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so after all the recently fast increasing death pool of atheltes, it was time to have everything checked out, bc im a very intesnse natural lifter who eats big,i thought maybe the heart ventricular growth could happen to me too, and checking cholesterol levels etc is always good.
so since i was fasted anyway(bloodwork you must be fasted, take note, permafatties)and have slight flu and wanted to have something checked on shoulder anyway, i go the doctors ordination.
i go nicely dressed, none of the 80s style spageti wifebeater shirts(bc its too cold,not bc id be underdressed), and the full head of hair(further proof of my natural status,incase there was ever doubts) nicely geled down,italian style.
in the elevater, you know, i called the elevater, i didnt feel like walking the stairs, bc i destroyed my legs the other day in the gym, with supersets of squats,posing in mirror, rinse repeat.
so the eleveter arives and opens up, i notice theres already someone in there, then the sharp galeniko senses realize its female.and not fat at first sight(didnt spill out of elevatr),so could be hot.
before she can see me, i put on slight duckface, as if its the most normal thing in the world.first impression in everything.
the gentleman that i am, i make handsign to let her out instead of rushing into the cabin.
but she says, nono i must go higher up, i see that we both have to go on same floor.
she seems not unhappy about being alone with me in the elevtr cabin.
one minute later i realize shes my docs new nurse.she is stil behaving professionaly,atleast on the surface.
she asks me what id like to have checked-why i am there.
i think to myself"it would be nice if i could fuck you little bit and put a foot of yours in my mouth while doing so"(she wears skintight pants, very very good figure,not on par with mine,but very solid).
but yeah i say i want the heart monitored, xrayed, check if there left ventricle growth, full bloodwork and couple other things.
she says ok we start with the bloodpressure check, you know this round things that presses your arm together.a machine.
so i remove my jacket,and i put my forearm into the thing that presses the arm together,it barely fits.
she laughs and says nono the upper arm is supposed to go there.
my huge cannon guns just barely fit there,and the machine starts, it presses really tight, and my veins pop out like crazy. 8)
i can see how she stares at my arms, but i cant yet tell is it shock, disbelief, arousal.
the result was 120-80 and pulse at rest 60bpm, see how that cardio pays off,fatties.
now on to the taking blood, and now i swear this is not exagerated. a phone call comes and she picks it up.im sitting few feet behind her, and shes with her back towards me and rolls her ass on her chair, and extremly spreads her unbelievable legs.not a bit, but almost does a spilt and i swear to the death of my mother shes rubbing her vagine on the chair.
her postion i cant call anything else but the spider stance,upper body layed forward, ass towards me, legs spreading.this goes on for 2minutes or so. this has made me an epic stiffie.
now she finished the call and turns around and says sorry this was imporatent call, we can now move on to the taking blood, she uses a strap to bind off the upper arm so the veins come out, i flex the guns a few times and the veins pop out anyway and she says now openly"i love it when the muscular guys come here,their veins show so easy"obviously shes talking not about the fatsobulkers, so keep that in mind.
and i reply to that"well and our kind isnt much afraid of needles either", this was a good ice breaker,i think.
btw keep in mind that the doc has told me i have to ask her if she got time to go through all the checks,bc shes "very busy today".he wanted me to make anothe rapointment, but she, without even asking, went through the very whole programme.took couple hours.but keep that in mind for later on.
after the bloodsucking, next was heart monitoring.and i may remove my clothes.haha,im hoping my stiffie dont go entirely away before im undressed.
but as i want to remove my pants she says,nono,just shirt and taking off shoes and socks will do.haha ;D ;D
i jumped the shark there a bit.
so i remove the shirt,making sure to suck the stomach in,and stand there in "relaxed" pose.
now shes speechless for a moment(maybe spontaneus climax-orgasm?)
she ask me to lay down, i do so, and see from angle of eyes how the abs still pop out even though im laying there, but its hard flexing them permenently, getting out of breath a bit.
as she puts the electrdes on my upper body, she touches my chest in disbelief and says"my god, this is all solid mucle"
i say "yeah,is that a problem?" she says nono biut she needs to find my ribs to put electrodes on.
so as we are through this,next step is xray.
while shes putting on the safety lead piece on me she touches me as if i was a 1billion dollar jewlery piece.
to make this short, the heart is fine, no increased size, no left ventrii blabla.she "formaly" asks me how old i am,eventhough she knows anyway she had my health insurance card,lol, i reply with question how old are YOU :D
shes 19 she said.instand stiffy again for me.
we discuss the bloodwork results.
here are the most important parameters, if some docs or anyone has questions about other parameters,ill ost them.anyway.
white blood cells 10.8 10^3/ul this means slightly elevated
red bloodcells on the lower side 4.6
glucose 4.9nmol/l this is perfect, so not on the way to melitus city(galeniko diet cant fail)
triglycerides 1.42nmol/l whats there to say, this is phenomenal reading.
cholesterol(chol) 6.7nmol/l well this is not so pleasant,but they said this can be daily volatilty, and bc i had eaten 6hrs before, usualy they ask you to not eat 12hrs out.ah yeah and arimidex could ahve something to do with this, a 100% or so.
now, kidney......
(urea) piss acid: 14.0 nmol/l this one i dont like at all.this was never so high in my life...
(crea) creatinine: 112 umol/l this is elevated but normal and has come down overal.the more muscle one carries the higher this will read, keep in mind permafatis,if this isnt elevated, you know what this says about your physique.
gout, this has come down i used to have severe issues with this
no protein traces in my pepee.this is good.
oh yeah liver values:
alp alcalic phosphatase(liver,bones etc) 47u/L this is on the lower end, very excellent reading
got(asat)liver : 37u/L this is within normal range this used to be 110! after oral cycle.
gpt(alat)liver: 33u/L this is good too.this used to be 230! after cycle of orals, pay attention dj181 you fucking retarded mongoloid
ok after this, she asked me if i want to have a smoke-ciggy with her on the roof of building, i said yeah, we got to know eachother really well and fast, talked interesting things, she told me where she works her second job i told her ill visit her there(bc its a social kinda place).
after this she asked me if i wanna go home or go with her where she buys her and docs lunch, i went with her, this was almost romantic haha.
this is a lovely girl, will def meet her, she followed me all the way to the elevater, where it all started.
so,there you go.
heart good shape,nothing grown.
lungs despite smoking, tip top shape(i dont suck the vapors down)
liver healthy,not enlarged.
kidneys....well.....do you want the 1:1 original quote? here : "this is exactly how you eventualy blow a kidney out, if you lucky 1 stay in shape,if not,need transplat" keep in mind when reading about megadoses, this is clean diet and hrt.never forget this.
i have old bloodwork sheets here and from what i see, it takes 3-4months off time to get them down to the highest acceptable level.
cholesterol is fine, esp considering the adex.
i hope the tren is best fools realize that tren is much harder on the cholesterol than test+adex.
cheers.would like to know what some docs say, i know what mine said. :D
remember,hrt.
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uberman wall of text.
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i just skipped through this story
but im guessing gal meets girl
flexes his muscles
goes home alone and wanks off to a highly modified version of what actually happened
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Great fucking story while sipping my Jamaica Blue Mountain. My experience was similar except I got a rectal. But she had small fingers. She wanted to know where I got my Serostim. My lips are sealed even though my ass wasn't.
