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Knowledgeable person ::) only naive gym rats take his words seriously
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I'd love to see him being interviewed on main stream tv with that philosophy .....
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I'd love to see him being interviewed on main stream tv with that philosophy .....
You don't no shit about nutrition, so STFU obese schmoe
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If his nose gets any wider it will eclipse his shoulders.
Given the recent death of Nasser, one must wonder what Phil "thinks" about too much AAS, GH and insulin. Probably not much.
"Ohh no! Nasser died! He was young and still using steroids?! Cognitive alarm! Alarm! Alarm!... Cognitive dissonance initiated! Wait... its been 3 hours i need some protein. Prior knowledge forgotten and filed away in subconscious for next pang of pain from kidneys/liver." Learning fails to take place. The conversation was never had. His life will fail steadily and then suddenly.
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"Everyones different"
Nope, we all have kidneys, and too much protein isn't good for your kidneys, without functioning kidneys you die.
Stupid twat.
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"Everyones different"
Nope, we all have kidneys, and too much protein isn't good for your kidneys, without functioning kidneys you die.
Stupid twat.
how much protein is too much, in your opinion?
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You can gain muscle on 1 gram per pound of bodyweight
Anything over 2gms per pound is too much
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how much protein is too much, in your opinion?
There's no exact answer on this, like x grams per 1 pound/kilo of body weight. The color of your urine is an indication, but nothing more than that.
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There's no exact answer on this, like x grams per 1 pound/kilo of body weight. The color of your urine is an indication, but nothing more than that.
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-r8X2NJYGbU4/Tl-5jZWUfVI/AAAAAAAAAFU/zLpEpvqXTWo/s1600/341081-17431-5.jpg)
so science has no answer about how much is too much?
i remember being taught at university that the brain needs a minimum of 100 carb grams per day for proper functioning
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i remember being taught at university that the brain needs a minimum of 100 carb grams per day for proper functioning
Maybe thats why people on zero carb diets are fucking stupid.
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Heath, or any bodybuilder for that matter, is the last person I would listen to for nutritional advice. Nutrition is a science. I will get my science from the scientists.
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Maybe thats why people on zero carb diets are fucking stupid.
Truth ;D
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Heath, or any bodybuilder for that matter, is the last person I would listen to for nutritional advice. Nutrition is a science. I will get my science from the scientists.
i read a book on sports nutrition by a scientist
and the chapter on bodybuilding was telling you guys to eat way more carbs and way less protein
he said that bodybuilders are the most misinformed group of people in all of sports
1.5grams of protein per kilogram of bodyweight
and probably counts protein from non-animal sources
so what do you think
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Truth ;D
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this is one ugly mother fucker
with pearly whites
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i read a book on sports nutrition by a scientist
and the chapter on bodybuilding was telling you guys to eat way more carbs and way less protein
he said that bodybuilders are the most misinformed group of people in all of sports
1.5grams of protein per kilogram of bodyweight
and probably counts protein from non-animal sources
so what do you think
Sounds a sensible approach to me.
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seriously tho, even one knows too much protein fucks with kidney function.
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Sounds a sensible approach to me.
this is the book
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51ACWLk%2Bk0L._SL500_PIsitb-sticker-arrow-big,TopRight,35,-73_OU01_SS500_.jpg)
sample diets look pretty generic
with bagels
orange juice
etc
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so science has no answer about how much is too much?
i remember being taught at university that the brain needs a minimum of 100 carb grams per day for proper functioning
First of all, protein need is prob the most discussed topic in muscleland. It not only depends on lifestyle and individual factors like weight, sex, activities, being natural or chemical enhanced, your training and so on..., but also on how you define the result of too much protein? (kidney conditioning/creatinine levels, anabolic state, etc?). The nutrient-fysiology relation remains a very complex one.
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If you can put on muscle eating a gram per pound of bodyweight why eat anymore?
Its just a waste of time and you just shit it down the bog.
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this is the book
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51ACWLk%2Bk0L._SL500_PIsitb-sticker-arrow-big,TopRight,35,-73_OU01_SS500_.jpg)
sample diets look pretty generic
with bagels
orange juice
etc
Bagels & orange juice... ::) has that 'scientist' any knowledge of the glycaemic index and the effect on insulin levels?
