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Big RAMY! Why he is OVERRATED !!!
The biggest talking point at this year’s upcoming Mr. Olympia shindig– beside Bob Chick’s sartorial decisions – is the debut of 285-pound Big Ramy. When he made his winning pro debut at last May’s New York Pro he was the biggest thing to hit bodybuilding since King Kamali’s ego.
Stacking 285 pounds on his 5’10” frame, the 28 year old Egyptian – who now lives in Kuwait – stunned all those in attendance onstage and offstage not just with his huge muscle size but also his balance and shape and a waist taper unusual for most belonging to the mass monsters club. Quite simply we have not seen someone of this size and this complete before. But to my tired peepers there are four factors to be considered before we crown Big Ramy the 14th Mr. Olympia champ.
Factor One: Shock Value Won’t Last: There is no doubt that Big Ramy shook the Tribeca to its rafters, putting the local fire departments on earthquake alert, and stunned everyone in his pro debut. The sheer size of the guy took the breath away and backed up by his proportions and tight waist the fact that he did have some weaknesses were maybe overlooked. Going into the Olympia he won’t have that same “first impressions” shock value? The same surprise element won’t be there. Like losing your virginity, it only happens once – personally I can’t wait.
(http://musculardevelopment.com/images/2013/ramy3.jpg)
Factor Two: The Victor Factor: The main plotline going into the 2012 New York Pro was the return of Victor Martinez after nearly two years away from competition. Now let it be said that the Victor Martinez who appeared on May 25 and was runner-up to Big Ramy isn’t the best Victor (a formidable opponent indeed) we’ve seen. He was conditioned but was leaner and little flattish in some areas, but overall he had crisper detail than Ramy. The latter usually being the clinching winning factor. But to return to the question of a best ever Victor (probably his second place at the 2007 Olympia) it’s a truism that veteran competitors like the popular Dominican are judged not only on who is standing next to them but also against their former best. This probably hurt Victor’s placing. That is not a knock against the judges: It’s human nature in all walks of life to compare the past against the present. A Victor in prime shape would have probably beaten Ramy. Plus in reviewing the full line-up, of the 18 others Ramy finished ahead of only two (Martinez and Marcus Haley) have ever made an Olympia appearance. This is not strictly to say it was a weak field, more it was a field of mostly youngish talent who are still WIP.
Factor Three: Ramy’s Weaknesses: Now speaking of weaknesses at Ramy’s level of physical development is like criticizing Roger Federer’s backhand, but when there’s talk about our subject winning this year’s Olympia closer inspection is required. Big Ramy had a couple of pointed anomalies in the pec area which are usually punished. His thighs are humungous (like he’s got a bantamweight strapped to each leg) but from what was seen in New York they lacked deep separation and cross striations. Also his hams (from the back) and calves need improvement. His back while maybe being the widest around could still use a bit more thickness and certainly detail in order to joust with the Heaths and Greenes of the bodybuilding world. Chest could be thicker also
(http://musculardevelopment.com/images/2013/ramy1.jpg)
Factor Four: The Devil’s In The Details In my opinion Ramy wasn’t 100 per cent dialed in in New York He wasn’t bone dry which made him unable to exhibit rock hard muscle: It seemed there was a slight blurriness caused by a thin film of water. We didn’t see the sort of detail that is needed for a top six Olympia spot. Some pundits are of the opinion that if Ramy drops ten pounds then look out Phil Heath. On the other hand dropping ten pounds won’t give him more back thickness, better calves and hams and cross striations in his thighs. It may be that Heathlike detail is not there to be mined out. Like most factors in bodybuilding the bottom line is genetics: you either have that feathery type detail embedded in the muscles or you don’t. Training another few years will enable muscle maturity to kick in and improve separation, but it won’t unearth crazy detail if it’s not inherent in the genes. To defeat a Mr. Olympia history proves you have to beat him at his own game or wait for his decline. Phil’s Heath game is packing his physique with more detail than we’ve seen before: He’s the Devil with the details everyone else has to get past. In viewing the top four at last year’s Olympia (in order Phil Heath, Kai Greene, Shawn Rhoden, Dexter Jackson) they all would appear to have Ramy beaten in the detail department.
WAIT AND SEE
This has not been a low-blowed attempt to derail Big Ramy. I think he’s livened up the bodybuilding scene like no other competitor in recent years, and we should treasure him as he develops (maybe to Mr. Olympia status) not overburden him with impossible expectations. Making the top six would be a tremendous achievement for the rookie but to expect him to win this year is liking expecting Miley Cirus to keep her clothes on from now on. Ain’t gonna happen.
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Like I said a LOT of people are going to be disappointed with his placement. And funny I pointed out the exact same weaknesses ;D 8)
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I said this as well - Ramy is very good, no doubt, but he'll be lucky if he cracks top six. In fact, I'm surprised Peter McGough didn't mention the dodgy oil-filled delts.
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spot on!
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He wrote everything I did, just with a British accent.
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Novice calves on professional bodybuilders is becoming a standard. What difference do 44 inch thighs make if you don't have the calves to support them....
Poverty Calves: Calves that can't support their thighs. ;D
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Agreed. His calves fucking suck. Do whatever it is he needs to do to get them to match his thighs, including bringing his thighs down for more separation and definition.
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Agreed. His calves fucking suck. Do whatever it is he needs to do to get them to match his thighs, including bringing his thighs down for more separation and definition.
Like Wolf and Ronnie , they NEVER will. Perhaps getting his quads down will help minimize the effect
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Like Wolf and Ronnie , they NEVER will. Perhaps getting his quads down will help minimize the effect
Yep.
That's his only option. Unless he starts injecting shit in his calves, which he obviously hasn't been doing.
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ramy and wolf with zero calves
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Haters gonna hate
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Whatever -
Big Ramy will be in Los Angeles the Tuesday after the Olympia visiting some stores for GAT.
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Phil, Jay and Kai all have calves. Better detail too. 4th.
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Bodybuilding should make it easier on the competitors and just make it about how much bigger your thighs can be compared to to your calves-without amputating your calves though...
On the right is proportional:
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blah blah blah
Ramy will do fine
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Still say 4th place!
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guys totally out of whack, you're immediately drawn to the thighs which look ridiculous on the comparitive tooth pick calves
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well, screw peter mc gough
10 days now.
rami didnt go to usa to go home pennyless, he went there to collect the prize moneys.
lol@calves , his calves probably still better than half the line up.
his legs need more striations and cuts, really?well, they are now there.
his back needs more detail?compared to who, only phil and jay can beat him in rear double biceps, assuming all come conditioned.
the devil of details, uhm, he got striated glutes and everything, no oil, all good.
10 days we will see when they line up.
We will and he wont be vying for top spot.
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if I had to 'choose' to have the physique of one bber, past of present, i'd take Ramy's.. i'd take it over Dennis Wolf, as well as Dorian and Ronnie... well, maybe Ronnie in '03, maybe...
but Ramy's 'weaknesses' are far less 'weak' than Phil Health's were 3-4 years ago.
Ramy's quads/legs are better than phils (and so are a lot of guys... i'd even venture to say Toney Freeman's legs are better than Phils)
Ronnie had shitty calves... dex had shitty calves. Even flex before he filled them with oil..... hell, non-white bbers with good calves are rare (except Aaron Baker and Vince Taylor, and Paul dillett... although Paul's half-white)... even Chris Cormier's calves aren't great, and he was one of the (if not THE) most solidly muscled & legitimately-built black bbers in the sport in the past 20 years. (actual, dense, 'real' muscle earned in the gym and not filled with oil.... save for his medial delts)
most of us here are bodybuilders, and i'd hope the judges are bbers as well... and we ALL should know that calves are largely genetic, and Ramy's seem to be about as 'developed' as his genes will allow. i'd guess he could MAYBE improve them another 5-10%, but even then, they'd still suck..... same with Ruhl's triceps, but then again, if Mr. O's placings were weighted heavily on calve development, Mike Mattarazo would've been top 3.
his delts have oil, so what... so are A LOT of guys delts... but his delts hold the oil very well, unlike A LOT of guys. (ruhl, Nasser, paco, dillett, cormier, ect... claude groulx's delts held oil well, as well as flex's delts held oil very well as well, except when he fucked up in his rear delts for a while)
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peter mcgough would lick every drop of sweat off of ramy's balls on a hot summer day
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6th - 8th place
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Mr.O isn't just about "the biggest or best physique on stage that day".
It's about the best overall representative of the sport!!
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Whatever -
Big Ramy will be in Los Angeles the Tuesday after the Olympia visiting some stores for GAT.
Always promoting. Good job Ron. You deserve some kickbacks from the NPC and the IFBB.
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if I had to 'choose' to have the physique of one bber, past of present, i'd take Ramy's.. i'd take it over Dennis Wolf, as well as Dorian and Ronnie... well, maybe Ronnie in '03, maybe...
but Ramy's 'weaknesses' are far less 'weak' than Phil Health's were 3-4 years ago.
Ramy's quads/legs are better than phils (and so are a lot of guys... i'd even venture to say Toney Freeman's legs are better than Phils)
Ronnie had shitty calves... dex had shitty calves. Even flex before he filled them with oil..... hell, non-white bbers with good calves are rare (except Aaron Baker and Vince Taylor, and Paul dillett... although Paul's half-white)... even Chris Cormier's calves aren't great, and he was one of the (if not THE) most solidly muscled & legitimately-built black bbers in the sport in the past 20 years. (actual, dense, 'real' muscle earned in the gym and not filled with oil.... save for his medial delts)
most of us here are bodybuilders, and i'd hope the judges are bbers as well... and we ALL should know that calves are largely genetic, and Ramy's seem to be about as 'developed' as his genes will allow. i'd guess he could MAYBE improve them another 5-10%, but even then, they'd still suck..... same with Ruhl's triceps, but then again, if Mr. O's placings were weighted heavily on calve development, Mike Mattarazo would've been top 3.
his delts have oil, so what... so are A LOT of guys delts... but his delts hold the oil very well, unlike A LOT of guys. (ruhl, Nasser, paco, dillett, cormier, ect... claude groulx's delts held oil well, as well as flex's delts held oil very well as well, except when he fucked up in his rear delts for a while)
Dillett's delts were big before Synthol was developed...
Cormier, please, the man's delts were striated...you are grasping at straws...
The problem with Ramy is that he is too full of it, just like Flex circa 99-2000s, and it should be punished, mocked, chastised. Marked down. You want great quality physiques up there? Then there needs to be some damn quality control. People like you give excuses for piss poor quality---and that is partially why it continues.
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Cormier, please, the man's delts were striated...you are grasping at straws...
I'm glad you pointed that out. Cormier would spent his money on a bag of weed before he bothered with oil. In his case the oil probably would have helped him win the Arnold at least once, since it would have filled out his lacking parts like Flex.
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I'm glad you pointed that out. Cormier would spent his money on a bag of weed before he bothered with oil. In his case the oil probably would have helped him win the Arnold at least once, since it would have filled out his lacking parts like Flex.
He didn't need it, he outmassed Flex, and if he had played his cards right, could have been in the 270s...
His delts were separated, striated, he was balanced up and down....
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Sherief Where are you? ;D ;)
Factor Four: The Devil’s In The Details In my opinion Ramy wasn’t 100 per cent dialed in in New York He wasn’t bone dry which made him unable to exhibit rock hard muscle: It seemed there was a slight blurriness caused by a thin film of water. We didn’t see the sort of detail that is needed for a top six Olympia spot. Some pundits are of the opinion that if Ramy drops ten pounds then look out Phil Heath. On the other hand dropping ten pounds won’t give him more back thickness, better calves and hams and cross striations in his thighs. It may be that Heathlike detail is not there to be mined out. Like most factors in bodybuilding the bottom line is genetics: you either have that feathery type detail embedded in the muscles or you don’t. Training another few years will enable muscle maturity to kick in and improve separation, but it won’t unearth crazy detail if it’s not inherent in the genes. To defeat a Mr. Olympia history proves you have to beat him at his own game or wait for his decline. Phil’s Heath game is packing his physique with more detail than we’ve seen before: He’s the Devil with the details everyone else has to get past. In viewing the top four at last year’s Olympia (in order Phil Heath, Kai Greene, Shawn Rhoden, Dexter Jackson) they all would appear to have Ramy beaten in the detail department.
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He is capable to be in top 4. but they wont let him. Cus he is not an american.
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He is capable to be in top 4. but they wont let him. Cus he is not an american.
Dorian wasn't an American either...
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Dorian wasn't an American either...
Maybe you are right.
Because Dorian won NOC before O.
Ramy won NY pro(former NOC).
Maybe he has possibility.
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He is capable to be in top 4. but they wont let him. Cus he is not an american.
are you still spewing that retarded argument, half the MR o's where not AMERICAN
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Dillett's delts were big before Synthol was developed...
Cormier, please, the man's delts were striated...you are grasping at straws...
The problem with Ramy is that he is too full of it, just like Flex circa 99-2000s, and it should be punished, mocked, chastised. Marked down. You want great quality physiques up there? Then there needs to be some damn quality control. People like you give excuses for piss poor quality---and that is partially why it continues.
i'm not talking about synthol... i'm talking about site-injections.
cormier had knots on his medial delts for years.
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everybody jumps to the conclusion that oil and site injections = synthol.... it doesn't... it means site injections, period.
a guy running 5-6, or 7 or 9g of anabolics, even if it's high dose 350/400mg/ml test, or 200mg tren or 300mg eq or 300mg deca, you're still looking at 30ml of oil, why on earth would anybody at that level waste an injection site with an inert oil?
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everybody jumps to the conclusion that oil and site injections = synthol.... it doesn't... it means site injections, period.
a guy running 5-6, or 7 or 9g of anabolics, even if it's high dose 350/400mg/ml test, or 200mg tren or 300mg eq or 300mg deca, you're still looking at 30ml of oil, why on earth would anybody at that level waste an injection site with an inert oil?
