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...Trend of dying juicers?
Myself: not really, since I'm a low dose guy anyways. But I'm thinking about drawing the line in the sand come age 35 or something, will be TRT ONLY.
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Everyone I've seen has died from shit that lends itself to narcotic and diuretic use
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i'm actually upping the dose considerably
just the kind of a reckless mother fucker i am, life sucks anyway ;D
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i'm actually upping the dose considerably
just the kind of a reckless mother fucker i am, life sucks anyway ;D
This.
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i'm actually upping the dose considerably
just the kind of a reckless mother fucker i am, life sucks anyway ;D
haha yes
i would but
in case it doesnt kill me going thru life as a bald slap head is just horrid
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...Trend of dying juicers?
Myself: not really, since I'm a low dose guy anyways. But I'm thinking about drawing the line in the sand come age 35 or something, will be TRT ONLY.
Would you do enhanced TRT of 200-250mg per week?
Or would you do real trt, doing 80-100mg per week--or whatever it takes to get your blood levels at 800-1000?
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To answer your question though, I've always thought I would be on 250mg/week for the rest of my life (I'm 25) but lately I've been thinking I might wanna come off for good.
More and more I've been thinking health is the only smart thing to focus on....cardio health/stamina, strength, and especially flexibility/mobility. I've been doing waaay more cardio and stretching and I feel incredible. And it's not like juice is important for that
I've been on since like 18 months or so, might come off for good after next summer.
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Fuck that...56 and never felt better....quit drinking. Ken
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...Trend of dying juicers?
Myself: not really, since I'm a low dose guy anyways. But I'm thinking about drawing the line in the sand come age 35 or something, will be TRT ONLY.
the average "12 weekender 500t/400d+ dbal" in not concerned.
the 3/4gr cruise juicer are.
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Would you do enhanced TRT of 200-250mg per week?
Or would you do real trt, doing 80-100mg per week--or whatever it takes to get your blood levels at 800-1000?
Good clarification question.
Whatever it takes to keep me @ 1000.
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the average "12 weekender 500t/400d+ dbal" in not concerned.
the 3/4gr cruise juicer are.
I HOPE this is true...but how can we know for sure?
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One thing is for sure.. Steroids are not good for the cardiovascular system in high doses and even trt doses are under debate..I use to sauce very hard for 8 months for a year at a time and would bridge between cycles with genotropin..the last two cycles I've done were a year apart and did not exceed 600mg of total hormones a week and feel much healthier...I'm 24 years old and don't want to have to use trt for the rest of my life so I'm debating on not cycling ever again.. I fear more the of the permanent damage to the hpta then to the heart..after those monster cycles I did a full cardiac work up (stress test, echo, EKG and blood work) everything was normal.. I will get another full cardiac work up done every 2 years because My insurance covers it..
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I go back and forth.
something 'traumatic' will happen, like breaking up with a gf (one I'd care about.. not just one of the girls I fuck), and i'll say "fuck it.. i'm getting bigger and better than ever" and i'll hit kamikaze doses and bury myself in work and training. I think the estrogen and androgens really fuck with my head/emotions when it comes to relationships.... so that's what tends to drive me to use the crazy doses I do, never missing a shot, ect.... the relationship stuff gets me to a point where I don't really care about the consequences. I don't care about a heart attack. I don't care about high blood pressure. I don't care about liver values, so long as I don't lose my appetite. I don't care about kidneys. all I care about is getting bigger and freakier and standing out in Walmart or Albertsons.. or people staring at my shoulders at the mall when I wear a tank top.
did the same thing when I got cut from the baseball team in my junior year of high school. i'd already done 1 cycle.. found out I didn't get cut because of performance, I got cut because the coach thought I was using steroids (it'd been a joke that I was 'on steroids' since I was 15yrs old), and was afraid i'd get others to use as well. he was old school, purist bb coach. the pussy. remember walking back to my car thinking "fuck that motherfuc ker.... i'm gonna use 400mg per week PLUS dbol now... and show him what he's missing with i'm laying motherfuckers out on the football field"... and so I did. going through 3 bottles of Schien Test cyp and a bottle of reforvit-b. lol.
at least when I get the "fuck them... i'll show'em" attitude, I use steroids, and not pick up a bottle of booze or snort drugs or pop pills.
I seriously doubt i'll stop for another 8 years. after that, i'll run 4iu/day of gh and 250mg test per week... and probably 200mg deca per week.
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haha yes
i would but
in case it doesnt kill me going thru life as a bald slap head is just horrid
Halo, you need to stop worrying about the hair, my friend. The stress from the worrying will impede your quest for the 18" arms and the girls. Look to Ronald in your times of need. He was bald and proud. 18" arms cancel out baldness. And if you go bald, you might as well really up the dose and go for 20"+ arms. So going bald may actually be a blessing in disguise. Or maybe I am just trying to make myself feel better for my "receding" hairline :'(
As far as quitting juice, not any time soon. I'm in my 30's and I feel like I have a lot more improvements to make before I stop. I know it is possible to look good without gear, but it is very hard to look great, especially at my age. TRT doses are a lot lower than most guys think. 250mg of test a week will probably put you well over 1000. Most docs will do 200mg every 2-3 weeks or 50-100mg per week. Seriously, nothing close to what you will get on a "real" cycle. The docs need to abide to insurance rules and if you are over "normal" ranges, they will cut you way back, even if it drops you into just barely not being deficient.
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Upped the dose. If I die young anyway I might as well get as big as possible before the day comes.
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I go back and forth.
something 'traumatic' will happen, like breaking up with a gf (one I'd care about.. not just one of the girls I fuck), and i'll say "fuck it.. i'm getting bigger and better than ever" and i'll hit kamikaze doses and bury myself in work and training. I think the estrogen and androgens really fuck with my head/emotions when it comes to relationships.... so that's what tends to drive me to use the crazy doses I do, never missing a shot, ect.... the relationship stuff gets me to a point where I don't really care about the consequences. I don't care about a heart attack. I don't care about high blood pressure. I don't care about liver values, so long as I don't lose my appetite. I don't care about kidneys. all I care about is getting bigger and freakier and standing out in Walmart or Albertsons.. or people staring at my shoulders at the mall when I wear a tank top.
did the same thing when I got cut from the baseball team in my junior year of high school. i'd already done 1 cycle.. found out I didn't get cut because of performance, I got cut because the coach thought I was using steroids (it'd been a joke that I was 'on steroids' since I was 15yrs old), and was afraid i'd get others to use as well. he was old school, purist bb coach. the pussy. remember walking back to my car thinking "fuck that motherfuc ker.... i'm gonna use 400mg per week PLUS dbol now... and show him what he's missing with i'm laying motherfuckers out on the football field"... and so I did. going through 3 bottles of Schien Test cyp and a bottle of reforvit-b. lol.
at least when I get the "fuck them... i'll show'em" attitude, I use steroids, and not pick up a bottle of booze or snort drugs or pop pills.
I seriously doubt i'll stop for another 8 years. after that, i'll run 4iu/day of gh and 250mg test per week... and probably 200mg deca per week.
My last big cycle was after me and my ex girlfriend broke up.. I just said fuck it and loaded up my syringe.. Now I have a much different attitude about it but to each his own
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nah im coming off.
cold turekey
see how it looks in march for the summer shape and then decide
but maybe off for good and long.
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nah im coming off.
cold turekey
see how it looks in march for the summer shape and then decide
but maybe off for good and long.
No shit?!
Even after that good check up you just had??
Whats making you consider this Gal?
