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Title: Do full range front squats build more aesthetic legs than leg presses?
Post by: anabolichalo on May 29, 2013, 09:42:54 AM
because more range of motion and more emphasis on the teardrop part of the quads


fact or fallacy?


in short, is there a bb advantage to front squats over leg press?
Title: Re: Do full range front squats build more aesthetic legs than leg presses?
Post by: Grape Ape on May 29, 2013, 09:43:58 AM
I thought OMR neutered you?
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Post by: Wiggs on May 29, 2013, 09:44:33 AM
Fronts are good for more front of quad period. Good for bodybuilding.
Title: Re: Do full range front squats build more aesthetic legs than leg presses?
Post by: anabolichalo on May 29, 2013, 09:45:53 AM
Fronts are good for more front of quad period. Good for bodybuilding.
yeah i quit back squats after listening to louis simmons lecture on squats and i connected the dots

that frontsquat are the best?


but somehow it easily injures the upper spine
Title: Re: Do full range front squats build more aesthetic legs than leg presses?
Post by: Wiggs on May 29, 2013, 09:49:45 AM
No homo, I can squat my ass off. Always had big quads naturally and don't need much to get much. Squats are ok but I got alot more out of front squats. I guess it depends on how you're built
Title: Re: Do full range front squats build more aesthetic legs than leg presses?
Post by: anabolichalo on May 29, 2013, 09:53:16 AM
No homo, I can squat my ass off. Always had big quads naturally and don't need much to get much. Squats are ok but I got alot more out of front squats. I guess it depends on how you're built
that is true for everybody

it's simple


the more upright your torso stays in a squat the more knee extention dominant the move is


the more forward the torso, the more hip extention dominant the move is


because of this the stresses shift to the most dominant hinge point

so a back squat (and even more so a low bar back squat) will build the thigh close to the hips

and a front squat will build the thigh close to the knees



HTH
Title: Re: Do full range front squats build more aesthetic legs than leg presses?
Post by: njflex on May 29, 2013, 10:01:11 AM
HACK SQUATS,,,
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Post by: musclecenter on May 29, 2013, 10:04:35 AM
Full-squats = king of excercises !
Title: Re: Do full range front squats build more aesthetic legs than leg presses?
Post by: jon cole on May 29, 2013, 10:49:43 AM
squat and press are an alchimie for big and strong leg

if i do only squat, the strength skyrocket but my leg are less big and less complete.

press only don't give me the hard work and the muscle soreness the squat gives.

so squat + press is the best.
Title: Re: Do full range front squats build more aesthetic legs than leg presses?
Post by: anabolichalo on May 29, 2013, 10:59:46 AM
squat and press are an alchimie for big and strong leg

if i do only squat, the strength skyrocket but my leg are less big and less complete.

press only don't give me the hard work and the muscle soreness the squat gives.

so squat + press is the best.

in what order is advisable?

squat=>leg press for maximal gainz

leg press => squat for joint and spine


???
Title: Re: Do full range front squats build more aesthetic legs than leg presses?
Post by: jodsy on May 29, 2013, 11:04:58 AM
No homo, I can squat my ass off. Always had big quads naturally and don't need much to get much.
its all the running away from the police
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Post by: SquatsRule on May 29, 2013, 11:08:14 AM
Front Squats are great, but they hurt my knees, so I don't do them all the time. I switch them up with box squats. I also do old-school barbell hack squats one week and switch those with leg press the next. I think I get the most out of the front squats and barbell hacks. It all comes down to what works best for you.
Title: Re: Do full range front squats build more aesthetic legs than leg presses?
Post by: anabolichalo on May 29, 2013, 11:09:59 AM
its all the running away from the police
running is posterior chain, quads only needed for slowing down
Title: Re: Do full range front squats build more aesthetic legs than leg presses?
Post by: funk51 on May 29, 2013, 11:11:00 AM
because more range of motion and more emphasis on the teardrop part of the quads


fact or fallacy?


