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Picked up the SIG M400 yesterday. Really wanted a gas operated AR upper so seemed like a decent deal for under 1k. Came with a Magpull Mbus, which doesn't have any vertical adjustments. Can hit shit at 100 yards unless I drop the front iron sight until it's out of scope literally. Planning on putting a Hawk red dot on tomorrow, wondering if there's a high scope mount you would recommend. Thanks Chief.
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very euro of you. isn't the "mainland" fully flowing with socialist cum by now? Will it fill the "tunnel" ?
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nice purchase king!
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Nice rig. I run EOTechs on all of mine, except for the SPR.
Wouldn't you want to co-witness the red dot and the iron sights?
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One hundred yards? Hell, we had to be accurate with our m16s out to the 500 yard line for qualifications. (Prone position)
Step up your game son.
;D
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Nice rig. I run EOTechs on all of mine, except for the SPR.
Wouldn't you want to co-witness the red dot and the iron sights?
I think it make sense. Had my eye on the 552 for a while now, just wanna make sure the front sight won't shadow too much.
Thanks for the tip!
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One hundred yards? Hell, we had to be accurate with our m16s out to the 500 yard line for qualifications. (Prone position)
Step up your game son.
;D
Consistently hitting 4" too high so I blame the sight (and ur mom, just because) ;D
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I think it make sense. Had my eye on the 552 for a while now, just wanna make sure the front sight won't shadow too much.
Thanks for the tip!
You won't be sorry with the 552. I co-witness them all with a Troy BUIS. I have had optics fall off at the stupidest times, and having that BUIS ready to go is real nice.
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One hundred yards? Hell, we had to be accurate with our m16s out to the 500 yard line for qualifications. (Prone position)
Step up your game son.
;D
I qualified Expert by USMC standards with an M16 and M14 while stationed in Iceland. I was one if the few hillbillies who could actually shoot a little so I always got grabbed up by the Marines to go to the range. Night shooting was a blast.
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I qualified Expert by USMC standards with an M16 and M14 while stationed in Iceland. I was one if the few hillbillies who could actually shoot a little so I always got grabbed up by the Marines to go to the range. Night shooting was a blast.
Love the M14. I have been slowly accumulating parts for an eventual build for like 5 years. So many guns to build, so little time...
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I qualified Expert by USMC standards for dry anal cross functional interactions while stationed in Iceland. I was one of the few hillbillies who could actually lollipop dicks little so I always got grabbed up by the Marines to go to the fun place. Night gang raping was a blast.
Edited for accuracy. No pun ;D
Sorry couldn't resist. Glad to hear. I think you have it or you don't when it comes to accuracy. Instinct kinda kicks in.
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Edited for accuracy. No pun ;D
Sorry couldn't resist. Glad to hear. I think you have it or you don't when it comes to accuracy. Instinct kinda kicks in.
Smartass. ;D
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Love the M14. I have been slowly accumulating parts for an eventual build for like 5 years. So many guns to build, so little time...
I really liked it too. So reliable.
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I qualified Expert by USMC standards with an M16 and M14 while stationed in Iceland. I was one if the few hillbillies who could actually shoot a little so I always got grabbed up by the Marines to go to the range. Night shooting was a blast.
Solid broseph.
dont worry alex, youll get there eventually. ;D
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I really liked it too. So reliable.
can you still get 20 round mags for m14 as a civie?
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can you still get 20 round mags for m14 as a civie?
probably depends on where you live, just like the AR mags.
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Picked up the SIG M400 yesterday. Really wanted a gas operated AR upper so seemed like a decent deal for under 1k. Came with a Magpull Mbus, which doesn't have any vertical adjustments. Can hit shit at 100 yards unless I drop the front iron sight until it's out of scope literally. Planning on putting a Hawk red dot on tomorrow, wondering if there's a high scope mount you would recommend. Thanks Chief.
(http://i1205.photobucket.com/albums/bb425/A23Corp/876087869876980769876/fc2d2b6d-3587-451d-815d-331d1b758c49_zpscb7574c6.jpg)
(http://i1205.photobucket.com/albums/bb425/A23Corp/876087869876980769876/ba63100e-8924-4dae-9e7f-9cea6a34c667_zpsc32c701b.jpg)
that sight works perfect with the A2 gas post you have it needs no vertical adjustment , if you have issues at 100 then its user issues ..... the SIG make a great AR but I'm not one to jump on the piston driven band wagon unless you have the whole rifle set up for it and set up for the specific round ...... I can build a mix matches rifle for half the price and would perform just as well...... if you want a piston driven HARDASS rifle look for a POF not "plenty of fish"
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And that's a gen 2 sight so its the one you want "for backup" if you want a real nice rear sight look for Troy industries , mid west industries and I believe larue tactical make a real nice one as well
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Picked up the SIG M400 yesterday. Really wanted a gas operated AR upper so seemed like a decent deal for under 1k. Came with a Magpull Mbus, which doesn't have any vertical adjustments. Can hit shit at 100 yards unless I drop the front iron sight until it's out of scope literally. Planning on putting a Hawk red dot on tomorrow, wondering if there's a high scope mount you would recommend. Thanks Chief.
(http://i1205.photobucket.com/albums/bb425/A23Corp/876087869876980769876/fc2d2b6d-3587-451d-815d-331d1b758c49_zpscb7574c6.jpg)
(http://i1205.photobucket.com/albums/bb425/A23Corp/876087869876980769876/ba63100e-8924-4dae-9e7f-9cea6a34c667_zpsc32c701b.jpg)
http://www.laruetactical.com/aimpoint-micro-t-1-2moam4-qd-mount-combo
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that sight works perfect with the A2 gas post you have it needs no vertical adjustment , if you have issues at 100 then its user issues ..... the SIG make a great AR but I'm not one to jump on the piston driven band wagon unless you have the whole rifle set up for it and set up for the specific round ...... I can build a mix matches rifle for half the price and would perform just as well...... if you want a piston driven HARDASS rifle look for a POF not "plenty of fish"
Lol, please post the parts and source to build a better rifle than that sig for $500. The sig lower alone is worth $200 don't agree post the source
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Lol, please post the parts and source to build a better rifle than that sig for $500. The sig lower alone is worth $200 don't agree post the source
so your telling me you paid 500 for the rifle? Or are you asking me how to build a basic multi cal lower at mil spec for less then 200
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First off grab a spikes tactical stripped lower complete for 150
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WOOOO APOLOGIES thought it was a piston driven gun .... looked again at original post saw it was gas tube set up hence the A2 gas post ...
