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Well it's not even debatable, it's do to the far right tards trying to stop a law they couldn't repeal 41 times already.
http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2013/10/1/us-shutdown-the-buttofjokesaroundtheworld.html
When the United States was forced into the first partial federal shutdown in 17 years on Tuesday, the outside world watched in almost disbelief. The U.S. government, which purports to be the world's foremost model for democratic governance, had ground to a temporary halt amidst the drama of partisan squabbling.
The international media were seemingly ready to cast blame, and Congressional Republican leaders bore the brunt.
From London to Beirut commentators have let rip, sharpening their pens – and their criticism - for one side of the aisle in particular.
“There is a frustrating tendency in American political reporting to adopt a position of "both sides-ism" – as in, "both sides" are equally to blame for the nation's chronic political dysfunction,” writes The Guardian Michael Cohen, before pointing the finger of blame firmly in the direction of the Republican Party
Cohen sees members of the GOP’s right-wing – including Sen. Ted Cruz of recent filibuster fame – as the instigators of this shutdown. He even called Sen. Cruz “the GOP’s self-made monster” in a separate op-ed last week.
“That the U.S. will have come to such a pass – for no reason other than the extremism of the Republican Party – is an important reminder of who is blame for the governing dysfunction that has come to define the U.S. democracy today,” he writes.
In Lebanon’s Daily Star, columnist David Ignatius pinned blame for the shutdown on Republican House Speaker John Boehner, who he says is “on track to be the worst speaker in modern American history.”
“Unable to control his own caucus, negotiate effectively with the president or pass legislation, he flounders in office – a likable man who is utterly ineffective,” Ignatius wrote in a Monday article.
A Tuesday editorial in The Australian contended that the world might pay a price for what the editorial staff sees as political maneuvering on the part of House Republicans.
“Using Obamacare as the battering ram in the Republican campaign against the President is both irresponsible and damaging for the U.S. and the global economy,” the editorial said.
The shutdown of a superpower like the United States – with its multi-trillion dollar economy – could conceivably send shockwaves across the globe, but international observers seem confident the crisis will be resolved soon enough.
Stock markets worldwide climbed on Tuesday as investors largely shrugged off the partial shutdown, betting that it would be short-lived.
Instead of dwelling on the potential economic consequences of a shutdown – which could be minimal if lawmakers can resolve the impasse quickly – the world is shaking its head at what is perceived as an absurd debacle of Congress' making.
“The world looked on with a little anxiety and a lot of dismay, and some people had trouble suppressing smirks,” wrote Kevin Sullivan in a piece for Malaysian outlet Awani entitled, “US shutdown leaves the world scratching its head.”
While Russia Today devoted an entire article to U.S. shutdown comedy, featuring noteworthy images and tweets carrying the #govtshutdown hashtag, photojournalist Lynsey Addario tweeted from India that the shutdown was not being taken too seriously.
“I'm in India, and my driver and translator are laughing at U.S. govt shutdown. So much for world's great superpower. It's closed,” she said in a Tuesday tweet.
Optimistic analysts in developing countries initially posited that there might be something else to smile about in the event of a prolonged shutdown: growth. They floated the idea that if the American economy stumbles, it could open the door for marginal growth in emerging economies.
In India, analysts downplayed those early predictions that a U.S. shutdown would be a good thing for their country.
“Expecting that some large amount of money would flow towards India based on this incident, it would be taking optimism to a ridiculous level” Sandeep Shenoy, Executive Director of Institutional Equities at Anand Rathi Securities, told The Economic Times of India.
“This glitch will get ironed out," Shenoy added, referring to the shutdown.
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A bunch of foreign journalists commenting...who gives a shit. And of course all these liberal countries would be putting all the blame on the last conservative group with some power in the western world. They can't wait to see america go full socialist. No surprises here
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;D
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Well it's not even debatable, it's do to the far right tards trying to stop a law they couldn't repeal 41 times already.
Stopped reading here. Nice Engrish, br0.
What is it with Canadians and their obsession with our politics? Fucking gimmicks. ::)
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A bunch of foreign journalists commenting...who gives a shit. And of course all these liberal countries would be putting all the blame on the last conservative group with some power in the western world. They can't wait to see america go full socialist. No surprises here
You Neos can only be appeased for so long before the civilized world has to slap you down. We did it in WWII. We'll do it again.
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The blame is self evident
one faction of one party in one branch of government can't get what they want through the normal democratic process so they have decided to hold the entire country hostage
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Will this gain them votes or lose votes in coming elections?
And anyone know the circumstances of why we had a shut down in 1995?
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A bunch of foreign journalists commenting...who gives a shit. And of course all these liberal countries would be putting all the blame on the last conservative group with some power in the western world. They can't wait to see america go full socialist. No surprises here
Where should the blame go?
Obamacare is law. Is not going to change yet the repub went ahead with the shutdown.
And the Europe thing. Thats how YOU think not Europeans.
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Where should the blame go?
Obamacare is law. Is not going to change yet the repub went ahead with the shutdown.
And the Europe thing. Thats how YOU think not Europeans.
So just because something is law it can never, ever, ever be changed? Why? Because democrats say so?
If that were the case, then where is segregation, why are women voting, why are fags allowed to marry?
Hilarious that it's ok for laws to change in order to suit the whim of the libtards.
If it can't be stopped because it's the law, why have Dems delayed parts of this law?
Fedral and state laws can be changed or done away with completely. This stupid health care reform is no exception.
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Did this guy just post an article from "al-jazeera" and expects to be taken seriously??
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You Neos can only be appeased for so long before the civilized world has to slap you down. We did it in WWII. We'll do it again.
I'm not sure who "we" is. I suspect you didn't drop into Normandy, face German armor at Kursk or hit the beaches at Tarawa. Neither have you served in the current wars. The "neo's' have nothing to do with this. Elected officials doing their friggen jobs are responsible. If the douchbag in the whitehouse would work with them, instead of whining like a bitch, this would be solved.
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Did this guy just post an article from "al-jazeera" and expects to be taken seriously??
yes...yes he did. And before we hear that AJ hires Americans..no shit, they're douchbags as well.
