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Old article I think, relevant excerpt:
“Then they took our guns
“Next came gun registration. People were getting injured by guns. Hitler said that the real way to catch criminals (we still had a few) was by matching serial numbers on guns. Most citizens were law abiding and dutifully marched to the police station to register their firearms. Not long afterwards, the police said that it was best for everyone to turn in their guns. The authorities already knew who had them, so it was futile not to comply voluntarily.
“No more freedom of speech. Anyone who said something against the government was taken away. We knew many people who were arrested, not only Jews, but also priests and ministers who spoke up.
“Totalitarianism didn’t come quickly, it took 5 years from 1938 until 1943, to realize full dictatorship in Austria. Had it happened overnight, my countrymen would have fought to the last breath. Instead, we had creeping gradualism. Now, our only weapons were broom handles. The whole idea sounds almost unbelievable that the state, little by little eroded our freedom.”
“This is my eye-witness account.
Read more: http://blog.beliefnet.com/on_the_front_lines_of_the_culture_wars/2011/04/she-survived-hitler-and-wants-to-warn-america.html#ixzz2FZcb5Qrd
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Stop posting historical threads...history means nothing here. Nothing happened before Bush became President and we were then rescued by Obama. These things could never happen here...never. Guns are bad, Libs are good, the Constitution was written by stupid white slave owners and has no relevance.
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Stop posting historical threads...history means nothing here. Nothing happened before Bush became President and we were then rescued by Obama. These things could never happen here...never. Guns are bad, Libs are good, the Constitution was written by stupid white slave owners and has no relevance.
Good point headhunter!
Hell, lots of that old shit in the constitution really doesn't apply anymore. Like that unrealistic shit about due process, freedom of assembly, don't get me started on the one about soldiers being quartered in homes... That was the old days
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obama is, in most ways, hitler
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obama is, in most ways, hitler
If Obama was Hitler you would be death now.
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If Obama was Hitler you would be death now.
Took Hitler quite a while before he actually got around to that. Not necessarily saying Obama is like Hitler, just that it took a good bit of time before he took his sharp left turn into murder town.
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Took Hitler quite a while before he actually got around to that. Not necessarily saying Obama is like Hitler, just that it took a good bit of time before he took his sharp left turn into murder town.
It's a lot like cancer, one of the deadliest diseases known to man. It doesn't kill instantly. But, it kills "Slow but sho'", as the saying goes.
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Old article I think, relevant excerpt:
“Then they took our guns
“Next came gun registration. People were getting injured by guns. Hitler said that the real way to catch criminals (we still had a few) was by matching serial numbers on guns. Most citizens were law abiding and dutifully marched to the police station to register their firearms. Not long afterwards, the police said that it was best for everyone to turn in their guns. The authorities already knew who had them, so it was futile not to comply voluntarily.
“No more freedom of speech. Anyone who said something against the government was taken away. We knew many people who were arrested, not only Jews, but also priests and ministers who spoke up.
“Totalitarianism didn’t come quickly, it took 5 years from 1938 until 1943, to realize full dictatorship in Austria. Had it happened overnight, my countrymen would have fought to the last breath. Instead, we had creeping gradualism. Now, our only weapons were broom handles. The whole idea sounds almost unbelievable that the state, little by little eroded our freedom.”
“This is my eye-witness account.
Read more: http://blog.beliefnet.com/on_the_front_lines_of_the_culture_wars/2011/04/she-survived-hitler-and-wants-to-warn-america.html#ixzz2FZcb5Qrd
only problem with this is that no one is suggesting the complete elimination of private gun ownership but what the heck, let's just pretend that's what everyone is talking anyway
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Took Hitler quite a while before he actually got around to that. Not necessarily saying Obama is like Hitler, just that it took a good bit of time before he took his sharp left turn into murder town.
No it didnt.
Hitler tried to takeover the government 10 years before he became Fuhrer.
And he wrote a book in jail.
He didnt kill the number 1 terrorist and gave uninsured healthcare first.
