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:D ;D
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True...Ooops! Wait a minute! I did discover something just this year!
You are an ass. Not earth shattering. Not even mind numbing. And when you consider that more people than just us here know you, it really isn't that much of a "discovery". But still, you're an ass.
Not all the time, mind you. It's one thing to disagree but it's the childish manner in which you express said disagreements that makes you a most disagreeable manlet in topics such as this. But I enjoy some of your thoughts all the same.
And by the way, I am not "religious". I have faith, not religion.
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True...Ooops! Wait a minute! I did discover something just this year!
You are an ass. Not earth shattering. Mot even mind numbing. And when you consider that more people than just us here know you, it really isn't that much of a "discovery". But still, you're an ass.
Not all the time, mind you. It's one thing to disagree but it's the childish manner in which you express said disagreements makes you a most disagreeable manlet in topics such as this. But I enjoy some of your thoughts all the same.
And by the way, I am not "religious". I have faith, not religion.
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;D You are the King, after all. My most humble thanks to your Majesty. ;D
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;D You are the King, after all. My most humble thanks to your Majesty. ;D
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TA's religion is not having a religion...and he is more fanatical about it than the most religious people on the planet.
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TA's religion is not having a religion...and he is more fanatical about it than the most religious people on the planet.
thats ta's downfall otherwise hes a likeable guy
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TA's religion is not having a religion...and he is more fanatical about it than the most religious people on the planet.
Moron. Atheism is the absence of religion its not a belief.
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TA's religion is not having a religion...and he is more fanatical about it than the most religious people on the planet.
I find it amusing to point how perpetually stupid the religious are and how they contribute absolutely nothing to society because of their religion. Religion still has a large stranglehold on society and culture, particularly in the Middle East. No good comes from any religion.
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muslims seems to have a more inferior religion wich makes them and there religion doubly inferior
im a fan of the "god is probably out there in some shape or form or physics equation religion""
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I lean towards deism. Although I still leave it ultimately to my interpretation.
Deism (i/ˈdiː.ɪzəm/ or /ˈdeɪ.ɪzəm/) is the belief that reason and observation of the natural world are sufficient to determine the existence of God, accompanied with the rejection of revelation and authority as a source of religious knowledge Deism gained prominence in the 17th and 18th centuries during the Age of Enlightenment—especially in Britain, France, Germany, and in the United States—among intellectuals raised as Christians who believed in one god, but found fault with organized religion and did not believe in supernatural events such as miracles, the inerrancy of scriptures, or the Trinity.
Deism is derived from deus, the Latin word for god. The earliest known usage in print of the English term deist is 1621, and deism is first found in a 1675 dictionary. Deistic ideas influenced several leaders of the American and French Revolutions. Two main forms of deism currently exist: classical deism and modern deism.
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muslims seems to have a more inferior religion wich makes them and there religion doubly inferior
im a fan of the "god is probably out there in some shape or form or physics equation religion""
Muslims pray to the exact same god as Christians do and they recognize Jesus Christ as a prophet.
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I lean towards deism. Although I still leave it ultimately to my interpretation.
Deism (i/ˈdiː.ɪzəm/ or /ˈdeɪ.ɪzəm/) is the belief that reason and observation of the natural world are sufficient to determine the existence of God, accompanied with the rejection of revelation and authority as a source of religious knowledge Deism gained prominence in the 17th and 18th centuries during the Age of Enlightenment—especially in Britain, France, Germany, and in the United States—among intellectuals raised as Christians who believed in one god, but found fault with organized religion and did not believe in supernatural events such as miracles, the inerrancy of scriptures, or the Trinity.
Deism is derived from deus, the Latin word for god. The earliest known usage in print of the English term deist is 1621, and deism is first found in a 1675 dictionary. Deistic ideas influenced several leaders of the American and French Revolutions. Two main forms of deism currently exist: classical deism and modern deism.
Just as moronic. Where is your evidence or proof for any of this? Why would you automatically believe something you have no evidence for as a default setting? That does not make any sense.
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Muslims pray to the exact same god as Christians do and they recognize Jesus Christ as a prophet.
People are always shocked when I tell them this lol
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Just as moronic. Where is your evidence or proof for any of this? Why would you automatically believe something you have no evidence for as a default setting? That does not make any sense.
