Big RAMY! Why he is OVERRATED!!! by Peter McGough

[FitnessFrenzy]

Whatever -

Big Ramy will be in Los Angeles the Tuesday after the Olympia visiting some stores for GAT.

Big Ron always being so diplomatic.

[Papper]

Bodybuilding should make it easier on the competitors and just make it about how much bigger your thighs can be compared to to your calves-without amputating your calves though...

On the right is proportional:

no, the right one looks weird. he should rather shrink his quads to match. and bring up calves and hams ofc.

however... it is a completely moot point. calves count for SHIT in bb.

see ronnie/dexter.

ramy's biggest problem is that he is arabic and can't speak english and sell snake oil to american youth like philsulina.

[Rajkapoor]

Big RAMY!  Why he is OVERRATED !!!


The biggest talking point at this year’s upcoming Mr. Olympia shindig– beside Bob Chick’s sartorial decisions – is the debut of 285-pound Big Ramy. When he made his winning pro debut at last May’s New York Pro he was the biggest thing to hit bodybuilding since King Kamali’s ego.

Stacking 285 pounds on his 5’10” frame, the 28 year old Egyptian – who now lives in Kuwait – stunned all those in attendance onstage and offstage not just with his huge muscle size but also his balance and shape and a waist taper unusual for most belonging to the mass monsters club. Quite simply we have not seen someone of this size and this complete before. But to my tired peepers there are four factors to be considered before we crown Big Ramy the 14th Mr. Olympia champ.

Factor One: Shock Value Won’t Last: There is no doubt that Big Ramy shook the Tribeca to its rafters, putting the local fire departments on earthquake alert, and stunned everyone in his pro debut. The sheer size of the guy took the breath away and backed up by his proportions and tight waist the fact that he did have some weaknesses were maybe overlooked. Going into the Olympia he won’t have that same “first impressions” shock value? The same surprise element won’t be there. Like losing your virginity, it only happens once – personally I can’t wait.






Factor Two: The Victor Factor: The main plotline going into the 2012 New York Pro was the return of Victor Martinez after nearly two years away from competition. Now let it be said that the Victor Martinez who appeared on May 25 and was runner-up to Big Ramy isn’t the best Victor (a formidable opponent indeed) we’ve seen. He was conditioned but was leaner and little flattish in some areas, but overall he had crisper detail than Ramy. The latter usually being the clinching winning factor. But to return to the question of a best ever Victor (probably his second place at the 2007 Olympia) it’s a truism that veteran competitors like the popular Dominican are judged not only on who is standing next to them but also against their former best. This probably hurt Victor’s placing. That is not a knock against the judges: It’s human nature in all walks of life to compare the past against the present. A Victor in prime shape would have probably beaten Ramy. Plus in reviewing the full line-up, of the 18 others Ramy finished ahead of only two (Martinez and Marcus Haley) have ever made an Olympia appearance. This is not strictly to say it was a weak field, more it was a field of mostly youngish talent who are still WIP.

Factor Three: Ramy’s Weaknesses: Now speaking of weaknesses at Ramy’s level of physical development is like criticizing Roger Federer’s backhand, but when there’s talk about our subject winning this year’s Olympia closer inspection is required. Big Ramy had a couple of pointed anomalies in the pec area which are usually punished. His thighs are humungous (like he’s got a bantamweight strapped to each leg) but from what was seen in New York they lacked deep separation and cross striations. Also his hams (from the back) and calves need improvement. His back while maybe being the widest around could still use a bit more thickness and certainly detail in order to joust with the Heaths and Greenes of the bodybuilding world. Chest could be thicker also






Factor Four: The Devil’s In The Details In my opinion Ramy wasn’t 100 per cent dialed in in New York He wasn’t bone dry which made him unable to exhibit rock hard muscle: It seemed there was a slight blurriness caused by a thin film of water. We didn’t see the sort of detail that is needed for a top six Olympia spot. Some pundits are of the opinion that if Ramy drops ten pounds then look out Phil Heath. On the other hand dropping ten pounds won’t give him more back thickness, better calves and hams and cross striations in his thighs. It may be that Heathlike detail is not there to be mined out. Like most factors in bodybuilding the bottom line is genetics: you either have that feathery type detail embedded in the muscles or you don’t. Training another few years will enable muscle maturity to kick in and improve separation, but it won’t unearth crazy detail if it’s not inherent in the genes. To defeat a Mr. Olympia history proves you have to beat him at his own game or wait for his decline. Phil’s Heath game is packing his physique with more detail than we’ve seen before: He’s the Devil with the details everyone else has to get past. In viewing the top four at last year’s Olympia (in order Phil Heath, Kai Greene, Shawn Rhoden, Dexter Jackson) they all would appear to have Ramy beaten in the detail department.

