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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Wiggs on October 06, 2013, 06:34:23 PM
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What's funny? I'm being serious. Dude is 3x Mr. O with a near perfect body and we give him shit like he's "Down" Hill. It's all good to make fun of his effeminate actions and occasional behaviors but there's no way you can deny the dude's physique.
Not that it matters to any of you, but I respect him as a Mr. O.
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Gapped teeth and wide nostrils of peace ::)
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What's funny? I'm being serious. Dude is 3x Mr. O with a near perfect body and we give him shit like he's "Down" Hill. It's all good to make fun of his effeminate actions and occasional behaviors but there's no way you can deny the dude's physique.
Not that it matters to any of you, but I respect him as a Mr. O.
Of course Phil won't get respect on this board. If he hasn't to date, it won't happen even when he is 6x MrO. I think from Phil's perspective he just has to sit back, laugh and not take it so serious. Melting down on the Olympia stage over shit we post isn't good for his reign. I don't know about legacy. To me he's about as good as his buddy Culter. They both showed up at the right time, post Yates and Coleman. He comes off a bit as the Kobe of bbing. People are waiting for him to make a mistake, and he does live Colorado.
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Clavicles of peace ::)
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People are waiting for him to make a mistake, and he does live Colorado.
We in Colorado love him. You can hate him and call him what you like. Just make sure it has 3x Mr. Olympia at the end.
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I like Heath. This board has always rooted for the underdog, though. Same thing when Jay and Dex were Mr. O. And to an extent, even Ronnie.
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He's nothing special. Why treat him as someone that is?
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We in Colorado love him. You can hate him and call him what you like. Just make sure it has 3x Mr. Olympia at the end.
fuck Colorado! I'm glad you guys love him. spent Two years in that hell hole, and I won't be back for sure in this life.
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He's the champ. We have to respect that.
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He's the champ. We have to respect that.
Phil "The Champ" Heath?
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No
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fuck Colorado! I'm glad you guys love him. spent Two years in that hell hole, and I won't be back for sure in this life.
Not enough tranny ass for you?
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Respect him about as much as Jay Cutler.
Two guys with a peptide-y look and structural flaws, who won in the face of unimpressive competition
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He's nothing special. Why treat him as someone that is?
this. a short black man whos not even built like your typical black guy. he is a hyperresponder to chemicals...
take away gh and insulin- no phil heath.
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this. a short black man whos not even built like your typical black guy. he is a hyperresponder to chemicals...
take away gh and insulin- no phil heath pro bodybuilding.
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I like him. I feel like he's a good representative of the sport and current generation.
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this. a short black man whos not even built like your typical black guy. he is a hyperresponder to chemicals...
take away gh and insulin- no phil heath.
take away GH and insulin, no bodybuilding period.
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I think the hate is largely an age/generational thing. Phil is viewed in the same light as a young new kid on the block of a retirement community.
"Get off my lawn"
"Dorian is still #1"
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Nope. Plainly speaking, he is not a good Mr. O. He is a good Mr. O because he is just lucky enough to compete in a shitty era of bodybuilding. Put him in the 90's or early 2000s and he would maybe be top 6. I just dont respect him as Mr. O because I think he had it easier than a lot of other Mr. O's.
He also parades around and acts like a "badass." ::) ::)
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His personality is a major turn off.
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Of course Phil won't get respect on this board. If he hasn't to date, it won't happen even when he is 6x MrO. I think from Phil's perspective he just has to sit back, laugh and not take it so serious. Melting down on the Olympia stage over shit we post isn't good for his reign. I don't know about legacy. To me he's about as good as his buddy Culter. They both showed up at the right time, post Yates and Coleman. He comes off a bit as the Kobe of bbing. People are waiting for him to make a mistake, and he does live Colorado.
Agreed the Meltdowns and slimmler to Jay .... Cutler/Heath were/are the "Fill-ins" after Yates and Coleman Eras
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Nope. Dude should be lucky to be making top 6.
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His personality is a major turn off.
What about his rock hard glutes and baby blue eyes?
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His personality is a major turn off.
Have any examples? Most of the vids I've seen of him he acts down to earth and all that other stuff. Of course during game time he puts on his game face.
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Have any examples? Most of the vids I've seen of him he acts down to earth and all that other stuff. Of course during game time he puts on his game face.