Your own words strangle you...
his delts have oil, so what... so are A LOT of guys delts... but his delts hold the oil very well, unlike A LOT of guys. (ruhl, Nasser, paco, dillett, cormier, ect... claude groulx's delts held oil well, as well as flex's delts held oil very well as well, except when he fucked up in his rear delts for a while)
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are you still spewing that retarded argument, half the MR o's where not AMERICAN
You dont have any idea of inside story. How many IFBB pros you know personaly?
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competing at 285 pounds.... unreal to think he will be 30 or even 35 pounds heavier than jay cutler. boggles the mind.
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You dont have any idea of inside story. How many IFBB pros you know personaly?
i know a few and your full of shit, cream always rises to the top no matter where your from
the second string may suffer from this, as the american second string will beat them, but as i said, the best always comes through
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Dorian wasn't an American either...
Neither was Arnold , Sergio or Samir
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Americans are so useless what can you expect?
Good point
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Dillett's delts were big before Synthol was developed...
Cormier, please, the man's delts were striated...you are grasping at straws...
The problem with Ramy is that he is too full of it, just like Flex circa 99-2000s, and it should be punished, mocked, chastised. Marked down. You want great quality physiques up there? Then there needs to be some damn quality control. People like you give excuses for piss poor quality---and that is partially why it continues.
couldnt agree more. LOL @ comparing chris cormier the most complete bodybuilder of all time to this guy. He's a monster, with a small waiste. That's all he is....sooo many guys i would rather look like, take the physique of dennis wolfe over him any day
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Bodybuilding is more American
sport show!!
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Bodybuilding is more American sport show!!
it maybe, but there are probably far more competitors in Asia and the Middle East than there are in the US.
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He is capable to be in top 4. but they wont let him. Cus he is not an american.
he owns deep wells (oil). Big market there. Oil money. New market for the sport. Great physique. Can even win since only been 2 years for phil and how much do you expect him to balloon his muscles on that small frame. But to be honest a 2 nd placing since debut. He even got a flex photoshoot.
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You dont have any idea of inside story. How many IFBB pros you know personaly?
way more then you, I work at pro shows, I just was at my friends wedding, ifbb pro, I train with 3 different pros on occasion and go out and drink with another 10 of them, I am in the loop way more the you, what you paco? lmao
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way more then you, I work at pro shows, I just was at my friends wedding, ifbb pro, I train with 3 different pros on occasion and go out and drink with another 10 of them, I am in the loop way more the you, what you paco? lmao
lol kyomo got chingchowned
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paco would have fared no different if he were american, he gets shredded, amazing arms, huge.. but horrible shape, theres no conspiracy...
theres a few good europeans who flew under the radar and would have placed a little higher but were never going to be top 6 mr O material
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Sounds like Peter is butt hurt about something. Ramy was good enuff to win in NY now he needs to come in with better conditioning which I'm sure he knows. How can he be over rated he's only been in one pro show? As far as the WOW factor, I wanna see him standing right next to Phil, but I'm not sure if that will happen.
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Sounds like Peter is butt hurt about something. Ramy was good enuff to win in NY now he needs to come in with better conditioning which I'm sure he knows. How can he be over rated he's only been in one pro show? As far as the WOW factor, I wanna see him standing right next to Phil, but I'm not sure if that will happen.
My lord the NY pro what a top Notch competition! One day ramy will try to lift some real heavy free weights and tear some muscles and game will be over! Not even heavy for a pro just a gettbigger for a flex photoshoot. I am not saying heavy weights are needed to obtain a pro physique but ramy is young and is already done lifting free weights? WTF. If Ramy tried benching 500 lbs for reps on the incline like Kai. Ramy would get the weight stuck on his chest and start yelling in arabic-HELP- HELP-KAI HELP! guy HELP!I KNOW I SHOULD OF STUCK WITH MACHINE,FUCK,PLEASE HELP, I HAVE POCKET BREAD AS REWARD!!!!!
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My lord the NY pro what a top Notch competition! One day ramy will try to lift some real heavy free weights and tear some muscles and game will be over! Not even heavy for a pro just a gettbigger for a flex photoshoot. I am not saying heavy weights are needed to obtain a pro physique but ramy is young and is already done lifting free weights? WTF. If Ramy tried benching 500 lbs for reps on the incline like Kai. Ramy would get the weight stuck on his chest and start yelling in arabic-HELP- HELP-KAI HELP! guy HELP!I KNOW I SHOULD OF STUCK WITH MACHINE,FUCK,PLEASE HELP, I HAVE POCKET BREAD AS REWARD!!!!!
and what in the world does benching 500lb have to do with the OLYMPIA? please enlighten us cause I can bench 500lb, so what do I get for benching 500? A BIG FAT NOTHING.
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Sounds like Peter is butt hurt about something. Ramy was good enuff to win in NY now he needs to come in with better conditioning which I'm sure he knows. How can he be over rated he's only been in one pro show? As far as the WOW factor, I wanna see him standing right next to Phil, but I'm not sure if that will happen.
well said
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Whatever -
Big Ramy will be in Los Angeles the Tuesday after the Olympia visiting some stores for GAT.
Big Ron always being so diplomatic.
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Bodybuilding should make it easier on the competitors and just make it about how much bigger your thighs can be compared to to your calves-without amputating your calves though...
On the right is proportional:
no, the right one looks weird. he should rather shrink his quads to match. and bring up calves and hams ofc.
however... it is a completely moot point. calves count for SHIT in bb.
see ronnie/dexter.
ramy's biggest problem is that he is arabic and can't speak english and sell snake oil to american youth like philsulina.
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Big RAMY! Why he is OVERRATED !!!
The biggest talking point at this year’s upcoming Mr. Olympia shindig– beside Bob Chick’s sartorial decisions – is the debut of 285-pound Big Ramy. When he made his winning pro debut at last May’s New York Pro he was the biggest thing to hit bodybuilding since King Kamali’s ego.
Stacking 285 pounds on his 5’10” frame, the 28 year old Egyptian – who now lives in Kuwait – stunned all those in attendance onstage and offstage not just with his huge muscle size but also his balance and shape and a waist taper unusual for most belonging to the mass monsters club. Quite simply we have not seen someone of this size and this complete before. But to my tired peepers there are four factors to be considered before we crown Big Ramy the 14th Mr. Olympia champ.
Factor One: Shock Value Won’t Last: There is no doubt that Big Ramy shook the Tribeca to its rafters, putting the local fire departments on earthquake alert, and stunned everyone in his pro debut. The sheer size of the guy took the breath away and backed up by his proportions and tight waist the fact that he did have some weaknesses were maybe overlooked. Going into the Olympia he won’t have that same “first impressions” shock value? The same surprise element won’t be there. Like losing your virginity, it only happens once – personally I can’t wait.
(http://musculardevelopment.com/images/2013/ramy3.jpg)
Factor Two: The Victor Factor: The main plotline going into the 2012 New York Pro was the return of Victor Martinez after nearly two years away from competition. Now let it be said that the Victor Martinez who appeared on May 25 and was runner-up to Big Ramy isn’t the best Victor (a formidable opponent indeed) we’ve seen. He was conditioned but was leaner and little flattish in some areas, but overall he had crisper detail than Ramy. The latter usually being the clinching winning factor. But to return to the question of a best ever Victor (probably his second place at the 2007 Olympia) it’s a truism that veteran competitors like the popular Dominican are judged not only on who is standing next to them but also against their former best. This probably hurt Victor’s placing. That is not a knock against the judges: It’s human nature in all walks of life to compare the past against the present. A Victor in prime shape would have probably beaten Ramy. Plus in reviewing the full line-up, of the 18 others Ramy finished ahead of only two (Martinez and Marcus Haley) have ever made an Olympia appearance. This is not strictly to say it was a weak field, more it was a field of mostly youngish talent who are still WIP.
Factor Three: Ramy’s Weaknesses: Now speaking of weaknesses at Ramy’s level of physical development is like criticizing Roger Federer’s backhand, but when there’s talk about our subject winning this year’s Olympia closer inspection is required. Big Ramy had a couple of pointed anomalies in the pec area which are usually punished. His thighs are humungous (like he’s got a bantamweight strapped to each leg) but from what was seen in New York they lacked deep separation and cross striations. Also his hams (from the back) and calves need improvement. His back while maybe being the widest around could still use a bit more thickness and certainly detail in order to joust with the Heaths and Greenes of the bodybuilding world. Chest could be thicker also
(http://musculardevelopment.com/images/2013/ramy1.jpg)
Factor Four: The Devil’s In The Details In my opinion Ramy wasn’t 100 per cent dialed in in New York He wasn’t bone dry which made him unable to exhibit rock hard muscle: It seemed there was a slight blurriness caused by a thin film of water. We didn’t see the sort of detail that is needed for a top six Olympia spot. Some pundits are of the opinion that if Ramy drops ten pounds then look out Phil Heath. On the other hand dropping ten pounds won’t give him more back thickness, better calves and hams and cross striations in his thighs. It may be that Heathlike detail is not there to be mined out. Like most factors in bodybuilding the bottom line is genetics: you either have that feathery type detail embedded in the muscles or you don’t. Training another few years will enable muscle maturity to kick in and improve separation, but it won’t unearth crazy detail if it’s not inherent in the genes. To defeat a Mr. Olympia history proves you have to beat him at his own game or wait for his decline. Phil’s Heath game is packing his physique with more detail than we’ve seen before: He’s the Devil with the details everyone else has to get past. In viewing the top four at last year’s Olympia (in order Phil Heath, Kai Greene, Shawn Rhoden, Dexter Jackson) they all would appear to have Ramy beaten in the detail department.
WAIT AND SEE
This has not been a low-blowed attempt to derail Big Ramy. I think he’s livened up the bodybuilding scene like no other competitor in recent years, and we should treasure him as he develops (maybe to Mr. Olympia status) not overburden him with impossible expectations. Making the top six would be a tremendous achievement for the rookie but to expect him to win this year is liking expecting Miley Cirus to keep her clothes on from now on. Ain’t gonna happen.
Am i the only one here who smells racism in this article.whole white lobby trying their best to bring this guy down.giving him anything less what he deserve at olympia will not be tolerated this time.i smell big law suit against ifbb if that happened...may be its just my nose....
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My lord the NY pro what a top Notch competition! One day ramy will try to lift some real heavy free weights and tear some muscles and game will be over! Not even heavy for a pro just a gettbigger for a flex photoshoot. I am not saying heavy weights are needed to obtain a pro physique but ramy is young and is already done lifting free weights? WTF. If Ramy tried benching 500 lbs for reps on the incline like Kai. Ramy would get the weight stuck on his chest and start yelling in arabic-HELP- HELP-KAI HELP! guy HELP!I KNOW I SHOULD OF STUCK WITH MACHINE,FUCK,PLEASE HELP, I HAVE POCKET BREAD AS REWARD!!!!!
what a stupid comment..even for getbig
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ramy's biggest problem is that he is arabic and can't speak english, and sell snake oil to american youth like philsulina.
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what a stupid comment..even for getbig
yeh, im pretty surprised by such a moronic post by a mod of the steroid boards........
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what a stupid comment..even for getbig
I guess Ramy better head for the free weight section after reading this. His current routine obviously is not working at all :)
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Overrated after just one professional contest? ...lol ......Rami will be in the mix (top 5) if the judges do their jobs
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Mcgoughs a fat british schmoe in love with Dorian, who helped Dorian win the O
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Am i the only one here who smells racism in this article.whole white lobby trying their best to bring this guy down.giving him anything less what he deserve at olympia will not be tolerated this time.i smell big law suit against ifbb if that happened...may be its just my nose....
I see the concern here, however don't think this represents the IFBB, absolutely not, RAMY is a FLEX mag guy and the IFBB wants to put him up there.
This is only ''one white mans opinion" ;D .... maybe just a tactic to stir up the waters, believe you me RAMY will place well.
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Mr.O isn't just about "the biggest or best physique on stage that day".
It's about the best overall representative of the sport!!
Then how does Kai even sniff the top 6? There will be a shit-storm of bad publicity if Kai wins it. (Not that I care -- I think the best physique should win regardless of other factors.)
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Overrated - HOW? Was he supposed to place less than 1st at NY pro? No! So he got what he deserved. A fair placing. Other than that, he has no placings at pro contest that would be considered "gifts".
Expectations for his next placing may be too high but he can not be over rated by using any logic. This is a fat f*** called Peter McGough being racist. If Ramy was caucasian, blonde haired Gunter lookalike from California, Peter would take out his lube and box of tissues instead.
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its well known in the industry Mcgough is a fat british homosexual schmoe with a beard wife, ala blechman
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if I had to 'choose' to have the physique of one bber, past of present, i'd take Ramy's.. i'd take it over Dennis Wolf, as well as Dorian and Ronnie... well, maybe Ronnie in '03, maybe...
but Ramy's 'weaknesses' are far less 'weak' than Phil Health's were 3-4 years ago.
Ramy's quads/legs are better than phils (and so are a lot of guys... i'd even venture to say Toney Freeman's legs are better than Phils)
Ronnie had shitty calves... dex had shitty calves. Even flex before he filled them with oil..... hell, non-white bbers with good calves are rare (except Aaron Baker and Vince Taylor, and Paul dillett... although Paul's half-white)... even Chris Cormier's calves aren't great, and he was one of the (if not THE) most solidly muscled & legitimately-built black bbers in the sport in the past 20 years. (actual, dense, 'real' muscle earned in the gym and not filled with oil.... save for his medial delts)
most of us here are bodybuilders, and i'd hope the judges are bbers as well... and we ALL should know that calves are largely genetic, and Ramy's seem to be about as 'developed' as his genes will allow. i'd guess he could MAYBE improve them another 5-10%, but even then, they'd still suck..... same with Ruhl's triceps, but then again, if Mr. O's placings were weighted heavily on calve development, Mike Mattarazo would've been top 3.
his delts have oil, so what... so are A LOT of guys delts... but his delts hold the oil very well, unlike A LOT of guys. (ruhl, Nasser, paco, dillett, cormier, ect... claude groulx's delts held oil well, as well as flex's delts held oil very well as well, except when he fucked up in his rear delts for a while)
I agree with much of what you say.
