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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Nutrition, Products & Supplements Info => Topic started by: a_ahmed on March 01, 2013, 04:13:11 PM
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So... I am wondering if someone can give me the break down.
I'm under the impression that l-leucine is the most cruicial amino acid for a variety of things and especially muscle building. I also heard that it supposedly encourages/increases protein synthesis under different situations. Also heard it stimulates fat loss.
Are there any medical journals or papers and truths in these matters? I get bulk raw l-leucine, but am i wasting my money? Yes I eat whole food already but hell if it's something relatively cheap anyway I can add it in for the benefit, otherwise if not meh?
And with BCAAs, they already come with a few different things, i also get it raw bulk (tastes like vomit -- but mix in good protein shake and crap taste gone).
Discuss
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This study is a bit more general covering multiple aspects of nutrition sources and timing, but it does mention leucine's role and recommendations: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23241341
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Thank you bro, if there are any other studies and papers I would love to read them! Share them! :D
It's interesting what they say about pre workout. I swear I felt that far more beneficial than post like some people advocate! I find it carbs pre/intra as most beneficial with protein and post mostly protein. Gave me better recomp effects as well.
Hmm so leucine does increase protein synthesis cool beans!
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It does.
Pub Med contains many studies on Leucine, and you'll find even more results searching for HMB; β-hydroxy-β-methylbutyrate.
I think a lot of guys knock HMB because it's expensive, and also on account of the ridiculous way Bill Phillips pimped it back in his EAS days. It isn't magic, but I feel it does help. 3 g per day divided is recommended - 1 g with each meal.
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do you have a study where people consumed this versus 1lb lean organic beef per day?
people on "the beef" would win....
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do you have a study where people consumed this versus 1lb lean organic beef per day?
people on "the beef" would win....
1 lb of beef contains about 8 g of Leucine. I'm honestly not sure what that equates to in HMB amounts.
But, from both dietary and supplemental Leucine, HMB is actually produced via oxidation by a liver enzyme, which is not a very efficient process at roughly 5%.
The limitations imposed by enzymatic conversion make it very difficult to achieve the same levels of HMB from whole-part Leucine sources as opposed to taking it in the concentrated form.
So, to truly experience HMB's effects equal to the recommended dosage, you really need to take it in its supplemental state.
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1 lb of beef contains about 8 g of Leucine. I'm honestly not sure what that equates to in HMB amounts.
But, from both dietary and supplemental Leucine, HMB is actually produced via oxidation by a liver enzyme, which is not a very efficient process at roughly 5%.
The limitations imposed by enzymatic conversion make it very difficult to achieve the same levels of HMB from whole-part Leucine sources as opposed to taking it in the concentrated form.
So, to truly experience HMB's effects equal to the recommended dosage, you really need to take it in its supplemental state.
(http://www.stallingspolledherefords.com/images/2010/apr16/CutsOfBeef.jpg)
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(http://www.stallingspolledherefords.com/images/2010/apr16/CutsOfBeef.jpg)
Point?
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Point?
steak is mightier than supplements
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steak is mightier than supplements
Yes, but in regards to your post: 1 lb of lean beef will provide nowhere near 3g of HMB.
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steak is mightier than supplements
No one is suggesting to consume the HMB in place of food.
It is a "supplement."
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No one is suggesting to consume the HMB in place of food.
It is a "supplement."
organic beef is the perfect supplement
steer eat enormous quantities of vitamin and mineral rich vegetation and concentrate all of that goodness into steak...
the superiority of beef as a supplement over everything but actual steroids/hormones/drugs is unquestionable IMO...
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I get a kilo of raw l-leucine from the states in powder form... for 20 bux... how much is that 100s of pounds of beef? Curious
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Does HMB come in bulk powder??
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Does HMB come in bulk powder??
It may, but I've never come across it. It'd be nice if it did, though, since the capsule process increases cost.
Check Primaforce and NOW brands. I know they sell a lot of bulk powders.
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It may, but I've never come across it. It'd be nice if it did, though, since the capsule process increases cost and company profits because they add a ton of rice flour and only a bit of active ingredient because there is nothing stopping them from selling you snake oil in the USA.
Check Primaforce and NOW brands. I know they sell a lot of bulk powders.
fixed :)
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fixed :)
And all of your supplements are made in Canada, pure, and legit?
Yes, Muscle-Tech is an honest and trusted brand. ::)
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And all of your supplements are made in Canada, pure, and legit?
Yes, Muscle-Tech is an honest and trusted brand. ::)
different 'formulas' here (but naturally proprietary blends are still the same bullshit)... but i don't take any of that crap anymore anyway
i supplement with whey and the progressive multi vitamin for men (why not) as well as uni liver tablets and glucosamine... and creatine of course...
these days i stick to food... i have never been healthier or leaner
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I was given warnings before for rolling my eyes and responding to Woo's constant cynicism and sarcasm but he is ALWAYS has to make some kind of sarcastic and cynical comments when supplements are talked about.
Yes there are many gimmicky supplements out there, but that's where one needs to do his research. No need to be such a staunch whatever.
Wow rice flour... well... I guess I might as well buy rice flour bulk then?
Maybe the whey and vitamins you're taking are rice flour too?
Come on now... and like montague said you really think your vitamins and protein whey is also really made in canada? I doubt it. I recently bought 25lbs of bulk (comes in a bag literally) from canadianprotein.com and who knows where they get it from or make it but there's good feedback on them?
How can you trust anyone then in anything? There's room for some specticism but being cynical, sarcastic and skeptic about everything come on...
