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Title: Kyle Turley admits suicidal thoughts
Post by: arce1988 on May 01, 2013, 01:36:39 PM
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/9231458/kyle-turley-former-nfl-offensive-lineman-admits-having-suicidal-thoughts-according-report

Kyle Turley admits suicidal thoughts

Former NFL offensive lineman Kyle Turley told U-T San Diego that he is suffering from severe mental problems, and has considered suicide, as a result of multiple head injuries he sustained while playing football.

Turley, 37, officially was diagnosed with two concussions during his eight-year NFL career, according to the newspaper, but he believes he suffered many more that went undiagnosed.


No one in my family has ever gone crazy and killed themselves or thought about that. I have. It's not a thought that is fleeting.

-- Former NFL offensive
lineman Kyle Turley
He told the paper that there is no history of mental illness in his family, and acknowledged he takes medication to help curb his suicidal thoughts.

"No one in my family has ever gone crazy and killed themselves or thought about that. I have," Turley said during a phone interview with U-T San Diego. "It's not a thought that is fleeting. It's a thought that goes away when I'm on my medication, and the thought of doing a lot of crazy things as well and making unbelievable decisions."

Turley told the paper that the medication, Depakote, "stops me from doing a lot of things my brain wants me to do in destructive ways."

Turley appeared in 109 games with the New Orleans Saints, St. Louis Rams and Kansas City Chiefs and was a first-team All-Pro selection in 2000. He has agreed to have his brain donated to medical research after his death, and he also has donated money to the Gridiron Greats Assistance Fund, a non-profit corporation that provides financial assistance to retired NFL players.

Turley, who says he has a 2-year-old daughter and a 4-year-old son, told U-T San Diego that he fears mental illness.

"I've got as good of a chance as anybody of going down that road into crazy land or into super crazy disease land," Turley told the paper. "I've got every opportunity to probably be in the same boat in the future, and I don't know how far in the future. It's very, very disturbing, very frustrating, very stressful to deal with, especially having children."

Turley also revealed that he called the NFL Life Line, the league's 24-hour confidential support service that was launched last year shortly after the suicide of former star linebacker Junior Seau.

"It was imperative that I did," Turley told the paper. "I don't know how to explain it. It's just a moment where you're lost. You're completely gone. You don't understand the things that you're doing, you're pissed at yourself because you're doing the things that you're doing, and you have little control, it seems, over it.

"Even in the moment, you're saying, 'Why is this happening? What is going on?' But you're still in it. It's a weird thing. I don't really know how to describe it. It's frustrating to no end, and that frustration can lead you to some pretty low places. Only those who have gotten to the point where they picked up a phone can probably understand."

Turley also told the paper that, despite his apparent bouts with mental illness, he still owns a gun. But he also emphasized that as a father of two, he wants to contribute to the NFL's awareness and approach toward head injuries.

"I am on a mission," he said. "My mission is to fix this game for my son. ... I think it's going to be inevitable that he wants to follow in his dad's footsteps."
Title: Re: Suicide
Post by: arce1988 on May 01, 2013, 01:38:13 PM
  Any one ever have thoughts of suicide?
Title: Re: Suicide
Post by: anabolichalo on May 01, 2013, 01:39:53 PM
all the time

you need big ballz to do it


a lot of people have such a shit life they'd better off themselves but lack ballz
Title: Re: Suicide
Post by: bradistani on May 01, 2013, 01:43:55 PM
  Any one ever have thoughts of suicide?

not if i can help it  :-\
Title: Re: Suicide
Post by: Radical Plato on May 01, 2013, 01:50:56 PM
I have considered it when dealing with moments of overwhelming existential angst.  One of my good friends and training partners hung himself from a tree in his backyard so his wife could find him.  She cheated on him and I suppose he wanted to pay the bitch back.  He had two kids, was as stable as a rock and never showed any signs of mental illness, major depression or mood disorders.  He always went to work, paid the bills and for the most part was a good father.  Hung himself at the age 42
Title: Re: Suicide
Post by: arce1988 on May 01, 2013, 01:52:35 PM
  Very sad. I have as well. Life is brutal.
Title: Re: Suicide
Post by: The Ugly on May 01, 2013, 01:56:00 PM
all the time

you need big ballz to do it


a lot of people have such a shit life they'd better off themselves but lack ballz

This.
Title: Re: Suicide
Post by: bradistani on May 01, 2013, 01:56:54 PM
I have considered it when dealing with moments of overwhelming existential angst.  One of my good friends and training partners hung himself from a tree in his backyard so his wife could find him.  She cheated on him and I suppose he wanted to pay the bitch back.  He had two kids, was as stable as a rock and never showed any signs of mental illness, major depression or mood disorders.  He always went to work, paid the bills and for the most part was a good father.  Hung himself at the age 42

but they obviously were there and he was good at covering them up. slut tipped him over the edge..  :(
Title: Re: Suicide
Post by: cephissus on May 01, 2013, 01:57:22 PM
"The thought of suicide is a powerful solace: by means of it one gets through many a bad night."
Title: Re: Suicide
Post by: dustin on May 01, 2013, 02:00:24 PM
I think everyone has. If they haven't, then they're blissfully unaware of how dark the world is. I have depressive realism but I don't focus on the bad stuff, just acknowledge it and do what I can. That's all you can do, so don't dwell on the negative things in life or it will consume you whole.

If anyone's seriously thinking of taking their life by means of suicide, open up to someone. A friend killed himself in December and it rocked my community. His gf killed herself shortly after, and then another couple of kids in town. Fucking rocked my small community. There's almost nothing more tragic than the thought of people living in misery with such a grim outlook. There is always a way out, but people who die by means of suicide think there's no way out. Change that perspective by talking to a friend or loved one. I've talked a few people off the edge myself and it's something life changing. Makes you think hard and deep.

I do NOT want to leave this earth any time soon. Got lots of stress but suicide is never the way out.
Title: Re: Suicide
Post by: Kwon_2 on May 01, 2013, 02:03:37 PM
  Any one ever have thoughts of suicide?

Yes, especially after i lost several loved ones (tried to save her life with CPR but she died in my arms etc) within a short timespan, that year was harsh.

Must've gained 20 % Bodyfat during that period as well since training and dieting definately wasn't a priority.
Title: Re: Suicide
Post by: The Ugly on May 01, 2013, 02:05:14 PM
There is always a way out, but people who die by means of suicide think there's no way out.

Often, they're right.
Title: Re: Suicide
Post by: SmallPole on May 01, 2013, 02:05:50 PM
 Any one ever have thoughts of suicide?

who hasn't, life is a malicious cu nt
Title: Re: Suicide
Post by: Ronnie Rep on May 01, 2013, 02:23:40 PM
I think the thought has crossed most peoples mind it least once or twice!
Title: Re: Suicide
Post by: Marine on May 01, 2013, 02:28:12 PM
NEVER. MY LIFE IS OK.

i have health........two hands - two legs = everything working

suicide is not an option.

eat shit
Title: Re: Suicide
Post by: The Ugly on May 01, 2013, 02:29:54 PM
NEVER. MY LIFE IS OK.

i have health........two hands - two legs = everything working

suicide is not an option.

eat shit


How wonderful for you.
Title: Re: Suicide
Post by: Parker on May 01, 2013, 02:31:11 PM
  Very sad. I have as well. Life is brutal.
I've thought about what it would be like if I were not here. But never doing the deed. When you see stories of women (like the one from the Congo) who were brutally raped, multilated, etc and survive, then go on to get their degree, then Masters, and maybe a Phd, you look and realize that whatever is going on in your life is not as bad as what they went thru. Then one feels shame---shame for ever "thinking" about doing the deed. If those women are strong enough mentally to keep on going, then so should you.
Title: Re: Suicide
Post by: XFACTOR on May 01, 2013, 02:31:19 PM
Suicide is for the weak. Love this life and my world too much.

If you think about that go talk to someone professional not a bodybuilding chat forum.
Title: Re: Suicide
Post by: anabolichalo on May 01, 2013, 02:32:26 PM
Suicide is for the weak. Love this life and my world too much.

