths resulting from school shootings in the U.S.)
1995–1996 (29 Homicides and 35 Deaths resulting from school shootings in the U.S.)
1996–1997 (23 Homicides and 25 Deaths resulting from school shootings in the U.S.)
1997–1998 (35 Homicides and 40 Deaths resulting from school shootings in the U.S.)
1998–1999 (25 Homicides from school shootings in the U.S.)
1999–2000 (25 Homicides from school shootings in the U.S.)
According to the U.S. Department of Education, in the 1998-1999 School Year, 3,523 students (57% High School, 33% Junior High, 10% Elementary) were expelled for bringing a firearm to school.[40]
The late 1990s started to see a major reduction in gun related school violence, but was still plagued with multiple victim shootings including;
January 12, 1995: Seattle Washington A student left school during the day and returned with his grandfather's 9mm. He wounded two students. The incident is portrayed in the documentary Cease Fire.
October 12, 1995: Blackville, South Carolina A suspended student shot two math teachers with a .32 caliber revolver.
November 15, 1995: Lynnville, Tennessee A 17-year-old boy shot and killed a student and teacher with a .22 rifle.
February 2, 1996: Moses Lake, Washington Two students and one teacher killed, one other wounded when 14-year-old Barry Loukaitis opened fire on his algebra class.[41]
February 19, 1997: Bethel, Alaska Principal and one student killed, two others wounded by Evan Ramsey, 16.[41]
October 1, 1997: Pearl, Mississippi Two students killed and seven wounded by Luke Woodham, 16, who was also accused of killing his mother. He and his friends were said to be outcasts who worshiped Satan.[41]
November 27, 1997: West Palm Beach, Florida Conniston Middle School 14-year-old John Kamel was fatally shot in the chest at 8:40 a.m. outside school on a sidewalk by 14-year-old Tronneal Mangum after an argument over an Adidas watch that Mangum had taken from Kamel.
December 1, 1997: West Paducah, Kentucky Three students killed, five wounded by Michael Carneal, 14, as they participated in a prayer circle at Heath High School.[41]
December 15, 1997: Stamps, Arkansas Two students wounded. Colt Todd, 14, was hiding in the woods when he shot the students as they stood in the parking lot[41]
March 24, 1998: Jonesboro, Arkansas Four students and one teacher killed, ten others wounded outside as Westside Middle School emptied during a false fire alarm. Mitchell Johnson, 13, and Andrew Golden, 11, shot at their classmates and teachers from the woods[41]
April 24, 1998: Edinboro, Pennsylvania One teacher, John Gillette, was killed and two students wounded at a dance at James W. Parker Middle School. Andrew Wurst, 14, was charged.[41]
May 21, 1998: Springfield, Oregon Two students killed, 22 others wounded in the cafeteria at Thurston High School by 15-year-old Kip Kinkel. Kinkel had been arrested and released a day earlier for bringing a gun to school. His parents were later found dead at home, shot to death by their son[41]
June 15, 1998: Richmond, Virginia One teacher and one guidance counselor wounded by a 14-year-old boy in the school hallway[41]
May 19, 1998: Fayetteville, Tennessee High School Senior Jacob Davis shot and killed eighteen year-old Robert "Nick" Creson in a dispute over a girl. He then lay down his rifle and waited with his head in his hands for the police to come. He was convicted of First Degree Murder and is serving life in prison.[42]
December 10, 1998: Detroit, Michigan One professor killed by a graduate student. [43]
April 20, 1999: Columbine, Colorado 14 students (including 2 shooters) and one teacher killed, 27 others wounded at Columbine High School. Eric Harris, 18, and Dylan Klebold, 17, had plotted for a year to kill at least 500 and blow up their school. At the end of their hour-long rampage, they turned their guns on themselves.[41]
May 20, 1999: Conyers, Georgia Six students injured at Heritage High School by Thomas Solomon, 15, who was reportedly depressed after breaking up with his girlfriend[41]
November 19, 1999: Deming, New Mexico One student killed at Deming Middle School by Victor Cordova Jr., 13.[44]
2000s
Main articles: Virginia Tech massacre, Red Lake massacre, Amish school shooting, and Northern Illinois University Shooting
February 29, 2000: Buell Elementary School, Flint, Michigan; 6-year-old Dedrick Owens, youngest-ever school shooter. Kayla Rolland was the single fatality.[45]
May 26, 2000: Lake Worth, Florida Lake Worth Middle School Florida teacher Barry Grunow was fatally shot by his student, 13-year-old Nathaniel Brazill, who had returned to school after being sent home at 1 p.m. by the assistant principal for throwing water balloons. Brazill returned to school on his bike with a 5 inch Raven and four bullets stolen from his grandfather the week before. Brazill was an honor student. Grunow was a popular teacher and Brazill's favorite.[45]
August 28, 2000: University of Arkansas shooting at Fayetteville, Arkansas At approximately 12:14 pm, Dr. John R. Locke, 67, Director of the Comparative Literature Program was shot and killed in his office by James E. Kelly, 36, a Comparative Literature PhD candidate who had recently been dismissed from the program for lack of progress towards his degree. Kelly shot Dr. Locke three times before taking his own life in Dr. Locke's office after it was cordoned off by campus police.[46][47][48]
September 26, 2000: Darrel Johnson, 13, offender in Louisiana school shooting with 1 student fatality.[45]
March 5, 2001: Charles Andrew William, age 15, offender in California school shooting, 15 wounded 2 of which died.[45]
March 30, 2001: Donald R. Burt Jr., age 18, offender in Indiana school shooting with 1 student fatality.[45]
September 24, 2003: John Jason McLaughlin, age 15, offender in Minnesota school shooting with 2 student fatalities.[45]
February 2, 2004: Unidentified offender in Washington, DC school shooting with 1 student fatality.[45]
May 7, 2004: Unidentified 17 year old offender in Maryland school shooting with 1 student fatality.[45]
March 21, 2005: Jeff Weise, 16 year old offender in Minnesota school shooting. Fatalities include 1 teacher, 5 students, 1 security guard, 2 relatives.[45]
November 8, 2005: Kenny Bartley, age 15, offender in Tennessee school shooting with 1 principal fatality.[45]
August 24, 2006: Christopher Williams walked into Essex Elementary School and opened fire, killing teacher Alicia Shanks after killing his ex-girlfriend's mother, Linda Lambessis, at home. Essex, VT
September 29, 2006: Eric Hainstock, 15 year old offender in Weston High School shooting, walked in the school building and shot the high school principal with a handgun after a custodian disarmed him of a shotgun in Cazenovia, Wisconsin.
October 2, 2006: Charles Carl Roberts IV, a 32 year old a milk truck driver, murdered five Amish girls and injured five others before killing himself in an Amish school in the hamlet of Nickel Mines, in Bart Township, Lancaster County, Pennsylvania.
April 16, 2007: Seung-Hui Cho, age 23, offender in Virginia Tech University shooting. 32 students and faculty were killed, along with another 17 students and faculty injured in two separate attacks on the same day.
February 14, 2008: The Northern Illinois University shooting was a school shooting that took place on February 14, 2008, during which Steven Kazmierczak shot multiple people on the campus of Northern Illinois University in DeKalb, Illinois, United States, killing five and injuring 21, before committing suicide.
October 26, 2009: A graduate student fatally shot himself in the presence of a professor, in the professor's office, on the Tempe campus of Arizona State University. http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/valleyfever/2009/10/asu_grad_student_shoots_himsel.php
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2010s
Main articles: Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting and Chardon High School shooting
February 27, 2012: Thomas "T.J." Lane, 17, is believed to have taken a Ruger MK III .22 caliber semi-automatic handgun and a knife to Chardon High School and fired ten shots at a group of students sitting at a cafeteria table. Three students died in the attack; a 16-year-old boy died immediately, and two other male students died from their wounds the following day. Three other students were injured. Lane was arrested when he was standing near his car parked near the school, and he is charged with murder, attempted murder, and firearms offenses.[49]
August 24, 2012: In Homer, Georgia, a 16-year-old student at Banks County High School fatally shot himself in a school restroom.
