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If this goes nationwide, I'm sure you'll see a lot less gimmicks on here, haha!
http://www.khou.com/news/texas-news/Drug-tests-for-unemployment-benefits-approved-208955991.html
Welfare sponges should be next!
AUSTIN, Texas (AP) -- Workers who lose their jobs would have to clear a drug screening to qualify for unemployment compensation under a proposal approved by the Texas Legislature.
Under current law, employers take out insurance policies to help laid-off workers survive on weekly payments of $62 to $440. Those who are fired for cause, including failing an employer-sponsored drug test, do not qualify.
The changes approved Saturday would require laid-off workers to fill out state questionnaires. Answers considered suspicious would lead to drug tests. Workers who fail would lose their benefits.
Republican Sen. Tommy Williams said the program will help maintain a competent workforce.
Democrats have blocked a separate measure that would have required drug testing for welfare recipients. But the bill targeting unemployed workers will now go to the governor.
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If this goes nationwide, I'm sure you'll see a lot less gimmicks on here, haha!
http://www.khou.com/news/texas-news/Drug-tests-for-unemployment-benefits-approved-208955991.html
Welfare sponges should be next!
AUSTIN, Texas (AP) -- Workers who lose their jobs would have to clear a drug screening to qualify for unemployment compensation under a proposal approved by the Texas Legislature.
Under current law, employers take out insurance policies to help laid-off workers survive on weekly payments of $62 to $440. Those who are fired for cause, including failing an employer-sponsored drug test, do not qualify.
The changes approved Saturday would require laid-off workers to fill out state questionnaires. Answers considered suspicious would lead to drug tests. Workers who fail would lose their benefits.
Republican Sen. Tommy Williams said the program will help maintain a competent workforce.
Democrats have blocked a separate measure that would have required drug testing for welfare recipients. But the bill targeting unemployed workers will now go to the governor.
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If this goes nationwide, I'm sure you'll see a lot less gimmicks on here, haha!
http://www.khou.com/news/texas-news/Drug-tests-for-unemployment-benefits-approved-208955991.html
Welfare sponges should be next!
AUSTIN, Texas (AP) -- Workers who lose their jobs would have to clear a drug screening to qualify for unemployment compensation under a proposal approved by the Texas Legislature.
Under current law, employers take out insurance policies to help laid-off workers survive on weekly payments of $62 to $440. Those who are fired for cause, including failing an employer-sponsored drug test, do not qualify.
The changes approved Saturday would require laid-off workers to fill out state questionnaires. Answers considered suspicious would lead to drug tests. Workers who fail would lose their benefits.
Republican Sen. Tommy Williams said the program will help maintain a competent workforce.
Democrats have blocked a separate measure that would have required drug testing for welfare recipients. But the bill targeting unemployed workers will now go to the governor.
Very bad move. The last thing you want is the Government empowered to drug test anyone. Not only that, this program has been proven to be a wasteful failure that has done nothing but cost the taxpayers even MORE money as well as giving the Government more power to snoop in people`s private lives.
Why do you want to give the Government MORE power that it Should NEVER have? ???
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Very bad move. The last thing you want is the Government empowered to drug test anyone. Not only that, this program has been proven to be a wasteful failure that has done nothing but cost the taxpayers even MORE money as well as giving the Government more power to snoop in people`s private lives.
Why do you want to give the Government MORE power that it Should NEVER have? ???
No, but I refuse to pay for someone who's using the money for drugs instead of looking for work. Government sponges.
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No, but I refuse to pay for someone who's using the money for drugs instead of looking for work. Government sponges.
All that can be solved by abortion you know.
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WTF PROFILING!!! THIS NEEDS TO GOTO SUPREME COURT
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No, but I refuse to pay for someone who's using the money for drugs instead of looking for work. Government sponges.
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All that can be solved by abortion you know.
Gossling fan are ya?
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If this goes nationwide, I'm sure you'll see a lot less gimmicks on here, haha!
http://www.khou.com/news/texas-news/Drug-tests-for-unemployment-benefits-approved-208955991.html
Welfare sponges should be next!
AUSTIN, Texas (AP) -- Workers who lose their jobs would have to clear a drug screening to qualify for unemployment compensation under a proposal approved by the Texas Legislature.
Under current law, employers take out insurance policies to help laid-off workers survive on weekly payments of $62 to $440. Those who are fired for cause, including failing an employer-sponsored drug test, do not qualify.
The changes approved Saturday would require laid-off workers to fill out state questionnaires. Answers considered suspicious would lead to drug tests. Workers who fail would lose their benefits.
