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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Bluto on December 29, 2005, 03:27:22 PM
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These days a lot of people on the boards bash the bodybuilders of the 70's because their lower bodies wasnt as developed as their upper bodies, well who says theyre suppose to be? You make it sound like the X-form is the final say in how we look at physiques and it's the "right" way to view the human body Why's that? What gave you that idea?
Apparantely most people outside the bodybuilding scene doesnt agree, how many male models, celebrities, moviestars and so on are famous for their incredible legs and calves development? Has anyone even seen the legs of Vin Diesel? And when talking about the legs of Jean-Claude van Damme it's his flexibility and ability to kick someone in the head with a spinning kick, not the size of his quads people admire.
A lot of people, even to this day, consider Arnolds physique the best of all time, even with his legs being noticably smaller in comparison.
And if you do believe that the lower body and upper body should match, do you have that as a preference for women too? If so, better stay out of the Symmetrical Sistas thead, because none of their upper bodies match their lower bodies I can tell you that... their symmetry is seriously flawed. Or the opposite, in this day and age of silicone breasts, better make sure the tits isn't too big compared to the legs, or calves.
And one thing more, some bodyparts are for some reason, accepted to be out of proportion and bigger... arms being one of them, why's that? Is it even possible to have too big arms?
Just curious how a "standard" and an ideal comes about. From what I can tell, most people in the world doesn't agree with it.
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That's becuase with the clothes people wear, most of the time you can't see their quads. Personally I think anyone looks rediculous with huge upper body and small legs.
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That's becuase with the clothes people wear, most of the time you can't see their quads. Personally I think anyone looks rediculous with huge upper body and small legs.
And why do you think that? Does that include Arnold? Or women?
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From what I can tell, most people in the world doesn't agree with it.
Thats cause "most people in the world" are a bunch of fucking idiots.
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And why do you think that? Does that include Arnold? Or women?
I'm gonna get bashed for saying this but I think Arnold was overrated as a bodybuilder. The reason why everyone is on his nuts is because of what he did for bbing, movies, fame, and his personality.
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Thats cause "most people in the world" are a bunch of fucking idiots.
so unless you take the proportions of, say ronnie coleman, over arnold, or even brad pitt for that matter, you're an idiot?
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so unless you take the proportions of, say ronnie coleman, over arnold, or even brad pitt for that matter, you're an idiot?
Yes, thats exacty what I meant.
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so unless you take the proportions of, say ronnie coleman, over arnold, or even brad pitt for that matter, you're an idiot?
Brad Pitt???? :o
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I'm gonna get bashed for saying this but I think Arnold was overrated as a bodybuilder. The reason why everyone is on his nuts is because of what he did for bbing, movies, fame, and his personality.
i think it's perfectly allright to criticize arnold, he could probably had added a little more mass to the legs, but the question is if having a upper body that overpowers the lower body from a aesthical viewpoint is a bad idea.
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Brad Pitt???? :o
well from a "normal" point of view a lot of people think he looked pretty good in troy, and it wasnt because of his legsize.
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i think it's perfectly allright to criticize arnold, he could probably had added a little more mass to the legs, but the question is if having a upper body that overpowers the lower body from a aesthical viewpoint is a bad idea.
Bluto,
We all have different goals. If what you're going for is a bar body then hey go for it but you'll look rediculous to people such as myself. Luckily for you "most people in the world" don't know jack shit.
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This is a good topic. I think there's a quality of muscle that needs bigger legs to balance it out. I was gonna site Levrone as an example, as his legs were awesome the first few years of his career, but near the end, he looked good then with smaller legs. I don't know, but this is a good topic. Sometimes huge legs make guys look like roid apes. Branch Warren, Paul Demayo, Mike Morris, everyone with the craziest legs have had a sort of look that implied functional incompetence. Levrone still didn't have that look, but you wouldn't have wanted to see Mike Francois with legs any less than what his were in his prime, either. Porter Cottrel's weren't overpowering, but they weren't considered anything like Arnold or Zane's, either. That guy that Arvilla posted the pictures of this morning had those sick, shredded meat-looking legs, too...probably not an asthetic ideal...the word "aesthetic" doesn't come to mind when looking at them, but guys with that mega-dosage look can be considered symmetrical. Maybe it has something to do with muscle belly appearance in the upper body. The longer bellies, like Arnold's biceps, and really low-inserting lats and drooping traps need longer-looking legs. Vince Taylor had sick (good) quads...they didn't make him look non-functional, though.
Shit, this is really hard to put your finger on. Maybe the best look for someone is the one that reflects their current persona/soul/being/mindset/who they are, etc.
