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Anyone venture a guess? Also (please no copy and paste uninterpretible scientific articles) what are real world differences between Test Cyponate and Entanthate?
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All steroids start working immediately pretty much.
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Anyone venture a guess? Also (please no copy and paste uninterpretible scientific articles) what are real world differences between Test Cyponate and Entanthate?
Cyp is somewhat faster acting than Ethanate.
48-72 hours.
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All steroids start working immediately pretty much.
X2
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Anyone venture a guess? Also (please no copy and paste uninterpretible scientific articles) what are real world differences between Test Cyponate and Entanthate?
Think less and inject more. All will be well.
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half lives are almost identical.
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Think less and inject more. All will be well.
what this fella says
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I seem to hold more water on Cyp
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Anyone venture a guess? Also (please no copy and paste uninterpretible scientific articles) what are real world differences between Test Cyponate and Entanthate?
hello anabolichalo
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Thank you gentlemen!
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All steroids start working immediately pretty much.
this
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Immediately to two weeks, but you should inject at least once a week. You can find this information on other forums that talk about that stuff. This forum is for men in thongs and dime piece trannys.
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I asked cuz I heard different esters assimilated different time frames, believe Proprionate was supposed to be a few days and Sustanon being a blend a few days but Cyp and Enanthate are like 2 weeks....
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What's your exact location?
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What's your exact location?
your moms house :D
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your moms house :D
My mom is strong 600 lb deads she will beat the piss out general people.
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I asked cuz I heard different esters assimilated different time frames, believe Proprionate was supposed to be a few days and Sustanon being a blend a few days but Cyp and Enanthate are like 2 weeks....
Yeah, different half life's, but you start metabolizing them all immediately.
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Good " Information"
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Can't remember the half-life of cyp but enanthate
is like 2-5 days, not the often quoted 10.5 days.
Don't know where that came from. According to one
textbook enanthate increases plasma T faster than prop.
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Think less and inject more. All will be well.
quote of the fucking year
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Can't remember the half-life of cyp but enanthate
is like 2-5 days, not the often quoted 10.5 days.
Don't know where that came from. According to one
textbook enanthate increases plasma T faster than prop.
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If this is true , I'm a fool for never realizing this.
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Can't remember the half-life of cyp but enanthate
is like 2-5 days, not the often quoted 10.5 days.
Don't know where that came from. According to one
textbook enanthate increases plasma T faster than prop.
Cypionate is approximately 8 days. Enanthate from the same endocrinology study I read is damn near identical.
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Google roidcalc. It has a reference for enanthate.
In the PDR for Schering's Testoviron it said 2-3 day half-life IIRC.
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Google roidcalc. It has a reference for enanthate.
In the PDR for Schering's Testoviron it said 2-3 day half-life IIRC.
because of the prop in it?
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because of the prop in it?
The prop/enan combo is rare, this was the straight enanthate.
The half-life isn't that exact as it's affected by injection site, carrier, concentration etc.
But I haven't found any reference for the 10.5 day quote.
So I say 2-5 days.
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Remember, there is no such thing as a stupid question ;-)
i have read studies, theres tons of stuff thats much better than the bbuilding broscience out there, tudies by eucated people with all parameters measured etc, its very interesting and yes indeed the often claimed things ins teroid books and online are absolute bullshit when compared to a real study.
there is peak level, accumulations and much more info.its a stupid and vague question by the op in the first place.
but yeah overthinking it all doesnt help, train eat correctly and inject whatvever on prefers or thinks is good and itl be good
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If this is true , I'm a fool for never realizing this.
well then you are not a fool cause that is simply the biggest horseshit I have ever read here on getbig since I started posting here in 04.
I have a very compulsive problem when it comes to getting bloods done, I have done this 100 times and have experimented with everything.
I have done a test e only cycle and have gotten blood work done as late as 2 months after my last injection and my testosterone was still there but coming down and almost out of my system.
Lmao at 2-5 half life, like my test levels would still be above normal after 2 months off of my last shot if this were true.
I have done prop only cycles as well were I have zero test levels after 15 days of my last injection, see the difference.
if anything the half life is way longer then the suppose 10 days not shorter, lol, 2-5 lolollolloll OK there.
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well then you are not a fool cause that is simply the biggest horseshit I have ever read here on getbig since I started posting here in 04.
I have a very compulsive problem when it comes to getting bloods done, I have done this 100 times and have experimented with everything.
I have done a test e only cycle and have gotten blood work done as late as 2 months after my last injection and my testosterone was still there but coming down and almost out of my system.
Lmao at 2-5 half life, like my test levels would still be above normal after 2 months off of my last shot if this were true.
I have done prop only cycles as well were I have zero test levels after 15 days of my last injection, see the difference.
if anything the half life is way longer then the suppose 10 days not shorter, lol, 2-5 lolollolloll OK there.
So Schering has it all wrong? All their research is bullshit? Why have all the studies
on test used once weekly dosing if the half-life is much longer
than 10 days?