Disagree with Obama all you want but comparing him to Hitler is just plain stupid.
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only problem with this is that no one is suggesting the complete elimination of private gun ownership but what the heck, let's just pretend that's what everyone is talking anyway
I understand that, I'm just trying to spread a little bit of historical insight on the subject. Combating the nativity, and knee jerk reactions from our resident Constitution haters.
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No it didnt.
Hitler tried to takeover the government 10 years before he became Fuhrer.
And he wrote a book in jail.
He didnt kill the number 1 terrorist and gave uninsured healthcare first.
Disagree with Obama all you want but comparing him to Hitler is just plain stupid.
Re-read my post.
Not necessarily saying Obama is like Hitler
I wasn't comparing them, I simply was stating that Hitler didn't become the Fuhrer and then immediately start gassing the Jews. It took a couple of years.
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Re-read my post.
I wasn't comparing them, I simply was stating that Hitler didn't become the Fuhrer and then immediately start gassing the Jews. It took a couple of years.
yes I see your point here but the inference is that while Obama hasn't exhibited Hitler like traits, he could be,start or is already doing it. It's absolutely absurd, this thread should be deleted, it's again hyperbole with no underpinnings of reality.
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it was stupid to compare obama to hitler just like it was stupid to compare bush to hitler.
Fact is though hitler and other murderous dictators would have had a lot harder time killing as many ppl as they did if the population they were trying to kill was armed...
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it was stupid to compare obama to hitler just like it was stupid to compare bush to hitler.
Fact is though hitler and other murderous dictators would have had a lot harder time killing as many ppl as they did if the population they were trying to kill was armed...
Sure, but the gun violence rate is quite high in the states compared to places with gun control. If one of your chief arguments are to prevent a dictatorship the likes of Hitler then I think you stand on shaky ground. Nothing wrong with guns, it's a quite obvious though that the current policies need to be more stringent. The problem isn't the guns, I see both sides, nor really the type (assault rifles need some serious policies) but proper checks in place to keep retards from obtaining them. It seems like it is pretty easy to obtain a gun.
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Sure, but the gun violence rate is quite high in the states compared to places with gun control. If one of your chief arguments are to prevent a dictatorship the likes of Hitler then I think you stand on shaky ground. Nothing wrong with guns, it's a quite obvious though that the current policies need to be more stringent. The problem isn't the guns, I see both sides, nor really the type (assault rifles need some serious policies) but proper checks in place to keep retards from obtaining them. It seems like it is pretty easy to obtain a gun.
Not really... WHen more people are killed by baseball bats than guns every year... (Look it up) then I think you can rest assured that it's not "Guns" that are the problem.
There is much knowledge in this old broad... people would be smart to think about it.
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Not really... WHen more people are killed by baseball bats than guns every year... (Look it up) then I think you can rest assured that it's not "Guns" that are the problem.
There is much knowledge in this old broad... people would be smart to think about it.
How many school children are killed at school with baseball bats?
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How many school children are killed at school with baseball bats?
Lol why do you have to qualify the statement with "at school"?
Being killed is being killed foes it matter where you are at?
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Lol why do you have to qualify the statement with "at school"?
Being killed is being killed foes it matter where you are at?
Yes there is difference between killing 1 person with a bat and shooting 20 with a gun.
How many baseball bat kill sprees do you see?
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Yes there is difference between killing 1 person with a bat and shooting 20 with a gun.
How many baseball bat kill sprees do you see?
That wasn't my question...you qualified your statement with "at schools" that has nothing to do with your response. Try to keep up....
So you're not concerned with the total amount of ppl killed just the amount of ppl killed at one time?
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That wasn't my question...you qualified your statement with "at schools" that has nothing to do with your response. Try to keep up....
So you're not concerned with the total amount of ppl killed just the amount of ppl killed at one time?
If liberals, leftists, communists, socialists, progresssives gave a damn about aggregate numbers they would wage a war on backyard pools too.