Not saying I did. I said I leaned closest to deism. I do not believe in the bible or organized religion. I do feel that there are things that are hard for science to explain. It is the ultimate enigma. All one has to do is look at the universe. What is the purpose of it?
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People are always shocked when I tell them this lol
It's easy to shock those with no knowledge on the subject. You can make up all kinds of things.
TA is wrong though.
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Not saying I did. I said I leaned closest to deism. I do not believe in the bible or organized religion. I do feel that there are things that are hard for science to explain. It is the ultimate enigma. All one has to do is look at the universe. What is the purpose of it?
Why do you think there has to be a purpose? Furthermore, if a question is unanswered, why can`t you just say it is unanswered as of now. Why would you default to the Supernatural? That is a moronic thing to do.
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It's easy to shock those with no knowledge on the subject. You can make up all kinds of things.
TA is wrong though.
Wrong about what? That Muslims and Christians pray to the same god and both recognize Jesus Christ as a Prophet?
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Muslims pray to the exact same god as Christians do and they recognize Jesus Christ as a prophet.
They don't actually. I have a degree in Religious Studies (focus on Islamic, Hebraic, Mormon, and Hindu Thought) and a Masters in Christian Thought. As exciting and useful as they sound.
Anywho, Muslims do not pray to the Christian God, neither do Jews or Mormons. In Christianity, one must believe that Jesus is God. If you don't believe that he is God, then you're not a Christian and you believe something else. It's just the reality of the faith and thought.
Muslims believe Jesus was a prophet and not God, didn't die on the cross, didn't die for the sins of humanity, wasn't resurrected. That's nearly as far away from the Christian understanding of God as you can get. Jews hold the same position, though not the prophet aspect, most Jews acknowledge Jesus as a good teacher.
Again, not a big deal to not believe Jesus of Nazareth was God. But, if you don't, then you're not worshiping the same God as Christians do.
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Why do you think there has to be a purpose? Furthermore, if a question is unanswered, why can`t you just say it is unanswered as of now. Why would you default to the Supernatural? That is a moronic thing to do.
Life in itself does not make sense. What are we all doing here? What purpose does life serve in the scheme of things? Science will never explain that.
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Wrong about what? That Muslims and Christians pray to the same god and both recognize Jesus Christ as a Prophet?
Muslims and Christians do not pray to the same God.
Yes, Muslims recognize Christ as prophet, but they also claim him as the coming Messiah that will come to destroy the cross of Christianity. Muslims do not believe in the Christian Trinity of God (Father, Son and Spirit). They fully deny the divinity of Christ and therefore deny the full essence of the Christian God. Muslims pray to Allah who has no partners. Jews and the first Christians identified Christ as a prophet, but also a teacher, the Messiah, the Son of God and risen Lord. Christians identify Jesus Christ as fully man and fully God.....coined under the term the hypostatic union.
Muslims also claim that prophet Abraham, prophet Moses, prophet Jesus were all Muslim and worshipped Allah(Allah....Elah....Elohim. ..some bridge the gap this way).
Christ said that before Abraham was I AM. I AM is the eternal name of God derived from YHWH.....Yahweh.....Jeho vah.
Not the same.
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In terms of 2012 discoveries, leading textual critic and Christian Dan Wallace presented the discovery of various 2nd century manuscripts of NT books and the discovery of a 1st copy manuscript fragment of the gospel of Mark. The publication of the finding are supposed to released through publisher E.J. Brill sometime this year. A first century copy of Mark may be an enormous find depending on the content.
I’ve personally been waiting to read and understand these finding for 18 months now.
There have also been more biblical archeological finds in 2012 and 2013 that validate passages of the OT and NT. I'd have to Google the finds since I don't have this info at my fingertips.
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Muslims pray to the exact same god as Christians do and they recognize Jesus Christ as a prophet.
Epic knowledge. :D
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Your belief is the absence of religion.
Moron. Atheism is the absence of religion its not a belief.
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Life in itself does not make sense. What are we all doing here? What purpose does life serve in the scheme of things? Science will never explain that.