If you think about that go talk to someone professional not a bodybuilding chat forum.
it actually takes more strength to kill yourself than to just carry on in misery
Title: Re: Suicide
Post by: The Ugly on May 01, 2013, 02:33:59 PM
it actually takes more strength to kill yourself than to just carry on in misery

This, too.
Title: Re: Suicide
Post by: XFACTOR on May 01, 2013, 02:34:12 PM
it actually takes more strength to kill yourself than to just carry on in misery

Than I guess you guys are a bunch of weak pussies. If you're miserable do something about it. Ultimately you are held accountable for your own decisions. All in your control.
Title: Re: Suicide
Post by: Parker on May 01, 2013, 02:35:32 PM
it actually takes more strength to kill yourself than to just carry on in misery
jumping in front of car, or off of a building doesn't take that much strength. Nor does slicing one's wrists in a bathtub or overdosing on sleeping pills.
Title: Re: Suicide
Post by: El Diablo Blanco on May 01, 2013, 02:35:57 PM
all the time

you need big ballz to do it


a lot of people have such a shit life they'd better off themselves but lack ballz

bullshit.  It takes a weak and feeble mind to off themselves.  It takes strength to fight through the pains of a shitty life to succeed.  You speak like you have a tattoo of BORN LOSER on your back.
Title: Re: Suicide
Post by: Radical Plato on May 01, 2013, 02:36:19 PM
but they obviously were there and he was good at covering them up. slut tipped him over the edge..  :(
Yeah, about the only thing that stands out now on reflection was bouts of being angry, but as a man, I have met a lot of angry men.  So I didn't think much of it.  He was an adopted child who only found out when he was 18, he was pissed off about that and got even angrier when he found out his biological Mum had more children later but kept them.

I think being adopted weighs heavy on someone's mind.  In his early twenties a girlfriend cheated on him and it really tore him up. I remember we used to train together during that time and he was crazy intense.  he was the type of guy that took betrayal very seriously.  Anyway, I thought he was doing OK, of course over the years we drifted a bit, but I had no idea he was so fucked up he would top himself.  Anyway, he was a good dude, it was sad, I never liked his bitch wife anyway and she was such a cun+ at the funeral they didn't even show a photo of him where you could see his face, they showed a photo of him with his motorcycle helmet on.  he did love motorbikes, but I thought it was a cun+s act.
Title: Re: Suicide
Post by: nzmusclemonster on May 01, 2013, 02:37:05 PM
Suicide is painless.
Title: Re: Suicide
Post by: The Ugly on May 01, 2013, 02:37:47 PM
jumping in front of car, or off of a building doesn't take that much strength.

The fuck it doesn't.
Title: Re: Suicide
Post by: XFACTOR on May 01, 2013, 02:38:17 PM
jumping in front of car, or off of a building doesn't take that much strength. Nor does slicing one's wrists in a bathtub or overdosing on sleeping pills.

You want to know what takes strength? Taking these negative thoughts and throwing them in the garbage, then actually doing something about it. Playing the victim is weak. Anybody can create an awesome life for themselves if they are good with some hard work.
Title: Re: Suicide
Post by: _bruce_ on May 01, 2013, 02:38:55 PM
I have thought about it many times.
Though through the years I've come to the conclusion that depression & Co. has much to do with giving in. Being sometimes depressed, anxious or off is a part of life, it gets serious when you're "talented" in these regards and give such mishaps too much room to breath.
Title: Re: Suicide
Post by: el numero uno on May 01, 2013, 02:39:34 PM
Go seek professional help guys, depression is no joke. Most of the times those problems are temporal and the path you choose is not. Whenever I feel bad about something I realize there are people with 10X problems I have, I still feel bad lol but in some way I know I can overcome those problems.
Title: Re: Suicide
Post by: The Ugly on May 01, 2013, 02:39:41 PM
You want to know what takes strength? Taking these negative thoughts and throwing them in the garbage, then actually doing something about it. Playing the victim is weak. Anybody can create an awesome life for themselves if they are good with some hard work.

Tell that to someone with an incurable mental illness.
Title: Re: Suicide
Post by: el numero uno on May 01, 2013, 02:41:43 PM
Tell that to someone with an incurable mental illness.

depression is not an incurable mental illness.
Title: Re: Suicide
Post by: XFACTOR on May 01, 2013, 02:45:03 PM
depression is not an incurable mental illness.

I agree. If you want to treat it the tools are out there. You have to really want to.  Like an alcoholic.
Title: Re: Suicide
Post by: Radical Plato on May 01, 2013, 02:45:52 PM
bullshit.  It takes a weak and feeble mind to off themselves.  It takes strength to fight through the pains of a shitty life to succeed.  You speak like you have a tattoo of BORN LOSER on your back.
I don't agree with that.  My mate who topped himself was a strong minded dude, he single-handedly started and ran a successful business, he was able to achieve quite a bit in his time, he always stuck to his ambitions and rarely gave up.  Even when it came to his weight training he showed inhumane perseverance and determination to reach is goals.  I always admired how strong minded he was.  That's why it was such a shock when he killed himself.  I have an artist brother who is the complete opposite, he is moody, up and down, never achieved much, never sticks to anything has zero will power, and if someone told me he topped himself, I wouldn't be surprised.

I don't think the strength of your mind has anything to do with it.  My mate had already succeeded in his life, plenty of money, good business, a couple of kids, big house already paid off, cars, motorbikes.  I think it was more a case of thinking is this all there is, is this what they mean by success and really not being impressed by it.  So rather than spend the rest of his life with more of the same, he ended it.  

Modern Life just doesn't suit some people, a lot of middle age angst is about feeling duped, that you were somehow promised a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow, just work hard and you will be rewarded, only to discover the reward kinda sucks, and wondering if the hard work was worth it.  Some men never get over that feeling of being deceived. 

People don't kill themselves because they have a mental illness or because they are mentally weak, they do it simply because life for them has become too unpleasant.
Title: Re: Suicide
Post by: Radical Plato on May 01, 2013, 02:48:56 PM
Suicide is painless.
When I was 22, I had an 18 year old girlfriend whose best friend was a gay man, I had only just met him a few times before he jumped from a tall building in the city.  We found out later that when he hit the ground he survived but was smashed to pieces, witnesses said they comforted him in his last moments but he was in agony. 
Title: Re: Suicide
Post by: Parker on May 01, 2013, 02:49:07 PM
You want to know what takes strength? Taking these negative thoughts and throwing them in the garbage, then actually doing something about it. Playing the victim is weak. Anybody can create an awesome life for themselves if they are good with some hard work.
exactly...
The fuck it doesn't.
all it takes is getting drunk and doing the deed...just walk in front a busy street during rush hour...or just jumping off the ledge. For a sane person non drunk person, one is thinking "What the hell I'm gonna do that for?"
Millions of drunk people commit acts daily and nightly, that they otherwise wouldn't do. Hitting retaining walls, cars, buildings. And many times, due to the fact that they are drunk, they didnt get hurt or die, the body is relaxed.

Life is precious, but life is what you make it as well. Think of all those spoiled rich kids  who are just as unhappy as many poor or middle class kids. And then they end it all.
Title: Re: Suicide
Post by: arce1988 on May 01, 2013, 02:51:11 PM
  Thanks for the great posts in this thread.
Title: Re: Suicide
Post by: cephissus on May 01, 2013, 02:51:48 PM
I agree. If you want to treat it the tools are out there. You have to really want to.  Like an alcoholic.

you should be glad you're such a simpleton, it's no doubt helped you out in life more than you'll ever know
Title: Re: Suicide
Post by: XFACTOR on May 01, 2013, 02:55:09 PM
I would LOVE for you to have 24 hours of a bipolar brain, a panic attack brain or a chronic depression brain, and then see if you come back and type the same thing.

In fact, it would crush you within 60 minutes.
You have absolutely no clue. It has nothing to do with external life influences, zero.

I truly believe i can do anything. Gumption is something I take a lot of damn pride in and I've applied that to helping a lot of people around me.

Bi polar is pretty serious, yes. I've seen people try and treat that with drugs like lithium. Not a pretty site
Title: Re: Suicide
Post by: el numero uno on May 01, 2013, 02:57:12 PM
Whoa guys, I used to be the kind of person that gets depressed very easily, it's was just in my brain, the way I was since I was a child. When I was 16-18 depression was really bad, I overcame that shit with my parents' help. I don't have depression anymore, it's been like 8 years since that, it's hard but you can overcome that shit, go seek professional help. To be honest I was against seeing a professional and I never did, but now I think it's better to go to a pro.

Nowdays whenever I feel bad about something which is normal everyone feels sad sometimes, I just realize there are people with 10X problems I have, I still feel bad lol but I come up with ways to overcome those problems.  

Yes, I know it has nothing to do with external life influences, this is very true, it's in your brain, but you don't need to be like that all your life. Right now I love my life, my family, I got an engineering degree, been dating nice girls, I keep good friends by my side and try to enjoy life as much while I'm responsible as an adult should be. I'm still a tad insecure as I always been but I just deal with it lol.

Hope my post can help you guys out there, remember it's in your brain as you admitted and most problems are temporal. If you feel bad all the time go and seek help.
Title: Re: Suicide
Post by: doison on May 01, 2013, 03:01:33 PM
You want to know what takes strength? Taking these negative thoughts and throwing them in the garbage, then actually doing something about it. Playing the victim is weak. Anybody can create an awesome life for themselves if they are good with some hard work.