August 27, 2012: In Perry Hall, Maryland, a suburban community of Baltimore, Robert Gladden, 15, allegedly took a double barrel shotgun to Perry Hall High School and fired shots inside the school cafeteria. A 17-year-old senior with Down syndrome was hit in the lower back while he was sitting at a table and suffered critical wounds. Gladden was immediately subdued by school faculty members, and was arrested. He is facing numerous attempted murder charges and firearms offenses.[50][51]
September 26, 2012: In Stillwater, Oklahoma, Cade Poulos, 13, shot himself in the head shortly before classes started at Stillwater Junior High School.[52]
November 29, 2012: In Taylorsville, Utah, David Phan, 14, shot himself in front of other students. Phen reportedly was suspended from Bennion Junior High School on the day of his suicide. His mother picked him up from school at about 1:30 pm[53] and took her son home before returning to work. According to the local newspaper, it wasn't immediately clear why Phan was suspended from the school. Phan then took a gun from a locked safe in his home [53] and walked back to the school around 3 pm. He met a group of students on the pedestrian bridge over 6200 South near 2700 West, where he pulled out the gun he had carried with and shot himself in front of those students. The 911 call was received at 3:05 pm. Later investigation revealed that Phan could have been a victim of bullying as a result of possibly being gay.[54] The Granite School District hasn't publicly released the reason for his suspension or any possible records of him being bullied.
November 30, 2012: In Casper, Wyoming, Christopher Krumm, 25, killed his father while he was instructing a class at Casper College, using both a bow and arrow and knife. Christopher committed suicide by stabbing himself. Krumm previously killed his father's girlfriend in a house near the college campus.[55]
December 14, 2012 Adam Lanza, aged 20, killed 26 people and himself at the Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut. He first killed his mother at their shared home before taking her guns and driving to the school. During the attack, 20 first-grade children aged six and seven were killed, along with six adults, including the principal, the school psychologist, and Vicki Soto, a first-grade teacher who gave her life to save her kids by shielding them from the gunman. Lanza then took his own life.[56]
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And those were different times we live in a new world,I'm 46 and when i was going to school you didn't have the same crime and sensless killings that go on today.I do believe we have the privilege not the right to have a gun but its time to look at whats going on around us and WHO's dying for the right to own guns.
Its a right moron.
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And those were different times we live in a new world,I'm 46 and when i was going to school you didn't have the same crime and sensless killings that go on today.I do believe we have the privilege not the right to have a gun but its time to look at whats going on around us and WHO's dying for the right to own guns.
Crime rates have dropped since the 1960's.
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I appreciate you taking this thread on TA! Very good quotes and information in your posts!
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C'mon fellas, don't you long for the day that we'll be so pussy whipped by our government that we'll need anti knife ads -
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Or give our wives the latest in pointless cutlery -
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1192969/Pointless-The-new-kitchen-knife-chops-wont-stab.html
But don't go waving that pointless marvel at ruffians -
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9708511/Judge-attacks-genius-prosecutors-after-householder-confronts-yobs-with-knife.html .
And certainly don't stab them while they are busy killing your mom, we have the bobbies ole chap to deal with such things -
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1270395/First-picture-boy-killed-save-mother.html .
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No freeman shall ever be debarred the use of arms.
---Thomas Jefferson: Draft Virginia Constitution, 1776.
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TA literally drowning the weak imbeciles in facts.
The people who got shot won't recover - no banning can't remedy the losses and pains suffered but these happenings must not be used to push shady agendas.
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C'mon fellas, don't you long for the day that we'll be so pussy whipped by our government that we'll need anti knife ads -
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Or give our wives the latest in pointless cutlery -
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1192969/Pointless-The-new-kitchen-knife-chops-wont-stab.html
But don't go waving that pointless marvel at ruffians -
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9708511/Judge-attacks-genius-prosecutors-after-householder-confronts-yobs-with-knife.html .
And certainly don't stab them while they are busy killing your mom, we have the bobbies ole chap to deal with such things -
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1270395/First-picture-boy-killed-save-mother.html .
Unbelievable
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Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed; as they are in almost every kingdom in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops that can be, on any pretence, raised in the United States. A military force, at the command of Congress, can execute no laws, but such as the people perceive to be just and constitutional; for they will possess the power, and jealousy will instantly inspire the inclination, to resist the execution of a law which appears to them unjust and oppressive.
---Noah Webster, An Examination of the Leading Principles of the Federal Constitution (Philadelphia 1787).
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_the_United_States
1700s
The earliest known United States shooting to happen on school property was the Pontiac's Rebellion school massacre on July 26, 1764, where four Lenape American Indians entered the schoolhouse near present-day Greencastle, Pennsylvania, shot and killed schoolmaster Enoch Brown, and killed nine or ten children (reports vary). Only three children survived.[1]
1800s
November 2, 1853: Louisville, Kentucky A student, Matthew Ward, bought a self-cocking pistol in the morning, went to school and killed schoolmaster Mr. Butler for excessively punishing his brother the day before. Even though he shot the schoolmaster point blank in front of his classmates, he was acquitted.[2]
June 8, 1867: New York City At Public School No. 18, a 13 year old boy brought a pistol loaded and capped, without the knowledge of his parents or school-teachers, and shot and injured a classmate.[3]
December 22, 1868: Chattanooga, Tennessee A boy who refused to be whipped and left school, returned, with his brother and a friend, the next day to seek revenge on his teacher. Not finding the teacher at the school, they continued to his house, where a gun battle rang out, leaving three dead. Only the brother survived.[4]
March 9, 1873: Salisbury, Maryland After school as Miss Shockley was walking with four small children, she was approached by a Mr. Hall and shot. The Schoolmaster ran out, but Miss Shockley had died instantly. Hall threw himself under a train that night.[5]
May 24, 1879: Lancaster, New York As the carriage loaded with female students was pulling out of the school's stables, Frank Shugart, a telegraph operator, shot and severely injured Mr. Carr, Superintendent of the stables.[6]
March 6, 1884: Boston, Massachusetts As news of Jesse James reached the east coast, young kids started to act in the same manner. An article from the New York Times reads, Another "Jesse James" Gang - Word was brought to the Fifth Police Station to-night that a number of boys were using the Concord-street School-house for some unknown purpose, and a posse of officers was sent to investigate. The gang scattered at the approach of the police, and in their flight one drew a revolver and fired at Officer Rowan, without effect, however. William Nangle, age 14, and Sidney Duncan, age 12, were captured, but the other five or six escaped, among them the one who did the shooting. The boys refused to disclose the object of their meeting, but it is thought that another "Jesse James" organization has been broken up.[7]
March 15, 1884: Gainesville, Georgia In the middle of the day, a group of very drunk Jackson County farmers left the Jug Tavern drinking and shooting their revolvers as they headed down the street driving people into their homes. As they approached the female academy, the girls fled the schoolyard into the school where the gang followed swearing and shooting, firing several rounds into the front door. No one was hurt.[8]
June 12, 1887: Cleveland, Tennessee Will Guess went to the school and fatally shot Miss Irene Fann, his little sister's teacher, for whipping her the day before.[9]
June 13, 1889: New Brunswick, New Jersey Charles Crawford, upset over an argument with a school Trustee, went up to the window and fired a pistol into a crowded school room. The bullet lodged in the wall just above the teacher's head.[10]
April 9, 1891: The first known mass shooting in the U.S. where students were shot, when 70 year old James Foster fired a shotgun at a group of students in the playground of St. Mary's Parochial School, Newburgh, New York, causing minor injuries to several of the students.[11] The majority of attacks during this time period by students on other students or teachers usually involved stabbing with knives or hitting with stones.