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well from a "normal" point of view a lot of people think he looked pretty good in troy, and it wasnt because of his legsize.
Yes and the "normal" person thinks bodybuilders look sickly. Brad pitt was tiny in troy. In fight club he was only about 155-160 at the most.
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Shit, this is really hard to put your finger on. Maybe the best look for someone is the one that reflects their current persona/soul/being/mindset/who they are, etc.
^ WTF?
I think the most aesthetic physiques are those that are proportionate. No need to overanalize it.
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I'll be honest with you guys...I'm leaning more towards a "modified Pitt" than anything these days. "Modified," because Pitt, in Fight Club, looked like he lacked the size for his physique to look mature enough...his physique looked like your high school's pretty boy star quarterback...Pitt but more size somehow seems like it would be ideal. Glen Danzig had a meathead look, too, put into rock star context, and he wasn't even big really. This is hard. Speaking of maturity, I think that the typical pro physique these days looks like that of a scared child on the inside. Not like Shawn Ray, whose physique was pretty awesome by most anyone's standards...I don't think anyone can look at that and not find beauty, but achieving that was as hardcore as anything...he had bad ass quads but still didn't look non-functional...maybe it's still the waist that has to remain small.
I don't know...you want something that looks like you don't care TOO much...but also one that looks like you haven't entirely given up on life...
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^ WTF?
I think the most aesthetic physiques are those that are proportionate. No need to overanalize it.
OK, well no use reading the rest of this developing thread. LOL Go watch TV or train I guess. Or just tell me not to overanalyze. No use to overanalyze my overanalyzation...yes, it's a mind fuck. Don't tell me what not to do, goddamn it. ;D
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Not like Shawn Ray, whose physique was pretty awesome by most anyone's standards...I don't think anyone can look at that and not find beauty, but achieving that was as hardcore as anything...he had bad ass quads but still didn't look non-functional...maybe it's still the waist that has to remain small.
LOL
Damn McFarland, I was gonna post a Shawn Ray pic in my previous post but I was too lazy to find one. ;D
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I'll tell you what, Bluto. Post your pic and we'll all immediately know if you need bigger legs or not. I think that's all it comes down to.
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OK, well no use reading the rest of this developing thread. LOL Go watch TV or train I guess. Or just tell me not to overanalyze. No use to overanalyze my overanalyzation...yes, it's a mind f**k. Don't tell me what not to do, goddamn it. ;D
What the hell did you smoke today?
Can I have some :-\
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What the hell did you smoke today?
Can I have some :-\
Ephedrine/caffeine, I swear. The first day back on it's always a trip. LOL
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Glen Danzig had a meathead look, too, put into rock star context, and he wasn't even big really.
Glenn Danzig was pretty large for his height, and yes he was using AAS.
Watch the "Mother" video live and you'll see what I mean.
DIV
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Glenn Danzig was pretty large for his height, and yes he was using AAS.
Watch the "Mother" video live and you'll see what I mean.
DIV
Wasn't Danzig's neck too fucking thick? That's something that instantly makes you a meathead. Gary Strydom says neck training's an absolute "no-no," as that's one of the things that results in this, and I'd have to agree with him. And I don't know if another view of his was adopted from his not being able to develop one anyway, or if his sub-par back, by conventional bodybuilding standards, was a result of this mindset...but he says that too-heavy back training's also unadvisable. He says people like Ronnie, whose backs get so big that they have that "back hang" when relaxed, look "goonish." I can see that. Maybe it's just all about liking who you are. Gary likes himself, that much is clear. LOL However, he still says Arnold still had the best physique of all time, even though Gary's exemplifies the late-80's ideal, as opposed to the 70's look referenced by Bluto at the start of this thread. Gary's legs were massive, but still kinda held their aesthetism. Personally, on a bodybuilding stage, I think Gary and Shawn Ray's are 2 of the best physiques of all time. I liked Francis Benfatto's, too, but still wonder what he'd have looked like with better legs. I think there also may be a skin quality and the number and course the veins take in a physique that defines their appeal. Branch Warren looks like ground beef and his face never gets truly chiseled. This is where the choice of drugs may come into play. I just see him taking about 6 grams of strictly androgens a week, but I have no idea. Primo/tren/anavar/win are responsible for making that pretty shit come in. I bet Benfatto used very little test. Anybody know his philosophy there?
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Richard Jones' legs weren't considered that weak when he turned pro...but now that his arms and delts grew, and he hasn't been as cut, you wanna see him really blow them out...then somehow return to the conditioning that made him pro.
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I'll tell you what, Bluto. Post your pic and we'll all immediately know if you need bigger legs or not. I think that's all it comes down to.
