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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Steroids Info & Hardcore => Topic started by: dj181 on November 04, 2013, 12:09:32 PM
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deca and dbol in the off-season
primo and winny pre-contest
(http://wellnesseperformance.blogosfere.it/images/3/Frank%20Zane.jpg)
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Yeah plus a boat load of other stuff. Seriously......
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Everything they could get their hands on, in massive amounts.
Many guys admit to taking 200+mg of Dbol and several CC's of Deca every day for extended periods.
I think they focused more on dieting most of the year and never got fat.
The only person i've ever spoken to that was actually around these guys back then said they used shitloads of AAS and trained like animals. Most guys didn't really believe in "cutting" drugs, but they did change up what they used pre-contest to try and look better.
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Zane used lots of T3 long stretches .... Arnold used HGH the original human cadaver kind ... so you keep hoping we will say they took 20mg dbols ED only for contest prep
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flinstones genetics are much better than frank zane's. Stil cant believe this guy is a legend, blows my mind
Someone's feeling good today ;D
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dj181 secretly hoping they only did orals, which is completely ridicuylous assumption, and then even more ridiculously thinking he can have the same results with only orals.
this is the purpose of this thread.redictable, boring, repetitive.
meanwhile,half his life has passed and hes nowhere near,nor will he be.
years of nonstop steroids and gh ABUSE might get him somewhere close.about a decade.
running only orals will only do 1 thing, get you hospitalized with liver failure eventualy.
dont believe it?carry on,then
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They didn't use massive amounts as they do today nor were they on constantly.... some did cycle off half the year or would bridge/cruise
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Hope you didn't take my comment the wrong way flint. You look good there man, maybe you do have better genetics than zane what do I know. But don't you think you would make a stronger case for your point if you put up a pic at 4% bf, hairless and tanned in a glittery thong? (no homo)
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Hope you didn't take my comment the wrong way flint. You look good there man, maybe you do have better genetics than zane what do I know. But don't you think you would make a stronger case for your point if you put up a pic at 4% bf, hairless and tanned in a glittery thong? (no homo)
HAAH ;D
I was just partially trolling...the guy had a good look but I mean there are black gym rats at the local ymca who destroy him in every city...and the dude is considered One of the greatest bodybuilders of all time. one of those wtf's
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HAAH ;D
I was just partially trolling...the guy had a good look but I mean there are black gym rats at the local ymca who destroy him in every city...and the dude is considered One of the greatest bodybuilders of all time. one of those wtf's
I know what you mean...in some poses he doesn't look impressive at all. He looks his best with arms in the air, with the body slightly tilted to the side. A lot of the praise he gets is just for being there during that era. He didn't have freaky size but as you mentioned, getting more tail before when "smaller" than what's the point of having freaky size...I don't know.
(http://i50.tinypic.com/10hvjev.jpg)
(http://www.frankzane.com/images/cover_c.jpg)
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(http://www.bodybuildingdungeon.com/forums/attachments/old-school-pictures/6021d1173653729-frank-zane-frankzane9-1-.jpg)
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lookng good there flintstone, youre graced with chest genetics where you can get away with being bit fatter than shredded and get away with it.
btw, everyone asks what the old school guys took for drugs.
but nobody asks what did they eat?what was their diets like?
dj181 you think they ate like you do? ::)
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again "diet" means almost nothing, and i still stand by that assertion
"diet" only means something with regards to overall calorie intake and getting enough protien which still ain't that much
here's the thing... i don't want to be as "big" as those guys even, so why the fuck would i take shitloads of gear ???
and here's a PROMISE (and yeah, please call me out on this, coz you will get badly owned ;))
i will have LEGIT RIPPED 17 inch arms @ 80 kg or less by the end of january ;)
fyi, i had 14 1/3 inch arms @ 70 kg
soon...................
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"shitloads of gear" is a relative term.
what determines how 'big' you get is food more than drugs. if you eat the same, you can take all the drugs you want and not get bigger... only leaner, denser, harder, grainy-er, vascular, freakier, ect...
if i "overeat" i just get fatter
if i increase training loads while eating in a slight surplus i get bigger without getting fatter
case in point... my hack squat has increased from 75 kg for 4 reps til failure to 105 kg for 5 reps til failure and my quads are bigger, no question about it
now if i just ate more and didn't increase my training loads then i would have just gotten fatter
training IS KEY, progressive training in fact
lift the same loads and keep the same size muscles, lift heavier loads and gain larger muscles
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Hey dj did you see this one?
(http://i40.tinypic.com/29573uh.gif)
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All you need to eat is enough slightly over Calorie maintenance for your body weight to maintain a positive nitrogen balance to gain size overeating will just be fat that you have to lose later. Train as heavy as you can and keep workouts to a minimum due to recovery being a key in gaining muscle. If we didnt have to go heavier then everyone could just gain on 100 lb bench presses for years.
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All you need to eat is enough slightly over Calorie maintenance for your body weight to maintain a positive nitrogen balance to gain size overeating will just be fat that you have to lose later. Train as heavy as you can and keep workouts to a minimum due to recovery being a key in gaining muscle. If we didnt have to go heavier then everyone could just gain on 100 lb bench presses for years.
yep
and to B, nice jab at me, jealousy is a real bitch ain't it ;)
where's your progress pics holmes ???
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yep
and to B, nice jab at me, jealousy is a real bitch ain't it ;)
where's your progress pics holmes ???
ahhahahaha
Now I remember why I don't take you serious.
Dj don't be cluttering our board with your autistic posts please go do that somewhere else.
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I don't mind your crap anywhere else but here dj...
Seriously considering talking to mods about voting to ban you from posting on this section like the Y did with shitsoul. Nothing good ever comes from you posting on this board...