Ramy will place 4th.
PS: I don't believe he has synthol in his delts. Of course he site injects them like every pro, but he just has some massive delts anyways.
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I agree with much of what you say.
Ramy will place 4th.
PS: I don't believe he has synthol in his delts. Of course he site injects them like every pro, but he just has some massive delts anyways.
I must have over looked ESFITNESS POSTS HERE, BUT YOU BUMPED IT UP, GOOD READ.
I had my dispute with ESFITNESS but after reading some his posts he knows his shit inside and out, some of what he writes can only be known through hands on experince.
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If Ramy was caucasian, blonde haired Gunter lookalike from California, Peter would take out his lube and box of tissues instead.
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And i havent seen many on the bigger bb forums that say he will win the O so whats the deal with callong hin overrated, most that predict he will do good predicts a 3 or 4th place and i wouldnt call that overrating cause he is so good that he has a chance for that.
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Overrated - HOW? Was he supposed to place less than 1st at NY pro? No! So he got what he deserved. A fair placing. Other than that, he has no placings at pro contest that would be considered "gifts".
Expectations for his next placing may be too high but he can not be over rated by using any logic. This is a fat f*** called Peter McGough being racist. If Ramy was caucasian, blonde haired Gunter lookalike from California, Peter would take out his lube and box of tissues instead.
A young Gunter lookalike would lose to Ramy...you obviously have forgotten what Gunter used to look like...Odd wide waist, lack of detail in back...but he did have dense, real, striated muscle, though.
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I must have over looked ESFITNESS POSTS HERE, BUT YOU BUMPED IT UP, GOOD READ.
I had my dispute with ESFITNESS but after reading some his posts he knows his shit inside and out, some of what he writes can only be known through hands on experince.
ESFitness is extremely opinionated and is a hot headed son of a bitch, but is vouch for him as being one of the most experienced knowledgeable guys here. Hes a Good guy and very helpful, just watch out when he's slamming the Tren 8)
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Everything he said was right.
Victor wasn't at his best and almost beat Ramy, definitely had far better finish to his physique. Ramy might just need a few more years but hopefully doesn't fuck things up.
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One thing for sure, there are going to be some really pissed off people after this years Olympia one way or another. Between, Phil, Kai, Jay and Ramy. lolol.
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A young Gunter lookalike would lose to Ramy...you obviously have forgotten what Gunter used to look like...Odd wide waist, lack of detail in back...but he did have dense, real, striated muscle, though.
I'm referring to Gunter's marketable caucasian / blonde look. Not his physique.
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ramy is overrated due to the fact that the industry needs a new face at the top.
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I see the concern here, however don't think this represents the IFBB, absolutely not, RAMY is a FLEX mag guy and the IFBB wants to put him up there.
This is only ''one white mans opinion" ;D .... maybe just a tactic to stir up the waters, believe you me RAMY will place well.
The quote about McGough being in love with Dorian is the real reason he's making pre-emptive strikes and trying to tear him down before he really hits his stride.
He is afraid Ramy will be the next great Mr O and doesn't want yates legacy threatened, so he's attempting to plant seeds now and create a negative "book" on him. so fucking obvious.....LOLOL
and then he gives him some bullshit half-assed praise to close it out, so it's not blatant.
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Everything he said was right.
Victor wasn't at his best and almost beat Ramy, definitely had far better finish to his physique. Ramy might just need a few more years but hopefully doesn't fuck things up.
almost beat ramy? Where did you get that from. Everyone said ramy was so dominant no one had a chance. Look at the score card victor got 18 points and ramy 9 thats not almost winning
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The quote about McGough being in love with Dorian is the real reason he's making pre-emptive strikes and trying to tear him down before he really hits his stride.
He is afraid Ramy will be the next great Mr O and doesn't want yates legacy threatened, so he's attempting to plant seeds now and create a negative "book" on him. so fucking obvious.....LOLOL
and then he gives him some bullshit half-assed praise to close it out, so it's not blatant.
Going on over 20 years now and McGough is still firmly attached to Dorian's nutsack.
And don't you love how the other Dorian nutsucker Kevin Horton conveniently releases these amazing "found" pictures of Dorian every few months.
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almost beat ramy? Where did you get that from. Everyone said ramy was so dominant no one had a chance. Look at the score card victor got 18 points and ramy 9 thats not almost winning
Ramy got a 10 and Vic a 20 , Ramy won with straight firsts. Vic wasn't close
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ESFitness is extremely opinionated and is a hot headed son of a bitch, but is vouch for him as being one of the most experienced knowledgeable guys here. Hes a Good guy and very helpful, just watch out when he's slamming the Tren 8)
hahaha.... yea, that's pretty true. I do lose my temper. this is the internet, and in 'real life' ppl don't talk to me the way they talk to me on here. lol... so I respond poorly sometimes. ;D
thanks for the kind words though ;)
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I must have over looked ESFITNESS POSTS HERE, BUT YOU BUMPED IT UP, GOOD READ.
I had my dispute with ESFITNESS but after reading some his posts he knows his shit inside and out, some of what he writes can only be known through hands on experince.
no worries. thanks for the kind words.
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I'm glad you pointed that out. Cormier would spent his money on a bag of weed before he bothered with oil. In his case the oil probably would have helped him win the Arnold at least once, since it would have filled out his lacking parts like Flex.
times two dude. chris cormier was an amazing bodybuilder... his physique was pure perfection
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I see the concern here, however don't think this represents the IFBB, absolutely not, RAMY is a FLEX mag guy and the IFBB wants to put him up there.
This is only ''one white mans opinion" ;D .... maybe just a tactic to stir up the waters, believe you me RAMY will place well.
you think its one man,s opinion i think its whole propaganda factory working 24/7 behind this white douchbag.they are building an excuse to fuck him up.soon u will see shawn ray crawl out his hole and follow him.
looks like pre emptive strikes to hold an arab back.i personaly dont think rami can break top 3 specially after recent pics of jay but rami is strong contender and have the size to intimidate the whole line up.he can win Mr olympia in near future thats the main concern.
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you think its one man,s opinion i think its whole propaganda factory working 24/7 behind this white douchbag.they are building an excuse to fuck him up.soon u will see shawn ray crawl out his hole and follow him.
looks like pre emptive strikes to hold an arab back.i personaly dont think rami can break top 3 specially after recent pics of jay but rami is strong contender and have the size to intimidate the whole line up.he can win Mr olympia in near future thats the main concern.
quit getting your knickers in a bunch...the dude won a contest, and much hype is about him,
Just another person of African descent competing...
And just another big man with big hype. Maybe you want to go look at when Federov came on the scene. Much was said and dismissed about him.
Plus, if anything, the powers that be want the Arab money to come in, Ramy and his hype is good for business...
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quit getting your knickers in a bunch...the dude won a contest, and much hype is about him,
Just another person of African descent competing...
And just another big man with big hype. Maybe you want to go look at when Federov came on the scene. Much was said and dismissed about him.
Plus, if anything, the powers that be want the Arab money to come in, Ramy and his hype is good for business...
Seeing Wolf was a complete wash you think all the Wolf nutt-huggers are now clinging on for dear life to Ramys? ;D
I like your theory of he's just another big man going no where , be prepared for a LOT of crying after his placement lol Although he did win a pro show right off that back not many people have done that.
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you think its one man,s opinion i think its whole propaganda factory working 24/7 behind this white douchbag.they are building an excuse to fuck him up.soon u will see shawn ray crawl out his hole and follow him.
looks like pre emptive strikes to hold an arab back.i personaly dont think rami can break top 3 specially after recent pics of jay but rami is strong contender and have the size to intimidate the whole line up.he can win Mr olympia in near future thats the main concern.
your assumptions are not true, FLEX MEGAZINE WAS THE FIRST TO SIGN RAMY TO A GOOD CONTRACT AND GAVE HIM TONS OF EXPOSURE, more importantly they did this before his pro debut and had him as the favorite going into NEW YORK. Why on earth would they do this to fuck him at the OLYMPIA like you are suggesting? obviously not, they are just stirring up controversy as a promotional strategy, no conspiracy here, the only thing that is against him is winning the OLYMPIA maybe because he does not speak ENGLISH
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why not add some width with synthol directly in the calves?
it has to be done properly though
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I think he oils his delts...but it is done very well. Regardless. I feel the same about Ramy as I do Jay...it's like people aren't LOOKING at their physiques. Just repeating what they heard. .. or they think sounds like inside info.
The guy is fucking HUGE ...beyond huge. And he's pretty damn complete. And for a guy that size has EXCELLENT lines. Hes like Nasser with better genetics and a back. Calves suck balls. Nobodies perfect. He's going to be around for a while at the very top.
This is what I SEE...I don't give a fuck about what some idiot in a mag said...or the general consensus.
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I think he oils his delts...but it is done very well. Regardless. I feel the same about Ramy as I do Jay...it's like people aren't LOOKING at their physiques. Just repeating what they heard. .. or they think sounds like inside info.
The guy is fucking HUGE ...beyond huge. And he's pretty damn complete. And for a guy that size has EXCELLENT lines. Hes like Nasser with better genetics and a back. Calves suck balls. Nobodies perfect. He's going to be around for a while at the very top.
This is what I SEE...I don't give a fuck about what some idiot in a mag said...or the general consensus.
CONSIDER THIS GROINK.........
My friend is 270 with abs at 6'foot, not a pretty physique by any means but 22 inch arms and is a monster, now he never uses long esters, ever because he hates being bloated with water. SO HIS TEST PROP ALONE A WEEK 2800MG, HE TAKES 4 SHOTS PER DAY, THEN HIS NPP AT 100MG PER SHOT IS 1400MG, THE TREN AT 700MG AND PRIMO AT 700MG PER WEEK AND THERE IS MORE YET....
BUT WITH ONLY WHAT I MENTIONED ADDS UP TO 56 CC'S OF OIL WEEKLY AND HE ONLY PINS HIS DELTS AND GLUTES AND HIS DELTS LOOK SMOOTH AND SYNTHOLISH EVEN THOUGH HE HAS NEVER DONE SYNTHOL, SO RAMY'S DELTS MAY JUST BE FROM PINNING 40CC'S IN EACH DELT OF AAS PER WEEK AND NOT SYNTHOL
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I predict 7th or 8th place for Rami
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I predict 7th or 8th place for Rami
No way he goes that low Van.
3rd to 6th ....solid debut.
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Seeing Wolf was a complete wash you think all the Wolf nutt-huggers are now clinging on for dear life to Ramys? ;D
I like your theory of he's just another big man going no where , be prepared for a LOT of crying after his placement lol Although he did win a pro show right off that back not many people have done that.
Take a look at all the Mr. O's from Haney, and one can eve throw in Arnold...this tends to go hand in hand with dominant multiple Mr. O winners. Arnold had Ferrigno to dispatch...Haney had Mike Christian. Dorian had Dillett, and Nasser, but Dillett was billed as Freakenstein. Ronnie had Ruhl, Gunter, Federov. Jay and Phil had Wolf. All these guys were huge men, that had the "freak factor", but when you broke the down, they were missing the completeness, the polish. Their calling card was their freakish size and or body parts.
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Take a look at all the Mr. O's from Haney, and one can eve throw in Arnold...this tends to go hand in hand with dominant multiple Mr. O winners. Arnold had Ferrigno to dispatch...Haney had Mike Christian. Dorian had Dillett, and Nasser, but Dillett was billed as Freakenstein. Ronnie had Ruhl, Gunter, Federov. Jay and Phil had Wolf. All these guys were huge men, that had the "freak factor", but when you broke the down, they were missing the completeness, the polish. Their calling card was their freakish size and or body parts.
Besides weak calves... which are more a functIon of gigantic quads... what exactly does Ramy not have ?
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If he makes the top 5 !
Yes it the Olympia-- how many made the top 5 on their first Mr O?
Come on ramy' fan be real. The guy lacks muscle maturity . He may become mr Olympia
But not this year and certainly not working with Dennis " da menece " James .
Good luck big R , he have enough meat but needs to improve the quality.. ;)
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Besides weak calves... which are more a functIon of gigantic quads... what exactly does Ramy not have ?
quads are separated, just big. Remind of Milos' project, Mustafa.
Lower mid back detail...plus, traps. One notices this when he is shirted and onstage, which is why he looks so wide. Large traps make one look narrow.
I disagree with you on the delts. I think they look like bee stings (to borrow what Shawn Ray had said about Flex's delts back in 2000). Chest is a bit shallow for someone so big.
Great abs...
On his calves...his calves seem high from the front, and low from the back. I speculate that if he competed during the 90s, he would have some good calves, a la Nasser...I just see him as lacking polish. The parts are there, but detailed, thickness, and maturity for his size is not.
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quads are separated, just big. Remind of Milos' project, Mustafa.
Lower mid back detail...plus, traps. One notices this when he is shirted and onstage, which is why he looks so wide. Large traps make one look narrow.
I disagree with you on the delts. I think they look like bee stings (to borrow what Shawn Ray had said about Flex's delts back in 2000). Chest is a bit shallow for someone so big.
Great abs...
On his calves...his calves seem high from the front, and low from the back. I speculate that if he competed during the 90s, he would have some good calves, a la Nasser...I just see him as lacking polish. The parts are there, but detailed, thickness, and maturity for his size is not.
You seem to have a hangup with traps. Seriously. .... even implying that Ramy looks narrow because of big traps is ludicrous. He's ridiculously wide.
Everything else is things I consider abstract..muscle maturity, detail. They are a function of leaness and dryness.....contest prep.
You see 22 year old nattys that are very detailed because they are dry as a bone. If Ramy comes in shredded he will have all of those things. Shawn Ray was "matured" at 19 years old.
I'm not saying he's going to win. .. or be a Mr Olympia...but he has the tools.. the physique is there.
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You seem to have a hangup with traps. Seriously. .... even implying that Ramy looks narrow because of big traps is ludicrous. He's ridiculously wide.
Everything else is things I consider abstract..muscle maturity, detail. They are a function of leaness and dryness.....contest prep.