1900–1930s
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There are very seldom reports of mass or multiple school shootings during the first three decades of the 20th Century, with the three most violent attacks on schools involving either arson or explosions.
February 26, 1902: Camargo, Illinois teacher Fletcher R. Barnett shot and killed another teacher, Eva C. Wiseman, in front of her class at a school near Camargo, Illinois. After shooting at a pupil who came to help Miss Wiseman and wounding himself in a failed suicide attempt he waited in the classroom until a group of farmers came to lynch him. He then ran out of the school building, grabbed a shotgun from one of the farmers and shot himself, before running away and leaping into a well where he finally drowned. The incident was likely sparked by Wiseman's refusal to marry Barnett.
February 24, 1903: Inman, South Carolina Edward Foster, a 17-year-old student at Inman High school, was shot and fatally wounded by his teacher Reuben Pitts after he had jerked a rod from Pitts' hands to resist punishment. According to the teacher, Foster struck the pistol Pitts had drawn to defend himself, thus causing its discharge. Pitts was later acquitted of murder.
October 10, 1906: Cleveland, Ohio Harry Smith shot and killed 22-year-old teacher Mary Shepard at South Euclid School after she had rejected him. Smith escaped and committed suicide in a barn near his home two hours later.
March 23, 1907: Carmi, Illinois George Nicholson shot and killed John Kurd at a schoolhouse outside of Carmi, Illinois during a school rehearsal. The motive for the shooting was Kurd making a disparaging remark about Nicholson's daughter during her recital.
March 11, 1908: Boston, Massachusetts Elizabeth Bailey Hardee was shot to death by Sarah Chamberlain Weed at the Laurens School, a finishing school in Boston. Weed then turned the gun on herself and committed suicide.
April 15, 1908: Asheville, North Carolina Dr. C. O. Swinney shot and fatally wounded his 16-year-old daughter Nellie in a reception room at Normal and Collegiate Institute. He then committed suicide by shooting himself in the head.
February 12, 1909: San Francisco, California 10-year-old Dorothy Malakanoff was shot and killed by 49-year-old Demetri Tereaschinko as she arrived at her school in San Francisco. Tereaschinko then shot himself in a failed suicide attempt. Tereaschinko was reportedly upset that Malakanoff refused to elope with him.
January 10, 1912: Warrenville, Illinois Sylvester E. Adams shot and killed teacher Edith Smith after she rejected his advances. Adams then shot and killed himself. The incident took place in a schoolhouse about a mile outside of Warrenville after the students had been dismissed for the day.
March 27, 1919: Lodi Township, Michigan 19-year-old teacher Irma Casler was shot and killed in her classroom at Rentschler school in Lodi Township, Michigan by Robert Warner, apparently because she had rejected his advances.
April 2, 1921: Syracuse, New York Professor Holmes Beckwith shot and killed dean J. Herman Wharton in his office at Syracuse University before committing suicide.
February 15, 1927: Hempstead, New York James O'Donnell, 18-year-old senior at Hempstead High School, shot himself to death on the stage in the school's auditorium. A suicide note stated that O'Donnell killed himself to lessen the financial burden on his family.
May 18, 1927: Bath, Michigan School treasurer Andrew Kehoe, after killing his wife and destroying his house and farm, blew up the Bath Consolidated School by detonating dynamite in the basement of the school, killing 38 people, mostly children. He then pulled up to the school in his Ford car, then set off a truck bomb, killing himself and four others. Only one shot was fired in order to detonate dynamite in the car. This was the deadliest act of mass murder at a school in the United States.
May 22, 1930: Ringe, Minnesota Margaret Wegman, 20-year-old teacher at the local rural school, was shot and killed in the school by 24-year-old Douglas Petersen.
May 28, 1931: Duluth, Minnesota Katherine McMillen, 24-year-old teacher at the Howard Gensen rural school near Duluth, was accidentally shot and killed by a revolver brought to school by a pupil.
February 15, 1933: Downey, California Dr. Vernon Blythe shot and killed his wife Eleanor, as well as his 8-year old son Robert at Gallatin grammar school and committed suicide after firing three more shots at his other son Vernon. His wife, who had been a teacher at the school, had filed for divorce the week before.
September 14, 1934: Gill, Massachusetts. Headmaster Elliott Speer was murdered by a shotgun blast through the window of his study at Northfield Mount Hermon School. The crime was never solved.
March 27, 1935: Medora, North Dakota Emily Hartl, 24-year-old teacher at the Manlon school northwest of Medora, was shot and killed at the school by 28-year-old Harry McGill, a former suitor.
December 12, 1935: New York City, New York, Victor Koussow, a Russian laboratory worker at the School of Dental and Oral Surgery, shot Prof. Arthur Taylor Rowe, Prof. Paul B. Wiberg, and wounded Dr. William H. Crawford at Columbia Presbyterian Hospital, before committing suicide.
April 27, 1936: Lincoln, Nebraska, Prof. John Weller shot and wounded Prof. Harry Kurz in a corridor of the University of Nebraska, apparently because of his impending dismissal at the end of the semester. After shooting Kurz Weller tried to escape, but was surrounded by police on the campus, whereupon he killed himself with a shot in the chest.
June 4, 1936: Bethlehem, Pennsylvania, Wesley Crow shot and killed his Lehigh University English instructor, C. Wesley Phy. Crow went to Phy's office and demanded that Mr. Phy change his grade to a passing mark. Crow committed suicide after shooting Phy.
September 24, 1937: Toledo, Ohio 12-year-old Robert Snyder shot and wounded his principal, June Mapes, in her office at Arlington public school when she declined his request to call a classmate. He then fled the school grounds and shot and wounded himself.
And you still think guns should be regulated
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And you still think guns should be regulated
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Its a right moron.
wrong anal leak not a right if it were you wouldn't need to file paperwork in order to own a gun or carry one concealed or not concealed
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Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed; as they are in almost every kingdom in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops that can be, on any pretence, raised in the United States. A military force, at the command of Congress, can execute no laws, but such as the people perceive to be just and constitutional; for they will possess the power, and jealousy will instantly inspire the inclination, to resist the execution of a law which appears to them unjust and oppressive.
---Noah Webster, An Examination of the Leading Principles of the Federal Constitution (Philadelphia 1787).
THIS!
The part some of these naive ignoramuses aren't grasping!
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wrong anal leak not a right if it were you wouldn't need to file paperwork in order to own a gun or carry one concealed or not concealed
2nd Amendment dipshit. Bill of Rights. Look it up.
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wrong anal leak not a right if it were you wouldn't need to file paperwork in order to own a gun or carry one concealed or not concealed
It's in the Bill of RIGHTS.
I take it you're not familiar?
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It's in the Bill of RIGHTS.
I take it you're not familiar?
on paper it sounds good but if you take a look at the facts it really isn't a right
if it was you could walk into any gun store and buy whatever you wanted without a background check.I was a marine and i still had to have a background check in order to buy a hand gun i know people who were denied so how is it really a right. bill of rights or not you can still be turned down ..
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on paper it sounds good but if you take a look at the facts it really isn't a right
if it was you could walk into any gun store and buy whatever you wanted without a background check.I was a marine and i still had to have a background check in order to buy a hand gun i know people who were denied so how is it really a right. bill of rights or not you can still be turned down ..
Freedom of speech is a right, and it has limits as well. The list goes on...
I can privately buy a gun from anyone, no questions asked... I can carry it openly (where I live) without a permit.
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Governor Kasich of Ohio just signed a bill allowing guns to be carried into the parking garage at the State Building (although they still have to remain locked in car).
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you know its funny how people want to make gun buying laws harder...the shooter kid went to dicks to buy but didnt want to wait for the waiting period, so just stole his moms. the system here WORKED and he wasnt able to buy any guns.
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lot of scared, men in this thread...
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lot of scared, men in this thread...