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If you bought that for less then a grand new then I say BRAVO you have the upper hand
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I'm not big on eotechs..to me the retical is too busy, battery life is too short and I've had them go down on me during a time when I really really needed it. I know DEVGRU uses them with great success, but those are the new damn near $700 optic..for that money I'm running an aimpoint T1
I use aimpoints when it comes to red dots...if I were you I would just order an aimpoint PRO and be done with it
Check out travis Haley's YouTube video on combat zeros before you are set on 100 yards..I do 36meters on all my dot rifles
Bench
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Bench you service or just gun guy ? Not starting shit just curious
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Love the M14. I have been slowly accumulating parts for an eventual build for like 5 years. So many guns to build, so little time...
I was issued an m14 ebr once...so naturally I hate the damn thing ;D
Bench
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Bench you service or just gun guy ? Not starting shit just curious
PMC, and LEO
Bench
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Well don't taze me vro , what all are you issued , AR? Pistol
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Well don't taze me vro , what all are you issued , AR? Pistol
When in combat? Same old shit
When in the states? I don't carry anything issued. I build my own AR's and bolt guns..I usually run an 11.5" sbr with an ops inc m4-m suppressor. I used to have all my sbr's in 10.5 but there are so many advantages to that extra inch of barrel.
Bench
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Are you on a police force? And they allow you to use what you want ...... I've been wanting a shorty as well , I have a travel rifle but its full size I need a shorty for when I'm working near the boarder
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I'm not big on eotechs..to me the retical is too busy, battery life is too short and I've had them go down on me during a time when I really really needed it. I know DEVGRU uses them with great success, but those are the new damn near $700 optic..for that money I'm running an aimpoint T1
I use aimpoints when it comes to red dots...if I were you I would just order an aimpoint PRO and be done with it
Check out travis Haley's YouTube video on combat zeros before you are set on 100 yards..I do 36meters on all my dot rifles
Bench
You do not mention what model scope, or, types of ammo you are trying to use. Nor do you mention what you bought this rifle for - varmint shooting? Plinking? Home Defense? Or to just look good on the wall? You should have told us what "zero point seems to change allot" is - we have no idea if .16" is allot to you or 16" is allot to you.
I do NRA Highpower rifle competition with my AR-15. This is 200, 300 and 600 yard competition with open sights - no scope.
The idea of zeroing in an AR at 25 or 50 yards is great if you are using this as a home protection rifle.
Generally speaking, a rifle is normally pointed slightly upwards to counter gravity when aimed at 200 to 1,000 yards. At 25 to 50 yards the upward angle is so slight as to be non existant - this means when you are sighted in at 25 you are gonna get a drop at 50 and a bad drop at 100 - and unmanagable drops beyond 100.
Most people will sight a rifle in at 200 yards - this makes it 3" high at 100 yards and 3" low at 300 yards for 98% of all rifles. (Keep this fact in mind for the rest of your life)
Likewise - when you sight in at 50 yards - you can expect it to be 3/4 inch high at 25 yards and 1.75" low at 100........ but at 200 you will see minus 8 inches and it is off the charts beyond that.
My recommendation. Sight your rifle in so it hits 3" high at 100. This puts it close to on target at 200 and 3" low at 300. It will also put it 2" high at 50 and 1" high at 25 - plenty close enough for government work at close range. But - these figures are for 62gr military ammo - yours will vary a tad if you use other ammo.
What's ur take on this?
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You do not mention what model scope, or, types of ammo you are trying to use. Nor do you mention what you bought this rifle for - varmint shooting? Plinking? Home Defense? Or to just look good on the wall? You should have told us what "zero point seems to change allot" is - we have no idea if .16" is allot to you or 16" is allot to you.
I do NRA Highpower rifle competition with my AR-15. This is 200, 300 and 600 yard competition with open sights - no scope.
The idea of zeroing in an AR at 25 or 50 yards is great if you are using this as a home protection rifle.
Generally speaking, a rifle is normally pointed slightly upwards to counter gravity when aimed at 200 to 1,000 yards. At 25 to 50 yards the upward angle is so slight as to be non existant - this means when you are sighted in at 25 you are gonna get a drop at 50 and a bad drop at 100 - and unmanagable drops beyond 100.
Most people will sight a rifle in at 200 yards - this makes it 3" high at 100 yards and 3" low at 300 yards for 98% of all rifles. (Keep this fact in mind for the rest of your life)
Likewise - when you sight in at 50 yards - you can expect it to be 3/4 inch high at 25 yards and 1.75" low at 100........ but at 200 you will see minus 8 inches and it is off the charts beyond that.
My recommendation. Sight your rifle in so it hits 3" high at 100. This puts it close to on target at 200 and 3" low at 300. It will also put it 2" high at 50 and 1" high at 25 - plenty close enough for government work at close range. But - these figures are for 62gr military ammo - yours will vary a tad if you use other ammo.
What's ur take on this?
Think you quoted the wrong dude..but solid post
Bench
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Think you quoted the wrong dude..but solid post
Bench
Sorry for that, I've read a lot and 50 seems to be the favorite for most for a range of 200 and less
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Sorry for that, I've read a lot and 50 seems to be the favorite for most for a range of 200 and less
I used to use a 50 yard zero for my dot sight rifles...but found my effective groups were smaller throughout 10-400 yards with a 36 yard(said meter earlier) zero
With any 308 and below caliber rifle I use 100 yard zero as long as I'm running a magnified optic
Bench
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Sorry for that, I've read a lot and 50 seems to be the favorite for most for a range of 200 and less
Before any of it sounds weird just know what I'm using is the standard marine zero
Bench
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The compensation is strong in this thread
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When in combat? Same old shit
When in the states? I don't carry anything issued. I build my own AR's and bolt guns..I usually run an 11.5" sbr with an ops inc m4-m suppressor. I used to have all my sbr's in 10.5 but there are so many advantages to that extra inch of barrel.