There is no "purpose" to life. Your genes are the only things that survive, your "life" and whatever you do with it is completely useless and meaningless in the grand scheme of the Universe. DNA and genes are also useless in the grand scheme of the Universe. Life is just a byproduct of having the right conditions on a planet that is habitable and in the Goldilocks zone. Yes, Science can explain this and has.
Sorry to ruin "the sanctity of life" for you, but this is the way it is.
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They don't actually. I have a degree in Religious Studies (focus on Islamic, Hebraic, Mormon, and Hindu Thought) and a Masters in Christian Thought. As exciting and useful as they sound.
Anywho, Muslims do not pray to the Christian God, neither do Jews or Mormons. In Christianity, one must believe that Jesus is God. If you don't believe that he is God, then you're not a Christian and you believe something else. It's just the reality of the faith and thought.
Muslims believe Jesus was a prophet and not God, didn't die on the cross, didn't die for the sins of humanity, wasn't resurrected. That's nearly as far away from the Christian understanding of God as you can get. Jews hold the same position, though not the prophet aspect, most Jews acknowledge Jesus as a good teacher.
Again, not a big deal to not believe Jesus of Nazareth was God. But, if you don't, then you're not worshiping the same God as Christians do.
HA HA HA
You have a degree in Fictitious Studies as far as I am concerned. A Masters In "Christian Thought" ROFLMAO! One could only imagine the depth of knowledge contained therein. ::)
So Jesus is the son of god but he is also god? ??? ROFLMAO To think you believe this stuff. You are insane.
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In terms of 2012 discoveries, leading textual critic and Christian Dan Wallace presented the discovery of various 2nd century manuscripts of NT books and the discovery of a 1st copy manuscript fragment of the gospel of Mark. The publication of the finding are supposed to released through publisher E.J. Brill sometime this year. A first century copy of Mark may be an enormous find depending on the content.
I’ve personally been waiting to read and understand these finding for 18 months now.
There have also been more biblical archeological finds in 2012 and 2013 that validate passages of the OT and NT. I'd have to Google the finds since I don't have this info at my fingertips.
Oh those will be useful I am sure. ::)
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Your belief is the absence of religion.
Atheism is the absence of belief, genius.
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Oh those will be useful I am sure. ::)
Don't worry TA, I'll be available to explain things to you.
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They don't actually. I have a degree in Religious Studies (focus on Islamic, Hebraic, Mormon, and Hindu Thought) and a Masters in Christian Thought. As exciting and useful as they sound.
Anywho, Muslims do not pray to the Christian God, neither do Jews or Mormons. In Christianity, one must believe that Jesus is God. If you don't believe that he is God, then you're not a Christian and you believe something else. It's just the reality of the faith and thought.
Muslims believe Jesus was a prophet and not God, didn't die on the cross, didn't die for the sins of humanity, wasn't resurrected. That's nearly as far away from the Christian understanding of God as you can get. Jews hold the same position, though not the prophet aspect, most Jews acknowledge Jesus as a good teacher.
Again, not a big deal to not believe Jesus of Nazareth was God. But, if you don't, then you're not worshiping the same God as Christians do.
http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2013/09/01/do-christians-muslims-and-jews-worship-the-same-god/
Final answer
So do Christians Muslims, and Jews, really all worship the same God?
In two major volumes on the subject recently published by scholars from various faiths and traditions, including Volf’s, the most inclusive response from these scholars is basically: Yes, and it’s our God.
This is not a new way of answering the question.
In 1076, Pope Gregory VII wrote this to a Muslim leader: “We believe in and confess one God, admittedly, in a different way…”
But like many other religious leaders on all sides of the argument, Gregory insisted that his version of the Almighty is the one whom the others are unknowingly and incompletely worshiping.
A less exclusivist set of religions might shrug off the differences. But all three claim to have the only “True Faith.”
So do all three faiths actually worship the same deity, whether they call him God or Allah or Adonai?
God only knows.
Jeffrey Weiss is an award-winning religion reporter in Dallas.The views expressed in this column belong to Weiss.
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http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2013/09/01/do-christians-muslims-and-jews-worship-the-same-god/
Final answer
So do Christians Muslims, and Jews, really all worship the same God?
In two major volumes on the subject recently published by scholars from various faiths and traditions, including Volf’s, the most inclusive response from these scholars is basically: Yes, and it’s our God.