Republican Sen. Tommy Williams said the program will help maintain a competent workforce.
Democrats have blocked a separate measure that would have required drug testing for welfare recipients. But the bill targeting unemployed workers will now go to the governor.
A lot of those making these new laws are no doubt on drugs too. They should also be drug tested on a regular basis. Politicians, presidents, LE, all on drugs. Lots of alcoholics and pill poppers. It's a drugged society. Fire everybody.
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Gossling fan are ya?
No, but facts are facts.
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LOL@Republicans wanting the Government to have MORE control over people and their private lives.
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No, but facts are facts.
You should know by now that abortion isn't even close to being an option for me, so I won't even bother with that video.
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LOL@Republicans wanting the Government to have MORE control over people and their private lives.
You have two different types of control. The control that gives away taxpayers money to anyone that's lazy and won't work, then the other who protects the taxpayers money and doesn't waste it.
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This is an excellent move. Why the fuck should I have to get drug tested to keep my job, and someone else doesn't to get money without working.
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You have two different types of control. The control that gives away taxpayers money to anyone that's lazy and won't work, then the other who protects the taxpayers money and doesn't waste it.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/18/us/no-savings-found-in-florida-welfare-drug-tests.html?_r=0
No Savings Are Found From Welfare Drug Tests
Because the Florida law requires that applicants who pass the test be reimbursed for the cost, an average of $30, the cost to the state was $118,140. This is more than would have been paid out in benefits to the people who failed the test, Mr. Newton said.
As a result, the testing cost the government an extra $45,780, he said.
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Ok, TA. Lets get serious here for a minute and use some commonsense. NY Times is one of the most liberal rags in America, like the LA Times, Chicago Tribune, etc..they have a far left agenda. Whether you admit it or not, you know this to be true. Now, that being said, this particular law has been in the planning for years. Don't you think for one minute they state of Texas hasn't researched this up and down?
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If this goes nationwide, I'm sure you'll see a lot less gimmicks on here, haha!
http://www.khou.com/news/texas-news/Drug-tests-for-unemployment-benefits-approved-208955991.html
Welfare sponges should be next!
AUSTIN, Texas (AP) -- Workers who lose their jobs would have to clear a drug screening to qualify for unemployment compensation under a proposal approved by the Texas Legislature.
Under current law, employers take out insurance policies to help laid-off workers survive on weekly payments of $62 to $440. Those who are fired for cause, including failing an employer-sponsored drug test, do not qualify.
The changes approved Saturday would require laid-off workers to fill out state questionnaires. Answers considered suspicious would lead to drug tests. Workers who fail would lose their benefits.
Republican Sen. Tommy Williams said the program will help maintain a competent workforce.
Democrats have blocked a separate measure that would have required drug testing for welfare recipients. But the bill targeting unemployed workers will now go to the governor.
When your clients come to their senses and your gym close you will try to quality for unemployment benefits so you better start getting off the drugs now.
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When your clients come to their senses and your gym close you will try to quality for unemployment benefits so you better start getting off the drugs now.
Drunk post?
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Ok, TA. Lets get serious here for a minute and use some commonsense. NY Times is one of the most liberal rags in America, like the LA Times, Chicago Tribune, etc..they have a far left agenda. Whether you admit it or not, you know this to be true. Now, that being said, this particular law has been in the planning for years. Don't you think for one minute they state of Texas hasn't researched this up and down?
The above study was an actual study done. It was not a study done by the NY times. This was actually researched. The amount of money it cost to tests everyone far outweighed the amount of people on drugs. The difference was staggering! The stereotype that all people are on welfare are on drugs is just that...a stereotype.
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The above study was an actual study done. It was not a study done by the NY times. This was actually researched. The amount of money it cost to tests everyone far outweighed the amount of people on drugs. The difference was staggering! The stereotype that all people are on welfare are on drugs is just that...a stereotype.
Doesn't matter. Do you actually think they would post a studied that would counter their agenda? Last I heard, the state of Texas had good economy compared to the rest of the states that are, for lack of a better term, less conservative.