Sure. One is his post Olympia interview where he spends a good deal of time addressing his "haters" and justifying and convincing his position as the top dog. It was one of the most insecure and childish interviews I've seen.
He could be a decent fella for all I know. But there's been more examples than the one I've posted that have soured me.
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Sure. One is his post Olympia interview where he spends a good deal of time addressing his "haters" and justifying and convincing his position as the top dog. It was one of the most insecure and childish interviews I've seen.
He could be a decent fella for all I know. But there's been more examples than the one I've posted that have soured me.
Well he's probably the only Mr O to ever really be involved in social media. And when you're on top social media attracts a lot of haters.
If anything it shows how down to earth and real he is.
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We'll he's probably the only Mr O really involved in social media. And when you're on top social media attracts a lot of haters.
Not even addressing social media bro. But yes he's done some cringeworthy things there.
Im Addressing his post O interview, just like every MR O for the past 5 decades has had.
I'm not a big "hater" either. I love bodybuilding. But you see a guy do jackass things enough times and he loses your respect as a fan.
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Not even addressing social media bro.
But that's who he is addressing. Social media outlets matter in a niche industry heavily dependent on marketing.
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So he's a bit sensitive with the haters. Not everyone can hang in The Thunderdome. 8) But that doesn't mean he has a bad personality or anything.
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He actually gained a fan in me with the way he dealt with Kai at the Olympia. Totally took the highroad when Kai started pushing and let it been known to Kai and the fans that grapefruit boy was not on his level or worth fully addressing. Thats how it's done - Mr Olympia style 3x. 8)
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Phil is a good guy to hang with. He has interests outside of bodybuilding and can hold a conversation with anyone.
He always has time for the average gym members when he is here and would do anything to help promote a show.
When I hang out with him the conversation has never been about chicken and rice or anything boring like that.
Phil is a car nut and always end up talking cars, old, new, tricked up, stock or just ridiculous. He studies up on anything horsepower and knows his stuff.
The problem is, you guys only see him on a video or or hear second hand that someone doesn't like him but I can tell you, I have never had a bad experience or seen a fan treated anything but respectfully.
Dude is 3 X Mr O and a ripper bloke, I think it is time for him to be getbig approved!
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Whenever I've seen him here in Colorado he's as humble as can be. In my opinion he's playing the role the bb community has given him. I think he enjoys playing the anti-Kai role.
He's good for bodybuilding the same way Floyd is good for boxing. Yet I've never seen him go out of his way to disrespect anybody. Dude's a man, he has pride like anyone else.
He genuinely cares about the community here Colorado and in turn the community cares for him back. We're proud to call Heath our own just like we're proud of our 2X Super Bowl Champion Broncos. Soon to 3X-Just like Heath.
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I would respect him if he gains some weight on that scrawny frame, say 30 to 40 lbs..
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I would respect him if he gains some weight on that scrawny frame, say 30 to 40 lbs..
x2 - i want some freak factor - how big can he get those arms
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No!
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this. a short black man whos not even built like your typical black guy. he is a hyperresponder to chemicals...
take away gh and insulin- no phil heath.
Whatever his build works for todays era. Small frame gigantic muscles.
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I feel that the great Chiro Flex has spoken for getbig.com on this matter, I shall be of one mind and spirit with him regarding his disdain of Philip Heath.
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Yes if he rejects the Sandow next year and admits he is all arms I will have great respect for his candidness.
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NO. He deserves no respect and WILL NEVER have my respect.
He is cocky, arrogant, not manly, and treats others like garbage.
He does not deserve any thing he has. While families are going to bed hungry and people are struggling paycheck to paycheck, hes buying new cars and taking photos of his money. He should be helping those who need it...but hes not...and he wont.
Hes insecure, fake, and just a bad representaion of the sport. The complete opposite of what a Mr. olympia should be.
His shoulders are narrow, and his body looks just like every other dude out there.
In my opinion, worst Mr. Olympia ever. Worst human being ever. Worst soul ever. They should take his Sandow away from him and kick him out of bodybuilding.
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NO. He deserves no respect and WILL NEVER have my respect.
He is cocky, arrogant, not manly, and treats others like garbage.