Bench
Your department lets you use your own builds on the job? Are you the armorer?
Don't know much about that Ops can. Do you like it? I mostly run SWR stuff, but that's because I am a good friend of one of the former owners and he and I used to test his designs.
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Your department lets you use your own builds on the job? Are you the armorer?
Don't know much about that Ops can. Do you like it? I mostly run SWR stuff, but that's because I am a good friend of one of the former owners and he and I used to test his designs.
Most agencies in Texas let you carry your own stuff.
I love ops inc cans. I've used them for a while now. It's a reflex can so it fits back over the barrel. The M4-M I use adds less than 4" to the barrel. I really like swr too I just got the specwar 556 and really like it. I wanted the 762 but that damn thing is 9" long..that was the only reason I didn't pick it up
On my precision rifles 308 and bigger I only use thunderbeast suppressors..nobody, and I mean nobody can match the accuracy and repeatability of the thunderbeast cans
And I just sent an aac n6 back....for the 4th damn time! No matter what they do it just wobbles on the mount! Every aac suppressor I've owned has done this..and yes, it the 51tooth..stay away from aac
Bench
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The compensation is strong in this thread
It took you this long to use that line on a bodybuilding site? ;D
Bench
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can you still get 20 round mags for m14 as a civie?
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/218760/product?cm_mmc=pe_Tier3-_-Super_Sonic_Promos-_-Other_20131108_1-_-Main_Image&cm_mmca1=michael.sooto@hotmail.com&cm_mmca2=CustNum=104750117 (http://www.midwayusa.com/product/218760/product?cm_mmc=pe_Tier3-_-Super_Sonic_Promos-_-Other_20131108_1-_-Main_Image&cm_mmca1=michael.sooto@hotmail.com&cm_mmca2=CustNum=104750117)
Get them while their hot boys!! 3 MagPuls for $30!!
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You do not mention what model scope, or, types of ammo you are trying to use. Nor do you mention what you bought this rifle for - varmint shooting? Plinking? Home Defense? Or to just look good on the wall? You should have told us what "zero point seems to change allot" is - we have no idea if .16" is allot to you or 16" is allot to you.
I do NRA Highpower rifle competition with my AR-15. This is 200, 300 and 600 yard competition with open sights - no scope.
The idea of zeroing in an AR at 25 or 50 yards is great if you are using this as a home protection rifle.
Generally speaking, a rifle is normally pointed slightly upwards to counter gravity when aimed at 200 to 1,000 yards. At 25 to 50 yards the upward angle is so slight as to be non existant - this means when you are sighted in at 25 you are gonna get a drop at 50 and a bad drop at 100 - and unmanagable drops beyond 100.
Most people will sight a rifle in at 200 yards - this makes it 3" high at 100 yards and 3" low at 300 yards for 98% of all rifles. (Keep this fact in mind for the rest of your life)
Likewise - when you sight in at 50 yards - you can expect it to be 3/4 inch high at 25 yards and 1.75" low at 100........ but at 200 you will see minus 8 inches and it is off the charts beyond that.
My recommendation. Sight your rifle in so it hits 3" high at 100. This puts it close to on target at 200 and 3" low at 300. It will also put it 2" high at 50 and 1" high at 25 - plenty close enough for government work at close range. But - these figures are for 62gr military ammo - yours will vary a tad if you use other ammo.
What's ur take on this?
Took the words right out of my mouth.
BTW Scope wise, I love my ACOG but they are pricy. Before the ACOG I had one of these -
http://www.opticsplanet.com/leapers-utg-3-12x44mm-swat-ie-ao-mildot-ez-tap-water-proof-riflescope.html (http://www.opticsplanet.com/leapers-utg-3-12x44mm-swat-ie-ao-mildot-ez-tap-water-proof-riflescope.html)
and put some 45 degree BUIS on as well. Great for quick target acquisition. Lots of 3 Gun Comp guys use them
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Most agencies in Texas let you carry your own stuff.
I love ops inc cans. I've used them for a while now. It's a reflex can so it fits back over the barrel. The M4-M I use adds less than 4" to the barrel. I really like swr too I just got the specwar 556 and really like it. I wanted the 762 but that damn thing is 9" long..that was the only reason I didn't pick it up
On my precision rifles 308 and bigger I only use thunderbeast suppressors..nobody, and I mean nobody can match the accuracy and repeatability of the thunderbeast cans
And I just sent an aac n6 back....for the 4th damn time! No matter what they do it just wobbles on the mount! Every aac suppressor I've owned has done this..and yes, it the 51tooth..stay away from aac
Bench
Are you Form 4 with this C3 stuff or are you buying on your badge for the dept? 07SOT?
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Are you Form 4 with this C3 stuff or are you buying on your badge for the dept? 07SOT?
All my stuff is form 1 and form 4...and I use a trust
Bench
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Took the words right out of my mouth.
BTW Scope wise, I love my ACOG but they are pricy. Before the ACOG I had one of these -
http://www.opticsplanet.com/leapers-utg-3-12x44mm-swat-ie-ao-mildot-ez-tap-water-proof-riflescope.html (http://www.opticsplanet.com/leapers-utg-3-12x44mm-swat-ie-ao-mildot-ez-tap-water-proof-riflescope.html)
and put some 45 degree BUIS on as well. Great for quick target acquisition. Lots of 3 Gun Comp guys use them
I always use 45 degree BUIS even on red dot guns..cause if my optic goes down its a lot easier to cant the rifle than flip the BUIS...on my full length m4's I usually ran a Swarovski 1-6 N6i..it's pricey..but I like it..I think there are better options now though
Bench
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All my stuff is form 1 and form 4...and I use a trust
Bench
LOL, we all use a trust now. Of course, that is about to change with the new rules that Obama is putting into place involving transfers.