HRT docs who recommend shooting at least once weekly are clueless? Why
would you need to administer weekly? Might as well go once
monthly or something. HRT docs have noticed a sharp drop in levels
after 5 days.
There are other explanations for the long, complete clearance. Total dosage over the cycle
for example.
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So Schering has it all wrong? All their research is bullshit? Why have all the studies
on test used once weekly dosing if the half-life is much longer
than 10 days?
HRT docs who recommend shooting at least once weekly are clueless? Why
would you need to administer weekly? Might as well go once
monthly or something. HRT docs have noticed a sharp drop in levels
after 5 days.
There are other explanations for the long, complete clearance. Total dosage over the cycle
for example.
Studies? you are joking right?, I can show you studies that show that steroids do not work, hell, let's believe studies, why not, let's believe Cell Tech builds 5 times more muscle. Studies can show whatever they fucken want and you know it.
Now I have a prescription for HRT as we speak and my Doctor recommends a shot every 2 weeks of test E, so his studies came up with 2 weeks and yet your doctors came up with 1 week, which one is it? so long for trusting in studies.
I don't trust any info but what I observe on myself and that is precisely test levels still elevated after 7 weeks of doing my last shot, that is nearly 2 months, if the half life was 2-5 days that would not be possible whatsoever.
Also you say docs have observed drop in levels after 5 day, bullshit, that is fucken impossible.
I invite anyone on this site to get tested twice, 5 days after administrating 500mg of test e and then again 10 days after and I will give anyone 1000 dollars cash if there levels are lower in test 2 then in test 1, 1000 dollars.
This is total BS, I am right and you are wrong, sorry don't feel like being rude but this is simply the only way I can put it.
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Now I have a prescription for HRT as we speak and my Doctor recommends a shot every 2 weeks of test E, so his studies came up with 2 weeks and yet your doctors came up with 1 week, which one is it? so long for trusting in studies.
I don't trust any info but what I observe on myself and that is precisely test levels still elevated after 7 weeks of doing my last shot, that is nearly 2 months, if the half life was 2-5 days that would not be possible whatsoever.
Also you say docs have observed drop in levels after 5 day, bullshit, that is fucken impossible.
I invite anyone on this site to get tested twice, 5 days after administrating 500mg of test e and then again 10 days after and I will give anyone 1000 dollars cash if there levels are lower in test 2 then in test 1, 1000 dollars.
This is total BS, I am right and you are wrong, sorry don't feel like being rude but this is simply the only way I can put it.
LOL you know the reason for the 2 week interval? Patient convenience, nothing else! You
know what the Schering Testoviron recommended as injection interval?
Six weeks! The same product that stated it had an average half-life of 2-3 days. Most patients
would be hypo by 2 weeks, starting with very HYPER levels
the first few days. Obviously not very ideal. But it has to do with
patients and docs not wanting to inject every week. That's why Nebido has replaced every
other test in much of Europe.
I'll write more when I'm at my puter, hate typing on my phone.
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LOL you know the reason for the 2 week interval? Patient convenience, nothing else! You
know what the Schering Testoviron recommended as injection interval?
Six weeks! The same product that stated it had an average half-life of 2-3 days. Most patients
would be hypo by 2 weeks, starting with very HYPER levels
the first few days. Obviously not very ideal. But it has to do with
patients and docs not wanting to inject every week. That's why Nebido has replaced every
other test in much of Europe.
I'll write more when I'm at my puter, hate typing on my phone.
and so,,.... what is your point?^^^^
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Are the test studies based on people taking 250-500mgs a fortnight as opposed to someone taking 5 grams a week?
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and so,,.... what is your point?^^^^
The point is that your doctor does not have any studies showing 2 weeks to be an ideal injection
frequency to have stable levels. It's a compromise, due to patient compliance. It's a pain in the ass
for many to inject IM very often. Also, some docs want the patient to come in for their shots and don't like patients self administering. Same with the 6 week interval for a single 250mg Testoviron for HRT. The docs knew, and the data showed, that the patient will be hypogonadal half the time, with too high levels the first few days, but they probably figured it will be good enough as 250mg is about what a person produces in 6 weeks. Now there's Nebido which is shot like every couple of months - that most patients can deal with.
It's also strange that you diss science on pharmacokinetics when you yourself argue based on your own bloodwork! What if I said fuck the bloodwork, I know your test isn't as high as your tests showed. LOL that would be stupid. Either you believe in science (in this case analysis of your blood using some scientific methodology) or you don't.
Are the test studies based on people taking 250-500mgs a fortnight as opposed to someone taking 5 grams a week?
The highest studied dose of enanthate is 600mg as far as I know so that's a good point. I remember Disgusted saying his friend still had very elevated test like 6 months after stopping his injections! I think it was one of those guys who did 500mg of test per day. This does not mean test has a half-life of several months, there must be another explanation. Maybe some of the test crystallized and was trapped in scar tissue or whatever and seeped out at a much slower rate. I don't know.
