Getbig.com: American Bodybuilding, Fitness and Figure
Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Caro on July 26, 2013, 08:50:17 PM
-
Wow, those were the days.
Started a discussion regarding this in an earlier thread and it got me thinking about that very ugly time in Bodybuilding history.
Milos has been called all things. He brought a lot of misery, misguidance, bro science and not forgetting the infamous 'Milos flu' to the very reaches of this sport.
I hear he is still out their practicing his form of BB science...wow.
Haters don't respond!
-
Wow, those were the days.
Started a discussion regarding this in an earlier thread and it got me thinking about that very ugly time in Bodybuilding history.
Milos has been called all things. He brought a lot of misery, misguidance, bro science and not forgetting the infamous 'Milos flu' to the very reaches of this sport.
I hear he is still out their practicing his form of BB science...wow.
Haters don't respond!
looks like, until he get kick from the EU/Spanish customs zone
he must be crossing EU borders every 3 months & reentry EU with his U.S. travel document
-
He always lived such a chaotic life. Don't know he does it!
-
Hey phagitt. Haters is a played out word.
-
Milos ruined bodybuilding.
-
Hey phagitt. Haters is a played out word.
Stay out of the thread troll. not wanted
-
Milos ruined bodybuilding.
Hi coach, i knew you would have an opinion on this. Yes, i agree he sent the sport in a very distorted direction. He is the Frankenstein of BB.
-
:(
-
if you speak to milos for any length of time, he'll change the way you view the science of bodybuilding. Dude had a huge impact on me when I was starting out.
-
Wow, those were the days.
Started a discussion regarding this in an earlier thread and it got me thinking about that very ugly time in Bodybuilding history.
Milos has been called all things. He brought a lot of misery, misguidance, bro science and not forgetting the infamous 'Milos flu' to the very reaches of this sport.
I hear he is still out their practicing his form of BB science...wow.
Haters don't respond!
posts like this will probably bring Pros to come back to Getbig. If you remember that is what you'd like to see
-
if you speak to milos for any length of time, he'll change the way you view the science of bodybuilding. Dude had a huge impact on me when I was starting out.
I hear you. If that is the case, then good for you. Unfortunately, many Pros from Milos' stable ended up having pretty bad experiences!
-
Hey, Caro.
How about you suck a bag of dicks drenched with insulin, then lock yourself in a cell, and die.
HTH, and i hope your mom dies of AIDS.
-
Milos ruined bodybuilding.
- stupid statement...
-
Whats the milos flue?
-
Hey, Caro.
How about you suck a bag of dicks drenched with insulin, then lock yourself in a cell, and die.
HTH, and i hope your mom dies of AIDS.
hahaha...the troll again, yawn. you are so obsessed with following me around the board..time to leave you pathetic and predictable gimmick.
-
hahaha...the troll again, yawn. you are so obsessed with following me around the board..time to leave you pathetic and predictable gimmick.
Hi shizzo...
-
Whats the milos flue?
flu like symptoms experienced whilst undergoing Milos' insulin protocol regime. Symptoms would include profuse sweating, head aches, tightness in joints, fever etc etc.
-
Hi shizzo...
great comeback, so original...stupid trolling gimmick you are ..lol
-
flu like symptoms experienced whilst undergoing Milos' insulin protocol regime. Symptoms would include profuse sweating, head aches, tightness in joints, fever etc etc.
ok thanks
-
I remember him from long time ago. Out of all his competition he kept a diffrent gear protocul for each and everyone. Thats acchivement to...kinda.
-
I remember him from long time ago. Out of all his competition he kept a diffrent gear protocul for each and everyone. Thats acchivement to...kinda.
Milos is said to have pioneered the use of insulin in the sport..The protocol was mind blowing: 10iu GH and 12iu of Novalog before working out and then followed by 120mcg igf at the end of work out.
I remember Luke saying how he mixed up the doses hence kidney failure and ultimately death
-
Milos ruined bodybuilding.
Bullshit. Milos advocates staying close to contest shape all year round. That rather modest
insulin protocol will not ruin you if done the way he says. Sure the physique may take on a
little less desirable look over time, but nothing like a crazy ass bulk and 100-300iu/day insulin
use in the off-season which will fuck you up. Did Milos ever have a huge belly?
What fucks you up is overeating.
Unless Milos advocated something completely different from what he said on forums, where's the extremism? Very light steroid use and lowish insulin dosages during workouts only... where does the kidney death come from?
Milos fucked up his body with Synthol, the biggest mistake he did. He hardly pioneered that. And he fucked up his mind with recreational drugs... again, hardly his invention. That's something you were involved with too Coach, long before Milos.
Is there a thread here regarding his exact insulin protocols?
It's as simple as this: 20iu Humalog before every workout. Carbs and aminos in blood. The end.
-
Milos ruined bodybuilding.
- stupid statement...
Hi Milos.....we argued about this on the phone, remember?
-
Bullshit. Milos advocates staying close to contest shape all year round. That rather modest
insulin protocol will not ruin you if done the way he says. Sure the physique may take on a
little less desirable look over time, but nothing like a crazy ass bulk and 100-300iu/day insulin
use in the off-season which will fuck you up. Did Milos ever have a huge belly?
What fucks you up is overeating.
Unless Milos advocated something completely different from what he said on forums, where's the extremism? Very light steroid use and lowish insulin dosages during workouts only... where does the kidney death come from?
Milos fucked up his body with Synthol, the biggest mistake he did. He hardly pioneered that. And he fucked up his mind with recreational drugs... again, hardly his invention. That's something you were involved with too Coach, long before Milos.
It's as simple as this: 20iu Humalog before every workout. Carbs and aminos in blood. The end.
There is no such thing as aesthetics anymore solely because of insulin usage at damn near any dose. I will say though, that they are getting better and realizing that heavy insulin use will not only fuck your systems, in some cases for life, but they are starting to come in a bit lighter and bellies are coming down. In any case, insulin isn't necessary and counter productive in the long run.
Milos hurt more people in the long run than he helped. Yes, he fucked up bodybuilding.
-
There is no such thing as aesthetics anymore solely because of insulin usage at damn near any dose. I will say though, that they are getting better and realizing that heavy insulin use will not only fuck your systems, in some cases for life, but they are starting to come in a bit lighter and bellies are coming down. In any case, insulin isn't necessary and counter productive in the long run.
Milos hurt more people in the long run than he helped. Yes, he fucked up bodybuilding.
hurt in what way? Give us examples that are not based on interneg rumors
-
Bullshit. Milos advocates staying close to contest shape all year round. That rather modest
insulin protocol will not ruin you if done the way he says. Sure the physique may take on a
little less desirable look over time, but nothing like a crazy ass bulk and 100-300iu/day insulin
use in the off-season which will fuck you up. Did Milos ever have a huge belly?
What fucks you up is overeating.
Unless Milos advocated something completely different from what he said on forums, where's the extremism? Very light steroid use and lowish insulin dosages during workouts only... where does the kidney death come from?
Milos fucked up his body with Synthol, the biggest mistake he did. He hardly pioneered that. And he fucked up his mind with recreational drugs... again, hardly his invention. That's something you were involved with too Coach, long before Milos.
It's as simple as this: 20iu Humalog before every workout. Carbs and aminos in blood. The end.
booooooooom,, Van bringing the truth to this caro gimick bitch who envies bodybuilders cause he could not hack it as one.
-
There is no such thing as aesthetics anymore solely because of insulin usage at damn near any dose. I will say though, that they are getting better and realizing that heavy insulin use will not only fuck your systems, in some cases for life, but they are starting to come in a bit lighter and bellies are coming down. In any case, insulin isn't necessary and counter productive in the long run.
Milos hurt more people in the long run than he helped. Yes, he fucked up bodybuilding.
This is the most naive post of all time, ALL TIME, because in order for you to make a statement like this you have to believe guys claiming low dose and that simply does not occur cause bodybuilders are idiots, they take everything big, of the guys I know who take very little slin, they look amazing and nothing wrong with their aesthetics at all.
Your physique goes to shit at 300 iu daily and unfortunately most bodybuilder do this.
Don't be so naive coach. If anyone is bold enough to admit slin use believe me they are abusing and claiming mild use and you are falling for it. The one who use mildly probably would never admit it at all.
-
flu like symptoms experienced whilst undergoing Milos' insulin protocol regime. Symptoms would include profuse sweating, head aches, tightness in joints, fever etc etc.
that's what happens the first month you start running 3g of test + other stuff. It goes away.
a lot of guys don't use enough AAS with slin, and end up fat and can't figure out why. (fear of hypo also keeps them eating too much damn food at the wrong times as well).
The guys who say 'insulin in the devil & it ruined bodybuilding' usually don't have experience with it. They're just on the outside looking in. They're just repeating shit they heard someone else say, without really understanding it.
-
This is the most naive post of all time, ALL TIME, because in order for you to make a statement like this you have to believe guys claiming low dose and that simply does not occur cause bodybuilders are idiots, they take everything big, of the guys I know who take very little slin, they look amazing and nothing wrong with their aesthetics at all.
Your physique goes to shit at 300 iu daily and unfortunately most bodybuilder do this.
Don't be so naive coach. If anyone is bold enough to admit slin use believe me they are abusing and claiming mild use and you are falling for it. The one who use mildly probably would never admit it at all.
I don't know of anybody using 300iu slin per day.... much less 'most' bber's doing it.
-
This is the most naive post of all time, ALL TIME, because in order for you to make a statement like this you have to believe guys claiming low dose and that simply does not occur cause bodybuilders are idiots, they take everything big, of the guys I know who take very little slin, they look amazing and nothing wrong with their aesthetics at all.
Your physique goes to shit at 300 iu daily and unfortunately most bodybuilder do this.
Don't be so naive coach. If anyone is bold enough to admit slin use believe me they are abusing and claiming mild use and you are falling for it. The one who use mildly probably would never admit it at all.
Compared to what decade?
-
Bullshit. Milos advocates staying close to contest shape all year round. That rather modest
insulin protocol will not ruin you if done the way he says. Sure the physique may take on a
little less desirable look over time, but nothing like a crazy ass bulk and 100-300iu/day insulin
use in the off-season which will fuck you up. Did Milos ever have a huge belly?
What fucks you up is overeating.
Unless Milos advocated something completely different from what he said on forums, where's the extremism? Very light steroid use and lowish insulin dosages during workouts only... where does the kidney death come from?
Milos fucked up his body with Synthol, the biggest mistake he did. He hardly pioneered that. And he fucked up his mind with recreational drugs... again, hardly his invention. That's something you were involved with too Coach, long before Milos.
It's as simple as this: 20iu Humalog before every workout. Carbs and aminos in blood. The end.
'very light steroid use' is not something Milo's was familiar with AT ALL. Milos was the pro-version of john o'reagan in terms of doses.
-
I don't know of anybody using 300iu slin per day.... much less 'most' bber's doing it.
TYPO, MY BAD
30IU ;)
-
Milos is said to have pioneered the use of insulin in the sport..The protocol was mind blowing: 10iu GH and 12iu of Novalog before working out and then followed by 120mcg igf at the end of work out.
I remember Luke saying how he mixed up the doses hence kidney failure and ultimately death
that just makes you sound like a little middle school girl spreading gossip.
"hence death"? pathetic. I don't know where to begin. So I Won't.
"mind blowing"? are you 12 years old? you realize there are ppl on this board who actually have experience with what you're talking about.. we're not all children like yourself. 10gh, 12 log, and 120igf? big fucking deal. nothing mind blowing about that.
you're starved for male attention kid. did your real father leave your mother when you were little? and did your mom have an endless string of "daddy's" for you who never really loved you or paid attention to you? is that why you're posting this crap? Is this your 'adult' version of throwing a temper tantrum or acting out for attention?
-
TYPO, MY BAD
30IU ;)
ahh... that's better. lol.
30iu won't have too bad effect on most guys.
I used insulin pretty heavily years ago. Milo's was the only guy who'd tell me how to do it (since I was a youngster at the time #1.. and #2, nobody else really even knew. lol).
Mostly R. I hated Log.. made me sooooo damn sleepy after I ate. Used the longers like N, L, 70/30 ect.. as well. I preferred R. I was more predictable.
15iu before breakfast w/100g pasta breakfast. 5-7iu a few hours later with40-50carb. 10-15iu post workout w/100g potatoes or pasta. 12-15iu before bed with 150-200g carbs from waffles with sugar, cinnamon, and syrup. usually 45-65ish iu/day.
did that for years. It keeps you hungry all day, BUT it also makes you favor carbs or protein when you're hungry... so i'm more concerned with eating a potato than I was a piece of chicken.
I didn't use it for quite a few years... maybe 5-6. Then I thought i'd give it a go again, and my body just didn't respond to it the same way. felt I was actually LOSING weight on it. and I looked flatter and smoother. So i'll stick with igf1.
The hunger is the only thing I 'miss' from insulin.
-
ahh... that's better. lol.
30iu won't have too bad effect on most guys.
I used insulin pretty heavily years ago. Milo's was the only guy who'd tell me how to do it (since I was a youngster at the time #1.. and #2, nobody else really even knew. lol).
Mostly R. I hated Log.. made me sooooo damn sleepy after I ate. Used the longers like N, L, 70/30 ect.. as well. I preferred R. I was more predictable.
15iu before breakfast w/100g pasta breakfast. 5-7iu a few hours later with40-50carb. 10-15iu post workout w/100g potatoes or pasta. 12-15iu before bed with 150-200g carbs from waffles with sugar, cinnamon, and syrup. usually 45-65ish iu/day.
did that for years. It keeps you hungry all day, BUT it also makes you favor carbs or protein when you're hungry... so i'm more concerned with eating a potato than I was a piece of chicken.
I didn't use it for quite a few years... maybe 5-6. Then I thought i'd give it a go again, and my body just didn't respond to it the same way. felt I was actually LOSING weight on it. and I looked flatter and smoother. So i'll stick with igf1.
The hunger is the only thing I 'miss' from insulin.
HOLY FUCK, 300, LMAO, imagine that lol.
No, I meant 30 and lower being conservative use and anything over 30 will have the side effects that we see with the slin bodies, I have seen as high as 100iu per day.
But coach indicating even low dose compromises the aesthetics and that is simply BULLSHIT, 10iu post workout would never alter aesthetics. That ones like Branch, English and Jose are slin abuser 100iu per day and up.
-
Compared to what decade?
Compared to their own aesthetics before they touched slin
-
'very light steroid use' is not something Milo's was familiar with AT ALL. Milos was the pro-version of john o'reagan in terms of doses.
Did you talk to Milos and what kind of dosages did he recommend to you? I'm not talking about what he experimented with, I'm sure he tried a bunch of shit.
What he publically talked about, and what he recommended to some I know was light.
Here's an example cycle Milos put on this forum. Is this BS IYO? These dosages ain't shit.