They dont give a damn and actually prefer a high body count since it helps them advance their tyranical nanny police state agenda,.
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only problem with this is that no one is suggesting the complete elimination of private gun ownership but what the heck, let's just pretend that's what everyone is talking anyway
That's the point of the article, it didn't happen over night. It starts with one law, and then keeps creeping until it has gone so far past what the original law was thought to do/protect. There is a huge difference between boycotting a Jewish clothing store and gassing them to death, but one was caused when the other started. I'm not some right wing conspiracy nut, just a dude that can look at something objectively and see where it COULD go if not steered in the right direction.
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http://www.infowars.com/new-york-gov-mandatory-gun-sale-to-state-and-confiscation-are-options
Cuomo and his leftist lynch mob of communists and liberal tyrants are really itching for violence arent they?
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http://www.infowars.com/new-york-gov-mandatory-gun-sale-to-state-and-confiscation-are-options
Cuomo and his leftist lynch mob of communists and liberal tyrants are really itching for violence arent they?
how do you arrive at the conclusion Cuomo is "itching for violence"
are you suggesting your fellow morons and mental patients will be the ones to become violent because there is nothing in the story that indicates a violence from Cuomo
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That wasn't my question...you qualified your statement with "at schools" that has nothing to do with your response. Try to keep up....
So you're not concerned with the total amount of ppl killed just the amount of ppl killed at one time?
Exactly... So it's fine if you kill 1000 people... Just as long as 30 of them aren't killed in the same 5-10 minutes.
Ridiculous!
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Not really... WHen more people are killed by baseball bats than guns every year... (Look it up) then I think you can rest assured that it's not "Guns" that are the problem.
There is much knowledge in this old broad... people would be smart to think about it.
LOL that is utter rubbish, gun murders make up nearly 70% of all murders in US(FBI UNIFORM CRIME REPORTS)
http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2011/jan/10/gun-crime-us-state
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LOL that is utter rubbish, gun murders make up nearly 70% of all murders in US(FBI UNIFORM CRIME REPORTS)
http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2011/jan/10/gun-crime-us-state
I havent read this thread but I was about to respond in kind, gun violence is high in america, canada, right above you for example has way way lower violent crime rates and gun murders. I can't even recall the last shoot em up, whereas the states have them periodically.
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LOL that is utter rubbish, gun murders make up nearly 70% of all murders in US(FBI UNIFORM CRIME REPORTS)
http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2011/jan/10/gun-crime-us-state
1. I don't care what the guardian says.
2. I don't really give a shit WHAT is the biggest killer to be honest.
3. Cars kill way more people for sure, and no one is banning cars.
4. It's a constitutional right... PERIOD.
Fuck anyone who thinks their bleeding heart trumps my constitutional right.
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1. I don't care what the guardian says.
2. I don't really give a shit WHAT is the biggest killer to be honest.
3. Cars kill way more people for sure, and no one is banning cars.
4. It's a constitutional right... PERIOD.
Fuck anyone who thinks their bleeding heart trumps my constitutional right.
The figs were actually taken from FBI data
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The figs were actually taken from FBI data
Yeah..I get that... I was obviously quoting some random shit I read... That's really not the issue though is it?
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I havent read this thread but I was about to respond in kind, gun violence is high in america, canada, right above you for example has way way lower violent crime rates and gun murders. I can't even recall the last shoot em up, whereas the states have them periodically.
Canada has less violence because it has less people. People act foolish in large numbers.
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Canada has less violence because it has less people. People act foolish in large numbers.
...and because we are saner, more reasonable, rational, calmer, and sensible people don't run about like a bunch of thugs.
We also do not have the misfortune of living in a society that worships gun ownership in the mistaken belief that every single problem we face, can be solved at the point of a gun... either owning one or firing one.
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...and because we are saner, more reasonable, rational, calmer, and sensible people don't run about like a bunch of thugs.
