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or are you back where you started by the time you have the next cycle
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Why come off? ::)
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Why come off? ::)
because i'm not sure if the finasteride is working or not
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you know, after two years being on and off gear, i realised thaty this whole cycling thing is garbage. why would you want to come off? to lose what you've gained? put on 15 lbs and lose almost all of it in a moment? nah, it's either always ON or no gear at all. at least for me...
not once did i do pct, actually,,
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you know, after two years being on and off gear, i realised thaty this whole cycling thing is garbage. why would you want to come off? to lose what you've gained? put on 15 lbs and lose almost all of it in a moment? nah, it's either always ON or no gear at all. at least for me...
not once did i do pct, actually,,
maybe you would not have lost gains so quickly if you did do pct?
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because i'm not sure if the finasteride is working or not
Fuck the pct and stay on. Stop being an over thinking vagina. :D
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maybe you would not have lost gains so quickly if you did do pct?
i didn't lose them that quick actually. and pct wouldn't matter either way
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Pct does NOT make you keep gains. Jesus H Christ!!!!!!!!!!!
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i didn't lose them that quick actually. and pct wouldn't matter either way
say u gain 15lbs
what is left of it by the start of the next cycle after 8 wks off
is it realistic to expect to be able to get bigger cycle by cycle
or are you just yoyo-ing between cycles
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Shut the fuck up Bluto.
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Pct does NOT make you keep gains. Jesus H Christ!!!!!!!!!!!
if it can restore natural production faster you would lose your gains at a slower rate?
that's what I was implying
not that you can keep them
if you can keep half untill next cycle you can build new gains on half of old gains
if not it's pointless
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if it can restore natural production faster you would lose your gains at a slower rate?
that's what I was implying
not that you can keep them
if you can keep half untill next cycle you can build new gains on half of old gains
if not it's pointless
NO! Bringing them back up to what they were before which wasn't enuff for gains in the first place will not allow you to keep any amount of drug induced gains
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say u gain 15lbs
what is left of it by the start of the next cycle after 8 wks off
is it realistic to expect to be able to get bigger cycle by cycle
or are you just yoyo-ing between cycles
yo-yoing... that's a nice word. and it pretty much fits here. i was 15 weeks on test e at 750mg and equipose (don't remember how much). if it remember correctly, i gained something close to 14-15lbs of lean muscle (not counting water), went off COMPLETELY, then sloooooowly lost more than half of it over those 2 and a half months i was off...
so there you go
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NO! Bringing them back up to what they were before which wasn't enuff for gains in the first place will not allow you to keep any amount of drug induced gains
but keeping them surpressed below normal levels will cause you to lose them even faster?
so doing pct makes gains stay longer?
or is it a meaningless difference compared to steroided levels
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but keeping them surpressed below normal levels will cause you to lose them even faster?
so doing pct makes gains stay longer?
or is it a meaningless difference compared to steroided levels
if i would ever do pct, i'd rather shoot hcg
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yo-yoing... that's a nice word. and it pretty much fits here. i was 15 weeks on test e at 750mg and equipose (don't remember how much). if it remember correctly, i gained something close to 14-15lbs of lean muscle (not counting water), went off COMPLETELY, then sloooooowly lost more than half of it over those 2 and a half months i was off...
so there you go
pretty pointless
better stay on half that dose year round?
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pretty pointless
better stay on half that dose year round?
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i would cruise on 500-1000mg of test e and a gram of eq all year (eq is near damn harmless either way), then occasionally switch test to prop and add trenbolona when you need to look REAL good
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Why come off? ::)
Its healthy to stay on steroids and never come off? ???
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post a pic Igor90, I would like to see what you have achieved.
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Its healthy to stay on steroids and never come off? ???
You don't use roids to be 'healthy'.
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post a pic Igor90, I would like to see what you have achieved.
sorry bro, i don't post pictures of myself on this or any other forums. i took a long time off from gear, and now i'm back at 6'2 200-203 lbs 7-8% bf, which isn't much as you can see. i'm planning on going on a permacycle starting this summer though. wanna get back in the game :)
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but keeping them surpressed below normal levels will cause you to lose them even faster?
so doing pct makes gains stay longer?
or is it a meaningless difference compared to steroided levels
NO!!!!!