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If you can put on muscle eating a gram per pound of bodyweight why eat anymore?
Its just a waste of time and you just shit it down the bog.
good point, and i like to get my protein from food and not supps, so eating 1 gram per pound can be quite a fucking hassle, especially when dieting and you need to be careful not to consume too many cals
i've seen many reputable sources that say that 1.4 grams per kilo is enough
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so eating 1 gram per pound can be quite a fucking hassle, especially when dieting and you need to be careful not to consume too many cals
If onetimehard reads this he will tear you another arsehole. ;D
Seriously, Im not and never have been a big protein eater, I eat more carbs generally and feel better on a high carb diet.
Protein-wise its chicken and steak for me with a few shakes thrown in, I am losing my faith in shakes at the moment due to the amount of shit they add to them.
Probably better off with a few eggs mixed with milk.
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i read a book on sports nutrition by a scientist
and the chapter on bodybuilding was telling you guys to eat way more carbs and way less protein
he said that bodybuilders are the most misinformed group of people in all of sports
1.5grams of protein per kilogram of bodyweight
and probably counts protein from non-animal sources
so what do you think
To be honest, I am not the most informed person about this stuff. I train and try to eat a balanced diet. I dont think that one needs to consume ALL that protein to build muscle. Then again, it depends how much muscle we are talking about. I guess its all relative.
Either way, if I had a choice to either listen to Heath or a scientists about nutrition, Ill go with the scientist.
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If onetimehard reads this he will tear you another arsehole. ;D
Seriously, Im not and never have been a big protein eater, I eat more carbs generally and feel better on a high carb diet.
Protein-wise its chicken and steak for me with a few shakes thrown in, I am losing my faith in shakes at the moment due to the amount of shit they add to them.
Probably better off with a few eggs mixed with milk.
well man, Mentzer and AJ (Arthur Jones) say one only needs .36 grams per pound of bodyweight
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Bagels & orange juice... ::) has that 'scientist' any knowledge of the glycaemic index and the effect on insulin levels?
i dont know, he is very highly educated on nutrition????.............
not sure what to think of any of this to be honest
i also read this book, and it was pretty much the same
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-pDN135ZqruA/USqWeOXLNkI/AAAAAAAAA6g/VCheEdFdFYM/s1600/url.jpeg)
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As long as you stay under 200g of protein, but optimally lower. Then you still have a chance to be healthy and have good mind.
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such a douch
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To be honest, I am not the most informed person about this stuff. I train and try to eat a balanced diet. I dont think that one needs to consume ALL that protein to build muscle. Then again, it depends how much muscle we are talking about. I guess its all relative.
Either way, if I had a choice to either listen to Heath or a scientists about nutrition, Ill go with the scientist.
This is correct high protein usage is not necessary mostly driven by merchants trying to sell products and hard on the kidneys. Yea relative to your bodyweight, I say 1 gram enough per pound of bodyweight.
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such a douch
seems friendly but would fuck your wife when you're not looking
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I WISH YOU PEOPLE WOULD SPECIFY IF YOU COUNT PROTEIN FROM NON ANIMAL SOURCES
A LOT OF BODYBUILDERS ONLY COUNT PROTEIN FROM ANIMAL SOURCES
SO WHEN THEY SAY THEY ARE EATING 300 GRAMS OF PROTEIN
THEY ARE ACTUALLY EATING LIKE 450-500
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i dont know, he is very highly educated on nutrition????.............
not sure what to think of any of this to be honest
i also read this book, and it was pretty much the same
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-pDN135ZqruA/USqWeOXLNkI/AAAAAAAAA6g/VCheEdFdFYM/s1600/url.jpeg)
I can't judge a book by its cover ;)
When I read a book/article/scientific paper, I'm looking for logic arguments and want to know more about the 'agenda' of the author(s). For example, does he/she works for the industry or a publicly-funded university?
To me, Walter Willett is one of the few trustworthy nutrition scientists. He criticizes the food & supp industry and the over-consumption of certain nutrients.
