Length of time test Cyponate takes to become "active" in the body

[Submissionfytr]

Remember, there is no such thing as a stupid question ;-)

i have read studies, theres tons of stuff thats much better than the bbuilding broscience out there, tudies by eucated people with all parameters measured etc, its very interesting and yes indeed the often claimed things ins teroid books and online are absolute bullshit when compared to a real study.

there is peak level, accumulations and much more info.its a stupid and vague question by the op in the first place.

but yeah overthinking it all doesnt help, train eat correctly and inject whatvever on prefers or thinks is good and itl be good

[OTHstrong]

If this is true , I'm a fool for never realizing this.

well then you are not a fool cause that is simply the biggest horseshit I have ever read here on getbig since I started posting here in 04.

I have a very compulsive problem when it comes to getting bloods done, I have done this 100 times and have experimented with everything.

I have done a test e only cycle and have gotten blood work done as late as 2 months after my last injection and my testosterone was still there but coming down and almost out of my system.

Lmao at 2-5 half life, like my test levels would still be above normal after 2 months off of my last shot if this were true.

I have done prop only cycles as well were I have zero test levels after 15 days of my last injection, see the difference.

if anything the half life is way longer then the suppose 10 days not shorter, lol, 2-5 lolollolloll OK there.

[Van_Bilderass]

well then you are not a fool cause that is simply the biggest horseshit I have ever read here on getbig since I started posting here in 04.

I have a very compulsive problem when it comes to getting bloods done, I have done this 100 times and have experimented with everything.

I have done a test e only cycle and have gotten blood work done as late as 2 months after my last injection and my testosterone was still there but coming down and almost out of my system.

Lmao at 2-5 half life, like my test levels would still be above normal after 2 months off of my last shot if this were true.

I have done prop only cycles as well were I have zero test levels after 15 days of my last injection, see the difference.

if anything the half life is way longer then the suppose 10 days not shorter, lol, 2-5 lolollolloll OK there.

So Schering has it all wrong? All their research is bullshit? Why have all the studies
on test used once weekly dosing if the half-life is much longer
than 10 days?

HRT docs who recommend shooting at least once weekly are clueless? Why
would you need to administer weekly? Might as well go once
monthly or something. HRT docs have noticed a sharp drop in levels
after 5 days.

There are other explanations for the long, complete clearance. Total dosage over the cycle
for example.

[OTHstrong]

So Schering has it all wrong? All their research is bullshit? Why have all the studies
on test used once weekly dosing if the half-life is much longer
than 10 days?

HRT docs who recommend shooting at least once weekly are clueless? Why
would you need to administer weekly? Might as well go once
monthly or something. HRT docs have noticed a sharp drop in levels
after 5 days.

There are other explanations for the long, complete clearance. Total dosage over the cycle
for example.

Studies? you are joking right?, I can show you studies that show that steroids do not work, hell, let's believe studies, why not, let's believe Cell Tech builds 5 times more muscle. Studies can show whatever they fucken want and you know it.

Now I have a prescription for HRT as we speak and my Doctor recommends a shot every 2 weeks of test E, so his studies came up with 2 weeks and yet your doctors came up with 1 week, which one is it? so long for trusting in studies.

I don't trust any info but what I observe on myself and that is precisely test levels still elevated after 7 weeks of doing my last shot, that is nearly 2 months, if the half life was 2-5 days that would not be possible whatsoever.

Also you say docs have observed drop in levels after 5 day, bullshit, that is fucken impossible.

I invite anyone on this site to get tested twice, 5 days after administrating 500mg of test e and then again 10 days after and I will give anyone 1000 dollars cash if there levels are lower in test 2 then in test 1, 1000 dollars.

This is total BS, I am right and you are wrong, sorry don't feel like being rude but this is simply the only way I can put it.

[Van_Bilderass]

Now I have a prescription for HRT as we speak and my Doctor recommends a shot every 2 weeks of test E, so his studies came up with 2 weeks and yet your doctors came up with 1 week, which one is it? so long for trusting in studies.

I don't trust any info but what I observe on myself and that is precisely test levels still elevated after 7 weeks of doing my last shot, that is nearly 2 months, if the half life was 2-5 days that would not be possible whatsoever.

Also you say docs have observed drop in levels after 5 day, bullshit, that is fucken impossible.