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http://nypost.com/2013/10/02/govt-shutdown-spreads-to-beaches-of-normandy
Obama is a turd
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You Neos can only be appeased for so long before the civilized world has to slap you down. We did it in WWII. We'll do it again.
I'm not a neocon. And clearly you know nothing about WW2
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Stopped reading here. Nice Engrish, br0.
What is it with Canadians and their obsession with our politics? Fucking gimmicks. ::)
you used a 0 instead of a o.
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So just because something is law it can never, ever, ever be changed? Why? Because democrats say so?
If that were the case, then where is segregation, why are women voting, why are fags allowed to marry?
Hilarious that it's ok for laws to change in order to suit the whim of the libtards.
If it can't be stopped because it's the law, why have Dems delayed parts of this law?
Fedral and state laws can be changed or done away with completely. This stupid health care reform is no exception.
DO YOU AGREE WITH THE SHUTDOWN BEING TIED TO HEALTHCARE DEBATES? IF SO YOU ARE A MORON.
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DO YOU AGREE WITH THE SHUTDOWN BEING TIED TO HEALTHCARE DEBATES? IF SO YOU ARE A MORON.
It should shut down just for being a piece of shit
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I'm not sure who "we" is. I suspect you didn't drop into Normandy, face German armor at Kursk or hit the beaches at Tarawa. Neither have you served in the current wars. The "neo's' have nothing to do with this. Elected officials doing their friggen jobs are responsible. If the douchbag in the whitehouse would work with them, instead of whining like a bitch, this would be solved.
Lighten up Francis. Let me enjoy the last true, legal military defense by the US, with everything following a war crime. When I refer to 'neos' I'm referring to the neo-nazi republican party.
'Neo' means new, 'lithic' means stone, and 'republican' means nazi.
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Lighten up Francis. Let me enjoy the last true, legal military defense by the US, with everything following a war crime. When I refer to 'neos' I'm referring to the neo-nazi republican party.
'Neo' means new, 'lithic' means stone, and 'republican' means nazi.
versus the communist democrat party right?
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Stopped reading here. Nice Engrish, br0.
What is it with Canadians and their obsession with our politics? Fucking gimmicks. ::)
Seriously, like we give a flying fuck what their worthless opinions on our politics entail.
at this point id take the opinion of ANY of the boards Canadians over Necro... dude isn absolute joke. Jag is more fredible, lol, and her whole shtick is to just hock gold.... and even she recognizes how full of shit both sides are.
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Again your grasp of history recent or otherwise is suspect. You post shit thats right out of the Leftist "don't let facts get in the way of a good narrative" playbook. It was the Left that was responsible for the negative press on the Tea Party. Your OWS thugs were the actual criminals following much the same things that Hitler and his nazi's did, prior to seizing power. They would ensure that businesses were seized, religion stiffled, free speech destroyed. The Tea party is none of those things. As for 'war crimes' you know absolutley nothing about WW2 or any war after that apparently. But hey don't let the facts get in the way.....
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Lighten up Francis. Let me enjoy the last true, legal military defense by the US, with everything following a war crime. When I refer to 'neos' I'm referring to the neo-nazi republican party.
'Neo' means new, 'lithic' means stone, and 'republican' means nazi.
Haha ok, whatever you say communist.
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DO YOU AGREE WITH THE SHUTDOWN BEING TIED TO HEALTHCARE DEBATES? IF SO YOU ARE A MORON.
Do you want to take a stab at guessing which party passed and amended the healthcare reform act by using a budget reconciliation bill? HEHEHEHEH!!
You are the biggest moron here. If you are from Canada, why are you arguing about things that don't affect or concern you?
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Lighten up Francis. Let me enjoy the last true, legal military defense by the US, with everything following a war crime. When I refer to 'neos' I'm referring to the neo-nazi republican party.
'Neo' means new, 'lithic' means stone, and 'republican' means nazi.
Look at this 8 year old chump.
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Look at this 8 year old chump.
Haha I bets she's a man hating feminist or something
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Seriously, like we give a flying fuck what their worthless opinions on our politics entail.
at this point id take the opinion of ANY of the boards Canadians over Necro... dude isn absolute joke. Jag is more fredible, lol, and her whole shtick is to just hock gold.... and even she recognizes how full of shit both sides are.
Coming from a heroin addicted convict.
I am a Doctor, I help people you probably steal from them. suck a dick till you hiccup.
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Coming from a heroin addicted convict.
I am a Doctor, I help people you probably steal from them. suck a dick till you hiccup.
You need help yourself
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You need help yourself
In what manner my OCD riddled friend?
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In what manner my OCD riddled friend?
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Coming from a heroin addicted convict.
I am a Doctor, I help people you probably steal from them. suck a dick till you hiccup.
You're a shitty, rehashed gimmick.
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So he's a canadian doctor? I though he was a rich financial wizard or some crap. Fury u really need to do a better job of keeping track of all these idiot gimmicks and who's who.
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Yes necrosis specializes in giving hot beef injections to his fellow canadian musclebears so in his mind that makes him a doctor
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Yes necrosis specializes in giving hot beef injections to his fellow canadian musclebears so in his mind that makes him a doctor
lol
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Yes necrosis specializes in giving hot beef injections to his fellow canadian musclebears so in his mind that makes him a doctor
I heard you and Neo vertical 69 with ankle socks on and always swallow the white "pill"
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Coming from a heroin addicted convict.
I am a Doctor, I help people you probably steal from them. suck a dick till you hiccup.
Man my life is all over this board... and you cant even get an insult about my substance abuse issues right. You fucking suck , canuck. And el oh-fucking-el at you being a doctor. Im fairly certain no patient would be able to deal with the level of condescending attitude you display on a dailh basis without beating you senseless.
you arent anywhere near as intelligent as you think you are, and it's fucking hilarious, as your whole fucking persona on here is to try and come off as smug/superior/arrogant. ... Unfortunately for you, you start typing and it all falls apart quicjer than you blowbyour load listening to Obama talk about leadint a country youre not even a citizen of.
maybe you should worry about Canadian politics for once, oh yeah, I forgot, no onr cares about Canada... not even its oen citizens.