Read it and weep :D
http://books.google.se/books?id=mEgckDNkonUC&pg=PA442&lpg=PA442&dq=testosterone+enanthate+pharmacokinetics&source=bl&ots=1D5HaUukRd&sig=-C9DL3CYbieGSClCg6zSWtz2FFQ&hl=sv&sa=X&ei=cDSaUenWNaTn4QTdsYC4AQ&ved=0CE8Q6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=testosterone%20enanthate%20pharmacokinetics&f=false
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The water retention is brutal at times with Cyp. Amazing how I look in the mirror and at times look like Michelin man. A few pisses later and a little sweat from mowing the lawn and I look ready for an IFBB show.
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The water retention is brutal at times with Cyp. Amazing how I look in the mirror and at times look like Michelin man. A few pisses later and a little sweat from mowing the lawn and I look ready for an IFBB show.
The two bolded sections equate to the same thing.
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The two bolded sections equate to the same thing.
HAHA, I was thinking that after I typed it.
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This is a great thread and discussion, but I still don't know that the hell to believe now regarding Test E... :-\
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This is a great thread and discussion, but I still don't know that the hell to believe now regarding Test E... :-\
there will never be a scientific study that is done at high bodybuilder dosages
the ones quoted arent relevant because high dosage changes all the parameters
thats why it is all bro science
the other thing is everyone is different and reacts to test in their own unique way
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there will never be a scientific study that is done at high bodybuilder dosages
the ones quoted arent relevant because high dosage changes all the parameters
thats why it is all bro science
the other thing is everyone is different and reacts to test in their own unique way
I know a pretty well known prep coach in the states, and his philosophy is "test is test is test. Inject every other day no matter what." Obviously during contest prep he only recommends Prop or TNE but his idea is valid I think.
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I know a pretty well known prep coach in the states, and his philosophy is "test is test is test. Inject every other day no matter what." Obviously during contest prep he only recommends Prop or TNE but his idea is valid I think.
ive always felt better on prop than long esters
and had less sides
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I know a pretty well known prep coach in the states, and his philosophy is "test is test is test. Inject every other day no matter what."
Did he also say "And I happen to have some available for sale"?
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Did he also say "And I happen to have some available for sale"?
Not sure what things are like in your land Jeffrey, but in America, an NPC level prep coach is an upstanding occupation, akin to being a fireman or a milk truck delivery driver.
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Not sure what things are like in your land Jeffrey, but in America, an NPC level prep coach is an upstanding occupation, akin to being a fireman or a milk truck delivery driver.
Telling people to take illegal drugs is hardly an upstanding occupation.
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Telling people to take illegal drugs is hardly an upstanding occupation.
Oh really it's not ???
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Not sure what things are like in your land Jeffrey, but in America, an NPC level prep coach is an upstanding occupation, akin to being a fireman or a milk truck delivery driver.
DEPEND'S WHAT'S IN THE MILK,,
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RTFM
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i dont know how anyone can debate van b on matters like this. its inconceivable to me.
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i dont know how anyone can debate van b on matters like this. its inconceivable to me.
Because he is 100% dead wrong, that's why. How anyone can think the half life of test E is 2-5 days is inconceivable. Blood work does not lie brother.
This is a complete joke, the half life of test prop is 2-4 days and this guy is going to tell me that test E has the same half life of Test Prop, come on, this is fucken retarded to even think that, not even a reasonable argument, just straight up outrageous.
You can not have elevated test levels after 7 weeks of your last injection if the half life of the test is 2-5 days, this would be a scientific impossibility.
My test prop results on bloods show that my test is gone after 15 days and that is on par with a half life of 2-5 days and 7 weeks is on par with a half life of 10-14, BLOOD WORK DOES NOT LIE, IT ALWAYS TELLS THE TRUTH.
Test e and test p have the same half life according to Van B, lmao, bro get the fuck off the pipe ;)
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OTH was probably injecting enough to kill a horse, then after he stopped there were depot of hormones locked in scar tissue slowly releasing its contents.
This is very common actually, more so with even longer esters like deca.
...But to anser the op, peak plasma levels are reached 24-48hrs after injection, then they maintain for a while before starting to drop off.
Personally, i don't use long esters any more. Much prefer ED or EOD shots knowing i can decrease the dose, or completely come off any time i want.
I also find sides are little to non existent using short esters.
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OTH was probably injecting enough to kill a horse, then after he stopped there were depot of hormones locked in scar tissue slowly releasing its contents.
This is very common actually, more so with even longer esters like deca.
...But to anser the op, peak plasma levels are reached 24-48hrs after injection, then they maintain for a while before starting to drop off.
Personally, i don't use long esters any more. Much prefer ED or EOD shots knowing i can decrease the dose, or completely come off any time i want.
I also find sides are little to non existent using short esters.
I was using the same amount with test p as i was with test e on numerous occasions and in multiple blood work It always resulted in the prop was out quick and test was out slow, so why does the prop never clump together and stay in between scar tissue. In fact it would be more possible for the prop to do what you said since I am doing twice as many cc, so clearly that's is not the issue here.