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The above study was an actual study done. It was not a study done by the NY times. This was actually researched. The amount of money it cost to tests everyone far outweighed the amount of people on drugs. The difference was staggering! The stereotype that all people are on welfare are on drugs is just that...a stereotype.
get it right dumbass, we're not worried about saving money or a "competent workforce", it's all about discriminating against people who are in any way different than us no matter how harmless the difference may be. Also government interference in people's personal life is a strong conservative value
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Doesn't matter. Do you actually think they would post a studied that would counter their agenda? Last I heard, the state of Texas had good economy compared to the rest of the states that are, for lack of a better term, less conservative.
and a lot more Mexicans
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get it right dumbass, we're not worried about saving money or a "competent workforce", it's all about discriminating against people who are in any way different than us no matter how harmless the difference may be. Also government interference in people's personal life is a strong conservative value
Well, that's even worse then!
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Doesn't matter. Do you actually think they would post a studied that would counter their agenda? Last I heard, the state of Texas had good economy compared to the rest of the states that are, for lack of a better term, less conservative.
So do the research yourself and try and find a study that proves it worthwhile.
But I thought conservatives were all about cutting corners to save money. This is costing more money.
Which one is it?
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I just want to help Afro-Americans
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Finally, someone made a good comment on FB about this:
This is a waste of taxpayer dollars. Several studies have concluded that the vast majority of those on public assistance or utilizing their unemployment insurance have a much lower rate of positive results on a drug test than those not receiving benefits. Now, the taxpayers are saddled with the costs of running these tests, and the myriad of legal encumbrances that follow. Common sense dictates that this will not be signed. I won't post any links to studies here, as they would likely be attacked as favoring one side of the other, but should you doubt the veracity of these claims, I urge you to seek out the results on whichever bipartisan site that you choose to review the details within. This is designed to benefit the drug testing labs, who will reap millions of profits at the expense of the average, hard-working taxpayer. Don't let them tell you otherwise. The facts are simple to find.
The bold highlight seems to be pretty on point.
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and a lot more Mexicans
Doesn't matter if it's Texas or any other state, it should be done everywhere.
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Finally, someone made a good comment on FB about this:
This is a waste of taxpayer dollars. Several studies have concluded that the vast majority of those on public assistance or utilizing their unemployment insurance have a much lower rate of positive results on a drug test than those not receiving benefits. Now, the taxpayers are saddled with the costs of running these tests, and the myriad of legal encumbrances that follow. Common sense dictates that this will not be signed. I won't post any links to studies here, as they would likely be attacked as favoring one side of the other, but should you doubt the veracity of these claims, I urge you to seek out the results on whichever bipartisan site that you choose to review the details within. This is designed to benefit the drug testing labs, who will reap millions of profits at the expense of the average, hard-working taxpayer. Don't let them tell you otherwise. The facts are simple to find.
The bold highlight seems to be pretty on point.
lol
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If this goes nationwide, I'm sure you'll see a lot less gimmicks on here, haha!
http://www.khou.com/news/texas-news/Drug-tests-for-unemployment-benefits-approved-208955991.html
Welfare sponges should be next!
AUSTIN, Texas (AP) -- Workers who lose their jobs would have to clear a drug screening to qualify for unemployment compensation under a proposal approved by the Texas Legislature.
Under current law, employers take out insurance policies to help laid-off workers survive on weekly payments of $62 to $440. Those who are fired for cause, including failing an employer-sponsored drug test, do not qualify.
The changes approved Saturday would require laid-off workers to fill out state questionnaires. Answers considered suspicious would lead to drug tests. Workers who fail would lose their benefits.
Republican Sen. Tommy Williams said the program will help maintain a competent workforce.
Democrats have blocked a separate measure that would have required drug testing for welfare recipients. But the bill targeting unemployed workers will now go to the governor.
Sorry but treating people that become unemployed as possible drug users is crossing a bunch of lines and will end up costing the state even more money.
What's even worse Coach is your reference to them being called "lazy". I worked for Alltel for many years and I was laid off along with over 300 people as the Alltel Center in Greenville, SC was shut down. Kicking a person while they are down is not the Christian thing to do and treating them as a drug user without any real evidence is Un-American. A questionaire to determine whether someone is using drugs....what a bunch of bullcrap. The only thing they are using it for is an excuse to stall for payments or just hold things up.
But honestly, I can bet that the drug testing companies kicked these politicians some payola and they are just returning the favor
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lol
Laugh all you want, but politicians and drug companies, as well as many other companies (gas companies, oil companies, pharmacies) in cahoots.
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Sorry but treating people that become unemployed as possible drug users is crossing a bunch of lines and will end up costing the state even more money.
What's even worse Coach is your reference to them being called "lazy". I worked for Alltel for many years and I was laid off along with over 300 people as the Alltel Center in Greenville, SC was shut down. Kicking a person while they are down is not the Christian thing to do and treating them as a drug user without any real evidence is Un-American. A questionaire to determine whether someone is using drugs....what a bunch of bullcrap. The only thing they are using it for is an excuse to stall for payments or just hold things up.