You see 22 year old nattys that are very detailed because they are dry as a bone. If Ramy comes in shredded he will have all of those things. Shawn Ray was "matured" at 19 years old.
I'm not saying he's going to win. .. or be a Mr Olympia...but he has the tools.. the physique is there.
Because I believe that big traps can give the illusion that one is narrow, and a person who is already narrow can look even more so. I looked like a damn arrow, with sloped shoulders. Less trap work, I looked wider, when I was not.
I believe it was Melvin Anthony that pointed this out. And I think Ramy with huge traps would visually take away from his width.
And Shawn ray was competing since he 16-17 yrs old, when he won his Pro card at 21 (?), he had 5 yrs of work put in...plus, I think he had good genetics for that "mature" look.
You are correct about the detail assessment, but many of those 22 yr olds don't have that dense forest of detail, like Dorian, Ronnie, Flex, Munzer, even Federov to an extent.
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The traps argument only applies according to ones insertions. Example: Levrone's traps vs Centopanni's traps.
Even then, I'm still not too sold on the argument. It's all about clavicle to hip ratios in my opinion.
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The traps argument only applies according to ones insertions. Example: Levrone's traps vs Centopanni's traps.
Even then, I'm still not too sold on the argument. It's all about clavicle to hip ratios in my opinion.
My traps are quite developed. .I don't think they make me look narrow. I want high traps and a muscular neck... it's a key visual point that makess you look powerful
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4th place
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My traps are quite developed. .I don't think they make me look narrow. I want high traps and a muscular neck... it's a key visual point that makess you look powerful
Agreed man, I don't really get that argument.
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My traps are quite developed. .I don't think they make me look narrow. I want high traps and a muscular neck... it's a key visual point that makess you look powerful
If you had less traps, it would visually make you wider...a horizontal line looks "longer" than one that start horizontal and curves upwards/vertically.
Yes, it does make one look powerful. A thick neck/shoulders (yoke) can be seen in a reg t shirt or dress shirt.
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If you had less traps, it would visually make you wider...a horizontal line looks "longer" than one that start horizontal and curves upwards/vertically.
Yes, it does make one look powerful. A thick neck/shoulders (yoke) can be seen in a reg t shirt or dress shirt.
Yes but it's not all about how wide you appear...unless You are narrow and trying to create an illusion. Width, thickness...balanced development. Blah blah.....LOL
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Ramy got a 10 and Vic a 20 , Ramy won with straight firsts. Vic wasn't close
it was from this i got the number 9 for ramy
http://s23.postimg.org/9y7oop1mj/scorecard_menbb.gif
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Because I believe that big traps can give the illusion that one is narrow, and a person who is already narrow can look even more so. I looked like a damn arrow, with sloped shoulders. Less trap work, I looked wider, when I was not.
I believe it was Melvin Anthony that pointed this out. And I think Ramy with huge traps would visually take away from his width.
And Shawn ray was competing since he 16-17 yrs old, when he won his Pro card at 21 (?), he had 5 yrs of work put in...plus, I think he had good genetics for that "mature" look.
You are correct about the detail assessment, but many of those 22 yr olds don't have that dense forest of detail, like Dorian, Ronnie, Flex, Munzer, even Federov to an extent.
dorian and the others took way more steroids than a 22 year old that gives thwt grainy rockhsrd look
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Agreed man, I don't really get that argument.
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yeah with bigger traps he would still lool so much wider than the rest when he is standing besides them when he is competing
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yeah with bigger traps he would still lool so much wider than the rest when he is standing besides them when he is competing
I get where Parker is coming from. But if you aren't on the narrow side it's irrelevant. Big traps are an asset.
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big everything is an asset... 2013 and people still buy into the 'sculpt the body' bullshit schumcle joe was trying to sell 50yrs ago
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I get where Parker is coming from. But if you aren't on the narrow side it's irrelevant. Big traps are an asset.
yeah me to but it wont change a thing when he stands on the stage besides as you say he will look more power full
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Sherief Where are you? ;D ;)
Factor Four: The Devil’s In The Details In my opinion Ramy wasn’t 100 per cent dialed in in New York He wasn’t bone dry which made him unable to exhibit rock hard muscle: It seemed there was a slight blurriness caused by a thin film of water. We didn’t see the sort of detail that is needed for a top six Olympia spot. Some pundits are of the opinion that if Ramy drops ten pounds then look out Phil Heath. On the other hand dropping ten pounds won’t give him more back thickness, better calves and hams and cross striations in his thighs. It may be that Heathlike detail is not there to be mined out. Like most factors in bodybuilding the bottom line is genetics: you either have that feathery type detail embedded in the muscles or you don’t. Training another few years will enable muscle maturity to kick in and improve separation, but it won’t unearth crazy detail if it’s not inherent in the genes. To defeat a Mr. Olympia history proves you have to beat him at his own game or wait for his decline. Phil’s Heath game is packing his physique with more detail than we’ve seen before: He’s the Devil with the details everyone else has to get past. In viewing the top four at last year’s Olympia (in order Phil Heath, Kai Greene, Shawn Rhoden, Dexter Jackson) they all would appear to have Ramy beaten in the detail department.
as i said you repeat what the "experts" of the magazines say without thinking.. this mccough is an asshole to see that ramy needs more years of training to mature his mucsles and define them ::).. ramy only needs a better diet plan before the contest to improve his already good condition and reach the level of SOME other top pros who are better than him in condition but worse than him in many other things like size and shape..
ramy's lack of clear flaws makes haters concentrate on whatever weak points he has and show them as the most important thing to win.. now after ramy appeared big calves have become very important and a must.. anderias munzer condition has become a must to be mr. olympia ::)... well in ronnie's era he was off in certain years years and lacked some necessary details and no one really complained.. he had no calves at all and no one talked about them seriously.. because it was not an important muscle then lol..
ramy has it all to become the next big dominant champ and this is against a lot of fans wish so mr. mccough the big expert is trying to prepare the ppl that ramy wont take the top place that he deserves.. that's how i see it..
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BIG RAMY TOP 3
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quit getting your knickers in a bunch...the dude won a contest, and much hype is about him,
Just another person of African descent competing...
And just another big man with big hype. Maybe you want to go look at when Federov came on the scene. Much was said and dismissed about him.
Plus, if anything, the powers that be want the Arab money to come in, Ramy and his hype is good for business...
you really cant compare Rami with any one in the history of bodybuilding let alone Federov.the only guy i can imagine to compare with Rami would be Math Mendenhall.there is difference between making the splash in pro circuit or actually having the true potential to win it.Matt did not wind up well too bad for bodybuilding let see where Rami end up.
big guys in power are not stupid they will take full advantage of his hype around the world specially in mid-east to sell their Mags and supp crap to kids while making sure to build enough excuse through douches like Peter to keep him from winning the Olympia...one thing people love more than a hero is to see hero fail fall die tryiing...
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you really cant compare Rami with any one in the history of bodybuilding let alone Federov.the only guy i can imagine to compare with Rami would be Math Mendenhall.there is difference between making the splash in pro circuit or actually having the true potential to win it.Matt did not wind up well too bad for bodybuilding let see where Rami end up.
big guys in power are not stupid they will take full advantage of his hype around the world specially in mid-east to sell their Mags and supp crap to kids while making sure to build enough excuse through douches like Peter to keep him from winning the Olympia...one thing people love more than a hero is to see hero fail fall die tryiing...
Well, you are wrong...Ramy is the latest in a long line of Big Men. Genetically, in terms of shape, he is not better than Dillett, and from the front Dillett is better. Ramy's back is better than Dillett's.
Gunter and Ruhl are next up, both monsterous, but with flaws. Gunter's shape was odd, with a wide waist, good back detail, arms, calves. I said before that Ramy would beat him, but I as I think now, it maybe a toss up---it depends on what judge Gunter smiles at the most!
Ruhl--the same rub on Ruhl as Ramy. Suspect delts. But Ruhl was freaky everywhere else and had better presence. Except he lacked triceps that balanced out his biceps.
Next up would be Fux (going backwards a little). Minus Fux's big belly, he had what Ramy didn't have, polish, and presence. Next up, Marko...I have Marko beating Ramy as well. Then Federov, a toss up, but Federov had that back asymmetry and a effed up chest.
Another guy who is not mentioned, Toney Freeman, Toney Freeman at his best would beat Ramy. Better genetics, and has great poise, and presence for a big man.
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What do you mean with better polish parker?
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as i said you repeat what the "experts" of the magazines say without thinking.. this mccough is an asshole to see that ramy needs more years of training to mature his mucsles and define them ::).. ramy only needs a better diet plan before the contest to improve his already good condition and reach the level of SOME other top pros who are better than him in condition but worse than him in many other things like size and shape..
ramy's lack of clear flaws makes haters concentrate on whatever weak points he has and show them as the most important thing to win.. now after ramy appeared big calves have become very important and a must.. anderias munzer condition has become a must to be mr. olympia ::)... well in ronnie's era he was off in certain years years and lacked some necessary details and no one really complained.. he had no calves at all and no one talked about them seriously.. because it was not an important muscle then lol..
ramy has it all to become the next big dominant champ and this is against a lot of fans wish so mr. mccough the big expert is trying to prepare the ppl that ramy wont take the top place that he deserves.. that's how i see it..
as i said you repeat what the "experts" of the magazines say without thinking.. this mccough is an asshole to see that ramy needs more years of training to mature his mucsles and define them ::).. ramy only needs a better diet plan before the contest to improve his already good condition and reach the level of SOME other top pros who are better than him in condition but worse than him in many other things like size and shape..
I didn't repeat shit from any magazine. In fact I said this before McGough ever did and it's just sweet to have what I did say confirmed by one of the best in the business 8) This proves one of us knows what they are talking about and the other doesn't ;)
Ramy's problem isn't conditioning , it just isn't. It's the fact he's a ' natural ' and gained so much size so quickly. He's a diamond in the rough and needs to be polished into the final product. The reason he may not have the ' muscle maturity ' is probably because he only focused on getting huge and concentrated on power movements and mass building.
ramy's lack of clear flaws makes haters concentrate on whatever weak points he has and show them as the most important thing to win.. now after ramy appeared big calves have become very important and a must.. anderias munzer condition has become a must to be mr. olympia ::)... well in ronnie's era he was off in certain years years and lacked some necessary details and no one really complained.. he had no calves at all and no one talked about them seriously.. because it was not an important muscle then lol..
Ramy has flaws you can't see them because you would have to take your head out of his ass. It's ironic I said what was exactly wrong with Ramy and McGough confirmed almost everything I said lol :D after the fact too that's the best part.
And you can't compare Ramy to Ronnie because Ronnie had so much more to offer so his calves were bypassed. Ramy has a lot of rough size and has a small waist he has a lot of improvement he needs to do because he can become a threat.
ramy has it all to become the next big dominant champ and this is against a lot of fans wish so mr. mccough the big expert is trying to prepare the ppl that ramy wont take the top place that he deserves.. that's how i see it..
Of course you see it this way , because 1) you're emotionally invested in Ramy because he's Arab 2) because as usual you don't know what you're talking about. You remind me of all these morons who kept screaming about how Wolf was the next big thing and he was Mr Olympia and he was robbed. It's clueless people like you who are always offering up excuses for when your hero loses and it's usually in the form of conspiracy theories
I will say this Ramy does have the potential to be a legit threat to Heath if he works on his MUSCLE MATURITY on refining his physique. systematically working on all of his apparent flaws until they are no longer there or he can try and pose around them. I know why you're excited about him he's a genetic lottery winner for sure but this sport is littered with people with exceptional genetics who never managed to do anything with them.
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What do you mean with better polish parker?
The oils used to shine them up!
Polish as in their over all look, including presentation...the 90s to early 2000s competitors had a different look. Better separation and muscle quality...it's like a real Ferrari vs a kit car, the kit car seems "off". And some are good and fool people, but if you know what to look for, you can see it. The devil is in the details.
Also, look who their standard was. Dorian and Ronnie Coleman. You have to beat the standard in order to BE the standard.
For instance, Flex Wheeler as a Rookie had better polish to him than his carbon copy Melvin Anthony, when he was a rookie. And Phil Heath had better polish to him as a Rookie than Richard Jones or Ramy did as rookies.
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The oils used to shine them up!
Polish as in their over all look, including presentation...the 90s to early 2000s competitors had a different look. Better separation and muscle quality...it's like a real Ferrari vs a kit car, the kit car seems "off". And some are good and fool people, but if you know what to look for, you can see it. The devil is in the details.
Also, look who their standard was. Dorian and Ronnie Coleman. You have to beat the standard in order to BE the standard.
For instance, Flex Wheeler as a Rookie had better polish to him than his carbon copy Melvin Anthony, when he was a rookie. And Phil Heath had better polish to him as a Rookie than Richard Jones or Ramy did as rookies.
aah ok now i understand what you mean makes sense
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people here talking about detail are not understanding the full picture here. One of the biggest critique we have on the judges is that they are rewarding sheer size and conditioning over aesthetics and details, while that may be true, it may not be intentional.
The judges reward what they see and at 13 rows back how can they see aesthetics? they can not (at least not as much) they will see dimensions and proportions, a 300lb man with a small waist, wide shoulders and flaring quad sweep is in the utter most favor of the judges due to where they are sitting, nearly 50 feet away, Ramy benefits over everyone
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I didn't repeat shit from any magazine. In fact I said this before McGough ever did and it's just sweet to have what I did say confirmed by one of the best in the business 8) This proves one of us knows what they are talking about and the other doesn't ;)
Ramy's problem isn't conditioning , it just isn't. It's the fact he's a ' natural ' and gained so much size so quickly. He's a diamond in the rough and needs to be polished into the final product. The reason he may not have the ' muscle maturity ' is probably because he only focused on getting huge and concentrated on power movements and mass building.
Ramy has flaws you can't see them because you would have to take your head out of his ass. It's ironic I said what was exactly wrong with Ramy and McGough confirmed almost everything I said lol :D after the fact too that's the best part.