I just thought it would be interesting to think about and discuss, it's got nothing to do with myself. I'm still a work in progress, but being tall I obviously need more legs, and especially calves, but if I somewhere down the road end up with a overpowering upper body, or at least somewhat, overpowering upperbody I'm not sure that's a bad thing.
And I do think it's interesting that people have such different standards, a guy is "supposed" to look a certain way, then there's talk about symmetry etc, but when it comes to the ideal of a girl, then the symmery issue is thrown outta the window. What if girls are the exact same way? What if they actually think an overpowering upperbody is more beautiful, sexier and wanted in a man?
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Wasn't Danzig's neck too fucking thick? That's something that instantly makes you a meathead. Gary Strydom says neck training's an absolute "no-no,".
Well Danzig wasn't a bodybuilder, he was a musician who lifted and used AAS. The neck is something genetically predisposed. I don't train neck specifically and yet I have a large neck as well. I only notice it because my girlfriend mentioned it, so I suppose my neck is larger than average. That said it's about what's important to you. I don't train with the intentions of being a bodybuilder, strictly for strength, so my aesthetics aren't that important to me. I always thought that was such a femmenine trait of bodybuilders......
Branch Warren looks like ground beef and his face never gets truly chiseled. This is where the choice of drugs may come into play. I just see him taking about 6 grams of strictly androgens a week, but I have no idea. Primo/tren/anavar/win are responsible for making that pretty shit come in.
Tren is better for getting that lean, condensed look........much better than Anavar or Primo. Plus it's more androgenic than either of those two, so it's got that added benefit.
Tren is less androgenic than Halotestin, but three times as anabolic as Testosterone.
Good shit.
DIV
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And I do think it's interesting that people have such different standards, a guy is "supposed" to look a certain way, then there's talk about symmetry etc, but when it comes to the ideal of a girl, then the symmery issue is thrown outta the window. What if girls are the exact same way? What if they actually think an overpowering upperbody is more beautiful, sexier and wanted in a man?
If someone is doing this for the chicks then I doubt they'll last long at it. Like I said before, we all have different goals and as long as you look the way you want, at the end of the day than thats all that matters.
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I just thought it would be interesting to think about and discuss, it's got nothing to do with myself. I'm still a work in progress, but being tall I obviously need more legs, and especially calves, but if I somewhere down the road end up with a overpowering upper body, or at least somewhat, overpowering upperbody I'm not sure that's a bad thing.
And I do think it's interesting that people have such different standards, a guy is "supposed" to look a certain way, then there's talk about symmetry etc, but when it comes to the ideal of a girl, then the symmery issue is thrown outta the window. What if girls are the exact same way? What if they actually think an overpowering upperbody is more beautiful, sexier and wanted in a man?
Like I said, based on what you do, and what you're inherently about, I don't think ANYTHING on a physique is absolutely necessary...to each his own when it comes to an individual's perfect development. Still, individual aestheticm tends to be universally perceived. What's the best physique? That's debatable, and there probably isn't a universal answer that could be agreed upon. Given the individual, however, most people can probably agree on a certain someone's best look. No matter what the body type, however, I think a physique, properly developed and mastered, is a near-perfect reflection of it's possessor's soul. This is why the point where an amateur turns pro is their ideal. As history shows us, turning pro is usually means a physique's mastery, or the 1 or 2 years thereafter. "Turning Pro" is usually the proper finish line for bodybuilding. Insulin and drug excess are probably required to surpass these size levels. Notice I said just size, and not conditioning. The added size hardly ever accompanies added conditioning...there is only a sort of quality change that makes them appear just as cut as before. After several years, though, you look back, and "no, they aren't currently just as cut as before." Shawn Ray refused to change his significantly after doing so, and likewise, this is advisable for many, IMO. I've gotta mention that Gary put on quite a bit of size during his career, and it fit, but only because, contrary to what I just said, Gary was still sorta thin looking the year he turned pro. He won Nationals in 1986, standing 6'2", weighing only 210 pounds. I think 215, fully cut, is probably the ideal for someone 6'1".
This is a very important discussion given the current state of bodybuilding. More time should be spent examining this shit right now, even if it means it's sitting on the fringe of "overanalyzation." ;D
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If someone is doing this for the chicks then I doubt they'll last long at it. Like I said before, we all have different goals and as long as you look the way you want, at the end of the day than thats all that matters.
Looking the way you wanna look usually means it's the way the chicks would want you to look, too. Nietzche said life was the pursuit of beauty. In the movie Adaptation, they stressed that the point of all life is to fuck and reproduce with something beautiful. Humans inherently are drawn to "beauty." That's what defines the term. We like beautiful people. Even celebrity fuck-ups who are beautiful are more likely to be positively portrayed by the media and embraced by the public. Babies smile at pretty faces and cry at ugly ones. The list goes on and on. There are ways of making "ugly" work, but that's a whole nother conversation.