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No shit?!
Even after that good check up you just had??
Whats making you consider this Gal?
well i find its not soooo good,thats why.
and believe or not, the whole body is not exactly "responding" as usual, somethings off.
and there are joint pains everywhere, some of them are with me every second of the day.
i can feel how it heals with every day off the gym.
basicaly this was 3 yeears+ non stop competition dieting.
yah not just the bloodwork, but things dont go as usual either.
having to "dumb" down the training to half the weight i could easily use bc of the joint issues is mentaly exhausting.
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well i find its not soooo good,thats why.
and believe or not, the whole body is not exactly "responding" as usual, somethings off.
and there are joint pains everywhere, some of them are with me every second of the day.
i can feel how it heals with every day off the gym.
basicaly this was 3 yeears+ non stop competition dieting.
yah not just the bloodwork, but things dont go as usual either.
having to "dumb" down the training to half the weight i could easily use bc of the joint issues is mentaly exhausting.
True, you did run your body at full throttle, especially last few months.
Get healthy bro, that's your priority! Shoot me a PM some time, keep me posted on your status brother
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Lol I have been thinking myself if it is all worth it to a lot lately. It seems like it gets in the way of life a lot. I mean if you end up ever getting a new girlfriend you have to dread going through PCT with a new girlfriend. How do you explain loosing 10 pounds and acting different from the reaction to the PCT drugs and lack of testosterone.
It seems like to me it is all not worth it. But once you get started it is hard to stop. Especially if you have fucked up your natural test levels. Than you go through life with low testosterone or on TRT. Last time I got my levels checked after being off for a year and a half my test levels were 413ng/dl. So I feel like after I finish the cycle I am on now they are going to drop under 400 and I will be stuck with TRT or low test.
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i feel like i never want to go off again unless it proves necessary to affect hairloss
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I am reconsidering even starting... :'(
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Lol I have been thinking myself if it is all worth it to a lot lately. It seems like it gets in the way of life a lot. I mean if you end up ever getting a new girlfriend you have to dread going through PCT with a new girlfriend. How do you explain loosing 10 pounds and acting different from the reaction to the PCT drugs and lack of testosterone.
It seems like to me it is all not worth it. But once you get started it is hard to stop. Especially if you have fucked up your natural test levels. Than you go through life with low testosterone or on TRT. Last time I got my levels checked after being off for a year and a half my test levels were 413ng/dl. So I feel like after I finish the cycle I am on now they are going to drop under 400 and I will be stuck with TRT or low test.
I think your natural test levels will come up but it will take a few years and probably a few agressive PCTs
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nah im coming off.
cold turekey
see how it looks in march for the summer shape and then decide
but maybe off for good and long.
Smart man.. It's a hard decision to make but I'm doing the same
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I HOPE this is true...but how can we know for sure?
Lee haney, zane, Paris, and ton's of pro from the 80/90's are still alive, even abuser of alcohol and rec drug like levrone or cormier.
guy who passed away like kovac, nasser are guy who don't know when to stop.
Boston loyd, Derreck anthony, rich piana and the new generation are doing everything wrong.
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I go back and forth.
something 'traumatic' will happen, like breaking up with a gf (one I'd care about.. not just one of the girls I fuck), and i'll say "fuck it.. i'm getting bigger and better than ever" and i'll hit kamikaze doses and bury myself in work and training. I think the estrogen and androgens really fuck with my head/emotions when it comes to relationships.... so that's what tends to drive me to use the crazy doses I do, never missing a shot, ect.... the relationship stuff gets me to a point where I don't really care about the consequences. I don't care about a heart attack. I don't care about high blood pressure. I don't care about liver values, so long as I don't lose my appetite. I don't care about kidneys. all I care about is getting bigger and freakier and standing out in Walmart or Albertsons.. or people staring at my shoulders at the mall when I wear a tank top.
did the same thing when I got cut from the baseball team in my junior year of high school. i'd already done 1 cycle.. found out I didn't get cut because of performance, I got cut because the coach thought I was using steroids (it'd been a joke that I was 'on steroids' since I was 15yrs old), and was afraid i'd get others to use as well. he was old school, purist bb coach. the pussy. remember walking back to my car thinking "fuck that motherfuc ker.... i'm gonna use 400mg per week PLUS dbol now... and show him what he's missing with i'm laying motherfuckers out on the football field"... and so I did. going through 3 bottles of Schien Test cyp and a bottle of reforvit-b. lol.
at least when I get the "fuck them... i'll show'em" attitude, I use steroids, and not pick up a bottle of booze or snort drugs or pop pills.
I seriously doubt i'll stop for another 8 years. after that, i'll run 4iu/day of gh and 250mg test per week... and probably 200mg deca per week.
I like this post!
But using gear as a coping mechanism has to be hard cause I've found this shit can intensify my emotions. At least with alcohol and the right drugs I would be numb enough to forget even where I lived. Not having drugs to fall back on and have gear "enhancing" my emotions was a trip...they say substance abusers have the emotional age of when we started to use so I was about 12 when I stopped, and you're probably like 135.
Regardless, I hope you can grow out of this pattern for the sake of your kids.
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...Trend of dying juicers?
Myself: not really, since I'm a low dose guy anyways. But I'm thinking about drawing the line in the sand come age 35 or something, will be TRT ONLY.
Lets keep in mind vic richards. He has gotten better with the years. There is no way he would have decreased the dosages all. Masters O, he showed up in good shape.
nah im coming off.
cold turekey
see how it looks in march for the summer shape and then decide
but maybe off for good and long.
I hope you go off for atleast 4-5months, gal. Keep us posted brother.
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The real question all of us here should be asking here is, " why do we do this?"
Dig deep down inside and come up with an honest answer.
I want to become the best bodybuilder in the world by winning the O. And for this, there is no way around the supplements.
Whats yours?
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ive been struggling with the op's question for a while now.... ive been off for well over a year and have recently just started again
to answer the question above, the only reason all of us do this is to look good/big and all the other benefits that come with it, such as enjoying training 100% more with much less aches , positive attention, boosted ego/self esteem
the ' i only do this to compete' excuse was used for me for a few years, its total bullshit too... its exactly the same kind of lie id tell my self when i was 'bulking' and vastly over eating, instead of eating sensibly and staying 20lbs within contest weight
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the ' i only do this to compete' excuse was used for me for a few years, its total bullshit too... its ey the same kind of lie id tell my self when i was 'bulking' and vastly over eating, instead of eating sensibly and staying 20lbs within contest weight
I had made the same mistake. Concentrating on quality gains now.
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I like this post!
But using gear as a coping mechanism has to be hard cause I've found this shit can intensify my emotions. At least with alcohol and the right drugs I would be numb enough to forget even where I lived. Not having drugs to fall back on and have gear "enhancing" my emotions was a trip...they say substance abusers have the emotional age of when we started to use so I was about 12 when I stopped, and you're probably like 135.