WAIT AND SEE
This has not been a low-blowed attempt to derail Big Ramy. I think he’s livened up the bodybuilding scene like no other competitor in recent years, and we should treasure him as he develops (maybe to Mr. Olympia status) not overburden him with impossible expectations. Making the top six would be a tremendous achievement for the rookie but to expect him to win this year is liking expecting Miley Cirus to keep her clothes on from now on. Ain’t gonna happen.

Am i the only one here who smells racism in this article.whole white lobby trying their best to bring this guy down.giving him anything less what he deserve at olympia will not be tolerated this time.i smell big law suit against ifbb if that happened...may be its just my nose....

[Kim Jong Bob]

My lord the NY pro what a top Notch competition! One day ramy will try to lift some real heavy free weights and tear some muscles and game will be over! Not even heavy for a pro just a gettbigger for a flex photoshoot. I am not saying heavy weights are needed to obtain a pro physique but ramy is young and is already done lifting free weights? WTF. If Ramy tried benching 500 lbs for reps on the incline like Kai. Ramy would get the weight stuck on his chest and start yelling in arabic-HELP- HELP-KAI HELP! guy HELP!I KNOW I SHOULD OF STUCK WITH MACHINE,FUCK,PLEASE HELP, I HAVE POCKET BREAD AS REWARD!!!!!

what a stupid comment..even for getbig

[arce1988]

ramy's biggest problem is that he is arabic and can't speak english, and sell snake oil to american youth like philsulina.

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[local hero]

what a stupid comment..even for getbig

yeh, im pretty surprised by such a moronic post by a mod of the steroid boards........

[Papper]

what a stupid comment..even for getbig

I guess Ramy better head for the free weight section after reading this. His current routine obviously is not working at all 

[michael arvilla]

Overrated after just one professional contest?  ...lol ......Rami will be in the mix (top 5) if the judges do their jobs

[old-school-lifter]

Mcgoughs a  fat  british schmoe in love with Dorian, who helped Dorian win the O

[OTHstrong]

Am i the only one here who smells racism in this article.whole white lobby trying their best to bring this guy down.giving him anything less what he deserve at olympia will not be tolerated this time.i smell big law suit against ifbb if that happened...may be its just my nose....

I see the concern here, however don't think this represents the IFBB, absolutely not, RAMY is a FLEX mag guy and the IFBB wants to put him up there.

This is only ''one white mans opinion"     .... maybe just a tactic to stir up the waters, believe you me RAMY will place well.

[RRKore]

Mr.O isn't just about "the biggest or best physique on stage that day".
It's about the best overall representative of the sport!!

Then how does Kai even sniff the top 6?  There will be a shit-storm of bad publicity if Kai wins it.  (Not that I care -- I think the best physique should win regardless of other factors.)

[titusisback]

Overrated - HOW? Was he supposed to place less than 1st at NY pro? No! So he got what he deserved. A fair placing. Other than that, he has no placings at pro contest that would be considered "gifts".

Expectations for his next placing may be too high but he can not be over rated by using any logic. This is a fat f*** called Peter McGough being racist. If Ramy was caucasian, blonde haired Gunter lookalike from California, Peter would take out his lube and box of tissues instead.

[old-school-lifter]

its well known in the industry Mcgough is a fat british homosexual schmoe with a beard wife, ala blechman

[Big Chiro Flex]

if I had to 'choose' to have the physique of one bber, past of present, i'd take Ramy's.. i'd take it over Dennis Wolf, as well as Dorian and Ronnie... well, maybe Ronnie in '03, maybe...

but Ramy's 'weaknesses' are far less 'weak' than Phil Health's were 3-4 years ago.