This is not a new way of answering the question.
In 1076, Pope Gregory VII wrote this to a Muslim leader: “We believe in and confess one God, admittedly, in a different way…”
But like many other religious leaders on all sides of the argument, Gregory insisted that his version of the Almighty is the one whom the others are unknowingly and incompletely worshiping.
A less exclusivist set of religions might shrug off the differences. But all three claim to have the only “True Faith.”
So do all three faiths actually worship the same deity, whether they call him God or Allah or Adonai?
God only knows.
Jeffrey Weiss is an award-winning religion reporter in Dallas.The views expressed in this column belong to Weiss.
Catholics aren't Christians.
Catholics are actually more aligned with Muslims because they both have a works-based theology. Muslims will admit they have no guarantees for their place in eternity, that the mercy of Allah will ultimately prevail and determine their fate. In the mean time they perform works to hopefully enter Allah's paradise and will have their works weighed on scales during judgement.
Catholics also have a works-based theology that enters the equation after salvation through faith. The papacy and teaching magisterium all dictate the terms of Catholicism. It isn't fully based on scripture (more like the minutia of scripture or secondary scripture), but in oral tradition passed from generation to generation through the papacy. Catholics subscribe to the notion that the church of Rome was founded upon the apostle Peter and that each pope is an extension of Peter and that the Pope's word is law. Catholic salvation is not based upon solely upon faith, but the addition of works established by the Roman church. Catholics adhere to a sola Roma perspective, while protestants adhere to Christ and sola scriptura.
Catholics are not Christians as their salvation is not based solely through faith, but also by works; unforutnately our individual works are as filthy rags in the eyes of the Lord. It's only by the shed blood of Christ that we are saved by grace through faith in Christ and thereby justified and deemed righteous before God and indwelt by the Holy Spirit and sanctified for God's purposes. Our works cannot save us from God's judgement and wrath, but the Catholic church believes that it is so. Therefore, Catholics are not Christians and Catholics are more closely aligned with Islam because of their works-based theologies.
Makes sense to me that the papacy would make such a decree and align with Islam (even temporarily). It was in 1076 that the pope declared the supremacy of the papacy and the church even over the thrones of emperors of the time.....the papacy imposed their own standards and began to deviate from what Christ and his apostles had founded.
Even further, we witness today a great deal of Catholic converts/reverts to Islam. Catholics tired of the Roman church, but still in agreement with a works-based theology that Islam offers.
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Catholics aren't Christians.
Catholics are actually more aligned with Muslims because they both have a works-based theology. Muslims will admit they have no guarantees for their place in eternity, that the mercy of Allah will ultimately prevail and determine their fate. In the mean time they perform works to hopefully enter Allah's paradise and will have their works weighed on scales during judgement.
Catholics also have a works-based theology that enters the equation after salvation through faith. The papacy and teaching magisterium all dictate the terms of Catholicism. It isn't fully based on scripture (more like the minutia of scripture or secondary scripture), but in oral tradition passed from generation to generation through the papacy. Catholics subscribe to the notion that the church of Rome was founded upon the apostle Peter and that each pope is an extension of Peter and that the Pope's word is law. Catholic salvation is not based upon solely upon faith, but the addition of works established by the Roman church. Catholics adhere to a sola Roma perspective, while protestants adhere to Christ and sola scriptura.
Catholics are not Christians as their salvation is not based solely through faith, but also by works; unforutnately our individual works are as filthy rags in the eyes of the Lord. It's only by the shed blood of Christ that we are saved by grace through faith in Christ and thereby justified and deemed righteous before God and indwelt by the Holy Spirit and sanctified for God's purposes. Our works cannot save us from God's judgement and wrath, but the Catholic church believes that it is so. Therefore, Catholics are not Christians and Catholics are more closely aligned with Islam because of their works-based theologies.
Makes sense to me that the papacy would make such a decree and align with Islam (even temporarily). It was in 1076 that the pope declared the supremacy of the papacy and the church even over the thrones of emperors of the time.....the papacy imposed their own standards and began to deviate from what Christ and his apostles had founded.
Even further, we witness today a great deal of Catholic converts/reverts to Islam. Catholics tired of the Roman church, but still in agreement with a works-based theology that Islam offers.