(there's a translated version of his book)
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51sWn6CycPL._BO2,204,203,200_PIsitb-sticker-arrow-click,TopRight,35,-76_AA300_SH20_OU01_.jpg)
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i dont think these authors work for the carbohydrate farming business
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awkward timining with Phil Heath making fun of dead bodybuilders. As if this isn't a real problem. ::)
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awkward timining with Phil Heath making fun of dead bodybuilders. As if this isn't a real problem. ::)
very awkward
when was this video shot
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I hate the "different strokes for different folks" morons. End of the day there are differences between us, but we are all essentially the same. You can adjust things based on one's needs, sure, but taking in the amounts the pros take in is literally stupid.
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I hate the "different strokes for different folks" morons. End of the day there are differences between us, but we are all essentially the same. You can adjust things based on one's needs, sure, but taking in the amounts the pros take in is literally stupid.
it's taking the easy way out of a discussion you dont want to participate in
i do this when morons ask me things
like mike mentzer said
"if we were all different medical science wouldnt be able to exist"
::)
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very awkward
when was this video shot
don't know. But generally speaking, Phil should know that he could himself die easily before 50 like Nasser. He won't be laughing in the coffin.
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it's taking the easy way out of a discussion you dont want to participate in
i do this when morons ask me things
like mike mentzer said
"if we were all different medical science wouldnt be able to exist"
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Mike was right. It's appreciating the fact that we all have our subtle differences, but it's across a spectrum that will always be populated largely by the "average man", thus they are the one's you factor in to your studies first and then tweak things based on the extremes at either end of the spectrum.
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Mike was right. It's appreciating the fact that we all have our subtle differences, but it's across a spectrum that will always be populated largely by the "average man", thus they are the one's you factor in to your studies first and then tweak things based on the extremes at either end of the spectrum.
yes i agree with the mentzer quote
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(http://www.darkwoods.com/bodybuilder/male/bb/gallery/fullsize/mentze05.jpg)
Thick dude.
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I take a whey protein supplement but I do wonder if I'm wasting money. The magazines need to push the protein requirement. Just look at all the protein powder ads. I use to take one in the morning with breakfast and one after working out. Now it's just once after the workout.
Is it really one gram a day? While not bodybuilders but insane athletes, Kenyan marathoners train on grains, vegetables, fruit and only on special occasions meat. I doubt they get 50 grams of protein yet they can run 20 miles a day training at insane paces.
When ever I read what looks like a legit study on protein requirements using protein in and protein used it's always along the same thing Mentzer and Jones pushed back in the day.
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You don't no shit about nutrition, so STFU obese schmoe
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I said I would like to see him talk, not me.
MamaGuevo.
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I said I would like to see him talk, not me.
MamaGuevo.
LOL, you don't get it yourself
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its an embarrassment how in this sport the top guy sites on a garbage stage next to some window blinds hahaha, show some respect
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I'm so tired of people saying that standard A-frame chair has more width than the reigning Mr Olympia. I'm just so sick of it.
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Truth ;D
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Last grasp at youth health.
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Maybe thats why people on zero carb diets are fucking stupid.
Touché
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I can't judge a book by its cover ;)
When I read a book/article/scientific paper, I'm looking for logic arguments and want to know more about the 'agenda' of the author(s). For example, does he/she works for the industry or a publicly-funded university?
To me, Walter Willett is one of the few trustworthy nutrition scientists. He criticizes the food & supp industry and the over-consumption of certain nutrients.
(there's a translated version of his book)
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51sWn6CycPL._BO2,204,203,200_PIsitb-sticker-arrow-click,TopRight,35,-76_AA300_SH20_OU01_.jpg)
I enjoyed that video. Did I hear him say that a calorie is not a calorie there in the end? :)
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this looks photoshopped
a regular guy with the arms of a top pro
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In this day and age drugs, not genetics, not willpower, not tenacity, not training and eating "right", make the bodybuilder.
Phil heath thinks it's ignorant to believe he uses steroids.
SLAM: What do you say to people who accuse you of using steroids?