Ramy's quads/legs are better than phils (and so are a lot of guys... i'd even venture to say Toney Freeman's legs are better than Phils)

Ronnie had shitty calves... dex had shitty calves. Even flex before he filled them with oil..... hell, non-white bbers with good calves are rare (except Aaron Baker and Vince Taylor, and Paul dillett... although Paul's half-white)... even Chris Cormier's calves aren't great, and he was one of the (if not THE) most solidly muscled & legitimately-built black bbers in the sport in the past 20 years. (actual, dense, 'real' muscle earned in the gym and not filled with oil.... save for his medial delts)

most of us here are bodybuilders, and i'd hope the judges are bbers as well... and we ALL should know that calves are largely genetic, and Ramy's seem to be about as 'developed' as his genes will allow. i'd guess he could MAYBE improve them another 5-10%, but even then, they'd still suck..... same with Ruhl's triceps, but then again, if Mr. O's placings were weighted heavily on calve development, Mike Mattarazo would've been top 3.

his delts have oil, so what... so are A LOT of guys delts... but his delts hold the oil very well, unlike A LOT of guys. (ruhl, Nasser, paco, dillett, cormier, ect... claude groulx's delts held oil well, as well as flex's delts held oil very well as well, except when he fucked up in his rear delts for a while)

I agree with much of what you say.

Ramy will place 4th.

PS: I don't believe he has synthol in his delts. Of course he site injects them like every pro, but he just has some massive delts anyways.

[OTHstrong]

I agree with much of what you say.

Ramy will place 4th.

PS: I don't believe he has synthol in his delts. Of course he site injects them like every pro, but he just has some massive delts anyways.

I must have over looked ESFITNESS POSTS HERE, BUT YOU BUMPED IT UP, GOOD READ.

I had my dispute with ESFITNESS but after reading some his posts he knows his shit inside and out, some of what he writes can only be known through hands on experince.

[Rajkapoor]

 If Ramy was caucasian, blonde haired Gunter lookalike from California, Peter would take out his lube and box of tissues instead.
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this

[Kim Jong Bob]

And i havent seen many on the bigger bb forums that say he will win the O  so whats the deal with callong hin overrated, most that predict he will do good predicts a 3 or 4th place and i wouldnt call that overrating cause he is so good that he has a chance for that.

[Parker]

Overrated - HOW? Was he supposed to place less than 1st at NY pro? No! So he got what he deserved. A fair placing. Other than that, he has no placings at pro contest that would be considered "gifts".

Expectations for his next placing may be too high but he can not be over rated by using any logic. This is a fat f*** called Peter McGough being racist. If Ramy was caucasian, blonde haired Gunter lookalike from California, Peter would take out his lube and box of tissues instead.

A young Gunter lookalike would lose to Ramy...you obviously have forgotten what Gunter used to look like...Odd wide waist, lack of detail in back...but he did have dense, real, striated muscle, though.

[Big Chiro Flex]

I must have over looked ESFITNESS POSTS HERE, BUT YOU BUMPED IT UP, GOOD READ.

I had my dispute with ESFITNESS but after reading some his posts he knows his shit inside and out, some of what he writes can only be known through hands on experince.

ESFitness is extremely opinionated and is a hot headed son of a bitch, but is vouch for him as being one of the most experienced knowledgeable guys here. Hes a Good guy and very helpful, just watch out when he's slamming the Tren 

[The Grim Lifter]

Everything he said was right.

Victor wasn't at his best and almost beat Ramy, definitely had far better finish to his physique. Ramy might just need a few more years but hopefully doesn't fuck things up.

[Wiggs]

One thing for sure, there are going to be some really pissed off people after this years Olympia one way or another. Between, Phil, Kai, Jay and Ramy. lolol.

[titusisback]

A young Gunter lookalike would lose to Ramy...you obviously have forgotten what Gunter used to look like...Odd wide waist, lack of detail in back...but he did have dense, real, striated muscle, though.

I'm referring to Gunter's marketable caucasian / blonde look. Not his physique.

[nasht5]

ramy is overrated due to the fact that the industry needs a new face at the top.

[Palpatine Q]

I see the concern here, however don't think this represents the IFBB, absolutely not, RAMY is a FLEX mag guy and the IFBB wants to put him up there.

This is only ''one white mans opinion"     .... maybe just a tactic to stir up the waters, believe you me RAMY will place well.

The quote about McGough being in love with Dorian is the real reason he's making pre-emptive strikes and trying to tear him down before he really hits his stride.

He is afraid Ramy will be the next great Mr O and doesn't want yates legacy threatened, so he's attempting to plant seeds now and create a negative "book" on him. so fucking obvious.....LOLOL

and then he gives him some bullshit half-assed praise to close it out, so it's not blatant.

[Kim Jong Bob]

Everything he said was right.

Victor wasn't at his best and almost beat Ramy, definitely had far better finish to his physique. Ramy might just need a few more years but hopefully doesn't fuck things up.

almost beat ramy? Where did you get that from. Everyone said ramy was so dominant no one had a chance. Look at the score card victor got 18 points and ramy 9 thats not almost winning