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I think 215, fully cut, is probably the ideal for someone 6'1".
.....then what is the proper ideal contest weight for someone 5'7"?
Speak on this.
Stay true, Jeffrey.
DIV
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Looking the way you wanna look usually means it's the way the chicks would want you to look, too. Nietzche said life was the pursuit of beauty. In the movie Adaptation, they stressed that the point of all life is to f**k and reproduce with something beautiful. Humans inherently are drawn to "beauty." That's what defines the term. We like beautiful people. Even celebrity f**k-ups who are beautiful are more likely to be positively portrayed by the media and embraced by the public. Babies smile at pretty faces and cry at ugly ones. The list goes on and on. There are ways of making "ugly" work, but that's a whole nother conversation.
Sure but if you got an ugly face than the perfect body won't really matter much.
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.....then what is the proper ideal contest weight for someone 5'7"?
Speak on this.
Stay true, Jeffrey.
DIV
This is really hard to communicate in such definite terms...but at 6'1", with the proper bone structure and conditioning, 215 seems to have a universal appeal. You can go to the mall that way and everyone thinks it's cool. Maybe it's because at that size you can play the bodybuilder or the extremely athletic type, depending on your choice of clothing, and you still buy off the rack. You're more adaptable to varying environments.
Shawn Ray was 5'7" and 215, correct? Maybe 212? Yeah, you probably got me in a contradiction there. I'm stumped, because he was awesome...but maybe that's why I said "on a bodybuilding stage" in one of my posts above. That's not the only place I think I have the best chance to excel, personally speaking, and that 6'1", 215 ideal I speak of may be significantly influenced by my own self-perception. That's where I see myself being optimally appealing. I'm not that "bodybuilding gifted" to ever reach much more than that, so I guess I'd BETTER like it. But a drawback to a guy like Shawn's being 215 was that he had to play "the bodybuilder" wherever he went. It wasn't a choice. Sometimes you don't even wanna be associated with that. Oh well, I'm sure he never considered it an absolute curse, regardless. I'd like to hear his take on all this. I'd also like to add that the height/weight curve people refer to when you're supposed to be trying to predict a physique's ideal isn't a linear one. They say 15 pounds for every inch of height, and that's probably correct around the upper 5- to low 6- foot range, but as you deviate from that, the pounds required to look "proper" probably diminish or increase. I think that was formulated in reference to Steve Reeve's physique.
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Sure but if you got an ugly face than the perfect body won't really matter much.
I just think beauty operates successfully in many cases in and of itself. If you're perfectly hot, you don't need much else to make it in many cases, at least in today's society. I see alot of guys make ugly work, too, though, but it usually takes more than ugly. Chicks dig alot of ugly guys, and we all are drawn to alot of ugly dudes. For girls, on the other hand, that's tough. You'd think life's gotta be fair somehow, but sometimes it's hard to see how when you look at some people. Interesting shit.
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Looking the way you wanna look usually means it's the way the chicks would want you to look, too. Nietzche said life was the pursuit of beauty.
You rely on Nietzche way too much, Jeffrey.
The man died with Syphilis caught from pounding whores.
This is the one you idolize?
Do you see the irony here?
There are ways of making "ugly" work, but that's a whole nother conversation.
So where do you fit in to the mix, Jeffrey?
Are you a prettyboy?
Shawn Ray was 5'7" and 215, correct? Maybe 212? Yeah, you probably got me in a contradiction there. But a drawback to that is that Shawn had to play "the bodybuilder" wherever he went. It wasn't a choice. Sometimes you don't even wanna be associated with that. I'd like to hear his take on all this.
Knowing what I know about Shawn Ray, he didn't mind at all "playing the role" wherever he went. It feeds his ego and need for validation. Even if he was to get tired of the act, he still loved the way it made him feel, to have people admire him.
I suppose I don't fit inside the norm, being that I wear XXL Polo shirts and those aren't always off the rack, wear Loose fit Levis because regular size are too tight on my quads and glutes.
DIV
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These days a lot of people on the boards bash the bodybuilders of the 70's because their lower bodies wasnt as developed as their upper bodies, well who says theyre suppose to be? You make it sound like the X-form is the final say in how we look at physiques and it's the "right" way to view the human body Why's that? What gave you that idea?
Apparantely most people outside the bodybuilding scene doesnt agree, how many male models, celebrities, moviestars and so on are famous for their incredible legs and calves development? Has anyone even seen the legs of Vin Diesel? And when talking about the legs of Jean-Claude van Damme it's his flexibility and ability to kick someone in the head with a spinning kick, not the size of his quads people admire.
