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Missouri man arrested at hospital for refusing to leave gay partner
By David Edwards
Thursday, April 11, 2013 8:50 EDT
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A gay man was arrested at a hospital in Missouri this week when he refused to leave the bedside of his partner, and now a restraining order is preventing him from any type of visitation.
Roger Gorley told WDAF that even though he has power of attorney to handle his partner’s affairs, a family member asked him to leave when he visited Research Medical Center in Kansas City on Tuesday.
Gorley said he refused to leave his partner Allen’s bedside, and that’s when security put him in handcuffs and escorted him from the building.
“I was not recognized as being the husband, I wasn’t recognized as being the partner,” Gorley explained.
He said the nurse refused to confirm that the couple shared power of attorney and made medical decision for each other.
“She didn’t even bother to look it up, to check in to it,” the Lee’s Summit resident recalled.
In a 2010 memorandum, President Barack Obama ordered hospitals that receive Medicare or Medicaid funding to allow visitation rights for gay and lesbian partners.
For its part, Research Medical Center insisted that it does not discriminate based on sexual orientation.
“We believe involving the family is an important part of the patient care process,” the hospital said in a statement. “And, the patient`s needs are always our first priority. When anyone becomes disruptive to providing the necessary patient care, we involve our security team to help calm the situation and to protect our patients and staff. If the situation continues to escalate, we have no choice but to request police assistance.”
Gorley cannot currently visit his partner at all due to a restraining order issued after his arrest on Tuesday.
Watch this video from WDAF, broadcast April 11, 2013.
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/04/11/missouri-man-arrested-at-hospital-for-refusing-to-leave-gay-partner/
Classic example of why the historically "equal but separate" notion doesn't work, ...never has, ...and never will.
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bullshit story
Why didnt this twink just do a HCP ?
Cheap bastid.
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bullshit story
Why didnt this twink just do a HCP ?
Cheap bastid.
What's a HCP?
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What's a HCP?
Health Care Proxy
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Health Care Proxy
From my understanding, they had mutual POAs and all paperwork was in order, but the hurses refused to check.
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From my understanding, they had mutual POAs and all paperwork was in order, but the hurses refused to check.
Sometimes the patient needs to be left alone. Maybe this twink was causing a comotion - there is probably more to this than just some oversized cry baby melting down he can be w his BF 24/7 in the hospital room.
If this guy facing imminent death or something?
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Sometimes the patient needs to be left alone. Maybe this twink was causing a comotion - there is probably more to this than just some oversized cry baby melting down he can be w his BF 24/7 in the hospital room.
If this guy facing imminent death or something?
That's probably what happened.
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That's probably what happened.
What would lead you to believe this?
Personal opinion?
No one has stated such, so you, a person who lives out on an Island thousands of miles away from this guy. You know he created some "commotion"?
HAH!
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it's 333386 the great mind reader,first exotic now this
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it's 333386 the great mind reader,first exotic now this
Maybe the rest of the family wanted to be alone w the guy and the lover refused to leave or something. There is definately more to this than meets the eye.
For all we know he was caught trying to perform an act on his BF and they asked him to leave. You never know.
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Maybe the rest of the family wanted to be alone w the guy and the lover refused to leave or something. There is definately more to this than meets the eye.
For all we know he was caught trying to perform an act on his BF and they asked him to leave. You never know.
Yep. You never know, but usually when someone starts acting a fool they get asked to leave.
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She didn’t even bother to look it up, to check in to it,” the Lee’s Summit resident recalled.
That is why you carry a copy with you twink!
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Maybe the rest of the family wanted to be alone w the guy and the lover refused to leave or something. There is definately more to this than meets the eye.
For all we know he was caught trying to perform an act on his BF and they asked him to leave. You never know.
That's precisely why "separate but equal" should NEVER be allowed to apply. Let them marry for goodness sakes!
Can you picture a situation where a man refuses to leave his dying wife's side because her brother or cousin wants to be alone with her, ...and they through the husband out of the hospital? can you picture the shit storm if a woman refused to leave her dying husband's side, so his extended family wanted to be alone with him, ...and they throw her out of the hospital? It would NEVER happen. Hospital personnel would defer to the wishes of the spouse, and if a husband or wife chose to monopolize the last few hours of their loved ones... so be it!
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UPDATE: 4/11 3:14 p.m. -- Research Medical Center responded to the allegations in a Facebook post on Thursday afternoon.
This was an issue of disruptive and belligerent behavior by the visitor that affected patient care. The hospital’s response followed the same policies that would apply to any individual engaged in this behavior in a patient care setting and was not in any way related to the patient’s or the visitor’s sexual orientation or marital status. This visitor created a barrier for us to care for the patient. Attempts were made to deescalate the situation. Unfortunately, we had no choice but to involve security and the Kansas City MO Police Department.
The hospital also denies it ever filed a restraining order against Gorley.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/11/gay-man-arrested-missouri-hospital_n_3060488.html
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Like I said - a oversized twink causing a commotion
Probably was melting down himself blubbering all over place and creating a scene.
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She didn’t even bother to look it up, to check in to it,” the Lee’s Summit resident recalled.
That is why you carry a copy with you twink!
How many husband's or wives are required to carry copies of their marriage certificates or other papers with them?
...especially when such documentation is already on file with the facility?
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How many husband's or wives are required to carry copies of their marriage certificates or other papers with them?
...especially when such documentation is already on file with the facility?
Who cares - if a spouse is disruptive - they get escorted out of there too.
Seems like the twinks want special rights.
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UPDATE: 4/11 3:14 p.m. -- Research Medical Center responded to the allegations in a Facebook post on Thursday afternoon.
This was an issue of disruptive and belligerent behavior by the visitor that affected patient care. The hospital’s response followed the same policies that would apply to any individual engaged in this behavior in a patient care setting and was not in any way related to the patient’s or the visitor’s sexual orientation or marital status. This visitor created a barrier for us to care for the patient. Attempts were made to deescalate the situation. Unfortunately, we had no choice but to involve security and the Kansas City MO Police Department.
The hospital also denies it ever filed a restraining order against Gorley.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/11/gay-man-arrested-missouri-hospital_n_3060488.html
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Like I said - a oversized twink causing a commotion
Probably was melting down himself blubbering all over place and creating a scene.
Not surprised.
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Not surprised.
They responded to allegations of a facebook post?
Yeah... lots of professionals there.
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UPDATE: 4/11 3:14 p.m. -- Research Medical Center responded to the allegations in a Facebook post on Thursday afternoon.
This was an issue of disruptive and belligerent behavior by the visitor that affected patient care. The hospital’s response followed the same policies that would apply to any individual engaged in this behavior in a patient care setting and was not in any way related to the patient’s or the visitor’s sexual orientation or marital status. This visitor created a barrier for us to care for the patient. Attempts were made to deescalate the situation. Unfortunately, we had no choice but to involve security and the Kansas City MO Police Department.
The hospital also denies it ever filed a restraining order against Gorley.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/11/gay-man-arrested-missouri-hospital_n_3060488.html
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Like I said - a oversized twink causing a commotion
Probably was melting down himself blubbering all over place and creating a scene.
Each side has a position in the matter. I would expect the hospital to say no less than that, ..however, the fact remains he has been denied access to his dying partner.
Let us entertain your wild speculation for a minute. Do you for a minute think that a hysterical woman who refuses to leave her dying husband's side is going to be body slammed to the floor, ...glasses flying off, ...both hearing aids flying out of her ears, and being physically removed from the premises because she was blubberring & crying over her dying partner? She'd be soothed, given a tissue, a cup of coffee, and there, there... treated with patient kid gloves. no hospital would even dare to think of doing such a thing.