But honestly, I can bet that the drug testing companies kicked these politicians some payola and they are just returning the favor
It's not kicking a person when they're down Vince, it's holding them accountable. Here's a scenario for you...Lets just say you're an investor in someone else's business. You invest A LOT of money with the expectations of seeing a return. To add a little security to your investment, you want to see a prospectus, see a business plan, financials, etc. Why? Because you are investing money.
If we keep giving endless amounts of money (and the left seems to think the money is endless) to a non-productive society, do we not have the right to protect our investment? Now, obviously not everyone is going to be on drugs and those are the ones that don't have to worry, but you have to weed out the ones who milk the system. Who the fuck wants to explain how someone in an oppressed part of town that rents a shitty house or apartment can buy a $80k Benz? or $5000 wheels or BAGS OF WEED OR METH or other shit like that yet has been on welfare or UE for most of their lives? Fuck Vince, feel free to just hand out your money, not mine.
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lol you cant stay on ue for your lifetime more like less than a year
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lol you cant stay on ue for your lifetime more like less than a year
I believe your buddy Obama extended it to 99 weeks from 72. What a guy.
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Shouldn't drug test for unemployment, absolutely not! Maybe for welfare.
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Very bad move. The last thing you want is the Government empowered to drug test anyone. Not only that, this program has been proven to be a wasteful failure that has done nothing but cost the taxpayers even MORE money as well as giving the Government more power to snoop in people`s private lives.
Why do you want to give the Government MORE power that it Should NEVER have? ???
they already do have the power, they passed a law in my state allowing them to drug test state employees. of course, politicians are exempt from this new law ::)
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Shouldn't drug test for unemployment, absolutely not! Maybe for welfare.
Really? Even if that person was dismissed for drugs?
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they already do have the power, they passed a law in my state allowing them to drug test state employees. of course, politicians are exempt from this new law ::)
I don't agree with that either. Politicians should be tested as well, same with Obamacare, they should not be exempt from it. As a matter of fact, technically they cannot be exempt from it.
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Coach, how about testing for alcohol and tobacco too?
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Very bad move. The last thing you want is the Government empowered to drug test anyone. Not only that, this program has been proven to be a wasteful failure that has done nothing but cost the taxpayers even MORE money as well as giving the Government more power to snoop in people`s private lives.
Why do you want to give the Government MORE power that it Should NEVER have? ???
drug test is 300 bucks, some get that paid weekly for 2 years. id say it worth the test
if you think the government isnt snooping on you anyway your a fool.
now get back in he kitchen you skinnend cat looking freak
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drug test is 300 bucks, some get that paid weekly for 2 years. id say it worth the test
if you think the government isnt snooping on you anyway your a fool.
now get back in he kitchen you skinnend cat looking freak
Its not worth it if studies consistently show that the amount of people on drugs who are on welfare is extremely little compared to the amount of money it cost to test these people. Its a really bad decision and will only cost the tax payers a lot more money.
I thought conservatives were about cutting corners and saving money? This is obviously the total opposite.
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If this goes nationwide, I'm sure you'll see a lot less gimmicks on here, haha!
http://www.khou.com/news/texas-news/Drug-tests-for-unemployment-benefits-approved-208955991.html
Welfare sponges should be next!
AUSTIN, Texas (AP) -- Workers who lose their jobs would have to clear a drug screening to qualify for unemployment compensation under a proposal approved by the Texas Legislature.
Under current law, employers take out insurance policies to help laid-off workers survive on weekly payments of $62 to $440. Those who are fired for cause, including failing an employer-sponsored drug test, do not qualify.
The changes approved Saturday would require laid-off workers to fill out state questionnaires. Answers considered suspicious would lead to drug tests. Workers who fail would lose their benefits.
Republican Sen. Tommy Williams said the program will help maintain a competent workforce.
Democrats have blocked a separate measure that would have required drug testing for welfare recipients. But the bill targeting unemployed workers will now go to the governor.
So this would work well as long as all politicians and lobbyists agree to random drug tests as well
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Really? Even if that person was dismissed for drugs?
Correct. Too much power to the government for minimal returns, opens a can of worms. And most dismissed for drugs it's for marijuana. Not too many hardcore addicts holding down FTE. Also too much power to the companies. And who's to day a getbigger shouldn't be able to do a couple lines of coke every now and then?
