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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/28/trayvon-martin-text-messages-photos_n_3345629.html
Fix is in. They can discuss Zimm's past but not Ashtrayvons'?
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good, let's have a trial on what happen that night
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good, let's have a trial on what happen that night
Thug was casing houses, thugging up the hood, high on weed, pants around ass w a hoodie swearing out lyrics to NWA, Zimm asked him to leave politely, zimm asked tray if he needed cookies and milk, tray hits zimm and bashes his head into the pavement, zimm tells him to stop, tray says going to kill zimm, zimm gun goes off by accident and shoots tray.
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George Zimmerman's Lawyers Can't Talk About Trayvon Martin's Pot Use In Court
Pamela Engel|45 minutes ago|2|
ABC
A judge ruled today that much of Florida teenager Trayvon Martin's past — including his pot use and school suspensions — will be likely inadmissible at trial.
But George Zimmerman's defense team has already released photos and text messages from Martin's cellphone. Litigation psychologist Amy Singer tells us that move was meant to expose potential jurors to as much information as possible before trial.
"It shows how intelligent they are," Singer said about Zimmerman's defense team. "If they were smart they'd pick people … who have read and heard everything and say 'I think [Zimmerman] is innocent.'"
Zimmerman — who is charged with second-degree murder in the shooting death of Martin — and his attorney Mark O'Mara have been openly discussing the case on the Internet, on television and in in-depth newspaper interviews.
At a hearing Tuesday morning, a judge denied the state's motion for a gag order in the case.
Despite O'Mara's apparent willingness to release much information to the public via a website about the case, he expressed concern that a jury might not be able to hear the case "without outside influence" and moved to sequester the jury pool. That request was denied.
"The big challenge now is going to be jurors facing a lynch-mob mentality," Singer said.
Martin family lawyer Benjamin Crump accused O'Mara of "polluting the jury pool" by releasing information on Martin's past.
A judge also ruled Tuesday that:
The defense cannot bring up Martin's past marijuana use, school suspensions or fights at trial without clearing "several legal hurdles."
The defense cannot mention during opening arguments that traces of THC, the active ingredient in marijuana, were found in Martin's system.
The jury will not be allowed to visit the scene of the crime.
The trial will not be delayed, as the defense requested, and will begin June 10.
Jurors in the case will not be named during the trial, and reporters won't be allowed to photograph them.
Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/george-zimmermans-2013-5#ixzz2UbmkRnGr
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This is evidence that Zimmerman attacked Trayvon first.
Weed makes you relaxed not aggressive.
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This is evidence that Zimmerman attacked Trayvon first.
Weed makes you relaxed not aggressive.
Maybe he was like OTWINK and mixing chooms, weed, coke, crack, booze, etc?
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trayvon was walking back to his father's home with his deadly skittles and a soda,zimm driving around feeling big and bad with his gun see's a skinny ni@@er boy walking and thinks to himself,i can look big and bad with my gun if i herrass this easy target.chases him around after being told not to starts something and gets his ass kicked,so like the coward he is he pulls out his equalizer and shots him
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trayvon was walking back to his father's home with his deadly skittles and a soda,zimm driving around feeling big and bad with his gun see's a skinny ni@@er boy walking and thinks to himself,i can look big and bad with my gun if i herrass this easy target.chases him around after being told not to starts something and gets his ass kicked,so like the coward he is he pulls out his equalizer and shots him
What you expect - Zimm was a ghettosuperstar and Zimm a little pudgy mexi/jew
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Fix is in.
Let's put the system on trial. Good call. That usually works out for defendants.
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I think it's all relevant.
If Zimmerman is indeed 1) assaulting LEO, 2) sexually abusing cousin 3) racist stuff with family 4) domestic abuse...
Then tell the jury that. Tell them about trayvon's stuff too. Give them background on both of them - then talk about what happened that day. The "violent thug" ran to get away from the "molesting wife beating cop assaulter". The fact we hear ZImm telling us that trayvon is running away, i think it boils down to that. I'd expect the guy who pushes cops to chase and the pothead to run. Sure.
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I think it's all relevant.
If Zimmerman is indeed 1) assaulting LEO, 2) sexually abusing cousin 3) racist stuff with family 4) domestic abuse...
Then tell the jury that. Tell them about trayvon's stuff too. Give them background on both of them - then talk about what happened that day. The "violent thug" ran to get away from the "molesting wife beating cop assaulter". The fact we hear ZImm telling us that trayvon is running away, i think it boils down to that. I'd expect the guy who pushes cops to chase and the pothead to run. Sure.
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/28/trayvon-martin-text-messages-photos_n_3345629.html
Fix is in. They can discuss Zimm's past but not Ashtrayvons'?
Zimmerman has a criminal record. Trayvon didn't have one.....there's no fix in silly rabbit
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Zimmerman has a criminal record. Trayvon didn't have one.....there's no fix in silly rabbit
Really? What crime was he convicted of?
And I imagine the only reason Martin didn't have a criminal record was because he was a kid. Absent some pretty big life changes, he was destined for the criminal justice system.
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Really? What crime was he convicted of?
And I imagine the only reason Martin didn't have a criminal record was because he was a kid. Absent some pretty big life changes, he was destined for the criminal justice system.
He was 17....old enough to have one as a juvi. In any event, all of the info on Trayvon was not relevant and the judge was right on in not making it admissible in count
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He was 17....old enough to have one as a juvi. In any event, all of the info on Trayvon was not relevant and the judge was right on in not making it admissible in count
What is Zimmerman's criminal record?
Actually the judge said some of it might come in later.
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What is Zimmerman's criminal record?
Actually the judge said some of it might come in later.
In 2005, Zimmerman was arrested and charged with "resisting officer with violence" and "battery of law enforcement officer." Both these felonies are considered third-degree. Due to his desperate attempts, the charges were reduced to "resisting officer without violence" and then the only remaining charge was also completely waived off when he entered an alcohol education program.
In the same year (2005), Zimmerman's ex-fiance, Veronica Zuazo, filed a civil motion for a restraining order, alleging domestic violence. In retaliation, Zimmerman filed for a retraining order against Zuazo and both these claims were resolved with both restraining orders granted.
www.lmgtfy.com
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In 2005, Zimmerman was arrested and charged with "resisting officer with violence" and "battery of law enforcement officer." Both these felonies are considered third-degree. Due to his desperate attempts, the charges were reduced to "resisting officer without violence" and then the only remaining charge was also completely waived off when he entered an alcohol education program.