Supplements are not replacement for whole food. Great you eat food. You didn't eat food before? No wonder you're healthier now.
Newsflash to you glucosamine does jack shit. Only supplements worth a damn for joints are high dosed fish oil and cissus.
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I was given warnings before for rolling my eyes and responding to Woo's constant cynicism and sarcasm but he is ALWAYS has to make some kind of sarcastic and cynical comments when supplements are talked about.
Yes there are many gimmicky supplements out there, but that's where one needs to do his research. No need to be such a staunch whatever.
Wow rice flour... well... I guess I might as well buy rice flour bulk then?
Maybe the whey and vitamins you're taking are rice flour too?
Come on now... and like montague said you really think your vitamins and protein whey is also really made in canada? I doubt it. I recently bought 25lbs of bulk (comes in a bag literally) from canadianprotein.com and who knows where they get it from or make it but there's good feedback on them?
How can you trust anyone then in anything? There's room for some specticism but being cynical, sarcastic and skeptic about everything come on...
Supplements are not replacement for whole food. Great you eat food. You didn't eat food before? No wonder you're healthier now.
Newsflash to you glucosamine does jack shit. Only supplements worth a damn for joints are high dosed fish oil and cissus.
I typically only interject when there is a personal attack or name-calling; even in milder instances using terms like "retard," just to keep the board clean. It's easier to prevent the kind of quotidian horseshit seen on the G&O.
Other matters of opinion are free to be discussed so long as it is in a civilized/respectful manner. WOOO is a good poster in that he abides by the forum rules, despite some of his stances consisting of questionable reasoning. ;)
I agree that there are lots of snake oil products on the market, but it is too simplistic to dismiss all or even most of them as such. Given the limited proper studies devoted to sports nutrition, I believe in keeping an open mind to possibilities, and always consider anecdotal evidence from folks who've tried things I haven't.
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I typically only interject when there is a personal attack or name-calling; even in milder instances using terms like "retard," just to keep the board clean. It's easier to prevent the kind of quotidian horseshit seen on the G&O.
Other matters of opinion are free to be discussed so long as it is in a civilized/respectful manner. WOOO is a good poster in that he abides by the forum rules, despite some of his stances consisting of questionable reasoning. ;)
I agree that there are lots of snake oil products on the market, but it is too simplistic to dismiss all or even most of them as such. Given the limited proper studies devoted to sports nutrition, I believe in keeping an open mind to possibilities, and always consider anecdotal evidence from folks who've tried things I haven't.
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these days i stick to booze... i have never been healthier or leaner
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these days i stick to sex... i have never been healthier or leaner
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These days I stick to chickens... Roosters kick too much
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organic beef is the perfect supplement
steer eat enormous quantities of vitamin and mineral rich vegetation and concentrate all of that goodness into steak...
the superiority of beef as a supplement over everything but actual steroids/hormones/drugs is unquestionable IMO...
This is a good post!!!
What do you think of Beef Jerky? It has so much protein per ounce!!
I just got a giant bag of organic beef jerky, was thinking of making some too!!
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organic beef is the perfect supplement
Organic beef is a food. Food is not a supplement.
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This is a good post!!!
What do you think of Beef Jerky? It has so much protein per ounce!!
I just got a giant bag of organic beef jerky, was thinking of making some too!!
i order from big johns beef jerky online...
only bitch is that they spray it with a monoglutamate (not MSG but a monoglutamate is a monoglutamate)
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Once you reach a nice protein intake, let's say 1-1.5 g/lb, supplementing with additional amino acids is not necessary and you are potentially wasting money on additional amino acid supplements without any benefits
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Once you reach a nice protein intake, let's say 1-1.5 g/lb, supplementing with additional amino acids is not necessary and you are potentially wasting money on additional amino acid supplements without any benefits
Maybe for a natural, not for someone on the sauce and training hard.
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Maybe for a natural, not for someone on the sauce and training hard.
Yes, I've never believed in making blanket statements about training or nutrition. Both are too individualistic, and there are too many exceptions.
That's why I tend to give people who try a hard time. If you insist that "all everyone needs is x, y, z," then you'd better be ready to defend your claim.
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I always called bs on the claims of less than gram per pound being necessary. I lose muscle on that kind of ordeal... i eat some serious meat every day year round and it works for me. Carbs just make me fat but of course i need carbs like anyone else. Everyone's different..
I think these notions by 'researchers' and doctors coming to those conclusions was based on the needs of a couch potato 'tv athlete' who is scrawny or fat.
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I always called bs on the claims of less than gram per pound being necessary. I lose muscle on that kind of ordeal... i eat some serious meat every day year round and it works for me. Carbs just make me fat but of course i need carbs like anyone else. Everyone's different..
I think these notions by 'researchers' and doctors coming to those conclusions was based on the needs of a couch potato 'tv athlete' who is scrawny or fat.
note that most studies are 2 weeks long... even on gear how much change have you ever noted in 2 weeks??
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Metabolism, training habits, carb-sensitivity, etc. are different for everybody; thus, nutrition needs are different for everybody.
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^True true
I love meat mmmmmmmmmm meat can never have enough protein :D
note that most studies are 2 weeks long... even on gear how much change have you ever noted in 2 weeks??
That's a blank statement brah, not true at all most studies are 12 weeks or something along those lines. So actually more akin to a cycle of a typical gym rat actually.
2 week study that's not a study lol....
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^True true
I love meat mmmmmmmmmm meat can never have enough protein :D
at least we agree on something :)
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i think supplements are fake
why would they be real if the law permits them to be fake