Regardless, I hope you can grow out of this pattern for the sake of your kids.
i'm human. I have flaws. 98% of the time I really don't give a fuck about the girls. I see them stare, I hear the comments.. like i'm a piece of meat. and I really don't care, it doesn't matter to me. doesn't make me feel "good" or anything, it's not why I'm a bodybuilder.
but when I find a girl who fits all the criteria I want, physically, and she's a 'good girl', who's never been a 'slut' or behaved like most the girls I 'date' (girls that just wanna fuck me because of how I look), and everything's going great... then all of a sudden the rug gets pulled out from under me..... it kinda fucks me up. emotionally. i'm not a robot u know. lol...
and the drugs play a big part i'm sure... when i'm in a relationship, and things all of a sudden fall apart, I'm distracted. I miss shots, my testosterone/androgens plummet, I miss taking orals. I miss taking anti-estrogens, ect, and my training is effected, I lose my appitite, I can't sleep... all that adds up and kinda snowballs.
then I think "fuck it", and try to talk myself out of it.. try to rationalize that back home (san diego), girls like her are a dime-a-dozen, and the only reason I was hung up on her or settled for her, is because girls like her are hard to find in this area (i'm still in CA, but a lot of rich white people and 'poor' mexicans)...
so I 'flip the switch' like a robot, and get refocused and go balls-out and try to put her out of my mind... and I bury myself in training (and work.. sortta the same) and I get 'in shape' (not like I was ever not in shape).... and I sleep with girls who look at me and say "wow, I hit the jackpot with you", in the back of my mind I know FULL WELL i'm gonna end up hurting their feelings. (funny how the shoe's on the other foot right now. lol... fucking karma I guess)..... because I think that's what's gonna make me feel better, because that's what all my friends would say I should do. "dude, if I looked like you, i'd be banging 4 girls a week... i'd have fucking aids!.. you're like an action figure"....
but in the end, it's all a bunch of bullshit. it all sucks. it's all lonely.
in all honesty, that's 95% of what's behind the doses I use. (and about 80% of why i'm in the business i'm in, if you know what I mean..... I think "i'm gonna make her jealous, i'm gonna make them envy me.. i'm gonna big big and freaky and make a TON of money", ect...
give me some stability in my life, and i'll be cool with running a gram of test and a little deca each week, and i'll be cool making $40k a year or something. but without that stability, I push the envelope.
/thread hijack.... I gotta shoot 2g of test, take 2.5mg adex, and a mg of prami now, before I forget. lol
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i'm human. I have flaws. 98% of the time I really don't give a fuck about the girls. I see them stare, I hear the comments.. like i'm a piece of meat. and I really don't care, it doesn't matter to me. doesn't make me feel "good" or anything, it's not why I'm a bodybuilder.
but when I find a girl who fits all the criteria I want, physically, and she's a 'good girl', who's never been a 'slut' or behaved like most the girls I 'date' (girls that just wanna fuck me because of how I look), and everything's going great... then all of a sudden the rug gets pulled out from under me..... it kinda fucks me up. emotionally. i'm not a robot u know. lol...
and the drugs play a big part i'm sure... when i'm in a relationship, and things all of a sudden fall apart, I'm distracted. I miss shots, my testosterone/androgens plummet, I miss taking orals. I miss taking anti-estrogens, ect, and my training is effected, I lose my appitite, I can't sleep... all that adds up and kinda snowballs.
then I think "fuck it", and try to talk myself out of it.. try to rationalize that back home (san diego), girls like her are a dime-a-dozen, and the only reason I was hung up on her or settled for her, is because girls like her are hard to find in this area (i'm still in CA, but a lot of rich white people and 'poor' mexicans)...
so I 'flip the switch' like a robot, and get refocused and go balls-out and try to put her out of my mind... and I bury myself in training (and work.. sortta the same) and I get 'in shape' (not like I was ever not in shape).... and I sleep with girls who look at me and say "wow, I hit the jackpot with you", in the back of my mind I know FULL WELL i'm gonna end up hurting their feelings. (funny how the shoe's on the other foot right now. lol... fucking karma I guess)..... because I think that's what's gonna make me feel better, because that's what all my friends would say I should do. "dude, if I looked like you, i'd be banging 4 girls a week... i'd have fucking aids!.. you're like an action figure"....
but in the end, it's all a bunch of bullshit. it all sucks. it's all lonely.
in all honesty, that's 95% of what's behind the doses I use. (and about 80% of why i'm in the business i'm in, if you know what I mean..... I think "i'm gonna make her jealous, i'm gonna make them envy me.. i'm gonna big big and freaky and make a TON of money", ect...
give me some stability in my life, and i'll be cool with running a gram of test and a little deca each week, and i'll be cool making $40k a year or something. but without that stability, I push the envelope.
/thread hijack.... I gotta shoot 2g of test, take 2.5mg adex, and a mg of prami now, before I forget. lol
Very honest post here bro.
I'm honestly surprised at a lot of the replies, guys deciding to lower the doss because of newly gained perspectives. Pretty cool to see actually.
PS I start my new cycle tomorrow :D Under a gram of course
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dont worry the test levels will come back within 2-3months.
thats not even the issue, can just pop a viagra gel and all is good.
the mental part and the training sucking is harder.
yah cople months it will be
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i'm human. I have flaws. 98% of the time I really don't give a fuck about the girls. I see them stare, I hear the comments.. like i'm a piece of meat. and I really don't care, it doesn't matter to me. doesn't make me feel "good" or anything, it's not why I'm a bodybuilder.
but when I find a girl who fits all the criteria I want, physically, and she's a 'good girl', who's never been a 'slut' or behaved like most the girls I 'date' (girls that just wanna fuck me because of how I look), and everything's going great... then all of a sudden the rug gets pulled out from under me..... it kinda fucks me up. emotionally. i'm not a robot u know. lol...
and the drugs play a big part i'm sure... when i'm in a relationship, and things all of a sudden fall apart, I'm distracted. I miss shots, my testosterone/androgens plummet, I miss taking orals. I miss taking anti-estrogens, ect, and my training is effected, I lose my appitite, I can't sleep... all that adds up and kinda snowballs.
then I think "fuck it", and try to talk myself out of it.. try to rationalize that back home (san diego), girls like her are a dime-a-dozen, and the only reason I was hung up on her or settled for her, is because girls like her are hard to find in this area (i'm still in CA, but a lot of rich white people and 'poor' mexicans)...
so I 'flip the switch' like a robot, and get refocused and go balls-out and try to put her out of my mind... and I bury myself in training (and work.. sortta the same) and I get 'in shape' (not like I was ever not in shape).... and I sleep with girls who look at me and say "wow, I hit the jackpot with you", in the back of my mind I know FULL WELL i'm gonna end up hurting their feelings. (funny how the shoe's on the other foot right now. lol... fucking karma I guess)..... because I think that's what's gonna make me feel better, because that's what all my friends would say I should do. "dude, if I looked like you, i'd be banging 4 girls a week... i'd have fucking aids!.. you're like an action figure"....
but in the end, it's all a bunch of bullshit. it all sucks. it's all lonely.
in all honesty, that's 95% of what's behind the doses I use. (and about 80% of why i'm in the business i'm in, if you know what I mean..... I think "i'm gonna make her jealous, i'm gonna make them envy me.. i'm gonna big big and freaky and make a TON of money", ect...
give me some stability in my life, and i'll be cool with running a gram of test and a little deca each week, and i'll be cool making $40k a year or something. but without that stability, I push the envelope.
/thread hijack.... I gotta shoot 2g of test, take 2.5mg adex, and a mg of prami now, before I forget. lol
So you ever get check ups?
Or do you just expect everything to be off the charts anyway and say fuck it?
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dont worry the test levels will come back within 2-3months.
thats not even the issue, can just pop a viagra gel and all is good.
the mental part and the training sucking is harder.
yah cople months it will be
The test levels will come back in 2 to 3 months but it will take much longer for natural test to be as high as it was before you took steroids if it ever goes back that high
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Im planning on doing clomid at 100/100/50/50 than nolvadex for 40/40/25/25/25/25 and I have been running 500 iu's of hcg a week through out my cycle. Hope fully I can get my testosterone levels around like 500 I would be pretty happy with that. If they don't go above 400 within 6 months I might consider TRT. I just do not want to be 24 years old with low testosterone levels.