Everyone in this thread knows what I am saying bro, including you and including no one, you guys all know that the half life of test e is way longer then that of prop, why you guys are not saying anything is beyond me but it is common sence to anyone who has used prop and test e that test e has a way longer half life, van b is suggesting they both are same, this is the funniest thing I have ever heard on getbig
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I was using the same amount with test p as i was with test e on numerous occasions and in multiple blood work It always resulted in the prop was out quick and test was out slow, so why does the prop never clump together and stay in between scar tissue. In fact it would be more possible for the prop to do what you said since I am doing twice as many cc, so clearly that's is not the issue here.
Everyone in this thread knows what I am saying bro, including you and including no one, you guys all know that the half life of test e is way longer then that of prop, why you guys are not saying anything is beyond me but it is common sence to anyone who has used prop and test e that test e has a way longer half life, van b is suggesting they both are same, this is the funniest thing I have ever heard on getbig
Well, half life is estimated based on the average speed a human body can metabolize the ester chain.
Not everyone is the same.
With long esters it's less predictable, especially if you're injecting huge amounts, you have to factor in hormone accumulation and scar tissue.
But yeah, i wouldn't count on a Test e/c injection to completely leave the body in 2-3wks. 1.5-2 months is more like it. Although, a huge amount of the drug would have been metabolized and released within 2-3wks for sure.
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Well, half life is estimated based on the average speed a human body can metabolize the ester chain.
Not everyone is the same.
With long esters it's less predictable, especially if you're injecting huge amounts, you have to factor in hormone accumulation and scar tissue.
But yeah, i wouldn't count on a Test e/c injection to completely leave the body in 2-3wks. 1.5-2 months is more like it. Although, a huge amount of the drug would have been metabolized and released within 2-3wks for sure.
100% agree ^^^^
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Test e and test p have the same half life according to Van B, lmao, bro get the fuck off the pipe ;)
This is news to me. I never said that. Look at the pic I posted, then read the whole T Prop section at the link I gave. It's not the same - read at the link. Doesn't change the fact that T Enanthate has an accepted half-life of less than 5 days.
Test Enanthate is the most used TRT product ever, on the market since 1952. How it behaves at TRT dosages is well established to say the least. There is no argument here really. That HRT docs
have noticed drop after 5 days is not ridicuolus as you say. Even on the forums there's tons and tons of guys on HRT who have done bloodwork and it all agrees with the data I gave links to = dosing every two weeks is always inferior to once weekly because the test is gone at 2 weeks (at HRT dosages). From too high to too low is no way to do TRT. Guys are even switching to subcutaneous shots of enan/cyp to reduced the fluctuations.
If you've been hammering grams weekly for months then of course some lingers around longer after you stop.
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OTH, these blood-work tests you have , why do they show artificial test?
Are they spectrum drug tests?
I thought blood-work was meant to establish if your organs were working normally rather than testing for steroids in the system?
Could you scan and post one of the test sheets (personal details omitted of course)to show what they actually show, I have never had my bloods done at all, not even when I was competing.
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OTH, these blood-work tests you have , why do they show artificial test?
Are they spectrum drug tests?
I thought blood-work was meant to establish if your organs were working normally rather than testing for steroids in the system?
Could you scan and post one of the test sheets (personal details omitted of course)to show what they actually show, I have never had my bloods done at all, not even when I was competing.
Bro this is what i am talking about, you want to squash beef then you act like you were born yesterday playing dumb or something.
Everyone gets blood work done, everyone, you seriously never have seen a sheet in your life? WTF? I am going to take bloods this week in fact, I always do and I usually max out what the charts read. 5000ng/dl is the max a chart shows and I max it out everytime, takes at least a gram of test a week for 2 months to show these numbers.
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OTH, these blood-work tests you have , why do they show artificial test?
Are they spectrum drug tests?
I thought blood-work was meant to establish if your organs were working normally rather than testing for steroids in the system?
Could you scan and post one of the test sheets (personal details omitted of course)to show what they actually show, I have never had my bloods done at all, not even when I was competing.
I think what OneTimeHard is talking about goes a bit further than the typical CBC w/Diff, CMP, Thyroid panels etc. He is probably asking his primary care doctor to order Free Testosterone levels in order to assess what his total testosterone value is.
I doubt his doctor is checking him for particular steroids, as those tests are terribly expensive.
I could be wrong though..
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In Ontario, you have to pay extra for a hormone panel, so this option is available.
Other than that, a regular bloodwork check up is easily covered every 4-6months. They consider it to be part of your regular check-up (testicular fondling included).
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I doubt his doctor is checking him for particular steroids, as those tests are terribly expensive.
Thats what I thought, but I think he mentioned test-e specifically showing up, I might be wrong though.
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Thats what I thought, but I think he mentioned test-e specifically showing up, I might be wrong though.