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We like you, Gal, but not enough to read the whole thing. Not even half of it frankly. So, are you dying or not?
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i just skipped through this story
but im guessing gal meets girl
flexes his muscles
goes home alone and wanks off to a highly modified version of what actually happened
Yes, but there's some actual sciency stuff in there. Apparently, Gal is gonna blow a kidney and he's all-natural or HRT.
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http://edrv.endojournals.org/cgi/content/meeting_abstract/34/03_MeetingAbstracts/SAT-573
http://edrv.endojournals.org/cgi/content/meeting_abstract/34/03_MeetingAbstracts/SAT-573
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/19342698/?i=2&from=/20518199/related
My 5 minutes google research. And on and on. Most things that I can find seem to suggest CV goodness from TRT and the first cite even suggests that TRT helps your liver (WTF?).
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Got my bloods done Wednesday morning. Male doctor in his late 50's, wait a week for results, nothing quite as sexual as gals situation
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Nobody cares.
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Got my bloods done Wednesday morning. Male doctor in his late 50's, wait a week for results, nothing quite as sexual as gals situation
Me too, LOL. Gal lives in a porno film. I wonder if that cheesy 70's porno funk music was playing while she "checked his heart?"
Next she will need to do a DRE "just to be sure". Bomp-titi-BOW-WOW!
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Nobody cares.
Not true. Other than living in a porno film, his lifestyle and health is pretty emblematic of other's here. Hopefully, nobody else has to die for us bitches.
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Nobody cares.
Asshole go fuck yourself. You're going back to time out. You kunt.
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Nobody cares.
hey guy, i thought you promised to keep your inbred mongoloid ass to your own thread in the general section.
now fuck off , son of a trailer trash drunk aids riddled whore.
yah sure, bigmc, as if i would have to prove one single thing anymore here ::)
besides the 1000pics,the 20vodeos, and vaginal shots of various girls.
and then when i at times have had it with the site,its always oh come back.oh it was joke.
i dont like those kinds of jokes, can talk to shizzo in that way.
yah,aj, the purpose is to showcase the impacts on health.
here i go post the medical record and open about gear use, wheres so many cnuts here have not yet had the guts to even post a pic.
its layman term stuff, this is whats to be expected on hrt with clean diet most of the time, now takes now einstein to roughly figure out what gonna hapen on higher,or much higher dosages.
health or look,it seems.
to put it very clear.
if not the heart suddenly, then maybe slowly.
besides that itll be a "race" betwen kidneys and liver.
now if one develops a fatty liver ,hes a total winner and pretty much dead man walking if they carry on.
therefore, theres no apologists bullshit here, steroids arent "safe" not even at smallest doses.
and heres a guy who takes his diet very serious.
oh well, still alive,all good.
and to all the shit eaters, dont like the story?well,post a better one, you undiscovered entertaiment prodigies ::)
show me the ways ::) ::)
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hey guy, i thought you promised to keep your inbred mongoloid ass to your own thread in the general section.
now fuck off , son of a trailer trash drunk aids riddled whore.
yah sure, bigmc, as if i would have to prove one single thing anymore here ::)
besides the 1000pics,the 20vodeos, and vaginal shots of various girls.
and then when i at times have had it with the site,its always oh come back.oh it was joke.
i dont like those kinds of jokes, can talk to shizzo in that way.
yah,aj, the purpose is to showcase the impacts on health.
here i go post the medical record and open about gear use, wheres so many cnuts here have not yet had the guts to even post a pic.
its layman term stuff, this is whats to be expected on hrt with clean diet most of the time, now takes now einstein to roughly figure out what gonna hapen on higher,or much higher dosages.
health or look,it seems.
to put it very clear.
if not the heart suddenly, then maybe slowly.
besides that itll be a "race" betwen kidneys and liver.
now if one develops a fatty liver ,hes a total winner and pretty much dead man walking if they carry on.
therefore, theres no apologists bullshit here, steroids arent "safe" not even at smallest doses.
and heres a guy who takes his diet very serious.
oh well, still alive,all good.
and to all the shit eaters, dont like the story?well,post a better one, you undiscovered entertaiment prodigies ::)
show me the ways ::) ::)
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I live about 40 mins away from Constance, just over the Swiss border.
I can confirm that the women here are all already whispering Galeniko's name. Your reputation is preceding you mate!
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fuck off and stop using that reaction image that misc popularized.
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fuck off and stop using that reaction image that misc popularized.
misc? Nobody used this pic before me on here.
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tooo much reading
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So what happens to these values when you go off??
You think its bad to be putting your body through the stress of going on and off ?
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misc? Nobody used this pic before me on here.
(http://www.thebeveragestore.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/500x500/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/p/o/popov.jpg)
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So what happens to these values when you go off??
You think its bad to be putting your body through the stress of going on and off ?
Lmao @ us rationalizing gear use! "Once you are on, baby, getting off will just kill you. Gotta ride it out!"
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Lmao @ us rationalizing gear use! "Once you are on, baby, getting off will just kill you. Gotta ride it out!"
;D
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So what happens to these values when you go off??
You think its bad to be putting your body through the stress of going on and off ?
well,the liver recoverd very very fast, i honestly belived itd take half a year, but its already in perfect parameters.and i wasnt even fully starved, and trained yesterday, this will give higher liver readings.
blood lipids, never had problems with triglycerides, and the cholesterol is better off adex, but the cholesterol is always slightly over the upper limit, gear or no gear, this has more to do with how clean the diet is.if its clean,all is good, if its just a little bit unclean, say 300calories of shit foods a day, then it turns worse.
kidney, theres no doubt, off for 4-6 months and its on pper normal limit.this one has nothing to do with diet, this one has everything to do with supplements.and no, i never use diuretics, so its not that.
maybe mt2 is not so good for kidneys either.but plain bit gear is the cause.
i got it explained to me in dumbed down lingo so i could understand.it is a little bit scary scenario.to put it most simple, they get clogged up and then theres the day of sudden renal insuffiency.
so yeah,can forget that blonie about steroids being safe on kidneys(and liver), and only diuretics causing problems.
nah diuretics are totaly other league, theyre 50-50 heart-kidney killers.
maybe this will make some of the twinks who are smaller than me think about things when they plan their monster cycles.it certainly should.
and yeah, everyone who doesnt monitor the body like the above but does gear is bothersomely retarded.
and lets not even get started on gh,or slin.
i wonder if some ppl will still claim 2-3ius gh daily has no sides.lol, sure it has no sides,it cant have sides can it.
esp those who dont even pay attention to diet and naively think the drugs will fix all their shortcomings.the only thing that saves those clowns is that they soon give up bc their results are piss poor, and that itd be socialy indefendable to admit ped use with those results.
now, going on and off.you know how that is.you go on, say 6months,or 3, whichever, the gains are there, now coming off, sudden estrogen flooding, the size goes good bye, getting fatter, first thing back on gear must diet a bit, or the estrogen issues will never end.etctc.
but it helps the health.not because any of that impotence-potence bs, but bc inner organs.