And you can't compare Ramy to Ronnie because Ronnie had so much more to offer so his calves were bypassed. Ramy has a lot of rough size and has a small waist he has a lot of improvement he needs to do because he can become a threat.
Of course you see it this way , because 1) you're emotionally invested in Ramy because he's Arab 2) because as usual you don't know what you're talking about. You remind me of all these morons who kept screaming about how Wolf was the next big thing and he was Mr Olympia and he was robbed. It's clueless people like you who are always offering up excuses for when your hero loses and it's usually in the form of conspiracy theories
I will say this Ramy does have the potential to be a legit threat to Heath if he works on his MUSCLE MATURITY on refining his physique. systematically working on all of his apparent flaws until they are no longer there or he can try and pose around them. I know why you're excited about him he's a genetic lottery winner for sure but this sport is littered with people with exceptional genetics who never managed to do anything with them.
Ha ha ha... what a load of shit.
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people here talking about detail are not understanding the full picture here. One of the biggest critique we have on the judges is that they are rewarding sheer size and conditioning over aesthetics and details, while that may be true, it may not be intentional.
The judges reward what they see and at 13 rows back how can they see aesthetics? they can not (at least not as much) they will see dimensions and proportions, a 300lb man with a small waist, wide shoulders and flaring quad sweep is in the utter most favor of the judges due to where they are sitting, nearly 50 feet away, Ramy benefits over everyone
Ahh, we don't like today's judges. We don't like like people don't think for themselves. We dont like people who JUSTIFY their poor decisions. We don't like people with this mentality because people of said ilk have ruined bodybuilding. In short, people of said ilk should be crucified upside down and used as urinals for the likes of Derrick Anthony.
If any of you judges had any testicular fortitude you'd stick to the "rules" that are set down, and never deviate from that. And if certain judges do, then they should be punished---either sanctioned or lose their judging priviledge
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Ahh, we don't like today's judges. We don't like like people don't think for themselves. We dont like people who JUSTIFY their poor decisions. We don't like people with this mentality because people of said ilk have ruined bodybuilding. In short, people of said ilk should be crucified upside down and used as urinals for the likes of Derrick Anthony.
If any of you judges had any testicular fortitude you'd stick to the "rules" that are set down, and never deviate from that. And if certain judges do, then they should be punished---either sanctioned or lose their judging priviledge
this is not the way the world turns, criteria's are written and then they evolve or maybe in this case they devolve but either way times change and for what ever reason the directions change as well.
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this is not the way the world turns, criteria's are written and then they evolve or maybe in this case they devolve but either way times change and for what ever reason the directions change as well.
Then why have a criteria? Or is this what you would call covering your bases?
Tis the reason why America is going down the shitter, and bodybuilding is a prime example of such.
Quality control...
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Then why have a criteria? Or is this what you would call covering your bases?
Tis the reason why America is going down the shitter, and bodybuilding is a prime example of such.
Quality control...
hey, on this one I agree with you :)
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I didn't repeat shit from any magazine. In fact I said this before McGough ever did and it's just sweet to have what I did say confirmed by one of the best in the business 8) This proves one of us knows what they are talking about and the other doesn't ;)
Ramy's problem isn't conditioning , it just isn't. It's the fact he's a ' natural ' and gained so much size so quickly. He's a diamond in the rough and needs to be polished into the final product. The reason he may not have the ' muscle maturity ' is probably because he only focused on getting huge and concentrated on power movements and mass building.
Ramy has flaws you can't see them because you would have to take your head out of his ass. It's ironic I said what was exactly wrong with Ramy and McGough confirmed almost everything I said lol :D after the fact too that's the best part.
And you can't compare Ramy to Ronnie because Ronnie had so much more to offer so his calves were bypassed. Ramy has a lot of rough size and has a small waist he has a lot of improvement he needs to do because he can become a threat.
Of course you see it this way , because 1) you're emotionally invested in Ramy because he's Arab 2) because as usual you don't know what you're talking about. You remind me of all these morons who kept screaming about how Wolf was the next big thing and he was Mr Olympia and he was robbed. It's clueless people like you who are always offering up excuses for when your hero loses and it's usually in the form of conspiracy theories
I will say this Ramy does have the potential to be a legit threat to Heath if he works on his MUSCLE MATURITY on refining his physique. systematically working on all of his apparent flaws until they are no longer there or he can try and pose around them. I know why you're excited about him he's a genetic lottery winner for sure but this sport is littered with people with exceptional genetics who never managed to do anything with them.
How does one "work" on their "muscle maturity"? Are there certain exercises or rep scheme that will mature your muscles? Any special diet or particular foods that will mature your muscles?
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There's no such thing as muscle maturity. There's only more muscle, less muscle, more water, less water, more fat, less fat. That's it.
You cannot pinpoint to any biological characteristic of "mature" muscle because there is none.
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There's no such thing as muscle maturity. There's only more muscle, less muscle, more water, less water, more fat, less fat. That's it.
You cannot pinpoint to any biological characteristic of "mature" muscle because there is none.
http://www.warriorfx.com/2008/09/what-is-muscle-maturity/ (http://www.warriorfx.com/2008/09/what-is-muscle-maturity/)
For some reason, I remember hearing about a study that stated that humans muscles tended to reach maturation in the late 30s to mid 40s. I cannot find it, it was on some news station.
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How does one "work" on their "muscle maturity"? Are there certain exercises or rep scheme that will mature your muscles? Any special diet or particular foods that will mature your muscles?
It's not an aging process it's an appearance of the muscles . Like when Arnold first came to the U.S. he was huge but unrefined and he started to focus more to refine his physique
Guys like Shawn Ray had fantastic ' muscle maturity ' despite being 20 it's an appearance , it looked like he'd been bodybuilding for decades when in fact he wasn't
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There's no such thing as muscle maturity. There's only more muscle, less muscle, more water, less water, more fat, less fat. That's it.
You cannot pinpoint to any biological characteristic of "mature" muscle because there is none.
Not accurate , strip that Arnold down via less water and fat and his muscles wouldn't look the same when he was older because they wouldn't have been developed & refined.
Like I said building size obviously for Ramy came easily and when it does you tend to forget on refining the physique and concentrate on power/building movements and gaining as much size as you can. Ramy was contest condition and yet some of his muscles aren't visible , why? it's not because he's still holding more water or fat it's because they haven't been fully developed. Refined.
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Not accurate , strip that Arnold down via less water and fat and his muscles wouldn't look the same when he was older because they wouldn't have been developed & refined.
Like I said building size obviously for Ramy came easily and when it does you tend to forget on refining the physique and concentrate on power/building movements and gaining as much size as you can. Ramy was contest condition and yet some of his muscles aren't visible , why? it's not because he's still holding more water or fat it's because they haven't been fully developed. Refined.
ha ha ha ha ha. That's funny
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Not accurate , strip that Arnold down via less water and fat and his muscles wouldn't look the same when he was older because they wouldn't have been developed & refined.
Like I said building size obviously for Ramy came easily and when it does you tend to forget on refining the physique and concentrate on power/building movements and gaining as much size as you can. Ramy was contest condition and yet some of his muscles aren't visible , why? it's not because he's still holding more water or fat it's because they haven't been fully developed. Refined.
Ok, so how do you train for "muscle maturity" then? Does it differ from trying to add lean muscle size ??? Or is it just something that just comes with age and produces a different look for the muscles?
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So how do you train for "muscle maturity"? Does it differ from trying to add lean muscle size ???
Wait until you are in your 40s, and then say "I'm mature."
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Wait until you are in your 40s, and then say "I'm mature."
Haha.
Well, I can buy the concept that aged muscle tissue tend to look different than young muscle tissue. But I don't think it's just the muscle shape that gives that look. So I don't think it's highly relevant in comparisons.
Furthermore, I do not think that aged muscle look better in than young muscle. That term is just something that is being thrown out there by industry people and parroted.
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So how do you train for "muscle maturity"? Does it differ from trying to add lean muscle size ???
More specialty work , higher reps , cables , machines , working the muscle from different angles to make sure that the muscle gets maximum development not just size.
Ramy has the size he needs to refine his physique
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Wait until you are in your 40s, and then say "I'm mature."
Looks like I'm there then lol ;D
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So immature looking. Practically a kid.
(http://forums.musculardevelopment.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=305670&d=1378217882&thumb=1)
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The opinion of someone who has a personal and vested interest on someone like Ramy.
http://forums.musculardevelopment.com/showthread.php/139540-Overrated/page3
Dude looked like he was two weight classes up from everyone else! And people bitch about his condition/"lack of polish" but I thought that even next to a very conditioned and well polished Victor Martinez, he looked damn good! He's definitely for real.
And LOL at everyone getting pissed at DNutz...saw that coming!
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ha ha ha ha ha. That's funny
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More specialty work , higher reps , cables , machines , working the muscle from different angles to make sure that the muscle gets maximum development not just size.
Ramy has the size he needs to refine his physique
LOL
how full of shit can you get ::)
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"Muscle maturity" is some made up bullshit.
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It's not an aging process it's an appearance of the muscles . Like when Arnold first came to the U.S. he was huge but unrefined and he started to focus more to refine his physique
Guys like Shawn Ray had fantastic ' muscle maturity ' despite being 20 it's an appearance , it looked like he'd been bodybuilding for decades when in fact he wasn't
ugly is right.you either build muscle, or loose fat. Arnold was on dbol,deca, and alot smoother than Ray was. Arnold's look changed later in his career because he got friendly with winny IMO
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It's not an aging process it's an appearance of the muscles . Like when Arnold first came to the U.S. he was huge but unrefined and he started to focus more to refine his physique
Guys like Shawn Ray had fantastic ' muscle maturity ' despite being 20 it's an appearance , it looked like he'd been bodybuilding for decades when in fact he wasn't
arnold was just incomplete when he first came as he was very young and some of his muscles needed some development which made his physique not proportioned.. then after few years of training he improved his weaker parts to be balanced.. but again this has nothing to do with maturity.. any donkey who lifts weights must keep adding size till a certain point then after this he can do nothing more but to keep this size.. some ppl reach their limit faster due to their better genetics..
all your stupid examples are of ppl when they were smaller then after reaching their size limit.. this is natural process as i am saying but again has nothing to do with the so called "muscle maturity"..
the only maturity i see is if you compared a 16-17 years old kid to his shape when he is 21-22.. because when he was 16-17 he was still naturally growing and still hasn't reached his maturity in everything not only muscles.. this explains why some guys like shawn ray couldn't change their physique dramatically after becoming 21 years old.. his great genetics made him reach his limit quickly then nothing else could be done..
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Quote from: NarcissisticDeity on Today at 03:56:31 PM
"More specialty work , higher reps , cables , machines , working the muscle from different angles to make sure that the muscle gets maximum development not just size.
Ramy has the size he needs to refine his physique"
What's the difference between a muscle "developing" and a muscle increasing in size?
For example, lets say you have a 16 inch arm at 6% bodyfat. How would that arm change after it's been "developed" yet still remain 16 inches?
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More specialty work , higher reps , cables , machines , working the muscle from different angles to make sure that the muscle gets maximum development not just size.
Ramy has the size he needs to refine his physique
so according to you mr. expert ND how dorian reached his maturity with his lower reps and basic exercises?? ::) ::) :-X booohahahhahaha...
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Well, you are wrong...Ramy is the latest in a long line of Big Men. Genetically, in terms of shape, he is not better than Dillett, and from the front Dillett is better. Ramy's back is better than Dillett's.
Gunter and Ruhl are next up, both monsterous, but with flaws. Gunter's shape was odd, with a wide waist, good back detail, arms, calves. I said before that Ramy would beat him, but I as I think now, it maybe a toss up---it depends on what judge Gunter smiles at the most!
Ruhl--the same rub on Ruhl as Ramy. Suspect delts. But Ruhl was freaky everywhere else and had better presence. Except he lacked triceps that balanced out his biceps.
Next up would be Fux (going backwards a little). Minus Fux's big belly, he had what Ramy didn't have, polish, and presence. Next up, Marko...I have Marko beating Ramy as well. Then Federov, a toss up, but Federov had that back asymmetry and a effed up chest.
Another guy who is not mentioned, Toney Freeman, Toney Freeman at his best would beat Ramy. Better genetics, and has great poise, and presence for a big man.
Dillet Mr no back could not even pose.Gunter is out of shape body parts put together.his whole physique is against body-building.he only survived because of his condition..fux could have been in the mix of true Olympia winning potential but he ruined his mid sections in pursuit of size.Rahul same gut problem on even more pathetic level..Marko and Federov are not even in the same league.they both look like some science project went wrong.i am surprize how you can even consider them in this mix.
Toney great physique with fine lines but not hold enough mass on this large frame to be a threat for top placings in olympia.all above mentioned guys are not even close to Matt and rami when it comes down to completeness.
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RAMY has fantastique muscle maturity, and he is GOOD LOOKING MUSLIM MALE!!!
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Dillet Mr no back could not even pose.Gunter is out of shape body parts put together.his whole physique is against body-building.he only survived because of his condition..fux could have been in the mix of true Olympia winning potential but he ruined his mid sections in pursuit of size.Rahul same gut problem on even more pathetic level..Marko and Federov are not even in the same league.they both look like some science project went wrong.i am surprize how you can even consider them in this mix.
Toney great physique with fine lines but not hold enough mass on this large frame to be a threat for top placings in olympia.all above mentioned guys are not even close to Matt and rami when it comes down to completeness.
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What did I say, Dillett from the front is a beast, genetically superior to Rami. He was missing a back though, and Rami would beat him on that...We all know about Dillett's posing. Marko had a good look, but was a flash in the pan Federov, how can have Marko and Federov in the same sentence as Ramy, well Marko and Federov were both compared to Ronnie in line ups, that is how. ..And Toney, has better genetics as well...if he was 15-20 yrs younger, he'd be a beast...he has better flow than Ramy and at 6'1 and I believe 280-290, he carry's his muscle well.
Rami is like a jumble of bodyparts. Mustafa's legs, Flex Wheeler's delts, and Wolf's calves...but we'll see in 5 days.