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Fuck the pct and stay on. Stop being an over thinking vagina. :D
If I were Hector Salamanca, I would respond to this post thusly:
DINGDINGDINGDINGDINGDING! :)
Staying on is something I already recommended to you, A.Halo. Even if it's only 250mg of Test E./wk., that's not so bad IMHO. I also know dudes who actually bridge cycles with, believe it or not, orals. This one local dude -- decent build, a bit fat like me but surprisingly weak for his size -- swears by going off injections and onto whatever pills he can afford at the time (usually Dianabol). He actually maintains and sometimes improves upon old PRs during that period. He benched three ... ah, shit. What was it? 380? Yeah, 380, for the first time not all that long ago while was "between cycles" and swilling DBols like M&M's :(
What can I say? :) I've done my best with the man. At some point, I have to wash my hands of him :D
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no, with long esters the deflation happens quite suddenly from about the 3rd month.
before that, youll even look your best ever, bc the water under skin is pissed out.
on shoert esters, the deflation is quite immediate.
and no, not all gains vanish.just keepon training and eating.
and yeah why come off
i want to stay on but
i'm still paranoid about if the finasteride + test thing is "working"
technically it should work
but to be safe i decided to come off for 2 months, since this littleanabolic is born i havent been able to dedicate 100% anyway
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no, with long esters the deflation happens quite suddenly from about the 3rd month.
before that, youll even look your best ever, bc the water under skin is pissed out.
on shoert esters, the deflation is quite immediate.
and no, not all gains vanish.just keepon training and eating.
and yeah why come off
is it true that you can and should build up with a higher dose and then use a lower dose to maintain?
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Its healthy to stay on steroids and never come off? ???
I was being slightly facetious Adam but since you asked. I certainly would never recommend someone stay on steroids long term. I do know more than one person who have been on mainly for more than 20 years and they seem to be fine even after getting their yearly check ups.
What I don't like to see is someone buying a bottle of dbol and then being told they need to follow up with hcg nolvadex and clomid maybe some letro thinking this in someway makes it "safer" while in reality they are damaging their healthy with these drugs some of which are potent cancer drugs.
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is it true that you can and should build up with a higher dose and then use a lower dose to maintain?
I know you didn't ask me but the higher the dose the bigger you get decrease the dose and you get smaller. It's very simple.
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I know you didn't ask me but the higher the dose the bigger you get decrease the dose and you get smaller. It's very simple.
ok, and that really fucking sucks, but thanks for the honest answer
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ok, and that really fucking sucks, but thanks for the honest answer
It doesn't take a very high dose to build a decent physique. That is the good news.
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I know you didn't ask me but the higher the dose the bigger you get decrease the dose and you get smaller. It's very simple.
did RC blast and cruize or blast for 5 years in a row? when approaching his final form
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did RC blast and cruize or blast for 5 years in a row? when approaching his final form
He's a walking pharmacy.
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I know you didn't ask me but the higher the dose the bigger you get decrease the dose and you get smaller. It's very simple.
disgusted would your theory of the best way to use anabolics be slowly but continuously increasing the dosage upwards when your current dosage has been maxed out by yourself? and what would you consider the right time to increase the dose each time or how long shud u wait when u hit a wall to make sure uve maxed out that dose ?
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Fuck the pct and stay on. Stop being an over thinking vagina. :D
this.
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Shut the fuck up Bluto.
makes you wonder if bluto is some kind of shut in. for the past 10 years hes run countless user names.
guy has issues no doubt. nobody can be online as much as this guy is and have any kind of 'normal' life.
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disgusted would your theory of the best way to use anabolics be slowly but continuously increasing the dosage upwards when your current dosage has been maxed out by yourself? and what would you consider the right time to increase the dose each time or how long shud u wait when u hit a wall to make sure uve maxed out that dose ?
use enough anabolics to slowly build a quality physique over time, and once there reduce the amounts use gh and maintain. i strongly believe you can maintain quality gains made over a lengthy period of time using a fraction of the mg's used to actually get there as long as you are using gh.
now, if you put on 30 pounds in one year boatloading anabolics, gh and insulin, and expect to keep them on 50mg of prop eod and 4 iu of gh a day your going to be severely disappointed. build a quality physique over time, using moderate amounts of anabolics and you should be able to retain a good portion of those gains on a fraction of what it takes to get there.
all you lose is the 'look' the compounds give. the fullness, the tightness or whatever. the cell does not atrophy to nothing as it is still being trained. theres a direct correlation between atrophy and strength as well and thats the key to the whole thing really.
class dismissed.