Looks to me from my perspective like they decided to "man-handle the little homo" without thinking of the potential PR nightmare it could / would / did unleash!
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Each side has a position in the matter. I would expect the hospital to say no less than that, ..however, the fact remains he has been denied access to his dying partner.
Let us entertain your wild speculation for a minute. Do you for a minute think that a hysterical woman who refuses to leave her dying husband's side is going to be body slammed to the floor, ...glasses flying off, ...both hearing aids flying out of her ears, and being physically removed from the premises because she was blubberring & crying over her dying partner? She'd be soothed, given a tissue, a cup of coffee, and there, there... treated with patient kid gloves. no hospital would even dare to think of doing such a thing.
Looks to me from my perspective like they decided to "man-handle the little homo" without thinking of the potential PR nightmare it could / would / did unleash!
It depends - if the doc and staff are trying to administer care of some type and the spouse or whoever refuses to leave - they should get out of the room.
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It depends - if the doc and staff are trying to administer care of some type and the spouse or whoever refuses to leave - they should get out of the room.
What kind of care besides an operation can the facility provide that would require the spouse to be out of the room?
Were they afraid his partner might see him naked? He was removed at the request of another family member.
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What kind of care besides an operation can the facility provide that would require the spouse to be out of the room?
Were they afraid his partner might see him naked? He was removed at the request of another family member.
I have no idea - i have seen a lot of things in hospitals visiting people. i can imagine a million scenarios here and think this twink is being a drama QUEEN. Definately the QUEEN in the relationship.
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I have no idea - i have seen a lot of things in hospitals visiting people. i can imagine a million scenarios here and think this twink is being a drama QUEEN. Definately the QUEEN in the relationship.
again did you bother to read the post when the guy got to the hospital a family member asked him to leave,so if you were in his shoes and were there to see your partner and a family member asked you to leave when you have every legal right to be there you would probably get pissed
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again did you bother to read the post when the guy got to the hospital a family member asked him to leave,so if you were in his shoes and were their to see your partner and a family member asked you to leave when you have every legal right to be there you would probably get pissed
Like I said its no different than a lot of things I have seen - maybe the beta-twink was w the partner the entire time and the family asked for a few minutes alone without have his prescense there and he melted down.
You never know. Personally - i dont know how i would react beause im not an over emotional blubbering gay causing a rukus in the hospital
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Like I said its no different than a lot of things I have seen - maybe the beta-twink was w the partner the entire time and the family asked for a few minutes alone without have his prescense there and he melted down.
You never know. Personally - i dont know how i would react beause im not an over emotional blubbering gay causing a rukus in the hospital
mmmmmmmm ;D
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mmmmmmmm ;D
You coming on to me? Sorry - dont roll like that.
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If the guy was his legal partner, what right does another family member have to make him leave?
Side note... Keep deleting my posts, Mark. Shows exactly the kind of person you are.
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If the guy was his legal partner, what right does another family member have to make him leave?
Side note... Keep deleting my posts, Mark. Shows exactly the kind of person you are.
The staff is not going to act like a jury there - people start yelling and melting down - they ask people to leave.
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The staff is not going to act like a jury there - people start yelling and melting down - they ask people to leave.
Then why not ask everyone. Why just the gay guy?
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Then why not ask everyone. Why just the gay guy?
Agreed. But i was not there and just envisioning what happened based on how i know a lot of these things happen at the hospital. Everyone is all hyped up and tense meltdowns easily happen.
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You coming on to me? Sorry - dont roll like that.
sounds like you have alot of wishfull thinking ;D
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sounds like you have alot of wishfull thinking ;D
I do - a nice pawg, a winning lotto ticket, a decked out ferrari, obama and cuomo to be impeached, booze, etc.
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LOL @ having to delete posts here instead of debating and refuting them.
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who's mark
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who's mark
Beach Bum's real name is Mark.
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If the guy was his legal partner, what right does another family member have to make him leave?
Side note... Keep deleting my posts, Mark. Shows exactly the kind of person you are.
Gay "marriage" isn't legal in Missouri. You may recall back in 2004, the "Show-Me-State" was among the first to pass a marriage amendment, defining marriage as one-man-one-woman.
And, as long as DOMA remains intact (or perhaps even if it doesn't), Missouri officials do not have to recognize gay "marriage" from another state.
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Like I said its no different than a lot of things I have seen - maybe the beta-twink was w the partner the entire time and the family asked for a few minutes alone without have his prescense there and he melted down.
You never know. Personally - i dont know how i would react beause im not an over emotional blubbering gay causing a rukus in the hospital
Technically true, ...since no one has ever described getbig as a hospital. ;D
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Gay "marriage" isn't legal in Missouri. You may recall back in 2004, the "Show-Me-State" was among the first to pass a marriage amendment, defining marriage as one-man-one-woman.
And, as long as DOMA remains intact (or perhaps even if it doesn't), Missouri officials do not have to recognize gay "marriage" from another state.
I am pretty sure that very very soon all of this anti-gay-marriage legislation will be overturned.
It's a completely new world and gay marriage is in it to stay.
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I am pretty sure that very very soon all of this anti-gay-marriage legislation will be overturned.
It's a completely new world and gay marriage is in it to stay.
Fundies shouldn't be mad about this. When Gays die they are still going to hell :D
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Gay "marriage" isn't legal in Missouri. You may recall back in 2004, the "Show-Me-State" was among the first to pass a marriage amendment, defining marriage as one-man-one-woman.
And, as long as DOMA remains intact (or perhaps even if it doesn't), Missouri officials do not have to recognize gay "marriage" from another state.
Should they be made to recognize POAs? Should they be made to recognize official wills?
A guy man chooses to leave his estate to his partner, ...but the asshole parents who tossed his ass out because he was gay and never spoke to him for the past 40 yrs gets it instead because when he died they were the only surviving kin? That is pure BS!
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Fundies shouldn't be mad about this. When Gays die they are still going to hell :D
and that means the str8s go to heaven?
what kind of logic is yours?
plus, you believe in a 'hell' ? go thump your bible a while longer; against your head.
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and that means the str8s go to heaven?
what kind of logic is yours?
plus, you believe in a 'hell' ? go thump your bible a while longer; against your head.
You can't tell my post was a sarcastic dig at bible thumpers?
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If the guy was his legal partner, what right does another family member have to make him leave?
Side note... Keep deleting my posts, Mark. Shows exactly the kind of person you are.
Pretty disgusting, petty, small minded, and mean spirited if you ask me. >:(
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You can't tell my post was a sarcastic dig at bible thumpers?
I dunno... this topic might hit a nerve too raw for him to be able to decipher sarcasm at the moment. :-\
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Maybe the rest of the family wanted to be alone w the guy and the lover refused to leave or something. There is definately more to this than meets the eye.
For all we know he was caught trying to perform an act on his BF and they asked him to leave. You never know.
Wow...gone off the deep end have we??
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Fundies shouldn't be mad about this. When Gays die they are still going to hell :D
I applaud you. That little acorn you call a brain has acknowledged the truth.
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I applaud you. That little acorn you call a brain has acknowledged the truth.
Truth based on a book of fairy tales written by primitive bronze age men.......I will keep my acorn brain ;D
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I applaud you. That little acorn you call a brain has acknowledged the truth.
People who pray in public are going to hell too.