I mentioned somewhere here on getbig what the true IFBB Olympia competitor cycle looks like - and most of the people attacked not just me, my parents, grandparents...and my ancestors but my whole Religion, Nationality...and...OK.. .I am running out of ideas...
Anyway, what I said than (hopefully someone could find it?) and I will say now:
Smart pros use dramatically LESS than what most of the people believe...
Some of the guys I prepare actually complained on amounts I have given here on board - as WAY TOO MUCH...and I do know few guys who hardly touch those amounts...
But, if you want to accomplish THE BEST EFFECT: Highest anabolism, lowest catabolism, appropriate androgenic activity and possible fat loss while trying to maintain (or gain?) muscle size and considering correct usage and certainly NOT abusing any drugs...keeping eye on possible side effects vs benefits...than my 12 week Olympia cycle would be:
4 weeks:
Sustanon 250 - (500-750 mg/week)
Deca (500 mg/week)
Dboll (3X20mg/day)
Trenbolon (200 mg/week)
Arimidex - 1mg /day
5-8 week:
Test Prop 50-100 mg/day alternate with Test Heptylate 50-100 mg day (500-700 mg/week)
Trenbolon Acetate (200 mg/week)
Primobolan (500 mg/week)
Anadrol (3 x 25 mg/day)
Winstrol tabs (3 x 15 mg/day)
Arimidex - 1 mg /day alternate with 2.5 mg Femara every other day
9-12 week:
Test prop 100 mg/day alternate with 50-100 mg Test Suspension /day - every other day (500-700 mg /week)
Masterone 100 mg every other day - stop 10 days out
Winstrol injectable 50 mg /day (week 9) 100 mg/day (week 10) and 150 mg/day (week 11) - stop 5 days out
Oxandrolone (3 x 10-20 mg/day)
Halotestin (3 x 10 mg/day) / Or Andriol (40 mg Test Undecanoate x 3 /day) - either or?
Arimidex 2 mg (possible 3?) /day
With this cycle possible additions:
Clenbuterol, T3 (cytomel) T4 (Synthroid) GH, insulin, Cytadren....IF needed or available...but you asked for steroids - anyway...
OK?
Got to go now...
BTW, aren't you the "insulin shock" who used to post on bolex years ago? The guy who used 60iu post workout?
-
hurt in what way? Give us examples that are not based on interneg rumors
coach answer this please
-
Milos hurt more people in the long run than he helped. Yes, he fucked up bodybuilding.
You mean for popularizing insulin use? It would have been used anyway. But sure, he did a lot to push it. But, if you think the abominations you see on stage are due to taking 20iu of LOG preworkout then you're wrong. That ain't shit, it's not that much different than drinking a bunch of sugar every workout like your buddy Berardi recommended.
I "fought" a lot with Milos on here, about stupid statements like you can't train too much, load on bar doesn't matter, and so on, but fair is fair. Actually, it seems like your training philosophies have a ton in common. ;)
The gut you saw on Coleman, the gut you see on Kai and etc, is not due to some 20iu of insulin pre-workout regimen. It's due to tons of drugs and cramming your face with 10lbs of fish and pounds of carbs every day. Even Heath, whose friends claim he never touched insulin, has spread abs. If Milos ruined bb then what did these other trainers do? Chad, Hany, Oscar and etc?
-
Years ago I posted the down side of insulin use for non diabetics and they by far outweighed the the benefits. If you want to talk about "bro-science" this would be the perfect time. Using the the most powerful anabolic in your body, for something other than what it should be used for is a huge mistake. Anytime you start using a compound that literally fucks with every metabolic pathway in your body, you're asking for trouble.
-
Years ago I posted the down side of insulin use for non diabetics and they by far outweighed the the benefits. If you want to talk about "bro-science" this would be the perfect time. Using the the most powerful anabolic in your body, for something other than what it should be used for is a huge mistake. Anytime you start using a compound that literally fucks with every metabolic pathway in your body, you're asking for trouble.
Explain it again. Maybe I missed something and I'm always eager to learn.
But, from what I think I know today, something like 10-20iu is a highly physiological dose
and if an athlete is using lots of GH, insulin can save his organs.
Do you advocate raising insulin through natural means during workout times, like Berardi does? If not, why? If you do, why?
Please no balonie like "insulin ages you"... it's far too simplistic a statement if not put in context.
-
Years ago I posted the down side of insulin use for non diabetics and they by far outweighed the the benefits. If you want to talk about "bro-science" this would be the perfect time. Using the the most powerful anabolic in your body, for something other than what it should be used for is a huge mistake. Anytime you start using a compound that literally fucks with every metabolic pathway in your body, you're asking for trouble.
noted
But there are guys out there that know what they are doing bro, don't paint everyone with same brush. Now having said that you are right 9 out 10 people using slin are retards. To say everyone, is dumb though cause clearly guys like Heath and Kai would not be where they are without it.
-
Did you talk to Milos and what kind of dosages did he recommend to you? I'm not talking about what he experimented with, I'm sure he tried a bunch of shit.
What he publically talked about, and what he recommended to some I know was light.
Here's an example cycle Milos put on this forum. Is this BS IYO? These dosages ain't shit.
BTW, aren't you the "insulin shock" who used to post on bolex years ago? The guy who used 60iu post workout?
what he said in person and what he said online were two different things. the 'cycles' attributed to him online were generic outlines. Simplest I can put it is 1-total mg's 3-5g/wk. 2-change your drugs every 3-4 weeks. mentioning mixing "anabolic" and "androgenic" drugs. that's where I disagreed... seeing as how 'androgenic' drugs are anabolic as well. But, if you're buying primo and var from him, it's to his benefit to advocate the pricey anabolics. If you weren't a 'threat' to him financially (contest,training,supplement sales) and he knew you were as 'open minded' or experimental as he was, you'll find yourself in the 5g/wk + range of 2-4 drugs, with no less than 3/4 vial serostim/day (this was way before the cheap Chinese gh).
-
what he said in person and what he said online were two different things. the 'cycles' attributed to him online were generic outlines. Simplest I can put it is 1-total mg's 3-5g/wk. 2-change your drugs every 3-4 weeks. mentioning mixing "anabolic" and "androgenic" drugs. that's where I disagreed... seeing as how 'androgenic' drugs are anabolic as well. But, if you're buying primo and var from him, it's to his benefit to advocate the pricey anabolics. If you weren't a 'threat' to him financially (contest,training,supplement sales) and he knew you were as 'open minded' or experimental as he was, you'll find yourself in the 5g/wk + range of 2-4 drugs, with no less than 3/4 vial serostim/day (this was way before the cheap Chinese gh).
That's interesting, thanks. Would be great if Milos came on here and commented. I'm sure he must be online even these days, hiding in Europe. :D
Milos said on a radio show that GHB was as good as 10iu of GH, and that's what he used when he couldn't afford GH. :D
Yeah, there's no differentiating anabolic and androgenic in the real world. Usually the more androgenic the more anabolic as well.
-
noted
But there are guys out there that know what they are doing bro, don't paint everyone with same brush. Now having said that you are right 9 out 10 people using slin are retards. To say everyone, is dumb though cause clearly guys like Heath and Kai would not be where they are without it.
You're missing the point. There are just somethings that shouldn't be fucked with.
-
That's interesting, thanks. Would be great if Milos came on here and commented. I'm sure he must be online even these days, hiding in Europe. :D
Milos said on a radio show that GHB was as good as 10iu of GH, and that's what he used when he couldn't afford GH. :D
Yeah, there's no differentiating anabolic and androgenic in the real world. Usually the more androgenic the more anabolic as well.
gh isnt addictive. G is one of the most addicitve compounds out there.
man, what guys will do to get big.
-
i used insulin for years.
i used it to push me over 310 pounds.
did it 'ruin my lines'? not at all.
did it give me a huge belly? fuck for a white guy i have a very small torso.
people vicitimise insulin without having ever used it. imo insulin is not the culprit.
its abuse of anabolics, calories, insulin, and gh that results in the undesireable sides.
but to lay it all on insulin is just bullshit and an opinion bourne of ignorance and listening to too many people online who have no clue what the fuck they are talking about. typical 'broscience knowledge'.
-
Thanks Coach
-
You're missing the point. There are just somethings that shouldn't be fucked with.
Why did God make insulin if it's the root of all evil physically?
All things in excess are bad, test, gh, insulin, thyroid, you name it.
gh isnt addictive. G is one of the most addicitve compounds out there.
man, what guys will do to get big.
Never touched it but from what I read it's right there with heroin in addictiveness. A lifetime
of benzo use awaits if a heavy user ever gets off. Permanent alteration in brain chemistry.
Though I did talk to one dude pretty recently who just got out of jail for getting caught with 600 liters. Claims he had no withdrawals in jail, but he only used in the evenings.
-
Any dose of ghb will not equal to 10ius of gorwth hormone. I would doubt anything coming out of milos's mouth if that's what he really said...
-
Any dose of ghb will not equal to 10ius of gorwth hormone. I would doubt anything coming out of milos's mouth if that's what he really said...
Milos likes his narcotics. He was exhibiting classic signs of drug psychosis some time ago. Cops were trying to poison him, unknown assailant knocked him unconscious at his home the day he was to appear in court, etc.
-
Milos likes his narcotics. He was exhibiting classic signs of drug psychosis some time ago. Cops were trying to poison him, unknown assailant knocked him unconscious at his home the day he was to appear in court, etc.
People high on drugs say a lot of crazy shit. At least that's what I've been told...lol.
-
I have always been terrified by the use of insulin...Milos didn't help to quell my fears.
Milos would often preach the need to prime the body before the protocols with carb loading etc. I reject his pseudo science. He is NOT an endocrinologist !
Again, he was entertaining and creative but destroyed a lot of physiques along his crazy 'non scientific' journey.
-
Any dose of ghb will not equal to 10ius of gorwth hormone. I would doubt anything coming out of milos's mouth if that's what he really said...
if G was a substitute for gh i'd be 350 pounds of muscle. :D
-
Hi Milos.....we argued about this on the phone, remember?
- stupid statement... again :-)
-
Remember all this stuff with Milos , Chick , Aaron Singerman blowing up back in '08/'09.
Remember Chick (Aths Rep) not being very happy with Milos...wow, those were the days.
Loved this place when the Pros posted -stop the hate and the Pros will return !
-
Why did God make insulin if it's the root of all evil physically?
All things in excess are bad, test, gh, insulin, thyroid, you name it.
Never touched it but from what I read it's right there with heroin in addictiveness. A lifetime
of benzo use awaits if a heavy user ever gets off. Permanent alteration in brain chemistry.
Though I did talk to one dude pretty recently who just got out of jail for getting caught with 600 liters. Claims he had no withdrawals in jail, but he only used in the evenings.
Holy shit Van, 5'8 men were not made to be fucking 300lbs through insulin use for entertainment purposes.
-
Holy shit Van, 5'8 men were not made to be fucking 300lbs through insulin use for entertainment purposes.
A little insulin will not make anyone 300lbs.
Cyclists may use insulin. They may weigh 130lbs.
Track & Field athletes may use insulin. See the BALCO protocols. They don't weigh 300lbs.
Milos doesn't weigh 300lbs even after 20 years of insulin use.
Lots of lightweight bodybuilders use insulin.
For example, it can be used as an anti-catabolic before marathon workouts. A little insulin will make you 300lbs as much as drinking Gatorade will. 300lb bodybuilders will use a ton of everything and eat so much their abs herniate. They eat and drug so much they wear weight-belts round the clock to keep the gut in. :D
-
I've been using between 10iu and 40iu of slin per day, for years
my aesthetic looks just fine, even when I have average bodyfat level
-
A little insulin will not make anyone 300lbs.
Cyclists may use insulin. They may weigh 130lbs.
Track & Field athletes may use insulin. See the BALCO protocols. They don't weigh 300lbs.
Milos doesn't weigh 300lbs even after 20 years of insulin use.
Lots of lightweight bodybuilders use insulin.
For example, it can be used as an anti-catabolic before marathon workouts. A little insulin will make you 300lbs as much as drinking Gatorade will. 300lb bodybuilders will use a ton of everything and eat so much their abs herniate. They eat and drug so much they wear weight-belts round the clock to keep the gut in. :D
Van, I don't think anyone should be touching it unless its for medical reasons I any sport. As for milos, he used other bodybuilders as his own guinea pigs, what applied to them doesn't necessarily apply to him. Bodybuilders from about 1996 to about
2010-11 were about 40-50lbs bigger on average.compared to those prior to those years and on my opinion, looked worse. Huge yes, but detail to muscle separation and striations were almost nil as compared to say the late 70's, 80's and early 90's. When o see posts on here of old school bodybuilders 80'searly 90's) the general consensus on here is that they were better with a combination of size with a better quality of muscle and yes, small waists.
-
gh isnt addictive. G is one of the most addicitve compounds out there.
man, what guys will do to get big.
Ironically my hrt doc can prescribe me ghb (rebranded as a new drug, xyrem) for low igf1, but can lose his license if he prescribes gh for the same purpose.
Apparently it's about as effective at raising igf1 as semorelin ie not at all, so Milo's was just justifying rec drug use.
-
Van, I don't think anyone should be touching it unless its for medical reasons I any sport. As for milos, he used other bodybuilders as his own guinea pigs, what applied to them doesn't necessarily apply to him. Bodybuilders from about 1996 to about
2010-11 were about 40-50lbs bigger on average.compared to those prior to those years and on my opinion, looked worse. Huge yes, but detail to muscle separation and striations were almost nil as compared to say the late 70's, 80's and early 90's. When o see posts on here of old school bodybuilders 80'searly 90's) the general consensus on here is that they were better with a combination of size with a better quality of muscle and yes, small waists.
Well I agree they look worse today in many cases, but even in the 70s and 80s it was all becoming a little too much for many people. Vince gironda thought most looked like shit, with their big asses and huge thighs. :D
What about GH, do you think that also made bodybuilders look worse? Lots of old-timers think so. Levrone supposedly said he couldn't get those deep cuts after starting GH. Of course the pre-steroid bodybuilders thought steroids ruined everything... everyone looked "the same" after steroids were introduced.
I just don't think insulin is pure evil in every case. It was used in the mid 90s by most top pros and they looked great to me. It's like there's just less talent today... it's not just the drugs. It's genetically inferior guys on lots of drugs. Guys focusing on "fullness" instead of cuts.
-
I've been using between 10iu and 40iu of slin per day, for years
my aesthetic looks just fine, even when I have average bodyfat level
Hey hot stuff.
-
Coach,
Milos recommends no more than 20iu of humalog. So, i guess, that is the limit??
Furthermore, Milos recommends 15g per IU of carbs via intra workout drinks. He says you must consume around half of it before the first shot and then sip the rest during the course of the workout.
Interesting stuff
-
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=486247.0;attach=527893;image)
nice tits
-
I've been using between 10iu and 40iu of slin per day, for years
my aesthetic looks just fine, even when I have average bodyfat level
fuck me, is that pupil stavio blown up from within?