in short, is there a bb advantage to front squats over leg press?
:P that's all this guy used to do.ass to ankles.
Title: Re: Do full range front squats build more aesthetic legs than leg presses?
Post by: jodsy on May 29, 2013, 11:12:13 AM
running is posterior chain, quads only needed for slowing down
whats jewellery got to do with it?
Title: Re: Do full range front squats build more aesthetic legs than leg presses?
Post by: TommyBoy on May 29, 2013, 12:19:46 PM
The best shape my legs were in was doing nothing but squats, front squats, and sissy squats. Followed by sprints. No leg extension/leg press. Just anecdotal and personal opinion that squats > leg press.
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Post by: chess315 on May 29, 2013, 12:23:48 PM
your body structure and limb length and all kinds of variables and simply not important just take more steroids
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Post by: Mr Nobody on May 29, 2013, 12:30:29 PM
Front Squats are best the exercise there is takes the low back out.
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Post by: ukjeff on May 29, 2013, 12:31:55 PM
I never squat, makes no difference at all.
Title: Re: Do full range front squats build more aesthetic legs than leg presses?
Post by: anabolichalo on May 29, 2013, 01:49:49 PM
Front Squats are best the exercise there is takes the low back out.
just cant go to near failure with heavy weights or i often tweak my upper spine
Title: Re: Do full range front squats build more aesthetic legs than leg presses?
Post by: anabolichalo on May 29, 2013, 01:51:49 PM
i think we are in agreement squats and front squats give better gains than leg press?


but worth the spinal injury risk?


a lot of people's spines are not even perfectly straight to start with


loading 400lbs+ barbells on it seems not advisable, no matter how "cool" it feels
Title: Re: Do full range front squats build more aesthetic legs than leg presses?
Post by: Dr Dutch on May 29, 2013, 01:54:43 PM
squat and press are an alchimie for big and strong leg

if i do only squat, the strength skyrocket but my leg are less big and less complete.

press only don't give me the hard work and the muscle soreness the squat gives.

so squat + press is the best.

x1000  that's it, no other leg exercises are needed. Me, I love leg press and hate squats, but do them both. My kids ask me to flex my legs if I wear shorts, they think all those weird muscle ropes are funny.... ;)
Title: Re: Do full range front squats build more aesthetic legs than leg presses?
Post by: Mawse on May 29, 2013, 08:17:02 PM
High bar back squats are the best option, more weight potential and you can do much higher reps than front squats because thoracic tightness can b maintained longer than with fronts.

No need to ever go over 315 if bbing Is your aim.
Title: Re: Do full range front squats build more aesthetic legs than leg presses?
Post by: anabolichalo on May 29, 2013, 10:22:21 PM
High bar back squats are the best option, more weight potential and you can do much higher reps than front squats because thoracic tightness can b maintained longer than with fronts.

No need to ever go over 315 if bbing Is your aim.
i found this to be true (the hard way)
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Post by: anabolichalo on May 29, 2013, 10:23:55 PM
Full-squats = king of excercises !
not really a good leg shape

ice cream horn shaped

Title: Re: Do full range front squats build more aesthetic legs than leg presses?
Post by: Skeletor on May 29, 2013, 10:33:31 PM
Front Squats are great, but they hurt my knees, so I don't do them all the time. I switch them up with box squats. I also do old-school barbell hack squats one week and switch those with leg press the next. I think I get the most out of the front squats and barbell hacks. It all comes down to what works best for you.

Quite the opposite for me, sometimes I would get minor knee pain with back squats but never with front squats. Guess it depends on structure/build.
I prefer front squats but I usually alternate front and back squats every other workout.
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Post by: chess315 on May 29, 2013, 10:57:35 PM
there are more factors then just this simple answer but the shorter you are the more you generaly benefit from squats and lot of pressing movements which most high level athletes are not short. Everyone benefit just once you get close to genetic limits they become much more dangerous and not practical.
Title: Re: Do full range front squats build more aesthetic legs than leg presses?
Post by: hipolito mejia on May 30, 2013, 05:18:19 AM
If you're a drug free trainer/bodybuilder  you don't need to worry about that.