so whats the conclusion...always on,evn trt, sooner or later=problemos.smartest thing to have everything checked regularly,and when parameters get too high,way off, stop, recover, restart.
that said, its time for off time it seems :-X
the concerning about that one parameter is, i have jst been off,lol.
fuck the arms gonna shrink an inch,this gonna suck
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ah yeah, the liver, it has no nerves on the inside, you wont feel anything.even at alat parameter 200+ , there will not be yellow eyes(jaundice,this is the time where you sign uo for transplant, or make testament).
kidney,well if it hepls, you will feel an unmistakable stinging pain, you wont confuse it with achy lower back or so,nono, you will know it, its the kind of pain where you dont need lessons to know what it is.on a scale of 1-100, its 200.
heart, can happenangina pectoralis, by then you are neck deep in shit, evry close to atleast a stroke.
and who hasnt had this on clen or efedrina, when the heart kinda sets out a few beats, to then let loose like a mchinegun.like 5 beats per second.
ask doctor how good that is, and whether this was a "close call"
yahyah, the "its all drugs" cacophonists, go ahead and give it a try :D :D
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How about dropping the dose to 100mg a week...that's gotta be good enough for your internal organs no?
If that's too much for anyone than you probably don't even deserve to live...
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How long have you been on "creatine"? Is there anything else in your history that could contribute to these values other than creatine (we don't want any omitted variables)? What are your plans for future creatine supplementation given what you've learned here?
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How long have you been on "creatine"? Is there anything else in your history that could contribute to these values other than steroids (we don't want any omitted variables? What are your plans for future creatine supplementation given what you've learned here?
you know how long it takes between two football championships?about that long.
nah the previous history, those issues were fixed-reversed many years ago, also checked bloodwork.
hm, the plan.well itd be delusional to think that urea parameter would fix itself if one carries on, so thatll mean truly off until that revocers.
you know whe you order meat in restarant?you can order well through, bloody, half bloody.
this kidney of peace is half through.its the left one, i know for sure.now the numbers could be a bit misleading, most the dmg will be from the left one, ie, the right one is ok, the left one is worse than the numbers make one think.
they say its still a way to go until it atrophies and fails, but still carrying on is not an option.
when you hold the graph of all the bloodworks done, most numbers are volatile, go bit up bit down,or much up etc.but this one was constantly on the rise.
in retrospective, im glad the pe of chice wasnt tren.
ofc this mustnt happen to everyone, but im said to have constittion of an ox.
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Gal, if you could go back in time, would you ever take "supplements" in any dose? Meaning, I can't tell if you are even lamenting TRT levels.
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Galeniko surely there are people on HRT for years and years with no kidney problems. How do you know your kidney reading is down to your TRT dosing? Do you not think your ketogenic dieting has had a hard impact on the kidneys? What about recreational indulgences?
Nice story about the nurse btw, wish we had such good medical here in Ireland with hot nurses included. Really amazing you got all that checked over in a couple hours!
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Galeniko surely there are people on HRT for years and years with no kidney problems. How do you know your kidney reading is down to your TRT dosing? Do you not think your ketogenic dieting has had a hard impact on the kidneys? What about recreational indulgences?
Nice story about the nurse btw, wish we had such good medical here in Ireland with hot nurses included. Really amazing you got all that checked over in a couple hours!
Careful Ro.............. :D
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Galeniko surely there are people on HRT for years and years with no kidney problems. How do you know your kidney reading is down to your TRT dosing? Do you not think your ketogenic dieting has had a hard impact on the kidneys? What about recreational indulgences?
Nice story about the nurse btw, wish we had such good medical here in Ireland with hot nurses included. Really amazing you got all that checked over in a couple hours!
Yah! Get the blood stuff done; wait weeks?
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Yah! Get the blood stuff done; wait weeks?
I am starting to smell something here........ :D
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Gal, you need an echocargiogram to check for ventricular thickness/growth. Sounds like your lovely nurse just did an EKG. Many athletes even naturals will have slightly thicker left ventricles.
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Cool story bro
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I do same thing for years, every quarter. I am healthier on HRT than I am when I am OFF steroids.
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Galeniko surely there are people on HRT for years and years with no kidney problems. How do you know your kidney reading is down to your TRT dosing? Do you not think your ketogenic dieting has had a hard impact on the kidneys? What about recreational indulgences?
Nice story about the nurse btw, wish we had such good medical here in Ireland with hot nurses included. Really amazing you got all that checked over in a couple hours!
hey ro, yeah, thats what i was thinking too, bit excessive keto dieting for years.however, recently wasnt very keto,but this again mustnt mean much.
but the one constant is always when off, the urea prameter goes way down.im mostly real,real keto when off.
theres no rec habbits, the last such thing was many years ago.
yah the nurse was very nice, theres always something special about them, i mean, its always moraly nice ppl with good intent who pick those jobs, i think medical assistant is the right word, nurse is better paid but must do some very "shit" duties :D
aj, yes ofcourse comeback :D could so something "milder" compound, but running those alone would be quite weak.this realy was about the minimum.
usm usl: nah she just done what was told by the doc, the ekg is just one part, for lack off english terms, the very first thing ive asked the doc when i got there, being absolutely clear, was do you have the means in your odrination to see left ventricle growth, he straight up said yes,and he knows why im asking.so there.
chimps, yeah, he tried to make it a lenghty process, for he could charge then several settings or whatever his plan was, but i insisted very strongly,said im just off of work etc.this wasnt even everything, i done some untold other checks too.
I do same thing for years, every quarter. I am healthier on HRT than I am when I am OFF steroids.
its weird, same goes for my cholesterol levels.well, ofc arimidex,just as "promised" on the package, will obviously worsen these levels, but other than that, same.
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fuck off and stop using that reaction image that misc popularized.
it had definitely jumped the shark before it ever made its way onto GB.
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hey bro GREAT thread thanks for sharing this.
I'm with bigro on the trt causing the elevations you see regarding your kidneys esp your creatinine levels. I'm not thinking diet I'm thinking training. hard training sessions too close to the bloodwork being taken will cause an elevation in creatinine.
would it be possible to take 3 days off from the gym no cardio no weights no activity and retake the bloods?
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it had definitely jumped the shark before it ever made its way onto GB.
I ain't a loser like you. This is the only forum I visit. What does that say about you?
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shizzo - fuck off - relevant posters are trying to have a legitimate discussion.
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shizzo - fuck off - relevant posters are trying to have a legitimate discussion.
How many devices do you have on? Laptop? Phone? Desktop?
Pathetic.
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kidneys....well.....do you want the 1:1 original quote? here : "this is exactly how you eventualy blow a kidney out, if you lucky 1 stay in shape,if not,need transplant" keep in mind when reading about megadoses, this is clean diet and hrt.never forget this.
i have old bloodwork sheets here and from what i see, it takes 3-4months off time to get them down to the highest acceptable level.
Absolute lunacy. What you, indeed!
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hey bro GREAT thread thanks for sharing this.