Honestly I have had low testosterone levels before for a few months because I had no connections when I was 22 and got ripped off on my PCT so I had to fucking use triubulus and natural products. And it effected my job and my mental mind state way to much. It really holds a person back in life. I felt timid and not like myself. So if I have to go on TRT or deal with testosterone levels below 400ng/dl I would choose TRT. Life is to long to live it with low testosterone levels. I did it to myself I regret it but I accept it and always knew it was a consequence. Lol I might want to keep some Viagra or Cialis on hand though in case I meet a hot girl and have sub par testosterone levels that is a good point!
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Very honest post here bro.
I'm honestly surprised at a lot of the replies, guys deciding to lower the doss because of newly gained perspectives. Pretty cool to see actually.
PS I start my new cycle tomorrow :D Under a gram of course
going through some shit right now, obviously.
kinda a bitter pill to swallow. it's not the first time, but it is rare. at least it made me realize how much my ex loved me for many years, and I've started to 'mend' the relationship after 3 or 4 yrs. 13yrs ago today was the anniversary... kinda ironic.
soooo..... it's back to business for me I guess. i'll cruise on 2g test for a few weeks until hitting 4g test and 2g deca for a few months, with a couple hundred mgs dbol/day.. plus I found a whole bunch of igf1 in my fridge. lol... so i'll probably run 200mcg/day for a while.
at least my 'fuck it' attitude these days doesn't include drinking vodka like water or putting a syringe full of nubain in my arm.
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So you ever get check ups?
Or do you just expect everything to be off the charts anyway and say fuck it?
sometimes.
my ast/alt is usually high... but nowhere near what it was when I was drinking (like 1/4 what it was when I was drinking).. and my bilirubin is sometimes high, even though I never have yellow skin/eyes or anything.
blood pressure is the upper end of normal without meds... when I was heavier/fatter and doing more powerlifting (and eating 3-4 jars of peanut butter per week and taking in 5k kcal/day) it was high, but went on captopril and then lisinopril and was normal.. now, no meds and it's ok.
kidney markers are ok usually.. unless I did an injection the day of or day before, then my ck levels are high (normal for anybody after an injection).
my rbc and hemo stuff is usually normal as well... no matter if I was on a couple hundred mg's or drol/day or using eq.
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The test levels will come back in 2 to 3 months but it will take much longer for natural test to be as high as it was before you took steroids if it ever goes back that high
ah, that.
i even believe the test levels never ever get back to where they been before, even after years.
mine have been the same after 2 months off and then 3-4years later of all no gear time, same results.that was btw coming off cold from abuse doses, not "use".i retrospect to thaat i can definitely say everything in the crash is much less pronounced if the doses werent so high,after coming off high doses,there were indeed some potence issues for a couple weeks.
yah, they never recover fully.
but imo, what counts,is how you feel, theres only very few days where i feel bad in first 2 months off, and very rare that impotence problems occur(again this isnt even an issue in the days of viagra).
mad scientist, dont worry,lol, if all esle fails, one can always do self hrt, but stick to honest hrt doses,100mg weekly, thatll do and it doesnt get any safer.
the pct is kinda doomed to fail without permanent doctor supervision.
yo,esf, what are your parameters for creatinine and BUN?
haha, love your honesty."BP on upper end wo meds" ;D
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ah, that.
i even believe the test levels never ever get back to where they been before, even after years.
mine have been the same after 2 months off and then 3-4years later of all no gear time, same results.that was btw coming off cold from abuse doses, not "use".i retrospect to thaat i can definitely say everything in the crash is much less pronounced if the doses werent so high,after coming off high doses,there were indeed some potence issues for a couple weeks.
yah, they never recover fully.
but imo, what counts,is how you feel, theres only very few days where i feel bad in first 2 months off, and very rare that impotence problems occur(again this isnt even an issue in the days of viagra).
mad scientist, dont worry,lol, if all esle fails, one can always do self hrt, but stick to honest hrt doses,100mg weekly, thatll do and it doesnt get any safer.
the pct is kinda doomed to fail without permanent doctor supervision.
yo,esf, what are your parameters for creatinine and BUN?
haha, love your honesty."BP on upper end wo meds" ;D
I believe my creatinine has only been close to 'high' once, and that was during the time I was inadvertently running hundreds of mcg's of t3 for months (my ck levels were in the thousands as well.. if I recall '120' was considered high), but my BUN has never been high.
as long as my diastolic (bottom number) is below 89, preferably 81/83 i'm happy.. the upper number is about 130/128... and my resting heartrate is in the mid-80's usually... unless I'd had pre-workout that day, then it'll be 95-102 or so all day long.
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and I don't believe your testosterone levels will EVER go back to 'normal', much less 'high-normal' after using steroids.
shit... well over a year of being 'off' everything except the androderm patch, my test levels were still below 120. that was many years ago... then went to cyp injection hrt at 200mg every 2 weeks and my levels were 1400 2 days after the shot, down to 750/800ish 13-14 days post injection (day or or day before my next shot).
at the very, very least, I think any man who decided he wants to use steroids, needs to realize that he'll be using testosterone for the rest of his life... and he'll NEED it SOONER than normal.
normal man, no steroid use ever may 'need' hrt at 33yrs old, maybe 35.
steroid using man may 'need' hrt at 27 or 29.
it's my believe that all men should begin hrt at 100mg/wk at age 30, whether they were steroid users or not. those are the beginning of the prime-time for earning income, higher testosterone = higher income. ;D
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The real question all of us here should be asking here is, " why do we do this?"
Dig deep down inside and come up with an honest answer.
I want to become the best bodybuilder in the world by winning the O. And for this, there is no way around the supplements.
Whats yours?
Anyone's time on this planet is limited. I did not want to waste my time feeling like shit because of low testosterone. My wife, who has a chronic illness, was more active and had a higher libido than me. So even though my bloodwork looked great (apart of course from borderline low test) I would not have described myself as healthy. So I'm on self-prescribed HRT now (250 mg/wk), and will keep doing that until something forces me to stop.
Then again, I was considering adding a bit of tren. Recent deaths have made me reconsider this.
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I got scared all the guys were dying so got my bloods done last week, results were great so im gonna take more gear than ever next cycle hahahahahahahahhahahahah ahahahaha yes
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i'm actually upping the dose considerably
just the kind of a reckless mother fucker i am, life sucks anyway ;D
^^^ this
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Anyone's time on this planet is limited. I did not want to waste my time feeling like shit because of low testosterone. My wife, who has a chronic illness, was more active and had a higher libido than me. So even though my bloodwork looked great (apart of course from borderline low test) I would not have described myself as healthy. So I'm on self-prescribed HRT now (250 mg/wk), and will keep doing that until something forces me to stop.
Then again, I was considering adding a bit of tren. Recent deaths have made me reconsider this.
I'd always considered going this route regardless of gear use. How's it working out for ya phreak?
btw esfitness get your girl back and stay healthy. lol at cruising on 2g but much worse things we could be doing that's for sure.