He does not deserve any thing he has. While families are going to bed hungry and people are struggling paycheck to paycheck, hes buying new cars and taking photos of his money. He should be helping those who need it...but hes not...and he wont.
Hes insecure, fake, and just a bad representaion of the sport. The complete opposite of what a Mr. olympia should be.
His shoulders are narrow, and his body looks just like every other dude out there.
In my opinion, worst Mr. Olympia ever. Worst human being ever. Worst soul ever. They should take his Sandow away from him and kick him out of bodybuilding.
Good Post Gene.
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How can anyone respect a 'man' that has a purse?
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Out of the current crop with today's standards he is the best
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I like the way he acts. It seems getbig in general has a problem with people who are self confident and stick up for themselves.
I like that Olympia speech. he basically told people to suck his dick and he's the champ.
Its funny but sports figures from other sports, the major sports such as baseball football and basketball tweet with their fans and engage in social media... But here we have bodybuilding, which is a much smaller sport in scale and market, and our champion is supposed to be above that. ::)
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I like the way he acts. It seems getbig in general has a problem with people who are self confident and stick up for themselves.
I like that Olympia speech. he basically told people to suck his dick and he's the champ.
Its funny but sports figures from other sports, the major sports such as baseball football and basketball tweet with their fans and engage in social media... But here we have bodybuilding, which is a much smaller sport in scale and market, and our champion is supposed to be above that. ::)
But bodybuilding is far classier than football, basketball etc
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He actually gained a fan in me with the way he dealt with Kai at the Olympia. Totally took the highroad when Kai started pushing and let it been known to Kai and the fans that grapefruit boy was not on his level or worth fully addressing. Thats how it's done - Mr Olympia style 3x. 8)
"I felt that the champ was being a little disrespected..."
Coleman enjoyed all that pushing from Flex, Shawn, Cormier, Kevin, and Jay...
Back when Phil first came on the scene he posted here. We enjoyed his presence here, and Getbig supported him. When Phil stopped posting here, I believe it was due to his obligations to Flex/AMI/Weider, there became a disconnect with Getbig, plus he grew in popularity.
I respect Phil, is he Ronnie, Dorian or Jay? No he is not, he is Phil Heath, with his own attitude. G_Thang said it best, Phil Heath is Flex Wheeler with Jay as a guidance counselor...now, there is no guidance counselor...
Let the champ be The Champ.
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this. a short black man whos not even built like your typical black guy. he is a hyperresponder to chemicals...
take away gh and insulin- no phil heath.
How's a typical black guy supposed to be built? ???
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Whenever I've seen him here in Colorado he's as humble as can be. In my opinion he's playing the role the bb community has given him. I think he enjoys playing the anti-Kai role.
He's good for bodybuilding the same way Floyd is good for boxing. Yet I've never seen him go out of his way to disrespect anybody. Dude's a man, he has pride like anyone else.
He genuinely cares about the community here Colorado and in turn the community cares for him back. We're proud to call Heath our own just like we're proud of our 2X Super Bowl Champion Broncos. Soon to 3X-Just like Heath.
If u think the broncos are winning the SB this year u are nuts!
No defense and don't give me that "champ bailey" excuse like all bronco fans
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NO. He deserves no respect and WILL NEVER have my respect.
He is cocky, arrogant, not manly, and treats others like garbage.
He does not deserve any thing he has. While families are going to bed hungry and people are struggling paycheck to paycheck, hes buying new cars and taking photos of his money. He should be helping those who need it...but hes not...and he wont.
Hes insecure, fake, and just a bad representaion of the sport. The complete opposite of what a Mr. olympia should be.
His shoulders are narrow, and his body looks just like every other dude out there.
In my opinion, worst Mr. Olympia ever. Worst human being ever. Worst soul ever. They should take his Sandow away from him and kick him out of bodybuilding.
Yes bobert chick would have been a better mr O....
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His personality is a major turn off.
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I hate him because he doesn't respect the white towel
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Nope. Plainly speaking, he is not a good Mr. O. He is a good Mr. O because he is just lucky enough to compete in a shitty era of bodybuilding. Put him in the 90's or early 2000s and he would maybe be top 6. I just dont respect him as Mr. O because I think he had it easier than a lot of other Mr. O's.