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Post by: falco on May 30, 2013, 06:52:36 AM
"Fuck range of motion mutha fucka just get your ass in motion" by CT Fletcher.
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Post by: deceiver on May 30, 2013, 06:56:47 AM
I used to squat once a week, now I squat every workout. >200kg ATG olympic squat, here I come.
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Post by: Psychopath on May 30, 2013, 07:05:47 AM
High rep squats are straight from hell, but they'll build your legs into tree trunks.
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Post by: Heywood on May 30, 2013, 07:17:33 AM
I agree, high rep squats are the best.

Sure, leg presses are fine, but don't confuse it with the real thing.
Title: Re: Do full range front squats build more aesthetic legs than leg presses?
Post by: anabolichalo on May 30, 2013, 08:55:13 AM
I used to squat once a week, now I squat every workout. >200kg ATG olympic squat, here I come.
pointless unles you're doing that for  high reps
Title: Re: Do full range front squats build more aesthetic legs than leg presses?
Post by: deceiver on May 30, 2013, 08:58:39 AM
pointless unles you're doing that for  high reps

No, low reps. Why is it pointless?
Title: Re: Do full range front squats build more aesthetic legs than leg presses?
Post by: Mr Nobody on May 30, 2013, 09:02:06 AM
High rep squats are straight from hell, but they'll build your legs into tree trunks.
True they will beat the piss out of you.
Title: Re: Do full range front squats build more aesthetic legs than leg presses?
Post by: anabolichalo on May 30, 2013, 10:31:44 AM
No, low reps. Why is it pointless?
"all CNS and tendons"

sure you get some muscle gains as well but you could get better gains with less weight and more reps

Title: Re: Do full range front squats build more aesthetic legs than leg presses?
Post by: deceiver on May 30, 2013, 10:52:48 AM
"all CNS and tendons"

sure you get some muscle gains as well but you could get better gains with less weight and more reps



I don't give a fuck about muscle gains. What about that?
Title: Re: Do full range front squats build more aesthetic legs than leg presses?
Post by: anabolichalo on May 30, 2013, 11:57:06 AM
I don't give a fuck about muscle gains. What about that?
lies

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Post by: Heywood on May 30, 2013, 12:06:33 PM
I don't give a fuck about muscle gains. What about that?

Then use less weight, less sets & reps, & less effort in order to achieve your goals.
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Post by: deceiver on May 30, 2013, 12:34:44 PM
Then use less weight, less sets & reps, & less effort in order to achieve your goals.


What goals? I wanna lift big weights. That's my goal. My goal is to squat, bench and deadlift more than anybody in my weight class.
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Post by: Borracho on May 30, 2013, 12:45:44 PM
What goals? I wanna lift big weights. That's my goal. My goal is to squat, bench and deadlift more than anybody in my weight class.

why bro?
Title: Re: Do full range front squats build more aesthetic legs than leg presses?
Post by: deceiver on May 30, 2013, 12:48:07 PM
why bro?

Because I like it. I love competing and I love big weights and barbell.
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Post by: Borracho on May 30, 2013, 12:52:09 PM
Because I like it. I love competing and I love big weights and barbell.

Do athletes in this sport win prizes at the smaller local level comps at least?
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Post by: Mr Nobody on May 30, 2013, 12:54:29 PM
Do athletes in this sport win prizes at the smaller local level comps at least?
They get a $25 dollar trophy to wipe dust off over the years, that they could of bought and not went the pain.
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Post by: Borracho on May 30, 2013, 12:55:36 PM
They get a $25 dollar trophy to wipe dust off over the years, that they could of bought and not went the pain.