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I believe my creatinine has only been close to 'high' once, and that was during the time I was inadvertently running hundreds of mcg's of t3 for months (my ck levels were in the thousands as well.. if I recall '120' was considered high), but my BUN has never been high.
as long as my diastolic (bottom number) is below 89, preferably 81/83 i'm happy.. the upper number is about 130/128... and my resting heartrate is in the mid-80's usually... unless I'd had pre-workout that day, then it'll be 95-102 or so all day long.
those numbers arent even bad, well, cept the resting rate, lol.
yeah creatinine, 120+ will be little bit high.good on you that the bun in ok.
btw i tested bp today after 3 days of non stop bad foods, and it was remarkably raised compared to 4 days ago.
and totaly agreed on the test levels, they wil l never ever come back to normal, they will soon come back to a low normal level and stay there until inevitable age induced decline.
somewhere at age 35 every male should ask themselves the question.hrt or give in.
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I never go above a gram (I don't like pinning lots of oils) and I don't run orals for too long so it doesn't concern me. I've had lots of blood work, I've learned from my fuck ups and I don't believe I'm placing myself in harm's way. There are a lot more dangerous things I could be doing than injecting a couple mls of steroids two or three times a week.
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I never go above a gram (I don't like pinning lots of oils) and I don't run orals for too long so it doesn't concern me. I've had lots of blood work, I've learned from my fuck ups and I don't believe I'm placing myself in harm's way. There are a lot more dangerous things I could be doing than injecting a couple mls of steroids two or three times a week.
This is my thinking as well hombre.
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At 56 running my 500wk Test/800wk EQ or primo with 4iu Seros keeps the muscles growing, the BF down and the over half a century penis working real nice. Elevated BP I am handling with Carditone. Other than that bloodwork is clean. Run adex at .5mg eod and that hasn't hurt the lipid profile. I figure I got 10 years before an old erect penis is just gross anyway. Going for the ride. Ken
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those numbers arent even bad, well, cept the resting rate, lol.
yeah creatinine, 120+ will be little bit high.good on you that the bun in ok.
btw i tested bp today after 3 days of non stop bad foods, and it was remarkably raised compared to 4 days ago.
and totaly agreed on the test levels, they wil l never ever come back to normal, they will soon come back to a low normal level and stay there until inevitable age induced decline.
somewhere at age 35 every male should ask themselves the question.hrt or give in.
well, running hundreds of mcgs of t3/day plus still doing injections put my CK levels in the 1400-2200 range. first test was 1400 or so, and the 2nd a couple days later was over 2100.
yes... thousands. lol.
any injection of anything will cause your CK to be very high the day after.. even one injection.. and I was probably doing 2-4 injections a few times a week, so that alone will put my CK levels wayyyy high, temporarily... but with the T3, my body was eating away at the muscle, hence the CK in the thousands.
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At 56 running my 500wk Test/800wk EQ or primo with 4iu Seros keeps the muscles growing, the BF down and the over half a century penis working real nice. Elevated BP I am handling with Carditone. Other than that bloodwork is clean. Run adex at .5mg eod and that hasn't hurt the lipid profile. I figure I got 10 years before an old erect penis is just gross anyway. Going for the ride. Ken
Dying those gray pubes will significantly extend the non-grossness of said half-century old plus erect penis.
...No homo
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At 56 running my 500wk Test/800wk EQ or primo with 4iu Seros keeps the muscles growing, the BF down and the over half a century penis working real nice. Elevated BP I am handling with Carditone. Other than that bloodwork is clean. Run adex at .5mg eod and that hasn't hurt the lipid profile. I figure I got 10 years before an old erect penis is just gross anyway. Going for the ride. Ken
This is more along the lines of a cycle i could see myself running long term. I would just make it an even 500mg Test/ 500mg "whatever" and 4IU GH. The whatever would probably be MAsteron bc i fucking love it, but i would also substitute in EQ. Add 50mg Dianabol or 100mg Anadrol and that seems to be my sweet spot for cycles. Tren is just not a drug my body can tolerate. Used it a lot years ago and now that I'm older i just cannot tolerate the sides. I also was using a lot of pain meds and benzos back in the day, so there is the reason i didnt notice the tren sides so much. Now i am clean and tren is a bitch on my body, especially my psyche and sleep. I don't really need antiE if i keep test below 1 gram.
I don't know how ESF uses the amounts he does. That is crazy! I don't think i could ever reach that level. Some people have a physiology that can tolerate it. I do not.
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Dying those gray pubes will significantly extend the non-grossness of said half-century old plus erect penis.
...No homo
Agreed if I didn't clean up real nice down there ;D Besides makes your dick look bigger.
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This is more along the lines of a cycle i could see myself running long term. I would just make it an even 500mg Test/ 500mg "whatever" and 4IU GH. The whatever would probably be MAsteron bc i fucking love it, but i would also substitute in EQ. Add 50mg Dianabol or 100mg Anadrol and that seems to be my sweet spot for cycles. Tren is just not a drug my body can tolerate. Used it a lot years ago and now that I'm older i just cannot tolerate the sides. I also was using a lot of pain meds and benzos back in the day, so there is the reason i didnt notice the tren sides so much. Now i am clean and tren is a bitch on my body, especially my psyche and sleep. I don't really need antiE if i keep test below 1 gram.
I don't know how ESF uses the amounts he does. That is crazy! I don't think i could ever reach that level. Some people have a physiology that can tolerate it. I do not.
Perfect... I love Masteron too but after a while I get prostate problems. I throw Var in off an on myself. Tren is rough on me these days also but it just fucking works. I am going to try a low dose Tren Ace/Mast P/Test cycle soon and keep it short. Let's see what happens...Ken
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I'd always considered going this route regardless of gear use. How's it working out for ya phreak?
Great. By which I mean: okay-ish. Sounds weird, but let me explain. My goal is feeling normal for my age. Not like superman (way too tempting for me), but slightly better than the normal, non-training 40-y.o. And having more energy than my wife (chronically ill) an my father (age 70). In that I have succeeded.
My goal at this time is not to become the next Mr. Olympia. Even though I have been wider than Heath since age 14. My goal is to be a very fit, reasonably strong 70-y.o. man in 2044. I want to have my father's energy (can't keep the old guy down) with a bit more strength and physical resilience.
Escalating the dosage is something I did consider last week even. But what would adding 200 mg/wk of tren do? Yes, I'd probably feel great and look better. But then what? Can't keep doing that and be healthy for the next 30 years. So I might as well not start.
But honestly, knowing what I know now? If I had started using test at 20, my lfe would have been very different. 'I could been a contenda', instead of a (close) runner up to known roid abusers. So honestly, I'm glad I didn't do it then. Because would I have options now, if I had? Or would I be someone needing (mentally at least) 2 g to cruise?
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well, running hundreds of mcgs of t3/day plus still doing injections put my CK levels in the 1400-2200 range. first test was 1400 or so, and the 2nd a couple days later was over 2100.
yes... thousands. lol.
any injection of anything will cause your CK to be very high the day after.. even one injection.. and I was probably doing 2-4 injections a few times a week, so that alone will put my CK levels wayyyy high, temporarily... but with the T3, my body was eating away at the muscle, hence the CK in the thousands.
whats ek? creatinine or bun?
didnt know that about the shots.
yeah one guy told me his alat liver value was in the 2 thousands at times.insanity.
very god point btw, if the body is on strict diet,or bit too strict and temporarily eating its own muscle, the kidney readings will be elevated,esp "bun"
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Perfect... I love Masteron too but after a while I get prostate problems. I throw Var in off an on myself. Tren is rough on me these days also but it just fucking works. I am going to try a low dose Tren Ace/Mast P/Test cycle soon and keep it short. Let's see what happens...Ken
Thanks. I have been doing the cycle style I wrote for a while now and it works great for me. Good to see someone else who loves Masteron. I think too many guys use it at way too low a dosage and write it off as ineffective. Masteron is a fucking amazing drug. PEriod.