I'm with bigro on the trt causing the elevations you see regarding your kidneys esp your creatinine levels. I'm not thinking diet I'm thinking training. hard training sessions too close to the bloodwork being taken will cause an elevation in creatinine.
would it be possible to take 3 days off from the gym no cardio no weights no activity and retake the bloods?
ah the creatinine is ok range, the urea is not :-X
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I ain't a loser like you. This is the only forum I visit. What does that say about you?
You also groveled and begged like a subservient little bitch to be let back onto this forum. What does that say about you?
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You also groveled and begged like a subservient little bitch to be let back onto this forum. What does that say about you?
How do you know? Another gimmick outed people.
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Did you mount the bitch?
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I do same thing for years, every quarter. I am healthier on HRT than I am when I am OFF steroids.
Bullshit.
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Am I going to owe $10 if I read this thread?
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great thread gal, one of your most informative and hilarious
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great thread gal, one of your most informative and hilarious
::)
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kidneys dont matter duhlenko keep doing what your dowing bro. keep pounding that meat and chowing down on roids
no seriously man calm down get off heme-iron you dumbass
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You should have got them to test HDL and LDL rather than just total cholesterol?
I would be surprised if the Adex is responsible for a high total count it usually just lowers HDL which is the same with oral AAS too.
I usually find with a semi cleanish diet on steroids my total cholesterol is fine and HDL is also in range when haven't taken orals for a while, if orals have been involved HDL is near undetectable. Only time I ever got a high reading for total cholesterol was when not on steroids and eating a shitty diet of fried breakfasts every day and loads of other crap.
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Well, HDL and LDL would indeed give us better picture but total cholesterol and TGL ain't insignificant either. What people do not realise is HDL isn't "cholesterol". It's a lipoprotein, a carrier of cholesterol particles. I am no biochemist, but it goes like this:
- HDL carries cholesterol to liver where it's metabolized.
- LDL carries cholesterol from liver to blood vessels and all over the fucking place
- Concentration isn't everything. The number of particles is most important - the fewer, the better. If you have "big" cholesterol particles you are better off with "big" cholesterol read than someone with "small" cholesterol particles.
- Low TGL is an indicator of having big cholesterol particles (fuck knows why, this is the part which I don't understand)
Of course it's optimal to have everything except HDL low but you can't have everything, can you. And given the fact that you have low TGL then maybe your health is not that bad at all.
Oh and fasting helps with lipid profile, there's a ton of research on that. Cardio as well.
Add omega3 fatty acids to your diet. It doesn't have to be anything extreme, just keep n-6 to n-3 ratio at 1:1 to 4:1. Niacin also will help. You can buy omega3 supplements in any store. When you do keep in mind that they vary when it comes to DHA and EPA concentrations. You want a supplement with least amount of fish oil and maximum amount of DHA and EPA. Vitamin E supplementation is also necessary when you supplement with omegas but usually they come with vitamin E in capsule.
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I will use the words of the great Ronald Reagan.
"Tear down these walls".......of text.
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I will use the words of the great Ronald Reagan.
"Tear down these walls".......of text.
hey bro its guys like you that make message boards gay.
you have some really good posters posting some very solid info and you have to clutter it up with your bullshit.
i used to feel bad for you for the abuse you take on here but now i see that its justified.
j
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Will read this later, but first I need to see pictures of the nurse.
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Will read this later, but first I need to see pictures of the nurse.
Yes this thread is somewhat disappointing.
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hey bro its guys like you that make message boards gay.
you have some really good posters posting some very solid info and you have to clutter it up with your bullshit.
i used to feel bad for you for the abuse you take on here but now i see that its justified.
j
What a revelation.
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What a revelation.
revelation is a great addition tho shizzo my nizzle,,,
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Am I going to owe $10 if I read this thread?
;D
conker, yes off gear with no "diet" is worst.
but it is the adex, ofc it is, bc all everything else has been the same, diet etc, i know in the u.s. they make distinction between hdl ldl,but its about the same thing, this is a 15-20% rise in cholesterol, and 10% rise in tgs, this is bit way too much.
they said could be daily fluctuations bc wasnt fasted for ong enough, but yeah never had higher than 5% jumps.
deceiver, everyhting done, fasting, cardio, the healthy fats, the cholesterol is still ok, at "7"nmol per liter they quaify you fit for medication.
without adex everything was in perfect range, now it was bit off.
i think this is unavoidable, just like its unavoidable with winny,tren and such.
too bad the kidneys dont recover as quick as the liver.
all i say ppl dont forget to get yourself checked.and have a smoewhat good diet.
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It depends on T dose and E2 levels as well. How much T do you take and how much adex? If your E2 is too low this could worsen your issues. Low e2 also kills joins, libido and so on.
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the e2 will be very very low,i know how to fix that.
now talked to doc a bit, seems like having eaten 100gramms proteina t once couple hours before , starvation , dehydration and overly training can raise the urea by up to 5nmol/l which would be ok range,all else condisedered.itd be just above max upper level, but under the level of concern.
10 is the limit level, where one has to take couple days off training.
ill do another one soon with no foods 12hrs prior.
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dj181 will win the Mr O next year.
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What were your blood pressure readings before you found out Gal ? Any warning signs ?
PS you will be fine brother..ignore the inevitable shithead remarks from twats who don't even train.
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What were your blood pressure readings before you found out Gal ? Any warning signs ?
PS you will be fine brother..ignore the inevitable shithead remarks from twats who don't even train.
Does anyone here have bigger arms than Groink? I am not seeing it yet.
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Does anyone here have bigger arms than Groink? I am not seeing it yet.
Out of active posters BigRo has biggest and best everyfuckingthing. Not necessarily a physique I would aspire to or get inspired by but there's no dispute here, he destroys everyone. Arm-wise it's hard to say who's next, Groink failed to post pictures in classic poses. Onetimehard has a say in here and few others as well.
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Out of active posters BigRo has biggest and best everyfuckingthing. Not necessarily a physique I would aspire to or get inspired by but there's no dispute here, he destroys everyone. Arm-wise it's hard to say who's next, Groink failed to post pictures in classic poses. Onetimehard has a say in here and few others as well.
Until someone tops this....case closed on regular guys here..thats 19.5 .... I'm not comparing myself competitive guys.......who also take 10 times what I do.
Sherif has very good arms. Galeniko has GREAT arms. Meso has sick arms. There are other guys...can't remember right now.... maybe I need to revive the ARM DON thread and everyone has to re-qualify with a NEW pic.
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Until someone tops this....case closed on regular guys here..thats 19.5 .... I'm not comparing myself competitive guys.......who also take 10 times what I do.
Sherif has very good arms. Galeniko has GREAT arms. Meso has sick arms. There are other guys...can't remember right now.... maybe I need to revive the ARM DON thread and everyone has to re-qualify with a NEW pic.
Groink is an ivory mountain of muscle.
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Until someone tops this....case closed on regular guys here..thats 19.5 .... I'm not comparing myself competitive guys.......who also take 10 times what I do.
Sherif has very good arms. Galeniko has GREAT arms. Meso has sick arms. There are other guys...can't remember right now.... maybe I need to revive the ARM DON thread and everyone has to re-qualify with a NEW pic.
Lets see.
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Lets see.
Arnold-esque peak and nicely filled posing briefs or peace
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Lets see.
Better than Ricky Steamboat.