It's $50 for a testosterone test.
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is that a test for your natural levels or a test for artificial testosterones?
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In Ontario, you have to pay extra for a hormone panel, so this option is available.
Other than that, a regular bloodwork check up is easily covered every 4-6months. They consider it to be part of your regular check-up (testicular fondling included).
I always demand that from my doctor in order to check for cysts or lumps that could possibly surround my testicles.
I also always demand a prostate check-up, both PSA markers and, most importantly, the trusty finger test. I typically enjoy showing up with both my anus and rectum properly lubricated as to save my doctor the trouble of having to waste his surgical lube.
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I typically enjoy showing up with both my anus and rectum properly lubricated as to save my doctor the trouble of having to waste his surgical lube.
Butt plug?
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Butt plug?
Of course not.. Don't be silly...
It just makes it easier for my doctor to perform the digital rectal exam, which allows for proper evaluation of my prostate.
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;D
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is that a test for your natural levels or a test for artificial testosterones?
There's no such thing.
Endogenous or exogenous testosterone is the same thing.
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There's no such thing.
really?
Im pretty sure Olympic testing can differentiate between natural and artificial test.
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I think what OneTimeHard is talking about goes a bit further than the typical CBC w/Diff, CMP, Thyroid panels etc. He is probably asking his primary care doctor to order Free Testosterone levels in order to assess what his total testosterone value is.
I doubt his doctor is checking him for particular steroids, as those tests are terribly expensive.
I could be wrong though..
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I test for everything since I am covered, only have to pay 200 dollars.
I get the results on the following:
sodium
potassium
chloride
carbon dioxide
calcium
protein
albumin
globulin
alkaline
lipids
cholesterol
triglycerides
Thyroid
thyroxine
t3 uptake
testosterone, serum
This is taking 3 vials of blood and everything in my body is detected and I have done this a million times, I am very thorough and have to know what changes are taking place as I like to take a lot gear and need to keep on top of things.
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2-5 day half-life?
I think you're confusing the peak.
from what I recall, Enan has a 2-3 day PEAK and a 12-14day half life/duration.
either way... shoot it m-w-f with tren and masteron :)
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I test for everything since I am covered, only have to pay 200 dollars.
I get the results on the following:
sodium
potassium
chloride
carbon dioxide
calcium
protein
albumin
globulin
alkaline
lipids
cholesterol
triglycerides
Thyroid
thyroxine
t3 uptake
testosterone, serum
This is taking 3 vials of blood and everything in my body is detected and I have done this a million times, I am very thorough and have to know what changes are taking place as I like to take a lot gear and need to keep on top of things.
Thanks for that but does it detect artificial steroids?
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Thats what I thought, but I think he mentioned test-e specifically showing up, I might be wrong though.
what? test e showing up on a test, lmao ah no, I never said that, how the fuck would a blood test know that, lol, ok clearly you have never got one done, lol. :D
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I have done a test e only cycle and have gotten blood work done as late as 2 months after my last injection and my testosterone was still there but coming down and almost out of my system.
What does that mean then?
Did that test show up the artificial test levels or your natural test levels?
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really?
Im pretty sure Olympic testing can differentiate between natural and artificial test.
wow, you really have no clue do you, ok that proves your question was actually legit, lol, and I thought you were jyst fucking with me, lol..
The test don`t care where the testosterone is coming from, the particular test I get tests the serum levels at ng per dl and if it is higher then 1000 then you are determined not to be natural.
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I test for everything since I am covered, only have to pay 200 dollars.
I get the results on the following:
sodium
potassium
chloride
carbon dioxide
calcium
protein
albumin
globulin
alkaline
lipids
cholesterol
triglycerides
Thyroid
thyroxine
t3 uptake
testosterone, serum
This is taking 3 vials of blood and everything in my body is detected and I have done this a million times, I am very thorough and have to know what changes are taking place as I like to take a lot gear and need to keep on top of things.
You are missing something called a Complete Blood Count (CBC), which checks for Red Blood Cell count, White blood cell count w/differential, Hematocrit, Hemoglobin, as well as platelets. That test provides a better overall picture than just a complete metabolic panel, TSH, lipid and free testosterone panel, which is what you are getting in order to get the values you indicated.
Also, see about your doctor running an ESR (erythrocyte sedimentation rate) value every now and then. It's a nonspecific systemic inflammatory marker and can be useful when cancer starts to develop systemically. Short of actual tumor markers and biopsies, the ESR can be useful for folks with predisposition to cancer.
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wow, you really have no clue do you, ok that proves your question was actually legit, lol, and I thought you were jyst fucking with me, lol..
Correct, I dont have a clue, I never felt the need to take that much notice.
I was just trying to learn something, but if your idea of teaching someone is belittling them then fine.
Your misleading post is why i asked the question in the first place.
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Because he is 100% dead wrong, that's why. How anyone can think the half life of test E is 2-5 days is inconceivable. Blood work does not lie brother.