We also do not have the misfortune of living in a society that worships gun ownership in the mistaken belief that every single problem we face, can be solved at the point of a gun... either owning one or firing one.
Main thug is at the top at 1600 PA ave. Thug Life YO!
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Canada has less violence because it has less people. People act foolish in large numbers.
Is this sarcasm ???
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...and because we are saner, more reasonable, rational, calmer, and sensible people don't run about like a bunch of thugs.
We also do not have the misfortune of living in a society that worships gun ownership in the mistaken belief that every single problem we face, can be solved at the point of a gun... either owning one or firing one.
That's becuase a lot of your citizens are pussies french.
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That's becuase a lot of your citizens are pussies french.
Quebecois forgive me, ...but they are the least civilized Canadians. lol. When they get pissed off, ...you know it! :o
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Is this sarcasm ???
Not at all. You cram a bunch of diverse people in overpopulated areas and they "forget themselves". Just my 2 cents.
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Not at all. You cram a bunch of diverse people in overpopulated areas and they "forget themselves". Just my 2 cents.
Not the French Canadians. Their motto "Je me souviens"
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I don't know but... To me what is happening to many black Americans sounds and looks a lot like what happened to the Jews in Germany: Being pushed into gettos, marginalized from society, being incarcerated at much higher rates than everyone else (even though it has been proven that blacks are as likely to commit a crime as anyone else), et cetera.
I think the USA learned a lot from Hitler and his reign of terror. Mainly that repression is more effective when carried out in a low-key, gradual manner. And this is what is going on right now.
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I don't know but... To me what is happening to many black Americans sounds and looks a lot like what happened to the Jews in Germany: Being pushed into gettos, marginalized from society, being incarcerated at much higher rates than everyone else (even though it has been proven that blacks are as likely to commit a crime as anyone else), et cetera.
I think the USA learned a lot from Hitler and his reign of terror. Mainly that repression is more effective when carried out in a low-key, gradual manner. And this is what is going on right now.
That's been going on for the last 300 years... since even before they called it the USA, but as in every other society in which this was the MO, the privileged class has always either never noticed, or turned a blind eye, ...until they began to see "mission creep" ...by which time it was too late.
Personally, I'm of the opinion that armed guards or cops or whatever armed authoritarian force that is put in schools will not keep kids safe from a whack job on a mission. The only purpose it will serve is to condition kids for at least 13 years to having armed authority figures overseeing them. While I'm no psychologist, I'm doubtful this type of mental conditioning will lead to the type of next generation most people want to see. :-\
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I don't know but... To me what is happening to many black Americans sounds and looks a lot like what happened to the Jews in Germany: Being pushed into gettos, marginalized from society, being incarcerated at much higher rates than everyone else (even though it has been proven that blacks are as likely to commit a crime as anyone else), et cetera.
I think the USA learned a lot from Hitler and his reign of terror. Mainly that repression is more effective when carried out in a low-key, gradual manner. And this is what is going on right now.
I posed this very question a while back, "are blacks the new jews" in the G&O, and it was taken the wrong way. This is what I meant by it.
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That's been going on for the last 300 years... since even before they called it the USA, but as in every other society in which this was the MO, the privileged class has always either never noticed, or turned a blind eye, ...until they began to see "mission creep" ...by which time it was too late.
Personally, I'm of the opinion that armed guards or cops or whatever armed authoritarian force that is put in schools will not keep kids safe from a whack job on a mission. The only purpose it will serve is to condition kids for at least 13 years to having armed authority figures overseeing them. While I'm no psychologist, I'm doubtful this type of mental conditioning will lead to the type of next generation most people want to see. :-\
Maybe the kids wii behave better at school and learn more with an armed guard in the room.
Killing 2 birds with 1 stone.
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I don't know but... To me what is happening to many black Americans sounds and looks a lot like what happened to the Jews in Germany: Being pushed into gettos, marginalized from society, being incarcerated at much higher rates than everyone else (even though it has been proven that blacks are as likely to commit a crime as anyone else), et cetera.