-
if you see where stavios has came from to get to this, its very impressive, packed a ton of lean size on... what did you leave for?
-
Remember all this stuff with Milos , Chick , Aaron Singerman blowing up back in '08/'09.
Remember Chick (Aths Rep) not being very happy with Milos...wow, those were the days.
Loved this place when the Pros posted -stop the hate and the Pros will return !
You are the biggest haters of the pros out there you POS, you start threads about them hating like a jealous little bitch. ;)
-
if G was a substitute for gh i'd be 350 pounds of muscle. :D
ahahhaa
I've been using between 10iu and 40iu of slin per day, for years
my aesthetic looks just fine, even when I have average bodyfat level
Welcome home fag!
-
if you see where stavios has came from to get to this, its very impressive, packed a ton of lean size on... what did you leave for?
I don't even train or eat seriously nowadays, I just train for fun and take the supps without scratching my head and i gain size little by little
as far as the gyno, haha yes it does look bad on pictures but IRL nobody has every commented on it so it must not look that bad. I am not competing anymore so I don't care that much about it :)
-
I don't even train or eat seriously nowadays, I just train for fun and take the supps without scratching my head and i gain size little by little
as far as the gyno, haha yes it does look bad on pictures but IRL nobody has every commented on it so it must not look that bad. I am not competing anymore so I don't care that much about it :)
you look good bro, and no that gyno is not that bad at all, you are holding some water and water always exaggerates the gyno.
-
I don't even train or eat seriously nowadays, I just train for fun and take the supps without scratching my head and i gain size little by little
as far as the gyno, haha yes it does look bad on pictures but IRL nobody has every commented on it so it must not look that bad. I am not competing anymore so I don't care that much about it :)
So many people irl have gyno and don't even know it.
-
i used insulin for years.
i used it to push me over 310 pounds.
did it 'ruin my lines'? not at all.
did it give me a huge belly? fuck for a white guy i have a very small torso.
people vicitimise insulin without having ever used it. imo insulin is not the culprit.
its abuse of anabolics, calories, insulin, and gh that results in the undesireable sides.
but to lay it all on insulin is just bullshit and an opinion bourne of ignorance and listening to too many people online who have no clue what the fuck they are talking about. typical 'broscience knowledge'.
villainize
-
it's not the insulin blurring the lines... it's bodyfat and water.
I used copious amounts and when I was big, I wasn't 'crisp' or deeply separated. Then recently (a few months ago) I was the leanest, driest, most separated i'd ever been.
it's also not insulin causing 'growth' of the muscles in the stomach. In my opinion, based on my experience, anyways. It's the ability of insulin to make you hungry alllllll the time, and gh's ability to keep you lean when pounding down food. That much food bloats your stomach. Doesn't matter if you're 12% or 5% bf.
I say 'in my experience', because when I was big (bbing 'big', not when I was pling), my stomach was in the 36-38's. Hard with abs/serratus ect. Now a few months ago I was down to 31 damn near 30, and couldn't push my stomach out if I tried. If it were permanent growth, that wouldn't have happened (esp considering about 18months before that I was at a 41" waist and about 50lbs heavier (heavier than I was then, not now).
-
it's not the insulin blurring the lines... it's bodyfat and water.
I used copious amounts and when I was big, I wasn't 'crisp' or deeply separated. Then recently (a few months ago) I was the leanest, driest, most separated i'd ever been.
it's also not insulin causing 'growth' of the muscles in the stomach. In my opinion, based on my experience, anyways. It's the ability of insulin to make you hungry alllllll the time, and gh's ability to keep you lean when pounding down food. That much food bloats your stomach. Doesn't matter if you're 12% or 5% bf.
I say 'in my experience', because when I was big (bbing 'big', not when I was pling), my stomach was in the 36-38's. Hard with abs/serratus ect. Now a few months ago I was down to 31 damn near 30, and couldn't push my stomach out if I tried. If it were permanent growth, that wouldn't have happened (esp considering about 18months before that I was at a 41" waist and about 50lbs heavier (heavier than I was then, not now).
This is wrong, Kevin English, Warren, and Jose all had better lines at the beginning of their careers. Come contest when there is no water or fat left, some lines are missing due to the visceral fat build up within the muscle caused by insulin.
The lines are also not as deep and they are are shallow, of course this is not an over night occurrence, we are talking abuse for a very long time.
-
This is wrong, Kevin English, Warren, and Jose all had better lines at the beginning of their careers. Come contest when there is no water or fat left, some lines are missing due to the visceral fat build up within the muscle caused by insulin.
The lines are also not as deep and they are are shallow, of course this is not an over night occurrence, we are talking abuse for a very long time.
what i'm saying is... if they stopped using insulin, it IS possible to get back the separation they had.
It's not gone forever.
-
You are the biggest haters of the pros out there you POS, you start threads about them hating like a jealous little bitch. ;)
....a jealous little bitch.
hmmm who could be this ???, 5'4 tall resident of Newcastle (Australia) ;) ;D
(1Xhard deserves a bottle of "Blue Label Johnie Walker")
-
....a jealous little bitch.
hmmm who could be this ???, 5'4 tall resident of Newcastle (Australia) ;) ;D
(1Xhard deserves a bottle of "Blue Label Johnie Walker")
hell ya
-
Luke Wood followed Milos' protocols to the letter...well almost:
10-12 iu HGH pre-workout
10-12iu Novalog pre-workout
120-140mcg igf-1lr3 post-workout
Luke was a great guy but not the sharpest tool in the shed. Milos knew this and exploited Luke's gullibility. I personally hounded Luke for years to dump Milos and his evil regime....Luke never listened!
-
There is no science behind professional bodybuilding. This is a fact. Lots of 'experts', including Caro, Hank Wood and others believe they are knowledgeable but they are not authorities on drugs in bodybuilding. So I hope they are careful about statements blaming parties about consequences relating to drug protocols, etc. They could be right about some claims but have no way of establishing cause and effect re particular bodybuilders. I presume most pros have a long, long history of using many substances and who can state the consequences of those sustained and varied cocktails?
-
There is no science behind professional bodybuilding. This is a fact. Lots of 'experts', including Caro, Hank Wood and others believe they are knowledgeable but they are not authorities on drugs in bodybuilding. So I hope they are careful about statements blaming parties about consequences relating to drug protocols, etc. They could be right about some claims but have no way of establishing cause and effect re particular bodybuilders. I presume most pros have a long, long history of using many substances and who can state the consequences of those sustained and varied cocktails?
Fair call Vince. But just for the record, i have never claimed to be an 'expert' re. drug protocols. To the contrary, to this day 'i call out' the misinformed bro scientists and backyard- endocrinlogists.You are aware of this Vince and i am not sure why you are trying to stir up shit.
Vince, you are aware of Luke and his relationship with Milos? Furthermore, don't you recall Luke saying that he got his dosages of insulin wrong -hence, brought about the precipitation of his health issues?
-
If Luke stuffed up what was 'prescribed' by a factor of 10 then where does the blame lay? My point is that the pros, including Luke have a long, complicated history of using all manner of substances and only medical people can make statements about what happened. So posting about matters of fact as if one were an authority is totally unacceptable.
-
Insulin. >:(
-
If Luke stuffed up what was 'prescribed' by a factor of 10 then where does the blame lay? My point is that the pros, including Luke have a long, complicated history of using all manner of substances and only medical people can make statements about what happened. So posting about matters of fact as if one were an authority is totally unacceptable.
Where does the blame lay? Of course, ultimately with the person holding the needle. However, with everything in life, it is just a little more complicated than that.
Luke was a flawed character. Yes, he was a big, lovable and gullible teddy bear. Yes, he was overtly insecure and self loathing -as most Pros are. This in turn lead Luke down an obsessive route. As in life, everything is about timing -and in walked the brash, cocky and confident Milos who had a dream and a vision to sell. Luke was instantly hooked.
Milos was, and is, a very conniving, manipulative and dominating personality. Luke was putty in his hands. Luke would become the guinea pig for Milos' trials of the chemical theories and insulin protocols that we hear so much about.
Vince, you must be able to see this for what it is?
-
We all saw that Luke was a huge guy. He needed bigger triceps but was a top competitor. Imagine the incentive to get a little bit better and win shows and prize money for those gifted like Luke. Milos took Luke on and befriended him. Can anyone say that what happened was intentional? No. Luke might have already damaged himself from previous things and that we don't know. I agree that using what the pros allegedly do is insanity. But there you are. They make that choice and some pay the ultimate price.
-
We all saw that Luke was a huge guy. He needed bigger triceps but was a top competitor. Imagine the incentive to get a little bit better and win shows and prize money for those gifted like Luke. Milos took Luke on and befriended him. Can anyone say that what happened was intentional? No. Luke might have already damaged himself from previous things and that we don't know. I agree that using what the pros allegedly do is insanity. But there you are. They make that choice and some pay the ultimate price.
What? Luke a top competitor? You see Vince this lies at the root of the problem. It was enablers like yourself that attributed to Luke believing he could be anything above an average regional competitor.
Luke did not have the basis genetic structure to be a top Pro. His deep insecurities and lack of self belief lead him down the yellow brick road....where he met the callous, charismatic, manipulative and deceptive Milos.
Milos seduced Luke into believing he could one day achieve elite Pro status. The dream was embodied in syringes full of insulin...Poor Luke.
-
Who the fuck is Caro?
-
lukes boyfrned or a homo who way rejected by milos
yawn. trolling again. leave this thread you pathetic gimmick!
-
Who the fuck is Caro?
The knew little annoying bitch in town here at a getbig, you know how it goes with these little pest. ¸
They lurk for 3 years here at getbig and then say, ``fuck it, I am ready`` then gear up the courage to post here on getbig and come guns a blazing but within 500 posts their morale is weakened and they wither away for another 3 years.
TRUE STORY
-
So from Vince's post... Is it safe to say Caro is a guru to the pros?
And the term guru is relative, mind you...
Yes Bro, everything in life is 'relative.'
All shit aside, Luke was a stand up guy. When he walked into a room it would light up! He always had a smile and a kind word. Milos saw these qualities as weaknesses that could be manipulated.
I stand by my assertion that if Luke had NOT recklessly embarked upon the insulin protocols he would be with us today!
-
The knew little annoying bitch in town here at a getbig, you know how it goes with these little pest. ¸
They lurk for 3 years here at getbig and then say, ``fuck it, I am ready`` then gear up the courage to post here on getbig and come guns a blazing but within 500 posts their morale is weakened and they wither away for another 3 years.
TRUE STORY
Yeah, it looks like it. And what the fuck is wrong with this dude saying "get out of the thread, gimmick"? Does he really think someone is gonna listen to him?
And who the hell is his avi, his boyfriend?
-
Yeah, it looks like it. And what the fuck is wrong with this dude saying "get out of the thread, gimmick"? Does he really think someone is gonna listen to him?
And who the hell is his avi, his boyfriend?
boring troll !
-
What a lot of people don't understand is that the guys abusing insulin are the same guys haphazardly cycling tons of gear and eating equally as sloppy. Insulin isn't as forgiving and most people who aren't respectful of the drug will provide too large of a buffer and simply over eat and eat poorly at that.
Insulin can and is used at safe doses. But like anything else we only talk about the horror stories. We've all see idiots eat handfuls of dbol and anadrol, shoot vials of sust and drink and party 5 nights a week and look like they're on the verge of death. Just gear, no insulin.
Same douche takes insulin and everyone online points and tells each other to be careful because insulin is dangerous. No, misinformation is dangerous. Millions take it daily and dozens of thousands of bodybuilders do too. Not all of those bodybuilders destroy their physique.
-
Luke was Mr Australia and far above a regional winner. I offered to help Luke get his triceps up but he never presented at my gym.
I made the same offer to Milos and he sure didn't accept the suggestion! We sorted things out later.
Guys who have no hope of winning a big title have just as much motivation as the guys who place in the top 6 at the Olympia. Who are we to deny them the chance to
transcend who they are and win important titles. The best example of a guy with seemingly poor genetics was Larry Scott. He was narrow and just a local title winner
from Idaho. Vince Gironda wasn't impressed. Larry even invented new training methods and exercises to build his arms and shoulders to Mr Olympia level. If a guy like
Larry presented at my gym in those days saying he wanted to be a big bodybuilder I would have discouraged him. Today I let people choose their own destiny. Most
ignor good advice, anyway.
Luke wasn't far from winning pro titles. Especially a few weeks out. Dennis James had a similar problem and a few weeks out seemed unbeatable.
-
What? Luke a top competitor? You see Vince this lies at the root of the problem. It was enablers like yourself that attributed to Luke believing he could be anything above an average regional competitor.
Luke did not have the basis genetic structure to be a top Pro. His deep insecurities and lack of self belief lead him down the yellow brick road....where he met the callous, charismatic, manipulative and deceptive Milos.
Milos seduced Luke into believing he could one day achieve elite Pro status. The dream was embodied in syringes full of insulin...Poor Luke.
Yes, it is clearly insanity to claim that this guy has any potential to be one of the top pro's in modern bodybuilding: (http://www.dutchbodybuilding.com/gallery/data/900/wild_card_2.jpg) Or is it? Well, no. It is only an opinion of the teen "guru", who is talking from his ass. We all know that any fucking bleeding idiot can be "expert" in the internet, but even then your claims have to make sense. Luke Wood did have great potential, just like some other guys like Marko Savolainen for example. Problem is that one can survive that amount of drugs, and one doesn't. Luke and Marko burnt out their system and lose their kidneys. Marko has new one and he is willingly burning that out too. We all know what happen to Luke. So what is the truth? Fuck Milos, he is just as stupid and fake as any of the experts in this sport. Only truth is that they all are experiencing with expence of the health of the others. This is how the bodybuilding gurus work. Best of these guys has the claim: it worked on me, it has to work on you, like Milos, but even that doesn't prove anything because it is all about your personal metabolism and its ability to utilize these drugs. Only history will show what happen, did you survive or not, and this is only truth in this matter. These guys put's their healt on the hands of some freaking idiots and hope for glory. There is no sciense in it, only some luck, which is better for some of us. Next victim of Milos is here, and only time will tell what happen to him:
-
Who the fuck is Caro?
Someone who placed 4th at the Ifbb World ;D
-
This is wrong, Kevin English, Warren, and Jose all had better lines at the beginning of their careers. Come contest when there is no water or fat left, some lines are missing due to the visceral fat build up within the muscle caused by insulin.
The lines are also not as deep and they are are shallow, of course this is not an over night occurrence, we are talking abuse for a very long time.
BOOM! knocked the fuck out.
"Its not the insulin that blurs lines it's the fat and water"
are you fucking kidding me?!!
I called this EFTfitness bitch out on his bullshit a while ago OTH.... he claims he was 260lbs and shredded in 2005 lol
-
it's not the insulin blurring the lines... it's bodyfat and water.