A lot of people, even to this day, consider Arnolds physique the best of all time, even with his legs being noticably smaller in comparison.
And if you do believe that the lower body and upper body should match, do you have that as a preference for women too? If so, better stay out of the Symmetrical Sistas thead, because none of their upper bodies match their lower bodies I can tell you that... their symmetry is seriously flawed. Or the opposite, in this day and age of silicone breasts, better make sure the tits isn't too big compared to the legs, or calves.
And one thing more, some bodyparts are for some reason, accepted to be out of proportion and bigger... arms being one of them, why's that? Is it even possible to have too big arms?
Just curious how a "standard" and an ideal comes about. From what I can tell, most people in the world doesn't agree with it.
what dumbass wants to look like a light bulb.... ::)
those types look like idiots and they are avoiding the "real work" in the gym.. :-\
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You rely on Nietzche way too much, Jeffrey.
The man died with Syphilis caught from pounding whores.
This is the one you idolize?
Do you see the irony here?
So where do you fit in to the mix, Jeffrey?
Are you a prettyboy?
Knowing what I know about Shawn Ray, he didn't mind at all "playing the role" wherever he went. It feeds his ego and need for validation. Even if he was to get tired of the act, he still loved the way it made him feel, to have people admire him.
I suppose I don't fit inside the norm, being that I wear XXL Polo shirts and those aren't always off the rack, wear Loose fit Levis because regular size are too tight on my quads and glutes.
DIV
I don't think it was syphilis that got him. There's a theory out there that attributes his last mental changes to a sort of spiritual transition onto another plane of perception that rendered his capacity to communicate with earthly beings ineffective. Oh wait, here it is...
The cause of Nietzsche's breakdown has been the subject of speculation and remains uncertain. An early and frequent diagnosis was a syphilitic infection; however, some of Nietzsche's symptoms were inconsistent with typical cases of syphilis. Another diagnosis was a form of brain cancer. Others suggest that Nietzsche experienced a mystical awakening, similar to ones studied by Meher Baba. While most commentators regard Nietzsche's breakdown as irrelevant to his philosophy, some, including Georges Bataille, argue that the breakdown must be considered.
DIV, it's always a love/hate thing with you, isn't it? LOL Speaking of contradiction, consider your handle...Division. You embrace goth chicks that dress like they're dead, love the color "pale," and glorify Tupac's early, "tragic" demise at every given chance, yet to hear YOU tell it, you're all about living life to it's fullest, rainbows, and you're simply too strong-willed to fall prey to addiction. Fuck physiology, you have psychology. LOL When talking about ME, on the other hand, you incessantly site what you've identified as MY natural tendencies to drift towards the darkside, as if it's a bad thing, and as though you want no part of it. Lately, you're a COMPLETE contradiction, bro. When I read your posts anymore, I assume you mean the opposite of what you say. It's still all good, though...no love lost. Like I said, you resent only in me what you've yet to find in yourself, but I honestly get the impression you're on your way to it, so I'm not mad. I'd have sent you this in a PM, but damn it, you're testing me again. ;D
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Actually Steve Reeves addresses the ideal bodyweight for someone looking to achive a Classic Phsyique and he had a baseline
height
5'5" - 160lbs
5'6" - 165lbs
5'7" - 170lbs
5'8" - 175lbs
5'9" - 180lbs
5'10" - 185lbs
5'11" - 190lbs
6'0" - jumps to 200lbs and it now becomes 10lbs for every inch over six feet
and here is the proportions chart for a Classic Phsyique
Arm Size = 252% of wrist size
Calf Size = 192% of ankle size
Neck Size = 79% of head size
Chest Size = 148% of pelvis size
Waist size = 86% of pelvis size
Thigh size = 175% of knee size
weight = 295% of height
Reeves also followed the Greek Ideal of the neck , arms and calf size being exactly the same size , but we're all not born perfect like him.
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ND, please tell me you didn't have all of that memorized! :)
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DIV, it's always a love/hate thing with you, isn't it? LOL Speaking of contradiction, consider your handle...Division. You embrace goth chicks that dress like they're dead, love the color "pale," and glorify Tupac's early, "tragic" demise at every given chance, yet to hear YOU tell it, you're all about living life to it's fullest, rainbows, and you're simply too strong-willed to fall prey to addiction. f**k physiology, you have psychology. LOL When talking about ME, on the other hand, you incessantly site what you've identified as MY natural tendencies to drift towards the darkside, as if it's a bad thing, and as though you want no part of it. Lately, you're a COMPLETE contradiction, bro. When I read your posts anymore, I assume you mean the opposite of what you say. It's still all good, though...no love lost. Like I said, you resent only in me what you've yet to find in yourself, but I honestly get the impression you're on your way to it, so I'm not mad. I'd have sent you this in a PM, but damn it, you're testing me again. ;D
Jeffrey,
You internalize what I say too deeply. Understand that I neither "love" nore "hate" you. To me you're an interesting character, but that's the extent of it. Entertainment. To be accurate I am both the "good" and "bad" in society and I know this about myself. I'm not a pessimistic, nor an optomist, merely a realist.