I think the USA learned a lot from Hitler and his reign of terror. Mainly that repression is more effective when carried out in a low-key, gradual manner. And this is what is going on right now.
please cite your source that show blacks commit crime at the same rate as everyone else.
The majority of the problems facing the black community in the US stem from within the black community.
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That's been going on for the last 300 years... since even before they called it the USA, but as in every other society in which this was the MO, the privileged class has always either never noticed, or turned a blind eye, ...until they began to see "mission creep" ...by which time it was too late.
Personally, I'm of the opinion that armed guards or cops or whatever armed authoritarian force that is put in schools will not keep kids safe from a whack job on a mission. The only purpose it will serve is to condition kids for at least 13 years to having armed authority figures overseeing them. While I'm no psychologist, I'm doubtful this type of mental conditioning will lead to the type of next generation most people want to see. :-\
these wack jobs will find away to inflict death without guns as well but you seem A-OK with taking them away?
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please cite your source that show blacks commit crime at the same rate as everyone else.
The majority of the problems facing the black community in the US stem from within the black community.
www.google.com
You do the legwork.
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Is this sarcasm ???
No, it's mental illness
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www.google.com
You do the legwork.
tried it and didnt find anything, only conclusion i can come to is your full of shit....
again the biggest problems facing the black community stem from within the black community....
sorry hoss numbers dont lie....
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No, it's mental illness
Liberalism is a severe mental disorder.
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these wack jobs will find away to inflict death without guns as well but you seem A-OK with taking them away?
no one wants to take them away. But your argument is ludicris, reducing the lethality of weapons availible who would like to kill others is a sure way to reduce death obviously.
you guys sound nuts about guns, why the fuck does everyone need a gun? if your not hunting or target shooting why this obsession?
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no one wants to take them away. But your argument is ludicris, reducing the lethality of weapons availible who would like to kill others is a sure way to reduce death obviously.
you guys sound nuts about guns, why the fuck does everyone need a gun? if your not hunting or target shooting why this obsession?
Everyone doesnt need a gun but if youre not a felon, mentally ill and you are of age why should you not be allowed to have one if you want one?
The problem isnt guns, guns are not inherintly evil.
You guys seem to jump right over the problem and focus on guns. If you dont address the problem at the root then it will simply find another way to manifest itself.
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Everyone doesnt need a gun but if youre not a felon, mentally ill and you are of age why should you not be allowed to have one if you want one?
The problem isnt guns, guns are not inherintly evil.
You guys seem to jump right over the problem and focus on guns. If you dont address the problem at the root then it will simply find another way to manifest itself.
I disagree, the root you suggest is a one you cannot adress as you state. Mental illness affects one in three they are mostly chronic disorders and would be analgolous to having a medicine that causes death but instead of stopping the medicine you focus on curing cancer. Illness will always be there, it is complex, more complex then guns, it is stimatized already. Most of these murderous people often have piss poor environments, perhaps we should focus on childcare too. They probably don't have any job prospects so let's focus on the economy also. The common denominator is guns, not mental health, sane people can act insane, not every disorder has adequete treatment and someone bullied and picked on all there lives could react with violence. The cause as you state is too nebulous.
there is a very very small subpopulation of those with schizophrenia, personality disorders that would ever do something like this, the vast majoirty of anxious, depressed people do not commit these acts. Pinpointing these individuals is impossible, while restricting gun access is not and frankly much easier with salutory benefits.
there is a reason countries similar to the states have eight times lower gun violence rates, it ain't because of better healthcare.