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ahhahahaha
Now I remember why I don't take you serious.
Dj don't be cluttering our board with your autistic posts please go do that somewhere else.
p.s. this "hahahahahaha" horseshit signifies my assumption was right ;)
anyways, what the fuck are you talking about my posts cluttering the board dipshit
i said what my experience was and i talk about what i'm going to accomplish, and that's it, so show me where i attack others without being attacked first
here's the thing... i don't, but you and many others here sure as hell do
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p.s. this "hahahahahaha" horseshit signifies my assumption was right ;)
anyways, what the fuck are you talking about my posts cluttering the board dipshit
i said what my experience was and i talk about what i'm going to accomplish, and that's it, so show me where i attack others without being attacked first
here's the thing... i don't, but you and many others here sure as hell do
Really busy right now but I'll break it down quick.
Its the repetitive bs you've been posting ever since you registered...a broken record that has never been replaced.
-talking about yourself as if anyone else cares
-training overload
-diet/crap
-mentzer calling you wildhorse over the telephone once
-"wifey" who was probably just a girl you dated a little bit back in 1993
-racial stuff
-the jm guy ...don't know his name, some powerlifter guy
Its all this bullshit, your autistic ass has been repeating to death. When you ask questions you do so for no reason other than to play that broken record.... boring and annoying everyone forced to listen to it.
Just do it somewhere else nobody wants it here.
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X100
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Really busy right now but I'll break it down quick.
Its the repetitive bs you've been posting ever since you registered...a broken record that has never been replaced.
-talking about yourself as if anyone else cares
-training overload
-diet/crap
-mentzer calling you wildhorse over the telephone once
-"wifey" who was probably just a girl you dated a little bit back in 1993
-racial stuff
-the jm guy ...don't know his name, some powerlifter guy
Its all this bullshit, your autistic ass has been repeating to death. When you ask questions you do so for no reason other than to play that broken record.... boring and annoying everyone forced to listen to it.
Just do it somewhere else nobody wants it here.
you knwo when drunks repeat their stories 5 times in 15minutes?same with him.
its not so hard, can read arnolds book,then one would know what they took, how they trained and the diet,which i found most interesting.
gymrats ahve similiar drug use to these guys, they didnt realy use gh insulin, so itd make totaly sense to look up their diets.
using the diet of insulin and gh user will not be any good for a guy on just steroids
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Really busy right now but I'll break it down quick.
Its the repetitive bs you've been posting ever since you registered...a broken record that has never been replaced.
-talking about yourself as if anyone else cares
-training overload
-diet/crap
-mentzer calling you wildhorse over the telephone once
-"wifey" who was probably just a girl you dated a little bit back in 1993
-racial stuff
-the jm guy ...don't know his name, some powerlifter guy
Its all this bullshit, your autistic ass has been repeating to death. When you ask questions you do so for no reason other than to play that broken record.... boring and annoying everyone forced to listen to it.
Just do it somewhere else nobody wants it here.
JM barkey or something, famous powerlifter who invented the "JM" press.
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Really busy right now but I'll break it down quick.
Its the repetitive bs you've been posting ever since you registered...a broken record that has never been replaced.
-talking about yourself as if anyone else cares
-training overload
-diet/crap
-mentzer calling you wildhorse over the telephone once
-"wifey" who was probably just a girl you dated a little bit back in 1993
-racial stuff
-the jm guy ...don't know his name, some powerlifter guy
Its all this bullshit, your autistic ass has been repeating to death. When you ask questions you do so for no reason other than to play that broken record.... boring and annoying everyone forced to listen to it.
Just do it somewhere else nobody wants it here.
yeah i get it, you don't agree with my training theories or diet, boo-fucking-hoo
and here's the thing dipshit, i respond with my assertions about what i can and will do AFTER someone talks shit to me, i don't just come out and say this out of nowhere dumbass
and thanks for calling me a liar shithead
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Go cry me a river. You guys are ruining this section. Go drama queen somewhere else seriously :-\
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yeah i get it, you don't agree with my training theories or diet, boo-fucking-hoo
and here's the thing dipshit, i respond with my assertions about what i can and will do AFTER someone talks shit to me, i don't just come out and say this out of nowhere dumbass
and thanks for calling me a liar shithead
Tell us what your goal is again is it to compete or just look good for the ladies, its a important topic to carry on or you will run out of steam and ask why did I do all of that.
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Tell us what your goal is again is it to compete or just look good for the ladies, its a important topic to carry on or you will run out of steam and ask why did I do all of that.
;D ;D ;D
you're trolling abilities are almost as good as che's
i'll let my update pics do the talking brother 8)
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again "diet" means almost nothing, and i still stand by that assertion
"diet" only means something with regards to overall calorie intake and getting enough protien which still ain't that much
here's the thing... i don't want to be as "big" as those guys even, so why the fuck would i take shitloads of gear ???
and here's a PROMISE (and yeah, please call me out on this, coz you will get badly owned ;))
i will have LEGIT RIPPED 17 inch arms @ 80 kg or less by the end of january ;)
fyi, i had 14 1/3 inch arms @ 70 kg
soon...................
i have 17" arms and to tell you the truth i'm feel like i need like 19" before i will feel big
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typical DJ151...takes the nicest guy here and runs his mouth to the point where they can't stand him. Asks for advice, wont take it.
I hope you see why people think your a prick now.
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typical DJ151...takes the nicest guy here and runs his mouth to the point where they can't stand him. Asks for advice, wont take it.