So they're just as mentally ill as bbers then.
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Post by: dj181 on May 30, 2013, 12:56:57 PM
Do athletes in this sport win prizes at the smaller local level comps at least?

i got a few trophies from bp comps that i did about 12 years ago

but now they just collect dust

They get a $25 dollar trophy to wipe dust off over the years, that they could of bought and not went the pain.

25 buck trophy ain't bad, i'd say mine were maybe 5 buckers lol
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Post by: ukjeff on May 30, 2013, 12:57:27 PM
I don't give a fuck about muscle gains. What about that?
If thats case why are you showing them off in your underpant clothed avatar?
Title: Re: Do full range front squats build more aesthetic legs than leg presses?
Post by: Borracho on May 30, 2013, 12:59:51 PM
If thats case why are you showing them off in your underpant clothed avatar?

So they're just as mentally ill as bbers then.

^ this.

i got a few trophies from bp comps that i did about 12 years ago

but now they just collect dust


^ him.
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Post by: Mr Nobody on May 30, 2013, 01:06:17 PM
So they're just as mentally ill as bbers then.
I have the trophies in a back bedroom when I need dust them pisses me off, just something else to take care of but would not take them back alot of memories right there.
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Post by: deceiver on May 30, 2013, 01:08:32 PM
So they're just as mentally ill as bbers then.

Why? Why wouldn't I do what I like?

I work normal job to get money. Why do I show off my muscles? Because I like them. They're not my goal and I have enough muscle mass for me which I gained through strength training. I do not need more and I easily maintain and even gain some through the same training that created them.
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Post by: Borracho on May 30, 2013, 01:13:56 PM
I have the trophies in a back bedroom when I need dust them pisses me off, just something else to take care of but would not take them back alot of memories right there.

Bad memories ? ;D

Something you earned...you guys go through a lot of sacrifice for those trophies.

Why? Why wouldn't I do what I like?

I work normal job to get money. Why do I show off my muscles? Because I like them. They're not my goal and I have enough muscle mass for me which I gained through strength training. I do not need more and I easily maintain and even gain some through the same training that created them.

I wish I could pat you on the back right now.
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Post by: V Man on May 30, 2013, 01:59:11 PM
I've never really done front squats before, but this thread has me intrigued. I think I will try them tonight since it's quad day.
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Post by: anabolichalo on May 30, 2013, 02:35:56 PM
Do athletes in this sport win prizes at the smaller local level comps at least?
$5,500 cheque for a world record bench press

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Post by: DroppingPlates on May 30, 2013, 02:39:12 PM
"aesthetic legs"? Do you mean "no legs"?
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Post by: Griffith on May 30, 2013, 02:46:25 PM
I found leg presses built bigger legs but was much harder on the knees, at the time I didn't squat though and overall development was slowed as a result I think

For squats I use a wider powelifter stance, never had the flexibility for the olympic version and this allowed me to do the squats and eventually gain flexibility to do the closer stance.

But still prefer wider stance even though isolates legs less.
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Post by: Dr Dutch on May 30, 2013, 02:48:03 PM
"aesthetic legs"? Do you mean "no legs"?
Leg muscles are small or average or big. That's it. Aesthetics are genetics.
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Post by: DroppingPlates on May 30, 2013, 02:51:02 PM
Leg muscles are small or average or big. That's it. Aesthetics are genetics.

Agree, not all of us have Platzanian genetics, but again, how would someone define/describe "aesthetic legs"?
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Post by: anabolichalo on May 30, 2013, 02:54:04 PM
Leg muscles are small or average or big. That's it. Aesthetics are genetics.
wrong for obvious reasons
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Post by: Dr Dutch on May 30, 2013, 02:55:25 PM
wrong for obvious reasons
Thank you for making me see the light.
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Post by: DroppingPlates on May 30, 2013, 02:55:35 PM
wrong for obvious reasons

No arguments, no glory
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Post by: anabolichalo on May 30, 2013, 02:57:10 PM
No arguments, no glory
i am not going to post the same arguement again in the same thread because people don't read the thread

see somewhere one page one i think

true story