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anabolichalo needs to decide if he wants hair or muscles. haha
never seen a guy more paranoid about going bald. quite funny
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disgusted would your theory of the best way to use anabolics be slowly but continuously increasing the dosage upwards when your current dosage has been maxed out by yourself? and what would you consider the right time to increase the dose each time or how long shud u wait when u hit a wall to make sure uve maxed out that dose ?
Generally I tell people to let yourself to grow into a dose. Too many people raise the dose far too quick when they can still be growing on a decent dose. Come off once in a while but too many guys do the 8 to 12 weeks then come off far to long and make the huge mistake of thinking some hcg is gonna magically allow them to hold on to all their gains.
On the flip side of the coin there's a guy named Ramy ;D
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How powerful are those gels and patches compared to all the other stuff and wouldn`t that be easier to do then all the injecting and pill taking?
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How powerful are those gels and patches compared to all the other stuff and wouldn`t that be easier to do then all the injecting and pill taking?
Not even close.
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How powerful are those gels and patches compared to all the other stuff and wouldn`t that be easier to do then all the injecting and pill taking?
more for 'noodle'than muscle building ability,,,
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How powerful are those gels and patches compared to all the other stuff and wouldn`t that be easier to do then all the injecting and pill taking?
remember tbumbz???better stay natural that way lol
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more for 'noodle'than muscle building ability,,,
true that. I have 'noodle' probs on my test e. doctor is gonna have to up my dose or give me more frequent injections. freaky weird shit and I blew $60 on an escort that I felt ripped off on
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Why come off?
Then u would be fully depend on steroids the rest of ur life after u chemically castrate yourself...
I personally hate when my balls shrivel up,,, love having big balls sometimes!
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anabolichalo needs to decide if he wants hair or muscles. haha
never seen a guy more paranoid about going bald. quite funny
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Super girly of him constantly worrying about hair.
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Super girly of him constantly worrying about hair.
Just use deca alone! Hair>>>deca dick
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Super girly of him constantly worrying about hair.
they got great toupee's nowadays anyway.
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Why come off?
Then u would be fully depend on steroids the rest of ur life after u chemically castrate yourself...
I personally hate when my balls shrivel up,,, love having big balls sometimes!
You assume a lot.. First just because someone uses massive amounts doesn't mean that person won't have a sex drive and it also doesn't mean he will be dependent on steroids the rest of his life. I've seen it all and I know lots of guys who quit, are normal and have children.
Example, I was just sitting with a friend of mine yesterday who used to compete and did his last show about 10 years ago. This guy used to abuse the shit out of deca and never had a problem. His last show he was using 2500 mgs DAILY!! He has a 2yr old son btw.
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Just use deca alone! Hair>>>deca dick
test + finasteride = dht levels down = no hairloss
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test + finasteride = dht levels down = no hairloss
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i have severe baldness problems in my family, i think it's father's side
ran test at 1g per week w/o finasteride (although i had it on hand), had no problems
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You assume a lot.. First just because someone uses massive amounts doesn't mean that person won't have a sex drive and it also doesn't mean he will be dependent on steroids the rest of his life. I've seen it all and I know lots of guys who quit, are normal and have children.
Example, I was just sitting with a friend of mine yesterday who used to compete and did his last show about 10 years ago. This guy used to abuse the shit out of deca and never had a problem. His last show he was using 2500 mgs DAILY!! He has a 2yr old son btw.
a bottle of deca a day...17,500mg a wk lol. i know u need massive dosages to be pro size but surely this is way beyond the point of diminishing returns esp since its jus one steroid and not a combination of many so what was his theory or why did he take so much deca? or how cud u combat the water weight that wud bring ? while im on the topic i was reading over your old posts for hours the other night, which i must say are always solid shit and certainly one of the best posters on this board, anyway i did see a post where you mentioned talking to vic richards and said that his favourites were tren/eq and that he mentioned dosages .......so maybe if your in a good mood your might care to share what those were :) or in a pm ! or any other info he might have mentioned as ive a feeling he was big on orals also . i do enjoying hearing these kind of stories !
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Ok I got some info form him. First sorry for the confusion he was not just taking deca this was his total contest mgs. He was doing 12,500 mgs weekly counting orals. He wasn't injecting everyday he said prob 5 days a week. Still that's a shit ton.
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Ok I got some info form him. First sorry for the confusion he was not just taking deca this was his total contest mgs. He was doing 12,500 mgs weekly counting orals. He wasn't injecting everyday he said prob 5 days a week. Still that's a shit ton.