I hope you see why people think your a prick now.
do nice guys post humilating pics of others? i don't think so dude
i have 17" arms and to tell you the truth i'm feel like i need like 19" before i will feel big
good point, but many other factors are involved here like frame size and joint size
and btw, you have OUTSTANDING wheels dude PROPS
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do nice guys post humilating pics of others? i don't think so dude
good point, but many other factors are involved here like frame size and joint size
and btw, you have OUTSTANDING wheels dude PROPS
TRUE...
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ahhahah what a mess.
For the guys unfamiliar with dj181 my post may seem unwarranted, but this is exactly what happens everywhere dj goes. This is why I'd like to keep him away from this place. Every time he asks a question he ends up doing things his own way and has been wasting member's time such as wes since the beginning of time. Take a look at some of his earlier posts, nothing ever changes...it always turns into a disaster.
We're not talking about vitamins and minerals here..these are some serious meds and people will be discouraged to post if it turns into a zoo like the g&o. Look at how many people lurk that place too intimidated to post...
I'm sure we'd all like to keep this place civil but with dj181 it will be impossible.
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"everywhere" "every time" "always" "nothing"
dude just STFU with this nonsense
and this thread was what did "they take/use" not "what should i take/use"
so i was not asking for advice here so get the facts straight before you try and put words in my mouth
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"everywhere" "every time" "always" "nothing"
dude just STFU with this nonsense
and this thread was what did "they take/use" not "what should i take/use"
so i was not asking for advice here so get the facts straight before you try and put words in my mouth
You know why I'm one of the few that has been able to put up with you??
Cause everytime you start getting all dj181(broken record), I crack a dumb joke or post up a stupid pic to get you to change the subject.
That was my intention for posting that ironmeister pic but now after getting a little props on current progress, the mania has been kicked into high gear and you go as far as to accuse me of being jealous lol. The fact that you would think that speaks volumes about your mentality, cause any time someone can make progress I am sincerely glad for them. I am not the jealous type and if I were, I have no reason to be jealous of you.
I'm done with you here. If you keep posting I'll simply ignore your posts, but if and when you start ruining this board I will speak up.
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anabolchalo the bigger you get the smaller youll feel.
its always the same.but you do indeed need another inch on the arms ,maybe 2inches to reach galeniko level.
as for dj181 melting, this is the thing with those orals only cycles, estrogen gets way out of whack :-X
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what happened to your post count gal
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anabolchalo the bigger you get the smaller youll feel.
its always the same.but you do indeed need another inch on the arms ,maybe 2inches to reach galeniko level.
as for dj181 melting, this is the thing with those orals only cycles, estrogen gets way out of whack :-X
yeah i have thought of this since you said your arms are 48cm mine are 43cm, the difference is therefore 5cm or 2"
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not melting, just defending myself
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not melting, just defending myself
Meltdown
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yeah i have thought of this since you said your arms are 48cm mine are 43cm, the difference is therefore 5cm or 2"
yah,but everything from 45cm up will look damn impressive if somewhat lean and you are very lean, so yeah, soon :D
what happened to your post count gal
no idea, i asked ron,he doesmt reply ;D
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I don't mind a little back and forth, but just don't turn this into the G&O.
Open discussion is fine. Just keep it civil.
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I don't mind a little back and forth, but just don't turn this into the G&O.
Open discussion is fine. Just keep it civil.
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was about time someone told dj181 to stop melting.
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dj182, try some anti estrogens bro, the estrogen is eating you up.
and a serious question, if your life literaly depended on it, would you have an injection to survive?
ever heard abotu diabetics?they have to inject daily more than once.
you gonna fry your liver for fuck all, come out of the delusion world, dont kill the liver for what looks like 14inch "guns"
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i'm not that stupid dude
i get full blood work every 6 months and everything is a-ok :)
and i cycle up and down, blast and cruise if you will, and my "blasts" are never that high
right now i'm cruising @ 10 mg of dbol per day
a few months earlier i cruised @ 10 mg of superdrol every other day
imo the liver risks from orals are over-rated, or maybe i'm just lucky with health genetics, who knows
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Really busy right now but I'll break it down quick.
Its the repetitive bs you've been posting ever since you registered...a broken record that has never been replaced.
-talking about yourself as if anyone else cares
-training overload
-diet/crap
-mentzer calling you wildhorse over the telephone once
-"wifey" who was probably just a girl you dated a little bit back in 1993
-racial stuff
-the jm guy ...don't know his name, some powerlifter guy
Its all this bullshit, your autistic ass has been repeating to death. When you ask questions you do so for no reason other than to play that broken record.... boring and annoying everyone forced to listen to it.
Just do it somewhere else nobody wants it here.
back to his old, retarded self I see.... the "im so special km going to ask you all for advice then ignore you and tell you why im gonna accomplish it in a completely different way because I know better/am special and youre all retarded" yet everyone else look 10x better than he does, lol. Then when called out " I dont wanna look like that"
Hes a bitch.
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back to his old, retarded self I see.... the "im so special km going to ask you all for advice then ignore you and tell you why im gonna accomplish it in a completely different way because I know better/am special and youre all retarded" yet everyone else look 10x better than he does, lol. Then when called out " I dont wanna look like that"
Hes a bitch.
and still no pic from you
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i'm not that stupid dude
i get full blood work every 6 months and everything is a-ok :)
and i cycle up and down, blast and cruise if you will, and my "blasts" are never that high
right now i'm cruising @ 10 mg of dbol per day
a few months earlier i cruised @ 10 mg of superdrol every other day
imo the liver risks from orals are over-rated, or maybe i'm just lucky with health genetics, who knows
lol
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and still no pic from you
yes, because having not posted a pic completely nullifys everyones observations of your idiotic behavior and mindset
Still a bitch.
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dj i had nothing against you, but seriously you're ruining all these threads in this section man...
Section is going down the shitter... total drama...