In my younger days, I ran the cycle you are proposing doing MANY times. Tren Ace/Mast/Test Prop. If you can tolerate the tren, it is probably the most effective stack you use. Add an oral based on your goals at the time, ie. Abombs of Dianabol for mass - Var or Winny for cutting. GH and anti E's and there you go. I don't think you can get a more effective cycle.
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whats ek? creatinine or bun?
didnt know that about the shots.
yeah one guy told me his alat liver value was in the 2 thousands at times.insanity.
very god point btw, if the body is on strict diet,or bit too strict and temporarily eating its own muscle, the kidney readings will be elevated,esp "bun"
CK is Creatine kinase ...
it's used as a marker of myocardial infarction (heart attack), rhabdomyolysis & muscular dystrophy..... and acute kidney failure. lol
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CK is Creatine kinase ...
it's used as a marker of myocardial infarction (heart attack), rhabdomyolysis & muscular dystrophy..... and acute kidney failure. lol
well, the acute failure is less bad than the chronic one imo
ill have to check that on my sheet :D
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well, the acute failure is less bad than the chronic one imo
ill have to check that on my sheet :D
your CK will be elevated after a hard workout... legs, back, ect... or an extended workout in which you cause a lot of stress to the body (crossfit guys and wrestlers cutting weight will have high CK levels... and develop rabdo, and even "temporary" kidney failure)... it's basically a by-product of muscle breakdown/muscle injury.
doing an injection causes 'muscle injury' (dunno how else to describe it) and will raise CK levels for a day or so.
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This is over all one of the most honest threads I have read. It is cool to see a lot of us coming to terms with the decisions we have made and looking at the big picture and honestly saying the dangers of steroid use. To many threads are just full of guy's glamorizing high dosages and never talking about the negative side effects they have in the long term. Honestly I know that it is a self defense mechanism we all kind of have as steroid users to play it off like nothing bad will ever happen health wise. So that we can sleep at night and are not paranoid. I do the same thing to try to feel better. But even some of the guys who glamorize high dosages in the past that have commented on this thread even said more of the reality about their situations. I honestly respect that a lot because it is not the popular thing to do on a steroid forum.
I appreciate every one who commented and gave me advice about my testosterone levels. I know im going to end up on TRT honestly I just don't see a way around it. Thinking back on it I was off steroids for more like a year and ten months and my levels were at 413ng/dl. And after this last cycle that is about 5 months long I know I won't even recover back to 413ng/dl. And like galeniko mentioned my only real bet to recover would be with a doctors supervision. And than that would mean I would have to stop steroids for ever or it would be pointless. And my testosterone levels would still drop dramatically by the time I reached 28 to 30 probably.
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Great. By which I mean: okay-ish. Sounds weird, but let me explain. My goal is feeling normal for my age. Not like superman (way too tempting for me), but slightly better than the normal, non-training 40-y.o. And having more energy than my wife (chronically ill) an my father (age 70). In that I have succeeded.
My goal at this time is not to become the next Mr. Olympia. Even though I have been wider than Heath since age 14. My goal is to be a very fit, reasonably strong 70-y.o. man in 2044. I want to have my father's energy (can't keep the old guy down) with a bit more strength and physical resilience.
Escalating the dosage is something I did consider last week even. But what would adding 200 mg/wk of tren do? Yes, I'd probably feel great and look better. But then what? Can't keep doing that and be healthy for the next 30 years. So I might as well not start.
But honestly, knowing what I know now? If I had started using test at 20, my lfe would have been very different. 'I could been a contenda', instead of a (close) runner up to known roid abusers. So honestly, I'm glad I didn't do it then. Because would I have options now, if I had? Or would I be someone needing (mentally at least) 2 g to cruise?
It's completely normal to get greedy and want more ;D
Outside of the gym I've never felt any crazy boost in energy or libido btw. If I get off, I just feel tired all day and pinning again makes me feel "normal". So nothing out of the ordinary there...
well, the acute failure is less bad than the chronic one imo
ill have to check that on my sheet :D
lol...you're not coming off.
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how can galeniko have bad blood if he only uses 250mg of pharmaceutical grade test per week and eats like a model?
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This is over all one of the most honest threads I have read. It is cool to see a lot of us coming to terms with the decisions we have made and looking at the big picture and honestly saying the dangers of steroid use. To many threads are just full of guy's glamorizing high dosages and never talking about the negative side effects they have in the long term. Honestly I know that it is a self defense mechanism we all kind of have as steroid users to play it off like nothing bad will ever happen health wise. So that we can sleep at night and are not paranoid. I do the same thing to try to feel better. But even some of the guys who glamorize high dosages in the past that have commented on this thread even said more of the reality about their situations. I honestly respect that a lot because it is not the popular thing to do on a steroid forum.
I appreciate every one who commented and gave me advice about my testosterone levels. I know im going to end up on TRT honestly I just don't see a way around it. Thinking back on it I was off steroids for more like a year and ten months and my levels were at 413ng/dl. And after this last cycle that is about 5 months long I know I won't even recover back to 413ng/dl. And like galeniko mentioned my only real bet to recover would be with a doctors supervision. And than that would mean I would have to stop steroids for ever or it would be pointless. And my testosterone levels would still drop dramatically by the time I reached 28 to 30 probably.
Agreed, very honest thread indeed. I'm actually really surprised at a lot of the responses too.
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your CK will be elevated after a hard workout... legs, back, ect... or an extended workout in which you cause a lot of stress to the body (crossfit guys and wrestlers cutting weight will have high CK levels... and develop rabdo, and even "temporary" kidney failure)... it's basically a by-product of muscle breakdown/muscle injury.
doing an injection causes 'muscle injury' (dunno how else to describe it) and will raise CK levels for a day or so.
hm, this is very interesting.
so if one hits a nerve or damaged muscle tissue and that hurts for a week,then this will be elevated levels for a while too,right?
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hm, this is very interesting.
so if one hits a nerve or damaged muscle tissue and that hurts for a week,then this will be elevated levels for a while too,right?
nerve? I doubt it would elevate CK... if tissue is sore/hurts for a week, then there's probably trauma and CK will probably be elevated.
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How is this a recent discovery? So everyones suddenly like omg 250mg eq im going to die so im lowering the dose guize oh noes guize bbers die coz of sterons and i take the sterons oh noes
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How is this a recent discovery? So everyones suddenly like omg 250mg eq im going to die so im lowering the dose guize oh noes guize bbers die coz of sterons and i take the sterons oh noes
Maybe you should Reread the entire thread. This is a good discussion and there was no retarded talk until you entered the convo, bro.
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Maybe you should Reread the entire thread. This is a good discussion and there was no retarded talk until you entered the convo, bro.
LOL. The irony is that this board, notwithstanding recent personality clashes, is one of the most honest, information-filled board on a very touchy subject. Compare and contrast to the hilarious shit that goes on in G&O!
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LOL. The irony is that this board, notwithstanding recent personality clashes, is one of the most honest, information-filled board on a very touchy subject. Compare and contrast to the hilarious shit that goes on in G&O!
Haha exactly
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I've thought about this many times over the years, as my family doesn't have the best history for heart disease and cholestorol issues. About 6 years ago i started using much lower dosages and i haven't had any "really" bad bloodwork. Back when i was using grams of gear, i still got bloodwork done regularly because i learned from good people who always told me to get it checked no matter how you feel. Even on larger doses my bloodwork wasn't too bad, but for a man in his 20's it wasn't good either.