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I disagree, the root you suggest is a one you cannot adress as you state. Mental illness affects one in three they are mostly chronic disorders and would be analgolous to having a medicine that causes death but instead of stopping the medicine you focus on curing cancer. Illness will always be there, it is complex, more complex then guns, it is stimatized already. Most of these murderous people often have piss poor environments, perhaps we should focus on childcare too. They probably don't have any job prospects so let's focus on the economy also. The common denominator is guns, not mental health, sane people can act insane, not every disorder has adequete treatment and someone bullied and picked on all there lives could react with violence. The cause as you state is too nebulous.
there is a very very small subpopulation of those with schizophrenia, personality disorders that would ever do something like this, the vast majoirty of anxious, depressed people do not commit these acts. Pinpointing these individuals is impossible, while restricting gun access is not and frankly much easier with salutory benefits.
there is a reason countries similar to the states have eight times lower gun violence rates, it ain't because of better healthcare.
LOL the common denominator is not guns brain child its mental instability...so you believe that without guns these ppl wouldnt commit any acts that cause death?
if not then the common denominator isnt GUNS!!!
these ppl will find a way to kill others thats THEIR GOAL!!!
Taking away guns doesnt take away their goal...
Addressing the problem at the root is what will bring long lasting results. Taking away guns will simply result in them finding other ways to kill ppl.
The US is a very different country bro, different make up, different culture, different demographics.
For every country you point out for your argument I can point out one that supports mine that gun control doesnt stop these ppl.
There is a reason behind that as well....
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I disagree, the root you suggest is a one you cannot adress as you state. Mental illness affects one in three they are mostly chronic disorders and would be analgolous to having a medicine that causes death but instead of stopping the medicine you focus on curing cancer. Illness will always be there, it is complex, more complex then guns, it is stimatized already. Most of these murderous people often have piss poor environments, perhaps we should focus on childcare too. They probably don't have any job prospects so let's focus on the economy also. The common denominator is guns, not mental health, sane people can act insane, not every disorder has adequete treatment and someone bullied and picked on all there lives could react with violence. The cause as you state is too nebulous.
there is a very very small subpopulation of those with schizophrenia, personality disorders that would ever do something like this, the vast majoirty of anxious, depressed people do not commit these acts. Pinpointing these individuals is impossible, while restricting gun access is not and frankly much easier with salutory benefits.
there is a reason countries similar to the states have eight times lower gun violence rates, it ain't because of better healthcare.
QFT!
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No, it's mental illness
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spend some more time reading the persons posts and then get back to me
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LOL the common denominator is not guns brain child its mental instability...so you believe that without guns these ppl wouldnt commit any acts that cause death?
if not then the common denominator isnt GUNS!!!
these ppl will find a way to kill others thats THEIR GOAL!!!
Taking away guns doesnt take away their goal...
Addressing the problem at the root is what will bring long lasting results. Taking away guns will simply result in them finding other ways to kill ppl.
The US is a very different country bro, different make up, different culture, different demographics.
For every country you point out for your argument I can point out one that supports mine that gun control doesnt stop these ppl.
There is a reason behind that as well....
again it's not like you imagine it to be, mental health issues are increasing at a rapid rate, not declining, removing unecessary killing tools from society seems apt. Proper structure, checks and balances need to be in place, America has 8 times the gun violence of similar first world countries and ranks close to many third world shit holes for gun violence.
As a doctor I understand quite well the impact of mental health, what I think you are missing is that mental illness does not contribute soley to this. You see, anxiety is a normal thing we all experience it, depression is as well, however, it is defined pathological when it is chronic (in the case of GAD for example) and interferes with life. The lover who just found his wife cheating and shoots up a mall, has no mental illness, no drug can stop that. Most anti-depressants take several weeks to take effect. So due to the complete unpredictable nature of something you believe to be simple and reductionist it will be a losing battle. Fits of rage, passion and losing ones cool/mind are as normal as 33 hating blacks, why don't we simply remove tools that can inflict massive damage from the picture, I'm sure it will have a better outcome treating away the sickness.
even in cases of no mental health issue, say the person who drinks to much or takes drugs, making guns easily accesible is just asking for horrendous outcomes.
You supposedly have the best healthcare in the world and very lax gun laws and have way higher numbers of gun related crimes then comparable countries with worse off healthcare yet you blame mental health?
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I don't hate blacks. I hate every group equally.