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Picked up the SIG M400 yesterday. Really wanted a gas operated AR upper so seemed like a decent deal for under 1k. Came with a Magpull Mbus, which doesn't have any vertical adjustments. Can hit shit at 100 yards unless I drop the front iron sight until it's out of scope literally. Planning on putting a Hawk red dot on tomorrow, wondering if there's a high scope mount you would recommend. Thanks Chief.
(http://i1205.photobucket.com/albums/bb425/A23Corp/876087869876980769876/fc2d2b6d-3587-451d-815d-331d1b758c49_zpscb7574c6.jpg)
(http://i1205.photobucket.com/albums/bb425/A23Corp/876087869876980769876/ba63100e-8924-4dae-9e7f-9cea6a34c667_zpsc32c701b.jpg)
another thread that's a blatant and brutal attempt at sounding tough and manly. You always do the same shit, last time it was your shitty humvee, your shitty rifle... Just like spermastase you keep running in circle doing the same attention whoring crap every year it's sad. Next to follow; an owning, a gay ass dramatic departure and ..comeback a year later. We all know you re a weak minded, insecure, fat lonely nerdy weirdo , stop pretending. You can get as fat/big as you want , buy and post as many pictures of guns you want, we still know you re a mental midget.
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You do not mention what model scope, or, types of ammo you are trying to use. Nor do you mention what you bought this rifle for - varmint shooting? Plinking? Home Defense? Or to just look good on the wall? You should have told us what "zero point seems to change allot" is - we have no idea if .16" is allot to you or 16" is allot to you.
I do NRA Highpower rifle competition with my AR-15. This is 200, 300 and 600 yard competition with open sights - no scope.
The idea of zeroing in an AR at 25 or 50 yards is great if you are using this as a home protection rifle.
Generally speaking, a rifle is normally pointed slightly upwards to counter gravity when aimed at 200 to 1,000 yards. At 25 to 50 yards the upward angle is so slight as to be non existant - this means when you are sighted in at 25 you are gonna get a drop at 50 and a bad drop at 100 - and unmanagable drops beyond 100.
Most people will sight a rifle in at 200 yards - this makes it 3" high at 100 yards and 3" low at 300 yards for 98% of all rifles. (Keep this fact in mind for the rest of your life)
Likewise - when you sight in at 50 yards - you can expect it to be 3/4 inch high at 25 yards and 1.75" low at 100........ but at 200 you will see minus 8 inches and it is off the charts beyond that.
My recommendation. Sight your rifle in so it hits 3" high at 100. This puts it close to on target at 200 and 3" low at 300. It will also put it 2" high at 50 and 1" high at 25 - plenty close enough for government work at close range. But - these figures are for 62gr military ammo - yours will vary a tad if you use other ammo.
What's ur take on this?
that's because he s a clown who has no idea what he s talking about, just like bobert ziurolo he buys guns to show then off once in a while and to -unsuccessfully- cure his insecurity the best he can. He probably spends more time looking at them than shooting them.
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my next buy...I will call "the mistress" cause she is soooo damn sexy.
http://para-usa.com/2013/firearms/tactical/recon.php (http://para-usa.com/2013/firearms/tactical/recon.php) ...but in full stainless
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LOL, we all use a trust now. Of course, that is about to change with the new rules that Obama is putting into place involving transfers.
It doesn't matter to me..my office is in a sheriffs office and I see that guy everyday..I'll just get him to sign off in them and get his people to print me ;D
Trust is still good to have
Bench
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It doesn't matter to me..my office is in a sheriffs office and I see that guy everyday..I'll just get him to sign off in them and get his people to print me ;D
Trust is still good to have
Bench
one thing most don't know or understand is that in Texas we follow and obey and enforce the laws that we as individuals uphold and support/ believe in ..... once the FEDS pull their shit we refuse to apply . Ask any LE from Texas where they stand . I love this republic till the day I die defending it
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my next buy...I will call "the mistress" cause she is soooo damn sexy.
http://para-usa.com/2013/firearms/tactical/recon.php (http://para-usa.com/2013/firearms/tactical/recon.php) ...but in full stainless
Or you could step up to the big league and buy a mans gun!
http://www.stiguns.com/the-sti-tactical-ss-5/
Bench
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one thing most don't know or understand is that in Texas we follow and obey and enforce the laws that we as individuals uphold and support/ believe in ..... once the FEDS pull their shit we refuse to apply . Ask any LE from Texas where they stand . I love this republic till the day I die defending it
I fought for this country almost to the death more than a few times...but I am and always be a TEXAN first and an American second..
My right arm is a half sleeved texas flag!
Bench
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I fought for this country almost to the death more than a few times...but I am and always be a TEXAN first and an American second..
My right arm is a half sleeved texas flag!
Bench
and that's exactly what I meant , most will never understand this ...... you fought for our country and will again if asked under oath but you have a stronger oath to thus state , just like we did to the Spanish and mexico .... people like to make fun of our pride
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and that's exactly what I meant , most will never understand this ...... you fought for our country and will again if asked under oath but you have a stronger oath to thus state , just like we did to the Spanish and mexico .... people like to make fun of our pride
They don't need to understand it. Texas will continue to produce warfighters, and men of honor and everyone else can continue producing skinny jeans wearing cowards
Bench
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Or you could step up to the big league and buy a mans gun!
http://www.stiguns.com/the-sti-tactical-ss-5/
Bench
What? $1,900 for a 8+1 when you can get my mistress for almost half that, with equal quality and a high capacity double stack mag? ..no thanks :-\
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Alright gents, first firearm
sig 226 for ~600-700 or do I have better options for 9 mil?
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Alright gents, first firearm
sig 226 for ~600-700 or do I have better options for 9 mil?
The 226 is a big gun for 9mm. For 9mm you can't beat the Glock 19. 15+1 or 17+1 with +2 mags.
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Love my Sig in 40.
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Alright gents, first firearm
sig 226 for ~600-700 or do I have better options for 9 mil?
glock 19 or 17 , s&w m&p or if you want a cheap reliable gun go with the s&w sigma in a 9 ..... I have the 40 I love that gun also check out the Berretta px4 storm in a 9 that mofo it an accurate sob , I have that as my 9mm
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Love my Sig in 40.