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Arnold-esque peak and nicely filled posing briefs or peace
Are you going for the jets this year or you the fuck you are you in for?
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Better than Ricky Steamboat.
Serious hair volume as well
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Lets see.
Blue ridge mountain peaks on those arms
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Are you going for the jets this year or you the fuck you are you in for?
Jets might get in...either way they are having a better season than anyone expected...would be cool if they did. The Jets always make a little noise ir they get in.
Seahawks have always been my B team.
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Jets might get in...either way they are having a better season than anyone expected...would be cool if they did. The Jets always make a little noise ir they get in.
Seahawks have always been my B team.
Jets suck.
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Jets suck.
Fkng KILL you man.
;D
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Fkng KILL you man.
;D
Just play Radiohead at the funeral.
;D
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What were your blood pressure readings before you found out Gal ? Any warning signs ?
PS you will be fine brother..ignore the inevitable shithead remarks from twats who don't even train.
bp is and always was fine.
no warning signs at all.a sting in kidney area at times.
itd be good to compare results, age is a factor too, kidney get weaker after 30 gradually.
but as you said, many dont even train, these who do i dont see much checking bloodwork, i bet there would be some"hilarious" numbers :D
on the positive side, creatinine is low enough.
btw i read up the 3or 4 stages to renal insuffiency.often comes from high blood sugars and high blood pressure, so im safe about those.
stage 1 clear piss which kinda blubbers.
less than usual peeing is further down the road.
also "Some pain medications and other drugs (such as cancer drugs)" ah, thatll be anti estrogens,and estrogen inhibitors,then
ah and Excessive protein intake or protein catabolism increase BUN
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Jets might get in...either way they are having a better season than anyone expected...would be cool if they did. The Jets always make a little noise ir they get in.
Seahawks have always been my B team.
I like the Jets my team, Miami coming up a dog fight but its cold now we will see. I went to a Jets/Bears game once I ended up in a fight and almost missed my plane Rutherford NY. Wiggs will not be there.
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Lets see.
Wait till I find my contest pics, still looking!
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EGFR is worthless unless you take a week off training before blood work, I had 50% kidney function on one set of bloodwork! taken after three days in a row of high volume training sessions, while dehydrated in the morning. I had a kidney doc explain this, retest me in the office and show no protein in the urine and almost normal blood numbers after not lifting for a few days... It's an estimate.
Lucky I have great insurance so it cost me very little to learn there was nothing wrong with me..
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EGFR is worthless unless you take a week off training before blood work, I had 50% kidney function on one set of bloodwork! taken after three days in a row of high volume training sessions, while dehydrated in the morning. I had a kidney doc explain this, retest me in the office and show no protein in the urine and almost normal blood numbers after not lifting for a few days... It's an estimate.
Lucky I have great insurance so it cost me very little to learn there was nothing wrong with me..
yeah he said something similiar.
this wasnt anything near 50%, and indeed if one goes off training, the values will go down.
more accurate is to figure out how much the kidneys can clean in an hr or a day.theres a word for it, dont know the english term.
same here,insurance covers this, i dread to think how much this would cost otherwise, more than half day at the docs.
and the last protein rich meal sure didnt help things
thnaks for posting,this is very useful, comparing things.
whats your cholesterol like ,do you have numbers with and wo adex?
what the creatinine like?
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mawse, but here, even sport doctors will say if you go over 10nmol/l, that some off training days are in order.
no cardio either.
8.3 is regarded as the upper normal limit, 10+ is regarded as the point where its def too much
meaning , even if everythings fine, important to give it a rest sometimes.
aging sucks bad, will now have atleast 2 days off training weekly regardless of how "ready" i feel.
and maybe eating 100gramms protein 3 times daily all at once isnt sooooo smart.
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just did my physical too
cbc, ekg, etc
will scan results and post
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long live galeniko!
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just did my physical too
cbc, ekg, etc
will scan results and post
looking forward.
was it on supplements or not.can pm me which creatine was used :D
long live galeniko!
yah makin it to 50 would be good.and if not, a sudden light out please :D
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no supps I wish
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yeah he said something similiar.
this wasnt anything near 50%, and indeed if one goes off training, the values will go down.
more accurate is to figure out how much the kidneys can clean in an hr or a day.theres a word for it, dont know the english term.
same here,insurance covers this, i dread to think how much this would cost otherwise, more than half day at the docs.
and the last protein rich meal sure didnt help things
thnaks for posting,this is very useful, comparing things.
whats your cholesterol like ,do you have numbers with and wo adex?
what the creatinine like?
Oh man, Adex destroyed my Hdl, like down to 20, LDL was ok, triglycerides were good so it was fluffy LDL
But even bad cholesterol is only a 5% estimated risk, so I didn't worry too much
I was on 3 mg Adex, now I'm on 1 mg a week, estrogen is just in normal..getting old does suck I think we become more estrogen sensitive and aromatize more as we get older :( when young I used no ai and had ok estrogen even on 750 g a week test! Now even 200 is enough to cause higher e2
My liver is ok most tests , goes up if I use Tylenol too much or do Oral's, right now I am on 200 test, 100 masteron and I was on low anavar, now I am on 300 mg NPP instead. Will retest in a few months and post my values
Cardio, fish oil, no crap food, niacin all help my bloodwork the most
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yah the adex must be dosed wisely or it will cause bad things.
what about your kidney readings?well yeah all relative, but still, when it goes over 10nmol (euro units), its too much, even if its from training.
but some pp are at 8 already by default and preteinrich diet and training can raise that up 1-5nmol.which would be already "critical" state.
looks like the truly "healthy" limit is very very low.
having a good strenght base and lifting somewhat heavy will be a shock for the whole system every single time.
hey as you said, when i was young ,1gramm test and clean diet and i didnt even know what are anti estrogens, and the upper back was dry like a desert.
these days, hrt makes it spill over so terribly bad at times :-X
its interesting the triglycerides stay fine, but the hdl goes to shit.
liver values after few weeks on 90mg anavar daily:230alat.they seriously asked me if i have the aids when they seen the results.
i know, not training few days before testing,and eating carby diet,will bring "better" results, but that cant be the purpose can it, thats not how we live the rest of the year.
if they say this and that parameter is too high even cinsidering the training load,then it is.but the simple fix is day off the gym.
and will have atleast 2 non keto days weekly from now on.
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uberman wall of text.
X2. Why do you try to validate your juicer choices on here? Tap in the back? Seems like you're lonely ::)
Wait and see. It'll catch up to you.
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X2. Why do you try to validate your juicer choices on here? Tap in the back? Seems like you're lonely ::)
Wait and see. It'll catch up to you.
nah, the opposite.
serves as a warning flag to mindless juicing.
might be time to go natural
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nah, the opposite.
serves as a warning flag to mindless juicing.
might be time to go natural
My bad chief, misread your post.
Lots on my mind tonight. Thanks for the info and again sorry for lashing out like a menstruating cow.