The Bible says so. I am pretty sure Satan has you a reserved spot in the gay bukkake circle.
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People who pray in public are going to hell too.
The Bible says so. I am pretty sure Satan has you a reserved spot in the gay bukkake circle.
So all the mooooooooooooossssssssss llllllliiiimmmmmmsssssss are going to burn with 36 sluts vs going to heaven w 72 virgins?
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So all the mooooooooooooossssssssss llllllliiiimmmmmmsssssss are going to burn with 36 sluts vs going to heaven w 72 virgins?
Along with all the Christians too.
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People who pray in public are going to hell too.
The Bible says so. I am pretty sure Satan has you a reserved spot in the gay bukkake circle.
:D :D :D :D :D i think he's looking forward to it :D :D :D :D :D
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I applaud you. That little acorn you call a brain has acknowledged the truth.
You really believe gays go to hell Dario?
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You really believe gays go to hell Dario?
He claims Jesus created the universe and Earth as well. So yeah.... he believes stupid shit like that.
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VIA HP
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The story of a gay man who was arrested for refusing to the leave his sick partner at a Missouri hospital made headlines across the nation earlier this week. Now, new details about the ordeal are painting a very disturbing picture of the alleged events.
Roger Gorley was handcuffed and forcibly removed from Research Medical Center in Kansas City, Mo., on Tuesday after he refused to leave his partner, Allen, who was receiving treatment for severe depression. Roger told Fox station WDAF that the hospital is guilty of discrimination. However, Research Medical Center denies the accusation, saying Roger was "disruptive and belligerent" and had to be escorted from the premises, according to a statement obtained by The Huffington Post.
But according to Amanda Brown, the 26-year-old daughter of Roger, there is much more to the story than hospital officials are letting on.
Speaking with John Aravosis of America Blog, the woman said Allen's brother, Lee, didn't want Roger at the hospital. Lee confronted Roger in front of a nurse, and the nurse allegedly had Roger removed, even though Allen had said he wanted his partner there.
Roger and Allen, who have been together for five years, are in a civil union and make medical decisions for each other through Power of Attorney.
“Lee was being more crazy than my dad, he was the one who was yelling,” Brown said.
Still, the nurse -- who supposedly was aware of Roger and Allen's status -- “directed her comments to Roger, ‘You need to leave the room.’ My dad said, ‘No, this is my husband, I’m going to stay with him," Brown added.
Shortly after, the police arrived.
Amanda described the interaction between her father and law enforcement in a We Are Atheism blog post:
When the Kansas City Missouri Police Department arrived they asked my father to leave the room. He said to them, “No. This is my husband and I am going to stay with him.” The police considered that a violation of a direct order so they began to forcibly remove him from the room. My father held onto the rail of the gurney as well as his husbands hand with everything he had. The police responded with brut and excessive force. The office began karate chopping his wrist to get him to release the gurney. Then they wrestled him to the ground forcefully enough to knock his glasses off of his face, his hearing aids out of his ears, and nearly break his wrist while they took him down. To handcuff him they pushed a knee into his back and wrenched his wrists around.
She also says her father was cut in the process and began bleeding. She added that one of the officers seemed to be afraid Roger could be HIV-positive.
"One of the arresting officers was so offended by my father’s presence that he would not touch him with his bare hands," she said. "He wore gloves the entire time and to make matters even more humiliating he didn’t want his handcuffs back."
A representative for the Kansas City Police Department told HuffPost that hospital security dealt with Roger while he was in the room. She said police arrived to escort him out of the hospital.
As for the accusation that an officer was wary about Roger bleeding, she said wearing gloves is protocol.
"I don't know if that was a Kansas City officer," the spokeswoman told HuffPost. "I can't speak to that. The only thing I can speak to is the way we handle anyone when there is blood present. It's a protection of ourselves from any bodily fluids. What [Brown] described isn't unusual. It doesn't have to do with his sexual preference. We don't know -- when we come into contact with people -- what they have or may not have. We just try to be safe."
Not only is the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) working with Roger, but the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services (CMS) is also looking into the incident.
"All Americans are guaranteed the right to receive hospital visitors that they designate, and there are specific protections in our rules for same-sex couples across the country," a representative for CMS told BuzzFeed. "We take alleged violations of federal rules around hospital visitation very seriously."
In 2010, President Barack Obama extended hospital visitation rights to same-sex partners in a federal regulation aimed at hospitals participating in Medicare and Medicaid programs. Tuesday's events could be in direct violation of this ruling.
Still, Research Medical Center says there was never any discrimination based on sexual orientation.
"In accordance with HIPAA, all Research Medical Center can report is that this is NOT a Gay Rights issue but an issue of disturbance where the patient was not able to get the care he needed," the hospital responded in a Facebook post.
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VIA HP
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The story of a gay man who was arrested for refusing to the leave his sick partner at a Missouri hospital made headlines across the nation earlier this week. Now, new details about the ordeal are painting a very disturbing picture of the alleged events.
Roger Gorley was handcuffed and forcibly removed from Research Medical Center in Kansas City, Mo., on Tuesday after he refused to leave his partner, Allen, who was receiving treatment for severe depression. Roger told Fox station WDAF that the hospital is guilty of discrimination. However, Research Medical Center denies the accusation, saying Roger was "disruptive and belligerent" and had to be escorted from the premises, according to a statement obtained by The Huffington Post.
But according to Amanda Brown, the 26-year-old daughter of Roger, there is much more to the story than hospital officials are letting on.
Speaking with John Aravosis of America Blog, the woman said Allen's brother, Lee, didn't want Roger at the hospital. Lee confronted Roger in front of a nurse, and the nurse allegedly had Roger removed, even though Allen had said he wanted his partner there.
Roger and Allen, who have been together for five years, are in a civil union and make medical decisions for each other through Power of Attorney.
“Lee was being more crazy than my dad, he was the one who was yelling,” Brown said.
Still, the nurse -- who supposedly was aware of Roger and Allen's status -- “directed her comments to Roger, ‘You need to leave the room.’ My dad said, ‘No, this is my husband, I’m going to stay with him," Brown added.
Shortly after, the police arrived.
Amanda described the interaction between her father and law enforcement in a We Are Atheism blog post:
When the Kansas City Missouri Police Department arrived they asked my father to leave the room. He said to them, “No. This is my husband and I am going to stay with him.” The police considered that a violation of a direct order so they began to forcibly remove him from the room. My father held onto the rail of the gurney as well as his husbands hand with everything he had. The police responded with brut and excessive force. The office began karate chopping his wrist to get him to release the gurney. Then they wrestled him to the ground forcefully enough to knock his glasses off of his face, his hearing aids out of his ears, and nearly break his wrist while they took him down. To handcuff him they pushed a knee into his back and wrenched his wrists around.
She also says her father was cut in the process and began bleeding. She added that one of the officers seemed to be afraid Roger could be HIV-positive.
"One of the arresting officers was so offended by my father’s presence that he would not touch him with his bare hands," she said. "He wore gloves the entire time and to make matters even more humiliating he didn’t want his handcuffs back."
A representative for the Kansas City Police Department told HuffPost that hospital security dealt with Roger while he was in the room. She said police arrived to escort him out of the hospital.
As for the accusation that an officer was wary about Roger bleeding, she said wearing gloves is protocol.