I used copious amounts and when I was big, I wasn't 'crisp' or deeply separated. Then recently (a few months ago) I was the leanest, driest, most separated i'd ever been.
it's also not insulin causing 'growth' of the muscles in the stomach. In my opinion, based on my experience, anyways. It's the ability of insulin to make you hungry alllllll the time, and gh's ability to keep you lean when pounding down food. That much food bloats your stomach. Doesn't matter if you're 12% or 5% bf.
I say 'in my experience', because when I was big (bbing 'big', not when I was pling), my stomach was in the 36-38's. Hard with abs/serratus ect. Now a few months ago I was down to 31 damn near 30, and couldn't push my stomach out if I tried. If it were permanent growth, that wouldn't have happened (esp considering about 18months before that I was at a 41" waist and about 50lbs heavier (heavier than I was then, not now).
just how stupid are you?
-
BOOM! knocked the fuck out.
"Its not the insulin that blurs lines it's the fat and water"
are you fucking kidding me?!!
I called this EFTfitness bitch out on his bullshit a while ago OTH.... he claims he was 260lbs and shredded in 2005 lol
i'm still waiting on your PM to let me know when and where you want to meet kid.
you're a 20yr old KID and you're fucking with the wrong person.
-
Milos gets a bad wrap, Truth be told Luke followed a protocol of whatever Milos advises x 3 and that's where he got into trouble, im not a fan of insulin, I don't like the modern look, Ifbb judging criteria is to blame, as with most big companies these days they are more worried about potential liability and with the new look there are less guys dropping dead from dehydration due indirectly to the new look retaining more fluid in the body.
-
i'm still waiting on your PM to let me know when and where you want to meet kid.
you're a 20yr old KID and you're fucking with the wrong person.
Not another internet badass. ::)
Why dont you post a pic big shot then he knows who you are.
-
Milos gets a bad wrap, Truth be told Luke followed a protocol of whatever Milos advises x 3 and that's where he got into trouble, im not a fan of insulin, I don't like the modern look, Ifbb judging criteria is to blame, as with most big companies these days they are more worried about potential liability and with the new look there are less guys dropping dead from dehydration due indirectly to the new look retaining more fluid in the body.
good post.
-
Luke was Mr Australia and far above a regional winner. I offered to help Luke get his triceps up but he never presented at my gym.
I made the same offer to Milos and he sure didn't accept the suggestion! We sorted things out later.
Guys who have no hope of winning a big title have just as much motivation as the guys who place in the top 6 at the Olympia. Who are we to deny them the chance to
transcend who they are and win important titles. The best example of a guy with seemingly poor genetics was Larry Scott. He was narrow and just a local title winner
from Idaho. Vince Gironda wasn't impressed. Larry even invented new training methods and exercises to build his arms and shoulders to Mr Olympia level. If a guy like
Larry presented at my gym in those days saying he wanted to be a big bodybuilder I would have discouraged him. Today I let people choose their own destiny. Most
ignor good advice, anyway.
Luke wasn't far from winning pro titles. Especially a few weeks out. Dennis James had a similar problem and a few weeks out seemed unbeatable.
I cant imagine why luke wouldn't want to take advice from a fat idiot who got in shape once 30 years ago ::)
-
I offered to help Luke get his triceps up but he never presented at my gym.
Please, what could you have possibly done that he hadnt done already to improve his triceps.
Please, Im eager to know.
-
Not another internet badass. ::)
Why dont you post a pic big shot then he knows who you are.
got nothing to do with being a 'badass'. he wants to call me a bitch and a coward, he can do it to my face.
and with what I may talk about on here, you think for a second Im going to be goaded into indentifying myself? for what? 'respect' on here from people like you? lol@ you thinking your opinion matters. I have a real life, with real responsibilities, and real bills, and not a single 'character' here is worth a bowl of dicks to my 'real life'.
-
got nothing to do with being a 'badass'. he wants to call me a bitch and a coward, he can do it to my face.
and with what I may talk about on here, you think for a second Im going to be goaded into indentifying myself? for what? 'respect' on here from people like you? lol@ you thinking your opinion matters. I have a real life, with real responsibilities, and real bills, and not a single 'character' here is worth a bowl of dicks to my 'real life'.
I feel exactly the same. ;)
-
got nothing to do with being a 'badass'. he wants to call me a bitch and a coward, he can do it to my face.
and with what I may talk about on here, you think for a second Im going to be goaded into indentifying myself? for what? 'respect' on here from people like you? lol@ you thinking your opinion matters. I have a real life, with real responsibilities, and real bills, and not a single 'character' here is worth a bowl of dicks to my 'real life'.
lmao at bowl of dicks
however cant you see the contradictory nature of your post
you care enough to throw hands over a perceived insult on here
I assume that you aren't going to turn up in disguise to let your hands go
thus it would seem you are drowning in your own bowl of dicks
-
I assume that you aren't going to turn up in disguise to let your hands go
An elf costume maybe?
-
lmao at bowl of dicks
however cant you see the contradictory nature of your postyea, I can see it.
you care enough to throw hands over a perceived insult on herenobody'd hear about it
I assume that you aren't going to turn up in disguise to let your hands go
thus it would seem you are drowning in your own bowl of dicks
-
nobody'd hear about it
Really, suppose you hit him and caused him serious injury or killed him?
Idiot.
-
Really, suppose you hit him and caused him serious injury or killed him?
Idiot.
so what?
-
so what?
I think his point is
that there could be some legal repercussions
and that it would be difficult to persuade the court system to let you keep your anonymity so you could own people on here
-
so what?
Do I really have to spell it out to you dumbass
Dont you think the police would want to speak to the last person he was with, do you think he would turn up alone, would you turn up alone?
What if he shot or stabbed you?
Jeez Im beginning to think its you thats the teenager.
-
I cant imagine why luke wouldn't want to take advice from a fat idiot who got in shape once 30 years ago ::)
A bit of advice for you pathetic hater - ''get out of this thread. take your trolling ways elsewhere . YOU ARE NOT WANTED HERE.''
-
A bit of advice for you pathetic hater - ''get out of this thread. take your trolling ways elsewhere . YOU ARE NOT WANTED HERE.''
I don't think it's trolling to point out yet another Vince Basille overextension.
I know he means well but he has overextended his role in people's lives on numerous times, here - and we're just talking about the ones we know of.
-
(http://gallery.rxmuscle.com/newgallery/IMG_3248_ENBPLPDMWX.jpg)
-
A bit of advice for you pathetic hater - ''get out of this thread. take your trolling ways elsewhere . YOU ARE NOT WANTED HERE.''
scary stuff ::)
-
scary stuff ::)
the troll again...yawn. waste of space gimmick you are.
-
the troll again...yawn. waste of space gimmick you are.
fuck off twink
you are scared to post on your main account
so you hide in the shadows like a coward
-
more from this troll...stop following all over the board you waste-of-space-gimmick...do not post in this thread.
just bought yourself a ban skippy :-*
-
stuff like this is why getbig always has been and always will be a complete joke.
cowards running their mouths behind keyboards.
-
stuff like this is why getbig always has been and always will be a complete joke.
cowards running their mouths behind keyboards.
Getbig is a large setup for getting people to react to trolls.
You reacting to it is the punchline.
Why give people the satisfaction?
-
cowards running their mouths behind keyboards.
Do you want to meet up then you can kill me?
-
Vince,
i remember Luke saying on here he had been prescribed 200mcg of t3 by Milos but misread the dosage, and instead was using 2000mcg.
I believe this is what put him on a slippery slide to an early grave.
Sure, the mad scientist Milos who had been masquerading as Luke's 'prep guru' should have seen signs and things may have worked out differently.
Attention: Trolls, Gimmicks and Haters -STAY OUT OF THIS THREAD!
-
so luke was so fucking dumb he thought 2000mcg of t3 is just fine?after all those years?
natural selection is a bitch i guess.
how can a pro not know the proper t3 dosages ::)
Luke was gullible, igorant and a dream chaser. No one is arguing that Luke was a rocket scientist.
Yes, he should have checked and double checked these dosages. Then again, Milos should have been the mentor/prep guru that he was being paid to be by Luke.
I believe Luke is responsible for his own actions -to a degree. However, Milos was being paid to do a job . He was derelict in his duty of care for Luke...Both men share the blame for this tragic set of circumstances!
-
Do you want to meet up then you can kill me?
why would I do your family a favor like that?
you're like that kid in high school who smoked weed all day and thought he was 'cool' when he laughed at people, when in reality, everybody else is laughing at you for being a loser and a burnout, knowing 20yrs later, you'd be doing the same thing... except in 'real life' we just don't waste our times with people like you. We fire you from your jobs and nobody wants to hang out with you or be your 'friend' because you're a cancer.. you're a toxic person. a piece of garbage.. that nobody has any time for (except OTHER pieces of garbage.. bigmc, flintstones, galinko, ect...)
-
if he mixed his own t3 powder/cap/liq, misdosing is easy.. even a misdose of 10x is easy if you're not thorough.
-
nah comeon, comeon!
a bodybuilder using peds, steroids are 1thing,cant happen too bad things apart fro gyno hairloss etc short term, but thyroid hormones and all the rest, a grown up man will inform themselves on dosages etc before doing so.
i mean, isnt it unbelievable that luke went so far and still had no idea on t3 protocols?any gymrat will know more or less how and how much t3 to use.
Any gymrat should know about t3 dosages. However, Luke had whats been described as a 'child's mind'. A lovely guy but a simpleton.
Luke was a victim, plain and simple.
-
Luke destroyed himself with T3 many times infact every time he looked good a week out and turned up flat smooth and small it was from his insistence on overusing the drug when he didn't have to.
Luke also took diuretics all the time, he was a very nice but totally insecure guy, I have never met someone who would put fake tan on, site inject weak bodyparts like most would on contest day and take diuretics just to walk in a gym for a regular workout, just so gym rats could be blown away. He had a sickness and it killed him, he wouldn't listen to Milos or anyone, he frequently held back the truth, so much so like most compulsive liars he lost track of what was real and what was not, in saying that he was a very nice guy who never harmed anyone other than himself. RIP Luke.
-
I have never met someone who would put fake tan on, site inject weak bodyparts like most would on contest day and take diuretics just to walk in a gym for a regular workout, just so gym rats could be blown away.
What about a guy who preps for three days to go to a pool party?
-
Luke destroyed himself with T3 many times infact every time he looked good a week out and turned up flat smooth and small it was from his insistence on overusing the drug when he didn't have to.
Luke also took diuretics all the time, he was a very nice but totally insecure guy, I have never met someone who would put fake tan on, site inject weak bodyparts like most would on contest day and take diuretics just to walk in a gym for a regular workout, just so gym rats could be blown away. He had a sickness and it killed him, he wouldn't listen to Milos or anyone, he frequently held back the truth, so much so like most compulsive liars he lost track of what was real and what was not, in saying that he was a very nice guy who never harmed anyone other than himself. RIP Luke.
Honest, that is a humbling post. I miss Luke. He was such an affable guy.
In your post you point out that Luke 'wouldn't listen to Milos....'
I'm not sure where you're going with this. I think Luke listened 'too much' to Milos. He was totally seduced by him. In Luke's eyes, Milos could do no wrong -and herein lies the problem.
-
Honest, that is a humbling post. I miss Luke. He was such an affable guy.
In your post you point out that Luke 'wouldn't listen to Milos....'
I'm not sure where you're going with this. I think Luke listened 'too much' to Milos. He was totally seduced by him. In Luke's eyes, Milos could do no wrong -and herein lies the problem.
He went to Milos for advice Milos gave him advice and Luke decided if he took double what Milios advise he would get double the results.
I think thats the point hes making.
-
He went to Milos for advice Milos gave him advice and Luke decided if he took double what Milios advise he would get double the results.
I think thats the point hes making.
I fail to realise why people dont grasp that.
If he admitted to drug use hes finished.
They should really only deny when asked though because offering the denial when its not even requested just rubs people up the wrong way.
-
He went to Milos for advice Milos gave him advice and Luke decided if he took double what Milios advise he would get double the results.
I think thats the point hes making.
No, Luke openly acknowledged that he mixed up mcg ratios. Luke wasn't known for his intellect, critical thinking and understanding of how insulin interacts.
-
No, Luke openly acknowledged that he mixed up mcg ratios. Luke wasn't known for his intellect, critical thinking and understanding of how insulin interacts.
Yes, thats what hes getting at.
You may be right about Luke fucking up but thats not what I meant.
I was simply indicating what the other poster was getting at.
-
Can't blame Milos. He knows his stuff
-
Yes, thats what hes getting at.
You may be right about Luke fucking up but thats not what I meant.
I was simply indicating what the other poster was getting at.
ok, point taken
-
Can't blame Milos. He knows his stuff
I wouldn't trust a mad scientist.
Yes, Milos was a forerunner in the sport re. Insulin.
In my opinion, i think he has damaged the sport.
-
I wouldn't trust a mad scientist.
Yes, Milos was a forerunner in the sport re. Insulin.
In my opinion, i think he has damaged the sport.
not really..people need to take responsibility for their actions...he did not force anyone
-
not really..people need to take responsibility for their actions...he did not force anyone
He may not have forced anyone. However, Milos is incredibly charismatic, persuasive and dogmatic.
He took Luke into his stable of athletes at the Koloseum. Luke spent many a night at Milos home, eating, drinking (non alcoholic) and laughing.
Luke thought he had made a friend an 'unconditional friend' -HOW WRONG LUKE WAS ABOUT THE CONNIVING AND MANIPULATIVE MILOS!
-
He may not have forced anyone. However, Milos is incredibly charismatic, persuasive and dogmatic.
He took Luke into his stable of athletes at the Koloseum. Luke spent many a night at Milos home, eating, drinking (non alcoholic) and laughing.
Luke thought he had made a friend an 'unconditional friend' -HOW WRONG LUKE WAS ABOUT THE CONNIVING AND MANIPULATIVE MILOS!
yawn..learn to take responsability. You should be an adult
-
yawn..learn to take responsability. You should be an adult
You're not understanding the premise. I am not debating the issue of responsibility!
I have been very clear and consistent in regards to the concept of character and Milos' modus operandi....
-
Milos did a number on chris Dim! But milos was not doing anything that diffrent then what other trainers/gurus were doing. Milos got alot of pros to start lifting lighter weights wich is smart. It does not take that much weight o look like a bodybuilder. I like milos's theory on doing a insane amount of reps on your last set.It is def better to lift a little bit lighter of weight then usuali but lift it using perfetc form then lifting heavier and using shitty form. look how Branch warren lifts weights! Pure garbage!
-
Milos did a number on chris Dim! But milos was not doing anything that diffrent then what other trainers/gurus were doing. Milos got alot of pros to start lifting lighter weights wich is smart. It does not take that much weight o look like a bodybuilder. I like milos's theory on doing a insane amount of reps on your last set.It is def better to lift a little bit lighter of weight then usuali but lift it using perfetc form then lifting heavier and using shitty form. look how Branch warren lifts weights! Pure garbage!