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yah the adex must be dosed wisely or it will cause bad things.
what about your kidney readings?well yeah all relative, but still, when it goes over 10nmol (euro units), its too much, even if its from training.
but some pp are at 8 already by default and preteinrich diet and training can raise that up 1-5nmol.which would be already "critical" state.
looks like the truly "healthy" limit is very very low.
having a good strenght base and lifting somewhat heavy will be a shock for the whole system every single time.
hey as you said, when i was young ,1gramm test and clean diet and i didnt even know what are anti estrogens, and the upper back was dry like a desert.
these days, hrt makes it spill over so terribly bad at times :-X
its interesting the triglycerides stay fine, but the hdl goes to shit.
liver values after few weeks on 90mg anavar daily:230alat.they seriously asked me if i have the aids when they seen the results.
i know, not training few days before testing,and eating carby diet,will bring "better" results, but that cant be the purpose can it, thats not how we live the rest of the year.
if they say this and that parameter is too high even cinsidering the training load,then it is.but the simple fix is day off the gym.
and will have atleast 2 non keto days weekly from now on.
Did you have a cigarette before going in for the blood work galienko? Reason I ask that could bring down some blood values and maybe help you relax strange as it sounds.
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LOL defies the law of Polymers.
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My bad chief, misread your post.
Lots on my mind tonight. Thanks for the info and again sorry for lashing out like a menstruating cow.
no problem,man
one always knows inside that even hrt,is already on the dark side.
the pumps,those are result of the heart working harder, the water retention etc the small things, they add up over time.
theres a feelable difference betwen ped and natty after eating bad foods, it cant be denied.
oh well, maybe it will make a few ppl think,maybe not.
the purpose for one time is not selfish or showing off, its just showing that even hrt will tax the body eventualy.
its still the safest way to do some gear if one must do some, but in the recently commonly adviced megadoses everywhere, this is for balance purpose.
as in, if trt does this, then what will 10times trt do?etc
and useful small things, like the effect of anti estrogens, which are btw similiar to non estrogen convertible drugs for the the body.
mrnobody, yah ofc cigarete before, inbetween tests with the lovely nurse :-*
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no problem,man
one always knows inside that even hrt,is already on the dark side.
the pumps,those are result of the heart working harder, the water retention etc the small things, they add up over time.
theres a feelable difference betwen ped and natty after eating bad foods, it cant be denied.
oh well, maybe it will make a few ppl think,maybe not.
the purpose for one time is not selfish or showing off, its just showing that even hrt will tax the body eventualy.
its still the safest way to do some gear if one must do some, but in the recently commonly adviced megadoses everywhere, this is for balance purpose.
as in, if trt does this, then what will 10times trt do?etc
and useful small things, like the effect of anti estrogens, which are btw similiar to non estrogen convertible drugs for the the body.
mrnobody, yah ofc cigarete before, inbetween tests with the lovely nurse :-*
good work chief.
Like I've been saying for a while, women live 7-10 years older than men because of their lack of encounters with significant amounts of testosterone/androgens. It's a taxing molecule that triggers and/needs too much lipid panel alterations. Much like insulin taxes the ATP/ADN....
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hey bro its guys like you that make message boards gay.
you have some really good posters posting some very solid info and you have to clutter it up with your bullshit.
i used to feel bad for you for the abuse you take on here but now i see that its justified.
j
This is what we've all been saying for the past 6 months...
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great thread lots of good actual information, I agree with you 100% Gal on the TRT its making the best out of a using situation but its still taxing the body,
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I will use the words of the great Ronald Reagan.
"Tear down these walls".......of text.
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good work chief.
Like I've been saying for a while, women live 7-10 years older than men because of their lack of encounters with significant amount of testosterone/androgens. It's a taxing molecule that triggers and/needs too much lipid panel alteration. Much like insulin taxes the ATP/ADN....
yes, 250mg of test weekly(and yeah, i feel test is "stronger" than tren mg for mg,i dont care what anyone says,in sheer raw powerfulness,its stronger imo)will put a rock solid 20lbs of pure muscle minimum on everyone who trains and diets properly.
we talking real, pure muscle not the 30lbs 5 week dbol bloof thats pissed out upon cessation.
many dont follow a good diet protoco(they dont even make sure the protein intake)and then think 250weekly is nothing.
lol, "Nothing", 250 weekly is gonna be 5-10times the natural production of a male.
yeah some will argue ester weight blabla, but its 5-10times more than natural levels and theres nothing to argue about that.
this ofc will cause things, like estrogen also being much higher than usual etc.
bottomline, the side effect and wear-free cycle doesnt exist
to those who think things like anavar only will have no sides, rethink that.it will.
if the diet isnt dead on, best to stay away from all this.
great thread lots of good actual information, I agree with you 100% Gal on the TRT its making the best out of a using situation but its still taxing the body,
and additionaly to that, if one is gonna do that, they should simply stick to any ester of test and thats it.
there are more than 1 reason why test "won" the long race in drug of choice for trt.
it can be summed up very easy.
the non estrogen convertibles will all crash the lipids.this is in the nature of those peds.
the orals will do things to the liver.
the rest is too weak.
simple as that.
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What the fuck is this shit?
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THIS is THE shit.
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Haven't read all thread so not sure if i missed something, but why is the concern about kidneys?
High Urea and creatine levels can both be caused by high protein intake and muscle breakdown from weight training, don't think that alone should be too much concern. I think Gfr(kidney filtration rate) is considered a better marker for kidney function. Last time I had blood test I had high creatine and BUN(urea) but filtration rate was in normal range.
But I think even Gfr can be skewed by training and excessive protein diet, they need to do more in depth tests than blood work to really see how your kidneys are working, as BB lifestyle(even with no drugs) tends to skew kidney blood values.
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on a serious note
get your tests done after three rest days
i had my work done after going to the physio
they were all over the place
i went back two days later and everything was normal
heavy training, sports massage and diet can all have a dramatic effect
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Bullshit.
bullshit on our bullshit TrT keeps test at normal levels as opposed to lower than optimal levels. Why the fuck wouldnt he be healthier with normal test levels? ???
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So what happens to these values when you go off??
You think its bad to be putting your body through the stress of going on and off ?
Haha, this is exactly why i never go off! The stress to my body of not being on that sweet sweet sauce would be too much to handle. So I just never come off. Good to see others are also advocating my cycling philosophy of 12 months on - 12 months on repeat until death.
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Haha, this is exactly why i never go off! The stress to my body of not being on that sweet sweet sauce would be too much to handle. So I just never come off. Good to see others are also advocating my cycling philosophy of 12 months on - 12 months on repeat until death.
dago are u in shape or train 'on'cause your strong or have any 'physique'goal in mind.curious..
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dago are u in shape or train 'on'cause your strong or have any 'physique'goal in mind.curious..
I have always leaned more towards strength training. Always been strong even when I first started training at 13. I'm in my 30's now so I am trying to get leaner for health reasons now. Seriously, coming off gear after being on for so long will not be fun. I blast and cruise, but even that is not good long term. I do want to try to get as lean as possible without going crazy on the gear and other drugs. I need to really sit down and write out a plan for this. A lot of good advices here on getbig that I will utilize. Perhaps the galeniko diet is what i need.