"I don't know if that was a Kansas City officer," the spokeswoman told HuffPost. "I can't speak to that. The only thing I can speak to is the way we handle anyone when there is blood present. It's a protection of ourselves from any bodily fluids. What [Brown] described isn't unusual. It doesn't have to do with his sexual preference. We don't know -- when we come into contact with people -- what they have or may not have. We just try to be safe."
Not only is the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) working with Roger, but the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services (CMS) is also looking into the incident.
"All Americans are guaranteed the right to receive hospital visitors that they designate, and there are specific protections in our rules for same-sex couples across the country," a representative for CMS told BuzzFeed. "We take alleged violations of federal rules around hospital visitation very seriously."
In 2010, President Barack Obama extended hospital visitation rights to same-sex partners in a federal regulation aimed at hospitals participating in Medicare and Medicaid programs. Tuesday's events could be in direct violation of this ruling.
Still, Research Medical Center says there was never any discrimination based on sexual orientation.
"In accordance with HIPAA, all Research Medical Center can report is that this is NOT a Gay Rights issue but an issue of disturbance where the patient was not able to get the care he needed," the hospital responded in a Facebook post.
its safe to assume there's WAY more to this story. its not like the guy was in a car accident and was in a life or death situation where every minute counted. he was being treated for fucking depression. it sounds like the room was chock full of assholes and things got out of hand.
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VIA HP
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The story of a gay man who was arrested for refusing to the leave his sick partner at a Missouri hospital made headlines across the nation earlier this week. Now, new details about the ordeal are painting a very disturbing picture of the alleged events.
Roger Gorley was handcuffed and forcibly removed from Research Medical Center in Kansas City, Mo., on Tuesday after he refused to leave his partner, Allen, who was receiving treatment for severe depression. Roger told Fox station WDAF that the hospital is guilty of discrimination. However, Research Medical Center denies the accusation, saying Roger was "disruptive and belligerent" and had to be escorted from the premises, according to a statement obtained by The Huffington Post.
But according to Amanda Brown, the 26-year-old daughter of Roger, there is much more to the story than hospital officials are letting on.
Speaking with John Aravosis of America Blog, the woman said Allen's brother, Lee, didn't want Roger at the hospital. Lee confronted Roger in front of a nurse, and the nurse allegedly had Roger removed, even though Allen had said he wanted his partner there.
Roger and Allen, who have been together for five years, are in a civil union and make medical decisions for each other through Power of Attorney.
“Lee was being more crazy than my dad, he was the one who was yelling,” Brown said.
Still, the nurse -- who supposedly was aware of Roger and Allen's status -- “directed her comments to Roger, ‘You need to leave the room.’ My dad said, ‘No, this is my husband, I’m going to stay with him," Brown added.
Shortly after, the police arrived.
Amanda described the interaction between her father and law enforcement in a We Are Atheism blog post:
When the Kansas City Missouri Police Department arrived they asked my father to leave the room. He said to them, “No. This is my husband and I am going to stay with him.” The police considered that a violation of a direct order so they began to forcibly remove him from the room. My father held onto the rail of the gurney as well as his husbands hand with everything he had. The police responded with brut and excessive force. The office began karate chopping his wrist to get him to release the gurney. Then they wrestled him to the ground forcefully enough to knock his glasses off of his face, his hearing aids out of his ears, and nearly break his wrist while they took him down. To handcuff him they pushed a knee into his back and wrenched his wrists around.
She also says her father was cut in the process and began bleeding. She added that one of the officers seemed to be afraid Roger could be HIV-positive.
"One of the arresting officers was so offended by my father’s presence that he would not touch him with his bare hands," she said. "He wore gloves the entire time and to make matters even more humiliating he didn’t want his handcuffs back."
A representative for the Kansas City Police Department told HuffPost that hospital security dealt with Roger while he was in the room. She said police arrived to escort him out of the hospital.
As for the accusation that an officer was wary about Roger bleeding, she said wearing gloves is protocol.
"I don't know if that was a Kansas City officer," the spokeswoman told HuffPost. "I can't speak to that. The only thing I can speak to is the way we handle anyone when there is blood present. It's a protection of ourselves from any bodily fluids. What [Brown] described isn't unusual. It doesn't have to do with his sexual preference. We don't know -- when we come into contact with people -- what they have or may not have. We just try to be safe."
Not only is the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) working with Roger, but the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services (CMS) is also looking into the incident.
"All Americans are guaranteed the right to receive hospital visitors that they designate, and there are specific protections in our rules for same-sex couples across the country," a representative for CMS told BuzzFeed. "We take alleged violations of federal rules around hospital visitation very seriously."
In 2010, President Barack Obama extended hospital visitation rights to same-sex partners in a federal regulation aimed at hospitals participating in Medicare and Medicaid programs. Tuesday's events could be in direct violation of this ruling.
Still, Research Medical Center says there was never any discrimination based on sexual orientation.
"In accordance with HIPAA, all Research Medical Center can report is that this is NOT a Gay Rights issue but an issue of disturbance where the patient was not able to get the care he needed," the hospital responded in a Facebook post.
I think anyone would be pissed if they were told to leave their loved one's side...especially since his partner wanted him to stay and they had all of their paperwork in order....which I think is silly for that part because I believe that government should not have any involvement in marriage or any personal relationship....period.
It appears that the police gave an illegal order however it was because the hospital...or in this case the nurse decided to play politics and ignored federal guidelines. He may have been dragged out but the hospital may as well pull out their checkbooks and start writing.
I am glad it happened because it takes bullshit like this to force moral and decent chances in treatment of others. And 333386....one day you may find yourself in a situation where your civil rights are violated.
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I think anyone would be pissed if they were told to leave their loved one's side...especially since his partner wanted him to stay and they had all of their paperwork in order....which I think is silly for that part because I believe that government should not have any involvement in marriage or any personal relationship....period.
It appears that the police gave an illegal order however it was because the hospital...or in this case the nurse decided to play politics and ignored federal guidelines. He may have been dragged out but the hospital may as well pull out their checkbooks and start writing.
I am glad it happened because it takes bullshit like this to force moral and decent chances in treatment of others. And 333386....one day you may find yourself in a situation where your civil rights are violated.
none of us have any idea what happened at the hospital that day except for the people that were there. the fact that you have your mind made up already and think the hospital should start writing checks just proves that you're biased. they very well may have treated that man and his partner horribly simply because they are gay. however, they may have just kicked some fucking asshole out of the hospital that just so happens to be gay. we don't know. what we do know is that it wasn't the hospital that initially wanted the guy out of there. it was the guy's brother who didn't want him there. so i don't think anyone should jump to conclusions just yet.
and again, he wasn't in a horrible accident where every minute counts. he was being treated for depression. my wife works in a hospital and has worked on the psych floor. EVERYONE there has the potential to be disruptive and dangerous. i'd be interested to hear both sides of the story before i make up my mind. but thats just me.
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This seems to be more of a hospital not doing their job issue that is being held up as a "gay rights" issue to try and further the agenda.
They didnt check the paperwork for his POA which presumably would have allowed him to stay. If he started acting crazy before they had a chance though then the hospital probably just followed procedure.
No matter what it doesnt excuse him flipping out and assaulting ppl
I agree he should have been allowed to stay if the patient requested it regardless of him being his partner/POA...UNLESS HE WAS CAUSING A DISTURBANCE!!!!!
you ppl all riled up about gay rights are just looking for a reason to be pissed. This is a hospital procedure issue not a gay rights issue.