Yes, Milos promoted the use of the pink dumbbells.lol.
I do agree with his philosophy regarding weights and reps...but not about agree with the insulin protocols.
-
You seem to have a grudge against him and it is clouding your judgement ... Pretty obvious
-
Yes, Milos promoted the use of the pink dumbbells.lol.
I do agree with his philosophy regarding weights and reps...but not about agree with the insulin protocols.
im sure he is losing sleep over a second rate gimmick from bitch tits 15.org
-
im sure he is losing sleep over a second rate gimmick from bitch tits 15.org
wow, we have a trolling hater...you are not wanted in this thread...leave gimmick.
-
I wouldn't trust a mad scientist.
Yes, Milos was a forerunner in the sport re. Insulin.
In my opinion, i think he has damaged the sport.
Bullshit Caro Lee, Insulin was in use by pro rugby league players before Milos arrival on the scene.
Just go away.
-
I always found Milos to be completely opposite of how hes described, most of his advice was very conservative, he gets a bad wrap, I can honestly say he did so much for so many and for nothing, that was why most of the time he was broke. Fair enough he really pushed insulin use mainstream, but his protocols were use, other guys abuse. Milos was really sought out by guys who didn't have the very top genetics, the pros are full of these type of guys, they are battling their genetics with science, he cannot be held responsible for what happened, If a paitent is prescribed a drug by a doctor and exceeds his recommended dosage greatly is it the doctors fault or the patients, blood sucking lawyers have created a profit driven agenda that creates a legal argument todays society is full of people who want to blame others, truth is take away financial gain and most things in life especially illegal drug use all responsibility rests with the individual.
-
Bullshit Caro Lee, Insulin was in use by pro rugby league players before Milos arrival on the scene.
Just go away.
Hating troll.
-
I always found Milos to be completely opposite of how hes described, most of his advice was very conservative, he gets a bad wrap, I can honestly say he did so much for so many and for nothing, that was why most of the time he was broke. Fair enough he really pushed insulin use mainstream, but his protocols were use, other guys abuse. Milos was really sought out by guys who didn't have the very top genetics, the pros are full of these type of guys, they are battling their genetics with science, he cannot be held responsible for what happened, If a paitent is prescribed a drug by a doctor and exceeds his recommended dosage greatly is it the doctors fault or the patients, blood sucking lawyers have created a profit driven agenda that creates a legal argument todays society is full of people who want to blame others, truth is take away financial gain and most things in life especially illegal drug use all responsibility rests with the individual.
I just think when people like Milos sell themselves as prep gurus they have to be aware that they are setting themselves up for a big fall if they are not right on the money.
-
I just think when people like Milos sell themselves as prep gurus they have to be aware that they are setting themselves up for a big fall if they are not right on the money.
Has Milos ever referred to himself as a guru?
-
Caro Lee say Hi to your daughter ;D ;D ;D
-
Lee isn't Caro or Hank Wood.
-
Caro Lee say Hi to your daughter ;D ;D ;D
lol...i control your mind. wow, you are one crazy stalker.
your gimmick is so boring and worn out! time to move on Hater!
-
Has Milos ever referred to himself as a guru?
Yes, the term 'prep guru' figured in many of his ramblings!
-
Yes, the term 'prep guru' figured in many of his ramblings!
Evidence please.
-
Evidence please.
Milos is the evidence
-
Milos is the evidence
So you have no references at all that Milos ever referred to himself as a guru.
Thanks troll.
-
Milos is the evidence
[/quote
Caro Lee, start your own site, Get Big is too Big 4 U :D :D :D]
-
I respect Milos as a world authority on hypertrophy. He is clearly an expert on bodybuilding chemicals. I rather doubt most here would know what he advocated. The internet can be a bad source of information about people. Everyone here is an expert!
-
I respect Milos as a world authority on hypertrophy. He is clearly an expert on bodybuilding chemicals. I rather doubt most here would know what he advocated. The internet can be a bad source of information about people. Everyone here is an expert!
including you, you fat patronising cu nt
-
So you have no references at all that Milos ever referred to himself as a guru.
Thanks troll.
Easy on the hate. Milos used the term 'prep guru'. Why? Because that is what he was. Ever been to the Koleseum?
Now, if you want start playing the 'hating-trolling-game' then it is time for you to leave this thread...thanx
-
including you, you fat patronising cu nt
what a disgusting hating troll you are! leave the thread gimmick!
-
including you, you fat patronising cu nt
Caro Lee, you must be now around 5'3, aging factor ;D ;D ;D
-
Caro Lee, you must be now around 5'3, aging factor ;D ;D ;D
Trolling threads again...and again...and again...bye bye hater!
-
Trolling threads again...and again...and again...bye bye hater!
Name "yours" gym little man ;D ;D ;D
-
Milos used the term 'prep guru'.
So you keep saying yet you cant reference it.
Stop telling lies to further your agenda here.
-
Name "yours" gym little man ;D ;D ;D
Oh, that's a surprise, it is the troll again !
-
So you keep saying yet you cant reference it.
Stop telling lies to further your agenda here.
lol..and so says the hater...leave this thread.
-
lol..and so says the hater...leave this thread.
Im not the one telling lies about Milos, that would be you.
-
Im not the one telling lies about Milos, that would be you.
Yawn...you hater.
Oh yeah, just for the record 'Milos was a prep guru'.
Oh yeah, 'NEWS FLASH !' , there was this guy called Milos who once owned the Koleseum. He was known as the 'prep guru' by his stable of athletes and the bodybuilding community at large.
Now please leave this thread you boring gimmick!
-
lol..and so says the hater...leave this thread.
wow telling others to leave & at the same time calling p. graham dictator ::) ::) ::)
-
wow telling others to leave & at the same time calling p. graham dictator ::) ::) ::)
More trolling eh ? What a sad gimmick you are !
-
Yawn...you hater.
Oh yeah, just for the record 'Milos was a prep guru'.
Oh yeah, 'NEWS FLASH !' , there was this guy called Milos who once owned the Koleseum. He was known as the 'prep guru' by his stable of athletes and the bodybuilding community at large.
Now please leave this thread you boring gimmick!
And which gym Lee Priest owned in Newcastle or elsewhere ;D ;D ;D
-
And which gym Lee Priest owned in Newcastle or elsewhere ;D ;D ;D
Get therapy for your trolling. It has become quite a mind made disease.
Ta ta Hater !
-
And which gym Lee Priest owned in Newcastle or elsewhere ;D ;D ;D
lee priest has become the joke of the bb industry
wrestling old men in hotel rooms to make ends meet
lee the fat midget is penniless with only his tattoos to keep him company
-
Yawn...you hater.
Oh yeah, just for the record 'Milos was a prep guru'.
Oh yeah, 'NEWS FLASH !' , there was this guy called Milos who once owned the Koleseum. He was known as the 'prep guru' by his stable of athletes and the bodybuilding community at large.
Now please leave this thread you boring gimmick!
I know all that but you said he referred to himself as a guru, was that true or not, you even said you had evidence but then couldnt produce it.
Yes, the term 'prep guru' figured in many of his ramblings!
Easy on the hate. Milos used the term 'prep guru'. Why? Because that is what he was. Ever been to the Koleseum?
So did Milos refer to himself as a guru?
-
lee priest has become the joke of the bb industry
wrestling old men in hotel rooms to make ends meet
lee the fat midget is penniless with only his tattoos to keep him company
Nabba should have "Extra Short" class at Universe '13 for competitors like Caro Lee ;D
(sorry Nabba)
-
Nabba should have "Extra Short" class at Universe '13 for competitors like Caro Lee ;D
(sorry Nabba)
boring gimmick.
stop the trolling
-
Nabba should have "Extra Short" class at Universe '13 for competitors like Caro Lee ;D
(sorry Nabba)
yes a midget class should suit lee all 4ft 10 of him
-
yes a midget class should suit lee all 4ft 10 of him
ding, ding...the troll strikes again
-
This thread was founded on hate.
By a hater.
..and the same slightly inaccurate airswing that many hate threads have can be found in the original posts.
It's been interesting, though.
But it's all hate.
Luke seemed like a really good chap - from what interaction I had with him on GB.
-
This thread was founded on hate.
By a hater.
..and the same slightly inaccurate airswing that many hate threads have can be found in the original posts.
It's been interesting, though.
But it's all hate.
Luke seemed like a really good chap - from what interaction I had with him on GB.
Hi Rock,
I agree, a lot of hate...too much hate.
And yes, Luke was a stand up guy who died under tragic circumstances. I still believe, as many others in the industry, if he had not crossed paths with the prep guru Milos he would still be with us today....
And just for the record. i HATE the insulin protocols.
-
I still believe, as many others in the industry, if he had not crossed paths with the prep guru Milos he would still be with us today....
And you 'believe' this based on what evidence?
You stated earlier he listened to Milos then fucked up his dosages?
How is that Milos fault?
And you are still dodging the lie you told earlier about Milos referring to himself as a guru, dont worry everyone can see you handwaving and flailing around.
-
Milos was a guru when compared to others in the industry. No need for Milos to claim that label.
Who knows what Luke did to himself over the years? Luke considered Milos a friend and proudly wore a watch Milos gave him. What we have here is a tragedy not a homicide.
-
i mean, isnt it unbelievable that luke went so far and still had no idea on t3 protocols?any gymrat will know more or less how and how much t3 to use.
No, the story was Luke had been in Thailand prepping and bought T3 over there. When he arrived in Milos' gym Milos noticed he was shaking badly all the time. Then they went to hospital and thyroid was off the charts. Milos had no idea of the dosage in pills, he estimated the dosage was 2000mcg or something. In reality you can't calculate it very easily, would involve some very complicated math etc.
Thyroid, along with clen, is something a UG lab easily fucks up for obvious reasons. With thyroid, go with a real pharma product.
Milos had a thyroid OD episode himself once. In his words:
Transdermal thyroid - was my last mistake - as I forgot to think about how women look (and think) about little cream they need to apply.
Obviously my wife thought it was a moisturiser and not a THYROID MEDICATION...and as she was applying on my back and glutes (yes glutes...and somehow I didn't mind her rubbing that cream forever ::)) - I overlooked the possibility of using TOO MUCH - which ended up happening...
So there you have it...I made many mistakes in my life - and admit them all...
-
wow thyroid creme?
does that work for spot reduction ;D
That was the idea Milos had. I doubt it really works for spot reduction though. It ends up systemic.
I forgot the name of the product. I think it was French.
-
That was the idea Milos had. I doubt it really works for spot reduction though. It ends up systemic.
I forgot the name of the product. I think it was French.
You're thinking of thiomucase. That was not thyroid cream
-
You're thinking of thiomucase. That was not thyroid cream
No, no. I think the name started with Perc... something, it's on the tip of my tongue... >:( :D
Wrote it out on forums many times but just can't remember right now.
Edit. Percutacrine.
(http://p4.storage.canalblog.com/42/80/855941/72666671.jpg)
Dextrothyroxine sodique: 4mg/2ml
Benzyle salicylate
Glycérol
Alcool éthylique
Eucalyptus essence
Propylčne glycol
Camphre
-
Luke destroyed himself with T3 many times infact every time he looked good a week out and turned up flat smooth and small it was from his insistence on overusing the drug when he didn't have to.
Luke also took diuretics all the time, he was a very nice but totally insecure guy, I have never met someone who would put fake tan on, site inject weak bodyparts like most would on contest day and take diuretics just to walk in a gym for a regular workout, just so gym rats could be blown away. He had a sickness and it killed him, he wouldn't listen to Milos or anyone, he frequently held back the truth, so much so like most compulsive liars he lost track of what was real and what was not, in saying that he was a very nice guy who never harmed anyone other than himself. RIP Luke.
I think we're all probably guilty of fasting before a beach day or pool party. But site injecting before the gym is crazy. I'll admit that I wear a hoody to get warmed up, but also allow myself to catch a pump too. But damn... site injections. I try to NOT inject any time I'll be showing skin because I hate for there to be any sort of swelling. Doesn't look good at all. :-\
Year round diuretics is insane too. No wonder his kidneys failed. Most people taking what he takes just for a couple of days would kill them.
-
Lots of imagination being used in this thread.
-
I think we're all probably guilty of fasting before a beach day or pool party. But site injecting before the gym is crazy. I'll admit that I wear a hoody to get warmed up, but also allow myself to catch a pump too. But damn... site injections. I try to NOT inject any time I'll be showing skin because I hate for there to be any sort of swelling. Doesn't look good at all. :-\
Year round diuretics is insane too. No wonder his kidneys failed. Most people taking what he takes just for a couple of days would kill them.
fucking diuretics man. horrible shit. it's not the juice or the lifestyle that ends these guys it's the satellite compounds like diuretics, painkillers, and stimulants.
you can live a balanced healthy life and have a great physique with the right approach to eating and anabolic usage.
there is very definitely a mental disorder that is latent or is created in otherwise 'normal' people once they start to seriously train and have done so for some time. the key is finding balance and not succumbing to the pull of whatever disorder that the lifestyle has created. most cannot find this middle ground. it's not even at the 'Luke wood' level of things- women who train for physique / fitness carry such disorders long after competing and just average gym rats all seem to fall prey to such things.
-
you can live a balanced healthy life and have a great physique with the right approach to eating and anabolic usage.
Fucking lol. ::)
-
fucking diuretics man. horrible shit. it's not the juice or the lifestyle that ends these guys it's the satellite compounds like diuretics, painkillers, and stimulants.
you can live a balanced healthy life and have a great physique with the right approach to eating and anabolic usage.
there is very definitely a mental disorder that is latent or is created in otherwise 'normal' people once they start to seriously train and have done so for some time. the key is finding balance and not succumbing to the pull of whatever disorder that the lifestyle has created. most cannot find this middle ground. it's not even at the 'Luke wood' level of things- women who train for physique / fitness carry such disorders long after competing and just average gym rats all seem to fall prey to such things.
Diuretics - check
Anadrolona - check
Quick pump session - check
Nipples tweaked? - check
Time to hit the beach! ;D
Totally neurotic. Getting into a regimen of constantly pinning, taking pills, calculating injection and dosing times along with tweaking them, scheduling, prepping and eating meals, adjusting meal times, training (last and probably least)... that's a surefire recipe for disaster. No mention of the psychological affects of all those androgens too.
Like I always said, I'm calm as fuck but with tren in my system I can feel a bit snappy. I never act on my aggression and it never comes to the surface to where people can see it. But I can feel these Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde feelings buried deep down that fuck with my head. I joke around about trenbologna suicide but I really do think it fucks with your head. I'd caution guys to not stay on it for too long. I've battled depression on and off for years and despite hard times like friends and family dying or getting diagnosed with terminal illnesses, nothing persistently fucks me up the way tren does. Hands down favorite compound and I smile 24/7 when my abs get carved deeper and deeper, but I'm definitely operating with a screw loose especially if I run more than 100mg EOD. I have no shame in admitting that. It's a strange compound.