I have the 226 and the 229 in .40. For some reason, I can't hit the side of a barn with that caliber. I have .357 barrels for both and I am a lot more reliable with that.
Overall, I made the switch to Glock about 10 years ago, I carry and compete with Glocks and probably will leave the Sigs to be forever safe queens.
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Good weapon for defending the home from the dregs of society.
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Whats up with these pussies who suffer from low self esteem so they have to buy a big gun to feel like a man.
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I have the 226 and the 229 in .40. For some reason, I can't hit the side of a barn with that caliber. I have .357 barrels for both and I am a lot more reliable with that.
Overall, I made the switch to Glock about 10 years ago, I carry and compete with Glocks and probably will leave the Sigs to be forever safe queens.
You could always sell them... :D
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You could always sell them... :D
As you can attest, I have a problem selling guns. I just grow attached to them...
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glock 19 or 17 , s&w m&p or if you want a cheap reliable gun go with the s&w sigma in a 9 ..... I have the 40 I love that gun also check out the Berretta px4 storm in a 9 that mofo it an accurate sob , I have that as my 9mm
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What will you be using it for? Home protection, concealed carry?
Can't go wrong with Glock unless you aren't used to that type of trigger safety, then you will shoot yourself when drawing it in a panic situation. They are cheap, reliable and parts / customization is endless.
Sigs are great but..little pricey. They'll last forever.
LAPD is moving their whole force to S&W M&P 9mm. Military still utilizes the Beretta 92FS (great, reliable, but heavy).
You will find that you may want to own different guns for different purposes. When in the woods for large animal protection .357 mag, home defense maybe a .45, concealed carry, 9mm as the ammo is cheap so you will get more practice with this caliber.
for example -
I have a .357 for hiking
Glock and a couple other full size for outside waist holster carry (winter time when you can conceal with jacket)
Kahr CW9 (9mm) for "pocket pistol" carry. Inside waist or underarm shirt holster carry when at work, church or anywhere I REALLY want to hide the fact I'm carrying...or where pistols are privately banned (restaurants my wife and kids like, local movie theater etc..)
My $0.02 advice -
-Go to a local range, rent some of their guns and try different ones / calibers.
-Learn your local carry and deadly force laws.
-Have an attorney in mind because if you ever have to kill someone you WILL need one. Justified kill means no jail but it doesn't mean the bad guys money hungry family / baby momma won't sue you in civil court.
-Buy a safe to keep your gun in.
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my next one is FN 5.7 if I can ever find one
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my next one is FN 5.7 if I can ever find one
now that is one I want ONLY for the cool factor alone...lord knows I don't need it. Betting ammo is a bitch to find
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one thing most don't know or understand is that in Texas we follow and obey and enforce the laws that we as individuals uphold and support/ believe in ..... once the FEDS pull their shit we refuse to apply . Ask any LE from Texas where they stand . I love this republic till the day I die defending it
You know, secession didn't work the first time, and won't work the next time...
Just sayin'
:D
And you'll notice the OP is gone...only those who know their ish are the ones talking.
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my next one is FN 5.7 if I can ever find one
POS. The round is crap too. It's great as a conversation piece, but I would rather carry a fucking Lorcin in a real caliber than that thing.
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POS. The round is crap too. It's great as a conversation piece, but I would rather carry a fucking Lorcin in a real caliber than that thing.
your the only person I heard that from. What's wrong with the round
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Echo that
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Picked up the SIG M400 yesterday. Really wanted a gas operated AR upper so seemed like a decent deal for under 1k. Came with a Magpull Mbus, which doesn't have any vertical adjustments. Can hit shit at 100 yards unless I drop the front iron sight until it's out of scope literally. Planning on putting a Hawk red dot on tomorrow, wondering if there's a high scope mount you would recommend. Thanks Chief.
(http://i1205.photobucket.com/albums/bb425/A23Corp/876087869876980769876/fc2d2b6d-3587-451d-815d-331d1b758c49_zpscb7574c6.jpg)
(http://i1205.photobucket.com/albums/bb425/A23Corp/876087869876980769876/ba63100e-8924-4dae-9e7f-9cea6a34c667_zpsc32c701b.jpg)
Gas operated upper = a solution to a non problem on the AR platform
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Gas operated upper = a solution to a non problem on the AR platform
Gas operated is mil spec. I think that you wanted to dis the op-rod design.
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your the only person I heard that from. What's wrong with the round
Terminal ballistics just slightly north of a .22LR to start. Expensive, hard to find, etc.
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Gas operated is mil spec. I think that you wanted to dis the op-rod design.
Right , I thought these were gas-uppers and NOT DI. Sig finally came around? I wouldn't buy a Sig 1911 or AR. Much better choices for both.
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http://www.laruetactical.com/aimpoint-micro-t-1-2moam4-qd-mount-combo
Case closed , end of sentence. Thread/ Elvis has left the building.
Mark LaRue is all you need to know when it comes to mounts and AR accessories.
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Terminal ballistics just slightly north of a .22LR to start. Expensive, hard to find, etc.
you sure about that?
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impressive now grab the .22 mag vid if they have one..... doesn't keltec make a 22 mag I believe its the p30
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Case closed , end of sentence. Thread/ Elvis has left the building.
Mark LaRue is all you need to know when it comes to mounts and AR accessories.
I stopped buying larue..they are repeatable but eat up your rails..and rails don't grow back
I started using BOBRO for optics mounts...not going back to mark larue's pretentious ass
Bench
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Alright gents, first firearm
sig 226 for ~600-700 or do I have better options for 9 mil?
Get a glock 19
Bench
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I stopped buying larue..they are repeatable but eat up your rails..and rails don't grow back
I started using BOBRO for optics mounts...not going back to mark larue's pretentious ass
Bench
I never had an issues with my rails and LaRue , Mark talks shit but he can back it up.
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seems like the 5.7 is nothing like .22 mag good find cant deny the gel .....lol time to hit the gym for back day need to get swole
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I never had an issues with my rails and LaRue , Mark talks shit but he can back it up.