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skinny dweeb 'BodyBuilder' wannabe.
shut up! I bet chrio flex makes you look small and he is a low dose user. There is no reakl kigtropin! All the lab tests done by william llwellyn and Ronny T 4 kits bought from diffrent sources all of them were 100% BUNK! I have not seen one lab Test showing Kigtropin had IGF-1 in it not only that it had no 191-AA HGH in it! complete sham of a product! Your obviously somebody who got bored hanging out on Gh15's site where you have to pay to post so you came here to getbig and are talking all stupid. Go give blowies for your great EQ you get :-*
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shut up! I bet chrio flex makes you look small and he is a low dose user. There is no reakl kigtropin! All the lab tests done by william llwellyn and Ronny T 4 kits bought from diffrent sources all of them were 100% BUNK! I have not seen one lab Test showing Kigtropin had IGF-1 in it not only that it had no 191-AA HGH in it! complete sham of a product! Your obviously somebody who got bored hanging out on Gh15's site where you have to pay to post so you came here to getbig and are talking all stupid. Go give blowies for your great EQ you get :-*
not even the first ones?
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Wait until you are in your 40s, and then say "I'm mature."
Fuck muscle maturity; Casey at 19...
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Explain to us all why rammy looks like half the man he was at Ny? Insulin all over the world. Hgh ...no shortage.
Igf1??? Big shortage and sky high demand for the product
Its a sham of a product because it was a scam to begin with to make money off young hard working bodybuilders while making jackasses rich. Kigtropin is a sticker that at one time had somethin special inside it and now it has sugar water. That was long chain igf. Ask anyone who has used legit igf and they will tell you with a sad face " i would sell my house for it "
I buy my eq because i work a 9-5.
Not that youd know anything about that, im sure the oxy market is treatin you real good
lol half the man he was at new york pro? Where did you get that from? You cant compare pics from a stage with good lightning and Where ramy has carbloaded and is in his best shape ever with pics one week from the contest when he is flat and has subq water and the lightning is bad
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Explain to us all why rammy looks like half the man he was at Ny? Insulin all over the world. Hgh ...no shortage.
Igf1??? Big shortage and sky high demand for the product
Its a sham of a product because it was a scam to begin with to make money off young hard working bodybuilders while making jackasses rich. Kigtropin is a sticker that at one time had somethin special inside it and now it has sugar water. That was long chain igf. Ask anyone who has used legit igf and they will tell you with a sad face " i would sell my house for it "
I buy my eq because i work a 9-5.
Not that youd know anything about that, im sure the oxy market is treatin you real good
ramy looks way better now then NEW YORK and will look even better on OLYMPIA DAY, so WTF are you talking about, ???
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i love it when gh15's gnomes pop up banging the old kigtropin drum, must kill god of hormonas that he never gets a mention on here anymore
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look at the picture of big ram ,the new 2 picures. In the relax pose ..notice the pointy nipples and pecs..this is what hapen when you have no igf1 in the body yet you try to comp for it with extra slin and extra genotropin. rami is on genotropin and insulin here only. he is far les impressive than Ny. you may think he is more conditioned due to bodyfat being low, and he is leaner ...OK! BUT BUT BUT the reality is that he lost muscle surface and volume. Only thing ram had amd a pretty good structure. He has no mature muscle amd needs TIME to create that.
The only reason he may place well is because the others also seem to lack igf1lr3 of pharmgrade. No bullshit bunk pep company crap. As i said...shit is in shortage and whole ifbb will suffer.
Onetimehard, you need to study advance bodybuilding or you will spin your wheels. It is much different at that level then take some 225mg test and a little dbol tablet and do pct after. He does not look better and if you were a serious physique enthusiast youd know that. You wqnnna play with the big boys you gotta do what they do. Wanma remain a random local thats "one time" 3rd place was "hard" to make, play with bayy dosed bunk gear all day. Thats the truth and it aint even a damn attack on you. Youll say im a dick and cry but i am living in the industru and i fuckin know. Why lie.
MY KNOWLEDGE SHITS ALL OVER YOU ANY DAY OF THE WEEK
YOU ARE IN THE INDUSTRY LMFAO YOU BIG BITCH I JUST HAD DINNER WITH 2 OLYMPIA JUDGES.
TALK IS CHEAP YOU DUMB FUCK POST SOME PICS AND THE WE WILL TALK.
YOU TALKING ABOUT MY THIRD PLACE FINISH IONS AGO MEANS SHIT TO ME, ARE YOU ALSO AWARE OF THE 2 GUYS THAT PLACE AHEAD OF ME ARE IFBB PROS?
SEE ME AT THE NEXT NATIONALS ON STAGE THEN MAKE FUN F MY PLACING, AGAIN LET'S SEE A PIC.
KIGTROPIN, LMAFAO, WHAT ARE YOU A 12 YEAR OLD GULLIBLE FUCK
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you can have a saudi prince with all the money in the world buy top chef or even pharma grade aas, hGH, and insulin, by the tens of thousands of dollars amount monthly, but if the only pharma grade igf1 is in an extreme shortage, to where children who actually require Increlex, all of bodybuilding will suffer. And it is apparent not only with the condition of Ramy, but others as well.
Look at the timing of the shortage and the shows:
-April 25th, official announcement of not only a shortage, but also the fact that it will be "completely exhausted in the near future".
http://www.increlex.com/pdf/hcp-drug-supply-interruption.pdf
-May 25th, ny ifbb pro
these pics are 3 days before: http://www.never2big.com/2013/05/ramy-moh-elspiey-few-days-out-298lbs.html
-September road to Mr. O
2.5w out from mr. O: https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/1234709_10153261226470121_1096459784_n.jpg
Its no coincidence. They had enough Increlex for NY pro. Not enough through sept. No one did. Thats a lot of igf1 to sit on. He doesnt have nearly the same size and conditioning leading up to the contest.
OH SHUT THE FUCK UP WITH YOUR FAIRY TALE BS, THIS IS NOT FUCKEN THE FUCKEN WIZARD OF OZ YOU FUCKEN CLOWN
WOW JUST WOW
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What fairy tale? The company that produces Increlex posted a press release on their page. the link is directly to the press release.
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What did I say, Dillett from the front is a beast, genetically superior to Rami. He was missing a back though, and Rami would beat him on that...We all know about Dillett's posing. Marko had a good look, but was a flash in the pan Federov, how can have Marko and Federov in the same sentence as Ramy, well Marko and Federov were both compared to Ronnie in line ups, that is how. ..And Toney, has better genetics as well...if he was 15-20 yrs younger, he'd be a beast...he has better flow than Ramy and at 6'1 and I believe 280-290, he carry's his muscle well.
Rami is like a jumble of bodyparts. Mustafa's legs, Flex Wheeler's delts, and Wolf's calves...but we'll see in 5 days.
just becuse Marko and fedrov get compared with ronnie in some weak ass european grand prix does not make them lagitmate bodybuilder.put both of them in NY pro see if they can crak top 10.
there are lots of if and but,s attached with all your guys.i see Rami as a future threat for this year i dont see him cracking top 3.no matter what happened after 5 days there are gonna be lots of pissed off people on this board....lol
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Dude, you are such an idiot. You have zero clue of what it takes to build an impressive physique, and Ramy was A-L-L legit kig's (IGF) in NY, LOJ already explained this to us all. Idiot.
just got confirmation from The easter bunny, that santa clause contacted LOJ personally....and is arranging one of his elves to bring big rami a fresh supply of kigs from the north pole. He's on his way now.
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(http://oi40.tinypic.com/aadgsg.jpg)
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just got confirmation from The easter bunny, that santa clause contacted LOJ personally....and is arranging one of his elves to bring big rami a fresh supply of kigs from the north pole. He's on his way now.
THAT IS NOT WHAT I HEARD, I HEARD IT WAS A SUPER SAIYAN ON THE WAY BACK FROM THE PLANET OF NAMEK AFTER DEFEATING FRIEZA THAT WILL COME BACK WITH A SENZU BEAN IN TIME FOR THE OLYMPIA
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just becuse Marko and fedrov get compared with ronnie in some weak ass european grand prix does not make them lagitmate bodybuilder.put both of them in NY pro see if they can crak top 10.
there are lots of if and but,s attached with all your guys.i see Rami as a future threat for this year i dont see him cracking top 3.no matter what happened after 5 days there are gonna be lots of pissed off people on this board....lol
Dude... It's Like this. ..guys like Parker...ND...no matter how wrong or stupid their point is... they just keep posting one assinine post after another.. and are very pleased with themselves. Just make your point. The peple with brains here know the difference between a stubborn idiot who would rather die than admit you have a point, ajd someone who knows what they are talking about.
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Dude... It's Like this. ..guys like Parker...ND...no matter how wrong or stupid their point is... they just keep posting one assinine post after another.. and are very pleased with themselves. Just make your point. The peple with brains here know the difference between a stubborn idiot who would rather die than admit you have a point, ajd someone who knows what they are talking about.
meltdown ;D
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meltdown ;D
Says the guy who posted a whole 14 seconds after me. ;)
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The fact that you cannot type like a normal person online, and have to push your hate without any actual discussion proves the corner that you've been pushed into. I now comprehend the fantasy that you live in, and I am sorry for that. I'm sure those "judges" were happy to get a free meal that you paid for.
SORRY BUT DISCUSSION THAT SANTA EXIST IS A ONE WAY DISCUSSION, BY ALL MEANS BELIEVE IF YOU WANT ;)
OH BY THE WAY, THEY PAID FOR MY MEAL ;)
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Says the guy who posted a whole 14 seconds after me. ;)
Says the guy who can't stop typing my name ;) still a little bitter because you've been getting your ass handed to you around here lately?
You apologize to Wiggs yet? I know you reported him to the mods lol tattletale
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Says the guy who can't stop typing my name ;) still a little bitter because you've been getting your ass handed to you around here lately?
You apologize to Wiggs yet? I know you reported him to the mods lol tattletale
Fuck him and fuck you. ..hahahahaaaaa :D
Ps you couldn't hand a 7 year old his ass...you twat. But it's cute the way you're sticking up for your boyfriend. .. you the top or bottom ? :D
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Fuck him and fuck you. ..hahahahaaaaa :D
Ps you couldn't hand a 7 year old his ass...you twat. But it's cute the way you're sticking up for your boyfriend. .. you the top or bottom ? :D
Please you're a punk bitch who folded when pictures of your g/f were posted , cried to mods , flipped out , cried about how you're done with this site lol I get douche-chills just thinking of it :-X then crawled back with your tail between your legs hiding under gimmicks calling people the N word , then , again melting down when your mugshot was released lol still crying to the mods , still a punk bitch
You're like Fat Dave after he tried to come back and act like you didn't have a 40 megaton meltdown , you think people were just going to forget that Getbig got the best of you? ::)
You owe Wiggs an apology BTW , maybe if you apologize then you wont keep getting slapped around. ;)
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Please you're a punk bitch who folded when pictures of your g/f were posted , cried to mods , flipped out , cried about how you're done with this site lol I get douche-chills just thinking of it :-X then crawled back with your tail between your legs hiding under gimmicks calling people the N word , then , again melting down when your mugshot was released lol still crying to the mods , still a punk bitch
You're like Fat Dave after he tried to come back and act like you didn't have a 40 megaton meltdown , you think people were just going to forget that Getbig got the best of you? ::)
You owe Wiggs an apology BTW , maybe if you apologize then you wont keep getting slapped around. ;)
Meltdown.
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just becuse Marko and fedrov get compared with ronnie in some weak ass european grand prix does not make them lagitmate bodybuilder.put both of them in NY pro see if they can crak top 10.
there are lots of if and but,s attached with all your guys.i see Rami as a future threat for this year i dont see him cracking top 3.no matter what happened after 5 days there are gonna be lots of pissed off people on this board....lol
Really? You don't think that Federov and Marko were legit bbers? Federov places 2nd to Ronnie at the 2004 Russian Gran Prix. But, his chest and his back asymmetry held him back. He had a short career. Marko had a short career, but is known for his back detail and arms, and huge weight, cut short by renal failure. He had a lack of exposure. Had he been competing today, he would do well in today's contests.
Dude... It's Like this. ..guys like Parker...ND...no matter how wrong or stupid their point is... they just keep posting one assinine post after another.. and are very pleased with themselves. Just make your point. The peple with brains here know the difference between a stubborn idiot who would rather die than admit you have a point, ajd someone who knows what they are talking about.
I'm not "pleased with myself", people disagree. I will express my point. And that is my point. It nothing to do with pleasure. Stick to your guns, if you believe your point is valid, then stick to it.
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Really? You don't think that Federov and Marko were legit bbers? Federov places 2nd to Ronnie at the 2004 Russian Gran Prix. But, his chest and his back asymmetry held him back. He had a short career. Marko had a short career, but is known for his back detail and arms, and huge weight, cut short by renal failure. He had a lack of exposure. Had he been competing today, he would do well in today's contests.I'm not "pleased with myself", people disagree. I will express my point. And that is my point. It nothing to do with pleasure. Stick to your guns, if you believe your point is valid, then stick to it.
Point taken. Refreshing dealing with a normal person. I'm making NDs head explode like a volcano and He's chasing me around the board like I ran his mother over and left the scene....LOLOL.
It is amusing to watch him melt on cue :D
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Meltdown.
What else can you say? 8)
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Point taken. Refreshing dealing with a normal person. I'm making NDs head explode like a volcano and He's chasing me around the board like I ran his mother over and left the scene....LOLOL.
It is amusing to watch him melt on cue :D
Yeah I'm here to remind you and everyone else you're a racist and a coward who creates gimmicks to hide under to spew you hate. You are what's wrong with this place.
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What else can you say? 8)
I don't need to say anything else....LOL. you're pretty much self-propelled..just need a little push and you melt for six pages...ha ha
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Peter McGough is a fat fuck.