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wtf. whoever thinks competitive bbing isnt an all drugs pursuit should pay special attention to this.
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test + finasteride = dht levels down = no hairloss
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do a google search on the long terms effects of this shit bro.
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do a google search on the long terms effects of this shit bro.
fuck no
i dont wanna know
i just wanna be big and keep my hair
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fuck no
i dont wanna know
i just wanna be big and keep my hair
GOOD LUCK,,,
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Finasteride made me dizzy as shit and face me huge anxiety and panic attacks, thought I was going to die! So f the test plus fin, deca never have me issues and builds solid muscle ( maybe I am the only one?, crazy)
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Finasteride made me dizzy as shit and face me huge anxiety and panic attacks, thought I was going to die! So f the test plus fin, deca never have me issues and builds solid muscle ( maybe I am the only one?, crazy)
you can take finasteride with nandrolone
so u can still lose ur hair since ur not taking finasteride
even tho nandrolone by itself may slow hairloss???????
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fuck no
i dont wanna know
i just wanna be big and keep my hair
Just stick to low doses....be bigger than natty, stay pretty and keep your hair.
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fuck no
i dont wanna know
i just wanna be big and keep my hair
do you want to keep your dick hard?
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Just stick to low doses....be bigger than natty, stay pretty and keep your hair.
yeah sure
but can i stay on low doses permanent? or can finasteride hold off elevated test only for so long?
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yeah sure
but can i stay on low doses permanent? or can finasteride hold off elevated test only for so long?
I'll let you know in how it all worked out in 20 years...
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do you want to keep your dick hard?
i'm on 2.5mg finasteride per day and dick works fine
those "side effect" fables don't affect me
and if my dick goes limp i can take cialis
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i'm on 2.5mg finasteride per day and dick works fine
those "side effect" fables don't affect me
and if my dick goes limp i can take cialis
so you're afraid of losing hair and not afraid of becoming impotent... wow,,
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how long are you going to use the term cycle, all that means is the person referring and using the term cycle follows the protocol regimen which is universal or used by another person, you need to quit using testosterone only and calling it a cycle, and asking stupid questions on a board that the majority of members dont even lift.............if you want to do a real regimen, get off getbig, buy about 20 different drugs and start mixing them and taking them and find out what works and what you respond too, then you wont have to use the stupid term cycle ever again.
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Just stick to low doses....be bigger than natty, stay pretty and keep your hair.
agreed
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both issues are fixable anyway.
one with viagra etc the other with 3k usd hair transplant in turkey.
on top of that, everyone should calculate in a gyno op sooner or later.
with these 3 things in mind,theres no need to ever panic about anything nomore.
anti estrogens, fuck them, pct fuck that, its all bs leading to other problems.
and yes, the word cycle is bit stupid.
a cycle lasts 52 weeks per year roughly.
going off is done when one doesnt feel like training full out for a while.or for holidays etc.
well said. i would also add that going off is an option when you're visiting another country or some shit like that. unless you have the gear ready and waiting for you there, of course
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or are you back where you started by the time you have the next cycle
you will lose most of your gains, you will gain less each cycle and will need to take more to do so until your receptors are shot then you wont gain at all.....
best thing to do is take a long time between cycles........ pct just gets your body back to normal levels, you will not keep 500mg of test muscle when you stop having 500mg of test....
ignore the roid heads who say you wont lose anything.... they say that because of the illness
in all honesty, unless you take shit loads of roids for years on end its worthless.....
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you will lose most of your gains, you will gain less each cycle and will need to take more to do so until your receptors are shot then you wont gain at all.....
best thing to do is take a long time between cycles........ pct just gets your body back to normal levels, you will not keep 500mg of test muscle when you stop having 500mg of test....
ignore the roid heads who say you wont lose anything.... they say that because of the illness
in all honesty, unless you take shit loads of roids for years on end its worthless.....
what do you know of it? have you ever used anabolics? no. so you have no clue what your talking about, because if you had, you wouldn't be writing such stupidity. and I call it stupidity only cause I'm being polite.
do everyone a favour 'jodsey'- there's enough Internet know-it-alls spreading misinformation under the guise of trying to look intelligent. save that shit for those boards. this is Getbig. not bbing.com. save the wanting to look the part for those boards.