PH: When they ask me that, I ask, Why dude, you think I need to? I think that’s just common ignorance. Usually, people that do that are insecure already so they think that’s the only way I got like that. And what people have to focus on is, ‘What is he doing to get himself like that?’ They don’t wanna ask. If it was that easy, everybody would be good. So it has to be more than that. And we’ve all see multiple athletes. Are you seriously gonna discount that I get up at 4:30 every morning and go do 45 minutes of cardio. They don’t realize I eat seven or eight times a day of healthy food. Most people couldn’t tell me the macros that are in every meal they take throughout the day. Because the average person doesn’t do it. They’re not gonna know how healthy fats work and guess what? I get paid to do this. Has anyone ever known someone that could just look at a weight and grow? No. Sure, I’m genetically gifted, but what if someone genetically gifted like me, took that talent and became educated about nutrition and given the money and resources to do it? You’d look like me too. My job is to weight lift. I train with best equipment. I get more treatment on my body than the average football player. Acupuncture four days a week, massage one to two days a week, I get chiropractic work, I get decompression people don’t even know what the hell that is, which is elongating the spinal cord and vertebrae. They don’t educate themselves on the process. I have an infrared sauna at my house to eliminate toxins and hyperbaric chamber in my house. Just all the things I mentioned.
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Phil heath thinks it's ignorant to believe he uses steroids.
SLAM: What do you say to people who accuse you of using steroids?
PH: When they ask me that, I ask, Why dude, you think I need to? I think that’s just common ignorance. Usually, people that do that are insecure already so they think that’s the only way I got like that. And what people have to focus on is, ‘What is he doing to get himself like that?’ They don’t wanna ask. If it was that easy, everybody would be good. So it has to be more than that. And we’ve all see multiple athletes. Are you seriously gonna discount that I get up at 4:30 every morning and go do 45 minutes of cardio. They don’t realize I eat seven or eight times a day of healthy food. Most people couldn’t tell me the macros that are in every meal they take throughout the day. Because the average person doesn’t do it. They’re not gonna know how healthy fats work and guess what? I get paid to do this. Has anyone ever known someone that could just look at a weight and grow? No. Sure, I’m genetically gifted, but what if someone genetically gifted like me, took that talent and became educated about nutrition and given the money and resources to do it? You’d look like me too. My job is to weight lift. I train with best equipment. I get more treatment on my body than the average football player. Acupuncture four days a week, massage one to two days a week, I get chiropractic work, I get decompression people don’t even know what the hell that is, which is elongating the spinal cord and vertebrae. They don’t educate themselves on the process. I have an infrared sauna at my house to eliminate toxins and hyperbaric chamber in my house. Just all the things I mentioned.
From what I read, Heath thinks people are ignorant for thinking steroids are the sole/primary reason he looks the way he does.
They discount all the other stuff he does (as do many on this forum). They think they're simply a syringe away from a Sandow.
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LOL^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
get up at 4:30 to do cardio, sleep the rest of the day
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They discount all the other stuff he does (as do many on this forum). They think they're simply a syringe away from a Sandow.
TBH all the Mr Os are a syringe away from a Sandow.
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I get decompression people don’t even know what the hell that is, which is elongating the spinal cord and vertebrae.
Shame it doesn't work on the scapula.
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From what I read, Heath thinks people are ignorant for thinking steroids are the sole/primary reason he looks the way he does.
They discount all the other stuff he does (as do many on this forum). They think they're simply a syringe away from a Sandow.
no people do not say steroids are the only reason they are what they are
this is how the bbers twist the question
same old story
shit
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i dont know, he is very highly educated on nutrition????.............
not sure what to think of any of this to be honest
i also read this book, and it was pretty much the same
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-pDN135ZqruA/USqWeOXLNkI/AAAAAAAAA6g/VCheEdFdFYM/s1600/url.jpeg)
The covers look like they are from the nineties lol. Sure they're recent?
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i got that susan kleiner book "power eating" many years ago.
mostly it encourages you to make peanut butter + milk shakes and drink them all day.
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The covers look like they are from the nineties lol. Sure they're recent?
you think there have been spectacular advancements in nutritional science since then?
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you think there have been spectacular advancements in nutritional science since then?
i'm still convinced that it's just basically calories in vs. calories out, but the thing that's driving me kinda nuts is how much protein is really needed ???
i had a pretty smart and experienced guy tell me that one only needs 100 protein grams per day while dieting in order to not lose fat
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you think there have been spectacular advancements in nutritional science since then?
Naw, I think the cavemen had it right and then everything was overcomplicated.