He also parades around and acts like a "badass." ::) ::)
Could say the same about Haney, who ever was close to his size until his last win? He copped shit during his wins too. Just no internet then.
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I like the way he acts. It seems getbig in general has a problem with people who are self confident and stick up for themselves.
I like that Olympia speech. he basically told people to suck his dick and he's the champ.
Its funny but sports figures from other sports, the major sports such as baseball football and basketball tweet with their fans and engage in social media... But here we have bodybuilding, which is a much smaller sport in scale and market, and our champion is supposed to be above that. ::)
I guess it boils down to us not wanting our thong n' oil Champi-on to be "tainted" by the main stream, but at the same time, we yearn for it to be accepted by the main stream. ::)
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Nope. Dude should be lucky to be making top 6.
X2
WoooSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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Heath does not bother me at all. As long as Kai never gets an Olympia :-X
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Definitely respect him! People don't have to like him, his accomplishments in Bodybuilding are rare ! 3 x time Mr.O how can you not respect that? I personally have never met him , I don't know the guy so it's hard to say if I like him! He represents Bodybuilding well!
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What's funny? I'm being serious. Dude is 3x Mr. O with a near perfect body and we give him shit like he's "Down" Hill. It's all good to make fun of his effeminate actions and occasional behaviors but there's no way you can deny the dude's physique.
Not that it matters to any of you, but I respect him as a Mr. O.
"near perfect body?" not at all. Weird chest and average abs throw off everything that is near perfect, along with his narrow shoulder girth. Out of all the Mr. Olympia's going back to Lee Haney the only physique I would choose his over would be Jay Cutler. Heck, there are at least about half a dozen pros now I would choose to look like before Phil Heath. Respect him as Mr. Olympia? Absolutely. He is the best bodybuilder in the world but for 364 days I would rather look like the individuals below. Im sure I can expand this list.
1.Rhoden
2.Winklaar
3.Jackson
4.McMillan
5.Martinez
6.Freeman
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Phil is cool but i prefer the freaky mass monsters as mr o dorian yates, ronnie coleman and in this era i would prefer to see a monster like big ramy as mr o.
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NO. He deserves no respect and WILL NEVER have my respect.
He is cocky, arrogant, not manly, and treats others like garbage.
He does not deserve any thing he has. While families are going to bed hungry and people are struggling paycheck to paycheck, hes buying new cars and taking photos of his money. He should be helping those who need it...but hes not...and he wont.
Hes insecure, fake, and just a bad representaion of the sport. The complete opposite of what a Mr. olympia should be.
His shoulders are narrow, and his body looks just like every other dude out there.
In my opinion, worst Mr. Olympia ever. Worst human being ever. Worst soul ever. They should take his Sandow away from him and kick him out of bodybuilding.
Holy shit are you mad bro? LOL
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Holy shit are you mad bro? LOL
He is a little heated that Phil was being selfish and fanning himself with is "money fan"...that was totally not cool.
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Problem is, people get nostalgic and make both impossible and unnecessary comparisons. The dude is complete head to toe, comes in consistent condition, with EASILY the best separation in the game...if you've got your own prrsonal agenda to despise the guy you probably have far too much time on your hands...people act like the guy is a reformed paedophile...
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"near perfect body?" not at all. Weird chest and average abs throw off everything that is near perfect, along with his narrow shoulder girth. Out of all the Mr. Olympia's going back to Lee Haney the only physique I would choose his over would be Jay Cutler. Heck, there are at least about half a dozen pros now I would choose to look like before Phil Heath. Respect him as Mr. Olympia? Absolutely. He is the best bodybuilder in the world but for 364 days I would rather look like the individuals below. Im sure I can expand this list.
1.Rhoden
2.Winklaar
3.Jackson
4.McMillan
5.Martinez
6.Freeman
IMO aside from "conditioning" Lionel and curry are better
Richard Jones from 10 yrs ago too
RJ was at the O , still looking big
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So, what exactly do you call the "bodybuilders" of the 60-70s, where they weren't taking GH or insulin? Larry Scott, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Steve Reeves - they brought bodybuilding to a larger audience.
Wiggs is prob referring to modern bbing, without it u might as well do men's physique and even those guys use GH
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IMO aside from "conditioning" Lionel and curry are better
Richard Jones from 10 yrs ago too
RJ was at the O , still looking big
Did Richard Jones say when his next show will be?