WTFFFFFFFFF
You just invalidated any argument you will ever have. Catholics are THE ORIGINAL Christians and Branch of Christianity.
I am literally floored that you don`t know this.
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HA HA HA
You have a degree in Fictitious Studies as far as I am concerned. A Masters In "Christian Thought" ROFLMAO! One could only imagine the depth of knowledge contained therein. ::)
So Jesus is the son of god but he is also god? ??? ROFLMAO To think you believe this stuff. You are insane.
He and God are also a ghost as well. God gave birth to himself and then committed suicide on top of that. When God ( :D ) screamed out on the cross "why have thou forsaken me?" it kind of makes you wonder who he was talking to.
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WTFFFFFFFFF
You just invalidated any argument you will ever have. Catholics are THE ORIGINAL Christians and Branch of Christianity.
I am literally floored that you don`t know this.
No need to be floored. I understand the history of Christianity. Simply put, the Catholic church deviated completely from it's foundations in Christ and the apostles and became consumed with money, power and their own created theology.
The Christian church was founded in and around Rome and lead by the early papacy, but deplorable papal leaders slowly infected the church and the church's theology was slowly morphed away from the ideals of grace through faith that were establisehd by Christ.
The Christian church became the Catholic church.....many Christians thereby adopted Catholicism and became Catholics. This led us to the Reformation in the church which helped reestablish the foundations of the initial Christian church and the ideals of grace through faith and the upholding of the notion that works are but filthy rags to the Lord. The Roman Catholic today exists in it's perverted form still; hence, we have Catholics and Christians that are not the same. The is by no means an exhaustive reply on the subject, simply a high level overview.
Forgive me, but my family is waiting for me.
Have a good evening!!
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He and God are also a ghost as well. God gave birth to himself and then committed suicide on top of that. When God ( :D ) screamed out on the cross "why have thou forsaken me?" it kind of makes you wonder who he was talking to.
Christ cry on the cross was a reference to an old testament Davidic psalm 22 which was also prophetic and detailed what was happening to Christ in that very moment on the cross. While on the cross he showed that OT prophecy had been fulfilled.
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So has as God forsaked himself and committed suicide. Gotcha.
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So has as God forsaked himself and committed suicide. Gotcha.
You read the answer to your question, but you did not consult Psalms 22 that I referenced.
Christ quoted King David and it was David that cried out to the Lord. Christ references this Psalm as it fulfilled prophecy. The Psalm speaks to an experience David had, but it's secondary purpose is prophetic in that it details the same things Christ experienced on the cross.
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Call religion the world's greatest problem but wishing for everyone in this world to not have religion would be insanity...at least with the current population. Talk about a zombie apocalypse...
Smarter than average people made this stuff up a long time ago to control the masses and give even the stupidest person a level of human understanding.
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In terms of 2012 discoveries, leading textual critic and Christian Dan Wallace presented the discovery of various 2nd century manuscripts of NT books and the discovery of a 1st copy manuscript fragment of the gospel of Mark. The publication of the finding are supposed to released through publisher E.J. Brill sometime this year. A first century copy of Mark may be an enormous find depending on the content.
I’ve personally been waiting to read and understand these finding for 18 months now.
There have also been more biblical archeological finds in 2012 and 2013 that validate passages of the OT and NT. I'd have to Google the finds since I don't have this info at my fingertips.
Okay, now answer me this:
How can the above discoveries aid civilization? How can these discoveries greatly affect mankind, and all mankind, not just a subset of a particular religious group? How can these discoveries be similar, to say, the cure of various diseases?
And please do not say something like, "They will affect the morality of mankind" or some lame answer like that.
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Okay, now answer me this:
How can the above discoveries aid civilization? How can these discoveries greatly affect mankind, and all mankind, not just a subset of a particular religious group? How can these discoveries be similar, to say, the cure of various diseases?
And please do not say something like, "They will affect the morality of mankind" or some lame answer like that.
Didn't TA's thread title reference religious discoveries of 2012 or did it reference medical/technological discoveries of 2012? I provided examples of religious discoveries that relate to religion. The NT manuscripts and archeological finds won't advance medicine or technology that I'm aware of.
Maybe you should start a medical/technological discoveries of 2012 thread?