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lot of scared, men in this thread...
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True Adonis laying down the law in this thread. Its truly a beautiful moment :'(
Thank you TA.
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True Adonis laying down the law in this thread. Its truly a beautiful moment :'(
Thank you TA.
Brings a tear to my eye... Showing a boy like myself how it's done
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lot of scared, men in this thread...
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Do these men look scared to you?
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Its a shame that Ameritards imbue in the right to bare arms such a connotation of civil freedom. Most if not all countries have very strict gun laws and, coincidentally or not, have no issues with gun violence and have high standards of civil liberty.
Worst of all, all of you morons raise the banner of the right to bare arms as a symbol of freedom, yet cant seem to grasp the basic concept that with every right comes a duty, which you just dont acknowledge. You people think that having the right to bare arms comes with no duties whatsoever, absolute discretion of the individual, you are all waaaaaaaay ignorant about this and your kids are paying the consequences of it.
Also, keep posting quotes by barely known (and thats too generous) "thinkers" to support your views.
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Its a shame that Ameritards imbue in the right to bare arms such a connotation of civil freedom. Most if not all countries have very strict gun laws and, coincidentally or not, have no issues with gun violence and have high standards of civil liberty.
Worst of all, all of you morons raise the banner of the right to bare arms as a symbol of freedom, yet cant seem to grasp the basic concept that with every right comes a duty, which you just dont acknowledge. You people think that having the right to bare arms comes with no duties whatsoever, absolute discretion of the individual, you are all waaaaaaaay ignorant about this and your kids are paying the consequences of it.
Also, keep posting quotes by barely known (and thats too generous) "thinkers" to support your views.
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Thomas Jefferson and Thomas Paine, John Adams, James Madison barely known?
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Its a shame that Ameritards imbue in the right to bare arms such a connotation of civil freedom. Most if not all countries have very strict gun laws and, coincidentally or not, have no issues with gun violence and have high standards of civil liberty.
Worst of all, all of you morons raise the banner of the right to bare arms as a symbol of freedom, yet cant seem to grasp the basic concept that with every right comes a duty, which you just dont acknowledge. You people think that having the right to bare arms comes with no duties whatsoever, absolute discretion of the individual, you are all waaaaaaaay ignorant about this and your kids are paying the consequences of it.
Also, keep posting quotes by barely known (and thats too generous) "thinkers" to support your views.
Don`t like it? Don`t come here. Stay in your 450 square foot concrete block that you call a home and protect yourself with a kitchen knife.
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Thomas Jefferson and Thomas Paine, John Adams, James Madison barely known?
Guy is obviously trolling with a statement like that.
What would your great great grandfather say about this clown?
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Thomas Jefferson and Thomas Paine, John Adams, James Madison barely known?
Yes kiddo, all but Thomas Jefferson are only known in the land of McD's, few people outside your borders will know who the other characters are because they are not relevant to anybody else.
If I were you, I'd go ask John Rawls, Michael Walzer, Peter Singer (he is australian but is currently teaching in the US), Nozick, any Justice of the Supreme Court (dont know their names), Tom Beauchamp, you know, people who actually KNOW about the law and politics. I really think its funny, and at the same time pathetic, that you do not quote any of the vast intellectuals that teach and practice the disciplnes of philosophy and law on your country (considering you have the four best Law Schools in the world), much less quote globally relevant thinkers on gun control and gun politics. This just goes to show how little you know on the subject and how unwilling you are to educate yourself on it with the people that matter.
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Don`t like it? Don`t come here. Stay in your 450 square foot concrete block that you call a home and protect yourself with a kitchen knife.
Oh, I will, and Ill be glad doing that knowing my kids will not be submitted to constant media paranoia, living with the impendent fear of getting massacred by irresponsible assholes.
Your view of civil liberty is taking its toll gun-wise, much like its doing with your economy.
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Yes kiddo, all but Thomas Jefferson are only known in the land of McD's, few people outside your borders will know who the other characters are because they are not relevant to anybody else.
If I were you, I'd go ask John Rawls, Michael Walzer, Peter Singer (he is australian but is currently teaching in the US), Nozick, any Justice of the Supreme Court (dont know their names), Tom Beauchamp, you know, people who actually KNOW about the law and politics.
Bullshit... The 2nd President of the US isn't known?
Cut the fucking shit.
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on paper it sounds good but if you take a look at the facts it really isn't a right
if it was you could walk into any gun store and buy whatever you wanted without a background check.I was a marine and i still had to have a background check in order to buy a hand gun i know people who were denied so how is it really a right. bill of rights or not you can still be turned down ..
The first amendment(freedom of speech) also has boundaries. Try making a threat against the President and see what happens. Does that mean freedom of speech isn't a right?
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Thomas Jefferson and Thomas Paine, John Adams, James Madison barely known?
Great line in Lincoln
Abraham Lincoln was a great raconteur. A favourite story was about the Revolutionary War hero Ethan Allen. Shortly after the Peace was signed between America and Britain Allen visited England. The British would often make fun of the Americans especially General Washington. One day his host put up a picture of George Washington in the outside lavatory. Allen ignored the insult until he was pressed to make a comment. Much to his host’s surprise he thought it very appropriate – for clearly nothing made the English open their bowels ‘so quick as the sight of General Washington!’
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The first amendment(freedom of speech) also has boundaries. Try making a threat against the President and see what happens. Does that mean freedom of speech isn't a right?
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Worst case the Secret Service show up and interview you to determine if you're a fucking psycho or just someone that's pissed off at his President.
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I think any politician who publicly stats they want to abolish the 2nd amendment should be shot for treason by the very guns he's trying to take out of the peoples hands.
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Worst case the Secret Service show up and interview you to determine if you're a fucking psycho or just someone that's pissed off at his President.
I'm pretty sure you can be brought up on charges for saying such things regardless if they think you're a psycho or not.
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Great Great Grandpa always said it's better to die upon your feet like an American than to live upon your knees like an Englishman. (or Australian)
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Great line in Lincoln
Abraham Lincoln was a great raconteur. A favourite story was about the Revolutionary War hero Ethan Allen. Shortly after the Peace was signed between America and Britain Allen visited England. The British would often make fun of the Americans especially General Washington. One day his host put up a picture of George Washington in the outside lavatory. Allen ignored the insult until he was pressed to make a comment. Much to his host’s surprise he thought it very appropriate – for clearly nothing made the English open their bowels ‘so quick as the sight of General Washington!’
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I'm pretty sure you can be brought up on charges for saying such things regardless if they think you're a psycho or not.
It happened several times, people making threats about Obama. In all the ones I read, the SS just interviewed them, laughed, and left. We're not the UK.
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Do these men look scared to you?
hmmmmm and you figured I didnt mean it in a pro gun way how??
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Great Great Grandpa always said it's better to die upon your feet like an American than to live upon your knees like an Englishman. (or Australian)
rofl...i can agree with your grandpa
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its democrat media has fagged out usa youth so much that this is even thinkable
in old days we round up lawyers n beat em half to death for even suggesting taking guns
jewfest lef by bloomberg n bernake need a beatdown
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True Adonis f**king owning the gun grabbing politicians and the ignorant wimpy liberals with this thread.
Cheers brother!
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I appreciate you taking this thread on TA! Very good quotes and information in your posts!
x2 on that.laying down what the founders thought.
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Don`t like it? Don`t come here. Stay in your 450 square foot concrete block that you call a home and protect yourself with a kitchen knife.
hahahahahahhahahahahahah!!!
Dead on ;D ;D ;D
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There's a good reason the 2nd Amendment follows the 1st Amendment...
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“False is the idea of utility that sacrifices a thousand real advantages for one imaginary or trifling inconvenience; that would take fire from men because it burns, and water because one may drown in it; that it has no remedy for evils, except destruction. The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are of such a nature. Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man.” -- Cesare Beccaria, as quoted by Thomas Jefferson's Commonplace book
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It happened several times, people making threats about Obama. In all the ones I read, the SS just interviewed them, laughed, and left. We're not the UK.