I invite anyone on this site to get tested twice, 5 days after administrating 500mg of test e and then again 10 days after and I will give anyone 1000 dollars cash if there levels are lower in test 2 then in test 1, 1000 dollars.

This is total BS, I am right and you are wrong, sorry don't feel like being rude but this is simply the only way I can put it.

LOL you know the reason for the 2 week interval? Patient convenience, nothing else! You
know what the Schering Testoviron recommended as injection interval?
Six weeks! The same product that stated it had an average half-life of 2-3 days. Most patients
would be hypo by 2 weeks, starting with very HYPER levels
the first few days. Obviously not very ideal. But it has to do with
patients and docs not wanting to inject every week. That's why Nebido has replaced every
other test in much of Europe.

I'll write more when I'm at my puter, hate typing on my phone.

[OTHstrong]

LOL you know the reason for the 2 week interval? Patient convenience, nothing else! You
know what the Schering Testoviron recommended as injection interval?
Six weeks! The same product that stated it had an average half-life of 2-3 days. Most patients
would be hypo by 2 weeks, starting with very HYPER levels
the first few days. Obviously not very ideal. But it has to do with
patients and docs not wanting to inject every week. That's why Nebido has replaced every
other test in much of Europe.

I'll write more when I'm at my puter, hate typing on my phone.

and so,,.... what is your point?^^^^

[ukjeff]

Are the test studies based on people taking 250-500mgs a fortnight as opposed to someone taking 5 grams a week?

[Van_Bilderass]

and so,,.... what is your point?^^^^

The point is that your doctor does not have any studies showing 2 weeks to be an ideal injection
frequency to have stable levels. It's a compromise, due to patient compliance. It's a pain in the ass
for many to inject IM very often. Also, some docs want the patient to come in for their shots and don't like patients self administering. Same with the 6 week interval for a single 250mg Testoviron for HRT. The docs knew, and the data showed, that the patient will be hypogonadal half the time, with too high levels the first few days, but they probably figured it will be good enough as 250mg is about what a person produces in 6 weeks. Now there's Nebido which is shot like every couple of months - that most patients can deal with.

It's also strange that you diss science on pharmacokinetics when you yourself argue based on your own bloodwork! What if I said fuck the bloodwork, I know your test isn't as high as your tests showed. LOL that would be stupid. Either you believe in science (in this case analysis of your blood using some scientific methodology) or you don't.

Are the test studies based on people taking 250-500mgs a fortnight as opposed to someone taking 5 grams a week?

The highest studied dose of enanthate is 600mg as far as I know so that's a good point. I remember Disgusted saying his friend still had very elevated test like 6 months after stopping his injections! I think it was one of those guys who did 500mg of test per day. This does not mean test has a half-life of several months, there must be another explanation. Maybe some of the test crystallized and was trapped in scar tissue or whatever and seeped out at a much slower rate. I don't know.

Read it and weep  

http://books.google.se/books?id=mEgckDNkonUC&pg=PA442&lpg=PA442&dq=testosterone+enanthate+pharmacokinetics&source=bl&ots=1D5HaUukRd&sig=-C9DL3CYbieGSClCg6zSWtz2FFQ&hl=sv&sa=X&ei=cDSaUenWNaTn4QTdsYC4AQ&ved=0CE8Q6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=testosterone%20enanthate%20pharmacokinetics&f=false

[El Diablo Blanco]

The water retention is brutal at times with Cyp.  Amazing how I look in the mirror and at times look like Michelin man. A few pisses later and a little sweat from mowing the lawn and I look ready for an IFBB show.

[ukjeff]

The water retention is brutal at times with Cyp.  Amazing how I look in the mirror and at times look like Michelin man. A few pisses later and a little sweat from mowing the lawn and I look ready for an IFBB show.

The two bolded sections equate to the same thing.

[El Diablo Blanco]

The two bolded sections equate to the same thing.

HAHA, I was thinking that after I typed it.

[Big Chiro Flex]

This is a great thread and discussion, but I still don't know that the hell to believe now regarding Test E...