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none of us have any idea what happened at the hospital that day except for the people that were there. the fact that you have your mind made up already and think the hospital should start writing checks just proves that you're biased. they very well may have treated that man and his partner horribly simply because they are gay. however, they may have just kicked some fucking asshole out of the hospital that just so happens to be gay. we don't know. what we do know is that it wasn't the hospital that initially wanted the guy out of there. it was the guy's brother who didn't want him there. so i don't think anyone should jump to conclusions just yet.
and again, he wasn't in a horrible accident where every minute counts. he was being treated for depression. my wife works in a hospital and has worked on the psych floor. EVERYONE there has the potential to be disruptive and dangerous. i'd be interested to hear both sides of the story before i make up my mind. but thats just me.
The guy's brother has no right to his care as he did not leave any decisions to him. And my basis of the argument was simply substituting him in place of a woman......and it would never fly anywhere in the country.
There's no "2 sides to a story". His partner left the guy in charge of his care and well-being...not his brother and he had no right to tell him to leave. If the hospital claims a commotion had started, then they should have removed both the brother and the partner.....instead they somehow came to the conclusion to just remove "the fag'...... ::)
As far as his medical condition is concerned, it doesn't matter if he's there for a stub toe.....Federal and state laws are pretty clear on this and now the hospital is in deep doo doo.
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This seems to be more of a hospital not doing their job issue that is being held up as a "gay rights" issue to try and further the agenda.
They didnt check the paperwork for his POA which presumably would have allowed him to stay. If he started acting crazy before they had a chance though then the hospital probably just followed procedure.
No matter what it doesnt excuse him flipping out and assaulting ppl
I agree he should have been allowed to stay if the patient requested it regardless of him being his partner/POA...UNLESS HE WAS CAUSING A DISTURBANCE!!!!!
you ppl all riled up about gay rights are just looking for a reason to be pissed. This is a hospital procedure issue not a gay rights issue.
If they had not checked his paperwork then how in the world was he in his room to begin with??? Sorry but the hospital had obviiously seen his POA or they would have never let him in to begin with.
And the only disturbance I saw that was caused was by the brother who had no business telling him to leave...any commotion by the other person was justified.
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This seems to be more of a hospital not doing their job issue that is being held up as a "gay rights" issue to try and further the agenda.
They didnt check the paperwork for his POA which presumably would have allowed him to stay. If he started acting crazy before they had a chance though then the hospital probably just followed procedure.
No matter what it doesnt excuse him flipping out and assaulting ppl
I agree he should have been allowed to stay if the patient requested it regardless of him being his partner/POA...UNLESS HE WAS CAUSING A DISTURBANCE!!!!!
you ppl all riled up about gay rights are just looking for a reason to be pissed. This is a hospital procedure issue not a gay rights issue.
Why would he be riled up if the hospital had done their job in the first place?
He wouldn't have been "riled" up if he wasn't told to leave... According to the article, he had to leave because the hospital didn't recognize him as family, and instead recognized the siblings.
That's where it started.
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The guy's brother has no right to his care as he did not leave any decisions to him. And my basis of the argument was simply substituting him in place of a woman......and it would never fly anywhere in the country.
There's no "2 sides to a story". His partner left the guy in charge of his care and well-being...not his brother and he had no right to tell him to leave. If the hospital claims a commotion had started, then they should have removed both the brother and the partner.....instead they somehow came to the conclusion to just remove "the fag'...... ::)
As far as his medical condition is concerned, it doesn't matter if he's there for a stub toe.....Federal and state laws are pretty clear on this and now the hospital is in deep doo doo.
yeah there are 2 sides to a story. and you assume a lot because of your blatant bias. this shit is already completely out of control. someone pulls the gay card. you believe them. no questions asked. the problem is not that YOU are like this. you don't matter. the problem we have is if we elect supreme court justices who are like YOU. thats when it becomes a problem.
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If they had not checked his paperwork then how in the world was he in his room to begin with??? Sorry but the hospital had obviiously seen his POA or they would have never let him in to begin with.
And the only disturbance I saw that was caused was by the brother who had no business telling him to leave...any commotion by the other person was justified.
how in the fuck could you possibly know that?
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If they had not checked his paperwork then how in the world was he in his room to begin with??? Sorry but the hospital had obviiously seen his POA or they would have never let him in to begin with.
And the only disturbance I saw that was caused was by the brother who had no business telling him to leave...any commotion by the other person was justified.
straight brother of patient argues with gay partner of patient. gay guy is always right. always.
and again he may be absolutely right. i don't know. but you don't know either. the fact that you think you do is just plain retarded.
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If they had not checked his paperwork then how in the world was he in his room to begin with??? Sorry but the hospital had obviiously seen his POA or they would have never let him in to begin with.
And the only disturbance I saw that was caused was by the brother who had no business telling him to leave...any commotion by the other person was justified.
you dont have to have POA to visit a patient in a hospital, your logic again holds no water...shouldnt you be assembling fully automatic guns from airsoft guns?
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Why would he be riled up if the hospital had done their job in the first place?
He wouldn't have been "riled" up if he wasn't told to leave... According to the article, he had to leave because the hospital didn't recognize him as family, and instead recognized the siblings.
That's where it started.
If he had POA and the hospital knew this then he should have been allowed to stay regardless of the familys requests, correct?
This all started b/c the hospital didnt recognize his POA, not b/c he was gay.
If he had POA the fact he was gay doesnt mean anything.
You ppl are letting your emotions get the better of you
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If he had POA and the hospital knew this then he should have been allowed to stay regardless of the familys requests, correct?
This all started b/c the hospital didnt recognize his POA, not b/c he was gay.
If he had POA the fact he was gay doesnt mean anything.
You ppl are letting your emotions get the better of you
I'd say that the fact the POA wasn't recognized was because he was gay... You don't think so?
Why would it not be recognized in the first place?
Of course the Hospital didn't do their job... Most likely it was because he was gay and they didn't want to bother to research.
So his homosexuality was certainly a factor.
If I'm married and I go in and say "This is my wife", no one is kicking me out of anywhere... Because I'm heterosexual.
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I'd say that the fact the POA wasn't recognized was because he was gay... You don't think so?
Why would it not be recognized in the first place?
Of course the Hospital didn't do their job... Most likely it was because he was gay and they didn't want to bother to research.
So his homosexuality was certainly a factor.
If I'm married and I go in and say "This is my wife", no one is kicking me out of anywhere... Because I'm heterosexual.
if you can show some proof to your assertion then by all means, right now your basically playing the gay card without proof.
Looking at the FACTS, the hospital didnt do their job and look through the paperwork...PLAIN AND SIMPLE
The fact that he is gay is besides the point unless you have some additional proof youre holding back?
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why bother with this thread your not going to change them on their bigoted views
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if you can show some proof to your assertion then by all means, right now your basically playing the gay card without proof.
Looking at the FACTS, the hospital didnt do their job and look through the paperwork...PLAIN AND SIMPLE
The fact that he is gay is besides the point unless you have some additional proof youre holding back?
Ridiculous.
The fact he is gay is absolutely the point.
If he wasn't gay he wouldn't even need paperwork.
Are you disagreeing?
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why bother with this thread your not going to change them on their bigoted views
more intolerance from the ones yelling about tolerance
what bigoted view is that?
the one where I said he should have been allowed to stay?
you fundie libtards cannot stand ppl who view things different from you
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Ridiculous.
The fact he is gay is absolutely the point.
If he wasn't gay he wouldn't even need paperwork.
Are you disagreeing?
again if you have any proof that his sexuality was the issue please present it
POA is given to ppl of the same sex on a daily basis,
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again if you have any proof that his sexuality was the issue please present it
The proof is that if he were a woman he wouldn't need proof... or does that just seem to miss you?