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I don't agree with that either. Politicians should be tested as well, same with Obamacare, they should not be exempt from it. As a matter of fact, technically they cannot be exempt from it.
another thing you're failing to realize is drug tests are hardly foolproof. some statistics show like a 20% false positive rate. it will just end up persecuting the wrong people
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As a card-carrying libertarian (small "L"), I find myself conflicted. The whole notion of governments using transfer payments to pay folks not to work is a anathema to my being. That said, to TA's point, the answer is probably not giving the government more power to regulate, because it has shown a disturbing propensity as of late to misuse any new regulatory power in creative ways not envisioned when the power was given.
Apart from shutting down the transfer payment bonanza completely, I find myself swayed by the notion of curtailing it in any way, so I am marginally on board with the testing, albeit with many caveats. Long-winded way to return to the middle...
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I believe your buddy Obama extended it to 99 weeks from 72. What a guy.
your living in the past doesnt exist anymore.
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Coach makes more money than all of us. Why does he care?
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I wonder how many posters in this thread have dealt with drug addiction?
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WAR ON THE POOR
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This is an excellent move. Why the fuck should I have to get drug tested to keep my job, and someone else doesn't to get money without working.
If you prefer the alternative, then choose that, otherwise stop bitching about your situation. Never understood why working people bitch about people on welfare, if they think it is so great, why don't they go on welfare.
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If you prefer the alternative, then choose that, otherwise stop bitching about your situation. Never understood why working people bitch about people on welfare, if they think it is so great, why don't they go on welfare.
We dont bitch about the ones who actually need the help, those are usually the ones that are lookimg for ways to get off of it. We bitch about the deadbeats !nd lazy bastards who abuse the system that we have to pay for. Why is this so hard to understand?
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Doesn't matter. Do you actually think they would post a studied that would counter their agenda? Last I heard, the state of Texas had good economy compared to the rest of the states that are, for lack of a better term, less conservative.
Wait, are you or are you not saying that this program was cost-effective in Florida? BTW, does it make sense to you that "Last I heard" isn't something any serious-minded person would ever write when debating government policies? Should have just substituted "I'm too lazy to google this, but", ya weasle word using dumbass.
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LOL@Republicans wanting the Government to have MORE control over people and their private lives.
Well that just makes sense, don't it?
actually lol, it doesn't. Republicans are a shadow of their former selves in some aspects such as this.
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I want the legislators to perform random tests with the results posted online, in the paper, etc.
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Funny, I wonder how many of these POS pigs in Texas, daring to support this shit, have also supported the ideas that displace American workers.
Really have to laugh at these little bitches with their "don't mess with Texas" bullshit, at the same time they're being bullied like this.
Steers and Queers, man, I'll tell you.
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We bitch about the deadbeats !nd lazy bastards who abuse the system that we have to pay for. Why is this so hard to understand?
That's no way to talk about your politicians and large corporations that work so hard. And by the way, they all need the help, people who don't need help don't ask for it. Not so hard to understand!
If you are truly worried about being exploited, you are looking at the wrong end of the playing field. Governments give far more money to the rich and the elites than they have ever given to the poor and unemployed. As a matter of fact, those at the top deliberately indoctrinate the middle and working class to condemn the poor and unemployed, it takes the focus of them arse fucking you while your busy giving shit to some poor homeless schizophrenic.
You have to ask yourselves whose values are you expressing, if you find your values coinciding with the Elites, then ask yourself if you are one of the Elites. If the answer is no, ask yourself how did you find yourself in a position endorsing the agenda of a ruling class that you will never be a part of. Then ask yourself where do you get all your information. Do the Elites have any control over what you think, feel and believe?
Perhaps it's time to ask yourself why you dislike some poor druggie living of a meagre Government handout and being kept in a cycle of hopelessness and poverty and not so worried about the rich and powerful running the economy into the ground and receiving billion dollar tax payer funded bailouts just to do it all over again.
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...tell the fucker to HOLD THE CUP
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I wonder how many posters in this thread have dealt with drug addiction?
Carl Johnson never took drugs.
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That's no way to talk about your politicians and large corporations that work so hard.
If you are truly worried about being exploited, you are looking at the wrong end of the playing field. Governments give far more money to the rich and the elites than they have ever given to the poor and unemployed. As a matter of fact, those at the top deliberately indoctrinate the middle and working class to condemn the poor and unemployed, it takes the focus of them arse fucking you while your busy giving shit to some poor homeless schizophrenic.