So, in conclusion, choke on a bag of dicks and die you whiney, lazy,wpretentious dumbass
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What kind of a doctor is necrosis?
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Policy: Health Care
$175 premium for a young, healthy student? Thanks, Obamacare!
American media outlets were finally able to track down a mythical creature — a person who actually signed up for the Obamacare exchanges online.
But that person, Chad Henderson, admitted to the Washington Post that the premium for the plan he enrolled in was $175. Ouch! Wasn’t Obamacare supposed to lower premiums?
Henderson’s going to pay a $175 premium and he won’t even receive vision or dental insurance. He has contacts, so not having vision insurance is kind of a bum deal.
Henderson, as far as we know a healthy, 21-year-old college student at Chattanooga State Community College who lives in Flintstone, Ga., and works part-time at a day-care center, did not qualify for tax credits to purchase insurance, according to the Post.
Without Obamacare, Henderson could have received health insurance for as little as $44.72 on eHealthInsurance.com, according to Michael F. Cannon of the Cato Institute.
Read More: http://washingtonexaminer.com/175-premium-for-a-young-healthy-student-thanks-obamacare/article/2536798
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Policy: Health Care
$175 premium for a young, healthy student? Thanks, Obamacare!
American media outlets were finally able to track down a mythical creature — a person who actually signed up for the Obamacare exchanges online.
But that person, Chad Henderson, admitted to the Washington Post that the premium for the plan he enrolled in was $175. Ouch! Wasn’t Obamacare supposed to lower premiums?
Henderson’s going to pay a $175 premium and he won’t even receive vision or dental insurance. He has contacts, so not having vision insurance is kind of a bum deal.
Henderson, as far as we know a healthy , 21-year-old college student at Chattanooga State Community College who lives in Flintstone, Ga., and works part-time at a day-care center, did not qualify for tax credits to purchase insurance, according to the Post.
Without Obamacare, Henderson could have received health insurance for as little as $44.72 on eHealthInsurance.com, according to Michael F. Cannon of the Cato Institute.
Read More: http://washingtonexaminer.com/175-premium-for-a-young-healthy-student-thanks-obamacare/article/2536798
The first thing I thought of when I seen the article on this guy was..."This is a perfectly healthy looking 21 year old man who is getting completely ripped off by the government" then I clicked on the next news story of the day.
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The first thing I thought of when I seen the article on this guy was..."This is a perfectly healthy looking 21 year old man who is getting completely ripped off by the government" then I clicked on the next news story of the day.
Yeah, poor guy... :-\
Our Founding Fathers would be livid
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Seriously, like we give a flying fuck what their worthless opinions on our politics entail.
at this point id take the opinion of ANY of the boards Canadians over Necro... dude isn absolute joke. Jag is more fredible, lol, and her whole shtick is to just hock gold.... and even she recognizes how full of shit both sides are.
Ummm... Thanks... I think. ???
Actually my schtick is NOT hocking gold. I don't sell it, ...I get it for FREE (no out-of-pocket cost)
To me, that's the best way to get it, ...and I can acquire more getting it my way, than I'd ever be able to pay for out of my own pocket. I get to divert my money elsewhere, instead of into gold.
As for this article... ya, it's a nice article... technically & gramatically speaking.
Otherwise, ...it's content is worthy of lining the littler box. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying the Republicans aren't to blame... they are. But so too are the Democrats. The bottom line is BOTH sides are required to come together to pass legislation, and they failed to do that.
Yes, there are some very disturbing things in that Healthcare Act, and I can see some people refusing to let it pass for those reasons. Sadly, I don't believe that was first & foremost in the minds of Republicans. Their stated mission was to obstruct the President every chance they got. I think brinksmanship & posture is what they are all about. And they have no interest in serving the public, ...unless it coincides with their agenda.
My friends father summed it up beautifully in the Op-ed piece he wrote for the Denver Post...
"Trying to cast blame for government shutdown is divisive and not a constructive process for resolving current or future shutdowns. The House, Senate and the president have both rational and political justifications for their positions and actions. Together, they have failed to prevent the government from shutting down. We now wait as each party and institution performs in front of the media vying for political gain and to force the other side to capitulate. Let’s hold each of them equally and jointly to blame, and thereby remove politics from the discussion. Perhaps only then will they come to the table and talk to each other."
John Girolmo, Copper Mountain
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Policy: Health Care
$175 premium for a young, healthy student? Thanks, Obamacare!
American media outlets were finally able to track down a mythical creature — a person who actually signed up for the Obamacare exchanges online.
But that person, Chad Henderson, admitted to the Washington Post that the premium for the plan he enrolled in was $175. Ouch! Wasn’t Obamacare supposed to lower premiums?
Henderson’s going to pay a $175 premium and he won’t even receive vision or dental insurance. He has contacts, so not having vision insurance is kind of a bum deal.
Henderson, as far as we know a healthy, 21-year-old college student at Chattanooga State Community College who lives in Flintstone, Ga., and works part-time at a day-care center, did not qualify for tax credits to purchase insurance, according to the Post.
Without Obamacare, Henderson could have received health insurance for as little as $44.72 on eHealthInsurance.com, according to Michael F. Cannon of the Cato Institute.
Read More: http://washingtonexaminer.com/175-premium-for-a-young-healthy-student-thanks-obamacare/article/2536798
Your running with this lie huh? lol.
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Man my life is all over this board... and you cant even get an insult about my substance abuse issues right. You fucking suck , canuck. And el oh-fucking-el at you being a doctor. Im fairly certain no patient would be able to deal with the level of condescending attitude you display on a dailh basis without beating you senseless.
you arent anywhere near as intelligent as you think you are, and it's fucking hilarious, as your whole fucking persona on here is to try and come off as smug/superior/arrogant. ... Unfortunately for you, you start typing and it all falls apart quicjer than you blowbyour load listening to Obama talk about leadint a country youre not even a citizen of.
maybe you should worry about Canadian politics for once, oh yeah, I forgot, no onr cares about Canada... not even its oen citizens.