In the same year (2005), Zimmerman's ex-fiance, Veronica Zuazo, filed a civil motion for a restraining order, alleging domestic violence. In retaliation, Zimmerman filed for a retraining order against Zuazo and both these claims were resolved with both restraining orders granted.
www.lmgtfy.com
whatever bro... Trayvon martin was a 17 year old boy that took pictures with smoke in his mouth and he drank juice in public... he had to die
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whatever bro... Trayvon martin was a 15 year old boy that took pictures with smoke in his mouth and he drank juice in public... he had to die
yeah, i can see that. Zimmerman was only doing his civic duty.
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In 2005, Zimmerman was arrested and charged with "resisting officer with violence" and "battery of law enforcement officer." Both these felonies are considered third-degree. Due to his desperate attempts, the charges were reduced to "resisting officer without violence" and then the only remaining charge was also completely waived off when he entered an alcohol education program.
In the same year (2005), Zimmerman's ex-fiance, Veronica Zuazo, filed a civil motion for a restraining order, alleging domestic violence. In retaliation, Zimmerman filed for a retraining order against Zuazo and both these claims were resolved with both restraining orders granted.
www.lmgtfy.com
Did you actually read this? lol
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Did you actually read this? lol
yep. I read about a guy who had the audacity to put his hands on a woman and put his hands on a cop. He's a bag of shit.
Do I think he would put his hands on a 'punk' or an 'asshole' he thought stole his bike, who was running from him? yes I do.
If Trayvon had domestic abuse charges and had plead out pushing a cop, and he had told 911 that Zimmerman was RUNNING AWAY, I think these items woudl somehow be relevant ;)
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yep. I read about a guy who had the audacity to put his hands on a woman and put his hands on a cop. He's a bag of shit.
Do I think he would put his hands on a 'punk' or an 'asshole' he thought stole his bike, who was running from him? yes I do.
If Trayvon had domestic abuse charges and had plead out pushing a cop, and he had told 911 that Zimmerman was RUNNING AWAY, I think these items woudl somehow be relevant ;)
Your fake moral outrage is hilarious. You are so emotionally tied to this case, I hope zimmerman walks just to watch you have a meltdown and watch the pathetic excuses roll out OD you just like every other time you're wrong.
You're ao full of shit that its coming out of your ears, and the funny part is that you actually believe the shit you're spewing. You should be a car salesman.
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At the rate he is going Zimmerman is going to kill himself with food before the trial ends or maybe the plan is to get so fat that he won't fit in a jail cell
It looks like he spent all the money that he got from his website on pizza and beer (and ice cream and cookies and god knows what else)
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Did you actually read this? lol
Its documented and those people are going to testify AGAINST Zimmerman in the case because they are still alive unlike Trayvon. And while his lawyer got his charges reduced, it was a police officer that charged him with it...and HE will be testifying as well.
Like I said, Zimmerman is toast. Everything from his past has come back to haunt him
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Did you actually read this? lol
Sad, but he doesn't read anything. He just cuts and paste and hopes against all hope that he doesn't look like an idiot.
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Its documented and those people are going to testify AGAINST Zimmerman in the case because they are still alive unlike Trayvon. And while his lawyer got his charges reduced, it was a police officer that charged him with it...and HE will be testifying as well.
Like I said, Zimmerman is toast. Everything from his past has come back to haunt him
Who exactly is going to testify against Zimmerman?
I seriously doubt Zimmerman will be convicted. I have seen ZERO evidence that he murdered that kid. He should have never been indicted. If anything, it should have gone to a grand jury.
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Who exactly is going to testify against Zimmerman?
I seriously doubt Zimmerman will be convicted. I have seen ZERO evidence that he murdered that kid. He should have never been indicted. If anything, it should have gone to a grand jury.
I think he's pretty much been tried in the media by this point. Good luck finding impartial jurors...
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I think he's pretty much been tried in the media by this point. Good luck finding impartial jurors...
Will be hard, but not impossible.
Remember this picture?
(http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/MSNBC/Components/Photo/_new/130528-trayvon-martin-jsw-849p.380;380;7;70;0.jpg)
This is the image I had of him initially. Turned out to be very misleading.
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Will be hard, but not impossible.
Remember this picture?
(http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/MSNBC/Components/Photo/_new/130528-trayvon-martin-jsw-849p.380;380;7;70;0.jpg)
This is the image I had of him initially. Turned out to be very misleading.
Yeah because the other pictures make him a horrible kid that deserves to be shot..
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Yeah because the other pictures make him a horrible kid that deserves to be shot..
No. The other pictures give us a more accurate picture of a little thug who was stupid enough to beat up an armed man.
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No. The other pictures give us a more accurate picture of a little thug who was stupid enough to beat up an armed man.
I'll bet that armed man wishes his fat ass had stayed in the truck like he was told to do
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Will be hard, but not impossible.
Remember this picture?
(http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/MSNBC/Components/Photo/_new/130528-trayvon-martin-jsw-849p.380;380;7;70;0.jpg)
This is the image I had of him initially. Turned out to be very misleading.
Oh I agree. Both sides are attempting to try this in the media. Guess we'll see what the jury has to say, but I am somewhat concerned if they only allow character to be brought in for Zimmerman and not Trayvon. Keep it fair for both sides, IMO.
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Oh I agree. Both sides are attempting to try this in the media. Guess we'll see what the jury has to say, but I am somewhat concerned if they only allow character to be brought in for Zimmerman and not Trayvon. Keep it fair for both sides, IMO.
Yeah. Agree. Would surprise me if the allegations about Zimmerman come in. Only thing I think they should allow about Martin are the texts about him fighting, getting suspended from school for fighting, and the marijuana use.
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Yeah because the other pictures make him a horrible kid that deserves to be shot..
nobody said he deserved to be killed Mal, dont be a fool though and think the media didnt try to paint a MUCH DIFFERENT picture of trayvon than reality.
In reality the kid was a punk much like many kids his age just like I was at his age. The kid was a little shit, plain and simple did he deserve to die no but dont sit there and act like this kid was a saint b/c we all know the score.
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I disagree.
I'm pretty sure he deserved to be killed.
Now, the lovely young man brutally murdered by Miami police during Urban Beach week 2011-- that was a callous act of injustice.
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nobody said he deserved to be killed Mal, dont be a fool though and think the media didnt try to paint a MUCH DIFFERENT picture of trayvon than reality.
In reality the kid was a punk much like many kids his age just like I was at his age. The kid was a little shit, plain and simple did he deserve to die no but dont sit there and act like this kid was a saint b/c we all know the score.
ill take this response all day long.
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ill take this response all day long.