You have to ask yourselves whose values are you expressing, if you find your values coinciding with the Elites, then ask yourself if you are one of the Elites. If the answer is no, ask yourself how did you find yourself in a position endorsing the agenda of a ruling class that you will never be a part of. Then ask yourself where do you get all your information. Do the Elites have any control over what you think, feel and believe?
Perhaps it's time to ask yourself why you dislike some poor druggie living of a meagre Government handout and being kept in a cycle of hopelessness and poverty and not so worried about the rich and powerful running the economy into the ground and receiving billion dollar tax payer funded bailouts just to do it all over again.
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good post!
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That's no way to talk about your politicians and large corporations that work so hard. And by the way, they all need the help, people who don't need help don't ask for it. Not so hard to understand!
If you are truly worried about being exploited, you are looking at the wrong end of the playing field. Governments give far more money to the rich and the elites than they have ever given to the poor and unemployed. As a matter of fact, those at the top deliberately indoctrinate the middle and working class to condemn the poor and unemployed, it takes the focus of them arse fucking you while your busy giving shit to some poor homeless schizophrenic.
You have to ask yourselves whose values are you expressing, if you find your values coinciding with the Elites, then ask yourself if you are one of the Elites. If the answer is no, ask yourself how did you find yourself in a position endorsing the agenda of a ruling class that you will never be a part of. Then ask yourself where do you get all your information. Do the Elites have any control over what you think, feel and believe?
Perhaps it's time to ask yourself why you dislike some poor druggie living of a meagre Government handout and being kept in a cycle of hopelessness and poverty and not so worried about the rich and powerful running the economy into the ground and receiving billion dollar tax payer funded bailouts just to do it all over again.
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is it bad that i feel worse for the dog than for "al"?
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People that perpetually live on drugs, for the most part, are pretty damn good at getting around test. I have drug addicted sister, bunch of other family members and such, and they get tested constantly for whatever bullshit gas station job they apply to constantly. They have never, not once, ever gotten popped. All this will do is waste tax payer dollars. The amount of drug use this stops for people on welfare will be negligible to the amount it will cost us. I like the train of thought, the execution is crap. Surprised?
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We dont bitch about the ones who actually need the help, those are usually the ones that are lookimg for ways to get off of it. We bitch about the deadbeats !nd lazy bastards who abuse the system that we have to pay for. Why is this so hard to understand?
Yes.
People forget that welfare is possible due to working people. I don't want my fucking tax dollars to go to deadbeats.
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People that perpetually live on drugs, for the most part, are pretty damn good at getting around test. I have drug addicted sister, bunch of other family members and such, and they get tested constantly for whatever bullshit gas station job they apply to constantly. They have never, not once, ever gotten popped. All this will do is waste tax payer dollars. The amount of drug use this stops for people on welfare will be negligible to the amount it will cost us. I like the train of thought, the execution is crap. Surprised?
that's because most drugs have ridiculously short half lives, so even if you somehow manage to get tested the next day and it comes back positive, as an employee you have the right to claim a false positive and ask for a retest, and by then you'll be clean. all these kinds of measures would do is catch innocent weed smokers at best, who are in general still productive members of society. of course that's probably still a win for the big wigs at the whitehouse and their illogical war on weed. and drug tests are expensive so all you people bitching about having to pay for deadbeats, get ready to pay a whole fuck of a lot more if this law passes.
seriously i could do xanax, meth, coke, mdma and heroin all right now and be good to pass a drug test in a day or two as long as i stop doing it. smoke a blunt ? 2-5 weeks.
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Yes.
People forget that welfare is possible due to working people. I don't want my fucking tax dollars to go to deadbeats.
Yeah, better your money goes to the ruling class and elitist deadbeats. ::) You're a brainwashed moron !
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LMAO at people who actually think they have a say on where the tax dollar actually goes
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It's not kicking a person when they're down Vince, it's holding them accountable. Here's a scenario for you...Lets just say you're an investor in someone else's business. You invest A LOT of money with the expectations of seeing a return. To add a little security to your investment, you want to see a prospectus, see a business plan, financials, etc. Why? Because you are investing money.
If we keep giving endless amounts of money (and the left seems to think the money is endless) to a non-productive society, do we not have the right to protect our investment? Now, obviously not everyone is going to be on drugs and those are the ones that don't have to worry, but you have to weed out the ones who milk the system. Who the fuck wants to explain how someone in an oppressed part of town that rents a shitty house or apartment can buy a $80k Benz? or $5000 wheels or BAGS OF WEED OR METH or other shit like that yet has been on welfare or UE for most of their lives? Fuck Vince, feel free to just hand out your money, not mine.