This is a complete joke, the half life of test prop is 2-4 days and this guy is going to tell me that test E has the same half life of Test Prop, come on, this is fucken retarded to even think that, not even a reasonable argument, just straight up outrageous.
You can not have elevated test levels after 7 weeks of your last injection if the half life of the test is 2-5 days, this would be a scientific impossibility.
My test prop results on bloods show that my test is gone after 15 days and that is on par with a half life of 2-5 days and 7 weeks is on par with a half life of 10-14, BLOOD WORK DOES NOT LIE, IT ALWAYS TELLS THE TRUTH.
Test e and test p have the same half life according to Van B, lmao, bro get the fuck off the pipe ;)
bro no offense but your a really negative dude. you need to leave the boards for a while cause your just angry.
as for van b if you had 1/4 of his knowledge in this area you'd be pretty well off.
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What does that mean then?
Did that test show up the artificial test levels or your natural test levels?
it shows test levels, there are no 2 different levels for natural or not, my test come in at 5000 ng per dl during my injection time and 7 weeks later it read nearly 2000 ng per dl which is still triple the natural testosterone that your own body produces.
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bro no offense but your a really negative dude. you need to leave the boards for a while cause your just angry.
as for van b if you had 1/4 of his knowledge in this area you'd be pretty well off.
I am not negative at all bro, this is my style, like it or hate it, but how else should I get across to him that what he is stating here is BS, I am not angry and you claiming I am does not make it so ;)
You are somewhat negative yourself stud ;) if I recall correctly from your past you are the one who every 2 seconds calls everyone insecure, but in all fairness why get off topic to tell me something about my personality, no one gives a shit, stay on point brother.
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I have done a test e only cycle and have gotten blood work done as late as 2 months after my last injection and my testosterone was still there but coming down and almost out of my system.
As people were discussing the length of time test e was in the body your post indicated the test you had showed levels of test in your body, you used the words "coming down and almost out of my system"
Why did you use the words "out of my system" if you were referring to natural test levels?
From that sentence it appears that you were saying the test-e was still in your system 2 months after your last shot.
Thats why I was confused.
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You are missing something called a Complete Blood Count (CBC), which checks for Red Blood Cell count, White blood cell count w/differential, Hematocrit, Hemoglobin, as well as platelets. That test provides a better overall picture than just a complete metabolic panel, TSH, lipid and free testosterone panel, which is what you are getting in order to get the values you indicated.
Also, see about your doctor running an ESR (erythrocyte sedimentation rate) value every now and then. It's a nonspecific systemic inflammatory marker and can be useful when cancer starts to develop systemically. Short of actual tumor markers and biopsies, the ESR can be useful for folks with predisposition to cancer.
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No, it`s on there, I just listed the one sheet because that was the one that showed the results for testosterone, I have 4 sheets and my complete blood count is on my last sheet.
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As people were discussing the length of time test e was in the body your post indicated the test you had showed levels of test in your body, you used the words "coming down and almost out of my system"
Why did you use the words "out of my system" if you were referring to natural test levels?
From that sentence it appears that you were saying the test-e was still in your system 2 months after your last shot.
Thats why I was confused.
??? ??? I have no clue what you are trying to ask but I will explain to you when I am injecting my test results showed 5000 and after my last injection it still showed nearly 2000, hence the test had declined by over 3000 and was on its way out the door, I suspect had I done another test within 2 weeks of the second one it would have been completely gone. Sorry for belittling you I thought you were fucken with me like you usually do ;)
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Right its becoming clearer, I think,
So the test you take only shows your testosterone levels either high or low, it doesn't distinguish what type of test be it natural or artificially injected?
I think the poster who wrote that there is NO test that can distinguish the difference in types of testosterone in your body threw me, if that were the case the Olympic committee wouldn't test for specific drugs would they?
They would just test for higher than normal levels.
Maybe Im wrong again.
As for the fucking with you, thats in the past. (we can still oil each other up if you like) (no homo)
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bro no offense but your a really negative dude.
Where's no one and what have you done with him?
;D
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Right its becoming clearer, I think,
So the test you take only shows your testosterone levels either high or low, it doesn't distinguish what type of test be it natural or artificially injected?
I think the poster who wrote that there is NO test that can distinguish the difference in types of testosterone in your body, if that were the case the Olympic committee wouldn't test for specific drugs would they?
They would just test for higher than normal levels.
Maybe Im wrong again.
As for the fucking with you, thats in the past. (we can still oil each other up if you like) (no homo)
bingo
as for there being a test that distinguishes natural test from artificial, I actually do not know to be honest but the test I take does not distinguish the 2
and hell no, I aint oiling you up bro. ;D
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Where's no one and what have you done with him?
;D
I know, he is one to talk about being negative, no one used to rip shit up around here, either way still a good dude.
Bro your avatar is cool, that is from the original dragon ball, when goku was just a boy.
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This is news to me. I never said that. Look at the pic I posted, then read the whole T Prop section at the link I gave. It's not the same - read at the link. Doesn't change the fact that T Enanthate has an accepted half-life of less than 5 days.