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Did Richard Jones say when his next show will be?
I'm not sure my boy kevin P was at expo doing work and saw him, I did see pics and he looks in good shape , could diet down and possibly get on stage but depends on his legs
Judging from pics with him and stan and Tito Raymond, RJ looks like he never left the scene 10 yrs back , prob 200 at 7/8% bf??
Look up expo pics I'm sure they are floating around
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I'm not sure my boy kevin P was at expo doing work and saw him, I did see pics and he looks in good shape , could diet down and possibly get on stage but depends on his legs
Judging from pics with him and stan and Tito Raymond, RJ looks like he never left the scene 10 yrs back , prob 200 at 7/8% bf??
Look up expo pics I'm sure they are floating around
There was an interview with him a few months back and he looked pretty damn big...it was odd, it was like looking at Shawn Ray before he retired.
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phil collects shoes, handbags and remote control helicopter
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you can't respect anyone that looks like they are taking a massive dump in all their poses
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you can't respect anyone that looks like they are taking a massive dump in all their poses
What if they look like they are taking a semi-massive dump? Or a medium dump?
Isn't looking like one is taking a hard shit a prerequisite in posing today?
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Phil is a good guy to hang with. He has interests outside of bodybuilding and can hold a conversation with anyone.
He always has time for the average gym members when he is here and would do anything to help promote a show.
When I hang out with him the conversation has never been about chicken and rice or anything boring like that.
Phil is a car nut and always end up talking cars, old, new, tricked up, stock or just ridiculous. He studies up on anything horsepower and knows his stuff.
The problem is, you guys only see him on a video or or hear second hand that someone doesn't like him but I can tell you, I have never had a bad experience or seen a fan treated anything but respectfully.
Dude is 3 X Mr O and a ripper bloke, I think it is time for him to be getbig approved!
nice to hear a opinion from the real life and not hearsay from bodybuilding boards and youtube clips
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IMO aside from "conditioning" Lionel and curry are better
Richard Jones from 10 yrs ago too
RJ was at the O , still looking big
Richard Jones was too small and wouldn't be able to stand next to Heath. He got out for a reason.
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Richard Jones was too small and wouldn't be able to stand next to Heath. He got out for a reason.
That is why he said that he'd do the 212 division...which is funny because he is taller than Branch.
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Richard Jones was too small and wouldn't be able to stand next to Heath. He got out for a reason.
But his width would make Phil look like a little girl :D
Rich was a pretty wide bber for a 5'7 guy
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Did Richard Jones say when his next show will be?
He's shooting for the 2014 Arnold Classic.
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nice to hear a opinion from the real life and not hearsay from bodybuilding boards and youtube clips
Correct Bob but they cant handle the truth. Here it is again in case you missed it.......
Phil is a good guy to hang with. He has interests outside of bodybuilding and can hold a conversation with anyone.
He always has time for the average gym members when he is here and would do anything to help promote a show.
When I hang out with him the conversation has never been about chicken and rice or anything boring like that.
Phil is a car nut and always end up talking cars, old, new, tricked up, stock or just ridiculous. He studies up on anything horsepower and knows his stuff.
The problem is, you guys only see him on a video or or hear second hand that someone doesn't like him but I can tell you, I have never had a bad experience or seen a fan treated anything but respectfully.
Dude is 3 X Mr O and a ripper bloke, I think it is time for him to be getbig approved!
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Correct Bob but they cant handle the truth. Here it is again in case you missed it.......
Phil is a good guy to hang with. He has interests outside of bodybuilding and can hold a conversation with anyone.
He always has time for the average gym members when he is here and would do anything to help promote a show.
When I hang out with him the conversation has never been about chicken and rice or anything boring like that.
Phil is a car nut and always end up talking cars, old, new, tricked up, stock or just ridiculous. He studies up on anything horsepower and knows his stuff.
The problem is, you guys only see him on a video or or hear second hand that someone doesn't like him but I can tell you, I have never had a bad experience or seen a fan treated anything but respectfully.
Dude is 3 X Mr O and a ripper bloke, I think it is time for him to be getbig approved!
Nah. They would rather whine like women and talk shit about a perfectly ok dude.
I wonder if half of these posters aren't chicks.