I don't judge myself against humanistic morality........I make my own rules.
I am a stark contradiction.......a dichotomy, both sides in defiance of each other.
I resent you, Jeff, because you are more intelligent that the decisions you make......in essence you dumb yourself down with your choices.
That's it.
(on a side note: pale bitches make the world go round)
DIV
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Tren is less androgenic than Halotestin, but three times as anabolic as Testosterone.
Good shit.
DIV
ACTUALLY TREN IS 5 TIMES AS ANABOLIC AS TESTOSTERONE. WHERE DO YOU GET YOUR INFO FROM?
TREN HAS A 500:500 RATIO TEST HAS A 100:100 RATIO, DO SOME MORE RESEACH BEFORE YOU GO SPOUTING OFF MORE UNINFORMED BULLSHIT DIV.
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ACTUALLY TREN IS 5 TIMES AS ANABOLIC AS TESTOSTERONE. WHERE DO YOU GET YOUR INFO FROM?
TREN HAS A 500:500 RATIO TEST HAS A 100:100 RATIO, DO SOME MORE RESEACH BEFORE YOU GO SPOUTING OFF MORE UNINFORMED BULLSHIT DIV.
Okay, big guy.......
How about you contribute to the Steroids Info & Hardcore
Forum, since you have this plethora of AAS knowledge?
Since you've been here you haven't given anyone advice over there, which is probably a good thing because I seriously doubt your ability to build a halfway decent AAS cycle for a newbie, much less an experienced veteran.
Prove me wrong.
DIV
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I don't know why some bodybuilders are so obsessed with leg size. Perhaps they are trying to make up for inferior upper body genetics. Legs are the one bodypart in which size and strength have little to do with each other. Just because you have big legs doesn't mean you are any stronger or more "hardcore" than someone with smaller legs. One can build massive legs by doing nothing but high rep leg presses and leg curls.
It is much harder to build a well developed and balanced upper body. There are far more muscles groups to train (arms, shoulders, chest, and back) when compared to the lower body.
The fact is, really big legs look stupid to most people. They can also be a real impediment when walking or hiking long distances.
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I don't know why some bodybuilders are so obsessed with leg size. Perhaps they are trying to make up for inferior upper body genetics. Legs are the one bodypart in which size and strength have little to do with each other. Just because you have big legs doesn't mean you are any stronger or more "hardcore" than someone with smaller legs. One can build massive legs by doing nothing but high rep leg presses and leg curls.
It is much harder to build a well developed and balanced upper body. There are far more muscles groups to train (arms, shoulders, chest, and back) when compared to the lower body.
The fact is, really big legs look stupid to most people. They can also be a real impediment when walking or hiking long distances.
I DONT KNOW MANY GUYS WHO HAVE BUILT BIG LEGS WITH LIGHT WEIGHTS.
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These days a lot of people on the boards bash the bodybuilders of the 70's because their lower bodies wasnt as developed as their upper bodies, well who says theyre suppose to be? You make it sound like the X-form is the final say in how we look at physiques and it's the "right" way to view the human body Why's that? What gave you that idea?
Apparantely most people outside the bodybuilding scene doesnt agree, how many male models, celebrities, moviestars and so on are famous for their incredible legs and calves development? Has anyone even seen the legs of Vin Diesel? And when talking about the legs of Jean-Claude van Damme it's his flexibility and ability to kick someone in the head with a spinning kick, not the size of his quads people admire.
A lot of people, even to this day, consider Arnolds physique the best of all time, even with his legs being noticably smaller in comparison.
And if you do believe that the lower body and upper body should match, do you have that as a preference for women too? If so, better stay out of the Symmetrical Sistas thead, because none of their upper bodies match their lower bodies I can tell you that... their symmetry is seriously flawed. Or the opposite, in this day and age of silicone breasts, better make sure the tits isn't too big compared to the legs, or calves.
And one thing more, some bodyparts are for some reason, accepted to be out of proportion and bigger... arms being one of them, why's that? Is it even possible to have too big arms?
Just curious how a "standard" and an ideal comes about. From what I can tell, most people in the world doesn't agree with it.
that post is gayer than a weekend getaway at the Neverland Ranch.