So, in conclusion, choke on a bag of dicks and die you whiney, lazy,wpretentious dumbass
I am nothing like I am on here. On here I dislike people, very much so hence the vitriol I spew. I also do troll quite a bit.
"Unfortunately for you, you start typing and it all falls apart quicjer than you blowbyour load listening to Obama talk about leadint a country youre not even a citizen of."
The drugs have rotted your brain, I can't even make sense of this fucking mess. Get on my about being lazy, your vs you're but you guy got another problem.
Where you not addicted to heroin?
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Policy: Health Care
$175 premium for a young, healthy student? Thanks, Obamacare!
American media outlets were finally able to track down a mythical creature — a person who actually signed up for the Obamacare exchanges online.
But that person, Chad Henderson, admitted to the Washington Post that the premium for the plan he enrolled in was $175. Ouch! Wasn’t Obamacare supposed to lower premiums?
Henderson’s going to pay a $175 premium and he won’t even receive vision or dental insurance. He has contacts, so not having vision insurance is kind of a bum deal.
Henderson, as far as we know a healthy, 21-year-old college student at Chattanooga State Community College who lives in Flintstone, Ga., and works part-time at a day-care center, did not qualify for tax credits to purchase insurance, according to the Post.
Without Obamacare, Henderson could have received health insurance for as little as $44.72 on eHealthInsurance.com, according to Michael F. Cannon of the Cato Institute.
Read More: http://washingtonexaminer.com/175-premium-for-a-young-healthy-student-thanks-obamacare/article/2536798
Want to know the funniest thing about all this? Turns out the guy lied and he didn't even buy insurance. The pathetic Obama knobslobbers on this board and in the MSM were duped by a college student who lied through his teeth.
Brilliant investigative work by the retards in our MSM. Looks oddly similar to the failed swipe at Shockwave the Necrosis gimmick made.
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Want to know the funniest thing about all this? Turns out the guy lied and he didn't even buy insurance. The pathetic Obama knobslobbers on this board and in the MSM were duped by a college student who lied through his teeth.
Brilliant investigative work by the retards in our MSM. Looks oddly similar to the failed swipe at Shockwave the Necrosis gimmick made.
No failed swipe, I stated facts, he was a drug abusing dope fiend. Unless he has a mental health issue it's a sign of weak character.
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Want to know the funniest thing about all this? Turns out the guy lied and he didn't even buy insurance. The pathetic Obama knobslobbers on this board and in the MSM were duped by a college student who lied through his teeth.
Brilliant investigative work by the retards in our MSM. Looks oddly similar to the failed swipe at Shockwave the Necrosis gimmick made.
Wow... Just read about that!
Desperation
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Ummm... Thanks... I think. ???
Actually my schtick is NOT hocking gold. I don't sell it, ...I get it for FREE (no out-of-pocket cost)
To me, that's the best way to get it, ...and I can acquire more getting it my way, than I'd ever be able to pay for out of my own pocket. I get to divert my money elsewhere, instead of into gold.
As for this article... ya, it's a nice article... technically & gramatically speaking.
Otherwise, ...it's content is worthy of lining the littler box. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying the Republicans aren't to blame... they are. But so too are the Democrats. The bottom line is BOTH sides are required to come together to pass legislation, and they failed to do that.
Yes, there are some very disturbing things in that Healthcare Act, and I can see some people refusing to let it pass for those reasons. Sadly, I don't believe that was first & foremost in the minds of Republicans. Their stated mission was to obstruct the President every chance they got. I think brinksmanship & posture is what they are all about. And they have no interest in serving the public, ...unless it coincides with their agenda.
My friends father summed it up beautifully in the Op-ed piece he wrote for the Denver Post...
WTF..
Congress has a rational reason for it's position of government shutdown? what fucking planet is he on? There is no reason for this, if they want to stop Obamacare do so with the available means, this action is terrible for politics, it makes the whole point of presidency useless.
They may not like Obamacare, I don't like parts, but their position is anything but rational.
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it makes the whole point of presidency useless.
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You sound like our President.
We have a brilliant system of checks and balances (when it's allowed to function the way our founding fathers intended).
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You sound like our President.
We have a brilliant system of checks and balances (when it's allowed to function the way our founding fathers intended).
You do know Obamacare was through the cute little graphic you posted right Roger/PIP?
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You do know Obamacare was through the cute little graphic you posted right Roger/PIP?
Yes broseph, although I don't believe the Supreme Court abided by the Constitution.
MASS REVOLT going on at Obamacare Facebook Page:
https://www.facebook.com/Healthcare.gov
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Yes broseph, although I don't believe the Supreme Court abided by the Constitution.
MASS REVOLT going on at Obamacare Facebook Page:
https://www.facebook.com/Healthcare.gov
Arent republicans pissing on the constitution when they refuse to vote/pass on the budget because of a law alreadyin place?
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Arent republicans pissing on the constitution when they refuse to vote/pass on the budget because of a law alreadyin place?
I don't think they're doing anything wrong. The Republicans aren't simply refusing to pass anything for no reason, they just can't come to an agreement. The Democrats are just as guilty.
I'm kind of relieved to see it's not just business as usual, where both parties conspire to screw us over together.
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I don't think they're doing anything wrong. The Republicans aren't simply refusing to pass anything for no reason, they just can't come to an agreement. The Democrats are just as guilty.
I'm kind of relieved to see it's not just business as usual, where both parties conspire to screw us over together.
The republicans are refusing to pass anything unless Obamacare is postphoned 100 days, right or wrong?
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The republicans are refusing to pass anything unless Obamacare is postphoned 100 days, right or wrong?
Big business has been given a one year exemption, Republicans are asking for the same treatment for everyday Americans.
The Democrats won't compromise though.
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Big business has been given a one year exemption, Republicans are asking for the same treatment for everyday Americans.
The Democrats won't compromise though.
And what do you think will happen when the 100 days have gone by?
Do you think its okay to shutdown the govern and killing jobs and the economy because you dont like a piece of legislation?
Lets say the dem shutdown the government because they felt the gun laws was to loose? You would be cool with that right?
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Do you think its okay to shutdown the govern and killing jobs and the economy because you dont like a piece of legislation?