If its an optic that will almost never leave the gun? Get a larue
If you swap a lot? Get something else...my lmt mws was so fucked up that I had to get a new upper receiver..but every time the phone rang I was swapping out my N6i for the nightforce 5.5-22x50
Bench
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Whats up with these pussies who suffer from low self esteem so they have to buy a big gun to feel like a man.
You do realize you are posting on a bodybuilding forum right?
Bench
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.22 Hollow point will always do the job.
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seems like the 5.7 is nothing like .22 mag good find cant deny the gel .....lol time to hit the gym for back day need to get swole
Well, I did say NORTH of a .22 LR. I didn't say how far north. ;)
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NOMAD -
What will you be using it for? Home protection, concealed carry?
Can't go wrong with Glock unless you aren't used to that type of trigger safety, then you will shoot yourself when drawing it in a panic situation. They are cheap, reliable and parts / customization is endless.
Sigs are great but..little pricey. They'll last forever.
LAPD is moving their whole force to S&W M&P 9mm. Military still utilizes the Beretta 92FS (great, reliable, but heavy).
You will find that you may want to own different guns for different purposes. When in the woods for large animal protection .357 mag, home defense maybe a .45, concealed carry, 9mm as the ammo is cheap so you will get more practice with this caliber.
for example -
I have a .357 for hiking
Glock and a couple other full size for outside waist holster carry (winter time when you can conceal with jacket)
Kahr CW9 (9mm) for "pocket pistol" carry. Inside waist or underarm shirt holster carry when at work, church or anywhere I REALLY want to hide the fact I'm carrying...or where pistols are privately banned (restaurants my wife and kids like, local movie theater etc..)
My $0.02 advice -
-Go to a local range, rent some of their guns and try different ones / calibers.
-Learn your local carry and deadly force laws.
-Have an attorney in mind because if you ever have to kill someone you WILL need one. Justified kill means no jail but it doesn't mean the bad guys money hungry family / baby momma won't sue you in civil court.
-Buy a safe to keep your gun in.
thanks for all the tips.
Self defense & home protection. CCW would be awesome but I am in maryland, in a college town thats basically surrounded by low to mid income neighborhoods.
At most I'll carry it to my car and keep it there whilst running errands but ccw would take forever in this libfuck state.
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thanks for all the tips.
Self defense & home protection. CCW would be awesome but I am in maryland, in a college town thats basically surrounded by low to mid income neighborhoods.
At most I'll carry it to my car and keep it there whilst running errands but ccw would take forever in this libfuck state.
I have a 7.5" 300 blackout as my truck gun..with a suppressor for it in my center console lol
Bench
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I have a 7.5" 300 blackout as my truck gun..with a suppressor for it in my center console lol
Bench
Even with you being LEO, I would think that there would be eyebrows raised with a righteous shoot involving a NFA item. I don't have a truck gun, but if I did, it would be something vanilla and painful, like my 870.
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Even with you being LEO, I would think that there would be eyebrows raised with a righteous shoot involving a NFA item. I don't have a truck gun, but if I did, it would be something vanilla and painful, like my 870.
It's just a rifle with a short barrel...nothing more
Not like it's fully auto with kill notches carved in the stock lol
Bench
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It's just a rifle with a short barrel...nothing more
Not like it's fully auto with kill notches carved in the stock lol
Bench
I was referring to the can.
Do you like the blackout? It seems like a pretty neat idea. That's the round that uses necked 5.56x45, right?
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I was referring to the can.
Do you like the blackout? It seems like a pretty neat idea. That's the round that uses necked 5.56x45, right?
dude if its legit can , you can even hunt dear with it .... I'm to impatient to wait for a short barrel but that's probably what I would run but with NATO 5.56 just to keep it simple . I would carry it in a yellow pelican box as well just so it looks like survey equipment
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dude if its legit can , you can even hunt dear with it .... I'm to impatient to wait for a short barrel but that's probably what I would run but with NATO 5.56 just to keep it simple . I would carry it in a yellow pelican box as well just so it looks like survey equipment
I get it. And I have plenty of NFA toys around. It just seems that in any self-defense situation, the less explanation about the SD weapon used, the better. I like the 870 because it's vanilla and because I dislike the idea of explaining to a jury why I used a MP5SD more than I like the idea of draining a 30 round stick into some goblin.
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I was referring to the can.
Do you like the blackout? It seems like a pretty neat idea. That's the round that uses necked 5.56x45, right?
I'm on the fence with the blackout..it's better than the 556 for super short barrel and being quiet..that's it..the 556 slays it on every other aspect
I'm not worried about the suppressor..it's never attached in the vehicle..even if it was I wouldn't worry about it..
Bench
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NOMAD - does your city allow these ? Decent alternative
http://www.beststungun.com/advanced-taser-m18l.html (http://www.beststungun.com/advanced-taser-m18l.html)
I also carry this
http://www.feelsafernow.com/wildfire_18_pepper_spray.htm (http://www.feelsafernow.com/wildfire_18_pepper_spray.htm)
..in case of a lesser threat or to determine how bad they want me to shoot them :) . If you hit them with this and they keep advancing you shoot and can tell the jury / cops you tried less lethal means but they kept advancing. I've used this stuff many times especially downtown with aggressive bums / crackheads. Oh and the one "gangsta" who was drunk and wanted to fight me.
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NOMAD - does your city allow these ? Decent alternative
http://www.beststungun.com/advanced-taser-m18l.html (http://www.beststungun.com/advanced-taser-m18l.html)
I also carry this
http://www.feelsafernow.com/wildfire_18_pepper_spray.htm (http://www.feelsafernow.com/wildfire_18_pepper_spray.htm)
..in case of a lesser threat or to determine how bad they want me to shoot them :) . If you hit them with this and they keep advancing you shoot and can tell the jury / cops you tried less lethal means but they kept advancing. I've used this stuff many times especially downtown with aggressive bums / crackheads. Oh and the one "gangsta" who was drunk and wanted to fight me.
just remember and be aware...everytime you spray that OC spray...your getting hit too...ive never sprayed anyone but everytime ive been close to someone who has we were all covered in that shit..
bench
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yeah that's why I always try to get the foam stream ..no misting / overspray
even if a bit hits you , it may make you cough a bit but it won't turn you into a crying, snot dripping hacking your guts out mess ;D
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Thanks for the recommendations guys.