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OH AND LEGS ARE ALOT HARDER TO TRAIN "BRIAN X" IF YOU HAVENT FOUND THAT TO BE THE CASE THEN YOU ARENT TRAINING HARD ENOUGH, COMING FROM A PUSSY LIKE YOU I WOULDNT BE SUPRISED.
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HAHAHA. THIS IS COMING FROM A GUY WHO MAKES UP SHITTY FUCKING CYCLES, YOU DONT NOW SHIT BUDDY. IVE SEEN WHAT YOU POST, YOU'RE A JOKE.
If you don't agree with my cycles, then by all means..........post up your opinions instead of lurking in the background.
All this from a gimmick account.........who are you exactly?
DIV
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If you don't agree with my cycles, then by all means..........post up your opinions instead of lurking in the background.
All this from a gimmick account.........who are you exactly?
DIV
GIMMICK ACCOUNT? HAHAHA!!!
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If you don't agree with my cycles, then by all means..........post up your opinions instead of lurking in the background.
All this from a gimmick account.........who are you exactly?
DIV
just ignore this tool div, you know your shit on AAS that's a well known fact, double XL, hurricane beef, wizard of oz, paxil rose, cutri is a fag.
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DIV POST UP YOUR RECOMENDATIONS FOR A NEWBIE CYCLE, ILL CRITIQUE IT.
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OK, I'd forgotten about how tren's such a strong androgenic...so it's not just "androgenic" drugs that result in that look...my mistake again...but there's definitely something about test and anadrol in particular that give that look. It's the same thing that results in purple fucking patches on your skin. Ever see that shit on those offseason juice monkeys? I'd say it's the increase in red blood cell count and consequent blood volumization that results from androgens, but again, tren's an androgen that doesn't do all that. In definitely increases vascularity, but not all those spider veins and stuff. The veins that have no clear beginning or end in the offseason. It's not the androgen in drugs like test and anadrol, it's something yet unidentified. That's what I think. Maybe it's the water retention in addition to the blood volume increase.
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that post is gayer than a weekend getaway at the Neverland Ranch.
That sounds like something Adonis would say.
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my nose used to bleed every day on 2 Anadrol a day.
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my nose used to bleed every day on 2 Anadrol a day.
WHY ARE YOU ONLY 225LBS?
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WHY ARE YOU ONLY 225LBS?
i'm a hamburger shy of 230 and i'm totally clean right now and have been for two and a half years, plus i'm not a thirty percent bodyfat queer like yourself.
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Note that here that AGAIN, a valid, semi-philosophical, bodybuilding-relevant discussion we're in the middle of partaking in is being sidetracked by the likes of Sarcasm/WeedOutTheWeak and Double XL's elementary bickerings accusing each other of being "guys." There is something very peculiar going on in threads such as these. It's fucking bizarre if you ask me. Anybody got any theories explaining this shit?
And it's not in every thread on Getbig, either. Only these.
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i was talking about bb'ing, AAS, etc.
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They all sound like the same person talking, I swear. Perhaps a form of homosexual schizophrenia in one particular poster? It's like one fucking person having an argument with himself. Is there a way to ascertain if all of these 3 handles are in fact coming from separate locations around the country?
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They all sound like the same person talking, I swear. Perhaps a form of homosexual schizophrenia in one particular poster? It's like one fucking person having an argument with himself. Is there a way to ascertain if all of these 3 handles are in fact coming from separate locations around the country?
ask Ron, BTW i was coming in to help Div out with this double XL clown.
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Fucking weird, man. ???
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THIS IS MY ONLY HANDLE AND IM NOT A TROLL LIKE SARCASM.
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None of those guys take jabs at me anymore, either. Fucking weird.
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None of you guys take jabs at me anymore, either. Fucking weird.
i never did.
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None of those guys take jabs at me anymore, either. Fucking weird.
THAT'S CAUSE YOU'RE THE MAN, MCFARLAND.
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Cycle advice coming from you?
please say it isn't so
Who's that supposed to be?
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There's a clinically insane person posting on this thread.
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There's a clinically insane person posting on this thread.
YEAH, GARRAETH YOU NEED SOME SERIOUS HELP, BRO.
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my nose used to bleed every day on 2 Anadrol a day.
i'm a hamburger shy of 230 and i'm totally clean right now and have been for two and a half years, plus i'm not a thirty percent bodyfat queer like yourself.
How tall are you Sarcasm.A newbie cycle can vary so much anyone could critique on one.2 Anadrol a day makes your nose bleed have you seen a doctor.My cycle i have taken have included a all heavy oral cycle with considerable Anadrol. With the exception of this year when i have added Test and Deca injectibles.