-
yes a midget class should suit lee all 4ft 10 of him
He has potential in Micro Wrestling Federation ;D
Unfortunately no more midget wresting in WWE :-\
-
Diuretics - check
Anadrolona - check
Quick pump session - check
Nipples tweaked? - check
Time to hit the beach!
Totally neurotic. Getting into a regimen of constantly pinning, taking pills, calculating injection and dosing times along with tweaking them, scheduling, prepping and eating meals, adjusting meal times, training (last and probably least)... that's a surefire recipe for disaster. No mention of the psychological affects of all those androgens too.
Just received your copy of Gal and no ones book I see. ;D
-
Year round diuretics is insane too. No wonder his kidneys failed.
Depends on if the diuretics were doctor prescribed and how he used them. If you use them to get dehydrated, then they're bad. Diuretics are prescribed precisely to protect from cardiovascular damage, strokes, heart attacks etc. If you're holding 10lbs of water in your ankles then diuretics may be warranted... of course the healthiest course would be to drop the offending compounds (the AAS, GH, Ins, etc), but that may not be an option. :D
-
Depends on if the diuretics were doctor prescribed and how he used them. If you use them to get dehydrated, then they're bad. Diuretics are prescribed precisely to protect from cardiovascular damage, strokes, heart attacks etc. If you're holding 10lbs of water in your ankles then diuretics may be warranted... of course the healthiest course would be to drop the offending compounds (the AAS, GH, Ins, etc), but that may not be an option. :D
Almost thought someone was trolling me for a split second and then I saw your screen name and read the post. ;D
Yep, context is extremely important here. I'm sure damn near everyone's grandma here is on hydrochlorothiazide but when a bodybuilder takes pre and post workout lasix and eats half a dozen burgers at Burger King it's not healthy lol
I cite that specific example because that's what a friend of mine does. He's doing his first comp soon and someone told him burgers really helped them to fill out and they also happen to take tons of lasix. Buddy was over watching UFC and could hardly sit down because he was cramping so bad. Got him some resources to check into. I really think that diuretics need to be reserved for just comps. Or if you've fucked up your anabolics or something you could use something gentle like HCTZ and get the water off. But if you need to use them long term, something else is wrong and needs to be addressed. Throwing diuretics down the hatch is a very dangerous bandaid fix. Scares me to know he was doing this so frequently. He looks amazing but received some really dangerous bro-advices.
-
Almost thought someone was trolling me for a split second and then I saw your screen name and read the post. ;D
Yep, context is extremely important here. I'm sure damn near everyone's grandma here is on hydrochlorothiazide but when a bodybuilder takes pre and post workout lasix and eats half a dozen burgers at Burger King it's not healthy lol
I cite that specific example because that's what a friend of mine does. He's doing his first comp soon and someone told him burgers really helped them to fill out and they also happen to take tons of lasix. Buddy was over watching UFC and could hardly sit down because he was cramping so bad. Got him some resources to check into. I really think that diuretics need to be reserved for just comps. Or if you've fucked up your anabolics or something you could use something gentle like HCTZ and get the water off. But if you need to use them long term, something else is wrong and needs to be addressed. Throwing diuretics down the hatch is a very dangerous bandaid fix. Scares me to know he was doing this so frequently. He looks amazing but received some really dangerous bro-advices.
Milos, throughout his Pro career and then as a contest prep guru was a passionate advocate of diuretics.
In my view, very dangerous stuff if used incorrectly.
-
Almost thought someone was trolling me for a split second and then I saw your screen name and read the post. ;D
Yep, context is extremely important here. I'm sure damn near everyone's grandma here is on hydrochlorothiazide but when a bodybuilder takes pre and post workout lasix and eats half a dozen burgers at Burger King it's not healthy lol
I cite that specific example because that's what a friend of mine does. He's doing his first comp soon and someone told him burgers really helped them to fill out and they also happen to take tons of lasix. Buddy was over watching UFC and could hardly sit down because he was cramping so bad. Got him some resources to check into. I really think that diuretics need to be reserved for just comps. Or if you've fucked up your anabolics or something you could use something gentle like HCTZ and get the water off. But if you need to use them long term, something else is wrong and needs to be addressed. Throwing diuretics down the hatch is a very dangerous bandaid fix. Scares me to know he was doing this so frequently. He looks amazing but received some really dangerous bro-advices.
Buselmo's stories about middle eastern competitors were the craziest. Starting Bumex, similar to Lasix, 3 months out. Then driven from competition venue in an ambulance. :D
I heard some stories about a competitor who died at the world champs in India. They put the dude, who was already on diuretics, in a sauna where he lifted some dumbells to lose even more water. After a while he couldn't speak, just wheeze. Airways constricted and he died because docs were called too late. The whole team was apparently disqualified from what I heard.
Can't remember which country it was.
I think most pros who go to the doctor are on some type of BP med, with good reason.
-
Horrendous incident regarding Paul Dillett and diurectics. While in comp his whole body locked up...he had to be carried out, all the while in a totally rigid composure...scary stuff.
-
Regarding Paul Dillet freezing up at the Arnold and being carried off...there is a video out there regarding this.
Diurectics are nasty if used with reckless abandon.
-
Buselmo's stories about middle eastern competitors were the craziest. Starting Bumex, similar to Lasix, 3 months out. Then driven from competition venue in an ambulance. :D
I heard some stories about a competitor who died at the world champs in India. They put the dude, who was already on diuretics, in a sauna where he lifted some dumbells to lose even more water. After a while he couldn't speak, just wheeze. Airways constricted and he died because docs were called too late. The whole team was apparently disqualified from what I heard.
Can't remember which country it was.
I think most pros who go to the doctor are on some type of BP med, with good reason.
Dude, my Saudi exchange students introduced me to a bodybuilder. Everything in diet is halal, no sweets, small anabolic arsenal, supplements like creatine (they consider it on par with steroids and almost worship it), then lots of diuretics leaning or into the show.
What buselmo said is almost exactly what this kid said, except some of them do not take protein powder as they consider it not right or not natural. Didn't understand their English but they were all violently opposed like they are with pork or meat from hooved animals. Very dry, bland foods. Usually cut out flat breads and pitas and eat falafel, potato, chicken, tuna, carb up on pasta and almost nothing else. I've looked at buddies regimen and it was all low test, some anabolics and really quite a reliance on completely drying out with diuretics. Maybe Ramadan gives them good tolerance for no fluids and hydration. Saw pics of his friends and no matter what class or what level they were conditioned like Munzer.
-
Too many novices using diuretics without basic knowledge..
I blame many of the contest prep gurus who hand these things out like candies with little to no education of the adverse-reactions that can result.
-
fucking diuretics man. horrible shit. it's not the juice or the lifestyle that ends these guys it's the satellite compounds like diuretics, painkillers, and stimulants.
you can live a balanced healthy life and have a great physique with the right approach to eating and anabolic usage.
there is very definitely a mental disorder that is latent or is created in otherwise 'normal' people once they start to seriously train and have done so for some time. the key is finding balance and not succumbing to the pull of whatever disorder that the lifestyle has created. most cannot find this middle ground. it's not even at the 'Luke wood' level of things- women who train for physique / fitness carry such disorders long after competing and just average gym rats all seem to fall prey to such things.
X1000
well said
-
diuretics, insulin, peptides all screw your system... to stay healthy long term be sure to
stay away from this shit.
-
Too many novices using diuretics without basic knowledge..
I blame many of the contest prep gurus who hand these things out like candies with little to no education of the adverse-reactions that can result.
Do you have medical qualifications Caro Lee ;D
-
Do you have medical qualifications Caro Lee ;D
Stop trolling!
-
Milos, throughout his Pro career and then as a contest prep guru was a passionate advocate of diuretics.
In my view, very dangerous stuff if used incorrectly.
Have you managed to find a reference to Milos calling himself a guru or are you going to concede that you lied about it earlier.
OH AND BEFORE YOU RESPONDE WITH "GO AWAY HATER" DONT BOTHER, ITS GETTING REALLY TIRESOME.
;)
-
Have you managed to find a reference to Milos calling himself a guru or are you going to concede that you lied about it earlier.
OH AND BEFORE YOU RESPONDE WITH "GO AWAY HATER" DONT BOTHER, ITS GETTING REALLY TIRESOME.
;)
Stop trolling!
-
Stop trolling!
I will when you stop lying.
Im only on your case because of it.
I wouldnt normally bother with gimmick accounts but when they tell lies about people they are fair game.
-
I will when you stop lying.
Im only on your case because of it.
I wouldnt normally bother with gimmick accounts but when they tell lies about people they are fair game.
Stop trolling!
-
Stop trolling!
I sense yout time is coming to an end, you should try and get some quality posts in before the hammer falls.
-
Stop trolling!
OR WHAT ;D
How much is yours Unemployment Benefit now caro LEE ;D
-
OR WHAT ;D
How much is yours Unemployment Benefit now caro LEE ;D
Stop trolling!
-
OR WHAT ;D
How much is yours Unemployment Benefit now caro LEE ;D
Who do you think this Gimmick is?
-
Who do you think this Gimmick is?
Stop trolling!
-
Who do you think this Gimmick is?
5'3 "tall" & lives North of Sydney ;D ;D ;D
-
5'3 "tall" & lives North of Sydney ;D ;D ;D
Stop trolling!
-
Stop trolling!
1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10 & knockout ;D
-
5'3 "tall" & lives North of Sydney ;D ;D ;D
Never in a million year, this guy has no backbone, the dwarf would have given a bit back by now.
-
1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10 & knockout ;D
Stop trolling!
-
Never in a million year, this guy has no backbone, the dwarf would have given a bit back by now.
Stop trolling!
-
Never in a million year, this guy has no backbone, the dwarf would have given a bit back by now.
Jeff who would be taller the dwarf or leprechaun ?.
Can you check with Nabba, would they permit male competitors in stilettos
at Universe '13 ?.
-
Jeff who would be taller the dwarf or leprechaun ?.
Can you check with Nabba, would they permit male competitors in stilettos
at Universe '13 ?.
Stop trolling!
-
Stop trolling!
your over use of the same word is annoying pathetic.... 1st it was hater, now it trolling... whats the next catchphrase?
-
your over use of the same word is annoying pathetic.... 1st it was hater, now it trolling... whats the next catchphrase?
"Fucking hell Im banned"
-
"Fucking hell Im banned"
hey gimmick, stop trolling and get out of this thread. haters like you not wanted here.
-
Caro,
Shut the fuck up already.
-
hey gimmick, stop trolling and get out of this thread. haters like you not wanted here.
Typical Mussolini-short man mentality ::) ::) ::)
-
Caro,
Shut the fuck up already.
more trolling hey....yawn
-
guys stop feeding the troll, caro is biggest troll since jon herridan and he is playing you guys.
-
guys stop feeding the troll, caro is biggest troll since jon herridan and he is playing you guys.
You just bumped the thread. Are you behind this lame gimmick? That would be quiTe the letdown.
-
You just bumped the thread. Are you behind this lame gimmick? That would be quiTe the letdown.
i need to start charging this gimmick for all the real-estate i am taking up inside his head,
Now, for the umpteenth time, get out of this thread you pathetic troll.
-
guys stop feeding the troll, caro is biggest troll since jon herridan and he is playing you guys.
Stay on the thread topic or just leave.
Your continuous trolling is growing tiresome and predictable....
-
Stay on the thread topic or just leave.
Your continuous trolling is growing tiresome and predictable....
Typical shorty caroLEE complex, hates anyone taller than him ;D
-
Typical shorty caroLEE complex, hates anyone taller than him ;D
more trolling from the gimmick.
-
thread has fallen into a whole lot of nothing.
wait... what was the point of the thread, again? ???
-
thread has fallen into a whole lot of nothing.
wait... what was the point of the thread, again? ???
you waste of space troll...get out of this thread
-
you waste of space troll...get out of this thread
Look at your watch, you're late for your cocksucking session, Caroline.
-
you waste of space troll...get out of this thread
hey homo.. I didn't have any problem with you or your thread. Now you call me a troll? Fuck yourself, pussy.
-
hey homo.. I didn't have any problem with you or your thread. Now you call me a troll? Fuck yourself, pussy.
more of the same from this useless gimmick..yawn
-
Look at your watch, you're late for your cocksucking session, Caroline.
back to stalk some more..you are a very lonely troll...take a hike -you are a putrid gimmick.
-
Typical shorty caroLEE complex, hates anyone taller than him ;D
you are one obsessed gimmick. spending your every waking minute with me in your head is tormenting you... you are a sad, sad, sad troll.
-
you are one obsessed gimmick. spending your every waking minute with me in your head is tormenting you... you are a sad, sad, sad troll.
actually, I don't know who the fuck you are, and you obviously don't know me guy. but I get the feeling your an aussie, and next time you're in SoCal, why don't you shoot me a PM and you can "torment" me in person. homo.
-
actually, I don't know who the fuck you are, and you obviously don't know me guy. but I get the feeling your an aussie, and next time you're in SoCal, why don't you shoot me a PM and you can "torment" me in person. homo.
yawn...still trolling hey. you are such a boring and uncreative gimmick...yawn
-
actually, I don't know who the fuck you are, and you obviously don't know me guy. but I get the feeling your an aussie, and next time you're in SoCal, why don't you shoot me a PM and you can "torment" me in person. homo.
Why do you think Caro is an aussie?
-
Why do you think Caro is an aussie?
lol. hey booty don't feed this troll . his gimmickry is palpable.
-
Stop trolling!
Stop trolling!
Stop trolling!
Stop trolling!
Stop trolling!
Stop trolling!
hey gimmick, stop trolling and get out of this thread. haters like you not wanted here.
more trolling hey....yawn
i need to start charging this gimmick for all the real-estate i am taking up inside his head,
Now, for the umpteenth time, get out of this thread you pathetic troll.
more trolling from the gimmick.
you waste of space troll...get out of this thread
more of the same from this useless gimmick..yawn
back to stalk some more..you are a very lonely troll...take a hike -you are a putrid gimmick.
you are one obsessed gimmick. spending your every waking minute with me in your head is tormenting you... you are a sad, sad, sad troll.
yawn...still trolling hey. you are such a boring and uncreative gimmick...yawn
you have got a sick, twisted and perverted obsession with me you useless gimmick...now leave this thread, your trolling is pathological.
oh i forget to tell you, that you are a sick, vile and depraved troll.
again, stop obsessively stalking me. take your gimmickry elsewhere.
you twisted, depraved stalker...i am spending so much time in your head. you need to get an intervention , your obsession with me is now in the realms of sociopathic.