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Tall Poppy Syndrome in full effect on getbig.
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IMO aside from "conditioning" Lionel and curry are better
Richard Jones from 10 yrs ago too
RJ was at the O , still looking big
agreed. Phil looks phenomenal from the side and back, but all of his front poses are thrown off by his narrow chest and abs and his arms overpower everything from the front which makes it look even more unbalanced. Jay's back lacked detail, Ronnie had a gut and weaker calves, Dorian had poor arms and Haney's arms were criticized too. No one is perfect, and this doesnt exclude Phil.
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Nah. They would rather whine like women and talk shit about a perfectly ok dude.
I wonder if half of these posters aren't chicks.
Nope. I just don't care for his physique is all. I prefer Wolf over Heath. It's not that Heath is "narrow", he's wider than I am, of that I am relatively certain. But that doesn't mean anything on the Olympia dais. He is somewhat articulate and believably more so than Kai. He just comes off as a counterfeit, diminutive snoblet of a man, if that makes sense. ;D
He couldn't hold the Oaks posing trunks but at least he wouldn't sniff them like Kai would.
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Tall Poppy Syndrome in full effect on getbig.
It would seem that way but it's not what Getbig is about...Getbig will cut down anyone regardless of where they stand of the Hierarchy's latter...
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It would seem that way but it's not what Getbig is about...Getbig will cut down anyone regardless of where they stand of the Hierarchy's latter...
Make a post without the word "hierarchy." I challenge you.
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Everyone picks on his clavicles .. the guy gives the best illusion and has by far the best separation plus he comes in shape. My only problem is his midsection and his posing .. but out of the current crop he is the best easily.
(http://muscletime.com/gallery-6578)
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It would seem that way but it's not what Getbig is about...Getbig will cut down anyone regardless of where they stand of the Hierarchy's latter...
That's even more pathetic.
One very simple question....why ?
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Everyone picks on his clavicles .. the guy gives the best illusion and has by far the best separation plus he comes in shape. My only problem is his midsection and his posing .. but out of the current crop he is the best easily.
(http://muscletime.com/gallery-6578)
a critic- And there Is nothing wrong with you saying something like this. If the guy was a getbig poster,or a gym rat of course nobody would say anything negative about the guy being narrow...feminine...etc. ..it would be nothing but nice comments. But if your the best bodybuilder in the world, or the best in the world at any sport the public has a right to speak their mind IMO.
He's the highest paid guy in the sport...yet he's short,black narrow, and has no pecs. Dennis wolf is tall white and good looking with a perfect structure, probably the best structure we will ever see on a white guy. For a guy to have a waiste and hips that small on that massive of a frame is truly something. You look at the guy's physique and you WANT to be a bodybuilder. I still can't believe he didn't win the O.
bullshit!
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a critic- And there Is nothing wrong with you saying something like this. If the guy was a getbig poster,or a gym rat of course nobody would say anything negative about the guy being narrow...feminine...etc. ..it would be nothing but nice comments. But if your the best bodybuilder in the world, or the best in the world at any sport the public has a right to speak their mind IMO.
He's the highest paid guy in the sport...yet he's short,black narrow, and has no pecs. Dennis wolf is tall white and good looking with a perfect structure, probably the best structure we will ever see on a white guy. For a guy to have a waiste and hips that small on that massive of a frame is truly something. You look at the guy's physique and you WANT to be a bodybuilder. I still can't believe he didn't win the O.
bullshit!
Spot on assessment of men in thongs.
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Spot on assessment of men in thongs.
You figure the guys defending him would see it like I do but maybe its because they don't see it like I do.... this fool is getting paid a million bucks a year to lift weights...while the average American is handing over their entire paycheck for a kit of gh this guy gets whatever he wants for free...
and your supposed to feel sorry for the guy? lol
Phil, I know your sensitive ...but if you can't take the criticism that comes from the average fan that comes with being a top paid guy in the sport, then why dont you just retire from bodybuilding all together and become a get bigger? . You'll be competing against 18 year olds on their first cycles, 40 year olds on trt, fake lawyers, , deadbeats, welfare mokeys guys working ...in addition to guys working 12 hour jobs who body build on the side....nobody will be able to handle a candle to you and and can post pictures of your physique while we all admire how great you are.