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You guys need to hash this out in PM's or i'll remove it.
I'm not taking sides, but there is a common factor here.
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You guys need to hash this out in PM's or i'll remove it.
I'm not taking sides, but there is a common factor here.
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lol :D
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You guys need to hash this out in PM's or i'll remove it.
I'm not taking sides, but there is a common factor here.
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haha, im picking up what youre laying down.
although I think the common factor won't.
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ERASE THE WHOLE FUCKING THREAD
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And the crying thread about experts and shit
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go have liver check.
run 100mg dbol for 2 weeks and then go have bloodwork checked, haha, lucky health genetics my balls.
cruisng at 10mg?
is this a joke?that will grant less net hormones than a natural, i never heard snything so stupid in my life
thread should stay, newcomers can learn alot from this.particularly,what not to do
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HOPE this helps, he worked out with Arnold & crew:
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HOPE this helps, he worked out with Arnold & crew:
Cool , will check this one out later...
check your pm box spritz.
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what I want to know is how did they come in so dry and hard. Yes certain compounds make me look better in that regard, but I never look grainy/hard/dry as a bone. Sure BF % has a role but even when very lean.
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Cool , will check this one out later...
check your pm box spritz.
^^
I did, and thanks!
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what I want to know is how did they come in so dry and hard. Yes certain compounds make me look better in that regard, but I never look grainy/hard/dry as a bone. Sure BF % has a role but even when very lean.
diet
compounds and doses
training
do you use HGH and slin? Seems like Slin users never get the same leans as the older competitors... this is anecdotal, just my observations.
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diet
compounds and doses
training
do you use HGH and slin? Seems like Slin users never get the same leans as the older competitors... this is anecdotal, just my observations.
I have tried slin for say a month, worked up to 15iu on training days (w/o hgh). Out of HGH at the moment, have run it before. Dbol isn't helping this time around. Funny, I got leanest on 1.2g Tren/1g NPP/1g EQ/1.2g Test P (doses from memory but somewhere around there), lowish carbs, dropped weight on that cycle, apparently didn't eat enough. Still wasn't grainy/paper-thin, though very vascular in gym. Wonder if I ran it longer what would have happened, but hatted that I was losing so much (wanted to gain size/mass)
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what I want to know is how did they come in so dry and hard. Yes certain compounds make me look better in that regard, but I never look grainy/hard/dry as a bone. Sure BF % has a role but even when very lean.
low bodyfat first.
estrogen shut down second.
not spilling over on carbs and smart water reduction.
that order.
genetic factor is skin thickness, gh causes thicker skin.
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HOPE this helps, he worked out with Arnold & crew:
dj 181 listen! open the ignorant ears!
-chicken breast!
-meat balls(bw 32 i dont find sooo much)
-eggs,hamburger patties
-lunch chicken breast and tuna
-cottage cheese
-protein shakes
-low carbs!! listen exactly why he says, hes very smart guy
so, im not even through the video, and to anyone who thinks other kind of diet of trash junkfood is possible,as long you run the right drugs, is a throughout moron, a full blown idiot.
so, get this into your heads, if your diet doesnt resemble something like the guy tells you, then its RIDICULOUSE!!! dumb as hell to even ask what cycle they used, bc the main factor diet isnt even the same.
and the training wont be the same either.
you do not get around proper diet, you just do not.
eat like them ,shut up for few years, then come back to talk.
any steroid will do if you eat like that.day in day out.
dj181 makes me angry like hell when he posts about the trash he eat "shish kebab", fuuuck kebab, you do have zero muscle mass, fuck your diet.
its been known and around since 40 fucking years what is required to eat, yet some ppl fail to even follow the most essential part, the diet.the fuel for the muscle and body.
do you see now how retardd it is to ask what cycles did they use?
and they dieted on 1000cals for leans that why they got so dry, nothing else, not some magic steroid.
eat 1000cals mostly protein per day,train every day,do dteroids and you will be shredded to the bone as fast as humanly possible.
you can ask all the questions in the world, but its just you looking for an easy way,for excuses, when there is no easy way.
for christ ssake i hope this answers some questions ::)
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next
tuna salad
rice and bread and pasta and potato were nonos, ok this is debatable, if you do away the fats, can eat bit of those no problem, but this is far from a fucking shish kabab and croisaint with coffe for freaking breakfast.
jesus wept, dj181 you make me so angry, youre so ignorant i never seen anthing like it before.
how can you not understand that the diet is the most important part.
sure a kebab and croissant wont hurt, but theyre so far from suboptimal it ridiculous.
do not have all 3 macros at once, do not have fats and carbs together, this is very simple concept.
-fish and steak and turkey
-bedtime protein drink
and the fatsos listen, he says nobody,this means nobody of the hugest guys back then, went overboard with eating.keep that in mind.
1 day a week cheat day.which sounds something like 5k cals.
very little rice.
arnold,draper, ALL the guys did the same thing.does that tell you something? ::)
great guy in the video,he summed it up perfectly
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Lol
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Use what ? Damn can anyone fucking do anything without the drugs?
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Galeniko, I love my rice, and I am not even an ectomorph, and I got shredded this past summer cut so... Why you hating on rice you rice racist lol
We need a special DJ section
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.............1 day a week cheat day.which sounds something like 5k cals.
.........very little rice.
I know you've been over this over and over again so bear with me. Why rice as opposed to say bread?
Also. On a cheat day-is it anything goes? I'm talking chocolate(high sugars), pizza, Chinese food?
My current diet consists all protein and fat, literally. Beef, eggs, sharp cheddar, whey protein, chicken, and fish. I started doing this diet after talking to you last February in a effort to simply blast body fat. The results were so dramatic and quick, I said fuck it and went balls to the wall. I havn't had a cheat day since March and I haven't touched candy since around the same time. Needless to say I'm in the best physical shape of my life and I'm literally addicted to being able to witness my body evolve on a daily basis.