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I have always leaned more towards strength training. Always been strong even when I first started training at 13. I'm in my 30's now so I am trying to get leaner for health reasons now. Seriously, coming off gear after being on for so long will not be fun. I blast and cruise, but even that is not good long term. I do want to try to get as lean as possible without going crazy on the gear and other drugs. I need to really sit down and write out a plan for this. A lot of good advices here on getbig that I will utilize. Perhaps the galeniko diet is what i need.
fair enough actually wasn't a dig ,i was just curious and you answered it ,,thanks...
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fair enough actually wasn't a dig ,i was just curious and you answered it ,,thanks...
I didnt take it as a dig at all. No worries. I am new here so I understand the questions. Yeah, I have basically always trained for strength. I was a big fan of Mike Francois back when he won the Arnold. I followed and still do his training program. He was a powerlifter before bbing and his program was a solid 3 day a week powerlifting based bbing program. It has the 3 main lifts on separate days with other lifts added to augment the program from a solely power based program. Works well, but is hard to do all the time. The rest of the time I train with Dorian's routine straight from his book and video. Gearwise I have done a lot. I mainly use test, GH, Masteron, Anadrol, and Dianabol. I add antiE's when needed but otherwise stick to the listed drugs. Tren is not a drug that works well for me at all, too many sides. Thanks for asking, I don't mind telling at all.
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I didnt take it as a dig at all. No worries. I am new here so I understand the questions. Yeah, I have basically always trained for strength. I was a big fan of Mike Francois back when he won the Arnold. I followed and still do his training program. He was a powerlifter before bbing and his program was a solid 3 day a week powerlifting based bbing program. It has the 3 main lifts on separate days with other lifts added to augment the program from a solely power based program. Works well, but is hard to do all the time. The rest of the time I train with Dorian's routine straight from his book and video. Gearwise I have done a lot. I mainly use test, GH, Masteron, Anadrol, and Dianabol. I add antiE's when needed but otherwise stick to the listed drugs. Tren is not a drug that works well for me at all, too many sides. Thanks for asking, I don't mind telling at all.
8)...yeah mike was a powerbber...thick quads/lower back/dense /dense,he went head to head with pretty boy newman 92/93 both were freaks...
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on a serious note
get your tests done after three rest days
i had my work done after going to the physio
they were all over the place
i went back two days later and everything was normal
heavy training, sports massage and diet can all have a dramatic effect
yah but, if we want to be entirely correct,and let me quote conker on this too
Haven't read all thread so not sure if i missed something, but why is the concern about kidneys?
High Urea and creatine levels can both be caused by high protein intake and muscle breakdown from weight training, don't think that alone should be too much concern. I think Gfr(kidney filtration rate) is considered a better marker for kidney function. Last time I had blood test I had high creatine and BUN(urea) but filtration rate was in normal range.
But I think even Gfr can be skewed by training and excessive protein diet, they need to do more in depth tests than blood work to really see how your kidneys are working, as BB lifestyle(even with no drugs) tends to skew kidney blood values.
agreed, the filtration rate or what its called is better indicator.
its not like i had protein in my urine,this is when one knows hes done.
but! an increased creatinine value can already mean a 50% less functional kidney,can, but mustnt.
and
the following im quoting from an institue for sportmedicine, tedhnical university:
individual bun levels vary alot(the normal values,off training), so its important to know the individual normal bun value before anything else.
the to be interpreted increase of values can be expected to be 1-5nmol/l, therefore,its very important to know the base(normla value of the athlete,haha yeah it says athlete)
it says its important to take that value before a meal, to not have falsified results from protein intake through food.
now comes a real interesting point, if the values increase more than 2nmol/l to the "normal" range, youre in a protein catabolism state(ie hard diieting can cause elevated levels too,even moreso a high protein low cals diet, but more than cals, starvation will do this).
now comes very cruical point!if we dont have normal values estimated, values over 7nmol/l are already potentialy of concern and should be monitored.
the socalled haralambi urea-bun value is set at 8.3nmol/l being the critical point.
it states that despite hwatever is the case when we reach 10nmol/l and more , days off training are to be done, we are not superhumans just bc we lift,we are humans with regular internal organs.
so anythime were above 10nmol, we are dancing a tango with the dialysys machine ;D ;D
but ppl with diabetic tendencies and high bp have much more to worry as far kidneys are concrned.
ok it goes on and says if we piss 1liter less than usual, on that day the values will jump as high as 3nmol.just from that.
sure we can say it goes back when we dont train for a couple days, and have little protein in diet, but thats a bit like saying the flu will be gone when the flu is gone.
:D
that all said, i can roughly see, 2days on,1 off training pattern and every 3rd day better has some enough carbs in the diet,n order to give the protein metabolism some relief, this way seems workable.
as far as going on and off, yes, that surely feels more stressing than just staying on ,or off.
the coming off is always the same things, the estrogen imbalance, the metabolism "seems" fucked up(its just getting slower and less efficient).
and coming on again theres initial lethargy,waterbloat, one can feel it,somethings happening.
i think the revelation guy said it very nicely once, a body on gear is like an engine with a supercharger.
but while the engine,we can replace the pistons with forged units,we cant use frged inner organs.
so at very least, keep the "Boost" levels low.
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if one is gonna do that, they should simply stick to any ester of test and thats it.
you mean to one ester..? if so you think sust would not be a good idea since it has 4?
cause i was thinking about switching to that since its pharma grade
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what are the cliff notes
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you mean to one ester..? if so you think sust would not be a good idea since it has 4?
cause i was thinking about switching to that since its pharma grade
nah any ester.doesnt matter
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once u stay on test for a year u better not come off if u come off u are fucked... that's how it works u cant cycle test u have to stay on test for LIFE.
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yes, 250mg of test weekly(and yeah, i feel test is "stronger" than tren mg for mg,i dont care what anyone says,in sheer raw powerfulness,its stronger imo)will put a rock solid 20lbs of pure muscle minimum on everyone who trains and diets properly.
we talking real, pure muscle not the 30lbs 5 week dbol bloof thats pissed out upon cessation.
many dont follow a good diet protoco(they dont even make sure the protein intake)and then think 250weekly is nothing.
lol, "Nothing", 250 weekly is gonna be 5-10times the natural production of a male.
yeah some will argue ester weight blabla, but its 5-10times more than natural levels and theres nothing to argue about that.
this ofc will cause things, like estrogen also being much higher than usual etc.
bottomline, the side effect and wear-free cycle doesnt exist
to those who think things like anavar only will have no sides, rethink that.it will.
if the diet isnt dead on, best to stay away from all this.
and additionaly to that, if one is gonna do that, they should simply stick to any ester of test and thats it.
there are more than 1 reason why test "won" the long race in drug of choice for trt.
it can be summed up very easy.
the non estrogen convertibles will all crash the lipids.this is in the nature of those peds.
the orals will do things to the liver.
the rest is too weak.
simple as that.
I dont know man, my strength started climbing like crazy when I added tren to my HRT doses Test..... and I started to harden way up while dieting, my weight stopped dropping but my BF levels are visibly decreasing. ... in short, tren + HRT is literally transforming my body comp.... I know youre supposed go not be able to add lean tissue while in a caloric deficit, but im stumped.. .
weights not changing a lb, BF is decreasing, strength is increasing... I have no logical explanation for whats going in.
