on a serious note
get your tests done after three rest days
i had my work done after going to the physio
they were all over the place
i went back two days later and everything was normal
heavy training, sports massage and diet can all have a dramatic effect
yah but, if we want to be entirely correct,and let me quote conker on this too
Haven't read all thread so not sure if i missed something, but why is the concern about kidneys?
High Urea and creatine levels can both be caused by high protein intake and muscle breakdown from weight training, don't think that alone should be too much concern. I think Gfr(kidney filtration rate) is considered a better marker for kidney function. Last time I had blood test I had high creatine and BUN(urea) but filtration rate was in normal range.
But I think even Gfr can be skewed by training and excessive protein diet, they need to do more in depth tests than blood work to really see how your kidneys are working, as BB lifestyle(even with no drugs) tends to skew kidney blood values.
agreed, the filtration rate or what its called is better indicator.
its not like i had protein in my urine,this is when one knows hes done.
but! an increased creatinine value can already mean a 50% less functional kidney,can, but mustnt.
and
the following im quoting from an institue for sportmedicine, tedhnical university:
individual bun levels vary alot(the normal values,off training), so its important to know the individual normal bun value before anything else.
the to be interpreted increase of values can be expected to be 1-5nmol/l, therefore,its very important to know the base(normla value of the athlete,haha yeah it says athlete)
it says its important to take that value before a meal, to not have falsified results from protein intake through food.
now comes a real interesting point, if the values increase more than 2nmol/l to the "normal" range, youre in a protein catabolism state(ie hard diieting can cause elevated levels too,even moreso a high protein low cals diet, but more than cals, starvation will do this).
now comes very cruical point!if we dont have normal values estimated, values over 7nmol/l are already potentialy of concern and should be monitored.
the socalled haralambi urea-bun value is set at 8.3nmol/l being the critical point.
it states that despite hwatever is the case when we reach 10nmol/l and more , days off training are to be done, we are not superhumans just bc we lift,we are humans with regular internal organs.
so anythime were above 10nmol, we are dancing a tango with the dialysys machine
but ppl with diabetic tendencies and high bp have much more to worry as far kidneys are concrned.
ok it goes on and says if we piss 1liter less than usual, on that day the values will jump as high as 3nmol.just from that.
sure we can say it goes back when we dont train for a couple days, and have little protein in diet, but thats a bit like saying the flu will be gone when the flu is gone.
that all said, i can roughly see, 2days on,1 off training pattern and every 3rd day better has some enough carbs in the diet,n order to give the protein metabolism some relief, this way seems workable.
as far as going on and off, yes, that surely feels more stressing than just staying on ,or off.
the coming off is always the same things, the estrogen imbalance, the metabolism "seems" fucked up(its just getting slower and less efficient).
and coming on again theres initial lethargy,waterbloat, one can feel it,somethings happening.
i think the revelation guy said it very nicely once, a body on gear is like an engine with a supercharger.
but while the engine,we can replace the pistons with forged units,we cant use frged inner organs.
so at very least, keep the "Boost" levels low.