I'm not buying the secret service ever laughing about threats to the President on any level...Hell you wouldn't find a regular cop laughing about something like that let alone the SS. There's literally 1000's of threats on the President. 75% of these people are deemed mentally ill. Many people in prison threaten the President and even though they know that the threat can't be acted out, they press charges against the prisoner.
Interesting read here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Threatening_the_President_of_the_United_States
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"Freedom is only for those who have the guts to defend it".
That fella that killed the burglar - jailed by laws created by a bunch of homo-pedo Brit politicians.
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Been giving you a rough time TA but those are very good quotes!
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https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/end-gun-free-zones-and-we-people-demand-vote-citizens-protection-act-hr-2613/wYB29JCk
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Anyone notice this on the front page of youtube for the last week or so...
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Anyone notice this on the front page of youtube for the last week or so...
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Its ridiculous at this point. You can tell its an organized effort. This is what they have been waiting for.
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Its ridiculous at this point. You can tell its an organized effort. This is what they have been waiting for.
As Ozmo said, it's like throwing meat to hungry sharks.
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Are you saying this sign didn't work at Sandy Hook?
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I posted this petition on 4chan...
It's going up by about one signature a minute now.
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/end-gun-free-zones-and-we-people-demand-vote-citizens-protection-act-hr-2613/wYB29JCk
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Lol, one of the 1st signatures that popped up when I clicked the link was from 30 miles north of me, go figure.
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This is a good one
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/we-ask-president-obama-support-law-abiding-gun-owners-time-tragedy/VBpRRMPR
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I agree with the few others, the 2nd amendment is not a right but a privilige. If it's not for everyone it's a privilige for some. Change your fucking constitution fellas.
And if you are so paranoid about government (rightly so I think) why don't you strive for some kind of anarchy based system?
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To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them. – George Mason
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X2 amendments.
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I agree with the few others, the 2nd amendment is not a right but a privilige. If it's not for everyone it's a privilige for some. Change your fucking constitution fellas.
And if you are so paranoid about government (rightly so I think) why don't you strive for some kind of anarchy based system?
The only anarchist in America are run by the CIA.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_the_United_States
1700s
The earliest known United States shooting to happen on school property was the Pontiac's Rebellion school massacre on July 26, 1764, where four Lenape American Indians entered the schoolhouse near present-day Greencastle, Pennsylvania, shot and killed schoolmaster Enoch Brown, and killed nine or ten children (reports vary). Only three children survived.[1]
1800s
November 2, 1853: Louisville, Kentucky A student, Matthew Ward, bought a self-cocking pistol in the morning, went to school and killed schoolmaster Mr. Butler for excessively punishing his brother the day before. Even though he shot the schoolmaster point blank in front of his classmates, he was acquitted.[2]
June 8, 1867: New York City At Public School No. 18, a 13 year old boy brought a pistol loaded and capped, without the knowledge of his parents or school-teachers, and shot and injured a classmate.[3]
December 22, 1868: Chattanooga, Tennessee A boy who refused to be whipped and left school, returned, with his brother and a friend, the next day to seek revenge on his teacher. Not finding the teacher at the school, they continued to his house, where a gun battle rang out, leaving three dead. Only the brother survived.[4]
March 9, 1873: Salisbury, Maryland After school as Miss Shockley was walking with four small children, she was approached by a Mr. Hall and shot. The Schoolmaster ran out, but Miss Shockley had died instantly. Hall threw himself under a train that night.[5]
May 24, 1879: Lancaster, New York As the carriage loaded with female students was pulling out of the school's stables, Frank Shugart, a telegraph operator, shot and severely injured Mr. Carr, Superintendent of the stables.[6]
March 6, 1884: Boston, Massachusetts As news of Jesse James reached the east coast, young kids started to act in the same manner. An article from the New York Times reads, Another "Jesse James" Gang - Word was brought to the Fifth Police Station to-night that a number of boys were using the Concord-street School-house for some unknown purpose, and a posse of officers was sent to investigate. The gang scattered at the approach of the police, and in their flight one drew a revolver and fired at Officer Rowan, without effect, however. William Nangle, age 14, and Sidney Duncan, age 12, were captured, but the other five or six escaped, among them the one who did the shooting. The boys refused to disclose the object of their meeting, but it is thought that another "Jesse James" organization has been broken up.[7]
March 15, 1884: Gainesville, Georgia In the middle of the day, a group of very drunk Jackson County farmers left the Jug Tavern drinking and shooting their revolvers as they headed down the street driving people into their homes. As they approached the female academy, the girls fled the schoolyard into the school where the gang followed swearing and shooting, firing several rounds into the front door. No one was hurt.[8]
June 12, 1887: Cleveland, Tennessee Will Guess went to the school and fatally shot Miss Irene Fann, his little sister's teacher, for whipping her the day before.[9]
June 13, 1889: New Brunswick, New Jersey Charles Crawford, upset over an argument with a school Trustee, went up to the window and fired a pistol into a crowded school room. The bullet lodged in the wall just above the teacher's head.[10]
April 9, 1891: The first known mass shooting in the U.S. where students were shot, when 70 year old James Foster fired a shotgun at a group of students in the playground of St. Mary's Parochial School, Newburgh, New York, causing minor injuries to several of the students.[11] The majority of attacks during this time period by students on other students or teachers usually involved stabbing with knives or hitting with stones.
1900–1930s
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There are very seldom reports of mass or multiple school shootings during the first three decades of the 20th Century, with the three most violent attacks on schools involving either arson or explosions.
February 26, 1902: Camargo, Illinois teacher Fletcher R. Barnett shot and killed another teacher, Eva C. Wiseman, in front of her class at a school near Camargo, Illinois. After shooting at a pupil who came to help Miss Wiseman and wounding himself in a failed suicide attempt he waited in the classroom until a group of farmers came to lynch him. He then ran out of the school building, grabbed a shotgun from one of the farmers and shot himself, before running away and leaping into a well where he finally drowned. The incident was likely sparked by Wiseman's refusal to marry Barnett.
February 24, 1903: Inman, South Carolina Edward Foster, a 17-year-old student at Inman High school, was shot and fatally wounded by his teacher Reuben Pitts after he had jerked a rod from Pitts' hands to resist punishment. According to the teacher, Foster struck the pistol Pitts had drawn to defend himself, thus causing its discharge. Pitts was later acquitted of murder.
October 10, 1906: Cleveland, Ohio Harry Smith shot and killed 22-year-old teacher Mary Shepard at South Euclid School after she had rejected him. Smith escaped and committed suicide in a barn near his home two hours later.
March 23, 1907: Carmi, Illinois George Nicholson shot and killed John Kurd at a schoolhouse outside of Carmi, Illinois during a school rehearsal. The motive for the shooting was Kurd making a disparaging remark about Nicholson's daughter during her recital.
March 11, 1908: Boston, Massachusetts Elizabeth Bailey Hardee was shot to death by Sarah Chamberlain Weed at the Laurens School, a finishing school in Boston. Weed then turned the gun on herself and committed suicide.
April 15, 1908: Asheville, North Carolina Dr. C. O. Swinney shot and fatally wounded his 16-year-old daughter Nellie in a reception room at Normal and Collegiate Institute. He then committed suicide by shooting himself in the head.
February 12, 1909: San Francisco, California 10-year-old Dorothy Malakanoff was shot and killed by 49-year-old Demetri Tereaschinko as she arrived at her school in San Francisco. Tereaschinko then shot himself in a failed suicide attempt. Tereaschinko was reportedly upset that Malakanoff refused to elope with him.
January 10, 1912: Warrenville, Illinois Sylvester E. Adams shot and killed teacher Edith Smith after she rejected his advances. Adams then shot and killed himself. The incident took place in a schoolhouse about a mile outside of Warrenville after the students had been dismissed for the day.