The people who've created an "awesome life" are often the ones who commit suicide.  It's not a lazy man's issue...if anything, it's the bane of highly successful men.
Title: Re: Suicide
Post by: XFACTOR on May 01, 2013, 03:04:01 PM
you should be glad you're such a simpleton, it's no doubt helped you out in life more than you'll ever know

How about an example than of how I've handled hardships in my life.

Always bothered me that I didn't know my real father that left me hangin has a two year old. Instead of playing a victim I promised myself, my treatment would be to help others in similar scenarios.  So i became a big brother. Then I became active in the united way to help less fortunate,once I started doing a little better for myself. Now I'm active in the rotary club where I can help people locally and globally. My motive for a lot of this was wanting to help people out there that need it, like I did.

If thats a simpleton than I'm ok with that label. Most that know me, and there are a few here that do,would probably laugh at your statement.
Title: Re: Suicide
Post by: doison on May 01, 2013, 03:05:56 PM
I truly believe i can do anything. Gumption is something I take a lot of damn pride in and I've applied that to helping a lot of people around me.

Bi polar is pretty serious, yes. I've seen people try and treat that with drugs like lithium. Not a pretty site

Lots of people who've accomplished nothing of merit have this same belief.  Belief is a very minor part of doing something
Title: Re: Suicide
Post by: el numero uno on May 01, 2013, 03:09:14 PM
How about an example than of how I've handled hardships in my life.

Always bothered me that I didn't know my real father that left me hangin has a two year old. Instead of playing a victim I promised myself, my treatment would be to help others in similar scenarios.  So i became a big brother. Then I became active in the united way to help less fortunate,once I started doing a little better for myself. Now I'm active in the rotary club where I can help people locally and globally. My motive for a lot of this was wanting to help people out there that need it, like I did.

If thats a simpleton than I'm ok with that label. Most that know me, and there are a few here that do,would probably laugh at your statement.

That's pretty cool, keep up the good work.  8)
Title: Re: Suicide
Post by: XFACTOR on May 01, 2013, 03:10:52 PM
I do agree that it takes hard work to cope and live with depression and have a mostly normal life. I thought XFactor meant get a good job and make money and depression will go away. Thats my bad

I have so much stress in my life. I have 60 employees counting on the decisions I make. Want to know what cheers me up though when I'm feeling In over my head? Helping a nine year old that nobody believes in going from failing grades/embarrassed of his life to a b average and walking around holding his head high.
Title: Re: Suicide
Post by: Radical Plato on May 01, 2013, 03:11:53 PM
Some good posts here.  I recently read a book called 'The happiness hypothesis" - very interesting read.  But it essentially concluded there is no guarantees to happiness, because their are external forces beyond our control that can easily take it away, serious illness, job losses, accidents, natural disaster and on and on it goes.  But basically it did recommended creating a space for happiness to enter, much like making a garden, prepare the soil, fertilise the ground, plant the seeds etc and if the sun, wind and rain and other forces align (insects don't destroy crops etc), you may just find yourself with a garden.  The trick is to feel OK either way, if the crop fails, well then try again next season, eventually you will grow your garden, just don't expect it too last forever.  

(https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRB2FnN0gFpY8RxhEPR4hghrqeI1uEX2ly_39V_BI7Zq1huHx8cIw)

That's why I like historical figures like Marcus Aurelius, Roman Emperor from 161 to 180.  He was a stoical philosopher, and happiness wasn't something they necessarily aspired to but was a result of your attitude.  What was most important was developing a resilient and philosophical attitude towards the inevitable ups and downs of life and our eventual demise.  Happiness was linked to the quality of your thoughts, and it was important to watch your mind and guard against thoughts that could have a negative impact.  It wasn't so much what happened to you in life, but how your mind dealt with it.  That's why philosophy was so important to the Romans, it was a buffer against the inevitable shitty parts of life (Roman life was very brutal)

(https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQBjP56FigIeFgmBJfUS_cGoXum-qjeEOuQAgBvvLYsmLj19gFSXg)
Title: Re: Suicide
Post by: The Abdominal Snoman on May 01, 2013, 03:12:52 PM
Telling someone their weak because of mental illness is silly...You wouldn't go around and tell someone they were weak for having cancer or heart disease etc. The brain like any other organ can become fukced. Mental illness is never a black or white issue...
Title: Re: Suicide
Post by: XFACTOR on May 01, 2013, 03:13:56 PM
That's pretty cool, keep up the good work.  8)

I'm telling you guys the feeling of helping someone else will snap you out of depression.

There's someone on this site that knows me very well' that I turned on to this. He's doing some really cool things now too.
Title: Re: Suicide
Post by: XFACTOR on May 01, 2013, 03:15:28 PM
Telling someone their weak because of mental illness is silly...You wouldn't go around and tell someone they were weak for having cancer or heart disease etc. The brain like any other organ can become fukced. Mental illness is never a black or white issue...

Let's be very clear here. I called people that consider suicide weak.  And I stand by that statement. Mental illness is not a weakness.
Title: Re: Suicide
Post by: Radical Plato on May 01, 2013, 03:16:06 PM
Telling someone their weak because of mental illness is silly...You wouldn't go around and tell someone they were weak for having cancer or heart disease etc. The brain like any other organ can become fukced. Mental illness is never a black or white issue...
That type of attitude is old school religious mindset, nobody takes their self righteous moral view of addiction and mental illness seriously any-more.  Thank God humanity grew up and some of us stopped listening to religious nonsense and actually practised Science.
Title: Re: Suicide
Post by: Radical Plato on May 01, 2013, 03:18:13 PM
I'm telling you guys the feeling of helping someone else will snap you out of depression.

There's someone on this site that knows me very well' that I turned on to this. He's doing some really cool things now too.
You are the last person who should be helping anyone.  Your understanding of the issue is less than zero.
Title: Re: Suicide
Post by: The Abdominal Snoman on May 01, 2013, 03:18:34 PM
Let's be very clear here. I called people that consider suicide weak.  And I stand by that statement. Mental illness is not a weakness.

Suicide and mental illness go hand and hand...Mental illness is a disease of the brain...Most people contemplating suicide have something wrong with their brain. You are calling people who consider suicide weak. And that's weak imop.
Title: Re: Suicide
Post by: XFACTOR on May 01, 2013, 03:21:39 PM
You are the last person who should be helping anyone.  Your understanding of the issue is less than zero.

I do more positive things thAt contribute to the better of this world than you will do in your entire life.

And if it takes me telling you that for you to actually do something about it, I did a good thing.
Title: Re: Suicide
Post by: The Abdominal Snoman on May 01, 2013, 03:23:36 PM
There are people out there who are filthy rich and have numerous loved ones in their life and commit suicide and or are contemplating it. There are people who have unless amounts of money and donate their time to help others and still kill themselves or are contemplating it.
Title: Re: Suicide
Post by: XFACTOR on May 01, 2013, 03:24:29 PM
Suicide and mental illness go hand and hand...Mental illness is a disease of the brain...Most people contemplating suicide have something wrong with their brain. You are calling people who consider suicide weak. And that's weak imop.

I highly call some dudes on a bodybuilding chat forum saying ya I have thout about suicide here and there being people that are really suffering from mental illness. It's people who have made poor decisions in their life and are dealing with consequences of those decisions.
Title: Re: Suicide
Post by: XFACTOR on May 01, 2013, 03:25:49 PM
There are people out there who are filthy rich and have numerous loved ones in their life and commit suicide and or are contemplating it. There are people who have unless amounts of money and donate their time to help others and still kill themselves or are contemplating it.

And I've known /loved those people.....
Title: Re: Suicide
Post by: Parker on May 01, 2013, 03:28:08 PM
Some good posts here.  I recently read a book called 'The happiness hypothesis" - very interesting read.  But it essentially concluded there is no guarantees to happiness, because their are external forces beyond our control that can easily take it away, serious illness, job losses, accidents, natural disaster and on and on it goes.  But basically it did recommended creating a space for happiness to enter, much like making a garden, prepare the soil, fertilise the ground, plant the seeds etc and if the sun, wind and rain and other forces align (insects don't destroy crops etc), you may just find yourself with a garden.  The trick is to feel OK either way, if the crop fails, well then try again next season, eventually you will grow your garden, just don't expect it too last forever.  