First off, I enjoy the process and don't feel a overwhelming need to cheat. However, part of my thought process involves the thinking that if I overload my carb reserves, it will take a few days to deplete them all over again. To me it just seems counter productive when I'm in fat burning mode "now". I guess what I want to know is how bad does a cheat day actually blunt progress. It just seems to me that 4 cheat days a month is too much.
Is this a correct assumption. Or am I wrong in my thinking? What's your opinion?
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Galeniko, I love my rice, and I am not even an ectomorph, and I got shredded this past summer cut so... Why you hating on rice you rice racist lol
We need a special DJ section
nono, neither me not the guy in the video said rice or carbs are bad.
he even said he got his leanest on protein, no fats, and LITTLE carbs from rice.
just dont mix the cabrs with fats, no all macros in abdundance was the way he said it, he worded that so perectly ,i couldnt think of saying it better.
ofc i f one eats only protein and 100gramms rice and nothing else a day, they will become shredded to the bones , very fast,no doubt.
all in all he described what ALL the pros did back then ,they werent fans of carbs(well fats are the better energy source, in more than 1 way), so that was related to what dj did ask,well he asked what they took,lol, and he believes in a vareity of their training rpogrammes,but is too daft to ask what the diet was.
meanwhile hes "proud" and feels edgy and revolutionary to have breakfast of croissant and coffe, and freakign shish kebab post workout.
and then wonders why he dont gain an ounce of muscle in a decade.
Use what ? Damn can anyone fucking do anything without the drugs?
its even worse than that bro, its "the drugs will do everything".
lol they will not, no need to look any further than dj or the millions of failed gymrats out there.
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I know you've been over this over and over again so bear with me. Why rice as opposed to say bread?
Also. On a cheat day-is it anything goes? I'm talking chocolate(high sugars), pizza, Chinese food?
My current diet consists all protein and fat, literally. Beef, eggs, sharp cheddar, whey protein, chicken, and fish. I started doing this diet after talking to you last February in a effort to simply blast body fat. The results were so dramatic and quick, I said fuck it and went balls to the wall. I havn't had a cheat day since March and I haven't touched candy since around the same time. Needless to say I'm in the best physical shape of my life and I'm literally addicted to being able to witness my body evolve on a daily basis.
First off, I enjoy the process and don't feel a overwhelming need to cheat. However, part of my thought process involves the thinking that if I overload my carb reserves, it will take a few days to deplete them all over again. To me it just seems counter productive when I'm in fat burning mode "now".
Is this a correct assumption. Or am I wrong in my thinking? What's your opinion?
this is a smartly asked question.
rice before bread simply bc it has no salt in it, salt makes for water retention and can trigger binges.
i find that salt free rice cakes and pale rice for carbs do much less optical damage than bread etc.
on a cheat day, i always keep it to a big cheat meal,really big.
it definitely does less damage than having the same cheat calories throughout the day, no idea why(well i do have an idea why, after the first meal,the stores will be kind afull and insulin will already be released, good enviroment for fat gains, when instead having all at once, its one insulin burst, and it seem that not even all the food is processed.sure maybe not most healthy idea but works).
anything goes is bit vage term.ofc can eat everything, but id stay away from sugars on that day or keep it to a minimum,chose whole foods instead,pizza lasagna etcetc.
its extremly hard to get back to clean food when starving for sugars.
then on top of that, its good to still observe somewhat how full the glycogen stores would be, some 700-1000gramms carbs that day after 5 keto days will be no roblem.
i reduce the damage by simply fasting afterwards for as long i can.until all is shit out,empty stomach.not until brain wants to eat agagin, thatd be withing 1 hr,lol.
this was i manage to stay totaly shredded all year.day in day out.
if you eat after such meal(S) before hungry, you can bet there will be some fat gains, esp when the glycogen stores are full,i mean where else would the food go?the fat will be stored,as long theres enough glycogen,the fat will just be stored(when there lack of glycogen itll be used first).further carbs will be stpred as fat,with risk of developing a fatty liver(metabolic syndrome after enough time), and even the protein will not be needed at this point.
so there will be full glycogen stores for 1-2 days(till the carbs clear takes 2-3 days, but youll be burning fat sooner), there will be up to 8lbs short term weight gain,mostly water, this will be out again if a fast and 1-2 clean eating days are done.
so its no big deal if there been 5 keto days prior AND if one fasts a bit afterwards and gets bakc to clean diet.
necesary its not,other than mentaly or before the body breaks down and gets sick.
physically needed itll be somewhere at 5% bodyfat, or you as a whole wont function properly anymore.
i say as long you dont feel the desire to cheat,take advantage of it and keep the diet clean, then youre doing it perfectly.
when lean enough, yeah eat once in a while.
btw that rice over bread thing is more for the non cheating days, when one choses high protein.no fat moderate low carbs diet.
one the cheat day(or meal), theres no way id prefer the rice to the bread ;D
btw the difference bewteen cheat day and huge cheat meal of same cals seems to equal one more day of dieting for me,to undo the damage.
but initialy,it feels and looks like 3 days ,lol ;D
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Ok. Yeah, the fasting and the one meal as opposed to all day makes perfect sense. I can remember you mentioning this before but I needed a refresher.
As always, thank you for taking the time. I appreciate it big time man.