I don't know, the Democrats don't seem very concerned with what they've done. They're even trying to shut down things that aren't controlled or funded by the Federal Government.
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The people who voted for Obama may have asked for affordable healthcare, but not this unconstitutional abomination.
Only winners here are big government and insurance companies.
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I don't know, the Democrats don't seem very concerned with what they've done. They're even trying to shut down things that aren't controlled or funded by the Federal Government.
Do you work for the GOP Roger?
Its the GOP who refuse to vote on a budget, so WTF are you talking about?
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The people who voted for Obama may have asked for affordable healthcare, but not this unconstitutional abomination.
Only winners here are big government and insurance companies.
The supreme court says its constitutional.
Dont you think the millions who will not be denied healthcare from now on is winners here?
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Do you think its okay to shutdown the govern and killing jobs and the economy because you dont like a piece of legislation?
so let me get this right, you think its ok to pass obamacare which has hindered the economy and killed more jobs than this shutdown ever will but you think its wrong to do this?
you also think that obama and dems hold no blame with their "no negotiation" stance?
LMFAO only a liberal foreigner could be that stupid, our liberals arent even that stupid.....
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so let me get this right, you think its ok to pass obamacare which has hindered the economy and killed more jobs than this shutdown ever will but you think its wrong to do this?
you also think that obama and dems hold no blame with their "no negotiation" stance?
LMFAO only a liberal foreigner could be that stupid, our liberals arent even that stupid.....
This is not the time to negotiate, nor is this an acceptable manner in which to force negotiations on something that has passed repeal 41 times.
Also, you are a moron, there is no evidence that this will effect business, nor do we know the economic issues it may caused because no one knows at this point, it's a novel experiment in US history.
Provide facts or shut the fuck up, 97% of Businesses are exempt.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/obamacare-wont-be-a-job-killing-catastrophe/2013/10/05/95c34b46-2aec-11e3-8ade-a1f23cda135e_story.html?tid=rssfeed
Job killer? what the fuck are you talking about, there is no evidence besides your made up fantasy that corroborates this. Why don't you pretend to know about something less damaging to others, like aliens or astrology, because like bell curves simple facts are over your head, you are the inverse image of the mean, average amongst the stupid.
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This is not the time to negotiate, nor is this an acceptable manner in which to force negotiations on something that has passed repeal 41 times.
Also, you are a moron, there is no evidence that this will effect business, nor do we know the economic issues it may caused because no one knows at this point, it's a novel experiment in US history.
Provide facts or shut the fuck up, 97% of Businesses are exempt.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/obamacare-wont-be-a-job-killing-catastrophe/2013/10/05/95c34b46-2aec-11e3-8ade-a1f23cda135e_story.html?tid=rssfeed
Job killer? what the fuck are you talking about, there is no evidence besides your made up fantasy that corroborates this. Why don't you pretend to know about something less damaging to others, like aliens or astrology, because like bell curves simple facts are over your head, you are the inverse image of the mean, average amongst the stupid.
actually there is plenty of evidence it will effect businesses you foreign moron, there are plenty of businesses citing obamacare specifically for cut backs in hours and lay offs.
Do some google searches, or do they not allow that information up there in canada?
I can agree that this is not an acceptable manner to force negotiations, BUT WE ARE HERE and if there is a default the dems are to be held as accountable as the reps for letting it happen.
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actually there is plenty of evidence it will effect businesses you foreign moron, there are plenty of businesses citing obamacare specifically for cut backs in hours and lay offs.
Do some google searches, or do they not allow that information up there in canada?
I can agree that this is not an acceptable manner to force negotiations, BUT WE ARE HERE and if there is a default the dems are to be held as accountable as the reps for letting it happen.
Show me the evidence moron, saying there is evidence doesn't prove anything, it just makes you look like you don't know what the fuck you are talking about. Evidence, evidence, evidence for your claims. So the 3% of businesses it will effect, the ones who already provide healthcare for the most part are going to suffer huge huh?
You play this game where you entice others to prove your point because you are too stupid to do it yourself, then abscond like a little fruitcake when backed into a corner.
Go drink some more you hot mess
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Show me the evidence moron, saying there is evidence doesn't prove anything, it just makes you look like you don't know what the fuck you are talking about. Evidence, evidence, evidence for your claims. So the 3% of businesses it will effect, the ones who already provide healthcare for the most part are going to suffer huge huh?
You play this game where you entice others to prove your point because you are too stupid to do it yourself, then abscond like a little fruitcake when backed into a corner.
Go drink some more you hot mess
LMFAO I dont play a game, I make statements that are easily verfiable and encourage others to google them as I have to find the proof.
Its obvious you arent even considering the evidence against your point of view bc you wont even do a 2 second google search ::).
LMFAO hahahah you think Im an alcoholic or something?
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so let me get this right, you think its ok to pass obamacare which has hindered the economy and killed more jobs than this shutdown ever will but you think its wrong to do this?
you also think that obama and dems hold no blame with their "no negotiation" stance?
LMFAO only a liberal foreigner could be that stupid, our liberals arent even that stupid.....
Obamacare is not even in effect how can it kill jobs?
To our Mods:
I thought you were supposed to back up your posts with sources and/or links but Tony always gets a pass.
Why is that?
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LMFAO I dont play a game, I make statements that are easily verfiable and encourage others to google them as I have to find the proof.
Its obvious you arent even considering the evidence against your point of view bc you wont even do a 2 second google search ::).
LMFAO hahahah you think Im an alcoholic or something?
I won't do your work for you moron, no one argues like this. You want me to prove your point, in a debate the other side doesn't speak for both sides. You are assuming what you say is true and then tell me to find the evidence. Meanwhile the thing hasn't even begun and it's a bigger job killer then the 800k jobs lost by the shutdown right? you fucking imbecile, there is literally no comparison.
Maybe god did it?
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I won't do your work for you moron, no one argues like this. You want me to prove your point, in a debate the other side doesn't speak for both sides. You are assuming what you say is true and then tell me to find the evidence. Meanwhile the thing hasn't even begun and it's a bigger job killer then the 800k jobs lost by the shutdown right? you fucking imbecile, there is literally no comparison.