Now that i'm in my mid 30's i honestly believe AAS can definately harm you if you use too much or for too long. There is no mistake that any compound that raises your blood pressure, liver values and cholestorol is not going to benefit you. However, i also believe that as long as you monitor your body correctly you can run moderate doses for many years with zero issues. The only problem i'm ever had from AAS use is high blood pressure and slightly out of whack chol numbers. I just recently started to develop gyno after over 12 years of AAS use.
Bottom line is like anything in life, using AAS is a risk and if you are able to accept that risk then go for it. I've never met anyone who died from using steroids, but i know a ton of people who have died from rec drugs, alcohol and just plain bad luck. Live your life and enjoy it.
If i could start over i probably would never go over 1g of combined AAS and just blast/cruise for years on end while getting proper bloodwork done. These days i never go over 1g and i'm pretty much the same size as i was years ago, but it took many years to build up to my level of muscularity. In any event, it takes many years of lifting weights and using AAS to get into the 220's with single digit body fat. Even when i was on some large doses it didn't seem to get me there at a great speed, but it sure did make me stronger than a gorilla.
This is a great thread, please continue to speak your mind. I really enjoy reading the educated and informed peoples view on this subject.
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I've thought about this many times over the years, as my family doesn't have the best history for heart disease and cholestorol issues. About 6 years ago i started using much lower dosages and i haven't had any "really" bad bloodwork. Back when i was using grams of gear, i still got bloodwork done regularly because i learned from good people who always told me to get it checked no matter how you feel. Even on larger doses my bloodwork wasn't too bad, but for a man in his 20's it wasn't good either.
Now that i'm in my mid 30's i honestly believe AAS can definately harm you if you use too much or for too long. There is no mistake that any compound that raises your blood pressure, liver values and cholestorol is not going to benefit you. However, i also believe that as long as you monitor your body correctly you can run moderate doses for many years with zero issues. The only problem i'm ever had from AAS use is high blood pressure and slightly out of whack chol numbers. I just recently started to develop gyno after over 12 years of AAS use.
Bottom line is like anything in life, using AAS is a risk and if you are able to accept that risk then go for it. I've never met anyone who died from using steroids, but i know a ton of people who have died from rec drugs, alcohol and just plain bad luck. Live your life and enjoy it.
If i could start over i probably would never go over 1g of combined AAS and just blast/cruise for years on end while getting proper bloodwork done. These days i never go over 1g and i'm pretty much the same size as i was years ago, but it took many years to build up to my level of muscularity. In any event, it takes many years of lifting weights and using AAS to get into the 220's with single digit body fat. Even when i was on some large doses it didn't seem to get me there at a great speed, but it sure did make me stronger than a gorilla.
This is a great thread, please continue to speak your mind. I really enjoy reading the educated and informed peoples view on this subject.
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Excellent post.
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This is over all one of the most honest threads I have read. It is cool to see a lot of us coming to terms with the decisions we have made and looking at the big picture and honestly saying the dangers of steroid use. To many threads are just full of guy's glamorizing high dosages and never talking about the negative side effects they have in the long term. Honestly I know that it is a self defense mechanism we all kind of have as steroid users to play it off like nothing bad will ever happen health wise. So that we can sleep at night and are not paranoid. I do the same thing to try to feel better. But even some of the guys who glamorize high dosages in the past that have commented on this thread even said more of the reality about their situations. I honestly respect that a lot because it is not the popular thing to do on a steroid forum.
I appreciate every one who commented and gave me advice about my testosterone levels. I know im going to end up on TRT honestly I just don't see a way around it. Thinking back on it I was off steroids for more like a year and ten months and my levels were at 413ng/dl. And after this last cycle that is about 5 months long I know I won't even recover back to 413ng/dl. And like galeniko mentioned my only real bet to recover would be with a doctors supervision. And than that would mean I would have to stop steroids for ever or it would be pointless. And my testosterone levels would still drop dramatically by the time I reached 28 to 30 probably.
A good endo would be helpful to get your HPTA back on track
With a good diet, you can surely have test level more than the average joe.
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I've thought about this many times over the years, as my family doesn't have the best history for heart disease and cholestorol issues. About 6 years ago i started using much lower dosages and i haven't had any "really" bad bloodwork. Back when i was using grams of gear, i still got bloodwork done regularly because i learned from good people who always told me to get it checked no matter how you feel. Even on larger doses my bloodwork wasn't too bad, but for a man in his 20's it wasn't good either.
Now that i'm in my mid 30's i honestly believe AAS can definately harm you if you use too much or for too long. There is no mistake that any compound that raises your blood pressure, liver values and cholestorol is not going to benefit you. However, i also believe that as long as you monitor your body correctly you can run moderate doses for many years with zero issues. The only problem i'm ever had from AAS use is high blood pressure and slightly out of whack chol numbers. I just recently started to develop gyno after over 12 years of AAS use.
Bottom line is like anything in life, using AAS is a risk and if you are able to accept that risk then go for it. I've never met anyone who died from using steroids, but i know a ton of people who have died from rec drugs, alcohol and just plain bad luck. Live your life and enjoy it.
If i could start over i probably would never go over 1g of combined AAS and just blast/cruise for years on end while getting proper bloodwork done. These days i never go over 1g and i'm pretty much the same size as i was years ago, but it took many years to build up to my level of muscularity. In any event, it takes many years of lifting weights and using AAS to get into the 220's with single digit body fat. Even when i was on some large doses it didn't seem to get me there at a great speed, but it sure did make me stronger than a gorilla.
This is a great thread, please continue to speak your mind. I really enjoy reading the educated and informed peoples view on this subject.
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How is your blood work now that your a little older using less gear compared to when you were younger using higher doses?, also how do you manage your blood pressure?
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It's completely normal to get greedy and want more ;D
Outside of the gym I've never felt any crazy boost in energy or libido btw. If I get off, I just feel tired all day and pinning again makes me feel "normal". So nothing out of the ordinary there...
The one major drawback I have been experiencing is a crazy appetite. I'm a recovering blimp, so if there's one thing I don't need it is an increased appetite. Funny that the studies never mention that being such a serious side effect. Mine has always been big (you don't get to 315 eating like an anorexic), but now it is out of control and my diet has gone to shit.
Hell, I even thought about taking high dose anadrol, just because people say it reduces appetite. However, poisoning my liver is probably not the most effective or healthy way of blocking my hunger pangs... ;D
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The one major drawback I have been experiencing is a crazy appetite. I'm a recovering blimp, so if there's one thing I don't need it is an increased appetite. Funny that the studies never mention that being such a serious side effect. Mine has always been big (you don't get to 315 eating like an anorexic), but now it is out of control and my diet has gone to shit.
Hell, I even thought about taking high dose anadrol, just because people say it reduces appetite. However, poisoning my liver is probably not the most effective or healthy way of blocking my hunger pangs... ;D
hahah yeah I get extreme hunger pangs on nandrolone but never seen that as a common side effect in others. My appetite was normal on test and I avoided eq for the longest time in fear it would make me too hungry...seems like nothing compared to the hunger I feel on nandrolone though.
An increase in hunger and loss in motivation to sticking to a good diet is a horrible combo. At some point my appetite did seem to "normalize" on nandrolone hopefully you have the same experience before you explode.