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lol @ gayleniko and "diet"
take it easy stud ;D
p.s. i will post update/progress pics on jan 31st, and i will have made very good and strong improvements MARK MY WORDS ;)
here's the thing, i don't just talk, i show and prove what i can do
p.p.s. i was just at mickey d's last night and i had a double quarter pounder with cheese and a quater pounder with cheese and bacon, 2 large fries and a large coke lol
and why the fuck do you get so bent out of shape regarding "diet" anyways ??? who gives a fuck about it, all that matters is results and you will see results a plenty come jan. 31 st ;)
and fuck it man, i may even get back down to sub-6 once again "diet" LOL
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lol @ gayleniko and "diet"
take it easy stud ;D
p.s. i will post update/progress pics on jan 31st, and i will have made very good and strong improvements MARK MY WORDS ;)
here's the thing, i don't just talk, i show and prove what i can do
p.p.s. i was just at mickey d's last night and i had a double quarter pounder with cheese and a quater pounder with cheese and bacon, 2 large fries and a large coke lol
and why the fuck do you get so bent out of shape regarding "diet" anyways ??? who gives a fuck about it, all that matters is results and you will see results a plenty come jan. 31 st ;)
and fuck it man, i may even get back down to sub-6 once again "diet" LOL
:D :-X
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Steroid users die early.
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"lol galeniko and diet",eh?
do you realize i just wrote down what the guy in the video said?how dumb can one person on their self be? ::)
why you think i carry 40-50lbs more msucle mass year round,shredded, than you?
what you think why ar eyou a colection of broomsticks with some little bit arms?
im not training more or harder.
drugs?hardly
the difference is 10+ consectuive years of you having a trash diet, fit for a female teenage volleybal amateur, while i eat what a bbuilder is required to eat to get good results.
easy as that.
carry on, reload your guns haha with a shish kebab, and "Blast" it in the gym after breakfast of croissant and coffee,lol,
takng steroids is relatively dumb enough, only taking orals, is bit dumber, ignoring diet while on steroid is as dumb as it gets,
very edgy, so you get away with a badass mcdonalds meal once in a while,wow ::)
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one word
jan 31st ;)
you got 19 inch arms right, but you weigh 220 and they are your best bodypart :D
i'll have 17 inch arms @ less than 175
and btw, my lats/back is my best bodypart
"diet" lol
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dj what is your mission on getbig?
mine is to gather information to GET BIG
what is yours? you seem unwilling to change your ways and they were not leading to desired results so what the fuck bro
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"not leading to my desired results" ???
well, let's see here
i started @ 69 kg @ 6% and now i'm @ 77 kg @ 8%
and my arms went from 15 1/3 inches to 16 1/4 inches
so it is indeed leading to my desired results
final goal is.... 80 kg @ 7% with 17 inch arms, and if i can control myself and not train compulsively i will reach this final goal by june 1st 8)
btw, what do you mean by GET BIG? how big? you do realize that everyone has an optimal weight for thier frame right? King Zane @ 187 moped the floor with King Zane @ 205 (ok, that's my opinion, but all this shit we speak is only based on opinion right?)
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my ideal physique is ronnie coleman 2000-2004
but i would be happy with essa's physique
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lol @ gayleniko and "diet"
take it easy stud ;D
p.s. i will post update/progress pics on jan 31st, and i will have made very good and strong improvements MARK MY WORDS ;)
here's the thing, i don't just talk, i show and prove what i can do
p.p.s. i was just at mickey d's last night and i had a double quarter pounder with cheese and a quater pounder with cheese and bacon, 2 large fries and a large coke lol
and why the fuck do you get so bent out of shape regarding "diet" anyways ??? who gives a fuck about it, all that matters is results and you will see results a plenty come jan. 31 st ;)
and fuck it man, i may even get back down to sub-6 once again "diet" LOL
When it comes to dieting you know your body more than some nobody over the internet. Keep on my brother DJ. You've always backed up what you say and I don't think this time will be any different.
No comment tho on your oral only cycle.
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???
"not leading to my desired results" ???
well, let's see here
i started @ 69 kg @ 6% and now i'm @ 77 kg @ 8%
and my arms went from 15 1/3 inches to 16 1/4 inches
so it is indeed leading to my desired results
final goal is.... 80 kg @ 7% with 17 inch arms, and if i can control myself and not train compulsively i will reach this final goal by june 1st 8)
btw, what do you mean by GET BIG? how big? you do realize that everyone has an optimal weight for thier frame right? King Zane @ 187 moped the floor with King Zane @ 205 (ok, that's my opinion, but all this shit we speak is only based on opinion right?)
BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHANA
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They used mature shit from the horse.
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essa is one jacked dude
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They used mature shit from the horse.
him as well ???
now that is.... P-R-O-P-O-R-T-I-O-N
Baldwin and Zane ruled in that realm
(http://www.classicbodybuilders.com/bodybuilder/richardbaldwin/richardbaldwin24.jpg)
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INTERESTING THREAD,CAUGHT UP READ EVERY POST.LOT OF OPINIONS HERE.
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him as well ???
now that is.... P-R-O-P-O-R-T-I-O-N
Baldwin and Zane ruled in that realm
(http://www.classicbodybuilders.com/bodybuilder/richardbaldwin/richardbaldwin24.jpg)
Vince Gironda cussed many people out in his gym and told them to leave.
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essa is one jacked dude
Nice, plus some interesting exercise modifications he applies, but who is the old lady lol
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Nice, plus some interesting exercise modifications he applies, but who is the old lady lol
old lady is a trainer from holland by the name of sibil peeters
she recycles a lot of obsolete exercises from old arnold movies
posing practice here with essa and sibil
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damn that explains it, she does look dutch. Interesting.. i'd have to swing b that gym next time in netherlands :D
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damn that explains it, she does look dutch. Interesting.. i'd have to swing b that gym next time in netherlands :D
sick burn
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sick burn
how's your training going brother? are ya getting any bigger?
i sure as hell am ;)
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how's your training going brother? are ya getting any bigger?
i sure as hell am ;)
of course, why else train or even get out of bed in the morning
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of course, why else train or even get out of bed in the morning
did you ever try Mike Mentzer's consolidation program?