I think that's pretty much how all of us feel, I don't think anyone believes he deserved to die.. what happened was regrettable but the fact is hee took his life in his hands when he decided to keep it real and he's now dead. There is probably a thousand different ways he could have responded to being followed that would have kept him alive.... But he chose confrontation and he paid the price.
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No. The other pictures give us a more accurate picture of a little thug who was stupid enough to beat up an armed man.
if trayvon was such a murderous punk....
Whey did he not start a fight with zimmerman at the front of the park? Instead, he ran away, by zimm's words.
if they had just thrown down at pack entracnce, I could see your point. But this? He fled. Kind of hard to sell him as a streetfighting thug when he ran to get away.
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if trayvon was such a murderous punk....
Whey did he not start a fight with zimmerman at the front of the park? Instead, he ran away, by zimm's words.
if they had just thrown down at pack entracnce, I could see your point. But this? He fled. Kind of hard to sell him as a streetfighting thug when he ran to get away.
I dont think i have ever seen you as emotionally invested in anything before like this case. ha ha ha ha ha
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I dont think i have ever seen you as emotionally invested in anything before like this case. ha ha ha ha ha
well, I think there will be a MAJOR backlash against people who legally use their weapons to protect themselves, for a decade to come.
If Zimm is aquitted, you'll have 50 million potential jurors ready to issue their own brand of revenge/justice for it. If you or I have to leally use our weapon to save our life, we may face these jurors who have seen Zimm walk. Make sense? How many accused wife beaters got the book thrown at them following the OJ acquittal? You don't think juries take revenge later? OJ got what, 25 years in prison for stealing his own shit back from some shady dealers... nobody gets that long. They waited 20+ years for revenge.
Watch and see... the next legal/justified shooter will be screwed because "we're getting revenge for travon..."
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http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/05/29/3422519/lawyer-zimmerman-prosecutor-withheld.html
Fix is in
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if trayvon was such a murderous punk....
Whey did he not start a fight with zimmerman at the front of the park? Instead, he ran away, by zimm's words.
if they had just thrown down at pack entracnce, I could see your point. But this? He fled. Kind of hard to sell him as a streetfighting thug when he ran to get away.
Nobody called Martin a "murderous punk."
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http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/05/29/3422519/lawyer-zimmerman-prosecutor-withheld.html
Fix is in
It's bad they withheld evidence, but what I want to see is evidence showing Zimmerman murdered the kid. Haven't seen a shred yet.
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It's bad they withheld evidence, but what I want to see is evidence showing Zimmerman murdered the kid. Haven't seen a shred yet.
agreed. we have only heard evidence of zimm chasing, trayvon fleeing, and zimm calling him an a-hole and punk.
now a shred about hte murder, aside from that. But plenty showing an angry fat armed man chasing a minor who was running just to get to GF's dad's house.
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Thug was casing houses, thugging up the hood, high on weed, pants around ass w a hoodie swearing out lyrics to NWA, Zimm asked him to leave politely, zimm asked tray if he needed cookies and milk, tray hits zimm and bashes his head into the pavement, zimm tells him to stop, tray says going to kill zimm, zimm gun goes off by accident and shoots tray.
I don't recall this version being in the newspapers or CNN...i guess chalk it up to lousy reporting???
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Maybe he was like OTWINK and mixing chooms, weed, coke, crack, booze, etc?
he was also mixing in his blackness too, huh?
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What you expect - Zimm was a ghettosuperstar and Zimm a little pudgy mexi/jew
all the more Zimm shouldn't have challenged him
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Sad, but he doesn't read anything. He just cuts and paste and hopes against all hope that he doesn't look like an idiot.
and exactly what does your hero, 3333 do????????????????????????
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No. The other pictures give us a more accurate picture of a little thug who was stupid enough to beat up an armed man.
did you read this asshole comment you just posted?????????????????....if a guy is following you with a gun you damn well better beat him up....actually you can make the argument that Trayvon didn't beat Zimm enough due to Trayvon getting shot anyway
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nobody said he deserved to be killed Mal, dont be a fool though and think the media didnt try to paint a MUCH DIFFERENT picture of trayvon than reality.
In reality the kid was a punk much like many kids his age just like I was at his age. The kid was a little shit, plain and simple did he deserve to die no but dont sit there and act like this kid was a saint b/c we all know the score.
what he was is irrelevant.....he was shot FOR NO REASON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!....and it just came out that he actually lived at the complex with his dad....so basically he was shot due to living in the wrong place...supposedly
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I disagree.
I'm pretty sure he deserved to be killed.
Now, the lovely young man brutally murdered by Miami police during Urban Beach week 2011-- that was a callous act of injustice.
its funny how you know all of this stuff from your basement ::)
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did you read this asshole comment you just posted?????????????????....if a guy is following you with a gun you damn well better beat him up....actually you can make the argument that Trayvon didn't beat Zimm enough due to Trayvon getting shot anyway
trayvon could have beaten zimmerman to death - and won in court because he could argue he was scared for his life.
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did you read this asshole comment you just posted?????????????????....if a guy is following you with a gun you damn well better beat him up....actually you can make the argument that Trayvon didn't beat Zimm enough due to Trayvon getting shot anyway
Well I typed it, so I guess I read it. :) Martin likely didn't know Zimmerman had a gun. That's the reason he was emboldened to start beating the crap out of Zimmerman.
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what he was is irrelevant.....he was shot FOR NO REASON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!....and it just came out that he actually lived at the complex with his dad....so basically he was shot due to living in the wrong place...supposedly
What the evidence shows so far is he was shot because he was stupid enough to beat, MMA style, a man with a gun.
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What the evidence shows so far is he was shot because he was stupid enough to beat, MMA style, a man with a gun.
there is no evidence that EITHER man started the fight. Fact.
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there is no evidence that EITHER man started the fight. Fact.
this is not a fact base site,you been here long enough you should know that ;D
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there is no evidence that EITHER man started the fight. Fact.
then zimm is not guilty
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trayvon could have beaten zimmerman to death - and won in court because he could argue he was scared for his life.
good point
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then zimm is not guilty
disagree.
If I chase 333386 two blocks with my gun...
we go into an alley where there are no witnesses...
and I smoke his ass...
then I belong in fcking prison.
And believe it or not, people HAVE been convicted of crimes when they create the death of another without a witness, believe it or not. Just because you can get someone away from witnesses doesn't mean that you can kill them. "hey, you may have seen me chasing a motherfcker with my glock, but since you didn't SEE me start the fight, you can't do shit..."
Try that in real life lol...
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disagree.
If I chase 333386 two blocks with my gun...
we go into an alley where there are no witnesses...
and I smoke his ass...
then I belong in fcking prison.