Just got a 6.5 Grendel upper in the mail today. Now good luck finding the ammos. Need to buy a press.
Picking up a Burris AR-FFL tomorrow with a riser.
Anyone in non restricted states willing to ship me a couple of 30rds mags please pm me. I'll make it worth your trouble.
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Thanks for the recommendations guys.
Just got a 6.5 Grendel upper in the mail today. Now good luck finding the ammos. Need to buy a press.
Picking up a Burris AR-FFL tomorrow with a riser.
Anyone in non restricted states willing to ship me a couple of 30rds mags please pm me. I'll make it worth your trouble.
grendels arent bad at all for longer range..i have limited experience with the grendel but i liked it..
not great for a CQB round...but it was never meant for that anyways..
bench
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Rare round but , cool gun ... I've wanted the Beowulf for a good while , that's a bad ass cartridge... I also want a .450 bushmaster
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Picked up the SIG M400 yesterday. Really wanted a gas operated AR upper so seemed like a decent deal for under 1k. Came with a Magpull Mbus, which doesn't have any vertical adjustments. Can hit shit at 100 yards unless I drop the front iron sight until it's out of scope literally. Planning on putting a Hawk red dot on tomorrow, wondering if there's a high scope mount you would recommend. Thanks Chief.
(http://i1205.photobucket.com/albums/bb425/A23Corp/876087869876980769876/fc2d2b6d-3587-451d-815d-331d1b758c49_zpscb7574c6.jpg)
(http://i1205.photobucket.com/albums/bb425/A23Corp/876087869876980769876/ba63100e-8924-4dae-9e7f-9cea6a34c667_zpsc32c701b.jpg)
Now I am so jealous, grrrrrrrrrrrrr.......... .....
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Anyone in non restricted states willing to ship me a couple of 30rds mags please pm me. I'll make it worth your trouble.
6.5? Or mil spec 556 mags?
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another thread that's a blatant and brutal attempt at sounding tough and manly. You always do the same shit, last time it was your shitty humvee, your shitty rifle... Just like spermastase you keep running in circle doing the same attention whoring crap every year it's sad. Next to follow; an owning, a gay ass dramatic departure and ..comeback a year later. We all know you re a weak minded, insecure, fat lonely nerdy weirdo , stop pretending. You can get as fat/big as you want , buy and post as many pictures of guns you want, we still know you re a mental midget.
Why would you say that?
Even Alex can change can't he?
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6.5? Or mil spec 556 mags?
556 and 762x39.
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Sweet gun. I was looking at these online for my first possible AR purchase. You've got the gun. Now it's time to move to Texas and get the bitches.
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Sweet gun. I was looking at these online for my first possible AR purchase. You've got the gun. Now it's time to move to Texas and get the bitches.
LOL I already have that. but the bang for the $$$ in real estate square footage, quality and decent people is unmatched. I still think it's overlooked, again I guess it depends on your beliefs and values.
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Alright gents, first firearm
sig 226 for ~600-700 or do I have better options for 9 mil?
Get what feels good in your hand
I would get the sig226, reliable and sexy
http://www.sigsauer.com/CatalogProductDetails/p226-mk25.aspx
^extra couple 100 you can get this put this next to a glock and it's a no brainier
I will get flamed for saying this and don't get me wrong glock is a great super reliable gun,but I don't like plastic guns. Too much like a toy and frankly it's like the ugly sister if you compare it to a sig
http://criminalminds.wikia.com/wiki/Glock_9mm?file=Glock_17_19_26.jpg
^The pic from the link should help you decide, IMO if you go this route go G19
Beretta 92fs I would look at as well, just depends what fits and feels good in YOUR hand 92fsa1 if you want a rail to put a light on it
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^ in before glock fan boys flame me, lol ;D
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Get what feels good in your hand
I would get the sig226, reliable and sexy
http://www.sigsauer.com/CatalogProductDetails/p226-mk25.aspx
^extra couple 100 you can get this put this next to a glock and it's a no brainier
I will get flamed for saying this and don't get me wrong glock is a great super reliable gun,but I don't like plastic guns. Too much like a toy and frankly it's like the ugly sister if you compare it to a sig
http://criminalminds.wikia.com/wiki/Glock_9mm?file=Glock_17_19_26.jpg
^The pic from the link should help you decide, IMO if you go this route go G19
Beretta 92fs I would look at as well, just depends what fits and feels good in YOUR hand 92fsa1 if you want a rail to put a light on it
The Mk25 is about $1100 and isn't worth it. It has night sights, and an anchor tattooed on it. Yay.
I can't even look at the Beretta 92/M9. It's heavy, low cap (15 rounds in that size gun), has an unsupported chamber, and is relatively finicky.
I used to be a Sig guy, but in switched to a Glock guy. The Glock is inexpensive, the most rounds per weight, standardized, easy to upgrade, maintain, and the most rugged.
Yes, they take getting used to and yes, they aren't beautiful, but they run. Man, do they run.
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If you want a dot sight I would recommend an AimPoint. The battery lasts for years. Yes, years. They are really hard to damage too. Eotech sites are good but it has a poor battery life and I think they are easier to damage than AimPoint but I have only read that.
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They don't need to understand it. Texas will continue to produce warfighters, and men of honor and everyone else can continue producing skinny jeans wearing cowards
Bench
True story.
I wouldn't leave this state for anything.
8)
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Picked up the SIG M400 yesterday. Really wanted a gas operated AR upper so seemed like a decent deal for under 1k. Came with a Magpull Mbus, which doesn't have any vertical adjustments. Can hit shit at 100 yards unless I drop the front iron sight until it's out of scope literally. Planning on putting a Hawk red dot on tomorrow, wondering if there's a high scope mount you would recommend. Thanks Chief.