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The proof is that if he were a woman he wouldn't need proof... or does that just seem to miss you?
LOL that doesnt prove shit, so no man has ever been able to see/stay with another man at a hosptial if they had POA
The fact is the hospital didnt do their job OR the guy was acting an ASS
youre pointing at less than circumstantial evidence and yelling its your proof
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You really believe gays go to hell Dario?
Yes. What they are doing is a sin. They will be joined by those who don't repent before God for committing adultery, murder, stealing, etc.
1 Corinthians 6:9,10
9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
Galatian 5:19-21
19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
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more intolerance from the ones yelling about tolerance
what bigoted view is that?
the one where I said he should have been allowed to stay?
you fundie libtards cannot stand ppl who view things different from you
here to defend yourself hahaha need i say more
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LOL that doesnt prove shit, so no man has ever been able to see/stay with another man at a hosptial if they had POA
The fact is the hospital didnt do their job OR the guy was acting an ASS
youre pointing at less than circumstantial evidence and yelling its your proof
I understand you don't like gay people Tony, but that certainly doesn't give you any credence.
Any reasonable person would see that if he were a woman who said, "that's my husband", no one would even blink.
If you are unable to admit to that, then there is no point continuing the conversation.
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He claims Jesus created the universe and Earth as well. So yeah.... he believes stupid shit like that.
You are a retard who proclaims wisdom, but yet can't comprehend the Trinity.
I will be there before you when you weep before the Lord to save your soul and HE reminds you of every moment, including this one, when you mocked the truth.
Repent while you have time.
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A disruptive person has to fkn go.
Sorry, there are other patients in the hospital who need the attention that dramatic or high maintenance visitors require.
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People who pray in public are going to hell too.
The Bible says so. I am pretty sure Satan has you a reserved spot in the gay bukkake circle.
Where in the Bible does it say that and how does it apply to Christians. Hint: We are under a new covenant.
No, no. I am sure that the righteous won't be anywhere near hell.
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I understand you don't like gay people Tony, but that certainly doesn't give you any credence.
Any reasonable person would see that if he were a woman who said, "that's my husband", no one would even blink.
If you are unable to admit to that, then there is no point continuing the conversation.
LMFAO, where have I ever said I dont like gay ppl? As a matter of fact ive said many times I dont give a shit if your gay. Dont fall into the fundie libtard trap blacken has set that makes anyone who disagrees with your view a bigot.
any person with POA should be allowed to stay regardless of sexual orientation, if the hospital knew he had POA and he wasnt a distraction then he should have been allowed to stay.
If they didnt check the POA status then its on them
If you have proof that they didnt b/c he was gay by all means present it.
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You are a retard who proclaims wisdom, but yet can't comprehend the Trinity.
I will be there before you when you weep before the Lord to save your soul and HE reminds you of every moment, including this one, when you mocked the truth.
Repent while you have time.
Your "Lord" – if he was all loving and merciful – would just save everyone, without prerequisites and without requiring people to jump through hoops.
After all, if there's a quid pro quo involved, you don't have love. You have prostitution.
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You are a retard who proclaims wisdom, but yet can't comprehend the Trinity.
I will be there before you when you weep before the Lord to save your soul and HE reminds you of every moment, including this one, when you mocked the truth.
Repent while you have time.
Yeah. Because one being can be the same as three. Even though it means believing he gave birth to himself, committed suicide and ghosts are real.
::)
I am sure you will "be there" before me. As most stupid creatures don't have a long life span.
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Where in the Bible does it say that and how does it apply to Christians. Hint: We are under a new covenant.
No, no. I am sure that the righteous won't be anywhere near hell.
Matthew 6:1-34
“Beware of practicing your righteousness before other people in order to be seen by them, for then you will have no reward from your Father who is in heaven. “
Matthew 6:6
"But when you pray, go into your room and shut the door and pray to your Father who is in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will reward you. "
HAHAHA. Now let the cherry picking begin and then whining about "what is really meant..."
If there is a hell, there is a special place in it for idiotic hypocrites like yourself.
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Your "Lord" – if he was all loving and merciful – would just save everyone, without prerequisites and without requiring people to jump through hoops.
After all, if there's a quid pro quo involved, you don't have love. You have prostitution.
You think he would do it before you die right? Why wait until he is 100% sure that you won't be coming back to tell everyone it is all a hoax? And what kind of credible does someone who kills all his children actually have in the first place? LOL
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THE FACT IS NO ONE HERE KNOWS DICK ABOUT SHIT. and if you're defending the gay guy just because he's gay, you're a fucking ignorant bigoted asshole. you know some people at the hospital will probably lose their job over this. i just hope they get all of the facts straight first before they start firing people.
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Matthew 6:1-34
“Beware of practicing your righteousness before other people in order to be seen by them, for then you will have no reward from your Father who is in heaven. “
Matthew 6:6
"But when you pray, go into your room and shut the door and pray to your Father who is in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will reward you. "
HAHAHA. Now let the cherry picking begin and then whining about "what is really meant..."
If there is a hell, there is a special place in it for idiotic hypocrites like yourself.
It seems attention-whores have always been among us, LOL!
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LMFAO, where have I ever said I dont like gay ppl? As a matter of fact ive said many times I dont give a shit if your gay. Dont fall into the fundie libtard trap blacken has set that makes anyone who disagrees with your view a bigot.
any person with POA should be allowed to stay regardless of sexual orientation, if the hospital knew he had POA and he wasnt a distraction then he should have been allowed to stay.
If they didnt check the POA status then its on them
If you have proof that they didnt b/c he was gay by all means present it.
don't take it personally. you and I are looking for more facts, other than those coming from the gay guy's own daughter. these guys heard the word "gay" and they had already made up their minds.
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don't take it personally. you and I are looking for more facts, other than those coming from the gay guy's own daughter. these guys heard the word "gay" and they had already made up their minds.
Being gay doesn't matter.
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Being gay doesn't matter.
i doesn't to me. thats why when i read an article that is written based upon information comnig from the daughter of the person in question, i believe that we need both sides of the story. agree?
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Being gay doesn't matter.
lol have you been following this thread?
thats all that seems to matter to those who back this guy
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Yes. What they are doing is a sin. They will be joined by those who don't repent before God for committing adultery, murder, stealing, etc.
1 Corinthians 6:9,10
9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
Galatian 5:19-21
19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
I dont see the word gay anywhere.
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i doesn't to me. thats why when i read an article that is written based upon information comnig from the daughter of the person in question, i believe that we need both sides of the story. agree?
I haven't read this entire thread, so forgive me if this has been asked and answered, but do you think that there should be recognition (at some level) of consensual adult relationships that awards the civil benefits of marriage to those adults (e.g. implicit health care proxy, legal status vis-à-vis visitation in hospitals, inheritance law, etc)?
I agree with you that we need to hear both sides of the story and we shouldn't rush to judgement, but I think that we can agree that nurses and doctors ought to realy be more sensitive and, perhaps, considerate with people who are in a high stress environment and may not be in the best frame of mind.
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I haven't read this entire thread, so forgive me if this has been asked and answered, but do you think that there should be recognition (at some level) of consensual adult relationships that awards the civil benefits of marriage to those adults (e.g. implicit health care proxy, legal status vis-à-vis visitation in hospitals, inheritance law, etc)?