Maybe god did it?
I am not asking you to speak dumb ass, I am telling you to seek the truth...something you should do anyway!!!
the 800k are temporary losses and will be back to work in weeks at most, not saying this is right either but its comparing apples to oranges.
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The blame is self evident
one faction of one party in one branch of government can't get what they want through the normal democratic process so they have decided to hold the entire country hostage
Even more simply put, I like this comparison:
A married couple are arguing over how much to spend on the family's next car. One spouse says, "We should spend X." The other spouse says "No, we should spend Y, and if you don't agree, I won't make the mortgage payments -- or let you make them either -- until you give in."
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so let me get this right, you think its ok to pass obamacare which has hindered the economy and killed more jobs than this shutdown ever will but you think its wrong to do this?
you also think that obama and dems hold no blame with their "no negotiation" stance?
LMFAO only a liberal foreigner could be that stupid, our liberals arent even that stupid.....
It is better than "OK" to pass ACA. It's long past due that the USA is joins every other 1st world country (with the exception of...Belarus, haha) by instituting some sort of universal healthcare.
BTW, let's see your links about the number of jobs that will be killed because that aspect of ACA has been exaggerated. Here's a good link to support my position:
The myth about job-killing Obamacare
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/obamacare-wont-be-a-job-killing-catastrophe/2013/10/05/95c34b46-2aec-11e3-8ade-a1f23cda135e_story.html (http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/obamacare-wont-be-a-job-killing-catastrophe/2013/10/05/95c34b46-2aec-11e3-8ade-a1f23cda135e_story.html)
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http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/10/04/blue-ridge-parkway-pisgah-inn/2923169
This is why this govt is worthless wasteful garbage.
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I don't think they're doing anything wrong. The Republicans aren't simply refusing to pass anything for no reason, they just can't come to an agreement. The Democrats are just as guilty.
I'm kind of relieved to see it's not just business as usual, where both parties conspire to screw us over together.
That's EXACTLY what's going on... check out the proposed cuts to Social Security & Medicare.
It's all one giant smokescreen. If Republicans really wanted budget cuts... they'd go for all the provisions in that bill that simply line the pockets of the insurance companies. No... instead the proposed compromise is on social security & Medicare, ...those are the negotiating points?!
No money for Americans at home, ...but tons of cash for useless, unnecessary wars that destroy lives, and endless tax payer debt to rebuild the infrastructures in the countries they destroy, ...while Americans starve in the streets...
You wanna know when the budget will pass, ...I'll tell ya, ...it's when all those government workers tasked with keeping the politicians safe, decide to walk off the job.
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The people who voted for Obama may have asked for affordable healthcare, but not this unconstitutional abomination.
Only winners here are big government and insurance companies.
IN TOTAL AGREEMENT WITH THIS!!!!
...and I was one of the ones so looking forward to seeing Universal Healthcare become part of American life.
But like Roger said that thing is an abomination. :'(
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IN TOTAL AGREEMENT WITH THIS!!!!
...and I was one of the ones so looking forward to seeing Universal Healthcare become part of American life.
But like Roger said that thing is an abomination. :'(
You mean its an Obamination right? ;D
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You mean its an Obamination right? ;D
Actually, from my perspective looking down on the lot of you miscreants, it's more like an ObamaNation! :'(
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I am not asking you to speak dumb ass, I am telling you to seek the truth...something you should do anyway!!!
the 800k are temporary losses and will be back to work in weeks at most, not saying this is right either but its comparing apples to oranges.
Thanks for telling me to seek the truth, thank god you are here to be the arbitrator of it. From now on I will assume you speak only the truth and agree with everything.
Potentially temporary losses, default will cause anarchy, the great recession will start again. However, the issue as I see it is that the world is in a worst place then it was previous to the GR and thus the effects will be that much more impactful.
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IN TOTAL AGREEMENT WITH THIS!!!!
...and I was one of the ones so looking forward to seeing Universal Healthcare become part of American life.
But like Roger said that thing is an abomination. :'(
Sorry what about this is an abomination. Seriously, win me over to your viewpoint.
I have heard fines etc, but that's pointless as it an artifact of the type of healthcare your striving for. The fine is as low as 95 bucks for poor families, yet they will receive some healthcare, therefore that's not an issue in my mind. Asking for exemptions personally seems unreasonable as it's universal and thus encompasses everyone.
The mandates are certainly required , or it wouldn't work period.
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http://www.ktnv.com/news/local/Lake-Mead-Property-Owners-Forced-Out-Until-Gov-Shutdown-Ends-226557661.html
>:(
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Nice article? It's just an opinion piece written by some hack, quoting other hacks.
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http://dailycaller.com/2013/10/07/obama-oks-illegals-march-on-mall-still-blocks-americans
>:(
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http://www.mediaite.com/tv/glenn-beck-obamas-intentionally-inflicting-pain-its-sign-of-a-dictator
Nails it - Obama is a punk
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http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/10/07/Leaf-peepers-shut-down
Insane - fuck Obama and his cult of shitheads
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;D
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Nice article? It's just an opinion piece written by some hack, quoting other hacks.
Who's to blame?
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Who's to blame?
If you're asking who is to blame for the current situation, it's obviously the president, by his own admission. From 2006:
The fact that we are here today to debate raising America's debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the U.S. government cannot pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our government's reckless fiscal policies. Increasing America's debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that "the buck stops here." Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303918804579107221209730080.html
The buck stops with the Hypocrite in Chief. It is a sign of leadership failure. Americans deserve better.
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^^^
Lmfao those for hard supporters like necrosis will never be able to process that. They will draw moral equivalents, point fingers and flat out excuse that quote
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If you're asking who is to blame for the current situation, it's obviously the president, by his own admission. From 2006:
The fact that we are here today to debate raising America's debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the U.S. government cannot pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our government's reckless fiscal policies. Increasing America's debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that "the buck stops here." Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303918804579107221209730080.html
The buck stops with the Hypocrite in Chief. It is a sign of leadership failure. Americans deserve better.