^^
"Autism is a disorder of neural development characterized by impaired social interaction and verbal and non-verbal communication, and by restricted, repetitive or stereotyped behavior."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autism
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d1/Autism-stacking-cans_2nd_edit.jpg/230px-Autism-stacking-cans_2nd_edit.jpg)
-
^^
"Autism is a disorder of neural development characterized by impaired social interaction and verbal and non-verbal communication, and by restricted, repetitive or stereotyped behavior."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autism
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d1/Autism-stacking-cans_2nd_edit.jpg/230px-Autism-stacking-cans_2nd_edit.jpg)
you have got a sick, twisted and perverted obsession with me you useless gimmick...now leave this thread, your trolling is pathological.
-
you have got a sick, twisted and perverted obsession with me you useless gimmick...now leave this thread, your trolling is pathological.
Thanks, added to the list
-
lol. hey booty don't feed this troll . his gimmickry is palpable.
I just wanted to read what he had to say. I don't know where he comes up with the idea that you are an aussie. I haven't read any aussie slang etc etc
-
^^
"Autism is a disorder of neural development characterized by impaired social interaction and verbal and non-verbal communication, and by restricted, repetitive or stereotyped behavior."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autism
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d1/Autism-stacking-cans_2nd_edit.jpg/230px-Autism-stacking-cans_2nd_edit.jpg)
oh i forget to tell you, that you are a sick, vile and depraved troll.
again, stop obsessively stalking me. take your gimmickry elsewhere.
-
oh i forget to tell you, that you are a sick, vile and depraved troll.
again, stop obsessively stalking me. take your gimmickry elsewhere.
I'm just exposing your pathetic behavior..
-
Thanks, added to the list
you twisted, depraved stalker...i am spending so much time in your head. you need to get an intervention , your obsession with me is now in the realms of sociopathic.
-
you twisted, depraved stalker...i am spending so much time in your head. you need to get an intervention , your obsession with me is now in the realms of sociopathic.
Nice material for the list, thanks, keep them coming ;D
-
I'm just exposing your pathetic behavior..
your mind is full of sickness...seriously, deal with your obsession of me, as it is controlling your every thought.
seek professional help.
there is more to life than existing as obsessed gimmick on a message board. you can find peace in life , you just need to confront your illness.
-
Nice material for the list, thanks, keep them coming ;D
wow, your obsessive illness is off the charts. You just can't get 'me' out of your twisted little mind...you take trolling to new levels.
-
wow, your obsessive illness is off the charts. You just can't get 'me' out of your twisted little mind...you take trolling to new levels.
Does it hurt, feeling exposed?
-
Does it hurt, feeling exposed?
seriously troll, you have an obsessive illness of me. It is not healthy. you must seek some for of intervention.
i will be patient. you are going to chime in again, and i will repeat my advice to you. I believe it is important that you deal with your trolling demons and find a way to move on and to stop obsessing over me.
waiting for another obsessive response from you..yes, u are a sad and pathetic gimmick.
-
I just wanted to read what he had to say. I don't know where he comes up with the idea that you are an aussie. I haven't read any aussie slang etc etc
timezones ;)
-
timezones ;)
I don't think that means much.
-
I don't think that means much.
Well he/she is a fucking idiot if that adds weight to the argument? :)
-
Well he/she is a fucking idiot if that adds weight to the argument? :)
word is caro is a tatooed midget
-
Well he/she is a fucking idiot if that adds weight to the argument? :)
I don't think Caro is an idiot to be honest. I think he seems okay.
-
I don't think Caro is an idiot to be honest. I think he seems okay.
You would. ;)
-
You would. ;)
troll
-
You would. ;)
Of course I do jeff because I like everyone unless they show tendancies to be an asshole or a complete stalking obsessed weirdo.
-
Of course I do jeff because I like everyone unless they show tendancies to be an asshole or a complete stalking obsessed weirdo.
Ask him a question or ask him for evidence of his claims then, see how you go on.
-
Ask him a question or ask him for evidence of his claims then, see how you go on.
stalking troll
-
Ask him a question or ask him for evidence of his claims then, see how you go on.
well I haven't been called a whore or a c*** so it's not lee.
-
well I haven't been called a whore or a c*** so it's not lee.
Really, I thought you and Lee were on good terms, Im sure you wrote he was a nice guy in the past.
-
Where did it all go wrong?
-
Really, I thought you and Lee were on good terms, Im sure you wrote he was a nice guy in the past.
I am being sarcastic Jeff.
-
Where did it all go wrong?
Its actually a good photo.
-
I am being sarcastic Jeff.
a sarcasm smiley sometimes helps ::)
-
Where did it all go wrong?
booty is several divisions above lee in both height and looks
-
a sarcasm smiley sometimes helps ::)
I am sorry Jeff for not communicating better. :P
-
booty is several divisions above lee in both height and looks
Thank you bigmc. I am actually 5'4 but am wearing 3 inch heels here. This pic has caused a few fights and meltdowns on both sides.
-
Thank you bigmc. I am actually 5'4 but am wearing 3 inch heels here. This pic has caused a few fights and meltdowns on both sides.
is lee standing on a box
my mate met him and said he is 5 ft2 tops
-
is lee standing on a box
my mate met him and said he is 5 ft2 tops
He's 5'5
-
still taller than joe
where you been?
I am here. Just been quiet the past few days. :)
-
i love this dudes patience....lmao...he has annoyed all you homos... ;D..
Hello shizzo...............aga in.
-
is lee standing on a box
my mate met him and said he is 5 ft2 tops
around Newcastle he is wearing high hills builders/hiking boots ;D ;D ;D
-
Lee has always been taped at 5'4''. For some reason, Lee is now saying he is 5'5''....the little fella must have grown an inch. gh is a wonderful thing lol
-
Lee has always been taped at 5'4''. For some reason, Lee is now saying he is 5'5''....the little fella must have grown an inch. gh is a wonderful thing lol
I said he's 5'5 because I am 5'4 and he measured me against him and came off one inch taller.
-
Lee has always been taped at 5'4''. For some reason, Lee is now saying he is 5'5''....the little fella must have grown an inch. gh is a wonderful thing lol
Sounds like capitulation caro :D
-
I said he's 5'5 because I am 5'4 and he measured me against him and came off one inch taller.
Booty,
I am not doubting you. Just surprised as Lee has claimed 5'4'' status and now i hear him talk about being 5'5''....no biggie.
One more thing...Booty, when you measured yourself against Lee, was he wearing shoes at the time?
Wouldn't be surprised if Lee has gone down the Sly route and is opting for the 'lifts'.
-
5'4 or 5'5 either way its horrible why even say it ???
-
5'4 or 5'5 either way its horrible why even say it ???
agree. still a munchkin!
-
Booty,
I am not doubting you. Just surprised as Lee has claimed 5'4'' status and now i hear him talk about being 5'5''....no biggie.
One more thing...Booty, when you measured yourself against Lee, was he wearing shoes at the time?
Wouldn't be surprised if Lee has gone down the Sly route and is opting for the 'lifts'.
I can't remember to be honest. I have elective memory these days. :D
-
I can't remember to be honest. I have elective memory these days. :D
lol..no problem.
-
lol..no problem.
I meant to say "selective memory". ;D
-
I meant to say "selective memory". ;D
i know.
-
i know.
Good I thought you were blond so I had to help you.
-
Good I thought you were blond so I had to help you.
lol
-
lol
Come on spill Caro. Everyone is interested in knowing a little about you. Where are you? I don't think you are an aussie so are you a yank??? Are you Hank Heywood? I think thats his name. I do recall going back through getbig archives reading some old threads a few months ago when I was bored one night and remember a Hank. He was very witty and gave Nasser a very hard time.
-
Come on spill Caro. Everyone is interested in knowing a little about you. Where are you? I don't think you are an aussie so are you a yank??? Are you Hank Heywood? I think thats his name. I do recall going back through getbig archives reading some old threads a few months ago when I was bored one night and remember a Hank. He was very witty and gave Nasser a very hard time.
wow.
you come across as a genuine person.
-
wow.
you come across as a genuine person.
Thank you and yes I am. I pretty much say what I think and am straight up.
-
wow.
you come across as a genuine person.
then name yours gym place ;D ;D ;D
-
Booty,
I am not doubting you. Just surprised as Lee has claimed 5'4'' status and now i hear him talk about being 5'5''....no biggie.
One more thing...Booty, when you measured yourself against Lee, was he wearing shoes at the time?
Wouldn't be surprised if Lee has gone down the Sly route and is opting for the 'lifts'.
Stop trolling, hater.
-
Stop trolling, hater.
"you gimmick, you troll... not wanted" :'(
-
Stop trolling, hater.
troll
-
"you gimmick, you troll... not wanted" :'(
troll
-
troll
bitch
-
I am making you all a vegemite sandwich. ;D
-
bitch
troll
-
troll
troll/hater leave this thread
-
troll/hater leave this thread
troll
-
I am making you all a vegemite sandwich. ;D
I'm not a fan of Marmite (that's how it's called here), but how can I refuse? I can't :)
-
troll
Slut
-
I'm not a fan of Marmite (that's how it's called here), but how can I refuse? I can't :)
Lots of butter and spread thinly, either can I. :P
-
Slut
troll
-
Guys come up with something new like maybe midget tosser. :D
-
troll
Whore
-
Whore
troll
-
troll
Stop the hate and Lee might return!
-
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ly6jf14bbH1qdlh1io1_400.gif)
-
Stop the hate and Lee might return!
troll
-
Lots of butter and spread thinly, either can I. :P
Or simply add some Dutch peanutbutter :P
(https://www.yummydutch.com/ram/files/products/1/596/foto_2_calve-alles.jpg)
-
Or simply add some Dutch peanutbutter :P
(https://www.yummydutch.com/ram/files/products/1/596/foto_2_calve-alles.jpg)
I can't say no. :P
-
troll
^^
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d1/Autism-stacking-cans_2nd_edit.jpg/230px-Autism-stacking-cans_2nd_edit.jpg)
-
Wait, dutch licorice is the best. :P
-
I can't say no. :P
They used to produce this brand in my town. Every time I passed their factory with the right wind direction, I smelled those fresh peanuts :P :P
-
They used to produce this brand in my town. Every time I passed their factory with the right wind direction, I smelled those fresh peanuts :P :P
Oh god...pure bliss!
-
Wait, dutch licorice is the best. :P
There's a good reason why I don't buy them anymore: I can't say no, "blood glucose level of peace"
(http://www.worldofsweets.de/out/pictures/z1/K-H-Hollandse-Drop_z1.jpg)
-
There's a good reason why I don't buy them anymore: I can't say no, "blood glucose level of peace"
(http://www.worldofsweets.de/out/pictures/z1/K-H-Hollandse-Drop_z1.jpg)
Now I have got cravings, dam you. :'(
-
Now I have got cravings, dam you. :'(
Sorry my dear, lol
I say the same to Bradistani when he posts pizza pics, right after I come home from a workout.
-
Sorry my dear, lol
I say the same to Bradistani when he posts pizza pics, right after I come home from a workout.
I've felt like licorice for two days now.
-
I've felt like licorice for two days now.
I read about your sore throat on the mature thread, I'm sorry to hear that.
Is it caused by a virus?
-
I read about your sore throat on the mature thread, I'm sorry to hear that.
Is it caused by a virus?
Thank you and yes its viral. I discovered today that a good female friend had the virus for a whole week.
-
Thank you and yes its viral. I discovered today that a good female friend had the virus for a whole week.
Did you saw her recently? You might have been infected. Make sure you visit a doctor next week, in case it won't go away.
Maybe some herb tea with honey to ease the pain?
Get well soon!
-
Did you saw her recently? You might have been infected. Make sure you visit a doctor next week, in case it won't go away.
Maybe some herb tea with honey to ease the pain?
Get well soon!
I saw her two weeks ago. I am drinking plenty of green tea. I want hot drinks all the time. Thank you for the get well wishes DP.
-
The self titled -Milos 'prep guru' Sarcev has a few surprises coming our way...watch this space!
-
The self titled -Milos 'prep guru' Sarcev has a few surprises coming our way...watch this space!
Newcastle resident really HATES Misko ::)
U A pro hater caroLEE !
-
Newcastle resident really HATES Misko ::)
U A pro hater caroLEE !
Troll, please stop stalking me all over the boards. You come across as a very creep little gimmick.
-
Troll, please stop stalking me all over the boards. You come across as a very creep little gimmick.
Norh Sydney PCYC, come & tell me ;D
-
Norh Sydney PCYC, come & tell me ;D
Trolls, can you please stay out of my threads and don't address me.
Sick and tired of the gimmickry and obsessive stalking. thanx.
-
Trolls, can you please stay out of my threads and don't address me.
Sick and tired of the gimmickry and obsessive stalking. thanx.
If you dont want people to join in your threads then you shouldnt start them, you have had the opprtunity to add weight to the accusations and opinions in all your threads and up to now come up short. (pardon the pun)
If you consider everyone on this forum a troll because the dont share your opinion then its going to be a waste of your time.
-
If you dont want people to join in your threads then you shouldnt start them, you have had the opprtunity to add weight to the accusations and opinions in all your threads and up to now come up short. (pardon the pun)
If you consider everyone on this forum a troll because the dont share your opinion then its going to be a waste of your time.
Troll, again, please do NOT address me and stay out of my thread. I do not want to speak to you.
-
For the record Caro, Ukjeff ain't no troll. He's my new e-boyfriend and I have verified he's real. ;D (joke)
-
Norh Sydney PCYC, come & tell me ;D
No balls caroLEE ;D
-
Troll, again, please do NOT address me and stay out of my thread. I do not want to speak to you.
then don't, moron.
your inability to post a legitimate thread, or post, is on par with your inability to find legitimate employment, carry on a legitimate conversation, have a sustained legitimate adult relationship, or have any legitimate friends.
do society a favor & hang yourself.
-
then don't, moron.
your inability to post a legitimate thread, or post, is on par with your inability to find legitimate employment, carry on a legitimate conversation, have a sustained legitimate adult relationship, or have any legitimate friends.
do society a favor & hang yourself.
Troll, can you please never address me or my posts. Again, do not respond to me in any way. Thank you.
-
Norh Sydney PCYC, come & tell me ;D
No balls caroLEE ;D
-
Troll, can you please never address me or my posts. Again, do not respond to me in any way. Thank you.
need a rope?
-
need a rope?
Troll, once again, please do not respond to any of my postings. thanx.
-
Troll, once again, please do not respond to any of my postings. thanx.
nah, u fucked that up when you called me a troll.
-
nah, u fucked that up when you called me a troll.
Troll, please do not address any of postings. Please respect my wishes
-
If I had a dollar for every time troll is said I would be in the Bahamas by now.
-
Troll, please do not address any of postings. Please respect my wishes
like I said. fuck that. your homo ass disrespected me first, outta the thin blue air. fuck respecting your wishes. i'll be a thorn in your side for as long as I feel like.
-
like I said. fuck that. your homo ass disrespected me first, outta the thin blue air. fuck respecting your wishes. i'll be a thorn in your side for as long as I feel like.