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so you're afraid of losing hair and not afraid of becoming impotent... wow,,
of course
impotence is but a minor problem which can easily be treated with cialis levitra viagra whatever who needs sex anyway
hair is one of the most important part of a man's appearance
people who are in the process of going bald and say
"just buzz it/shave it"
dont realize the worst is yet to come for them
once they dont have the norwood 3 stubble on their heads anymore and progress into norwood toilet seat mode with shiny head in the middle with some aging spots and such forming
they will be crying a river
or oblivious to the fact to how much everyone around them is in utter disgust at their scalps
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of course
impotence is but a minor problem which can easily be treated with cialis levitra viagra whatever who needs sex anyway
hair is one of the most important part of a man's appearance
people who are in the process of going bald and say
"just buzz it/shave it"
dont realize the worst is yet to come for them
once they dont have the norwood 3 stubble on their heads anymore and progress into norwood toilet seat mode with shiny head in the middle with some aging spots and such forming
they will be crying a river
or oblivious to the fact to how much everyone around them is in utter disgust at their scalps
this is why new ear fitted caps were invented. I used to own about 50 caps. now I only got a few different style of hats. i'm pretty bald with a fucked up hairline most of my life.
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both issues are fixable anyway.
one with viagra etc the other with 3k usd hair transplant in turkey.
on top of that, everyone should calculate in a gyno op sooner or later.
with these 3 things in mind,theres no need to ever panic about anything nomore.
anti estrogens, fuck them, pct fuck that, its all bs leading to other problems.
and yes, the word cycle is bit stupid.
a cycle lasts 52 weeks per year roughly.
going off is done when one doesnt feel like training full out for a while.or for holidays etc.
i know you have glorious hair so your ignorance on the matter is understandable and excused
but allow me to correct this fallacy that hairloss is fixable
a hair transplant is just redistributing remaining hair on the head
the only way it will look good is when the person catches hairloss early, stabilizes with finasteride/dutasteride when he still has a lot of hair
and then when stable for 3-5yrs he can have a successful hair transplant to fix the bald areas
if there is too much baldness and too little hair the transplant "solution" will look like palumbo's scalp
moral of the story: if u notice hairloss instantly get on finasteride, ask questions later, do not put it off with "oh well i fix it with transplant later, i dont get on finasteride, i dont want to go impotent" ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
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NO!!!!!
what halo is saying is coming off gear to your natural levels is the lesser of 2 evils, versus coming of gear to extremely lower levels and he is right, what is the problem?
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what halo is saying is coming off gear to your natural levels is the lesser of 2 evils, versus coming of gear to extremely lower levels and he is right, what is the problem?
he seems to imply that the difference would be negligible
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man, anabolchao, lol, dont overly worry yourself about the hairloss thing, the worry itself will make them fall out.
put 3k aside with genetic predisposition itll happen even with finasteride.
i know ppl who done hairtransplant, they have the scalp of a 20 year old.
yeah, i got the lucky draw as far hair goes :D
3k will get you a turkish butcher
while you need a canadian specialist (more like 20k)
and my theory is correct according to all the hardcore/desperate hairloss boards
without stabilizing it early on and for life with finasteride, transplant is not the magic bullet solution
it's just moving your hair around over a larger surface after all, if it's already thin as fuck as well as receded, guess what it will look like when spreading it out over the entire noggin?
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he seems to imply that the difference would be negligible
well obviously your natural levels will not sustain your knew growth from ass but the difference is not as small as people think, most would not even be in the mood to go to the gym without proper restoration of their natural production
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i know you have glorious hair so your ignorance on the matter is understandable and excused
but allow me to correct this fallacy that hairloss is fixable
a hair transplant is just redistributing remaining hair on the head
the only way it will look good is when the person catches hairloss early, stabilizes with finasteride/dutasteride when he still has a lot of hair
and then when stable for 3-5yrs he can have a successful hair transplant to fix the bald areas
if there is too much baldness and too little hair the transplant "solution" will look like palumbo's scalp
moral of the story: if u notice hairloss instantly get on finasteride, ask questions later, do not put it off with "oh well i fix it with transplant later, i dont get on finasteride, i dont want to go impotent" ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
Yeah even after a transplant a doc will put you on finasteride. I hear what galeniko is saying but for most people who care its hard to just sit back with your arms crossed. If at some point in time you decide you've had it with the hair loss meds then you can throw in the towel and watch it fall out.
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what halo is saying is coming off gear to your natural levels is the lesser of 2 evils, versus coming of gear to extremely lower levels and he is right, what is the problem?