(http://www.workoutsathome.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/mike_mentzer.png)
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did you ever try Mike Mentzer's consolidation program?
(http://www.workoutsathome.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/mike_mentzer.png)
i briefly considered untill i saw what kind of people actually train like this
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???
"not leading to my desired results" ???
well, let's see here
i started @ 69 kg @ 6% and now i'm @ 77 kg @ 8%
and my arms went from 15 1/3 inches to 16 1/4 inches
so it is indeed leading to my desired results
final goal is.... 80 kg @ 7% with 17 inch arms, and if i can control myself and not train compulsively i will reach this final goal by june 1st 8)
btw, what do you mean by GET BIG? how big? you do realize that everyone has an optimal weight for thier frame right? King Zane @ 187 moped the floor with King Zane @ 205 (ok, that's my opinion, but all this shit we speak is only based on opinion right?)
The fact that you gained fat on dbol isn't exactly a good sign for your drug response assuming your diet wasn't complete shit. Dbol leans you out, bulking steroid my ass
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i briefly considered untill i saw what kind of people actually train like this
haha.
I havent seen many physiques id like to emulate built on Mentzers training
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LOL holy........ skinny fat much.. 'good' LOL
HAHAHAHA, the seriousness of the background talk.... 'hitting 80% of your muscle, high intensity moving slowly breathing freely" LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!! "intensity" baaaaaaahahahahahahahaha
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i briefly considered untill i saw what kind of people actually train like this
you mean like these 2 guys ???
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you mean like these 2 guys ???
oh brother
it's a commercial
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did you ever try Mike Mentzer's consolidation program?
(http://www.workoutsathome.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/mike_mentzer.png)
Pics of the older guys impress me yeah they are not 250 but man there's a lot of quality muscle popping where it should be
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Pics of the older guys impress me yeah they are not 250 but man there's a lot of quality muscle popping where it should be
THAT IS A GREAT PIC..
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THAT IS A GREAT PIC..
a deca dbol physique right there 8)
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a deca dbol physique right there 8)
Don't forget test, parabolin, var, a50 and meth
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Don't forget test, parabolin, var, a50 and meth
stop ruining DJs fantasies! Its still real to him dammit!!
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stop ruining DJs fantasies! Its still real to him dammit!!
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i kniw what they surely didtuse,they didnt cruise on 10mg dbol a day
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i kniw what they surely didtuse,they didnt cruise on 10mg dbol a day
lies. Thet got ripped and big on 80mg dbol daily eating large fries.
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i kniw what they surely didtuse,they didnt cruise on 10mg dbol a day
IN IT TO WIN IT...
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i kniw what they surely didtuse,they didnt cruise on 10mg dbol a day
;D ;D ;D
17 inches, leaner on a shit "diet" come jan 31st ;)
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;D ;D ;D
17 inches, leaner on a shit "diet" come jan 31st ;)
man, wouldnt it be something if someone cared? :o
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man, wouldnt it be something if someone cared? :o
No kidding. Who is this guy?
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man, wouldnt it be something if someone cared? :o
you care, otherwise you wouldn't make a direct response to a post not directed at you :D
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be very surprised if you get 17 inch arms under 10% bf DJ
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;D ;D ;D
17 inches, leaner on a shit "diet" come jan 31st ;)
Keep us updated bro.
But be safe and get some blood work done.
We're ALL interested and watching.
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Keep us updated bro.
But be safe and get some blood work done.
We're ALL interested and watching.
LOL
What was your old account handle?
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you care, otherwise you wouldn't make a direct response to a post not directed at you :D
Brutal logic fail.
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LOL
What was your old account handle?
he reminds me of a slightly more homosexual version of fallsview. ;D
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he reminds me of a slightly more homosexual version of fallsview. ;D
lol
Not that there's anything going against the "common thought" here, but he admitted to posting under a different name before. That tells me he was likely owned into oblivion. Poor guy probably still has resentment towards the well liked getbiggers most would consider not weird/annoying. Otherwise, he wouldn't side himself with guys like shizzo and dj.
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be very surprised if you get 17 inch arms under 10% bf DJ
with synthol maybe.
rule of thumb, for 1 cm, 2kgs of pure muscle mass, not bloof, not water, not fat.
that means for 1 inch on arms, 15lbs of pure muscle.
wheres dj arm size?14inch both combined?
haha, good luck with that.talk to you in 10 years.
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with synthol maybe.
rule of thumb, for 1 cm, 2kgs of pure muscle mass, not bloof, not water, not fat.
that means for 1 inch on arms, 15lbs of pure muscle.
wheres dj arm size?14inch both combined?
haha, good luck with that.talk to you in 10 years.
need to see tape measure,17 lean is a decent sized arm.
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need to see tape measure,17 lean is a decent sized arm.
yeah i clearly remember my teenage years when i had such arms :D
how tall is the polish skeletor?
how lean is lean enough?
with his current relative leanness, mine would be 20inches.
his are maybe tad under 15, thatll be 30lbs of pure muscle, even on steroids non stop, that will be 4years if hes lucky.
its not happening.
not in this life.
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its mindboggling how retarded some ppl can be, saying thing like "i eat mcdonalds every day and im relatively lean".
it doesnt occur to them that having mcdonalds instead of proper meal is the reason why potential muscle growth is halted-sacrfied
taking gear and ignoring diet=retarded dumbshit,minimizing the effect.