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You are a dunce without your cutting and pasting skills. Atheists' belief is the absence of belief in God. Now go cut and paste something else you mamaluke.
Atheism is the absence of belief, genius. mamaluke.
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You are annoying, ignorant and unoriginal.
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Didn't TA's thread title reference religious discoveries of 2012 or did it reference medical/technological discoveries of 2012? I provided examples of religious discoveries that relate to religion. The NT manuscripts and archeological finds won't advance medicine or technology that I'm aware of.
Maybe you should start a medical/technological discoveries of 2012 thread?
I am aware of the title of the thread.
I am seeking to expand the topic and try to figure out how these discoveries will overall help mankind.
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What does a douche and the true adonis have in common.
They will both clean your asshole.
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Jesus! >:(
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It's true. There are no new discoveries - only rediscoveries and self revelations of age old ideas, concepts and philosophies.
Take any religious book and you'll find a world of wisdom and humanity.
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In terms of 2012 discoveries, leading textual critic and Christian Dan Wallace presented the discovery of various 2nd century manuscripts of NT books and the discovery of a 1st copy manuscript fragment of the gospel of Mark. The publication of the finding are supposed to released through publisher E.J. Brill sometime this year. A first century copy of Mark may be an enormous find depending on the content.
I’ve personally been waiting to read and understand these finding for 18 months now.
There have also been more biblical archeological finds in 2012 and 2013 that validate passages of the OT and NT. I'd have to Google the finds since I don't have this info at my fingertips.
No. They suggest evidence for, not validate. Let's not conflate science and religion.
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It's true. There are no new discoveries - only rediscoveries and self revelations of age old ideas, concepts and philosophies.
Take any religious book and you'll find a world of wisdom and humanity.
Aesop`s Fables are better in that regard.
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I find it amusing to point how perpetually stupid the religious are and how they contribute absolutely nothing to society because of their religion. Religion still has a large stranglehold on society and culture, particularly in the Middle East. No good comes from any religion.
Such an absolute statement is a mark of intelligence. Surety reminiscent of a Hebrew street preacher or Wahabi Imam.
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You are a dunce without your cutting and pasting skills. Atheists' belief is the absence of belief in God. Now go cut and paste something else you mamaluke.
No, it is the absence of belief, any belief. You clearly cannot fathom people who do not cling to anything, and thus reason that, if one does not believe A, then one must believe B. But it really is possible (and preferable) to not believe anything. If atheism was a belief, then people would stick to it no matter what, in total irrational delusion. An atheist can be easily convinced that he's been wrong. Just show me an actual miracle (not something that happens merely by chance) and I will instantly change my mind.
But show me a convincing argument first. If tomorrow a copy of earth appears where the moon is, and it has the face of jesus on it, I'll instantly be on my knees. Until then I'm not going to entertain the thought of even the possibility of something that goes against all logic and science.
Atheism doesn't require proof, it is the default state of thought: what the shape of god is isn't a question I ask myself, as I have seen nothing to indicate that there is something to choose from.
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Such an absolute statement is a mark of intelligence. Surety reminiscent of a Hebrew street preacher or Wahabi Imam.
You mean the absolute certainty of 'god must exist'? ::)
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many people here prefer attacking other peoples beliefs ranther than develop their own beliefs
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many people here prefer attacking other peoples beliefs ranther than develop their own beliefs
Hmm. You mean making fun of other people's fairy tales?
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many people here prefer attacking other peoples beliefs ranther than develop their own beliefs
That's a good point, but how many religious people do the same thing?
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Never gets old :D
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many people here prefer attacking other peoples beliefs ranther than develop their own beliefs
You are assuming people are desperately looking for something to believe in. Apart from those who fall for larger or smaller cults, this just isn't the case. I personally also do not want to develop a belief system. Why would I? Should I find something I don't believe in, and lie to myself to start believing that?
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You are a dunce without your cutting and pasting skills. Atheists' belief is the absence of belief in God. Now go cut and paste something else you mamaluke.
Incorrect, Atheists have no Belief at all in imaginary Gods
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Mods, can this idiotic discussion be moved to the
fiction religion board please?
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The reason TA is so adamant that life has no purpose is because his own life has none. He lives off the success of others, spoiled and obviously extremely bored.