And believe it or not, people HAVE been convicted of crimes when they create the death of another without a witness, believe it or not. Just because you can get someone away from witnesses doesn't mean that you can kill them. "hey, you may have seen me chasing a motherfcker with my glock, but since you didn't SEE me start the fight, you can't do shit..."
Try that in real life lol...
wheres the proof zimmerman chased trayvon?
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what he was is irrelevant.....he was shot FOR NO REASON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!....and it just came out that he actually lived at the complex with his dad....so basically he was shot due to living in the wrong place...supposedly
if its so irrelevant then why did the media go so far as to hide it?
if its so irrelevant why is zimmermans past relevant?
PS he wasnt shot for no reason brain child, he was shot b/c he was beating the shit out of someone...Supposedly he reached for the gun and thats when he got shot.
How it came to that we dont really know but dont sit there and act like this kid is innocent as we simply dont know.
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if its so irrelevant then why did the media go so far as to hide it?
if its so irrelevant why is zimmermans past relevant?
PS he wasnt shot for no reason brain child, he was shot b/c he was beating the shit out of someone...Supposedly he reached for the gun and thats when he got shot.
How it came to that we dont really know but dont sit there and act like this kid is innocent as we simply dont know.
first of all no one said that the kid was innocent..very few are.....but the fact remains that the kid was walking through the neighborhood eating candy and drinking ice tea....how does he deserve to die for that.....Zimm accosted this kid and got his ass whipped....Zimm was following him thus agitating for a fight.....you don't shoot a kid because he whips your ass....take it like a man and move on...the 911 operator SPECIFICALLY told Zim NOT to follow the kid...
only a pussy-hole like you who is a sissy and never been involved in a fight before would make asinine comments like yours...and wheres your proof that the kid reached for his gun???...and if he did he was justified in doing so...naturally if an armed guy is fighting with you, you are going to reach for his gun to try and disarm him
oh but I forget....you wouldn't do it...because you are a pussy-hole
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wheres the proof zimmerman chased trayvon?
are you seriously asking this?
the 911 call provides this.
http://www.documentcloud.org/documents/326700-full-transcript-zimmerman.html
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are you seriously asking this?
the 911 call provides this.
http://www.documentcloud.org/documents/326700-full-transcript-zimmerman.html
Good job 240..nice destruction of Tommy's argument...he should be disappearing from the thread in 3....2...1...
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I don't think a lot of people have read the transcript. These are zimm's own words. He acknowledges trayvon is running, curses that these a-holes always get away, then admist he is following him - and on the recording, he's panting like crazy with fast strides audible - he's clearly running.
Trayvon is running - and getting away.
Zimm is running - and following him.
Jury has to decide which man was most likely the aggressor in the fight, huh? The pothead minor running, or the LEO-assault, armed man chasing and cursing, complaining that these a-holes always get away?
They should be begging for a plea. Looks really bad. A LOT of things have to happen for both people inolved to suddenly REVERSE their direction and attitude, huh?
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Well I typed it, so I guess I read it. :) Martin likely didn't know Zimmerman had a gun. That's the reason he was emboldened to start beating the crap out of Zimmerman.
wasn't Martin supposed to be an aspiring criminal in a state where almost anyone can get a gun
We could just as easily speculate that Martin likely presumed the weird dude following him might have a gun
we can go about 5 different paths with that assumption
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wasn't Martin supposed to be an aspiring criminal in a state where almost anyone can get a gun
We could just as easily speculate that Martin likely presumed the weird dude following him might have a gun
we can go about 5 different paths with that assumption
Hence, GZ has a valid argument for acting in self defense.
Get off Trayvon's dick already. Seriously. I'm not nominating GZ for the "White Hispanic Community Service Action" award, but enough with these mindless overtures proclaiming his guilt and Trayvon's exemption from responsibility for the actions which led to his death.
To break it down in its most simplistic terms, a young hoodlum beat up an overzealous neighborhood watch retard and got what was coming to him.
You mindless sycophants are in need of a worthier cause to feign your phony outrage. How about the partisan attacks on Lois Lerner? Those are pretty offensive.
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Hence, GZ has a valid argument for acting in self defense.
Get off Trayvon's dick already. Seriously. I'm not nominating GZ for the "White Hispanic Community Service Action" award, but enough with these mindless overtures proclaiming his guilt and Trayvon's exemption from responsibility for the actions which led to his death.
To break it down in its most simplistic terms, a young hoodlum beat up an overzealous neighborhood watch retard and got what was coming to him.
You mindless sycophants are in need of a worthier cause to feign your phony outrage. How about the partisan attacks on Lois Lerner? Those are pretty offensive.
in my mind a guy cannot claim to be acting in self-defense when he himself provoked said conflict and went out of his way to do so....thats like you walking down the street drinking a soda and I then cross said street, follow you, you notice me following you, and not only that, but zeroing in on you like I am going to do something, you start to run, I chase you, catch up to you, you're scared, your heart is pounding and so is mine, we get into an altercation, and I proceed to pull out a gun and kill you because you "provoked me" and I was "defending" myself.....I was only "standing my ground"
surely even a stupid dumb ignorant fuck like you can see how illogical that scenario is?????????????????
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in my mind a guy cannot claim to be acting in self-defense when he himself provoked said conflict and went out of his way to do so....thats like you walking down the street drinking a soda and I then cross said street, follow you, you notice me following you, and not only that, but zeroing in on you like I am going to do something, you start to run, I chase you, catch up to you, you're scared, your heart is pounding and so is mine, we get into an altercation, and I proceed to pull out a gun and kill you because you "provoked me" and I was "defending" myself.....I was only "standing my ground"
surely even a stupid dumb ignorant fuck like you can see how illogical that scenario is?????????????????
Trayvon started it by being a stereotypical thug w the gold teeth, hoodie, gangsta slide, pants around ass etc in a hood sick to death of ghetto trash robbing the homes.
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in my mind a guy cannot claim to be acting in self-defense when he himself provoked said conflict and went out of his way to do so....thats like you walking down the street drinking a soda and I then cross said street, follow you, you notice me following you, and not only that, but zeroing in on you like I am going to do something, you start to run, I chase you, catch up to you, you're scared, your heart is pounding and so is mine, we get into an altercation, and I proceed to pull out a gun and kill you because you "provoked me" and I was "defending" myself.....I was only "standing my ground"
surely even a stupid dumb ignorant fuck like you can see how illogical that scenario is?????????????????
Except bias keeps changing things to suit people's preconceived notions of what went down.