(https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRB2FnN0gFpY8RxhEPR4hghrqeI1uEX2ly_39V_BI7Zq1huHx8cIw)

That's why I like historical figures like Marcus Aurelius, Roman Emperor from 161 to 180.  He was a stoical philosopher, and happiness wasn't something they necessarily aspired to but was a result of your attitude.  What was most important was developing a resilient and philosophical attitude towards the inevitable ups and downs of life and our eventual demise.  Happiness was linked to the quality of your thoughts, and it was important to watch your mind and guard against thoughts that could have a negative impact.  It wasn't so much what happened to you in life, but how your mind dealt with it.  That's why philosophy was so important to the Romans, it was a buffer against the inevitable shitty parts of life (Roman life was very brutal)

(https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQBjP56FigIeFgmBJfUS_cGoXum-qjeEOuQAgBvvLYsmLj19gFSXg)

Good post.
Title: Re: Suicide
Post by: The Abdominal Snoman on May 01, 2013, 03:28:35 PM
I highly call some dudes on a bodybuilding chat forum saying ya I have thout about suicide here and there being people that are really suffering from mental illness. It's people who have made poor decisions in their life and are dealing with consequences of those decisions.

If I had to bet, i'd say that 20% of all bodybuilders(Getbig etc) have some serious forms of mental illness and are hanging on by a thread in life regardless of their position, wealth etc...This industry is fcked...Mentally ill to the core.lol
Title: Re: Suicide
Post by: Rudee on May 01, 2013, 03:28:41 PM
Telling someone their weak because of mental illness is silly...You wouldn't go around and tell someone they were weak for having cancer or heart disease etc. The brain like any other organ can become fukced. Mental illness is never a black or white issue...

^ this
Title: Re: Suicide
Post by: Radical Plato on May 01, 2013, 03:31:11 PM
Suicide and mental illness go hand and hand...Mental illness is a disease of the brain...Most people contemplating suicide have something wrong with their brain. You are calling people who consider suicide weak. And that's weak imop.
He has no idea what he is talking about, probably some pimple faced teenage narcissist who was raised by some fundamentalist Christians.  This attitude isn't new, it is the belief that if people somehow break any of the religions expectations, like killing themselves, adultery, drug addiction, divorce, masturbation, sex before marriage etc etc is that they suffer from a moral deficiency (mentally weak) and need to get right with God.  It has been a ploy used by the Church since it's inception.  Make someone feel guilty for normal human behaviour and then you can control and manipulate them.   Nobody in Academia takes the religious self righteous thinkers seriously any-more.

The Churches role historically as usual is deeply shameful when you consider their view on Suicide and how they treated the families of those who took their own lives.  The Church used to confiscate the belongings from the deceased's family.  As a matter of fact, the Insanity plea was first used to try and stop these filthy Religious self righteous freaks from stealing the possessions from the dead man's family.  Lawyers would have to argue that only an Insane man would kill himself knowing that his family would be punished and left destitute.  This defence was used to prevent the grubby priests from stealing a dead man's loot.  And people wonder why religion is despised, what type of organisation leaves a family destitute after one of their family members has killed themselves.  The depths of shameful behaviour the Church will lower themselves too is bottomless.

Calling people who consider suicide weak is the equivalent of telling a teenage boy he will grow hair on his palms if he continues to masturbate.  it's religious nonsense designed to induce guilt and repress natural urges or instincts.  You can guarantee those that have never considered suicide are either very young, lived a sheltered life or have repressed it so much they don't even realise they feel that way.  I once met a girl who claimed she had never thought of suicide but would occasionally get some strange thought to drive her car headlong into a tree at high speed.  She obviously didn't want to acknowledge this as suicidal ideation as that was considered wrong, when I pointed out to her, that's exactly what it was she was shocked.

People don't kill themselves because they have a mental illness or because they are mentally weak, they do it simply because life for them has become too unpleasant.
Title: Re: Suicide
Post by: BILL ANVIL on May 01, 2013, 06:22:23 PM
sometimes. would most likely go out with a bang ie blow myself up at a police station or feminist convention to make a point, and be remembered. do it out of anger and not out of self pity.. i never quite understood just sole suicide.
Title: Re: Suicide
Post by: The Ugly on May 01, 2013, 07:44:17 PM
depression is not an incurable mental illness.

In many cases, it is. Psychiatry/Psychology are not perfect sciences. Sometimes it's a lifelong ailment that just gets worse with time.

And depression isn't the only mental illness, you know. There are plenty of horrible afflictions that science just hasn't got a hand on.
Title: Re: Suicide
Post by: sync pulse on May 01, 2013, 10:18:36 PM
 Any one ever have thoughts of suicide?
Earnestly when  I was 5 or 6...It still crosses my mind...
Title: Re: Suicide
Post by: sync pulse on May 01, 2013, 10:56:07 PM
Telling someone their weak because of mental illness is silly...You wouldn't go around and tell someone they were weak for having cancer or heart disease etc. The brain like any other organ can become fukced. Mental illness is never a black or white issue...
It used to be thought in the United States South that disease was somehow the fault of the person who got sick. That you could be more resistant to disease if you really tried.
My dad blamed me for getting frequent respiratory infections. He sneered and exclaimed, "run to the doctor!" He thought that my susceptibility to childhood diseases was my fault...Of course it was never noticed that I had a deviated septum and bad tonsils.
Title: Re: Suicide
Post by: Psychopath on May 01, 2013, 10:59:08 PM
It used to be thought in the United States South that disease was somehow the fault of the person who got sick. That you could be more resistant to disease if you really tried.
My dad blamed me for getting frequent respiratory infections. He sneered and exclaimed, "run to the doctor!" He thought that my susceptibility to childhood diseases was my fault...Of course it was never noticed that I had a deviated septum and bad tonsils.



Your dad is the type of guy that needs a good kick in the balls everytime he said something stupid.
Title: Re: Suicide
Post by: Radical Plato on May 01, 2013, 11:03:16 PM
It used to be thought in the United States South that disease was somehow the fault of the person who got sick. That you could be more resistant to disease if you really tried.
My dad blamed me for getting frequent respiratory infections. He sneered and exclaimed, "run to the doctor!" He thought that my susceptibility to childhood diseases was my fault...Of course it was never noticed that I had a deviated septum and bad tonsils.

Kind of ironic, your childhood sickness is because of the combination of your Mothers and your Fathers shitty genes.  If anything you should be mad at him for having passed on some piss poor genes.
Title: Re: Suicide
Post by: sync pulse on May 01, 2013, 11:08:14 PM

Your dad is the type of guy that needs a good kick in the balls everytime he said something stupid.
I know...but he was Dad.  and a product of his upbringing in a sharecropper society...of his dad abandoning him to be raised by his mother who died in the post WWI flu epidemic and was thusly raised by his sister.  

I think it bothered him that I am not remotely "A Good Ole' Boy"

Even so now that I am an adult I see more and more similarities.
Title: Re: Suicide
Post by: sync pulse on May 01, 2013, 11:11:33 PM
Kind of ironic, your childhood sickness is because of the combination of your Mothers and your Fathers shitty genes.  If anything you should be mad at him for having passed on some piss poor genes.

You are actually doing the same thing he did, but you don't realize it.
Title: Re: Suicide
Post by: Radical Plato on May 01, 2013, 11:18:50 PM
You are actually doing the same thing he did, but you don't realize it.
No I'm not, your father was blaming you for something he is partly responsible for (maybe fully responsible, if the shitty genes were his, either way it's the combination of your mothers and fathers genes that resulted in your childhood sickness).  I was simply blaming the responsible party. Huge difference.  Your Dad was obviously abusive, maybe you just haven't recognised this yet.  It's natural for a child to want to protect their parent.  It can be considered unhealthy though if your parents were abusive.  Blaming a child for being sick is a serious form of abuse, and an attitude that would have seen your childhood medical needs probably sorely neglected.

I just noticed your post about your fathers disappointment at you not being A Good Ole' Boy.  That explains a hell of a lot.  It sounds like you dodged a bullet there.  Congratulations for surviving your childhood.
Title: Re: Suicide
Post by: FitnessFrenzy on May 01, 2013, 11:25:12 PM
humans are AFAIK the only animal, which commits suicide. Why is that?
Have we created a society that makes us want to kill ourselves?
Or is our nature just different from all other animals?

Interesting issue to ponder.
Title: Re: Suicide
Post by: Radical Plato on May 01, 2013, 11:27:42 PM
humans are AFAIK the only animal, which commits suicide. Why is that?
Have we created a society that makes us want to kill ourselves?
Or is our nature just different from all other animals?