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Mods, can this idiotic discussion be moved to the fiction religion board please?
Heh-heh. Next time I hit the Manu, we will have a few pints. ;D
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Ha! One of few Getbig pics I have in my save-thingy. Bravo! ;D
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No need to be floored. I understand the history of Christianity. Simply put, the Catholic church deviated completely from it's foundations in Christ and the apostles and became consumed with money, power and their own created theology.The Christian church was founded in and around Rome and lead by the early papacy, but deplorable papal leaders slowly infected the church and the church's theology was slowly morphed away from the ideals of grace through faith that were establisehd by Christ.
The Christian church became the Catholic church.....many Christians thereby adopted Catholicism and became Catholics. This led us to the Reformation in the church which helped reestablish the foundations of the initial Christian church and the ideals of grace through faith and the upholding of the notion that works are but filthy rags to the Lord. The Roman Catholic today exists in it's perverted form still; hence, we have Catholics and Christians that are not the same. The is by no means an exhaustive reply on the subject, simply a high level overview.
Forgive me, but my family is waiting for me.
Have a good evening!!
Applies to almost every denomination/church ever...
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Applies to almost every denomination/church ever...
Amen.
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THE HEBREWS WERE BLACK...FACT!!!
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A reason to hate science.
People need to die....especially ones who obsessively come to the internetz to argue over religion.
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THE HEBREWS WERE BLACK...FACT!!!
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THIS IS GREATEST PIECE OF ART I'VE EVER SEEN ON GETBIG! HE EVEN GOT THE CORRECT BIBLE! PRAISE GOD!
IRONMEISTER! I'M IN YOUR DEBT!
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A reason to hate science.
People need to die....especially ones who obsessively come to the internetz to argue over religion.
(Good) Science is objective. Can't hate.
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for the love of god do you guys really believe in religion?
geezuz
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THE HEBREWS WERE BLACK...FACT!!!
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mohammad holding a bible?
ironmeister watch out you'll be the next salman rushdie
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(Good) Science is objective. Can't hate.
I sure can :D
for the love of god do you guys really believe in religion?
geezuz
Does anyone really think they're gonna change someone else's mind?
Its like watching a bunch of retards go at it ffs
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mohammad holding a bible?
ironmeister watch out you'll be the next salman rushdie
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It's not Mohammad. It's me in traditional Hebrew attire with the King James Bible. It's beautiful.
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Sorry dude but TA's got a point here, Roman Catholics are the original Christians, and the church was founded by a Jew named Peter who's burial site is known there. There are lots of written accounts of this because there were lots of people who knew him and have recorded it, its in the Vatican library, and his teachings which where taught to him by Jesus are passed on in what they call oral tradition.
So the fact that Catholics say they have the true interpretation of scripture has the most validity, whereas the other tens of thousands of denominations follow a circular reasoning argument of "scripture alone" leading to countless of different interpretations and Christian sects, not what God had in mind I think...
Your other argument that "Our works cannot save us from God's judgement and wrath, but the Catholic church believes that it is so. Therefore, Catholics are not Christians and Catholics are more closely aligned with Islam because of their works-based theologies." is false as well.
James 2:24 "Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only." Catholics believe that righteousness does come from God and not by oneself, because of original sin, one cannot produce any righteous acts, therefore Christ, helps one become righteous but it needs active cooperation.
Your quote " individual works are as filthy rags" pertaining to Isaiah 64:6 in the bible was actually addressed to a particular historical situation, not to a general condition... The passage appeals to a time when Israelites once had a right relationship with God, when God helped them against their enemies, and remembered his ways, but when they turned against him and returned to their former ways he abandoned them leading to the destruction of Jerusalem and its Temple...
I think you have good intentions MOS, but like so many protestants I believe you're somewhat ignorant of history.
Hey Sizwe,
I appreciate your comments, they are some of the most genuine I’ve read in this thread.
I did note that the Christian church was founded in and around Rome so no conflict there.