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I don't need to say anything else....LOL. you're pretty much self-propelled..just need a little push and you melt for six pages...ha ha
You can't say anything , you have nothing. Oh wait the best you could manage is ' You post about Dorian ' or ' you're tiny ' You have nothing on me 8)
You on the other hand lol ;) racist , gimmick , coward , mug shot , tattletale , crybaby :'(
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You can't say anything , you have nothing. Oh wait the best you could manage is ' You post about Dorian ' or ' you're tiny ' You have nothing on me 8)
You on the other hand lol ;)
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I said you should apologize , like a man would. But then again a man wouldn't resort to calling people the N word when they can't handle themselves on a message board 8)
Wiggs got you to fold , you cracked and called him the N word. He won you cried and here we are , you still crying.
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I said you should apologize , like a man would. But then again a man wouldn't resort to calling people the N word when they can't handle themselves on a message board 8)
Wiggs got you to fold , you cracked and called him the N word. He won you cried and here we are , you still crying.
Um.....you're crying ;)
I've called six people that since then....to their face :D
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Um.....you're crying ;)
I've called six people that since then....to their face :D
No I don't cry , especially not to mods. ;)
You did shit , cowards create gimmicks to spew their racist bullshit. You're a coward.
Wiggs folded you like laundry , you cracked like an egg, He won I'm sure he'll accept your apology
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;D ;D
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u are mentaly insane, LOJ said you are not all there in the head but i find you delusional beyond belief.
Who are these judges dude? Are they real people?
The reason you can never get anywhere and remain a gym rat is that u just dont fkn understand that advance bodybuilding is about fda gh, insulin, and most importantly the highest levels of an advance bodybuilder....like you know..Ifbb; legit kigtropin kinda product that is the worlds finest igf that is in a big shortage and is why jay cutler is not exploding with mass, why kai greene has forearms of a local, why ramy WENT DOWN in volume and why phil heath will kick ass because he still has it!
ramy has gone back in time build wise due to lack of the purest form of hgh and igf long chain receptor grade. Pointe finale. That is the simple truth, not what some local third place preachs ;). Once you get your head straight and stop having tea parties with make believe judges in your man thong, maybe you can learn how to advance your physique to a 1st place level. If you play runner up against fellow locals...continue your delusional way of life.
I understand that way better then you and your master you dumb retard.
Let me prove it to you.
my friend who is an ifbb pro takes 32 iu's of gh per day around the clock.
He spilts his dose into 4 times a day, each time h does 8 iu at a time.
He also takes takes one shot of sustenon per dsay
he takes 4 shots of prop per day, that is right. Not a typo, that is 4 shots of prop per day
He takes 2shots of tren, 2 shots of npp per day as well and 2 shots of TNE with 300mg worth of ORALS PER DAY MUTHAFUCKER
LET'S ADD IT UP
1750MG PER WEEK OF SUSTENON
2800MG PER WEEK OF PROP
1400MG PER WEEK OF TREN
1400MG [ER WEEK OF NPP
1400MG PER WEEK OF TNE
2100MG PER WEEK OF ORALS
THAT IS 11 GRAMS OF GEAR YOU POS AND YOU HAVE THE AUDICITY OF TELLING ME I AM DELUSIONAL OF WHAT THE TOP DOGS TAKE, NO MTHAFUCKER I AM THE LIGHT HERE AT GETBIG TELLING PEOPLE THE INSIDE SCOOP BEHIND THE SCENE, WAY FUCKEN BETTER THEN YOU CAN YOU POS
ON TOP OF THAT HE IS KILLING 300IU OF SLIN WEEKLY.
NOW GO FUCK YOURSELF, I KNOW AS MUCH AS ANYONE ON YOUR SITE ON WHAT THESE FUCKEN PROS TAKE
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nothing would make me happier than seeing Jay beat phil and kai
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nothing would make me happier than seeing Jay beat phil and kai
Everyone loves and underdog I would like to see Jay win but reality is he wont beat Phil , Maybe Kai
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Everyone loves and underdog I would like to see Jay win but reality is he wont beat Phil , Maybe Kai
even though phil will beat him kai is still a better bodybuilder IMO. e.....I'd love to see jay or dennis wolf win. i feel sorry for dennis personally. All the talent in the world and can't figure it out.... plus unlike phil he also comes across as a very humble guy.
phil reminds me of A-Rod
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phil reminds me of A-Rod
Good analogy
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Hey Mods.....How about for a change we ban the Gh15 trolls NOW instead of dealing with their bullshit for a month
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Hey Mods.....How about for a change we ban the Gh15 trolls NOW instead of dealing with their bullshit for a month
LMFAO The irony of you bitching about gimmicks and crying to the mods again ;D
They should also ban you for being a racist asshole while they're at it
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what about your noise?
what have you done
He got robbed on kigs is all
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If you know what it takes, as you claim, why haven't you made any noise yet on stage?
Lol at believing that just upping the dose will make you a pro! ::)
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exaclty you also have to eat sushi and drink pineaple juice
;D
and swing the weights heavier, more intense swinging, cswol has shown how its done the guy is a massive 280, son 8)
Don't forget the ice cream bro! :D
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LOL @ implying body handling high doses + legit igf1lr3 isn't the key to modern day body building.
LOL @ all the gym rats and amateur competitors running double the doses the pros use and not looking anything like them!
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LOL @ implying body handling high doses + legit igf1lr3 isn't the key to modern day body building.
LOL@ 16 year olds parroting what they heard on a bullshit website. Have you ever seen an actual steroid ?
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If you know what it takes, as you claim, why haven't you made any noise yet on stage?
because i am not prepared to kill myself to turn pro, this is a hobby, nothing more, I run my own roofing business and that pays the bills, bodybuilding does not.
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LOL @ you claiming to know what gym rats are running. I can assure you gym rats are not running pharm grade igf1lr3.
Here's the thing champ. If you actually knew from a scientific perspective what the actual mechanism of Insulin Growth Factors was, you would realize that it is very valuable in muscle hypertrophy but it's not a magic bullet BY ANY MEANS.
What would make you more anabolic, 500mcg of IGFLR3 ED or 200mg Tren Ace ED?
:)
IGF is a great peptide, but it's not magical. Sorry if this bursts your bubble, but you need to crack open some scientific peer reviewed literature for once and educate yourself on this peptide.
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Here's the thing champ. If you actually knew from a scientific perspective what the actual mechanism of Insulin Growth Factors was, you would realize that it is very valuable in muscle hypertrophy but it's not a magic bullet BY ANY MEANS.
What would make you more anabolic, 500mcg of IGFLR3 ED or 200mg Tren Ace ED?
:)
IGF is a great peptide, but it's not magical. Sorry if this bursts your bubble, but you need to crack open some scientific peer reviewed literature for once and educate yourself on this peptide.
bro this is just another preparation for yet another 200 000 dollar scam like the kigtropin scam of the century.
The hype on the igf-1 is as believable as the tooth fairy but lo and behold it will yield yet another scam of EPIC PROPORTIONS
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Let us remember Paul...
(http://forum.bodybuilding.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=3899963&d=1322435494)
The benefits of huge traps
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_rDNyQdDXib8/SIS2gQ1_sHI/AAAAAAAACAk/eKyzZDr2X-s/s1600/Paul%2B%2BDillet%2B_07.jpg)
His gift of first place over an in shape Ruhl
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=397415.0;attach=433686;image)
Just Standing
(http://forum.bodybuilding.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=2889143&stc=1&d=1290991692)
Schrunches up his shoulders when doing this pose, unlike Levrone
(http://velocity.t-nation.com/forum_images/9/a/9ac47-paul_20dillet10.jpg)
(http://forum.bodybuilding.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=5181363&d=1355527322)
Lastly, his very flawed back
(http://extrastrong.ru/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/paul-dillet-lats.jpg)
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The scam was IP sending sugar water.
Legit kigs were very real and the IFBB was using it too, still do but there is shortage in Igf in BodyBuilding now-a-days, check out this year's Olympia and you'll understand why LOJ is at the top followed by so many.
75% of the people who got scammed, got scammed because your site was ranting that kigtropin was gold, play dumb all you want but remember this, no one here takes you serious and you guys are the laughing stock of the bodybuilding world ranting about your sugar water 24-7, now get lost.
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You never had pharma Igf.
You never had pharma Igflr3.
You had low purity shit (15% purity) from research 'company' on the internetz ::)
You have no experience with anything you talk about and you're a talker not walker. Young and dumb.
The peer reviewed literature was done using pharmaceutical grade IGF....so....your argument is invalid. There is still nothing magical about pharm grade IGF. Look for yourself, there's a plethora of research on it. You will learn that there is no magic potion out there bro.
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First Im not your 'bro'
secondly, you can take the literature and put it in your gym beg and remain the local you are. You dont go by 'literature' in advance bodybuilding, You go by what works. Ramy had legit kig and was worthy of top 2 spot on the Olympia stage back in NY. Now he doesn't, and if he does and they apply it last few days He will place top 2, if not, he won't. End of story.
Thirdly, who the fuck are you again? chiro flex? lol
GTFO of serious bodybuilding discussion and go read the bible, It was written on this site in part, and LOJ was kind enough to let it stay.
learn advance BodyBuilding and then i'll listen to SOME of what you say.
You mad bro?
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because i am not prepared to kill myself to turn pro, this is a hobby, nothing more, I run my own roofing business and that pays the bills, bodybuilding does not.
How about employing Wiggs ??? to work for you :D
On high roofs he would be closer to his Hebrew god ;D
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First Im not your 'bro'
secondly, you can take the literature and put it in your gym bag and remain the local you are. You dont go by 'literature' in advance bodybuilding, You go by what works. Ramy had legit kig and was worthy of top 2 spot on the Olympia stage back in NY. Now he doesn't, and if he does and they apply it last few days He will place top 2, if not, he won't. End of story.
Thirdly, who the fuck are you again? chiro flex? lol
GTFO of serious bodybuilding discussion and go read the bible, It was written on this site in part, and LOJ was kind enough to let it stay.
learn advance BodyBuilding and then i'll listen to SOME of what you say.
who the fuck are you? Nobody including Gh15 got anything special in those kigtropin vials it was all junk! just bullshit! some chinese guy pissed in those vials and the whole Gh15 gang shot them up and loved it! There was no Igf-1 in any of those vials bought from defiant or kamikaze or all the other rip off artists. If kigtropin was so great Nordic would of bout it all up as he has the cash to do so. Nordic knew it was grabage,defiant has a whole storage unit full of that piss in a vial! I have seen several lab analysis done all of them show it has nothing but piss in them! 4 of the Test were done by llewellyn and Ronny T and it will be in their book that the test came back that their was just piss in the vials no Igf-1 ,no 191-AA HGH just piss!
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First Im not your 'bro'
secondly, you can take the literature and put it in your gym bag and remain the local you are. You dont go by 'literature' in advance bodybuilding, You go by what works. Ramy had legit kig and was worthy of top 2 spot on the Olympia stage back in NY. Now he doesn't, and if he does and they apply it last few days He will place top 2, if not, he won't. End of story.
Thirdly, who the fuck are you again? chiro flex? lol
GTFO of serious bodybuilding discussion and go read the bible, It was written on this site in part, and LOJ was kind enough to let it stay.
learn advance BodyBuilding and then i'll listen to SOME of what you say.
Your trying to diss almost a natural bodybuilder who looks better then you-LOL. chiro is natural in his avator picture and looks better then you on 10 grams of gear! same with onetimehard on just a small dosage he looks way better then your "Oh Im off-season" 20%BF ass. Is Gh15 charging so much you can't post there anymore, is bigher still crying because he never went pro? Is Gh15 still living good off all the money he scammed off you fools who bought thousands of dollars of piss water and still stuck by his side? Ip had nothing to do with that scam,nice try! Blame it on IP they knocked off things in the past-lol.The REAL IP is in jail Retard!
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Peter is not Fat!
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Peter is not Fat!
Not talking about peter talking about this Gh15 cocksmoker.
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Don't be an idiot clown. You are one angry little man aren't ya?
Have you ever been on legit kig? No.
Just like you never been 3% BF.
Just like You'll never make it to a PRO.
Lying will get you no where.
I.P. is the scammer who stole legit kig raw powder and then decided to make a name for himself on the back of LOJ, cuz LOJ is so powerful and his word is what counts. Have some self respect for yourself, clown. You meltdown worse than a chick.
You're fake because you lie.
are you saying you love the cock
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Don't be an idiot clown. You are one angry little man aren't ya?
Have you ever been on legit kig? No.
Just like you never been 3% BF.
Just like You'll never make it to a PRO.
Lying will get you no where.
I.P. is the scammer who stole legit kig raw powder and then decided to make a name for himself on the back of LOJ, cuz LOJ is so powerful and his word is what counts. Have some self respect for yourself, clown. You meltdown worse than a chick.
You're fake because you lie.
You have never been on legit kigs either you bought pisss water and clumped baking soda. Not even HCG.
You have never used real IGF-1!
You have never been sub 3%
Ypou will never even compete!
where is your picture? lets see a natural picture because chiro flex has a good physique he is natural in his avator picture and he does not use heavy amounts yet and he is playing shit smart! If chiro flex used the amounts you used he would look way better then anybpody on Gh15's board hw ould look better then Bigher and all the other Pro BB dreamers but chiro has a chance bigher and all Gh15's little dicksuckers are all burnt out. Chiro is healthy and has only just begun and once he works up to those higher amounts he will look better then any one of Gh15's groupie cocksuckers. And chiro will get real AAS and HGH,IGF certain people will make sure of it, if he wants to ever go that route. Still without those drugs and high amounts of AAS chiro looks better then all Gh15's shower buddys.
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and what in the world does benching 500lb have to do with the OLYMPIA? please enlighten us cause I can bench 500lb, so what do I get for benching 500? A BIG FAT NOTHING.
I seriously doubt that not in competition shape like kai can. It was just a story chill out but it would really happen if ramy trained with kai 8 days out from the OIlympia Ramy would tear both pec muscles training with kai.