Interesting issue to ponder.
Some suggest Dolphins and possibly whales kill themselves.  Ants have also been known to kill themselves to protect their colony as do bees & wasps.  There have even been accounts of a pet starving themselves to death after their master dies.  Pea aphids kill themselves, they are the Muslims of the Insect world, When threatened by a lady bug they can explode themselves, scattering and protecting their brethren and sometimes even killing the lady bug.  There are many more examples of suicide in Nature, but it's a sensitive topic, because the Churches forever have been arguing that it doesn't happen elsewhere in nature, therefore it must be a sin.  Religious Nuts like to deny any evidence of other life forms committing suicide.
Title: Re: Suicide
Post by: BikiniSlut on May 02, 2013, 01:07:47 AM
I have thought about it, but I don't think I'd be strong enough to do it. And not very seriously where I have actually started planning it. They say suicide is for the weak but sometimes it seems like it's for the strong, in my opinion.

I don't think anyone can truly understand how much pain a suicidal person is in. I don't think it's a selfish act at all. Imagine how much pain someone is in to want to end their life. It has to be excruciating.

When I was young I had the attitude "people who commit suicide are weak and selfish".....but I never understood true depression and stress. I think as you get older you understand better.
Title: Re: Suicide
Post by: Papper on May 02, 2013, 02:27:35 AM
It's still a bit selfish - but fully understandable to off yourself. No one can tell you what to do.
And to be selfish is not really wrong, it's part of being human.
If you suffer from depression, you should commit suicide before you have kids though.
The kids both suffer from your death and probably can get your negative thoughts and pain passed on to them. Spare the world your malfunctioned brain, whether it be weakness or illness.
Title: Re: Suicide
Post by: dr.chimps on May 02, 2013, 02:32:20 AM
  Any one ever have thoughts of suicide?
We all have. Part of life. Then you get a lunch invite on a patio. Call me/us shallow.  ;D
Title: Re: Suicide
Post by: Pork_Chop on May 02, 2013, 02:39:58 AM
Those who laugh and point at people with depression, who put on their macho show - are in reality the ones who top themselves.

They're shallow and sub servant, wanting to portray this bullet proof image to impress everyone because they seek approval because their self-esteem is weak at piss.

They are mental oysters.
Title: Re: Suicide
Post by: BigCyp on May 02, 2013, 03:23:34 AM
NEVER. MY LIFE IS OK.

i have health........two hands - two legs = everything working

suicide is not an option.

eat shit


Marine once attempted suicide but his neck slipped straight through the keyring
Title: Re: Suicide
Post by: dr.chimps on May 02, 2013, 03:48:10 AM
The people who committed suicide by jumping out of the burning twin towers on 9/11 were weak cowardly pussies who should have stayed in the building and faced their problems.
*coach-like thinking*
Title: Re: Suicide
Post by: Papper on May 02, 2013, 03:55:09 AM
The people who committed suicide by jumping out of the burning twin towers on 9/11 were weak cowardly pussies who should have stayed in the building and faced their problems.

lol great point

they will be forever doomed by god right?  ::)
Title: Re: Suicide
Post by: Radical Plato on May 02, 2013, 03:58:14 AM
The people who committed suicide by jumping out of the burning twin towers on 9/11 were weak cowardly pussies who should have stayed in the building and faced their problems.
LOL - I wonder if they did it because it gave them a greater sense of control or they thought it was the least painful way to die?
Title: Re: Suicide
Post by: BigCyp on May 02, 2013, 03:59:04 AM
lol great point

they will be forever doomed by god right?  ::)

You could argue that they weren't intentionally taking their lives by choice.

Imagine a guy is running at you with a shotgun and the only 'escape' is off a huge bridge. 100% likely that you're gonna die from jumping, but effectively you are jumping out the way of death, as well as into it.

Most of the twin towers jumps were probably along same line, maybe there were collegues literally burning alive like bacon screaming 20 feet away, and the poor guys knew they needed to jump to avoid that shit.
Title: Re: Suicide
Post by: FitnessFrenzy on May 02, 2013, 04:09:58 AM
Imagine all the future Getbig photoshops you WON'T see if you commit suicide.
Title: Re: Suicide
Post by: TrueGrit on May 02, 2013, 04:11:59 AM
 I think about it for other people, not me.
Title: Re: Suicide
Post by: Papper on May 02, 2013, 04:16:50 AM
You could argue that they weren't intentionally taking their lives by choice.

Imagine a guy is running at you with a shotgun and the only 'escape' is off a huge bridge. 100% likely that you're gonna die from jumping, but effectively you are jumping out the way of death, as well as into it.

Most of the twin towers jumps were probably along same line, maybe there were collegues literally burning alive like bacon screaming 20 feet away, and the poor guys knew they needed to jump to avoid that shit.

Yes I am with you, it's not really suicide per say, it's escaping worse pain. Like many suicides are. I thought it was a insightful comparison.
Title: Re: Suicide
Post by: Papper on May 02, 2013, 04:18:21 AM
In bodybuilding it's considered career suicide to decline a judges invitation to their hotel room.
Title: Re: Suicide
Post by: BikiniSlut on May 02, 2013, 06:59:39 AM
If there was a method of committing suicide that was completely painless, do you think more would attempt?

For example....a simple pill you take and once you fall asleep you die. No pain, no awareness, no chance for "side effects", etc. You just take the pill and that's it.
Title: Re: Suicide
Post by: BigCyp on May 02, 2013, 07:04:10 AM
If there was a method of committing suicide that was completely painless, do you think more would attempt?

For example....a simple pill you take and once you fall asleep you die. No pain, no awareness, no chance for "side effects", etc. You just take the pill and that's it.

There are many painless suicide pills - morphine, heroine etc.

People just don't have enough brainpower to get the dosage right.
Title: Re: Suicide
Post by: Radical Plato on May 02, 2013, 07:15:42 AM
If there was a method of committing suicide that was completely painless, do you think more would attempt?

For example....a simple pill you take and once you fall asleep you die. No pain, no awareness, no chance for "side effects", etc. You just take the pill and that's it.
Their is such a drug called Pentobarbital - In one of the states in Australia (Northern territory) a while back they legalised physician-assisted suicide (Euthanasia) and Pentobarbital was the drug of choice.  The federal Government has since outlawed Euthanasia again as it prefers to see the elderly die long drawn out deaths in intractable pain.  Those who are committed to check out have been known to fly to Mexico where it is freely available to score some Pentobarbital so they can finally end their miserable lives.
Title: Re: Suicide
Post by: BigCyp on May 02, 2013, 08:06:14 AM
Their is such a drug called Pentobarbital - In one of the states in Australia (Northern territory) a while back they legalised physician-assisted suicide (Euthanasia) and Pentobarbital was the drug of choice.  The federal Government has since outlawed Euthanasia again as it prefers to see the elderly die long drawn out deaths in intractable pain.  Those who are committed to check out have been known to fly to Mexico where it is freely available to score some Pentobarbital so they can finally end their miserable lives.

How much do you have in your pocket?
Title: Re: Suicide
Post by: True on May 02, 2013, 08:33:55 AM
Title: Re: Suicide
Post by: _bruce_ on May 02, 2013, 08:57:42 AM
In bodybuilding it's considered career suicide to decline a judges invitation to their hotel room.

Not too many dead men caught walking then...
Title: Re: Suicide
Post by: YngiweRhoads on May 02, 2013, 09:11:31 AM
If there was a method of committing suicide that was completely painless, do you think more would attempt?

For example....a simple pill you take and once you fall asleep you die. No pain, no awareness, no chance for "side effects", etc. You just take the pill and that's it.


Hanging is virtually painless.
Title: Re: Suicide
Post by: dj181 on May 02, 2013, 09:15:15 AM

Hanging is virtually painless.

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Title: Re: Suicide
Post by: WalterWhite on May 02, 2013, 09:33:43 AM
I don't agree with that.  My mate who topped himself was a strong minded dude, he single-handedly started and ran a successful business, he was able to achieve quite a bit in his time, he always stuck to his ambitions and rarely gave up.  Even when it came to his weight training he showed inhumane perseverance and determination to reach is goals.  I always admired how strong minded he was.  That's why it was such a shock when he killed himself.  I have an artist brother who is the complete opposite, he is moody, up and down, never achieved much, never sticks to anything has zero will power, and if someone told me he topped himself, I wouldn't be surprised.

I don't think the strength of your mind has anything to do with it.  My mate had already succeeded in his life, plenty of money, good business, a couple of kids, big house already paid off, cars, motorbikes.  I think it was more a case of thinking is this all there is, is this what they mean by success and really not being impressed by it.  So rather than spend the rest of his life with more of the same, he ended it.  

Modern Life just doesn't suit some people, a lot of middle age angst is about feeling duped, that you were somehow promised a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow, just work hard and you will be rewarded, only to discover the reward kinda sucks, and wondering if the hard work was worth it.  Some men never get over that feeling of being deceived. 

People don't kill themselves because they have a mental illness or because they are mentally weak, they do it simply because life for them has become too unpleasant.