Following him becomes 'chasing down'
And from the only person who can tell us anything, he stopped and TM came back around to jump him.
If the dude's guilty, lock him up. But a lot of our speculation seems to be awfully skewed in one direction or the other and I'm probably just as guilty.
Trying to find impartial jurors in gonna be a real bitch, IMO.
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first of all no one said that the kid was innocent..very few are.....but the fact remains that the kid was walking through the neighborhood eating candy and drinking ice tea....how does he deserve to die for that.....Zimm accosted this kid and got his ass whipped....Zimm was following him thus agitating for a fight.....you don't shoot a kid because he whips your ass....take it like a man and move on...the 911 operator SPECIFICALLY told Zim NOT to follow the kid...
only a pussy-hole like you who is a sissy and never been involved in a fight before would make asinine comments like yours...and wheres your proof that the kid reached for his gun???...and if he did he was justified in doing so...naturally if an armed guy is fighting with you, you are going to reach for his gun to try and disarm him
oh but I forget....you wouldn't do it...because you are a pussy-hole
proof that zimmerman acosted trayvon?
according to his story he was on his way back to his truck when trayvon acosted him, do you have proof to the contrary?
again according to zimmerman trayvon was reaching for his gun, that isnt just beating someones ass...
lol son Im not going to get into a pissing match on the interweb, just do a little bit of research on here about me and then come talk about getting into fights ::)
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are you seriously asking this?
the 911 call provides this.
http://www.documentcloud.org/documents/326700-full-transcript-zimmerman.html
so he briefly followed trayvon?
didnt we already all know that?
youve said multiple times he was running after him, any proof of that?
you also know by the 911 call that he lost trayvon as well, correct?
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in my mind a guy cannot claim to be acting in self-defense when he himself provoked said conflict and went out of his way to do so....thats like you walking down the street drinking a soda and I then cross said street, follow you, you notice me following you, and not only that, but zeroing in on you like I am going to do something, you start to run, I chase you, catch up to you, you're scared, your heart is pounding and so is mine, we get into an altercation, and I proceed to pull out a gun and kill you because you "provoked me" and I was "defending" myself.....I was only "standing my ground"
surely even a stupid dumb ignorant fuck like you can see how illogical that scenario is?????????????????
what if you lose the person your following after less than a minute, you begin returning to your original spot and are then confronted by the person you were trying to follow. They start a fight in which they end up reaching for your gun.
do you think you would be justified in standing your ground then?
you keep changing the story to fit your bias, do you have any proof the story didnt go down the way zimmerman said?
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ok lets just take the word of someone who just killed another person as fact :D the stupidity of some on this site is comical :D :D :D
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ok lets just take the word of someone who just killed another person as fact :D the stupidity of some on this site is comical :D :D :D
No, let's disregard it and just make shit up about what we think might have happened. ::)
You and dumbfuck must be related...somehow...
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like i said the stupidity on this site is unmatched anywhere on the internet :D :D :D :D :D :D taking the word of a guy that just killed someone as fact :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
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No, let's disregard it and just make shit up about what we think might have happened. ::)
me and dumbfuck tonymctones must be related...somehow...
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like i said the stupidity on this site is unmatched anywhere on the internet :D :D :D :D :D :D taking the word of a guy that just killed someone as fact :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
No, let's disregard it and just make shit up about what we think might have happened. ::)
You and dumbfuck must be related...somehow...
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No, let's disregard it and just make shit up about what we think might have happened. ::)
me and dumbfuck tonymctone must be retarded...somehow...
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ok lets just take the word of someone who just killed another person as fact :D the stupidity of some on this site is comical :D :D :D
first, what proof do you have he murdered trayvon?
what were asking for is proof that it didnt happen like that.
if you dont have proof then your just making stuff up and in a court of law that doesnt fly.
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first, what proof do you have he murdered trayvon?
what were asking for is proof that it didnt happen like that.
if you dont have proof then your just making stuff up and in a court of law that doesnt fly.
hahahaha making stuff up,can you show me where i said murdered,now your saying he didn't even kill him :D :D :D :D :D :D then who did tooooo much :D
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hahahaha making stuff up,can you show me where i said murdered,now your saying he didn't even kill him :D :D :D :D :D :D then who did tooooo much :D
hahhah nice trick there mons,
where did I say he didnt kill him?
murdering someone is different than simply killing someone, i know thats tough for a person such as yourself to comprehend but trust it is.
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first, what proof do you have he murdered trayvon?
We have "he said, dead guy said" cases all of the time - and believe it or not, people ARE convicted of manslaughter or murder even without witnesses to the crime.
Toss in zimm's tape saying trayvon was running away... and he admits he's pursuing him...
It just doesn't look good, I'd say. Sure, nobody saw the shooting... but we know who was using profanity and pursuing, and who was running away. Jury is going to look at that and say "to believe trayvon started the fight, I have to create a premise in my head that says Trayvon went from running wimp to angry pothead attack machine - while simultaneously zimerman ended his profanity-fueled sprint to catch the alleged bike thief.
I just don't see BOTH of those happening simultaneously. Do you? And none of us can prove a negative. "Prove aliens didn't freeze zimmerman while trayvon attacked him...."
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follow along dummy,your the one that said murdered not me i said killed him :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D the stupid party lives on
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So you have absolutely no evidence that zimmerman murdered trayvon then....
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So you have absolutely no evidence that zimmerman murdered trayvon then....
we have motive. Don't we?
Opportunity? Yes.
Rationalization? You betcha.
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we have motive. Don't we?
Opportunity? Yes.
Rationalization? You betcha.
no you dont have motive
anybody has opportunity for murder at any given time...
no you dont have rationalization, unless you count making up stories with no evidence rationalization
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no you dont have motive
He blamed trayvon for stealing his bike.
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He blamed trayvon for stealing his bike.
LOL wow youre a grade A moron
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LOL wow youre a grade A moron
you don't consider that motive for at the very least, initiating a confrontation?
It was a really nice bike.
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he's going to be found guilty and these retards are going to blame it on obama the stupid party lives
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you don't consider that motive for at the very least, initiating a confrontation?
It was a really nice bike.
no I dont and neither will a court of law, and even if they did...THATS NOT PROOF DUMB ASS LOL
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no I dont and neither will a court of law, and even if they did...THATS NOT PROOF DUMB ASS LOL
I clearly see "that's the punk that stole my bike" as a mighty big motivation for starting a fight with them. Or worse.
Like I said, it was a really nice bike. It sure adds to the case against him. It wasn't random. He specifically targeted trayvon because, well, he incorrectly ID'd him as a bike thief.