LOLOOLO. A quote from 2006 to lay blame in 2013, when he wasn't even president. This issue is the GOP's doing, solely, it's a fact, they planned it and Bachmann put it out there "this is what they wanted, it's the happiest they have been".
your quote does nothing but show he is a politician, it in no way teases apart this complex situation. Apparently you hold people responsible for things regardless of their sway. Congress wouldn't fund the government, Obama can not stop that, hence the shutdown against his wishes.
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LOLOOLO. A quote from 2006 to lay blame in 2013, when he wasn't even president. This issue is the GOP's doing, solely, it's a fact, they planned it and Bachmann put it out there "this is what they wanted, it's the happiest they have been".
your quote does nothing but show he is a politician, it in no way teases apart this complex situation. Apparently you hold people responsible for things regardless of their sway. Congress wouldn't fund the government, Obama can not stop that, hence the shutdown against his wishes.
Aspy boy seems upset that the man he creepily worships is a hypocrite.
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Aspy boy seems upset that the man he creepily worships is a hypocrite.
everyone is a hypocrite, the magnitude is the issue.
Maybe not Gandhi but it's human nature. Selfish genes are selfish.
lol at aspie.
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LOLOOLO. A quote from 2006 to lay blame in 2013, when he wasn't even president. This issue is the GOP's doing, solely, it's a fact, they planned it and Bachmann put it out there "this is what they wanted, it's the happiest they have been".
your quote does nothing but show he is a politician, it in no way teases apart this complex situation. Apparently you hold people responsible for things regardless of their sway. Congress wouldn't fund the government, Obama can not stop that, hence the shutdown against his wishes.
Yes, a quote from Obama about the failure of leadership and his refusal to support increasing the debt limit shows what a supreme hypocrite he is. There are numerous examples of him talking out of both sides of his mouth. The man is dishonest and incompetent.
And the quote from Bachmann was about stopping Obamacare. That's what they wanted. That's why they are happy.
Overall, I'm glad they're doing this. The government needs to live within its means. We have to stop spending money we don't have. And we should not be trying to copy socialist countries like yours when it comes to healthcare, or anything else for that matter.
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Yes, a quote from Obama about the failure of leadership and his refusal to support increasing the debt limit shows what a supreme hypocrite he is. There are numerous examples of him talking out of both sides of his mouth. The man is dishonest and incompetent.
And the quote from Bachmann was about stopping Obamacare. That's what they wanted. That's why they are happy.
Overall, I'm glad they're doing this. The government needs to live within its means. We have to stop spending money we don't have. And we should not be trying to copy socialist countries like yours when it comes to healthcare, or anything else for that matter.
Exactly. Necro would praise obama if obama took a shit on his face.
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Yes, a quote from Obama about the failure of leadership and his refusal to support increasing the debt limit shows what a supreme hypocrite he is. There are numerous examples of him talking out of both sides of his mouth. The man is dishonest and incompetent.
And the quote from Bachmann was about stopping Obamacare. That's what they wanted. That's why they are happy.
Overall, I'm glad they're doing this. The government needs to live within its means. We have to stop spending money we don't have. And we should not be trying to copy socialist countries like yours when it comes to healthcare, or anything else for that matter.
LMAO...
The fucking deficit is falling fast and national debt isn't nearly as big an issue currently. So you want it to go down even faster? you realize it is receding at the highest pace ever?
So your contention, if I am getting your inferences, is that while the deficit is falling at the fastest rate in history you want it to go even faster? even if it means harming the economy to "get the government to live within it's means'? sound fucking logic broham.
Your country ranks piss poor in "freedom", inequality etc.. you are approaching economic catastrophe over stopping a law and not paying your bills, and you need not take advice? typical fucking arrogance, no less from an uneducated fella such as yourself. Evolution, not true, global warming, not true, creationism correct. You live your life ignoring facts and others, your not needing advice from me or the world highlights this.
http://www.politicususa.com/2013/10/06/john-boehner-loses-melts-caught-debt-ceiling-lies.html
Now, from his own mouth, not months ago, stating the complete opposite of his current position. Not that it fucking matters in this debate, but since you thought a 2006 partisan stance by Obama provides evidence for your position now, it will stand.
So now we have two hypocrites battling each other with the fate of the world in their hands.
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LMAO...
The fucking deficit is falling fast and national debt isn't nearly as big an issue currently. So you want it to go down even faster? you realize it is receding at the highest pace ever?
So your contention, if I am getting your inferences, is that while the deficit is falling at the fastest rate in history you want it to go even faster? even if it means harming the economy to "get the government to live within it's means'? sound fucking logic broham.
Your country ranks piss poor in "freedom", inequality etc.. you are approaching economic catastrophe over stopping a law and not paying your bills, and you need not take advice? typical fucking arrogance, no less from an uneducated fella such as yourself. Evolution, not true, global warming, not true, creationism correct. You live your life ignoring facts and others, your not needing advice from me or the world highlights this.
http://www.politicususa.com/2013/10/06/john-boehner-loses-melts-caught-debt-ceiling-lies.html
Now, from his own mouth, not months ago, stating the complete opposite of his current position. Not that it fucking matters in this debate, but since you thought a 2006 partisan stance by Obama provides evidence for your position now, it will stand.
So now we have two hypocrites battling each other with the fate of the world in their hands.
What you talkin bout Willis?? Our national debt is rising. And we have a budget deficit. We are spending more than we take in. That’s a problem.
And your comments about freedom, equality, etc. are laugh out loud funny. We are the greatest nation in the history of the planet. That’s why people from around the world are clamoring to move to our country. That’s why so many Canadians migrate to the U.S. We offer a level of opportunity and freedom that no other country can match, on the scale in which we offer it.
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http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?section=news/local&id=9278336
Sick!!!!
Fuck this communist drug addicted Obama ghetto traitor and street twink
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Obama Admin Will Allow Amnesty Rally on National Mall During Gov't Shutdown
by Tony Lee 7 Oct 2013 2751 post a comment
The Obama administration will allow a massive rally for comprehensive immigration reform on Tuesday in Washington, D.C. on the National Mall, even though it is supposed to
Open-air spaces like the World War II Memorial have been barricaded since the federal government shut down last week, but an organizer for the rally told the Washington Examiner that the National Park Service will allow the rally and march.