We're talking about unemployment benefits....not welfare, Coach. When I was laid off, I was kicked to the curb with nothing but 8 weeks of severance pay....that's not enough time to find a comparable job to mine and I simply never did....I've not worked in the industry since 2007.
I was fortunate enough to have my PT and website businesses along with selling Pre-Paid Legal. Other people aren't that lucky and they have a family to find. Why put extra hardships on folks who just got fired and laid off by essentially accusing them of using drugs and forcing them to take a drug test.
I sure if politicans had to take drug tests to take office, they would know better. Obviously you've never been laid off before but believe me, getting a pink slip laid on your desk isn't funny
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i hope they do test for drugs
hopefully people will wake up and smell the roses
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Ok, TA. Lets get serious here for a minute and use some commonsense. NY Times is one of the most liberal rags in America, like the LA Times, Chicago Tribune, etc..they have a far left agenda. Whether you admit it or not, you know this to be true. Now, that being said, this particular law has been in the planning for years. Don't you think for one minute they state of Texas hasn't researched this up and down?
"Let's use some common sense here and attack the other side's character without once addressing their arguments."
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We're talking about unemployment benefits....not welfare, Coach. When I was laid off, I was kicked to the curb with nothing but 8 weeks of severance pay....that's not enough time to find a comparable job to mine and I simply never did....I've not worked in the industry since 2007.
I was fortunate enough to have my PT and website businesses along with selling Pre-Paid Legal. Other people aren't that lucky and they have a family to find. Why put extra hardships on folks who just got fired and laid off by essentially accusing them of using drugs and forcing them to take a drug test.
I sure if politicans had to take drug tests to take office, they would know better. Obviously you've never been laid off before but believe me, getting a pink slip laid on your desk isn't funny
Just because you didn't find a comparable job, Vince, doesn't mean you stay on it. You find a job,.then you get off it.
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Will they be testing for steroids and other PED's? Does it include those addicted to powerful prescription drugs? What about the alcoholics and those addicted to nicotine? Or are we just looking to target crackheads and pot smokers. And will TRT be accepted?
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Will they be testing for steroids and other PED's? Does it include those addicted to powerful prescription drugs? What about the alcoholics and those addicted to nicotine? Or are we just looking to target crackheads and pot smokers. And will TRT be accepted?
Stupid argument. 90% of the companies that hire drug test to protect their interests. Should they quit testing as well?
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Stupid argument. 90% of the companies that hire drug test to protect their interests. Should they quit testing as well?
I'm asking, what are they testing for? And if it is purely about protecting their interests, wouldn't PED be allowed. I remember years ago reading a study from Jamaica where they said the pot heads were better workers when it came to heavy manual labour.
And you complain about people on welfare being on drugs, yet by your own admission the workforce is weeding them out. What choice do they have? Do you think it would just be more efficient to shoot them?
Do you see the workforce as something that should operate like a powerful machine, with only the best parts but alienates a big segment of the community. Or do you see the workforce as something that works with the community utilising people of all different strengths and weaknesses. I hate to say it, but your views on the unfortunate are kind of Hitlerish!
And the thing that gets me the most is how many people from the lower classes bash on others from the lower classes. Most of the people complaining are one step away from being in a similar situation. The lower classes carrying the same ideals and values as the ruling class always looks ridiculous. Not only will they never be part of the ruling class, they alienate themselves from their own kind.
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it was tried in florida see what happens
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How about we start by stopping welfare payments to none US citizens and clean up immigration instead of adding another 30 mil or so through the present policies being pushed in congress. We should also tighten our borders and stop the free flow of drugs coming in or make them legal and tax them.
It would be nice too if states would audit their welfare systems so they stop paying benefits to dead people or people with multiple social security numbers.
http://dailycaller.com/2013/05/28/massachusetts-paid-out-2-39-million-in-welfare-benefits-to-dead-people/
Drug testing just opens another can of worms to be exploited by bureaucrats. Unemployment benefits are already being cut back.
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Just because you didn't find a comparable job, Vince, doesn't mean you stay on it. You find a job,.then you get off it.
no its to find a comparable job no matter how long you are on; not a job at a fast food chain.
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so wait wait..
We actually have research on this very subject, in fact the exact same scenario. In said piece of research they find
1: people on EI/Well do not use drugs at a higher rate then people who work
2: the program was a failure of the best kind, not simply failing to work, but instead to cost money.
Yet this is still assumed to be a good idea?