Not sure if I am understanding you 100%, but I know of plenty of guys who haven't taken hcg clomid what ever and they're blood work isn't reflective of normal test levels even after PCT. Maybe on paper it might look like that but in reality no. Also, I think he meant that bringing your levels up would help keep your gains. Not a chance in hell that is going to happen.
Some of these guys are jacking so much test it will take months to get their ratio back to normal so what a little HCG going to do? Nothing! A buddy of mine got busted many years ago. He was put on probation for couple years. This guy was on nothing for bout 2 years. His test ratio was 25:1 when he first got tested. He was told that as long as his levels kept dropping they would consider him clean as far a the testosterone usage went. After 15 months his levels finally dropped to what was considered "normal" the were at 6:1. In that amount of time this guy DID NOT lose all that much size and his sex drive didn't suffer at all. So all these guys that worry so much that everything is gonna go to shit in a few weeks are listening to too much bro science.
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Not sure if I am understanding you 100%, but I know of plenty of guys who haven't taken hcg clomid what ever and they're blood work isn't reflective of normal test levels even after PCT. Maybe on paper it might look like that but in reality no. Also, I think he meant that bringing your levels up would help keep your gains. Not a chance in hell that is going to happen.
Some of these guys are jacking so much test it will take months to get their [b]ratio back to normal so what a little HCG going to do? Nothing![/b] A buddy of mine got busted many years ago. He was put on probation for couple years. This guy was on nothing for bout 2 years. His test ratio was 25:1 when he first got tested. He was told that as long as his levels kept dropping they would consider him clean as far a the testosterone usage went. After 15 months his levels finally dropped to what was considered "normal" the were at 6:1. In that amount of time this guy DID NOT lose all that much size and his sex drive didn't suffer at all. So all these guys that worry so much that everything is gonna go to shit in a few weeks are listening to too much bro science.
Depends, are we talking 15 years here or 6 months cause I have been as high as 3 grams per week and HCG bring my levels in very good and without PCT I am simply not in the mood to get up and go move weights around. See my other post, of course it is not holding your AAS gains obviously but it makes a big difference for me and many others, I am big believer in PCT and I probably will never take PCT ever again cause I am an even bigger believer in staying on.
My test levels go super low after just looking at any type of juice and they don't come back right away. I am a fanatic for blood work, I get it done every few months year round every year so I know how my body works and neglecting to try in restore my levels when off makes me feel like shit.
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yeah some ppl sex drive and ability even increases during the alleged time where they should use pct.
hell i know ppl who made kids while being on juice non stop for years, during "cycle".
pct is lying to oneself, not even a hrt doc can get pct right for a single person, let alone there beeing some 1size fits all rule.
@anabolchao, lol at turkish butcher, but they do their job right.
On the flip side I tried to have my second child for months and months while juicing and nothing, when I drop the HCG, boom my girl was pregnant, so saying it does not work in totally wrong.
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I don't know what the problem is, just use deca! It binds to the androgen receptor a little so I remain hornyier and get it up fine without test and gain muscle without fear of hairloss
Maybe me and lee priest are the only two exceptions to the rule
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I'd love to run some orals with TRT again but they are checking my blood quite frequently now and don't wanna fuck up my shots. Was going with M1-T but the guy I got them from ran out and It was $120 a bottle anyway.
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Not sure if I am understanding you 100%, but I know of plenty of guys who haven't taken hcg clomid what ever and they're blood work isn't reflective of normal test levels even after PCT. Maybe on paper it might look like that but in reality no. Also, I think he meant that bringing your levels up would help keep your gains. Not a chance in hell that is going to happen.
Some of these guys are jacking so much test it will take months to get their ratio back to normal so what a little HCG going to do? Nothing! A buddy of mine got busted many years ago. He was put on probation for couple years. This guy was on nothing for bout 2 years. His test ratio was 25:1 when he first got tested. He was told that as long as his levels kept dropping they would consider him clean as far a the testosterone usage went. After 15 months his levels finally dropped to what was considered "normal" the were at 6:1. In that amount of time this guy DID NOT lose all that much size and his sex drive didn't suffer at all. So all these guys that worry so much that everything is gonna go to shit in a few weeks are listening to too much bro science.
not at all.... i simply asked if you would lose your gains at a slower rate than without pct......
lol @ keep gains permanently.....
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not at all.... i simply asked if you would lose your gains at a slower rate than without pct......
lol @ keep gains permanently.....
The answer is no.