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I clearly see "that's the punk that stole my bike" as a mighty big motivation for starting a fight with them. Or worse.
Like I said, it was a really nice bike. It sure adds to the case against him. It wasn't random. He specifically targeted trayvon because, well, he incorrectly ID'd him as a bike thief.
LOL where did he say "that's the punk that stole my bike"
again even if the court considers that motive(which they wont) ITS NOT PROOF!!!!
I ASKED FOR PROOF, DIP SHIT...
give me PROOF!!!
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Trayvon started it by being a stereotypical thug w the gold teeth, hoodie, gangsta slide, pants around ass etc in a hood sick to death of ghetto trash robbing the homes.
if you go by that then I could justifiably killing an awful lot of italians
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Except bias keeps changing things to suit people's preconceived notions of what went down.
Following him becomes 'chasing down'
And from the only person who can tell us anything, he stopped and TM came back around to jump him.
If the dude's guilty, lock him up. But a lot of our speculation seems to be awfully skewed in one direction or the other and I'm probably just as guilty.
Trying to find impartial jurors in gonna be a real bitch, IMO.
This is a good post....because you are absolutely right..its all about perception.....but I will add that Trayvon WAS chased down...according to Zim's own words....."he's getting away".....and it has been established that Trayvon did in fact run....which means Zim did in fact chase him down..how is that standing your ground???
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proof that zimmerman acosted trayvon?
according to his story he was on his way back to his truck when trayvon acosted him, do you have proof to the contrary?
again according to zimmerman trayvon was reaching for his gun, that isnt just beating someones ass...
lol son Im not going to get into a pissing match on the interweb, just do a little bit of research on here about me and then come talk about getting into fights ::)
your whole post is "according to Zimmerman".....and "zim said this"....its weird how everyone talks about Trayvon's lack of credibility yet you believe the word of a police-assaulting child molester......
weird................... ... ???
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ok lets just take the word of someone who just killed another person as fact :D the stupidity of some on this site is comical :D :D :D
agreed X10
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This is a good post....because you are absolutely right..its all about perception.....but I will add that Trayvon WAS chased down...according to Zim's own words....."he's getting away".....and it has been established that Trayvon did in fact run....which means Zim did in fact chase him down..how is that standing your ground???
its also an established fact that zimmerman lost trayvon and didnt know where he was, why do you only take one part of the 911 tape into account?
how do you know that it didnt happen like zimmerman said? he was walking back to his truck and was acosted?
we know for a fact that zimmerman lost sight of trayvon and didnt know where he was.....
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No, let's disregard it and just make shit up about what we think might have happened. ::)
You and dumbfuck must be related...somehow...
everything we've quoted in this thread is what has been shown to be witnessed or BASED ON ZIMMERFUCKS OWN STATEMENTS!!!!!!!!
If anything, you and all the other 3333 cheerleaders on here are the ones using tortured, twisted logic and bending over ass-backwards to justify Zim's actions
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your whole post is "according to Zimmerman".....and "zim said this"....its weird how everyone talks about Trayvon's lack of credibility yet you believe the word of a police-assaulting child molester......
weird................... ... ???
LOL where did I say I was giving him credility?
Fact of the matter is his story is the only one we have and in a court of law its not what you believe happend but what you can prove.
CAN YOU PROVE HIS STORY FALSE????
thats the fucking point moron!!!!
zimmerman is a shit bag Im sure but being a shit bag doesnt make him a murderer and unless you or anyone else in the "opinions equal facts" group has some evidence then all you morons have are opinions backed up by bias
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your whole post is "according to Zimmerman".....and "zim said this"....its weird how everyone talks about Trayvon's lack of credibility yet you believe the word of a police-assaulting child molester......
weird................... ... ???
you point to his credibility but still cannot give one piece of evidence that shows the story didnt go down like he said it did.
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LOL where did I say I was giving him credility?
Fact of the matter is his story is the only one we have and in a court of law its not what you believe happend but what you can prove.
CAN YOU PROVE HIS STORY FALSE????
thats the fucking point moron!!!!
zimmerman is a shit bag Im sure but being a shit bag doesnt make him a murderer and unless you or anyone else in the "opinions equal facts" group has some evidence then all you morons have are opinions backed up by bias
you're calling me a MORON??????.....dude..people are convicted everyday for murder based upon their being the only one alive to tell the tale.....as a matter of fact, ALL murderers who have been convicted are convicted even though the victim is dead and can;'t give their side......
By your logic, then you must believe that O.J. was innocent as well..since Nicole could have attacked him first with the knife and O.J. simply took it away from her and defended himself
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everything we've quoted in this thread is what has been shown to be witnessed or BASED ON ZIMMERFUCKS OWN STATEMENTS!!!!!!!!
If anything, you and all the other 3333 cheerleaders on here are the ones using tortured, twisted logic and bending over ass-backwards to justify Zim's actions
No, it hasn't and this is part of the problem.
You can't show me anything, not one thing, that shows Zimmerman himself is claiming TM stole his bike.
You have no idea if he's a racist based on a single incident...and now it looks like he went out of his way to publically help a black person who was clearly wronged.
What we're dealing with in this thread is speculation and 2nd and 3rd and 4th hand sources.
And yet, you're ready to hang the dude.
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you're calling me a MORON??????.....dude..people are convicted everyday for murder based upon their being the only one alive to tell the tale.....as a matter of fact, ALL murderers who have been convicted are convicted even though the victim is dead and can;'t give their side......
By your logic, then you must believe that O.J. was innocent as well..since Nicole could have attacked him first with the knife and O.J. simply took it away from her and defended himself
holy shit son, you do realize that there is no evidence at all that says what happened didnt happen like zimmerman said right?
most other cases have witnesses, video, biological evidence etc to show that the story as told by the defendent didnt happen the way they said.
WHAT EVIDENCE DO YOU HAVE???
its an easy fucking question!!!!
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No, it hasn't and this is part of the problem.
You can't show me anything, not one thing, that shows Zimmerman himself is claiming TM stole his bike.
You have no idea if he's a racist based on a single incident...and now it looks like he went out of his way to publically help a black person who was clearly wronged.
What we're dealing with in this thread is speculation and 2nd and 3rd and 4th hand sources.
And yet, you're ready to hang the dude.
I don't know anything about Zim thinking Trayvon stole his bike..I think 240 was just joking when he said that...and I don't recall anyone saying Zim was a racist..at least I didn't
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I don't know anything about Zim thinking Trayvon stole his bike..I think 240 was just joking when he said that...and I don't recall anyone saying Zim was a racist..at least I didn't
Shit, 240 has been lying about this whole thing since day one.