Troll, can you please NOT reply to any of my postings. thanx
-
Gent's U must understand caroLEE, Newcastle is shit boooooring place
& the dwarf has nothing else to do :P
-
Gent's U must understand caroLEE, Newcastle is shit boooooring place
& the dwarf has nothing else to do :P
boring gimmick you are. stop trolling in my threads..thanx in advance. don't reply to ANY of my future postings.
-
boring gimmick you are. stop trolling in my threads..thanx in advance. don't reply to ANY of my future postings.
or ???? , ;D
-
or ???? , ;D
Troll, please stay out of my threads and don't respond to any of my posts.
Just don't want to engage with you in any way. Nothing personal..thanx.
-
Krull, please stay in these threads.
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5171/5458274080_15831d867c_b.jpg)
-
Milos is now on speaking terms with Milimar. This has got to be a good thing for the daughter that they share.
I hope Milos comes through all of this.
-
Milos is now on speaking terms with Milimar. This has got to be a good thing for the daughter that they share.
I hope Milos comes through all of this.
How do you know this?
-
Milos is now on speaking terms with Milimar. This has got to be a good thing for the daughter that they share.
I hope Milos comes through all of this.
So you enjoyed your latest cum shower?
-
So you enjoyed your latest cum shower?
You are trolling. I don't have a personal issue with you but please dont troll in this thread. take it somewhere else.
-
You are trolling. I don't have a personal issue with you but please dont troll in this thread. take it somewhere else.
Just answer his question
-
Just answer his question
Troll, please stop your stalking.
Feel free to continue your stalking and gimmickry in any way you choose but just desist in your trolling of me.
Again nothing personal. thanx
-
Troll, please stop your stalking.
Feel free to continue your stalking and gimmickry in any way you choose but just desist in your trolling of me.
Again nothing personal. thanx
That's right, I don't take it personal, so I'm LMAO about you, autistic clown
-
That's right, I don't take it personal, so I'm LMAO about you, autistic clown
Troll, no issue with you being a weird troll. Just don't want you obsessively stalking me, day after day.
Move on brah, deal with your twisted pathology...stalking is not cool.
ta ta gimmick.
-
Troll, no issue with you being a weird troll. Just don't want you obsessively stalking me, day after day.
Move on brah, deal with your twisted pathology...stalking is not cool.
ta ta gimmick.
Caro if I must point out that finishing off something with ta ta freaks me out. You see it reminds me of a very unstable stalker. So please don't use these words. I do not want that taste of vomit in my mouth.
-
Caro if I must point out that finishing off something with ta ta freaks me out. You see it reminds me of a very unstable stalker. So please don't use these words. I do not want that taste of vomit in my mouth.
thanks for pointing that out.
words can be very evocative.
-
Caro if I must point out that finishing off something with ta ta freaks me out. You see it reminds me of a very unstable stalker. So please don't use these words. I do not want that taste of vomit in my mouth.
So shit tastes better?
-
Caro if I must point out that finishing off something with ta ta freaks me out. You see it reminds me of a very unstable stalker. So please don't use these words. I do not want that taste of vomit in my mouth.
I think I remember that person, saying 'ta ta', thought he was a funny ok guy... :-\
-
So shit tastes better?
Hey Troll, back again...yawn
-
thanks for pointing that out.
words can be very evocative.
And those words were also gay as hell.
-
I think I remember that person, saying 'ta ta', thought he was a funny ok guy... :-\
Hey it's the other Troll...What's up stalker? I am still living deep inside your mind...ta ta gimmick.
-
So shit tastes better?
I wouldn't know and will never find out, but why don't you all tell us???
-
And those words were also gay as hell.
Hey other Troll, you stalking again? Move on creepy weirdo.
-
I think I remember that person, saying 'ta ta', thought he was a funny ok guy... :-\
He used to say toodles too. Who the fuck says that???
-
Ta Ta Toodles
-
Hey other Troll, you stalking again? Move on creepy weirdo.
Serious question Caro, have you ever questioned the effectiveness of your communication skills?
-
Ta Ta Toodles
Oh fuck HAHA ;D
-
Serious question Caro, have you ever questioned the effectiveness of your communication skills?
Other Troll, don't engage me.
I do NOT want to have a dialogue with a trolling stalker.
No issue with you being a troll , simply don't want you to reply to my threads and posts. thanx.
-
Other Troll, don't engage me.
I do NOT want to have a dialogue with a trolling stalker.
No issue with you being a troll , simply don't want you to reply to my threads and posts. thanx.
You seem angry. Are you seated on a 7-inch black dildo to be that mad?
-
You seem angry. Are you seated on a 7-inch black dildo to be that mad?
other Troll, stop obsessively stalking me. again, stop responding to my posts. your gimmick is wearing thin.
again, nothing personal and not attacking your trolling ways..just not interested in having a dialogue with a weirdo stalker like yourself.
dont respond.
-
other Troll, stop obsessively stalking me. again, stop responding to my posts. your gimmick is wearing thin.
again, nothing personal and not attacking your trolling ways..just not interested in having a dialogue with a weirdo stalker like yourself.
dont respond.
If you don't respond, i won't respond. Ok? Don't respond.
-
If you don't respond, i won't respond. Ok? Don't respond.
You're still trolling. Have no issue with your gimmickry and trolling...just stop stalking and trolling me.
-
Caro, isn't it time to fix your broken record player? ::)
-
Caro, isn't it time to fix your broken record player? ::)
the other Troll, back again for another stalk...don't engage me. not interested in a dialogue with a weirdo trolling stalker.
-
Running out of Prozacs tablets, caroLEE ;D
-
A ban is on its way, just a matter of time...
Any last wishes, Retardo?
-
A ban is on its way, just a matter of time...
Any last wishes, Retardo?
Troll, can you please stop trolling and stalking me. Do not engage me or respond to my threads. thanx.
-
Troll, can you please stop trolling and stalking me. Do not engage me or respond to my threads. thanx.
If that's your last wish, no problemo, a good riddance for you is on its way anyway ;D
-
If that's your last wish, no problemo, a good riddance for you is on its way anyway ;D
Again, i ask you, can please stop trolling and stalking my every movement around the board...thank you.
-
Again, i ask you, can please stop trolling and stalking my every movement around the board...thank you.
FUCK OFF YOU LITTLE BITCH.
-
Yes, Milos is apparently somewhere in Eastern Europe.
-
Yes, Milos is apparently somewhere in Eastern Europe.
Hes on holiday, I just got a postcard.
-
Self titled Milos 'prep guru' Sarcev is a fascinating and driven character. He will bounce back. The prep guru views any form of 'setback' as an opportunity!
-
caro how do you answer the allegations that you are but merely a gimmick account from bitter old sexual predator vince basille
these accusations must be dealt with to restore your credibility on this forum
-
Why do you all respond to this idiot?
-
Why do you all respond to this idiot?
You're right, I'm starting to wonder already.
-
Why do you all respond to this idiot?
good point
slow traffic, boredom etc
-
We need a mandatory "Don't feed the gimmicks" sign at the beginning of every thread. Or we get fined.
-
Why did God make insulin if it's the root of all evil physically?
All things in excess are bad, test, gh, insulin, thyroid, you name it.
Never touched it but from what I read it's right there with heroin in addictiveness. A lifetime
of benzo use awaits if a heavy user ever gets off. Permanent alteration in brain chemistry.
Though I did talk to one dude pretty recently who just got out of jail for getting caught with 600 liters. Claims he had no withdrawals in jail, but he only used in the evenings.
GHB is not addictive in the least. For some period of time I drank it every day and in the beginning It was only at night for GH benefits (which I never saw) but later I realized x and meth were even better on G and my use escalated. I recall often waking up with no memory of the night before with an outline of my body on the floor left behind (lik a chalk outline but made of sweat.) When monster go t popped GHB became hard to get and it wasn't a big deal. To this day it comes around and I don't bother becaus it's never as good as it used to be. Point being GHB addiction is a total myth.
-
it's not the insulin blurring the lines... it's bodyfat and water.
I used copious amounts and when I was big, I wasn't 'crisp' or deeply separated. Then recently (a few months ago) I was the leanest, driest, most separated i'd ever been.
it's also not insulin causing 'growth' of the muscles in the stomach. In my opinion, based on my experience, anyways. It's the ability of insulin to make you hungry alllllll the time, and gh's ability to keep you lean when pounding down food. That much food bloats your stomach. Doesn't matter if you're 12% or 5% bf.
I say 'in my experience', because when I was big (bbing 'big', not when I was pling), my stomach was in the 36-38's. Hard with abs/serratus ect. Now a few months ago I was down to 31 damn near 30, and couldn't push my stomach out if I tried. If it were permanent growth, that wouldn't have happened (esp considering about 18months before that I was at a 41" waist and about 50lbs heavier (heavier than I was then, not now).
Best theory I have found thus far
-
Mods I understand the why nots of being heavy handed a la censorship but look at this thread for example lots of good content why not remove posts that are purely flames and useless bullshit? Getbig would be much better off inmy opinion. Removing trolling flaming posts ought to be standard
-
GHB is not addictive in the least.
You will wake up every 2,5 ours and have to take your next dose in order to sleep when addicted to it.
'Hard to get' You could just take GBL or BDO which is almost the same. (but stronger)
To produce GHB they use industrial GBL or BDO which is sometimes contaminated with heavy metals.
Also beside relaxing it is pointless for Bodybuilding. (+ double or tripple your dose, by mistake, you die.)
-
GHB is not addictive in the least.
Point being GHB addiction is a total myth.
Yeah I call total bullshit on that. It's been documented enough, it's extremely addictive. Tens of thousand of testimonials describing its addictiveness on the net.
There are NO GABA drugs that are totally forgiving like that.
It's like saying benzos or alcohol aren't addictive - there are always outliers that claim the opposite but it's not the rule.
Also, if you stopped the GHB and were on stims it clouds the issue somewhat as different drugs can sometimes mask the withdrawals of other classes of drugs. Sometimes.
If GHB wasn't addictive we'd all be on it, I mean why not?
You will wake up every 2,5 ours and have to take your next dose in order to sleep when addicted to it.
Exactly. Almost all describe this exact scenario.
-
GHB is not addictive in the least. For some period of time I drank it every day and in the beginning It was only at night for GH benefits (which I never saw) but later I realized x and meth were even better on G and my use escalated. I recall often waking up with no memory of the night before with an outline of my body on the floor left behind (lik a chalk outline but made of sweat.) When monster go t popped GHB became hard to get and it wasn't a big deal. To this day it comes around and I don't bother becaus it's never as good as it used to be. Point being GHB addiction is a total myth.
Dude - try telling that to Justin Rys (PIP)
-- copy & paste - full version here: http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=573540.25#lastPos (http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=573540.25#lastPos)t --
The tragic case of body builder Justin Rys .
Posted by roger brooking on November 21, 2011
Posted in: Prisoners stories. 5 Comments
This is a sad story. It’s about a man with an obsession – an obsession which is so out of control, it’s killing him. That man is Justin Rys, New Zealand’s most successful body builder. He has won a number of titles in his short life including Mr New Zealand, Mr Australasia and Mr Oceania.
To help build body mass, Mr Rys uses steroids, growth hormones and other drugs. The steroids have enlarged and weakened his heart, which has led to breathing difficulties. By the time he was 24, his heart was already so weak that he collapsed one day and had to be taken to hospital. He was told he could be dead within five years. But Mr Rys was a driven man and figured he had nothing to lose – and now he was going to die anyway. Once he got out of hospital, he continued using body building drugs and working out.
Fantasy (GHB and GBL)
One of the drugs he used was GBL a Class B drug with the street name – Fantasy. GBL promotes the body’s production of growth hormone and strengthens muscle tone. In the US, it is used as a treatment for cataplexy – a condition in which patients lose muscle tone and collapse. Mr Rys began using GBL at age 19. Eventually he was taking up to 120 mls a day – enough to kill a recreational user. (A recreational dose, inducing a pleasant sense of well-being, is about 2 – 4 mls.)
GBL was made illegal in New Zealand in 2002 by which time Mr Rys had already been using it for five years. In 2007, at the age of, he was arrested for importation and given a nine year sentence – reduced on appeal to seven years. He was released on parole in 2010. Soon after, he headed to Fiji where steroids and GBL could be legally purchased at chemist shops. Not surprisingly, his heart condition deteriorated rapidly. He returned to New Zealand after only two months, collapsed getting off the plane and spent 10 days in hospital. This time the specialists told him he probably had only 12 months to live.
Megarexia
This is seriously compulsive behaviour and one can’t help but wonder why someone would do this to themselves. The reality is that Mr Rys is driven by something stronger than drug addiction. He has muscle dysmorphic disorder, sometimes known as megarexia. When he looks in the mirror, he sees himself as small even though he looks massive compared to you and I. Megarexia is the opposite of anorexia in which those afflicted are so obsessed with their weight, they may starve themselves to death.
When Mr Rys got out of hospital, his heart specialist told him he had to lose weight – no easy task for someone with megarexia. But he tried and over the next six months he lost about 20kg. But losing weight made him depressed and he didn’t feel any better. He was going to die anyway so what difference did it make – the allure of the Fantasy came back to his mind.
It was then that Mr Rys discovered a beauty product called EzFlow Tip Blender which was 70% GBL, 30% alcohol and available on TradeMe This product is used by beauticians up and down the country and imported into New Zealand by a company in Whakatane. The owner of this company said she had been importing it since 2003 (after GBL was declared illegal). She even has a dangerous goods certificate from the Customs Service giving her permission.
After further investigation, Mr Rys found that GBL is also a naturally occurring by product in the manufacture of wine and most wines contain small quantities. It’s also used in a variety of industrial products. The fact that GBL is present in so many other products and EzFlow Tip Blender was being imported with the blessing of the Customs Service lulled Mr Rys into a false sense of hope – or fantasy – perhaps EzFlow Tip Blender was not an illegal product. So he imported large quantities for his personal use from the same company in the United States that the beauticians in New Zealand get it from.
The Customs Service didn’t like that. Mr Rys was known to have a criminal record. So they prosecuted him and charged him with importation of a Class B drug. They didn’t charge beauticians who had been breaking the law for nine years; nor did they charge anyone importing wine containing GBL. As far as the Customs Service is concerned, there seems to be one law for Justin Rys and another one for everyone else using this product.
Mr Rys is currently on remand in Rimutaka prison. His health is so poor, he takes seven different medications. His heart is so weak, he gets short of breath and struggles to breathe at night. He has apnoea – he stops breathing when he falls asleep and requires an oxygen mask to assist his breathing. Without the mask, he almost suffocates in his sleep which wakes him up. This happens dozens of times a night.
Mr Rys’ addiction is unusual. He has two drivers for his drug addiction – muscle dysmorphic disorder which is a life threatening mental health condition and the addictive nature of the drugs themselves