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and what in the world does benching 500lb have to do with the OLYMPIA? please enlighten us cause I can bench 500lb, so what do I get for benching 500? A BIG FAT NOTHING.
geez I didn't know you were in love with ramy-chill out. I guess I should of asked if you were married maybe I said some things that offended you if I did sorry. But the ramy private posing story is real. Are you jealous you can't get a private show with big ramy?
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way more then you, I work at pro shows, I just was at my friends wedding, ifbb pro, I train with 3 different pros on occasion and go out and drink with another 10 of them, I am in the loop way more the you, what you paco? lmao
I thought you were a roofer now you work at pro shows? OK :-\
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I agree with much of what you say.
Ramy will place 4th.
PS: I don't believe he has synthol in his delts. Of course he site injects them like every pro, but he just has some massive delts anyways.
sorry to ruin the parade but ramys delts are loaded with synthol.
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what a stupid comment..even for getbig
It's the truth! sorry it hurts.
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yeh, im pretty surprised by such a moronic post by a mod of the steroid boards........
How is it moronic if it is true?
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quads are separated, just big. Remind of Milos' project, Mustafa.
Lower mid back detail...plus, traps. One notices this when he is shirted and onstage, which is why he looks so wide. Large traps make one look narrow.
I disagree with you on the delts. I think they look like bee stings (to borrow what Shawn Ray had said about Flex's delts back in 2000). Chest is a bit shallow for someone so big.
Great abs...
On his calves...his calves seem high from the front, and low from the back. I speculate that if he competed during the 90s, he would have some good calves, a la Nasser...I just see him as lacking polish. The parts are there, but detailed, thickness, and maturity for his size is not.
Exactly and who trained Dennis james? Milos! Ramy is being trained by Milos through Dennis James! This is what I have been saying all along DJ learned everything from Milos and is now applying it to ramy and yes ramy looks very similar to mustafa muhamed who owed Milos like 25 grand and started yelling backstage like a little girl and threatening to call the police when Milos went back there to ask mustafa for some of the money back. That was pretty funny mustafa yelling like a girl it was classic.
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CONSIDER THIS GROINK.........
My friend is 270 with abs at 6'foot, not a pretty physique by any means but 22 inch arms and is a monster, now he never uses long esters, ever because he hates being bloated with water. SO HIS TEST PROP ALONE A WEEK 2800MG, HE TAKES 4 SHOTS PER DAY, THEN HIS NPP AT 100MG PER SHOT IS 1400MG, THE TREN AT 700MG AND PRIMO AT 700MG PER WEEK AND THERE IS MORE YET....
BUT WITH ONLY WHAT I MENTIONED ADDS UP TO 56 CC'S OF OIL WEEKLY AND HE ONLY PINS HIS DELTS AND GLUTES AND HIS DELTS LOOK SMOOTH AND SYNTHOLISH EVEN THOUGH HE HAS NEVER DONE SYNTHOL, SO RAMY'S DELTS MAY JUST BE FROM PINNING 40CC'S IN EACH DELT OF AAS PER WEEK AND NOT SYNTHOL
Sorry but his delts are loaded with Synthol! I thought you were on-stage everyday! You know that many pros and believe ramy has no synthol in his delts-LOL
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Exactly and who trained Dennis james? Milos! Ramy is being trained by Milos through Dennis James! This is what I have been saying all along DJ learned everything from Milos and is now applying it to ramy and yes ramy looks very similar to mustafa muhamed who owed Milos like 25 grand and started yelling backstage like a little girl and threatening to call the police when Milos went back there to ask mustafa for some of the money back. That was pretty funny mustafa yelling like a girl it was classic.
lol what about all the other both milos and dennis trained that dont have that look? just because two atlethes physices and condition reminds of eachother you cant draw that conclusion comeon
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Point taken. Refreshing dealing with a normal person. I'm making NDs head explode like a volcano and He's chasing me around the board like I ran his mother over and left the scene....LOLOL.
It is amusing to watch him melt on cue :D
I am taking your advise on Parker.he dont have a clue what he is saying.
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Explain to us all why rammy looks like half the man he was at Ny? Insulin all over the world. Hgh ...no shortage.
Igf1??? Big shortage and sky high demand for the product
Its a sham of a product because it was a scam to begin with to make money off young hard working bodybuilders while making jackasses rich. Kigtropin is a sticker that at one time had somethin special inside it and now it has sugar water. That was long chain igf. Ask anyone who has used legit igf and they will tell you with a sad face " i would sell my house for it "
I buy my eq because i work a 9-5.
Not that youd know anything about that, im sure the oxy market is treatin you real good
Yeah I make a shitload more money then you do you know that! You got shammed buy Gh15 he got all you suckers to buy chunks of baking soda and piss water. why do you think Gh15 didn't try to sell any kigtropin to Nordic if kigtropin was just the fire HGH with pharma grade IGF-1 in it Nodic would of bought it all he has the cash to do it and both nordic and i passed on the Kigtropin Defiant was the sucker and bought a bunch of fake kits that he still has in a storage unit . kamikaze was another guy who sold all fake HGH but he didn;t use his own cash he used the Gh15 crews cash he just put in the orders and the chinese guys shipoped it out. IP had nothing to do with the scam . People like Gh15 just were looking for somebody to blame it on and why not IP he knocks off popular products but IP was in jail at the time so IP had nothing to do with it and even though IP knocks off poipular products he does put the active steroid in the product.
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You never had pharma Igf.
You never had pharma Igflr3.
You had low purity shit (15% purity) from research 'company' on the internetz ::)
You have no experience with anything you talk about and you're a talker not walker. Young and dumb.
thats 15% higher purity then you got.
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The scam was IP sending sugar water.
Legit kigs were very real and the IFBB was using it too, still do but there is shortage in Igf in BodyBuilding now-a-days, check out this year's Olympia and you'll understand why LOJ is at the top followed by so many.
Total bullshit made up by shitbag Gh15 blaming IP just because he knocks off popular products but he always puts real steroid in the products plus IP was in jail the real IP was in jail this was not IP's crew behind this scam it was Gh15's scam.
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lol what about all the other both milos and dennis trained that dont have that look? just because two atlethes physices and condition reminds of eachother you cant draw that conclusion comeon
who always cried for milos to train himj? DJ did! Before things went to shit for Milos he trained multiple pro bodybuilders and also spent alot of time hanging out with dennis james in thailand in the states always training dennis and teaching Dennis. Dennis learned everything from Milos. Dennis is applying everything he learned rom Milos on ramy! Guaranteed!
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truthinBB, GetNoticed & mrbaggins...
Cut the shit, as you will find that none of you will have any posts allowed on the G&O.
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Sorry but his delts are loaded with Synthol! I thought you were on-stage everyday! You know that many pros and believe ramy has no synthol in his delts-LOL
there is no difference in synthol and oil from juice, NON, you need to get a clue not me and with all the short esters people take now, it can easily add up to 60-100 cc's per week and if that is all going to the shoulders wtf would be the difference EINSTEIN
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I thought you were a roofer now you work at pro shows? OK :-\
HEY DICK HEAD, GET OFF MY CASE ALREADY, WTF DID I DO TO YOU?
YA WORKING AT PRO SHOWS TAKES 40 HOUR A WEEK MORON
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For the last time, we do not want anything that has to do with your "TRUTHS" or your "GOD".
On the G&O, you will find many casual bodybuilders, industry insiders, competitors, normal guys that don't lift but follow the sport and even another cohort of individuals that just enjoy the humor the site brings.
Cut it out already. All of your hard work will simply be erased. It makes no sense.
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because i am not prepared to kill myself to turn pro, this is a hobby, nothing more, I run my own roofing business and that pays the bills, bodybuilding does not.
That's the best way to look at it.
We already look fucking great for everyday life, why spent indecrible amount of money to be a national competitor or shitty pro
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For the last time, we do not want anything that has to do with your "TRUTHS" or your "GOD".
On the G&O, you will find many casual bodybuilders, industry insiders, competitors, normal guys that don't lift but follow the sport and even another cohort of individuals that just enjoy the humor the site brings.
Cut it out already. All of your hard work will simply be erased. It makes no sense.
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Can you believe after all of this they are still going on about legit 'kigtropin'' wtf, lloooloolololololol PURE FUCKEN CLOWNS
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who always cried for milos to train himj? DJ did! Before things went to shit for Milos he trained multiple pro bodybuilders and also spent alot of time hanging out with dennis james in thailand in the states always training dennis and teaching Dennis. Dennis learned everything from Milos. Dennis is applying everything he learned rom Milos on ramy! Guaranteed!
that didnt answer the logic in t.he question try again
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geez I didn't know you were in love with ramy-chill out. I guess I should of asked if you were married maybe I said some things that offended you if I did sorry. But the ramy private posing story is real. Are you jealous you can't get a private show with big ramy?
no its not real the guy you pointed out is ramys friend old friend from egypt according to dennis james fb and isnt even in the oil buisness so the whole story is clearly a lie from you or your friend
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no its not real the guy you pointed out is ramys friend old friend from egypt according to dennis james fb and isnt even in the oil buisness so the whole story is clearly a lie from you or your friend
WW is on his rag insulting everyone as of late for no reason at all. :P
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WW is on his rag insulting everyone as of late for no reason at all. :P
haha yes he needs to refill his bottle of xanax before he goes into total meltdown mode
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truthinBB, GetNoticed & mrbaggins...
Cut the shit, as you will find that none of you will have any posts allowed on the G&O.
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add vintage york to the mix
they are all over the steroid board
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haha yes he needs to refill his bottle of xanax before he goes into total meltdown mode
The thing is I have a lot of respect for him he is barking for no reason at all :-\
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The thing is I have a lot of respect for him he is barking for no reason at all :-\
i like most of his post to but something is up its like when wiggs left getbig for a while earlier this year he went from a calm hebrew to full blown roid rager with alot of anger in all of his post.
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I apologize to OTH and everybody I never meant to disrespect anybody personally and I never made anything up what I heard was what I heard I can't prove it is true or not true,hopefully it is not true. That is all I have ever said.
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Why do most refuse to believe GENES rule if not explain to me where are the thousands of Mr O's? How many have tried and failed. Take all the drugs you want guys eat your liver and kidneys up die early for nothing.
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HEY DICK HEAD, GET OFF MY CASE ALREADY, WTF DID I DO TO YOU?
YA WORKING AT PRO SHOWS TAKES 40 HOUR A WEEK MORON
I am going to man up and apologize because I didn't mean to attack anybody personally. Your opinion is diffrent then my opinion. I think he has alot of synthol and site injections going on in more then just his delts. and I am sorry I was confused about how much time you spent organizing shows. No hard feeling here I have respect for you but everybody is entitled to their own opinion. As far as the whole Milos /Dennis james argument. I know for a fact Milos taight Dennis a shit load of what Dennis is teaching ramy. Dennis always had Milos train him and they were good friends and spent time hanging out together,Milos used to hang out in thailand at dennis's house. So yes I believe Dennis is training ramy the same way Milos would.
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Why do most refuse to believe GENES rule if not explain to me where are the thousands of Mr O's? How many have tried and failed. Take all the drugs you want guys eat your liver and kidneys up die early for nothing.
very true..
to be a great bbr you first must have great genetics.. drugs dont change the shape of the body, they only make the body explode.. also the degree of this explosion depends again on genetics..
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The greatest MR O EVER!!! BIG RAMY 2013 MR O 1st PLACE!!!
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I apologize to OTH and everybody I never meant to disrespect anybody personally and I never made anything up what I heard was what I heard I can't prove it is true or not true,hopefully it is not true. That is all I have ever said.
well this is a gossip board and what you heard was gossip so you didnt do anything wrong
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I am going to man up and apologize because I didn't mean to attack anybody personally. Your opinion is diffrent then my opinion. I think he has alot of synthol and site injections going on in more then just his delts. and I am sorry I was confused about how much time you spent organizing shows. No hard feeling here I have respect for you but everybody is entitled to their own opinion. As far as the whole Milos /Dennis james argument. I know for a fact Milos taight Dennis a shit load of what Dennis is teaching ramy. Dennis always had Milos train him and they were good friends and spent time hanging out together,Milos used to hang out in thailand at dennis's house. So yes I believe Dennis is training ramy the same way Milos would.
HEY BRO, I owe you an apology as well, we were both out of line. This post shows how good of guy you really are, thanks man, much respect bro, ;) 8)
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I understand that way better then you and your master you dumb retard.
Let me prove it to you.
my friend who is an ifbb pro takes 32 iu's of gh per day around the clock.
He spilts his dose into 4 times a day, each time h does 8 iu at a time.
He also takes takes one shot of sustenon per dsay
he takes 4 shots of prop per day, that is right. Not a typo, that is 4 shots of prop per day
He takes 2shots of tren, 2 shots of npp per day as well and 2 shots of TNE with 300mg worth of ORALS PER DAY MUTHAFUCKER
LET'S ADD IT UP
1750MG PER WEEK OF SUSTENON
2800MG PER WEEK OF PROP
1400MG PER WEEK OF TREN
1400MG [ER WEEK OF NPP
1400MG PER WEEK OF TNE
2100MG PER WEEK OF ORALS
THAT IS 11 GRAMS OF GEAR YOU POS AND YOU HAVE THE AUDICITY OF TELLING ME I AM DELUSIONAL OF WHAT THE TOP DOGS TAKE, NO MTHAFUCKER I AM THE LIGHT HERE AT GETBIG TELLING PEOPLE THE INSIDE SCOOP BEHIND THE SCENE, WAY FUCKEN BETTER THEN YOU CAN YOU POS
ON TOP OF THAT HE IS KILLING 300IU OF SLIN WEEKLY.
NOW GO FUCK YOURSELF, I KNOW AS MUCH AS ANYONE ON YOUR SITE ON WHAT THESE FUCKEN PROS TAKE
Cliff notes: Just the last 10%.
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sounds like somebody was right.
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sounds like somebody was right.
I POSTED IN THE OTHER THREAD AND YES MY FRIEND, I GAVE YOU PRAISE ;)
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OTH is a stand up person.
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Pretty good prediction. :D
I predict 7th or 8th place for Rami
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McGough called it right.
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Pretty good prediction. :D
Boom , smart man.