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with synthol maybe.
rule of thumb, for 1 cm, 2kgs of pure muscle mass, not bloof, not water, not fat.
that means for 1 inch on arms, 15lbs of pure muscle.
wheres dj arm size?14inch both combined?
haha, good luck with that.talk to you in 10 years.
14 inches lol
try 16.25 ;)
lol
Not that there's anything going against the "common thought" here, but he admitted to posting under a different name before. That tells me he was likely owned into oblivion. Poor guy probably still has resentment towards the well liked getbiggers most would consider not weird/annoying. Otherwise, he wouldn't side himself with guys like shizzo and dj.
but the funny thing is... i look better than you :-*
you're not jealous ::) yeah right dude, keep telling yourself that, maybe one day you will believe it ;)
christ dude, you have to struggle like hell to get down to 8% lol
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14 inches lol
try 16.25 ;)
but the funny thing is... i look better than you :-*
you're not jealous ::) yeah right dude, keep telling yourself that, maybe one day you will believe it ;)
christ dude, you have to struggle like hell to get down to 8% lol
Nobody can stand you even on an internet site and you try to convince yourself its due to jealousy lol
I have better things to do than come argue on the internet with retards...you must suffer enough irl already as it is you poor autistic bastard.
Have a nice day.
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Nobody can stand you even on an internet site and you try to convince yourself its due to jealousy lol
I have better things to do than come argue on the internet with retards...you must suffer enough irl already as it is you poor autistic bastard.
Have a nice day.
MYSELF AND MR NOBODY MEDIATED AND CRITIQUED A VERY CIVIL BUDDY/BUDDY PHYSIQUE THREAD COMPARO,BETWEEN THESE 2 GENTLEMAN,I TOOK TIME OUT OF MY DAY LOL 2X AND WROTE A SIDE BY SIDE PHYSIQUE ESSAY DEATAILING PRO'S AND CON'S AND DETAIL LIKE A MAGAZINE WOULD, :-\ AND THIS IS WHAT IT BECAME .FUK OFF U TOO' ;)'KIDDING OF COURSE ,BE NICE BOYZ :-*
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MYSELF AND MR NOBODY MEDIATED AND CRITIQUED A VERY CIVIL BUDDY/BUDDY PHYSIQUE THREAD COMPARO,BETWEEN THESE 2 GENTLEMAN,I TOOK TIME OUT OF MY DAY LOL 2X AND WROTE A SIDE BY SIDE PHYSIQUE ESSAY DEATAILING PRO'S AND CON'S AND DETAIL LIKE A MAGAZINE WOULD, :-\ AND THIS IS WHAT IT BECAME .FUK OFF U TOO' ;)'KIDDING OF COURSE ,BE NICE BOYZ :-*
I'm liking the dafoe avatar but I think I found a new one :D
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14 inches lol
try 16.25 ;)
but the funny thing is... i look better than you :-*
you're not jealous ::) yeah right dude, keep telling yourself that, maybe one day you will believe it ;)
christ dude, you have to struggle like hell to get down to 8% lol
lol @ thinking someone is jealous of your hideous ass. Youre tiny, lean and ugly as fuck. No one is impressed or jealous. If you actually carried some size and were still lean, maybe your logic would make sense. Right now youre just another skinny guy fighting with the high school kids for girl pants that are small enough to not fall off your bitch ass.
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lol @ thinking someone is jealous of your hideous ass. Youre tiny, lean and ugly as fuck. No one is impressed or jealous. If you actually carried some size and were still lean, maybe your logic would make sense. Right now youre just another skinny guy fighting with the high school kids for girl pants that are small enough to not fall off your bitch ass.
He has to be trolling. DJ have you seen a mirror lately?
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Nobody can stand you even on an internet site and you try to convince yourself its due to jealousy lol
I have better things to do than come argue on the internet with retards...you must suffer enough irl already as it is you poor autistic bastard.
Have a nice day.
fuck off with your "nobody likes you" bulllshit
thank you very much
lol @ thinking someone is jealous of your hideous ass. Youre tiny, lean and ugly as fuck. No one is impressed or jealous. If you actually carried some size and were still lean, maybe your logic would make sense. Right now youre just another skinny guy fighting with the high school kids for girl pants that are small enough to not fall off your bitch ass.
go fuck yourself fatass
AGAIN.... WHERE THE FUCK IS YOUR PIC?
post it and own me if you can ;)
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Nobody can stand you even on an internet site and you try to convince yourself its due to jealousy lol
I have better things to do than come argue on the internet with retards...you must suffer enough irl already as it is you poor autistic bastard.
Have a nice day.
Fuck me are you bigmcs gimmick?
"Nobody likes you, you can't play with us
Fucking hell man grow the fuck up are you 12?
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lol @ thinking someone is jealous of your hideous ass. Youre tiny, lean and ugly as fuck. No one is impressed or jealous. If you actually carried some size and were still lean, maybe your logic would make sense. Right now youre just another skinny guy fighting with the high school kids for girl pants that are small enough to not fall off your bitch ass.
Get off his case you fuckwit.
He's got the bottle to post pics on here, thats more than 90% of the pricks here are man enough to do.
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Get off his case you fuckwit.
He's got the bottle to post pics on here, thats more than 90% of the pricks here are man enough to do.
he's ALL MOUTH
NEVER has posted a pic of himself
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he's ALL MOUTH
NEVER has posted a pic of himself
Thought as much, he will be like bigmc when he called me out to post a pic, he posted one and got fucking owned when I posted mine, he took his down straight away.
Everybody got his back though as per usual.
Expect nothing else here mate.
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This is a good example of what not to do on this board.
Keep all of your bullshit on the G&O.
This is a steroid discussion board. If you guys can't act right i'll just lock or remove threads.
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