I agree with you that we need to hear both sides of the story and we shouldn't rush to judgement, but I think that we can agree that nurses and doctors ought to realy be more sensitive and, perhaps, considerate with people who are in a high stress environment and may not be in the best frame of mind.
Its probably a shitty position to be in trying to navigate personal issues in that scenario
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Its probably a shitty position to be in trying to navigate personal issues in that scenario
No doubt. Which is why nurses and doctors ought to be extra sensitive and try to defuse tension.
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No doubt. Which is why nurses and doctors ought to be extra sensitive and try to defuse tension.
If it were me - I would toss everyone into the parking lot for a battle royale
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If it were me - I would toss everyone into the parking lot for a battle royale Gangam style!
There, fixed it for you ;D
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No doubt. Which is why nurses and doctors ought to be extra sensitive and try to defuse tension.
So the care of other people's loved ones should be compromised every time someone has a hissy fit?
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So the care of other people's loved ones should be compromised every time someone has a hissy fit?
I don't think that's what I said and am somewhat perplexed as to how anyone could interpret it that way.
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I don't think that's what I said and am somewhat perplexed as to how anyone could interpret it that way.
They should be sensitive but at some point, excessive needs of family members will interfere with patient care. I know people can be pretty selfish but there are limits to the extent to which you're obligated to indulge them.
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They should be sensitive but at some point, excessive needs of family members will interfere with patient care. I know people can be pretty selfish but there are limits to the extent to which you're obligated to indulge them.
I never that they should allow interference with patient care. I also never said that they're obligated to indulge people. If you're going to quote me then answer what I write, not the flotsam and jetsam whirling around in your head.
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This isn't related to this story here, but just tossing it out as something to think about. I have seen quite a few cases here at the hospital where someone is in really bad shape and their "family" shows up and has their partner tossed out. Keep in mind that their "family" is often at times members they haven't seen in decades and have disowned them for their choice in partners. Yet they allow their hatred to overrule who the patient would rather have by their side. It is nothing more than a biased power struggle.
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I haven't read this entire thread, so forgive me if this has been asked and answered, but do you think that there should be recognition (at some level) of consensual adult relationships that awards the civil benefits of marriage to those adults (e.g. implicit health care proxy, legal status vis-à-vis visitation in hospitals, inheritance law, etc)?
I agree with you that we need to hear both sides of the story and we shouldn't rush to judgement, but I think that we can agree that nurses and doctors ought to realy be more sensitive and, perhaps, considerate with people who are in a high stress environment and may not be in the best frame of mind.
This is the statement I was responding to.
It's a hospital, FFS!! Doctors and nurses are the only ones expected to be on their best and never make mistakes. My point is that people having hissy-fits detracts from overall patient care. I couldn't care less if the guy is gay, civil-union'd, married, divorced, or transgendered... he does not have the right to be disruptive.
It's not easy to get kicked out of a hospital, you know. In most situations the staff will bend over backwards to make people more comfortable unless it's going to interfere with patient care. :)
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I haven't read this entire thread, so forgive me if this has been asked and answered, but do you think that there should be recognition (at some level) of consensual adult relationships that awards the civil benefits of marriage to those adults (e.g. implicit health care proxy, legal status vis-à-vis visitation in hospitals, inheritance law, etc)?
I agree with you that we need to hear both sides of the story and we shouldn't rush to judgement, but I think that we can agree that nurses and doctors ought to realy be more sensitive and, perhaps, considerate with people who are in a high stress environment and may not be in the best frame of mind.
i would agree yes. but just because my wife is in the hospital with me and she is allowed to be there doesn't mean she can act like a complete asshole and be a disruption, especially on a psych floor. my wife has worked on a psych floor and even at a nice hospital its a high stress, volatile environment.
this article is drawing all of their conclusions based ONLY upon information from the daughter of the man in question. i would say that both sides of the story need to be heard. someone could most likely lose their job over this. and lets be realistic about the situation. there is a couple. one of them is being hospitalized for depression. that means some crazy shit has gone down. so crazy that this guy was hospitalized. it's a volatile situation from the get go. its only fair that we hear the other side of the story before we make up our minds.
the fact that some people on this board have made up their minds is ridiculous and only proves their unfair bias. the sad part is they don't care. to them they've been trained by tv to always side with the gay guy, no matter what. i'll side with the gay couple. no problem. just give me something to hang my hat on first.
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i would agree yes. but just because my wife is in the hospital with me and she is allowed to be there doesn't mean she can act like a complete asshole and be a disruption, especially on a psych floor. my wife has worked on a psych floor and even at a nice hospital its a high stress, volatile environment.
this article is drawing all of their conclusions based ONLY upon information from the daughter of the man in question. i would say that both sides of the story need to be heard. someone could most likely lose their job over this. and lets be realistic about the situation. there is a couple. one of them is being hospitalized for depression. that means some crazy shit has gone down. so crazy that this guy was hospitalized. it's a volatile situation from the get go. its only fair that we hear the other side of the story before we make up our minds.
the fact that some people on this board have made up their minds is ridiculous and only proves their unfair bias. the sad part is they don't care. to them they've been trained by tv to always side with the gay guy, no matter what. i'll side with the gay couple. no problem. just give me something to hang my hat on first.
Where's the other side then?
I admit it freely that I backed the gay dude... easily done, because the statements that have been made show absolute complete bias from the Hospital.
Where's the other side?
How long are you willing to wait to hear the other side?
if the other side never speaks then I'm supposed to just believe that the other side has a point? Even if they do not state it?
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This is the statement I was responding to.
Right, but if you read that statement carefully, you will see that your responses didn't really address anything that I actually said. If I ask "what's the indefinite integral of sin(x)" and you pop up to say "clogged potatoes" technically speaking you're answering. But there's more to an answer than word salad.
It's a hospital, FFS!! Doctors and nurses are the only ones expected to be on their best and never make mistakes.
You're damn right I expected them to be on their best - no different than any other professional I do business with. I expect people to do their job right and with integrity, and if they don't, I take my business elsewhere by finding others who will.
The fact, whether doctors and nurses like it, part of their job is to deal with people who may be at their very worst. That's why they should be calm, cool and collected.
My point is that people having hissy-fits detracts from overall patient care.
They sure do, and they ought to be dealth with. My point was that there's a right way and a wrong way to handle those "hissy-fits".
I couldn't care less if the guy is gay, civil-union'd, married, divorced, or transgendered... he does not have the right to be disruptive.
I couldn't either. However it should be pointed out that if he had a healthcare proxy he could have easily told the doctors and the nurses to stick a finger up their asses and waddle out of the room. Contrary to your apparent viewpoint, doctors and nurses aren't gods and their authority only extends as far as patients want it to extend.
It's not easy to get kicked out of a hospital, you know. In most situations the staff will bend over backwards to make people more comfortable unless it's going to interfere with patient care. :)
I'm quite sure that it's not. Just like I'm sure that most of the time staff are understanding. So what?
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Where's the other side then?
I admit it freely that I backed the gay dude... easily done, because the statements that have been made show absolute complete bias from the Hospital.
Where's the other side?
How long are you willing to wait to hear the other side?
if the other side never speaks then I'm supposed to just believe that the other side has a point? Even if they do not state it?
all you've heard is information coming from the daughter of the man in question. from ONE article. you've heard nothing else. and you've made up your mind. good work.
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i would agree yes. but just because my wife is in the hospital with me and she is allowed to be there doesn't mean she can act like a complete asshole and be a disruption, especially on a psych floor. my wife has worked on a psych floor and even at a nice hospital its a high stress, volatile environment.