In short, Tren is awesome. Keep in mind though im still fat by getbig/BB standards (15-18%), so im sure whenever I get into the low teens this is probably going to change and I wont be so lucky.
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good old trenbolona miracle stories
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once u stay on test for a year u better not come off if u come off u are fucked... that's how it works u cant cycle test u have to stay on test for LIFE.
goes for all steroids kinda.
it turns ok-ish after 2-3months,but yah,never nice coming off.
shockwave,yeah tren is good, its veryvery strong esp with test.
but i think mg er mg, test causes more growth, well it causes more fat and water too, but its simply the stronger compound overall.
the androgenic properties of tren have been wildly overexagerated.
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is it really true that natural test cant be restored after 6-12 month cycles of test?
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goes for all steroids kinda.
it turns ok-ish after 2-3months,but yah,never nice coming off.
shockwave,yeah tren is good, its veryvery strong esp with test.
but i think mg er mg, test causes more growth, well it causes more fat and water too, but its simply the stronger compound overall.
the androgenic properties of tren have been wildly overexagerated.
Interesting. Maybe because tren causes mode visible changes withoutals much bloat? I dunno, but the combo IMHO is definitely superior to just test at the same overall dosage. ( I.e. 1000mg test vs 400mg test + 600mg tren)
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is it really true that natural test cant be restored after 6-12 month cycles of test?
yes will be restored.not to level off 17year old, but to some low normal level.
after 12month "cycle", going off, after 3months i tested and it was ok, flet ok much sooner.
no pct ,nothing.
the muscle "aids" haha, happened from about 6th week, then very rapidly.
yes shockwave, on could try test 500 for a year, or tren 500 for a yaer, dieted down,the test guy would have more gains, tren just "seems" to give more gains, for lack of bloat,or less bloat.
the combo of the 2 is phenomenal,though.
not sure id run tren all year, reckless ppl will do no questions asked.
the smart thing would be to spare the tren for those last weeks before a competition, other than that i dont see a use for it.
i know one monsterous guy,he just runs a gramm sust and eq till 4 weeks out then switches to tren only.
he told me "like coleman, you know"lol i dont know where he got that from.
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Total Protein 7.2 g/dL 6.0-8.3
Albumin 4.8 g/dL 3.5-5.5
Globulin (Calc.) 2.4 g/dL 2.0-4.0
A/G Ratio (Calc) 2.0
SGOT (AST) 35
SGPT (ALT) 39
Alkaline Phosphatase 80
Bilirubin, Total 0.6
Glucose 96
Uric Acid 4.5
Calcium 9.7
Chloride 102
CO2 26
Sodium 139
Potassium 4.6
Anion GAP (Calc.) 11
Bun 11
Creatinine 1.0
Bun/Creatinine (Calc.) 11
e.GFR (Calc.) 87
Serum Iron 53
Cholesterol 192
HDL Cholesterol 37 L
Chol/HDL Risk Ratio (Calc.) 5.2
LDL (Calc.) 115
VLDL (Calc.) 40
Triglycerides 202 H
WBC 12.6 H
RBC 5.34
HGB 15.4
HCT 46.8
MCV 87.6
MCH 28.9
MCHC 32.9
RDW 13.7
Platelets 311
MPV 11.7 H
Neutrophils % 74
Lymphocytes % 19
Monocytes % 6
Eosinophils 1
Basophils 0
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can you post the units behind the numbers?
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I will try to scan it on Monday. Sucks having to type all of this.
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I will try to scan it on Monday. Sucks having to type all of this.
Why not take a picture?
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I'll sign any Waiver if needed Steve
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Total Protein 7.2 g/dL 6.0-8.3
Albumin 4.8 g/dL 3.5-5.5
Globulin (Calc.) 2.4 g/dL 2.0-4.0
A/G Ratio (Calc) 2.0
SGOT (AST) 35
SGPT (ALT) 39
Alkaline Phosphatase 80
Bilirubin, Total 0.6
Glucose 96
Uric Acid 4.5
Calcium 9.7
Chloride 102
CO2 26
Sodium 139
Potassium 4.6
Anion GAP (Calc.) 11
Bun 11
Creatinine 1.0
Bun/Creatinine (Calc.) 11
e.GFR (Calc.) 87
Serum Iron 53
Cholesterol 192
HDL Cholesterol 37 L
Chol/HDL Risk Ratio (Calc.) 5.2
LDL (Calc.) 115
VLDL (Calc.) 40
Triglycerides 202 H
WBC 12.6 H
RBC 5.34
HGB 15.4
HCT 46.8
MCV 87.6
MCH 28.9
MCHC 32.9
RDW 13.7
Platelets 311
MPV 11.7 H
Neutrophils % 74
Lymphocytes % 19
Monocytes % 6
Eosinophils 1
Basophils 0
Blood work looks great Marine.
Do not worry about low HDL.
DOC
Lift, fuck, make money
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Blood work looks great Marine.
Do not worry about low HDL.
DOC
Lift, fuck, make money
what about mine,doc :-X
was at the doc right now, he said the bun values are little bit high even if we factor in the high protein diet, said "its not dangerously high, but youre a young guy,shouldnt be like that".
said go off a bit, and keep it monitored.
oh well, will do.
i just see arces bun is 11, im not mch "worse" than that.
and he got phenomenal lipids ratio, congrats arce.
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Thanks Doc!
Semper Fidelis
I need to clean up my diet for sure.
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Thanks Doc!
Semper Fidelis
I need to clean up my diet for sure.
Yes I eat a salad last year and watched some NBA it has made a great difference.
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Did she check you for an overactive imagination?
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WBC was high because I had some kind of infection
that is what the docs said
that and cut back on junk food
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Still no pics of the nurse?
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I did not take pics
I have three pages of print out though
No way to scan since my scanner went down
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I did not take pics
I have three pages of print out though
No way to scan since my scanner went down
Call ND he has scanners running 24x7 maybe can help.
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I have to get a new one
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my back has been hurting for 30 days so I went to the doctor (urgent care) full physical blood, urine, ekg, etc
I might have kidney stones too
fucking sucks getting old
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my back has been hurting for 30 days so I went to the doctor (urgent care) full physical blood, urine, ekg, etc
I might have kidney stones too
fucking sucks getting old
Sucks dude. If you can make sure to get an MRI. Those are usually easy to spot.
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my back has been hurting for 30 days so I went to the doctor (urgent care) full physical blood, urine, ekg, etc
I might have kidney stones too
fucking sucks getting old
at least u have a full head of hair and hollywood good looks
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at least u have a full head of hair and hollywood good looks
yes my friend
arce is the Antonio banderas of get big
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yes my friend
arce is the Antonio banderas of get big
i bet he had literally over 100 different girls that was not prostitute
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i bet he had literally over 100 different girls that was not prostitute
wait i had over 100....oh shit you said that was not prostituta. :-[
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wait i had over 100....oh shit you said that was not prostituta. :-[
right that's the catch
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I did have a LOT of females in my life.
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I did have a LOT of females in my life.
;D :)
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I did have a LOT of females in my life.
if im ever over your way
we will have a beer and discuss your pussy slaying years
:)
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What is this. Softcore porn?