Unless your a Pro bodybuilder as long as you train legs and have some good quad develpoment and thickness in hamstrings then i have respect but if you have a developed upper body with no leg develpment you are a pussy simple as that.
This talk about Arnold as a Pro is considered to have small legs when in reality if you were an experienced lifter with his legs you are impressive in my book.
Arnold in this day and age would have massive legs and a exceptional X frame.
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5'11"
i was taking the anadrol five years ago was 245 at the time, was also using test at the time too.
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5'11"
i was taking the anadrol five years ago was 245 at the time, was also using test at the time too.
I am the same 5,11 at 270 when training and cycling, lean 32 inch waist with religous training of legs, now that the holiday period is here have not trained in 12 weeks i,m 280 with a 40 inch waist HAHA Kamali training.
Oral cycles must effect every body differently ive used heavy cycles and my liver and kidneys are elevated but within safe parameters when Liver damage is concerned.
Final say on leg training if you only train upperbody and no leg training your A PUSSY.
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BUT HEY, "BRIAN X" SAYS BUILDING YOUR UPPERBODY IS MUCH HARDER, AND "BRIAN X" IS ALWAYS RIGHT SO HE MUST BE RIGHT, RIGHT?
I hate squats when i go heavy i usually puke, some gym rats i have talked to say they do not like squatting so they ignore leg training "Wrong i tell them" you can i always use the leg press very enjoyable exercise, leg extensions and leg curls are easy.The only time i have seen bad legs on someone who trains them properly is extreme ectomorphs and that i quite rare.
Use the darkside of the force and train fvcking legs.
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I take pride in my legs. Everybody at the gym wants big arms, but only the serious bros squat heavy. >:(
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OK, I'd forgotten about how tren's such a strong androgenic...so it's not just "androgenic" drugs that result in that look...my mistake again...but there's definitely something about test and anadrol in particular that give that look. It's the same thing that results in purple fucking patches on your skin. Ever see that shit on those offseason juice monkeys? I'd say it's the increase in red blood cell count and consequent blood volumization that results from androgens, but again, tren's an androgen that doesn't do all that. In definitely increases vascularity, but not all those spider veins and stuff. The veins that have no clear beginning or end in the offseason. It's not the androgen in drugs like test and anadrol, it's something yet unidentified. That's what I think. Maybe it's the water retention in addition to the blood volume increase.
Jeffrey,
I think you've already explained it. Elevated RBC counts clog the arteries and veins imparting red splotches which are prominent on white bodybuilders. Cutler is infamous for this in the off-season. I don't think there's any hidden variable here.
Trenbolone is probably the highly sought after AAS right now, considering it's price. The fact that it's not currently on the pharmaceutical market means that UG Labs are raking in the greenery.
DIV
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Cycle advice coming from you "Double XL"?
please say it isn't so
ooops somebody just got...
OWNED!
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I hate squats when i go heavy i usually puke, some gym rats i have talked to say they do not like squatting so they ignore leg training "Wrong i tell them" you can i always use the leg press very enjoyable exercise, leg extensions and leg curls are easy.The only time i have seen bad legs on someone who trains them properly is extreme ectomorphs and that i quite rare.
Use the darkside of the force and train fvcking legs.
I feel as though I "have" to squat because it's one of the basic lifts. But when I do squats the next day my glutes and ham are sore as hell and I don't feel shit in my quads. anybody else have this problem and what did you do to get more out of your squats? It's bizarre because I can work with some respectable weights and I get no feel.
Let me say in advance this is a serious question so spare me the 5000 "sore ass" jokes Sarc, we can mangle each other on the Y board. I'm looking for some advice.
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ooops somebody just got...
OWNED!
WHO?
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Your stance might be too wide. The wider the stance, the more your ass gets involved...hence the ledge butt on powerlifters. And/or point your toes inward a bit more.
You can also try front squats (bar on your pecs instead of across your back). I never had enough patience to learn to balance that shit tho...
don't point your toes inward, really not good, you look like you know your stuff on lifting Garraeth but that's not good, on front squats just drop straight down instead of straight back as in regular squats.
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hahahaha, i was being serious for once.
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gayer than calling a man's body..."ideal" ::)
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Gayer than seeing sarcasm in his "glory days"
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Gayer than wearing a condom while fondling your mum.
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Gayer than wearing a condom while fondling your mum.
Join the contest by playing "your own stuff".
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Gayer than thinking Amy Lee is more attractive than Sandali Sinha
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Gayer than thinking Amy Lee is more attractive than Sandali Sinha
Amy Lee is way more attractive than Sandali Sinha. Hope this helps.