Then, when he's called out, he claims nonsense or just moves down another lie.
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Shit, 240 has been lying about this whole thing since day one.
Then, when he's called out, he claims nonsense or just moves down another lie.
yup, when called out he just moves to another lie
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its also an established fact that zimmerman lost trayvon and didnt know where he was,
Link to proof of this please? If that's the case, I will reconsider my position on this entire case. Link, please?
At the end of the call, he is still following trayvon, giving exact location,and never says he DIDNT KNOW WHERE HE WAS:
http://www.documentcloud.org/documents/326700-full-transcript-zimmerman.html
So............. Aside from "his word", what delivers this "established fact"?
IF IF IF You can demonstrate this, I may just change my mind on everything, tony.
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Which side does my political affiliation support? I need to know so I can passionately argue on behalf of that side.
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Link to proof of this please? If that's the case, I will reconsider my position on this entire case. Link, please?
At the end of the call, he is still following trayvon, giving exact location,and never says he DIDNT KNOW WHERE HE WAS:
http://www.documentcloud.org/documents/326700-full-transcript-zimmerman.html
So............. Aside from "his word", what delivers this "established fact"?
IF IF IF You can demonstrate this, I may just change my mind on everything, tony.
Actually he did, when the 911 operator asked for his address he clearly says he didn't want to say out loud bc he didn't know where he was...
Zimmerman clearly lost trayvon, no doubt about it unless you believe Zimmerman isn't telling the truth and if that's the case then you have to throw out all of the 911 tape
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Link to proof of this please? If that's the case, I will reconsider my position on this entire case. Link, please?
At the end of the call, he is still following trayvon, giving exact location,and never says he DIDNT KNOW WHERE HE WAS:
http://www.documentcloud.org/documents/326700-full-transcript-zimmerman.html
So............. Aside from "his word", what delivers this "established fact"?
IF IF IF You can demonstrate this, I may just change my mind on everything, tony.
LMFAO have you listened to the tape? Read the transcript?
Obviously not, if you had you would know that Zimmerman lost trayvon...
http://www.examiner.com/article/george-zimmerman-s-911-call-transcribed
Wow
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LMFAO have you listened to the tape? Read the transcript?
Obviously not, if you had you would know that Zimmerman lost trayvon...
http://www.examiner.com/article/george-zimmerman-s-911-call-transcribed
Wow
Fucking lol.
Rob doesn't need the transcript, he uses his power of telepathy to know exactly what happened without actually having been there or having paid attention to the actual evidence, that shit is for amateurs.
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holy shit son, you do realize that there is no evidence at all that says what happened didnt happen like zimmerman said right?
most other cases have witnesses, video, biological evidence etc to show that the story as told by the defendent didnt happen the way they said.
WHAT EVIDENCE DO YOU HAVE???
its an easy fucking question!!!!
you know what...I just realized that basically NO MATTER WHAT THE EVIDENCE, it would not make a difference in terms of your opinion....you are entrenched in your position like the other 3333 worshipers on here...so lets just leave it at that....
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Link to proof of this please? If that's the case, I will reconsider my position on this entire case. Link, please?
At the end of the call, he is still following trayvon, giving exact location,and never says he DIDNT KNOW WHERE HE WAS:
http://www.documentcloud.org/documents/326700-full-transcript-zimmerman.html
So............. Aside from "his word", what delivers this "established fact"?
IF IF IF You can demonstrate this, I may just change my mind on everything, tony.
good point
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Actually he did, when the 911 operator asked for his address he clearly says he didn't want to say out loud bc he didn't know where he was...
Zimmerman clearly lost trayvon, no doubt about it unless you believe Zimmerman isn't telling the truth and if that's the case then you have to throw out all of the 911 tape
OH, so he didn't say it on the 911 tape?
He was the neighborhood watch commander for years. He didn't know what street he was on? LMAO... you finally read that transcript, and realized he was never lost, huh
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in my mind a guy cannot claim to be acting in self-defense when he himself provoked said conflict and went out of his way to do so....thats like you walking down the street drinking a soda and I then cross said street, follow you, you notice me following you, and not only that, but zeroing in on you like I am going to do something, you start to run, I chase you, catch up to you, you're scared, your heart is pounding and so is mine, we get into an altercation, and I proceed to pull out a gun and kill you because you "provoked me" and I was "defending" myself.....I was only "standing my ground"
surely even a stupid dumb ignorant fuck like you can see how illogical that scenario is?????????????????
That's not the way it works. It doesn't matter who started the conflict. The only thing that matters is whether Zimmerman had a reasonable belief that he had to use deadly force to prevent death or seriously bodily injury.
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I clearly see "that's the punk that stole my bike" as a mighty big motivation for starting a fight with them. Or worse.
Like I said, it was a really nice bike. It sure adds to the case against him. It wasn't random. He specifically targeted trayvon because, well, he incorrectly ID'd him as a bike thief.
What is the source for this comment by Zimmerman?
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I don't know anything about Zim thinking Trayvon stole his bike..I think 240 was just joking when he said that...and I don't recall anyone saying Zim was a racist..at least I didn't
only fags like you come on here and root for a racist fuck who shot a kid for no reason to get acquitted
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What is the source for this comment by Zimmerman?
he said these assholes always get away. Read up on the case. You'd be surprised to see it was really a nice bike.
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he said these assholes always get away. Read up on the case. You'd be surprised to see it was really a nice bike.
I actually spent a lot of time reading up on the case recently. What I didn't see was this:
I clearly see "that's the punk that stole my bike" as a mighty big motivation for starting a fight with them. Or worse.
What is the source for this quote by Zimmerman?
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where did I say that was his quote? lmao. I never said it was a quote. I was paraphrasing in a very obnoxious manner.
What is your prediciton for the case, since you're so well-versed? Will zimm plead out?
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where did I say that was his quote? lmao. I never said it was a quote. I was paraphrasing in a very obnoxious manner.
What is your prediciton for the case, since you're so well-versed? Will zimm plead out?
You said it was a quote when you put friggin quotation marks around it and attributed it Zimmerman. ::) You are such a lying liar. So you were paraphrasing? What precise quote from Zimmerman are you twisting?
I didn't say I was well-versed Pinocchio. My prediction? I don't know. Anyone trying to predict what a jury will do needs to read up on OJ and Casey Anthony.
Will he plead? I seriously doubt it. I have seen ZERO evidence of murder or even a crime being committed, so he really doesn't have any incentive at this point.
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Mega lol
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OH, so he didn't say it on the 911 tape?