Test Enanthate is the most used TRT product ever, on the market since 1952. How it behaves at TRT dosages is well established to say the least. There is no argument here really. That HRT docs
have noticed drop after 5 days is not ridicuolus as you say. Even on the forums there's tons and tons of guys on HRT who have done bloodwork and it all agrees with the data I gave links to = dosing every two weeks is always inferior to once weekly because the test is gone at 2 weeks (at HRT dosages). From too high to too low is no way to do TRT. Guys are even switching to subcutaneous shots of enan/cyp to reduced the fluctuations.
If you've been hammering grams weekly for months then of course some lingers around longer after you stop.
In all fairness, my bad you did not say that, I overlooked when you said this;
According to one
textbook enanthate increases plasma T faster than prop.
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bingo
as for there being a test that distinguishes natural test from artificial, I actually do not know to be honest but the test I take does not distinguish the 2
and hell no, I aint oiling you up bro. ;D
LAST LINE :o.....
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I am not negative at all bro, this is my style, like it or hate it, but how else should I get across to him that what he is stating here is BS, I am not angry and you claiming I am does not make it so ;)
You are somewhat negative yourself stud ;) if I recall correctly from your past you are the one who every 2 seconds calls everyone insecure, but in all fairness why get off topic to tell me something about my personality, no one gives a shit, stay on point brother.
yes bro! get angry!!! hahahahahahahahaha
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I know, he is one to talk about being negative, no one used to rip shit up around here, either way still a good dude.
Bro your avatar is cool, that is from the original dragon ball, when goku was just a boy.
Them saiyans had epic cheat meals remember? ;D
I remember little goku couldn't tell the difference between a male or female and was feeling up bulma while she slept...lol. He got freaked out screaming that her balls were gone and she freaked out thinking he meant the dragon balls ;D
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Where's no one and what have you done with him?
;D
the differnce between me and onetime is that i troll people under the guise of anger. hes just angry. lol but i still love him no homo.
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the differnce between me and onetime is that i troll people under the guise of anger. hes just angry. lol
You clearly have been absent from here for a long time bro, everyone know I bark as loud as I can on here, i do this day in day out and I am the happiest guy in the world, i am never mad on here bro, this the front I pull.
Whats up, only you can do this, lol, not, you been back for 2 hours and already judging everyone left right and center, you need to settle down there boy ;) grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr :) :D I am sooooooooo angry >:( lmao
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Them saiyans had epic cheat meals remember? ;D
I remember little goku couldn't tell the difference between a male or female and was feeling up bulma while she slept...lol. He got freaked out screaming that her balls were gone and she freaked out thinking he meant the dragon balls ;D
hahah I remember that he use to touch females privates to see if they had balls.
Bro their cheat meals were epic, plates stacked to the ceiling, lol.
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hahah I remember that he use to touch females privates to see if they had balls.
Bro their cheat meals were epic, plates stacked to the ceiling, lol.
Ah, yes Scooby Doo was great wasn't it?
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Ah, yes Scooby Doo was great wasn't it?
yes scooby was the bomb too but we are talking about dragonball, have you watched it or heard of it?
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the differnce between me and onetime is that i troll people under the guise of anger. hes just angry. lol but i still love him no homo.
You clearly have been absent from here for a long time bro, everyone know I bark as loud as I can on here, i do this day in day out and I am the happiest guy in the world, i am never mad on here bro, this the front I pull.
Whats up, only you can do this, lol, not, you been back for 2 hours and already judging everyone left right and center, you need to settle down there boy ;) grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr :) :D I am sooooooooo angry >:( lmao
Plenty retards out here that need to be put in their place. Southern Ontario bros need to get along....start a gang perhaps. lol
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but we are talking about dragonball, have you watched it or heard of it?
have you forgotten Im nearly 48, I think Dragonball was after my childhood.
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Plenty retards out here that need to be put in their place. Southern Ontario bros need to get along....start a gang perhaps. lol
Ya I forgot no one is from my neck of the woods. Thanks for reminding me, are you going to the Toronto pro show or the Ontarios no one?
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have you forgotten Im nearly 48, I think Dragonball was after my childhood.
Ya but dragonball was 80s (ya still after your time I guess) and dragonball z 90s but they probably are not big in the UK
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all kinds of angry in this here thread.
All I have to add is that from a year+ of monthly monitoring of my free/total/etc levels I've learned that 0.15mg injected sub-Q every morning gives me almost totally consistent test levels of 1500 and free test of 400. This is with very low SHBG, which contrary to broscience is not actually a great thing to have.
which is nice.
in reality the bioavailability and actual half life of the injectable depend on so so so much more than the ester , its almost a mind-fck when you realize how many moving parts are involved in getting that test from the injection site and into your muscles. Low SHBG? Good luck with your bi-weekly injections, not much of that 600mg of test E you just injected will be bioavailable after 5-8 hours without SHBG to bind and transport it (also why many people respond much better to other drugs than crappy old vanilla test)
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vanilla test? First time hearing this term.