Very insightful.  So many US soldiers are coming home to a mess and want no part of assimilating back into society.  The suicide rate is through the roof and the military thinks throwing drugs at the guys with psychological problems is the answer..not so.  Sometimes there is no easy answer.
Title: Re: Suicide
Post by: The Ugly on May 02, 2013, 09:38:41 AM
You could argue that they weren't intentionally taking their lives by choice.

Imagine a guy is running at you with a shotgun and the only 'escape' is off a huge bridge. 100% likely that you're gonna die from jumping, but effectively you are jumping out the way of death, as well as into it.

Most of the twin towers jumps were probably along same line, maybe there were collegues literally burning alive like bacon screaming 20 feet away, and the poor guys knew they needed to jump to avoid that shit.

I like to believe that many didn't jump at all, but fell unconsciously after being overcome by smoke.
Title: Re: Suicide
Post by: The Abdominal Snoman on May 02, 2013, 09:40:39 AM
In bodybuilding it's considered career suicide to decline a judges invitation to their hotel room.

lolz
Title: Re: Suicide
Post by: FitnessFrenzy on May 02, 2013, 09:54:47 AM
if I go out it will be on an overdose of plazmosis and cell-tech while fucking.
Title: Re: Suicide
Post by: BILL ANVIL on May 02, 2013, 12:25:48 PM
LOL - I wonder if they did it because it gave them a greater sense of control or they thought it was the least painful way to die?

it was polly because they started to realize their shoes were melting and that burning sensation in their pocket was actually their cell phones turning into liquid from the almost molten hot steel all around them, so they jumped!
Title: Re: Suicide
Post by: arce1988 on May 02, 2013, 12:41:16 PM
  NO Panacea
Title: Re: Suicide
Post by: anabolichalo on May 02, 2013, 12:43:48 PM
If there was a method of committing suicide that was completely painless, do you think more would attempt?

For example....a simple pill you take and once you fall asleep you die. No pain, no awareness, no chance for "side effects", etc. You just take the pill and that's it.
cant you just inject a groteque amount of insulin and die smooth and flawless?
Title: Re: Suicide
Post by: BikiniSlut on May 02, 2013, 05:46:49 PM
Marine once attempted suicide but his neck slipped straight through the keyring

Oh my God hahahaha.

BAZINGA!!!

 ;D
Title: Re: Suicide
Post by: Borracho on May 02, 2013, 06:15:47 PM
I don't know why anyone would commit suicide when they can just slowly kill themselves with drugs, alcohol and prostitutes.
Title: Re: Suicide
Post by: dustin on May 02, 2013, 06:18:00 PM
I don't know why anyone would commit suicide when they can just slowly kill themselves with drugs, alcohol and prostitutes.

The noble and classy way out. 8)
Title: Re: Suicide
Post by: Radical Plato on May 02, 2013, 06:18:45 PM
How much do you have in your pocket?
Enough to deal with anyone who crosses me.
Title: Re: Suicide
Post by: Kwon_2 on May 02, 2013, 08:43:12 PM
I promise to commit suicide if BikiniSlut and Arce ever becomes "an item".
Title: Re: Suicide
Post by: BikiniSlut on May 02, 2013, 09:21:52 PM
I promise to commit suicide if BikiniSlut and Arce ever becomes "an item".

So you are challenging me.....eh?
Title: Re: Suicide
Post by: BikiniSlut on May 02, 2013, 09:36:46 PM
I promise to commit suicide if BikiniSlut and Arce ever becomes "an item".

Maybe Arce and I will meet and fall in love.
Title: Re: Suicide
Post by: Radical Plato on May 02, 2013, 09:46:16 PM
Maybe Arce and I will meet and fall in love.
  ::) And maybe one day they will find evidence that prayer actually works.
Title: Re: Suicide
Post by: Kwon_2 on May 02, 2013, 11:07:04 PM
Maybe Arce and I will meet and fall in love.

Better than to hear you whine over Steve all the time.  ;D
Title: Re: Suicide
Post by: arce1988 on May 02, 2013, 11:29:31 PM
  I am down
Title: Re: Suicide
Post by: deadpan on May 02, 2013, 11:36:27 PM
If there was a method of committing suicide that was completely painless, do you think more would attempt?

For example....a simple pill you take and once you fall asleep you die. No pain, no awareness, no chance for "side effects", etc. You just take the pill and that's it.

barbiturates can do that easily, there's like dozens of celebrities that died from it in the 20's, 30's and 40's. really easy to OD especially if you mix em with alcohol and other downers.


but to answer the thread, who hasn't thought of suicide? honestly i think your life is more fucked up if you haven't. those of us that have been there usually end up never doing it, the option of doing it is always there but once you've been at that stage it's like "fuck it, why bother". it's always some upstanding white collar "normal" family man with 3 kids and wife that thinks "oh those people are not sane" and then ends up snapping and killing his family and self when he can't afford the payments on his 3rd mortgage.
Title: Re: Suicide
Post by: BikiniSlut on May 02, 2013, 11:38:47 PM
Better than to hear you whine over Steve all the time.  ;D

I have a hard time dealing with simple minds. You should see the restraint I exercise over his posts. If only you knew how good of a job I am actually doing......
Title: Re: Suicide
Post by: BikiniSlut on May 02, 2013, 11:40:06 PM
 I am down

Is this suicide thread a call out for help? Serious question. Because all fun and games aside you know we'd all be there if it was.
Title: Re: Suicide
Post by: Tapeworm on May 02, 2013, 11:44:27 PM
  I am down

Nothing wrong with that.  Errybody gits da blues.  But you press on through, on your own or with help, since it's a lousy place to stop and set up camp.

I try to examine and make changes.  If I was content all the time I'd never have the opportunity to do that.
Title: Re: Suicide
Post by: Radical Plato on May 02, 2013, 11:51:41 PM
 I am down
The question is how down?  Suicide is another one of those taboo subjects.  I think everyone has the right to take their own life and I definitely favour euthanasia laws, as long as it is not an impulsive decision and achieved after due deliberation.  The State likes to argue they have the right to prevent irrational suicide, but I think that is BS.  The majority of religions frown heavily on suicide, but Hinduism accepts the right to die for those who are tormented by terminal diseases or those that have no desire, ambition or no responsibilities remaining; and allows death through the non-violent practice of fasting to the point of starvation.

I think it is a crime against humanity to criminalise assisted suicide or even suicide.  The right to die is a test for the overall freedom of a given society, which most fail miserably.
Title: Re: Suicide
Post by: Kwon_2 on May 03, 2013, 12:52:32 AM
Is this suicide a call out for help? Serious question. Because all fun and games aside you know we'd all be there if it was.

He says he is down for a relationship with Bikinislut.

You know,It's like saying  

Beekeenee - "Hey Guvnah, how about going to Peachtrees Mall this afternoon?"

Guvnah - "I'm down!" (Means that the Governor wants to follow you to the mall)
Title: Re: Suicide
Post by: jwb on May 03, 2013, 01:01:07 AM
I intend to kill myself once my quality of life drops below a certain dignified level.

Don't see any shame in it.
Title: Re: Suicide
Post by: BILL ANVIL on May 03, 2013, 11:41:27 AM
I intend to kill myself once my quality of life drops below a certain dignified level.

Don't see any shame in it.

lol i like your attitude
Title: Re: Suicide
Post by: Borracho on May 03, 2013, 12:02:03 PM
barbiturates can do that easily, there's like dozens of celebrities that died from it in the 20's, 30's and 40's. really easy to OD especially if you mix em with alcohol and other downers.


Vomiting becomes an issue as it's the body's defense mechanism to rid itself of toxic and harmful substances. But there's a pill for that too....
Title: Re: Suicide
Post by: Kwon_2 on May 03, 2013, 01:01:31 PM
If the opportunity arose, Arce would be down.

The question is, is Bikinislut DOWN with this idea?
Title: Re: Suicide
Post by: XFACTOR on May 03, 2013, 01:19:53 PM
Less talk more doing. Just get on with it, if you're that serious about it, no need to draw attention to it.
Title: Re: Suicide
Post by: deadpan on May 03, 2013, 02:03:37 PM
Vomiting becomes an issue as it's the body's defense mechanism to rid itself of toxic and harmful substances. But there's a pill for that too....

the problem is they all compound each other though so you'd likely never reach that stage. with barbiturates, the line between a recreational and a fatal dose is actually really small. plus it builds up in your body and takes a while to clear so you could OD over the course of a few days rather than in one giant dose. it's really a pretty dangerous drug to abuse for recreational purposes.
Title: Re: Suicide
Post by: cephissus on May 03, 2013, 02:13:58 PM
arce means he is down to meet bikinislut and get her pregnant, jeez and you guys are calling HIM slow :D

edit - whoops beaten to the punch
Title: Re: Suicide
Post by: FitnessFrenzy on May 03, 2013, 02:17:18 PM
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Title: Re: Suicide
Post by: Devon97 on May 03, 2013, 03:12:39 PM
  Any one ever have thoughts of suicide?