How much of a moron would you have to be to still support this debunked nonsense?
who? who won't wear the ribbon.
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so wait wait..
We actually have research on this very subject, in fact the exact same sceniario. In said piece of research they find
1: people on EI/Well do not use drugs at a higher rate then people who work
2: the program was a failure of the best kind, not simply failing to work, but instead to cost money.
Yet this is still assumed to be a good idea?
How much of a moron would you have to be to still support this debunked nonsense?
who? who won't wear the ribbon.
I see Bullshit with no credible link. Besides, this is one of those business commonsense things liberis lack. Here's a fact. With all of the liberalsin the senate, only 6 have ever had to meet a payroll.
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I'm asking, what are they testing for? And if it is purely about protecting their interests, wouldn't PED be allowed. I remember years ago reading a study from Jamaica where they said the pot heads were better workers when it came to heavy manual labour.
And you complain about people on welfare being on drugs, yet by your own admission the workforce is weeding them out. What choice do they have? Do you think it would just be more efficient to shoot them?
Do you see the workforce as something that should operate like a powerful machine, with only the best parts but alienates a big segment of the community. Or do you see the workforce as something that works with the community utilising people of all different strengths and weaknesses. I hate to say it, but your views on the unfortunate are kind of Hitlerish!
And the thing that gets me the most is how many people from the lower classes bash on others from the lower classes. Most of the people complaining are one step away from being in a similar situation. The lower classes carrying the same ideals and values as the ruling class always looks ridiculous. Not only will they never be part of the ruling class, they alienate themselves from their own kind.
lol poor hating other poor and beleiving all the conservative dribble from the elites they listen to its called a low iq.
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I see Bullshit with no credible link. Besides, this is one of those business commonsense things liberis lack. Here's a fact. With all of the liberalsin the senate, only 6 have ever had to meet a payroll.
you see facts you want to ignore because it crushes your point of view.
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Its not worth it if studies consistently show that the amount of people on drugs who are on welfare is extremely little compared to the amount of money it cost to test these people. Its a really bad decision and will only cost the tax payers a lot more money.
I thought conservatives were about cutting corners and saving money? This is obviously the total opposite.
these studies are very misleading...
they dont show how many ppl didnt apply b/c they knew they would be drug tested or those that got jobs b/c they knew they couldnt milk the system either.
it looking a portion of the results and claiming it supports your case....
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these studies are very misleading...
they dont show how many ppl didnt apply b/c they knew they would be drug tested or those that got jobs b/c they knew they couldnt milk the system either.
it looking a portion of the results and claiming it supports your case....
you gotta be kidding oh how far a right winger will reach before they are a laughing stock of well educated humans.
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you gotta be kidding oh how far a right winger will reach before they are a laughing stock of well educated humans.
pointing out facts is now reaching?
ahhh the libtard liberal logic.....
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pointing out facts is now reaching?
ahhh the libtard liberal logic.....
Nevermind this little clown. He can't post anything credible. The only thing he backs up are camels to falafel cock.
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conservative lovefest going on of course ignore all facts and make up your own :D
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conservative lovefest going on of course ignore all facts and make up your own :D
lol so these studies do take into account those that dont apply b/c they know they will get drug tested?
they do take into account the ppl who get jobs b/c they know they cant milk the system?
I didnt read that when I went over the study, please tell me where it was....
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What "facts" or studies, I don't see shit.
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lol so these studies do take into account those that dont apply b/c they know they will get drug tested?
they do take into account the ppl who get jobs b/c they know they cant milk the system?
I didnt read that when I went over the study, please tell me where it was....
valid argument to be honest, perhaps it does deter people from even applying who have drug problems. It is simply looking at the number of those who did. This other population is unknown and could be confounding.
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conservative lovefest going on of course ignore all facts and make up your own :D
Prove to me that you are that chubby, caramel boy that you claim. I don't buy it for one second. You are a pro muslim gimmick, strictly here to get views. Prove me wrong.
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google the florida studies yourself lazy conservatives.
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There is an incentive for many to have children because of entitlement programs which provide financial assistance for each child...the more kids...the more $. What makes you think the people who make money by having kids would opt for abortion?
All that can be solved by abortion you know.
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Jtsunami speaking the truth once again. Just painful for conservatives to hear.
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Jtsunami speaking the truth once again. Just painful for conservatives to hear.
No, it just irritating to see just how many dumbasses we have here.
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Jtsunami speaking the truth once again. Just painful for conservatives to hear.
thanks for the backup.