*nod* I absolute agree.
this article is drawing all of their conclusions based ONLY upon information from the daughter of the man in question. i would say that both sides of the story need to be heard. someone could most likely lose their job over this. and lets be realistic about the situation. there is a couple. one of them is being hospitalized for depression. that means some crazy shit has gone down. so crazy that this guy was hospitalized. it's a volatile situation from the get go. its only fair that we hear the other side of the story before we make up our minds.
I agree, the article is poorly written and conveys only half the story.
the fact that some people on this board have made up their minds is ridiculous and only proves their unfair bias. the sad part is they don't care. to them they've been trained by tv to always side with the gay guy, no matter what. i'll side with the gay couple. no problem. just give me something to hang my hat on first.
Egads... another sensible getbigger! Soon we may even be able to actually have meaningful debate on here!
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Where's the other side then?
I admit it freely that I backed the gay dude... easily done, because the statements that have been made show absolute complete bias from the Hospital.
Where's the other side?
How long are you willing to wait to hear the other side?
if the other side never speaks then I'm supposed to just believe that the other side has a point? Even if they do not state it?
and the hospital hasn't responded yet because they're going to get sued. and they're making sure they have all of the information that they need before they make an official statement. because they know that there are a bunch of fucking idiots who have their mind made up already before they have heard all of the facts.
look. i'm open to the fact that this hospital is in the wrong. i just don't know yet. i'm not going to base my entire opinion on this article. because i'm not fucking stupid.
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Right, but if you read that statement carefully, you will see that your responses didn't really address anything that I actually said. If I ask "what's the indefinite integral of sin(x)" and you pop up to say "clogged potatoes" technically speaking you're answering. But there's more to an answer than word salad.
You're damn right I expected them to be on their best - no different than any other professional I do business with. I expect people to do their job right and with integrity, and if they don't, I take my business elsewhere by finding others who will.
Someone's obligation to be on their best isn't license to act the damn fool. You're dealing with a professional for a commodity that isn't an entitlement.
The fact, whether doctors and nurses like it, part of their job is to deal with people who may be at their very worst. That's why they should be calm, cool and collected.
Lots of people should be lots of things but at the end of the day, doctors and nurses are still people. In a perfect world, people could magically be at their best those times we're at our worst but that isn't the world we live in. If the guy was acting like a douche, ejecting him seems totally fair. Not being in the hospital doesn't terminate the exercise of his HCP.
Right, but if you read that statement carefully, you will see that your responses didn't really address anything that I actually said. If I ask "what's the indefinite integral of sin(x)" and you pop up to say "clogged potatoes" technically speaking you're answering. But there's more to an answer than word salad.
Only someone who knew how specific the term "word salad" is would understand the extent to which using it makes no sense in this context. :)
They sure do, and they ought to be dealth with. My point was that there's a right way and a wrong way to handle those "hissy-fits".
The right way to handle a hissy-fit is "Take a break and come back when you can speak to the staff respectfully". You are saying they have to take crap and always be professional no matter what. My opinion is that professionals should be treated professionally.
I couldn't either. However it should be pointed out that if he had a healthcare proxy he could have easily told the doctors and the nurses to stick a finger up their asses and waddle out of the room. Contrary to your apparent viewpoint, doctors and nurses aren't gods and their authority only extends as far as patients want it to extend.
Also, the same person who exercised the healthcare proxy and sent people out of the room could turn around and sue the hospital for listening to them, simply through claiming the decision was made under duress.
My point is that people can't have it both ways. Obviously, there's nothing wrong with advocating or a loved one to have the best care possible. Some people are just selfish and push things way the hell too far.
Healthcare proxy means you're speaking as/for the patient when it comes to health care decisions. It doesn't actually mean someone is God and that everyone involved with care has to kiss your ass or take abuse.
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BOOOMMMMMM
Someone's obligation to be on their best isn't license to act the damn fool. You're dealing with a professional for a commodity that isn't an entitlement.
Lots of people should be lots of things but at the end of the day, doctors and nurses are still people. In a perfect world, people could magically be at their best those times we're at our worst but that isn't the world we live in. If the guy was acting like a douche, ejecting him seems totally fair. Not being in the hospital doesn't terminate the exercise of his HCP.
Only someone who knew how specific the term "word salad" is would understand the extent to which using it makes no sense in this context. :)
The right way to handle a hissy-fit is "Take a break and come back when you can speak to the staff respectfully". You are saying they have to take crap and always be professional no matter what. My opinion is that professionals should be treated professionally.
Also, the same person who exercised the healthcare proxy and sent people out of the room could turn around and sue the hospital for listening to them, simply through claiming the decision was made under duress.
My point is that people can't have it both ways. Obviously, there's nothing wrong with advocating or a loved one to have the best care possible. Some people are just selfish and push things way the hell too far.
Healthcare proxy means you're speaking as/for the patient when it comes to health care decisions. It doesn't actually mean someone is God and that everyone involved with care has to kiss your ass or take abuse.
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all you've heard is information coming from the daughter of the man in question. from ONE article. you've heard nothing else. and you've made up your mind. good work.
Welcome to what happens when one side does all of the talking.
I'm going with the information that has been presented... Of which, the hospital has said zilch.
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Someone's obligation to be on their best isn't license to act the damn fool. You're dealing with a professional for a commodity that isn't an entitlement.
I never said it was a license to act like one; indeed, I didn't say that they should accommodate fools (or those acting like fools). I said they should be calm, cool and collected.
Only someone who knew how specific the term "word salad" is would understand the extent to which using it makes no sense in this context. :)
I know exactly what the term means and used it on purpose (albeit, for effect). Would you have preferred "logorrhea" instead Doctor? ;)
The right way to handle a hissy-fit is "Take a break and come back when you can speak to the staff respectfully". You are saying they have to take crap and always be professional no matter what. My opinion is that professionals should be treated professionally.
The right way to handle a hissy-fit is for the "adults" to act like adults and not make the situation worse. Sometimes that means ignoring, sometimes that means a timeout.
People should always be treated respectfully. And in the context of a professional relationship, even when they aren't reciprocating.
Also, the same person who exercised the healthcare proxy and sent people out of the room could turn around and sue the hospital for listening to them, simply through claiming the decision was made under duress
Sadly we live in a society where people can sue for any reason - even for no reason at all. What's your point?
My point is that people can't have it both ways. Obviously, there's nothing wrong with advocating or a loved one to have the best care possible. Some people are just selfish and push things way the hell too far.
What does any of those silly truisms have to do with the case at hand? If you answered "nothing" then congratulations!
Healthcare proxy means you're speaking as/for the patient when it comes to health care decisions. It doesn't actually mean someone is God and that everyone involved with care has to kiss your ass or take abuse.
Right. And if that decision is "I don't want person X visiting" that means that person X isn't visiting. If that decision is "Get us paperwork to get the fuck out of here now, and bring the AMA form too so we don't waste time" you snap to it.
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Right. And if that decision is "I don't want person X visiting" that means that person X isn't visiting. If that decision is "Get us paperwork to get the fuck out of here now, and bring the AMA form too so we don't waste time" you snap to it.
And if your loved one dies in transit who will be held responsible?
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And if your loved one dies in transit who will be held responsible?
That's an overly broad question. But it's Sunday night and we're all friends here. So let's play along in your silly hypothetical and assume the death is directly the result of my choice to sign them out AMA and nothing else could possibly have contributed to it. So, then, your point is what, exactly?