March 27, 1919: Lodi Township, Michigan 19-year-old teacher Irma Casler was shot and killed in her classroom at Rentschler school in Lodi Township, Michigan by Robert Warner, apparently because she had rejected his advances.
April 2, 1921: Syracuse, New York Professor Holmes Beckwith shot and killed dean J. Herman Wharton in his office at Syracuse University before committing suicide.
February 15, 1927: Hempstead, New York James O'Donnell, 18-year-old senior at Hempstead High School, shot himself to death on the stage in the school's auditorium. A suicide note stated that O'Donnell killed himself to lessen the financial burden on his family.
May 18, 1927: Bath, Michigan School treasurer Andrew Kehoe, after killing his wife and destroying his house and farm, blew up the Bath Consolidated School by detonating dynamite in the basement of the school, killing 38 people, mostly children. He then pulled up to the school in his Ford car, then set off a truck bomb, killing himself and four others. Only one shot was fired in order to detonate dynamite in the car. This was the deadliest act of mass murder at a school in the United States.
May 22, 1930: Ringe, Minnesota Margaret Wegman, 20-year-old teacher at the local rural school, was shot and killed in the school by 24-year-old Douglas Petersen.
May 28, 1931: Duluth, Minnesota Katherine McMillen, 24-year-old teacher at the Howard Gensen rural school near Duluth, was accidentally shot and killed by a revolver brought to school by a pupil.
February 15, 1933: Downey, California Dr. Vernon Blythe shot and killed his wife Eleanor, as well as his 8-year old son Robert at Gallatin grammar school and committed suicide after firing three more shots at his other son Vernon. His wife, who had been a teacher at the school, had filed for divorce the week before.
September 14, 1934: Gill, Massachusetts. Headmaster Elliott Speer was murdered by a shotgun blast through the window of his study at Northfield Mount Hermon School. The crime was never solved.
March 27, 1935: Medora, North Dakota Emily Hartl, 24-year-old teacher at the Manlon school northwest of Medora, was shot and killed at the school by 28-year-old Harry McGill, a former suitor.
December 12, 1935: New York City, New York, Victor Koussow, a Russian laboratory worker at the School of Dental and Oral Surgery, shot Prof. Arthur Taylor Rowe, Prof. Paul B. Wiberg, and wounded Dr. William H. Crawford at Columbia Presbyterian Hospital, before committing suicide.
April 27, 1936: Lincoln, Nebraska, Prof. John Weller shot and wounded Prof. Harry Kurz in a corridor of the University of Nebraska, apparently because of his impending dismissal at the end of the semester. After shooting Kurz Weller tried to escape, but was surrounded by police on the campus, whereupon he killed himself with a shot in the chest.
June 4, 1936: Bethlehem, Pennsylvania, Wesley Crow shot and killed his Lehigh University English instructor, C. Wesley Phy. Crow went to Phy's office and demanded that Mr. Phy change his grade to a passing mark. Crow committed suicide after shooting Phy.
September 24, 1937: Toledo, Ohio 12-year-old Robert Snyder shot and wounded his principal, June Mapes, in her office at Arlington public school when she declined his request to call a classmate. He then fled the school grounds and shot and wounded himself.
This is essentially the thought at the end of 'No Country For Old Men". The world has had its problems all along, you just get older and start noticing it. Kind of like when you go on a drive, and one day you see a tree that you never noticed before, but once you do, you realize it has always been there. Spot on TA
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Are we at last brought to such humiliating and debasing degradation that we cannot be trusted with arms for our defense? Where is the difference between having our arms in possession and under our direction, and having them under the management of Congress? If our defense be the real object of having those arms, in whose hands can they be trusted with more propriety, or equal safety to us, as in our own hands? - Patrick Henry
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There is nothing particularly humilating about living in a country where 6 year olds don't get shot repeatedly in the face every couple of days.
Hope this helps ;D
John Henry was a paedophile.
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Who was John Henry? ???
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fair dos, i have no idea, some paedophile probably
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fair dos, i have no idea, some paedophile probably
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What are you talking about?
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I agree with the few others, the 2nd amendment is not a right but a privilige. If it's not for everyone it's a privilige for some. Change your fucking constitution fellas.
Who cares whether you agree with others that something our Constitution explicitly defines as a right isn't a right?
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Okay so I lost the thread a bit there by typing the wrong name. But I stand by the awesomeness of countries that don't encourage a culture that leads to repeated child massacres, based on some pussy notion that you need a massive gun under your pillow to live without fear. Fucking retarded to the Nth degree. For instance my neighbourhood = civilised, noone has guns so noone needs to defend themselves with other guns. Pretty simple. The backward logic that Americans use to say "if teachers had guns they could shoot the bad gunmen before they kill too many 6 year olds in the face, thus preventing these massacres" is beyond childish, and exemplifies the exact problem.
Noone has guns = no shootings
Everyone has guns = constant bloodbaths
I needn't justify this further, the joke is on the children of your nation, keep arguing wrongly at their expense by all means.
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Okay so I lost the thread a bit there by typing the wrong name. But I stand by the awesomeness of countries that don't encourage a culture that leads to repeated child massacres, based on some pussy notion that you need a massive gun under your pillow to live without fear. Fucking retarded to the Nth degree. For instance my neighbourhood = civilised, noone has guns so noone needs to defend themselves with other guns. Pretty simple. The backward logic that Americans use to say "if teachers had guns they could shoot the bad gunmen before they kill too many 6 year olds in the face, thus preventing these massacres" is beyond childish, and exemplifies the exact problem.
Noone has guns = no shootings
Everyone has guns = constant bloodbaths
I needn't justify this further, the joke is on the children of your nation, keep arguing wrongly at their expense by all means.
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Great Conservative source there. That will bring those 6 year olds back from the dead. Good man.
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Great Conservative source there. That will bring those 6 year olds back from the dead. Good man.
Stop acting like you care , you're another idiot obsessed with America
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Not really sure how, in context, any amount of UK bashing can un-shoot these kids. I'm not especially patriotic, and bad shit happens here too, but your logic is not doing you any favours or saving any lives. Your kids are dead fuck-tards.
Ifyou give a shit you'll try and sort it out, not arrogantly say "well....this other country did this other bad thing so it's okay".
Unless you're more interested in proudly making your constitution look infallible than actually preventing further atrocities.
Oh you are, my bad.
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I should clarify, you guys are the fucktards, not the kids.
Many thanks,
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Not really sure how, in context, any amount of UK bashing can un-shoot these kids. I'm not especially patriotic, and bad shit happens here too, but your logic is not doing you any favours or saving any lives. Your kids are dead fuck-tards.
Ifyou give a shit you'll try and sort it out, not arrogantly say "well....this other country did this other bad thing so it's okay".
Unless you're more interested in proudly making your constitution look infallible than actually preventing further atrocities.
Oh you are, my bad.
Banning guns wont bring back these kids either your point? banning guns wont prevent this again your point? your fake concern is cute but you're not ever good at trolling.
Ifyou give a shit you'll try and sort it out, not arrogantly say "well....this other country did this other bad thing so it's okay".
Irony alert , your saying to be like your country and all will be well , sorry sport not accurate, keep riding the Hate America band wagon
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Not really sure how, in context, any amount of UK bashing can un-shoot these kids. I'm not especially patriotic, and bad shit happens here too, but your logic is not doing you any favours or saving any lives. Your kids are dead fuck-tards.
Ifyou give a shit you'll try and sort it out, not arrogantly say "well....this other country did this other bad thing so it's okay".
Unless you're more interested in proudly making your constitution look infallible than actually preventing further atrocities.
Oh you are, my bad.
Whats done is done, nothing is bringing those kids back. Taking away firearms isn't going to stop anyone hell bent on killing people. They will find a way.