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i talked to my doc and we took the necesary measures.
btw, ust saying for all the reckless out there , with blood pressure issues.
its either too much food,good or bad.
or too much freaking juice,in plain english, more than you need,the sides try to tell you so ::) beware.
and i hope you are aware, what high bloop pressure does long term to your health, in case someone cares.
i find the blood pressure issue a phenomenal benchmark to estimate when and what is too much.
if youre fighting high blood pressure with meds only to be able to run same amounts of gear,then, how can i say, you wouldnt score very high on the PISA tests.
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hahah yeah I get extreme hunger pangs on nandrolone but never seen that as a common side effect in others. My appetite was normal on test and I avoided eq for the longest time in fear it would make me too hungry...seems like nothing compared to the hunger I feel on nandrolone though.
An increase in hunger and loss in motivation to sticking to a good diet is a horrible combo. At some point my appetite did seem to "normalize" on nandrolone hopefully you have the same experience before you explode.
300mg nandrolone turns me into a starving lunatic.
300mg EQ, eh, slightly increase in hunger, about what you would expect from any drug.
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HOW DOES GALENIKO HAVE HEALTH ISSUES WHEN HE CLAIMED TO RUN ONLY 1CC OF PHARMACEUTICAL TEST PER WEEK?
somebody fill me in
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HOW DOES GALENIKO HAVE HEALTH ISSUES WHEN HE CLAIMED TO RUN ONLY 1CC OF PHARMACEUTICAL TEST PER WEEK?
somebody fill me in
Guys who cycle year round have such issues. Best remedy is to go the herbal detox way.
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Let me give you an example.
How many times do you service your car and get the tires changed? Probably once a month.
Now compare it to the cars speeding the track in F1. They go so fast that they need to change tires atleast twice a day.
Your body is the same way. You use gear, you will need more servicing to keep it running in top shape.
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Let me give you an example.
How many times do you service your car and get the tires changed? Probably once a month.
Now compare it to the cars speeding the track in F1. They go so fast that they need to change tires atleast twice a day.
Your body is the same way. You use gear, you will need more servicing to keep it running in top shape.
uhm service twice a year change tires never so far
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uhm service twice a year change tires never so far
Fine, get bloodwork 2x a year then. More gear == more bloodwork. Simple.
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i talked to my doc and we took the necesary measures.
btw, ust saying for all the reckless out there , with blood pressure issues.
its either too much food,good or bad.
or too much freaking juice,in plain english, more than you need,the sides try to tell you so ::) beware.
and i hope you are aware, what high bloop pressure does long term to your health, in case someone cares.
i find the blood pressure issue a phenomenal benchmark to estimate when and what is too much.
if youre fighting high blood pressure with meds only to be able to run same amounts of gear,then, how can i say, you wouldnt score very high on the PISA tests.
Great post!
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HOW DOES GALENIKO HAVE HEALTH ISSUES WHEN HE CLAIMED TO RUN ONLY 1CC OF PHARMACEUTICAL TEST PER WEEK?
somebody fill me in
when you run it year round and blow up the diet for couple weeks,overeat on shit foods, itll happen.
we must also remember that often 250real test will be god knows how much of the chinese supplements.
even on 250 week, do few 7k calorie binges of junk foods in a row and then have everything checked,starting with BP.
after few days of this, insulin sensitivity will already be down and have trigered everything to go wrong.
sometimes it happens to the best, they dont stick to the diet :D
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nerve? I doubt it would elevate CK... if tissue is sore/hurts for a week, then there's probably trauma and CK will probably be elevated.
Yes your right...my ck is always more elevated from hard workouts.. Especially squats and dead lifts.. I couldn't take an injection a week before my blood test or else it would be elevated
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Yes your right...my ck is always more elevated from hard workouts.. Especially squats and dead lifts.. I couldn't take an injection a week before my blood test or else it would be elevated
I see your point, but if you have blood work done in an unnatural (for you) state of not lifting and pinning, then how applicable will the test results be? Reality is that you will be walking around lifting and injecting for years. So shouldn't your blood work be okay when you are in your usual routine? To me this sounds like a fat person coming off Twinkies for a week before a test, just to avoid being labelled a diabetic.
No dig at you personally, just wondering about this in general.
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ck will go down within a day or two usually.
want a legit reading? don't do a shot or have a heavy workout the day or two before bloodwork.
if you do have a shot or a hard workout, expect your ck to be up
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I see your point, but if you have blood work done in an unnatural (for you) state of not lifting and pinning, then how applicable will the test results be? Reality is that you will be walking around lifting and injecting for years. So shouldn't your blood work be okay when you are in your usual routine? To me this sounds like a fat person coming off Twinkies for a week before a test, just to avoid being labelled a diabetic.
No dig at you personally, just wondering about this in general.
I agree bro... I'm not one of those guys who stays on all year around anymore..I use to but for my sport I really don't need it..I get multiple blood works done a year off and on
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ck will go down within a day or two usually.
want a legit reading? don't do a shot or have a heavy workout the day or two before bloodwork.
if you do have a shot or a hard workout, expect your ck to be up
Agree mine was much lower when I did this.. I have a normal baseline of what my levels are when I'm on and off sauce
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ck will go down within a day or two usually.
want a legit reading? don't do a shot or have a heavy workout the day or two before bloodwork.
if you do have a shot or a hard workout, expect your ck to be up
but how legit will that be if one trains every day basicaly.if you know what i mean?
or does the after 2 days off training parameter really really count?
my point is, the body is under permanent stress if we dont take days off.i guess thats the price
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but how legit will that be if one trains every day basicaly.if you know what i mean?
or does the after 2 days off training parameter really really count?
my point is, the body is under permanent stress if we dont take days off.i guess thats the price
if the body is under constant stress, you just have to accept the fact your CK readings will be higher than normal.
'how high' is the question.
if I recall 'normal high' is like 120 or 190 or something... doing an injection or two (I always hit both sides.. each glute, each delt, ect..) the day before will put you in the hundreds usually.. like 500+, combine that will a very recent heavy leg day (and if you're dehydrated) you're looking at nearly a 1000 reading.
wait a day or two and those levels will fall off quickly.
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What about guys who juice hard and train 2 Tim's a day? Supra normal readings
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What about guys who juice hard and train 2 Tim's a day? Supra normal readings
it depends on a few factors..
how hard the workouts are being one.
CK is a measure of muscle breakdown and/or muscle damage.
now, if you're dieting and still training *hard*, your CK will be high.
Think wrestlers cutting weight and cross-fit guys (usually newbies) who push too hard.
ck is used to measure rhabdomyalosis (spelling?? I should know how to spell that, but it's too early for me.lol).
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hahah yeah I get extreme hunger pangs on nandrolone but never seen that as a common side effect in others. My appetite was normal on test and I avoided eq for the longest time in fear it would make me too hungry...seems like nothing compared to the hunger I feel on nandrolone though.
An increase in hunger and loss in motivation to sticking to a good diet is a horrible combo. At some point my appetite did seem to "normalize" on nandrolone hopefully you have the same experience before you explode.
I've always interpreted the increased hunger as a sign your body is growing, and so needs more nutrients to support the growth
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I've always interpreted the increased hunger as a sign your body is growing, and so needs more nutrients to support the growth
I'm interpreting that as a great way to get fat
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I've always interpreted the increased hunger as a sign your body is growing, and so needs more nutrients to support the growth
You know, the ability of certain steroids to stimulate the appetite is great for those guys that are under eaters. I've never had that problem though lol ...
And chiro 300mg of eq really is too low of a dose to notice any effect. I don't think its completely worthless cause the fact that its mild in sides and doesn't cause much water retention would make it a good addition to a proper cycle.
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And now DA is DOA. :(