(http://i1205.photobucket.com/albums/bb425/A23Corp/876087869876980769876/fc2d2b6d-3587-451d-815d-331d1b758c49_zpscb7574c6.jpg)
(http://i1205.photobucket.com/albums/bb425/A23Corp/876087869876980769876/ba63100e-8924-4dae-9e7f-9cea6a34c667_zpsc32c701b.jpg)
Brutal $10 Dell keyboard
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Brutal $10 Dell keyboard
Hah
I only opened this thread out of sheer curiosity as to what on earth a UK based person could bring to the table in such a dense discussion of liberty and putting holes in stuff from far distances.
I was not disappointed with the answer
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Hah
I only opened this thread out of sheer curiosity as to what on earth a UK based person could bring to the table in such a dense discussion of liberty and putting holes in stuff from far distances.
I was not disappointed with the answer
I try to leave everyone happy :)
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This got "Best AR Optic 2013" award. reasonable price to.
http://www.gundigest.com/gun-accessory-reviews-articles/optics-reviews-articles/tactical-optics/leatherwood-cmr-review-best-ar-15-optic-2013 (http://www.gundigest.com/gun-accessory-reviews-articles/optics-reviews-articles/tactical-optics/leatherwood-cmr-review-best-ar-15-optic-2013)
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The Mk25 is about $1100 and isn't worth it. It has night sights, and an anchor tattooed on it. Yay.
I can't even look at the Beretta 92/M9. It's heavy, low cap (15 rounds in that size gun), has an unsupported chamber, and is relatively finicky.
I used to be a Sig guy, but in switched to a Glock guy. The Glock is inexpensive, the most rounds per weight, standardized, easy to upgrade, maintain, and the most rugged.
Yes, they take getting used to and yes, they aren't beautiful, but they run. Man, do they run.
I would never! And I mean never recommend a sig, or H&K for a person new to handguns..the slide height is like a shoe box..I always recommend glocks due to the short slide height, reliability, and it's ease of point and shoot..
I have sigs and H&K...I don't recommend them though..your just buying a name..reliable? Hell yeah, worth it over a glock at less than half the price? No!
Bench
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Get what feels good in your hand
I would get the sig226, reliable and sexy
http://www.sigsauer.com/CatalogProductDetails/p226-mk25.aspx
^extra couple 100 you can get this put this next to a glock and it's a no brainier
I will get flamed for saying this and don't get me wrong glock is a great super reliable gun,but I don't like plastic guns. Too much like a toy and frankly it's like the ugly sister if you compare it to a sig
http://criminalminds.wikia.com/wiki/Glock_9mm?file=Glock_17_19_26.jpg
^The pic from the link should help you decide, IMO if you go this route go G19
Beretta 92fs I would look at as well, just depends what fits and feels good in YOUR hand 92fsa1 if you want a rail to put a light on it
I love polymer guns..the first thing I do to them is send them off for grip reduction, texturing, beaver tail, and notch the trigger guard for a very high grip....something all handguns need..but you can only do it on polymer
Bench
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I love polymer guns..the first thing I do to them is send them off for grip reduction, texturing, beaver tail, and notch the trigger guard for a very high grip....something all handguns need..but you can only do it on polymer
Bench
Specific shit chief. You're a polymer freak. Modifying a Mag-pull I just bought as speak. So far looks like 32 rounds is spring approved.
Combined with this, http://ar-magmagnet.com/, a legislative joke has been made.
In the meantime Feinstein just tripped on a cock. She thought it was a Kishka with lesbians at the end.
This is where our country is going. Lighten up Pats. 1776 all over again.
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Picked up the SIG M400 yesterday. Really wanted a gas operated AR upper so seemed like a decent deal for under 1k. Came with a Magpull Mbus, which doesn't have any vertical adjustments. Can hit shit at 100 yards unless I drop the front iron sight until it's out of scope literally. Planning on putting a Hawk red dot on tomorrow, wondering if there's a high scope mount you would recommend. Thanks Chief.
(http://i1205.photobucket.com/albums/bb425/A23Corp/876087869876980769876/fc2d2b6d-3587-451d-815d-331d1b758c49_zpscb7574c6.jpg)
(http://i1205.photobucket.com/albums/bb425/A23Corp/876087869876980769876/ba63100e-8924-4dae-9e7f-9cea6a34c667_zpsc32c701b.jpg)
per my recommendation my brother got the same ar. quality.
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per my recommendation my brother got the same ar. quality.
Check out a sig 516 or 716 patrol. Very cool and you can change the settings to keep running if it gets dirty. Sig hired the guys from HK that built the hk416(last thing bin laden saw) and made it better,and it is. Google sig 516 torture test they pull it out of mud,water,mix ammo everything, great video
Great posts everyone I enjoy herring every ones opinions and why :)
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Get what feels good in your hand
I would get the sig226, reliable and sexy
http://www.sigsauer.com/CatalogProductDetails/p226-mk25.aspx
^extra couple 100 you can get this put this next to a glock and it's a no brainier
I will get flamed for saying this and don't get me wrong glock is a great super reliable gun,but I don't like plastic guns. Too much like a toy and frankly it's like the ugly sister if you compare it to a sig
http://criminalminds.wikia.com/wiki/Glock_9mm?file=Glock_17_19_26.jpg
^The pic from the link should help you decide, IMO if you go this route go G19
Beretta 92fs I would look at as well, just depends what fits and feels good in YOUR hand 92fsa1 if you want a rail to put a light on it
Im going to a gun range very soon with a few buddies and maybe even a few girls I know :D Going to try out a few guns. Aiming for 9mm only, figure ammo is cheap and plenty compared to .45. Eventually I want to get a real, .45 handgun but thats when i have actual income, not just my ebay sales thingy.
Yea, not very getbiggerish of me; not going to be striking any semi nude back double bi poses for my guy buddies.
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Specific shit chief. You're a polymer freak. Modifying a Mag-pull I just bought as speak. So far looks like 32 rounds is spring approved.
Combined with this, http://ar-magmagnet.com/, a legislative joke has been made.
In the meantime Feinstein just tripped on a cock. She thought it was a Kishka with lesbians at the end.
This is where our country is going. Lighten up Pats. 1776 all over again.
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