We can go back to July 19, 325AD at the council of Nicea in which Constantine (the Emperor of Rome) gathered together all the bishops of the church (including those of Rome which he conferred with the most) in order to discuss the concept of Arianism. It’s here that the council of bishops unified the theology and affirmed the Trinity of God, developed the Nicene Creed and rejected the concept of Arianism. All this developed and unified under the council of bishops of the early Christian church founded in and lead by the bishops of Rome primarily. The roots of the Christian church are undeniable and not in question. Although the true roots are founded in Jesus Christ and his apostles.
The Catholic church and the papacy of Catholic church (the pope in particular) claim to be extensions of Peter who Christ founded the church in as Christ said, “you are Peter and upon this rock I will build my church”…the most common appeal from Rome. But the rock is not Peter, the rock is Christ and Peter affirms this is in his own book (Peter 1). He acknowledges that Christ is the living cornerstone of the church that all is founded upon. In 1 Peter 2:8 he goes on to affirm that Christ is the rock….”he is the stone that makes people stumble, the rock that makes them fall.”
The whole of Christiainity was founded on a premise of oral tradition and this oral tradition was passed from jew to gentile. The early ministry of Christ’s apostles was established upon oral tradition. Hard to write stuff down when your spreading the good news and fighting for your life!
Keep in mind that the connection I made between Catholicism and Islam is based upon works-based theology only. I did not say Catholics are Muslims or Muslims are Catholics…..they are not. My intention was not offend Muslims or Catholics by claiming the two are interchangeable….they are not. They have independent theologies that both happen to be works based.
You are confusing salvation, justification and sanctification. The Catholic church often appeals to James 2:24 in these discussions, but the book of Romans clearly defines justification. The context of James 2:24 is everything and that context is that our our faith without our good works (through sanctification of the Holy Spirit) is dead….. justification is not salvation though. If you read my posts I refer to salvation by grace through faith. We are saved by grace through faith in Christ and nothing else…..nothing else. And what are we saved from? The judgement and wrath of God. Justification is the gift of grace in which the believer is freed from sin, but that freedom is based upon Christ’s act on the cross. James entire point was that our faith in Christ is meaningless is we don’t act upon it. Many claim to be Christians, but life the lives of devils…this is dead faith (or no faith). James even noted that even the demons believe in God. We must act upon faith (or work in our faith) to develop good fruits, but those works do not save us. Salvation comes before justification and salvation is only achieved via grace through faith in Christ. James’ book simply summarizes that if you claim Christ then live out your faith accordingly.
I will certainly concede the historical setting of Isaiah, but the validity of the verses is undeniable and its truth spans beyond the history of the moment and is absolutely relevant today. The Catholic appeal to historical context not transitioning forward is similar to Islam claiming the sword verse (Surah 9:5) is only historically relevant. Yet we witness radical Islam upholding the same standards today (allow me to note that this standard is not representative of the majority of Islam today though). Despite the punishment upon God’s people the additional verses in Isaiah provide more direction, “You welcome those who gladly do good, who follow godly ways. But you have been very angry with us, for we are not godly. We are constant sinners; how can people like us be saved? We are all infected and impure with sin. When we display our righteous deeds, they are nothing but filthy rags.”
You are correct that I still have a ton of history to learn…I’m no expert LOL.
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I remember this thread....good times had by all!
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I remember this thread....good times had by all!
Indeed.
Can`t wait for the exciting discoveries to come in 2013 and beyond. :D
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Religions are worthless. Most all wars are fought over that nonsense.
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Lol@ some of the nonsense people come up with. Allah is simply the Arabic name for God. Allah is not a word that was created during the time of Prophet Muhammad. All Arabic speaking Christians and Jews say Allah, not God, or any other name.
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Also when a Muslim refers to Jesus, or any other prophet, as being Muslim. It simply means they were one who submitted themselves to the will of God. That is the definition of the word.
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Religions are worthless. Most all wars are fought over that nonsense.
It's only approximately 1000 more years left of fundamental Islam though. I believe that's the last lesson we must go through before claiming secular super status
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It's only approximately 1000 more years left of fundamental Islam though. I believe that's the last lesson we must go through before claiming secular super status
Great discovery.
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one doesn't have to have or be a "religious" person to believe in what ever or have beliefs
True, but many folks want to be part of a group/community.
I'm 'only' a Getbigger ;)
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Define "Religion"
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Define "Religion"
"Have you Heard.....Bird, is the Word" :-X