That's life, tragic shit happens everywhere, it doesn't mean you should start sacrificing your freedoms in blind hope that people are going to suddenly stop killing.
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Who cares whether you agree with others that something our Constitution explicitly defines as a right isn't a right?
You're a good man avxo (when you're not bitching me out).
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Millions of Americans go to Europe, Asia, Australia, South America, Africa, Canada and Mexico on trips and live without guns. This issue has absolutely nothing to do with fear.
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Millions of Americans go to Europe, Asia, Australia, South America, Africa, Canada and Mexico on trips and live without guns. This issue has absolutely nothing to do with fear.
I would hate to go to a country that wouldn't let me carry a gun. Even inside the USA, I try to plan vacations so I can cary wherever I go. The thought of leaving things 100% up to fate sucks to me. I'd like to always have a little bit of a chance should some random bad guy decide to rob me or worse. In many situations, you have a window where something smells fishy or you hear the initial burst... nowhere to run, you can always pull gun, hunker down, and wait it out. If you don't have a gun, it's just "hide and hope for the best".
I know how I feel when I have to dis-arm to go in a gun-free zone. I'm not crazy about it, but I comply with the law. I just feel less confident knowing some nutjob could choose anyplace, and that nutjobs prefer gun-free zones.
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my cousin is a cop and an ex-olympics shooter (competed at the greece olympics, indoor, moving target), he carries his weapon with him everywhere. when he goes out to the bar and gets hammered, he has the gun. when he goes out fishing, he has the gun. when he goes to a nice restaurant, he has the gun. when he goes to his sisters wedding, he has the gun. and being around him doesnt make me feel safe, even though he is armed and could knock the wings off a fly from across the room if he needed to. being around him makes me feel less safe. places where i would normally get beligerent and act a fool , for example college football game, i am less eager to engage in confrontation knowing the gun is present. just seems to me a real easy way to escalate things completely out of proportion.
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my cousin is a cop and an ex-olympics shooter (competed at the greece olympics, indoor, moving target), he carries his weapon with him everywhere. when he goes out to the bar and gets hammered, he has the gun. when he goes out fishing, he has the gun. when he goes to a nice restaurant, he has the gun. when he goes to his sisters wedding, he has the gun. and being around him doesnt make me feel safe, even though he is armed and could knock the wings off a fly from across the room if he needed to. being around him makes me feel less safe. places where i would normally get beligerent and act a fool , for example college football game, i am less eager to engage in confrontation knowing the gun is present. just seems to me a real easy way to escalate things completely out of proportion.
I never carry a gun (very rarely) although I can. I know that odds are I don't need it.
I don't like that someone can carry a gun everywhere, all the time, while your average citizen cannot. Only because he's a peace officer.
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my cousin is a cop and an ex-olympics shooter (competed at the greece olympics, indoor, moving target), he carries his weapon with him everywhere. when he goes out to the bar and gets hammered, he has the gun. when he goes out fishing, he has the gun. when he goes to a nice restaurant, he has the gun. when he goes to his sisters wedding, he has the gun. and being around him doesnt make me feel safe, even though he is armed and could knock the wings off a fly from across the room if he needed to. being around him makes me feel less safe. places where i would normally get beligerent and act a fool , for example college football game, i am less eager to engage in confrontation knowing the gun is present. just seems to me a real easy way to escalate things completely out of proportion.
alcohol and guns dont mix. One shoudl never carry when drinking. When I have 2 or 3 wines, it'll be at home with the guns locked up safe, in for the night. I have a few, watch a movie and eat, and sleep it off. That's it. If I choose to have a drink while out, it'll be one drink MAX.
I know people who carry and get hammered - VERY dangerous.
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I never carry a gun (very rarely) although I can. I know that odds are I don't need it.
I don't like that someone can carry a gun everywhere, all the time, while your average citizen cannot. Only because he's a peace officer.
i hear you.
alcohol and guns dont mix. One shoudl never carry when drinking. When I have 2 or 3 wines, it'll be at home with the guns locked up safe, in for the night. I have a few, watch a movie and eat, and sleep it off. That's it. If I choose to have a drink while out, it'll be one drink MAX.
I know people who carry and get hammered - VERY dangerous.
yeah i dont really care too much if my cousin is drinking, i just dont like the gun being around. period. now if we are at a shooting range, or out hunting, or just out in the wilderness where we can shoot without giving a fuck, them im all for it and will enjoy the fuck out of blowing shit up. but when around people in social atmospheres, i see guns as completely inappropriate. at a football game, at the store, walking the town, etc, whatever. if your carrying around a gun id rather not be around you.
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Are you nervous around people that are carrying knifes, hammers, nail guns, fireworks?
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Great Conservative source there. That will bring those 6 year olds back from the dead. Good man.
And putting more controls on guns will? Lets get this straight...even if another law passes that restricts the sale of certain firearms thats not going to do jack shit. Seung-Hui Cho used two PISTOLS and not ASSAULT STYLED RIFLES to kill 32 people in a GUN FREE ZONE.
In an ideal scenario either you would have guns completely banned and wiped out from public ownership but that is completely unconstitutional. However what the smartasses in Congress are trying to do is not going to stop future VT or CT shooters either because you can always take a PISTOL or a SHOTGUN into a GUN FREE ZONE and start blasting.
Some things are highlighted because certain individuals on this site have issues with comprehension and logical though process.
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Are you nervous around people that are carrying knifes, hammers, nail guns, fireworks?
fireworks - never. knifes hammers and nail guns? depends. in the kitchen or on a job site - nope. ;D if im in a bar or walking aroudn downtown - yes.
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fireworks - never. knifes hammers and nail guns? depends. in the kitchen or on a job site - nope. ;D if im in a bar or walking aroudn downtown - yes.
haha... you got me there ;D
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my cousin is a cop and an ex-olympics shooter (competed at the greece olympics, indoor, moving target), he carries his weapon with him everywhere. when he goes out to the bar and gets hammered, he has the gun. when he goes out fishing, he has the gun. when he goes to a nice restaurant, he has the gun. when he goes to his sisters wedding, he has the gun. and being around him doesnt make me feel safe, even though he is armed and could knock the wings off a fly from across the room if he needed to. being around him makes me feel less safe. places where i would normally get beligerent and act a fool , for example college football game, i am less eager to engage in confrontation knowing the gun is present. just seems to me a real easy way to escalate things completely out of proportion.
excellent post...
theres been a lot of shite wrote about the uk and our laws, but i have no fear what so ever about being shot, only people who get shot over here are propper criminals, who'l get shot over drugs or owed moneys etc
the violent crime thats been wrote about is muggings etc,,, maybe they would use a knife or threaten with a knife or whatever, and the victim will more than likely walk away roughed up but alive and well...would this happen in the usa? would it fuck, thats why your murder rate is so high
id hate to live in a country where people could openly buy and carry guns
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Serious question: Do you guys hold the gun while you jerk off or make love to your women, it sounds like GUNS are so important to you, you talk about them like their a young beautiful women who has taken you for a lover. Have any of you seriously thought about seeking help for what is obviously an unhealthy obsession?
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Question for all the pro gun people
Why does America go around disarming other countries of their nukes?
Nukes themselves don't kill people do they?
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Serious question: Do you guys hold the gun while you jerk off or make love to your women, it sounds like GUNS are so important to you, you talk about them like their a young beautiful women who has taken you for a lover. Have any of you seriously thought about seeking help for what is obviously an unhealthy obsession?
"Seeking help", just dripping with irony.
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Question for all the pro gun people
Why does America go around disarming other countries of their nukes?
Nukes themselves don't kill people do they?
It depends on the circumstance. Nobody wants an armed psychopath just like nobody should want a nuclear Iran.
We aren't saying everybody should have a gun, just law abiding citizens.
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Who cares whether you agree with others that something our Constitution explicitly defines as a right isn't a right?
Very good question "avxo".