Many times
Title: Re: Suicide
Post by: gracie bjj on May 03, 2013, 04:49:30 PM
suicide has crossed my mind many times
Title: Re: Suicide
Post by: arce1988 on August 24, 2013, 12:36:53 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/23/tech/web/martin-manley-suicide-website/index.html?hpt=hp_c2
Title: Re: Suicide
Post by: The Ugly on August 24, 2013, 12:44:12 PM
If there was a method of committing suicide that was completely painless

Gunshot to the temple, probably won't feel a thing.
Title: Re: Suicide
Post by: EL Mariachi on August 24, 2013, 02:02:00 PM
People need to man up and find some willpower in themselves. Its easy to say like i have a disorder and play the victim role. Im labeled with extreme bipolar, im not on any meds, thats my choice. Ive been trough extreme depressions and what not, but i always pick myself up, its possible.
This life is beautiful, even when its tough you can still be content. My advise is to educate yourself in the psyche and enjoy the little things in life. nr 1 is you need to work on your selfesteem.

Things that can help"if you need it:

Music
Richard bandler (very smart and funny jew, invented nlp)
Anthony Robbins ( for the mentally lazy and unmotivated)
Meditation
Ed Bassmaster (for the laughs)


Get up from your sorry ass and stop being a bitch.
Title: Re: Suicide
Post by: B_B_C on August 24, 2013, 02:24:49 PM
all the time

you need big ballz to do it


a lot of people have such a shit life they'd better off themselves but lack ballz

perhaps those who do commit suicide are more afraid of living than dying ?
Title: Re: Suicide
Post by: Borracho on August 24, 2013, 02:26:30 PM
sometimes reading this site makes me wanna do it.
Title: Re: Suicide
Post by: ukjeff on August 24, 2013, 02:29:01 PM
Gunshot to the temple, probably won't feel a thing.
http://www.worldstaruncut.com/uncut/49522
Title: Re: Suicide
Post by: B_B_C on August 24, 2013, 02:29:14 PM
I do more positive things thAt contribute to the better of this world than you will do in your entire life.

And if it takes me telling you that for you to actually do something about it, I did a good thing.

had you considered being more modest and tolerent at any stage of your life ?
Title: Re: Suicide
Post by: Chacka on August 24, 2013, 02:35:34 PM

the "sweet release of death"  :D
Title: Re: Suicide
Post by: HockeyFightFan on August 24, 2013, 02:40:16 PM
I always hope Analbolichio comes down with a severe case of it....
Title: Re: Suicide
Post by: anabolichalo on August 24, 2013, 02:42:21 PM
I always hope Analbolichio comes down with a severe case of it....
KEEP HOPING DANA

IT WILL NOT CHANGE YOUR HORRID APPEARANCE
Title: Re: Suicide
Post by: Gonuclear on August 24, 2013, 07:04:31 PM
People need to man up and find some willpower in themselves. Its easy to say like i have a disorder and play the victim role. Im labeled with extreme bipolar, im not on any meds, thats my choice. Ive been trough extreme depressions and what not, but i always pick myself up, its possible.
This life is beautiful, even when its tough you can still be content. My advise is to educate yourself in the psyche and enjoy the little things in life. nr 1 is you need to work on your selfesteem.

Things that can help"if you need it:

Music
Richard bandler (very smart and funny jew, invented nlp)
Anthony Robbins ( for the mentally lazy and unmotivated)
Meditation
Ed Bassmaster (for the laughs)


Get up from your sorry ass and stop being a bitch.


Glad you have all the answers for yourself, but they won't work for everyone.   Kind of uninformed and presumptuous to advise those in despair that they just need to "man up". 
Title: Re: Suicide
Post by: nzmusclemonster on August 24, 2013, 07:53:42 PM
I like the theatre of toaster in the bath.

That would be my choice of self exit.
Title: Re: Suicide
Post by: nzmusclemonster on August 24, 2013, 07:58:39 PM
Takes big balls to off yourself.

Is that a challenge, cock4life?
Title: Re: Suicide
Post by: nzmusclemonster on August 24, 2013, 08:01:57 PM
Love your the pic of your girlfriend in your avatar.

Moved on because I got tired of your moms anus.

Hope this helps.
Title: Re: Suicide
Post by: delta9mda on August 24, 2013, 10:13:36 PM
if you are thinking suicide you are a weak minded pussy. hth
Title: Re: Suicide
Post by: luvvsuNOT on August 24, 2013, 10:17:50 PM
Than I guess you guys are a bunch of weak pussies. If you're miserable do something about it. Ultimately you are held accountable for your own decisions. All in your control.

What if you had one of those diseases where you body just wastes away? You can't feed yourself and can go to the bathroom without help. You need someone to wipe your own ass. All you do is lay in bed and get wheeled around and have everything done for you. At what point does your dignity mean more than just existing and being a burden to everyone else?
Title: Re: Suicide
Post by: luvvsuNOT on August 24, 2013, 10:18:22 PM
jumping in front of car, or off of a building doesn't take that much strength. Nor does slicing one's wrists in a bathtub or overdosing on sleeping pills.

Really. Try it.
Title: Re: Suicide
Post by: The Ugly on August 24, 2013, 10:28:38 PM
Really. Try it.

Takes more balls than anything you have ever done in your life.
Title: Re: Suicide
Post by: luvvsuNOT on August 24, 2013, 10:29:52 PM
Takes more balls than anything you have ever done in your life.

I see what you did there.
Title: Re: Kyle Turley admits suicidal thoughts
Post by: cswol on August 25, 2013, 08:43:25 AM
Suicide is for weak minded people, had a friend blow his head off in his car about a year ago, just not te way a champion goes out!
Title: Re: Kyle Turley admits suicidal thoughts
Post by: anabolichalo on August 25, 2013, 02:10:06 PM
Suicide is for weak minded people, had a friend blow his head off in his car about a year ago, just not te way a champion goes out!
i dont agree

suicide is for people who have the balls to say "fuck it" when their life sucks

 a lot of people hate their life but no ballz so no suicide
Title: Re: Suicide
Post by: Andy Griffin on August 25, 2013, 03:38:53 PM
Suicide is painless.

it brings on many changes
Title: Re: Kyle Turley admits suicidal thoughts
Post by: XFACTOR on August 25, 2013, 03:39:42 PM
i dont agree

suicide is for people who have the balls to say "fuck it" when their life sucks

 a lot of people hate their life but no ballz so no suicide

Show us how big your balls are
Title: Re: Kyle Turley admits suicidal thoughts
Post by: polychronopolous on August 25, 2013, 08:08:47 PM
Its like Doyle Hargraves says "Ya gotta play through it!"

Just got to find a way past the hard times. I think i just love life too much for such a thing but easy to say now without terrible circumstances .
Title: Re: Kyle Turley admits suicidal thoughts
Post by: HockeyFightFan on August 25, 2013, 08:24:53 PM
Its like Doyle Hargraves says "Ya gotta play through it!"

Just got to find a way past the hard times. I think i just love life too much for such a thing but easy to say now without terrible circumstances .

A lot of wisdom in what Doyle Hargreaves says....
Title: Re: Kyle Turley admits suicidal thoughts
Post by: polychronopolous on August 25, 2013, 08:42:08 PM
A lot of wisdom in what Doyle Hargreaves says....

I find myself quoting him daily for inspiration and wisdom.
Title: Re: Kyle Turley admits suicidal thoughts
Post by: MikMaq on August 25, 2013, 09:02:26 PM
I love the intellectuals believing that people do that shit because of insert random event. Suicide is something that takes years in the making.

I'm not planning it currently but it's something that will always be on my mind. I think your painfully unaware of your own existences if you do not consider the many ways in which your life could end.
Title: Re: Kyle Turley admits suicidal thoughts
Post by: Wiggs on August 25, 2013, 09:12:23 PM
If you have no faith, I can see how suicide can be a good option if life doesn't go your way.  I don't believe it's for weak minded people. I believe in most cases its for people that don't see a way out of their situation and no longer want to endure whatever they're going through.

I've thought about it in the past but never had any intentions on carrrying it out. Now if were at war and there's no more options I'm all about going out in a blaze of glory.
Title: Re: Kyle Turley admits suicidal thoughts
Post by: anabolichalo on August 26, 2013, 08:55:57 AM
Show us how big your balls are
i inject testosterone, so obviously not very
Title: Re: Suicide
Post by: King Shizzo on August 26, 2013, 09:06:24 AM
if you are thinking suicide you are a weak minded pussy. hth
My brother recently went through some issues. He told my mother he didn't want to live like this. Depression is very real. You need to shut the fuck up.
Title: Re: Suicide
Post by: polychronopolous on August 26, 2013, 09:14:50 AM
My brother recently went through some issues. He told my mother he didn't want to live like this. Depression is very real. You need to shut the fuck up.