[bigmc]

This is a great thread and discussion, but I still don't know that the hell to believe now regarding Test E...

there will never be a scientific study that is done at high bodybuilder dosages

the ones quoted arent relevant because high dosage changes all the parameters

thats why it is all bro science

the other thing is everyone is different and reacts to test in their own unique way

[Big Chiro Flex]

there will never be a scientific study that is done at high bodybuilder dosages

the ones quoted arent relevant because high dosage changes all the parameters

thats why it is all bro science

the other thing is everyone is different and reacts to test in their own unique way

I know a pretty well known prep coach in the states, and his philosophy is "test is test is test. Inject every other day no matter what." Obviously during contest prep he only recommends Prop or TNE but his idea is valid I think.

[bigmc]

I know a pretty well known prep coach in the states, and his philosophy is "test is test is test. Inject every other day no matter what." Obviously during contest prep he only recommends Prop or TNE but his idea is valid I think.

ive always felt better on prop than long esters

and had less sides

[ukjeff]

I know a pretty well known prep coach in the states, and his philosophy is "test is test is test. Inject every other day no matter what."

Did he also say "And I happen to have some available for sale"?

[Big Chiro Flex]

Did he also say "And I happen to have some available for sale"?

Not sure what things are like in your land Jeffrey, but in America, an NPC level prep coach is an upstanding occupation, akin to being a fireman or a milk truck delivery driver.

[ukjeff]

Not sure what things are like in your land Jeffrey, but in America, an NPC level prep coach is an upstanding occupation, akin to being a fireman or a milk truck delivery driver.

Telling people to take illegal drugs is hardly an upstanding occupation.

[Big Chiro Flex]

Telling people to take illegal drugs is hardly an upstanding occupation.

Oh really it's not 

[njflex]

Not sure what things are like in your land Jeffrey, but in America, an NPC level prep coach is an upstanding occupation, akin to being a fireman or a milk truck delivery driver.

DEPEND'S WHAT'S IN THE MILK,,

[El Diablo Blanco]

RTFM

[no one]

i dont know how anyone can debate van b on matters like this. its inconceivable to me.

[OTHstrong]

i dont know how anyone can debate van b on matters like this. its inconceivable to me.

Because he is 100% dead wrong, that's why. How anyone can think the half life of test E is 2-5 days is inconceivable. Blood work does not lie brother.

This is a complete joke, the half life of test prop is 2-4 days and this guy is going to tell me that test E has the same half life of Test Prop, come on, this is fucken retarded to even think that, not even a reasonable argument, just straight up outrageous.

You can not have elevated test levels after 7 weeks of your last injection if the half life of the test is 2-5 days, this would be a scientific impossibility.

My test prop results on bloods show that my test is gone after 15 days and that is on par with a half life of 2-5 days and 7 weeks is on par with a half life of 10-14, BLOOD WORK DOES NOT LIE, IT ALWAYS TELLS THE TRUTH.

Test e and test p have the same half life according to Van B, lmao, bro get the fuck off the pipe 

[Psychopath]

OTH was probably injecting enough to kill a horse, then after he stopped there were depot of hormones locked in scar tissue slowly releasing its contents.

This is very common actually, more so with even longer esters like deca.


...But to anser the op, peak plasma levels are reached 24-48hrs after injection, then they maintain for a while before starting to drop off.


Personally, i don't use long esters any more. Much prefer ED or EOD shots knowing i can decrease the dose, or completely come off any time i want.

I also find sides are little to non existent using short esters.

[OTHstrong]

OTH was probably injecting enough to kill a horse, then after he stopped there were depot of hormones locked in scar tissue slowly releasing its contents.

This is very common actually, more so with even longer esters like deca.


...But to anser the op, peak plasma levels are reached 24-48hrs after injection, then they maintain for a while before starting to drop off.


Personally, i don't use long esters any more. Much prefer ED or EOD shots knowing i can decrease the dose, or completely come off any time i want.

I also find sides are little to non existent using short esters.

I was using the same amount with test p as i was with test e on numerous occasions and in multiple blood work It always resulted in the prop was out quick and test was out slow, so why does the prop never clump together and stay in between scar tissue. In fact it would be more possible for the prop to do what you said since I am doing twice as many cc, so clearly that's is not the issue here.

Everyone in this thread knows what I am saying bro, including you and including no one, you guys all know that the half life of test e is way longer then that of prop, why you guys are not saying anything is beyond me but it is common sence to anyone who has used prop and test e that test e has a way longer half life, van b is suggesting they both are same, this is the funniest thing I have ever heard on getbig