As Breitbart News reported, immigration activists have called for volunteers to get themselves arrested at the rally in acts of civil disobedience.
The event will be a culmination of rallies across the country over the weekend in which immigration activists demonstrated in 41 states demanding amnesty.
A variety of immigration activist organizations, along with the Service Employees International Union (SEIU) and the AFL-CIO, are organizing the event, which they claim will attract 10,000 people.
Lawmakers in Congress like House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (R-CA) and Rep. Luis Gutierrez (D-IL) are expected to be at the event. Members of the House are trying to pass immigration reform bills that will allow them to go to conference with the Senate, which passed its comprehensive immigration bill in June that provided a pathway to citizenship for all of the country's illegal immigrants.
- See more at: http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/10/07/Obama-Admin-Will-Allow-Amnesty-Rally-on-National-Mall-During-Govt-Shutdown#sthash.q9r3OSTn.dpuf
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http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?section=news/local&id=9278336
Sick!!!!
Fuck this communist drug addicted Obama ghetto traitor and street twink
LOL - the absolute best thing about Obama is how everything he does makes you so angry
with any luck you will have an aneurysm before his second term ends
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LOL - the absolute best thing about Obama is how everything he does makes you so angry
with any luck you will have an aneurysm before his second term ends
I hope AF1 goes down w him in it
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What you talkin bout Willis?? Our national debt is rising. And we have a budget deficit. We are spending more than we take in. That’s a problem.
And your comments about freedom, equality, etc. are laugh out loud funny. We are the greatest nation in the history of the planet. That’s why people from around the world are clamoring to move to our country. That’s why so many Canadians migrate to the U.S. We offer a level of opportunity and freedom that no other country can match, on the scale in which we offer it.
I love the US but the freedom part?
You do know the US is the country in the world with the highest number of inmates right?
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What you talkin bout Willis?? Our national debt is rising. And we have a budget deficit. We are spending more than we take in. That’s a problem.
And your comments about freedom, equality, etc. are laugh out loud funny. We are the greatest nation in the history of the planet. That’s why people from around the world are clamoring to move to our country. That’s why so many Canadians migrate to the U.S. We offer a level of opportunity and freedom that no other country can match, on the scale in which we offer it.
I didn't say anything you are implying I did, as usual you just skirt the issue and ramble on. The deficit is decreasing at a record pace, fact. The debt is rising, but for many economic reasons this is not nearly as important.
Obviously theres a deficit otherwise, it's record setting descent is illogical.
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How are you a lawyer?
Let's have a serious discussion, what would Obama need to negotiate? outline the things he needs to negotiate listing both sides proposals. As I see it Obama is asking for basic functioning of the government while the GOP are fighting a losing battle demanding things such as alterations to an already enacted law through non-legislative means.
It's not logical.
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They hold the power to defund based on the Constitution. Further Obama unilaterally delayed parts of the law...a law you said in the previous post was past and enacted...so based on the Constitution and precendent set by your savior..the disgrace in the White House, they can do it. And based on the fact they are a legislative body with again, the Constitutionally mandated power of the purse, they are doing it with legislative means.
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They hold the power to defund based on the Constitution. Further Obama unilaterally delayed parts of the law...a law you said in the previous post was past and enacted...so based on the Constitution and precendent set by your savior..the disgrace in the White House, they can do it. And based on the fact they are a legislative body with again, the Constitutionally mandated power of the purse, they are doing it with legislative means.
Obama held up the regular function of government to uni laterally pass amendments? no. He also followed the proper procedures unlike this current practice.
First it was defund Obamacare, not it's basically set it up to fail, offer exemptions for everyone making the law useless. Ya real fucking negotiation going on.
There is nothing legislative, go read the fucking definition, they aren't enacting shit, nor are they following procedure for amendment.
He is the president you incredible moron, he has many powers.... are you unaware of this?
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I love the US but the freedom part?
You do know the US is the country in the world with the highest number of inmates right?
Why do you love the US? What country do you live in?
Funny thing happens when people break the law.
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Obama held up the regular function of government to uni laterally pass amendments? no. He also followed the proper procedures unlike this current practice.
First it was defund Obamacare, not it's basically set it up to fail, offer exemptions for everyone making the law useless. Ya real fucking negotiation going on.
There is nothing legislative, go read the fucking definition, they aren't enacting shit, nor are they following procedure for amendment.
He is the president you incredible moron, he has many powers.... are you unaware of this?
No, he didn't. Show anything that gives him the authority to delay 'parts' of the law. To stop Obama from doing what he did would require far more time, effort, and energy then just letting it go. As the Chief Executive he is expected to enforce the laws as fairly and justly as possible. That doesn't mean what he did is right and it has fuck all to do with proper procedure.
As usual, you don't know your head from your ass.
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I didn't say anything you are implying I did, as usual you just skirt the issue and ramble on. The deficit is decreasing at a record pace, fact. The debt is rising, but for many economic reasons this is not nearly as important.
Obviously theres a deficit otherwise, it's record setting descent is illogical.
more obama butt boy fanaticism.
the deficit is decreasing at "record" levels because it ROSE TO RECORD LEVELS!!!!
you dont get credit for bring it down faster than anyone WHEN YOU RAISED IT FURTHER AND FASTER THAN ANYONE!!!!
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Sorry what about this is an abomination. Seriously, win me over to your viewpoint.
I have heard fines etc, but that's pointless as it an artifact of the type of healthcare your striving for. The fine is as low as 95 bucks for poor families, yet they will receive some healthcare, therefore that's not an issue in my mind. Asking for exemptions personally seems unreasonable as it's universal and thus encompasses everyone.
The mandates are certainly required , or it wouldn't work period.
Universal Healthcare is one thing... but that's not AHA. AHA is an insurance company gravy train!
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Universal Healthcare is one thing... but that's not AHA. AHA is an insurance company gravy train!
How so?
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http://www.buzzfeed.com/bennyjohnson/brave-tourists-are-blatantly-defying-the-us-governments-dema
Good!!!
Fuck these scumbags!