The loss of his brother in that horrific car wreck was just too much to overcome.
Title: Re: Suicide
Post by: King Shizzo on August 26, 2013, 09:16:51 AM
The loss of his brother in that horrific car wreck was just too much to overcome.
Hahahahahahaha!!!! Fuck you  ;D
Title: Re: Suicide
Post by: polychronopolous on August 26, 2013, 09:28:37 AM
Hahahahahahaha!!!! Fuck you  ;D

 :)
Title: Re: Suicide
Post by: Natural Man on August 26, 2013, 09:30:29 AM
Hahahahahahaha!!!! Fuck you  ;D
Listen dude, we dont want you to die. We just want you to shut the fuck up.
Title: Re: Suicide
Post by: King Shizzo on August 26, 2013, 09:34:16 AM
Listen dude, we dont want you to die. We just want you to shut the fuck up.
Lol!!! I can admit when I am getting beat to a pulp in a thread. Kudos gentleman.
Title: Re: Kyle Turley admits suicidal thoughts
Post by: Jovo on August 27, 2013, 06:03:39 AM
I thought suicidal thoughts and idealizations are pretty normal ?

Doesn't every one think at some point they would rather just be dead then to deal with bullshit of life?

Some times you're happy as hell and other times you wish you where dead, ying and yang

My self, some times i think i wish i was just dead than play at life, but then my mood changes and i feel like going out "there" and fucking as many women as possible, making as much money as i can etc.

I think the thing to do is know what's going on with our emotions and ignore it.

I don't look down upon people who go through with it, it's more a " good for them " thought.
Title: Re: Kyle Turley admits suicidal thoughts
Post by: XFACTOR on August 27, 2013, 06:45:43 AM
I thought suicidal thoughts and idealizations are pretty normal ?

Doesn't every one think at some point they would rather just be dead then to deal with bullshit of life?

Some times you're happy as hell and other times you wish you where dead, ying and yang

My self, some times i think i wish i was just dead than play at life, but then my mood changes and i feel like going out "there" and fucking as many women as possible, making as much money as i can etc.

I think the thing to do is know what's going on with our emotions and ignore it.

I don't look down upon people who go through with it, it's more a " good for them " thought.

Honestly if this is the pinnacle of life for you than it would make sense that you have suicidal thoughts.
Title: Re: Suicide
Post by: Ronnie Rep on August 27, 2013, 07:07:15 AM
My brother recently went through some issues. He told my mother he didn't want to live like this. Depression is very real. You need to shut the fuck up.
Agreed, I have dealt with it with my brother who died almost 2 years ago! Not from suicide but he was bipolar and had addiction problems! People that have not experienced it firsthand can never understand it! That is why it is why the whole Shizzo is is dead thing pissed me off! To top it off he was hit by a car while crossing the street!
Title: Re: Kyle Turley admits suicidal thoughts
Post by: Jovo on August 27, 2013, 09:37:16 AM
Honestly if this is the pinnacle of life for you than it would make sense that you have suicidal thoughts.

is that meant to be an insult ?
Title: Re: Kyle Turley admits suicidal thoughts
Post by: no one on August 27, 2013, 10:15:03 AM
I don't get how one could even contemplate ending their existence here.

life itself, just the very state of 'being' is the ultimate high. the most amazing thing in the universe.

societies and people in general in an attempt to feel amazing all the time fill their lives with artificial highs. not just materialism but validation and acceptance. these only serve to pull you further away from the ultimate high that just existing is. so they need more artificial highs. and get further away. and so on and so on until theyre at the bottom of a self made abyss wondering how the fuck did I get here, seeing no other solution cause after all, what they've been doing hasn't helped when it should have right?

instead of killing yourself look at your life. why you don't see the beauty in just being? then stop the habits that contribute to the prison you've built for yourself.  

it's not that easy you'll say. of course it isn't. you've addicted yourself to artificial highs that don't get you high anymore. your a heroin junkie who no matter how much he shoots up can't get high anymore, meanwhile his life is a shambles from chasing and escaping his whole life.

no wonder you feel this way. you blindly created the mess your in, now it's going to take effort to fix it. but it's always so much easier to just pull the trigger isn't it.

fix the shit in your life. stop chasing highs that leave you empty. live for yourself. love the gift that 'life' is. how many of you have ever been in the middle of nowhere. no distractions. no TV. no phone. no Internet. no cars. no hydro. no people. just you and nature and that's it. you'd soon discover how amazing life, just 'being', is and what a fucking amazing gift it is.

Title: Re: Kyle Turley admits suicidal thoughts
Post by: The Ugly on August 27, 2013, 10:20:18 AM
I don't get how one could even contemplate ending their existence here.

life itself, just the very state of 'being' is the ultimate high. the most amazing thing in the universe.

societies and people in general in an attempt to feel amazing all the time fill their lives with artificial highs. not just materialism but validation and acceptance. these only serve to pull you further away from the ultimate high that just existing is. so they need more artificial highs. and get further away. and so on and so on until theyre at the bottom of a self made abyss wondering how the fuck did I get here, seeing no other solution cause after all, what they've been doing hasn't helped when it should have right?

instead of killing yourself look at your life. why you don't see the beauty in just being? then stop the habits that contribute to the prison you've built for yourself.  

it's not that easy you'll say. of course it isn't. you've addicted yourself to artificial highs that don't get you high anymore. your a heroin junkie who no matter how much he shoots up can't get high anymore, meanwhile his life is a shambles from chasing and escaping his whole life.

no wonder you feel this way. you blindly created the mess your in, now it's going to take effort to fix it. but it's always so much easier to just pull the trigger isn't it.

fix the shit in your life. stop chasing highs that leave you empty. live for yourself. love the gift that 'life' is. how many of you have ever been in the middle of nowhere. no distractions. no TV. no phone. no Internet. no cars. no hydro. no people. just you and nature and that's it. you'd soon discover how amazing life, just 'being', is and what a fucking amazing gift it is.



You obviously don't understand clinical depression. Not the 'Oh, poor me, my girlfriend left' kinda stuff,' but where your brain just stops functioning normally. You can't just talk yourself up, it's physiological. Often, even meds don't work.
Title: Re: Kyle Turley admits suicidal thoughts
Post by: no one on August 27, 2013, 10:25:36 AM
Honestly if this is the pinnacle of life for you than it would make sense that you have suicidal thoughts.

that's his whole problem right there.

everyone's fills their lives with these artificial highs, and when they stop bringing that false happiness they get depressed. no fucking wonder. you've done nothing to better 'you' as a person.

go out and do something for yourself. start by doing something for others with no sense of expecting anything back. volunteer you time energy and purpose to a good cause. start fulfilling yourself with things that matter. not empty bullshit that means nothing.
Title: Re: Kyle Turley admits suicidal thoughts
Post by: no one on August 27, 2013, 10:28:15 AM
You obviously don't understand clinical depression. Not the 'Oh, poor me, my girlfriend left' kinda stuff,' but where your brain just stops functioning normally. You can't just talk yourself up, it's physiological. Often, even meds don't work.

read my post above.

clinically depressed or not, life isn't just about 'you'. it's what you can do for and how you can help others.

am I saying that will 'cure' you? no. but it will impact positively someone's life. isn't that better than just killing yourself? that's where I think so many see it being a selfish act.


Title: Re: Kyle Turley admits suicidal thoughts
Post by: Jovo on August 27, 2013, 10:34:14 AM
it was a figure of speach, i don't really mean that, but i mean in general , you go from being shitty to feeling on top and motivated
Title: Re: Suicide
Post by: HockeyFightFan on August 27, 2013, 10:44:34 AM
Listen dude, we dont want you to die. We just want you to shut the fuck up.

Speak for yourself......

I was absolutely 1000% hoping the car wreck thread was real.
Title: Re: Kyle Turley admits suicidal thoughts
Post by: XFACTOR on August 27, 2013, 11:46:56 AM
is that meant to be an insult ?

I'm not really sure to be honest.

I think if some of you were to travel and interact with different societies and cultures, maybe read a little more, educate yourself more, you would feel better.

Banging chicks and making money is something that should just happen to any confident male with a reasonable head on their shoulders. That shouldn't dictate happiness as it's just a given.
Title: Re: Kyle Turley admits suicidal thoughts
Post by: Primemuscle on September 12, 2013, 05:00:15 PM
Show us how big your balls are

Something you'd really enjoy seeing, huh?