I think i like it. ;D
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the tests here only show testosterone in blood, and yeah they cost bit extra too here.
they dont show whether its exogenous or the bodys.
the olympic athletes(not bbuilding)test is soemthing else ,that one shows where its coming from, or rather, assumes by some 6 to 1 ratio rule i think
Actually there is a way of telling if your test levels are from an artificial source or natural.
If they test your LH they can tell. See the LH shuts down as well when you inject test so if your test reads a certain level and your LH is shut down then they would know it is from an outside source and if your test levels are stable and your LH is normal then the test is natural. So Olympic testing would not need to apply anything other then checking your LH, simple as that.
LH stands for luteinizing hormone
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they test some epi testosterone levels to establish if its from outside.
olimpics, that is.
Ya, come to think of it, there are a number of ways.
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they test some epi testosterone levels to establish if its from outside.
olimpics, that is.
If an athlete fails the 4:1 test:epitest ratio an "isotope" test
is applied to see if the test is synthetic. Problem is that it's not
applied unless an athlete fails the first test so a number of dopers
skate by. Conte and others have pointed this out as a loophole
that should closed.
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If an athlete fails the 4:1 test:epitest ratio an "isotope" test
is applied to see if the test is synthetic. Problem is that it's not
applied unless an athlete fails the first test so a number of dopers
skate by. Conte and others have pointed this out as a loophole
that should closed.
interesting, how do they determine the fail in the first test? do they go by a set limit and anyone over is classified as fail?
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interesting, how do they determine the fail in the first test? do they go by a set limit and anyone over is classified as fail?
A ratio of over 6:1 used to be a fail. They lowered the limit to 4:1. Don't know
if that by itself is a fail nowadays but the isotope test will tell if the test is synthetic.
Still leaves a bit of room to play as the normal ratio is 1:1. Guys were even adding
synthetic epitest to improve the ratio. I think they look at the messenger hormones
too which you mentioned (lh) if something looks suspicious. Doping with steroids successfully
isn't as easy as some think nowadays - if they really look closely at your samples.
Masking or substituting a fake sample is another way but must be complicated. Some Russians failed because their urine didn't have the right DNA. Testers became suspicious because
these athletes were too compliant with the testers! Always there willing to be tested.
If they REALLY look at your samples using all available science then doping with steroids is very hard IMO. If it were easy then the females for example would be matching/beating old DDR records but they aren't.
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A ratio of over 6:1 used to be a fail. They lowered the limit to 4:1. Don't know
if that by itself is a fail nowadays but the isotope test will tell if the test is synthetic.
Still leaves a bit of room to play as the normal ratio is 1:1. Guys were even adding
synthetic epitest to improve the ratio. I think they look at the messenger hormones
too which you mentioned (lh) if something looks suspicious. Doping with steroids successfully
isn't as easy as some think nowadays - if they really look closely at your samples.
Masking or substituting a fake sample is another way but must be complicated. Some Russians failed because their urine didn't have the right DNA. Testers became suspicious because
these athletes were too compliant with the testers! Always there willing to be tested.
If they REALLY look at your samples using all available science then doping with steroids is very hard IMO. If it were easy then the females for example would be matching/beating old DDR records but they aren't.
Thanks.
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do you know whether employers who test for this kind of stuff use the epi-t method or not?
I've heard employers will never test for AAS. Only the standard narcotics panel. This info from Overload from the steroid board.
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Ya I forgot no one is from my neck of the woods. Thanks for reminding me, are you going to the Toronto pro show or the Ontarios no one?
ya i'll be down saturday morning for the pre judging (ontarios). what about you?
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ya i'll be down saturday morning for the pre judging (ontarios). what about you?
I am the stage marshal for that show, it's a big one, I am dreading it as there are 300 entries and there is no break between pre-judging and finals.
Glad to hear you are coming out, just fucking with you earlier bro, you know that ;) and van b is the shit too, he always remains classy in debate, even though I am an asshole but hey he knows I respect him and yes he probably knows more then me for sure, i can admit that. ;)
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I am the stage marshal for that show, it's a big one, I am dreading it as there are 300 entries and there is no break between pre-judging and finals.
Glad to hear you are coming out, just fucking with you earlier bro, you know that ;) and van b is the shit too, he always remains classy in debate, even though I am an asshole but hey he knows I respect him and yes he probably knows more then me for sure, i can admit that. ;)
im gonna come look you up and say hi. dude- this is GETBIG. if we cant fuck around, be rude, tell each other to fuck off, whats the sense of being here? :D
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im gonna come look you up and say hi. dude- this is GETBIG. if we cant fuck around, be rude, tell each other to fuck off, whats the sense of being here? :D
bro come say hi for sure after Sat you will know what I look like, if your around for the expo let me know before hand, i will even pm you my number and you can text me bro. 8)
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After 14days or so you should start feeling something..