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Question for all the pro gun people
Why does America go around disarming other countries of their nukes?
Nukes themselves don't kill people do they?
What nuclear power have we "disarmed of their nukes"?
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Very good question "avxo".
first off, i genuinely understand the fierce defense of your right to bare arms, as it been part of your countries way of life and psyche for over 200 years.
but wasnt that kid who killed all those children a law abiding citizen up until that point?, as well as all the other instances that have occurred where ordinary law abiding people have gone to work or school and killed a load of there work colleagues or other school children?
so how do you genuinely judge who is able to own a firearm and who is not.
these sort of events will always happen if someone is determined but if you remove guns from your society except for police and military then they will become less frequent, so isnt it worth it?
have any of the parents of those poor children been asked what they feel about the gun laws since this tragedy, im pretty sure i know what they would say.
so surely there comes a point when you have to say that the right of all those adults and young children who have lost their lives in these oh so common tragic events are far greater than your right to own a firearm.
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first off, i genuinely understand the fierce defense of your right to bare arms, as it been part of your countries way of life and psyche for over 200 years.
Actually, I wouldn't really call my defense fierce. Indeed, I believe that we must enact sensible regulations and believe that certain weapons should not qualify as "arms" under the 2nd Amendment (for example, I would be OK with preventing a civilian owning an M134). This puts me at odds with some who don't believe any restrictions are constitutional.
but wasnt that kid who killed all those children a law abiding citizen up until that point?, as well as all the other instances that have occurred where ordinary law abiding people have gone to work or school and killed a load of there work colleagues or other school children?
He may have been. But then again, every criminal is a law-abiding citizen until they commit a crime. Do we go around banning cocks because some use them for rape?
Also, let's not forget that mental illness might very well be involved here; we can't structure out society around the mentally ill.
so how do you genuinely judge who is able to own a firearm and who is not.
The answer is simple: I don't. I assume that everyone is able, barring evidence to the contrary. Most the time my assumption holds.
these sort of events will always happen if someone is determined but if you remove guns from your society except for police and military then they will become less frequent, so isnt it worth it?
They are already quite infrequent; so infrequent, in fact, statistically speaking it makes sense to tackle other problems, which affect more people. Like car accidents, various types of cancer, etc.
I am not opposed to some additional regulation if a rational argument in support for that regulation can be made. But I've yet to see such an argument .
have any of the parents of those poor children been asked what they feel about the gun laws since this tragedy, im pretty sure i know what they would say.
And what would it matter? Do we to asking families of victims of airplane crashes or car crashes how they feel about current plane or car design? We don't. What would such a thing achieve anyways?
The opinion of those who suffered a loss at Newtown is no more important or valid than the opinion of someone who hasn't.
so surely there comes a point when you have to say that the right of all those adults and young children who have lost their lives in these oh so common tragic events are far greater than your right to own a firearm.
Perhaps such a time will come, but it's not now. These aren't "oh so common" incidents. But don't take my word for it: look at the numbers yourself.
But if some Americans, at some point, decide that they want to scrap the 2nd Amendment they can do that through the appropriate process. They just have to convince a few others, is all.
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women feel VERY safe when they're with a responsible, armed man.
Not the thug type with a 9 in their waistband. I'm talking about a well-trained grownup who keeps his weapon handy for when things go wrong. When you're in bed and you hear a noise downstairs, women much prefer the man who calmly sweeps the house with his glock versus the fool who charges into the night with a golf club swinging.
Even women who consider themselves to be anti-gun or neutral will suddenly realize how much safer they feel in lines, at night, at gas stations, knowing their date can defend them
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Serious question: Do you guys hold the gun while you jerk off or make love to your women, it sounds like GUNS are so important to you, you talk about them like their a young beautiful women who has taken you for a lover. Have any of you seriously thought about seeking help for what is obviously an unhealthy obsession?
More projection on your part. You want gun owners to be nuts it's fits your preconceived notion of them , you're more concerned about clinging to this facade than finding out the truth.
And the irony if you saying someone has an unhealthy obsession, you have an irrational fear of weapons based on sensationalized news stories from the other side of the planet and keep spamming every post with your dribble on how we should all be like you , you're just as much as a nut as the people you're screaming about
What you're really telling us is you don't trust yourself with a gun hence why no one should own them.
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Serious question: Do you guys hold the gun while you jerk off or make love to your women, it sounds like GUNS are so important to you, you talk about them like their a young beautiful women who has taken you for a lover. Have any of you seriously thought about seeking help for what is obviously an unhealthy obsession?
Dude, you should seriously go to a psychologist. You clearly have some big mental issues you need to take care of.
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Do these men look scared to you?
I assume you americans realise that most of the signatories on the declaration of independance were either born in Britain or of British parents or grandparents. They were merely a group of freemasons setting up an independant outpost to grow a country without being under control of the crown.
Now if the red indians had signed the declaration of independence and won the war I could understand you being proud of beating the British. But in reality it was transatlantic civil war, British beating the British. The English and Scottish Masons were simply setting up their own country and the whole war of independance was a sham to allow an independant country to create great wealth for a limited number of ex Brits under the guise of the brotherhood of the Freemasons instead of being under king george.
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More projection on your part. You want gun owners to be nuts it's fits your preconceived notion of them , you're more concerned about clinging to this facade than finding out the truth.
And the irony if you saying someone has an unhealthy obsession, you have an irrational fear of weapons based on sensationalized news stories from the other side of the planet and keep spamming every post with your dribble on how we should all be like you , you're just as much as a nut as the people you're screaming about
What you're really telling us is you don't trust yourself with a gun hence why no one should own them.
More projection again, I trust myself with a gun, I just see absolutely ZERO reason to have one in a modern civilised community. Of course they can be responsibly owned, I could own a gun responsibly no worries at all, but when you find yourself in a situation when the very freedom and safety you were trying to create has been destroyed by the very thing you thought would create it (GUNS), it's time to re-evaluate, the civic experimentation failed, America couldn't pull it off, their are far too many crazies running round for their too be easy gun access. Rather than free the people, it has enslaved them.
You know your Country has lost it's way when you are talking about turning schools into fortresses with armed guards as if it is a reasonable and rational thing to do. From an outsiders perspective, America has become a running joke, a parody of what freedom actually is. American Children have very little chance the whole time a powerful special Interest group has influence and continues to endanger school kids everywhere. At least, if it all gets too much for the average American, and he tires of the regular mass shootings and the kiddies being killed, he can always go take his frustration out on a tin can somewhere with a bullet from his trusty rifle.! (because we all know, that's whats important)
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my cousin is a cop and an ex-olympics shooter (competed at the greece olympics, indoor, moving target), he carries his weapon with him everywhere. when he goes out to the bar and gets hammered, he has the gun. when he goes out fishing, he has the gun. when he goes to a nice restaurant, he has the gun. when he goes to his sisters wedding, he has the gun. and being around him doesnt make me feel safe, even though he is armed and could knock the wings off a fly from across the room if he needed to. being around him makes me feel less safe. places where i would normally get beligerent and act a fool , for example college football game, i am less eager to engage in confrontation knowing the gun is present. just seems to me a real easy way to escalate things completely out of proportion.
So his gun makes you get less belligerent and act less of a fool?
And you're against him carrying the gun? I'm really not following you on this one...
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I assume you americans realise that most of the signatories on the declaration of independance were either born in Britain or of British parents or grandparents. They were merely a group of freemasons setting up an independant outpost to grow a country without being under control of the crown.
Now if the red indians had signed the declaration of independence and won the war I could understand you being proud of beating the British. But in reality it was transatlantic civil war, British beating the British. The English and Scottish Masons were simply setting up their own country and the whole war of independance was a sham to allow an independant country to create great wealth for a limited number of ex Brits under the guise of the brotherhood of the Freemasons instead of being under king george.
Britain has made a huge mistake by opening its borders to muslim and eastern european scum. They will rue the day.