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Naw, I think the cavemen had it right and then everything was overcomplicated.
heh..... but they died at 30
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don't know. But generally speaking, Phil should know that he could himself die easily before 50 like Nasser. He won't be laughing in the coffin.
You don't see that many pro bodybuilders dropping dead, but there's a lot of them with organs related problems..... But is just like the steroids they take, they won't mention it.
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LOL^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
get up at 4:30 to do cardio, sleep the rest of the day
So true...This Phil guy thinks getting up at 4:30am and walking on a treadmill at 3.0 like most of the middle aged old ladies is doing cardio. lol
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You don't see that many pro bodybuilders dropping dead, but there's a lot of them with organs related problems..... But is just like the steroids they take, they won't mention it.
The ones that stay heavy after organ problems and cancer are the real mentally ill fella's...They just can't handle being skinny/thin because their life revolved around being big. I believe it was Nassar who said he'd rather be dead than small.
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He has to say that because he is in the industry with sponsors of selling protein supplements. You can never take a sponsored man's information seriously.
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Bagels & orange juice... ::) has that 'scientist' any knowledge of the glycaemic index and the effect on insulin levels?
Glycemic index is irrelevant unless you're diabetic.
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Glycemic index is irrelevant unless you're diabetic.
Tell that to this kid ::)
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Some figures...
(http://www.wheatbellyblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/CDC-Diabetes-20091.jpg)
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diabetics dont rreally use the glycemic index either to manage their condition
i think the whole thing is outdated or something
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I think having one or two lower protein days a week might not be a bad idea.
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The reason theres a big push on protein is because its hard to eat 400mgs of protein a day, easy though to drink it.
Hence buy all this shite powder.
Cherching!!!!!
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400 grams per day? shit man! it's a real pain in the ass to even get 200 grams per day only from food sources (especially when on a diet)
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my bodyweight is 84kg(185 lbs), and take about 100-120 grams protein per day only.
here are update pics
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I think having one or two lower protein days a week might not be a bad idea.
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good idea for non-workout days.
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so science has no answer about how much is too much?
i remember being taught at university that the brain needs a minimum of 100 carb grams per day for proper functioning
Must be true because nothing they ever taught at University has ever been wrong.
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The video is a month old so he is not making fun of Nasser.
He is not saying you should eat small amounts of protein in the video?? Quite the opposite, he says:
"don't take this protein, take carbs like and be fat and groce, like. don't get shredded, why get shredded? that's ugly nasty..."
Phil has claimed to eat 900g of protein per day in the past...
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There are "office" people in the gym, who workout 2-3x a week, but eat the following:
breakfast: bread with 2 slices of deli meat and cheese -> max. 8g protein
lunch: some cheap menu from the canteen, e.g. meat with potato, pasta or rice -> max. 20g protein
snack in the afternoon, e.g. a Snickers -> 2g protein
dinner: pizza, sandwich etc. -> again, max 10g protein
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Max 40g protein altogether, lots of trans fats, saturated fats, simple carbs etc.
and they look like skinnyfat shit.
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does the think too Much HGH in a day is bad ??? ???
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400 grams per day? shit man! it's a real pain in the ass to even get 200 grams per day only from food sources (especially when on a diet)
There's no need to make it so hard on yourself. I get most of my daily 250 grams from these. :)
(http://www.bulkpowders.co.uk/media/catalog/product/cache/2/image/x400/040ec09b1e35df139433887a97daa66f/u/l/ultra-whey-protein-isolate-97.jpg) (http://www.bulkpowders.co.uk/media/catalog/product/cache/2/image/x400/040ec09b1e35df139433887a97daa66f/s/o/soay-protein-isolate-90.jpg) (http://www.bulkpowders.co.uk/media/catalog/product/cache/2/image/x400/040ec09b1e35df139433887a97daa66f/c/a/calcium-caseinate-instantised_1.jpg)
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good idea for non-workout days.
But it's on those rest days when you're body is in repair mode, and puts those amino acids to use.
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Philsulin is perfect for this "sport".
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Shame it doesn't work on the scapula.
think u mean clavicle
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this looks photoshopped
a regular guy with the arms of a top pro
His man purse is gayyy!...why would you even have that if your not a woman?
What happen to those days when men carries a wallet? ::)