He was the neighborhood watch commander for years. He didn't know what street he was on? LMAO... you finally read that transcript, and realized he was never lost, huh
LOL what are you babbling about?
you said that it was a fact that at the end of the phone call he was following trayvon...
I have shown that that is a flat out lie and that in fact he had lost trayvon and you respond with this idiocy?
hahhahah
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LOL what are you babbling about?
you said that it was a fact that at the end of the phone call he was following trayvon...
I have shown that that is a flat out lie and that in fact he had lost trayvon and you respond with this idiocy?
hahhahah
That kid was about forty pounds lighter and about four or five inches taller than Zimmerman. If Zimmerman was "chasing" Martin, Martin would have left him in the dust and made it to his house safely. Instead, what likely happened is he circled back and confronted Zimmerman. Bad decision.
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you know what...I just realized that basically NO MATTER WHAT THE EVIDENCE, it would not make a difference in terms of your opinion....you are entrenched in your position like the other 3333 worshipers on here...so lets just leave it at that....
my position is that there is no evidence that goes against zimmermans story, if you have some please let us know....
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That kid was about forty pounds lighter and about four or five inches taller than Zimmerman. If Zimmerman was "chasing" Martin, Martin would have left him in the dust and made it to his house safely. Instead, what likely happened is he circled back and confronted Zimmerman. Bad decision.
unless zimmerman cut thru the yards to intercept him ;)
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unless zimmerman cut thru the yards to intercept him ;)
Where is the evidence Zimmerman cut through yards to intercept Martin?
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unless zimmerman cut thru the yards to intercept him ;)
are you re-evaluating your stance now 240?
seeing as I exposed your lie that zimmerman was following trayvon at the end of the 911 call and showed you proof that zimmerman lost trayvon?
are you following through with your promise to re-evaluate your stance?
whats the next lie for you 240?
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it is believed zimm cut thru the yards to head him off.
and YES tony, if you can prove to me that there IS proof that trayvon threw the first punch, I will CERTAINLY reconsider my position.
What is this evidence you spoke of? (please dont tell me youre using the zimm statement as evidence, i will certainly laugh at you if that is all you have lol)
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it is believed zimm cut thru the yards to head him off.
and YES tony, if you can prove to me that there IS proof that trayvon threw the first punch, I will CERTAINLY reconsider my position.
What is this evidence you spoke of? (please dont tell me youre using the zimm statement as evidence, i will certainly laugh at you if that is all you have lol)
hahah so first it was proof that zimmerman lost trayvon and now its that trayvon threw the first punch?
its his own words from the 911 tape...if you dont think thats credible then I guess we have to throw out the entire tape right?
or are you saying its ok for you to pick and choose what part of the tape to believe and what part to not believe?
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hahah so first it was proof that zimmerman lost trayvon and now its that trayvon threw the first punch?
its his own words from the 911 tape...if you dont think thats credible then I guess we have to throw out the entire tape right?
or are you saying its ok for you to pick and choose what part of the tape to believe and what part to not believe?
you haven't shown me proof that zimmerman lost trayvon. Please provide that and I will happily reconsider. What evidence do you have that zimm lost track of trayvon?
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you haven't shown me proof that zimmerman lost trayvon. Please provide that and I will happily reconsider. What evidence do you have that zimm lost track of trayvon?
did you listen/read the 911 call transcript?
from your own link......
http://www.documentcloud.org/documents/326700-full-transcript-zimmerman.html
Zimmerman:
Yeah, yeah, I live here.
911 dispatcher:
OK, what’s your apartment number?
Zimmerman:
It’s a home. It’s 1950 – oh, crap, I don’t want to give it all out – I don’t know where this kid is
so unless you have some reason to pick and choose what parts of the 911 tape to consider truthful and what parts not to, youve seemed to use it quite often to back up your idiotic lies...
its clear zimmerman lost trayvon from the 911 tape.....
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did you listen/read the 911 call transcript?
from your own link......
http://www.documentcloud.org/documents/326700-full-transcript-zimmerman.html
Zimmerman:
Yeah, yeah, I live here.
911 dispatcher:
OK, what’s your apartment number?
Zimmerman:
It’s a home. It’s 1950 – oh, crap, I don’t want to give it all out – I don’t know where this kid is
so unless you have some reason to pick and choose what parts of the 911 tape to consider truthful and what parts not to, youve seemed to use it quite often to back up your idiotic lies...
its clear zimmerman lost trayvon from the 911 tape.....
I don’t see anywhere in that transcript where is says "that's the punk that stole my bike." I also see nothing that says Zimmerman continued to follow Martin after being told he didn’t need too. I see nothing that says Zimmerman chased Martin for two blocks. Nothing that says Zimmerman cut through people’s yards to chase Zimmerman.
In fact, he’s telling the dispatcher that Martin is coming towards him and that he wants the police to meet him.
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they're listing the inconsistencies in Zimmerman's statement.
he said trayvon punched him in face - THEN held hand over mouth/hose saying "you gonna die tonight"
But no blood found on trayvon's hands or sleeves.
Lots of other things on the time (2 minute elapsed between zimm hanging up and then shooting - while he said it was seconds)
I can't even keep track of these lies lol... prosecutor listing them. looks bad.
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they're listing the inconsistencies in Zimmerman's statement.
he said trayvon punched him in face - THEN held hand over mouth/hose saying "you gonna die tonight"
But no blood found on trayvon's hands or sleeves.
Lots of other things on the time (2 minute elapsed between zimm hanging up and then shooting - while he said it was seconds)
I can't even keep track of these lies lol... prosecutor listing them. looks bad.
looks bad is an understatement
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I haven't seen the prosecutors list. Can you link it?
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Hahah...some choice language got onto live TV, and they had to scramble to put in a delay.
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looks bad is an understatement
even the biggest zimmerman supporter cannot deny those lies. Plain as day.
If he did everything 'by the book' there would be no need to exaggerate everything. He really told the investigating officer that the 911 phone voice told him to pursue trayvon. Did he not think this would be checked?
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they're listing the inconsistencies in Zimmerman's statement.
he said trayvon punched him in face - THEN held hand over mouth/hose saying "you gonna die tonight"
But no blood found on trayvon's hands or sleeves.
Lots of other things on the time (2 minute elapsed between zimm hanging up and then shooting - while he said it was seconds)
I can't even keep track of these lies lol... prosecutor listing them. looks bad.
Lol sounds like a movie villain
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Lol sounds like a movie villain
it's weird... none of the recordings or witnesses caught this part - the one part that would have made this shoot legal ;)
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Poor Zimmerman.
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-june-25-2013/presumed-guiltocent