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Getbig Main Boards => Politics and Political Issues Board => Topic started by: Soul Crusher on December 26, 2013, 02:41:18 PM
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http://nypost.com/2013/12/25/new-obamacare-fees-coming-in-2014
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Does this really surprise anyone? ::)
The thing that pisses me off most about healthcare is that obese lazy slobs are the reason why premiums are so fucking high.
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Does this really surprise anyone? ::)
The thing that pisses me off most about healthcare is that obese lazy slobs are the reason why premiums are so fucking high.
the libtards who voted for him are very suprised
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He's completely abandoned the middle class.
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He's completely abandoned the middle class.
How so?
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How so?
seven million drop from middle class to poverty. the average middle class family now earns almost three dollars less per year. obamacare will tax the average mans insurance $250.00 a year. the service on the debt he has accumulated consumes nearly 100 billion a month. I guess its more appropriate to say, how has Obama not HURT middle, hard working America.
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http://nypost.com/2013/12/25/new-obamacare-fees-coming-in-2014
You must be very poor:
The new taxes on one customer’s bill added up to $23.14 a month, or $277.68 annually, according to Kaiser Health News. It boosted the monthly premium from $322.26 to $345.40 for that individual.
I feel sorry for you. How is life at the bottom of society?
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You must be very poor:
The new taxes on one customer’s bill added up to $23.14 a month, or $277.68 annually, according to Kaiser Health News. It boosted the monthly premium from $322.26 to $345.40 for that individual.
I feel sorry for you. How is life at the bottom of society?
Stfu moron.
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Stfu moron.
Is there a good conservative charity too help you?
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Is there a good conservative charity too help you?
Typical communist mentalty - just rob everyone
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I'm sorry....but it's worth it.
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I'm sorry....but it's worth it.
Worth it for who?
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Typical communist mentalty - just rob everyone
You must be very poor:
The new taxes on one customer’s bill added up to $23.14 a month, or $277.68 annually, according to Kaiser Health News. It boosted the monthly premium from $322.26 to $345.40 for that individual.
I feel sorry for you. How is life at the bottom of society?
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+2500 on avg healthcare bill so far from obama car, and I bet +5000 long term at least.
I can't believe they tax house and airline to fund obamacare.
wow
liek cancer spreading to each part of body
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You must be very poor:
The new taxes on one customer’s bill added up to $23.14 a month, or $277.68 annually, according to Kaiser Health News. It boosted the monthly premium from $322.26 to $345.40 for that individual.
I feel sorry for you. How is life at the bottom of society?
How does that help the economy? Paying more to EVIL insurance companies vs the local economy helps who?
O-COKEHEAD screwed everybody w this disaster
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It's worth it for everyone.
It's not going to break the bank.
I do have a question though......is paying this monthly absolutely mandatory for everyone?
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It's worth it for everyone.
It's not going to break the bank.
I do have a question though......is paying this monthly absolutely mandatory for everyone?
Who are you to say what it will do to my bank or others?
Let's say you work at a local restaurant as a waitress and now I decide that I no longer eat there cause I need the money for added obamacare taxes? Guess what - less income to you too.
And for what? To subsidize others'insurance? No thanks
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You must be very poor:
How can you even think this is an appropriate response?
You are an idiot who is wasting too much of the available air supply in this planet.
The POINT is, you moron, is that the messiah promised no taxes on anyone earning $250k. Now I know some of you libtards will claim he meant wage taxes. You will twist his own words to protect him. Even, so these new taxes still affect those earning less than $250k. Individuals earning $50k and families earning $60k, OR ANYONE WHO DOESN'T QUALIFY FOR SUBSIDIES, will be hit by these taxes. Their costs will be MORE THAN 8% of their wages. Obama said that it WOULD NOT BE MORE THAN 8%.
There will be some, maybe even many of them, who will not be able TO AFFORD crapcare, thus undermining the very purpose of crapcare which was TO INSURE EVERYONE. Why was it supposed to insure everyone? Ummmm, because it was promoted as AFFORDABLE. More and more it looks like it IS NOT AFFORDABLE for a segment of the population.
There are 20 new taxes under crapcare. TWENTY.
I can't help but notice that your response also shows the true colors of a libtard.
You claim that you care about everyone, even the poor, but you have no qualms with ridiculing someone for being poor.
Go ahead, libtard. Come back with your usual stupid comments. 800 year old boatman, blah, blah, blah...
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Juan looks like he just got smacked w the reality stick
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How can you even think this is an appropriate response?
You are an idiot who is wasting too much of the available air supply in this planet.
The POINT is, you moron, is that the messiah promised no taxes on anyone earning $250k. Now I know some of you libtards will claim he meant wage taxes. You will twist his own words to protect him. Even, so these new taxes still affect those earning less than $250k. Individuals earning $50k and families earning $60k, OR ANYONE WHO DOESN'T QUALIFY FOR SUBSIDIES, will be hit by these taxes. Their costs will be MORE THAN 8% of their wages. Obama said that it WOULD NOT BE MORE THAN 8%.
There will be some, maybe even many of them, who will not be able TO AFFORD crapcare, thus undermining the very purpose of crapcare which was TO INSURE EVERYONE. Why was it supposed to insure everyone? Ummmm, because it was promoted as AFFORDABLE. More and more it looks like it IS NOT AFFORDABLE for a segment of the population.
There are 20 new taxes under crapcare. TWENTY.
I can't help but notice that your response also shows the true colors of a libtard.
You claim that you care about everyone, even the poor, but you have no qualms with ridiculing someone for being poor.
Go ahead, libtard. Come back with your usual stupid comments. 800 year old boatman, blah, blah, blah...
You must be very poor:
The new taxes on one customer’s bill added up to $23.14 a month, or $277.68 annually, according to Kaiser Health News. It boosted the monthly premium from $322.26 to $345.40 for that individual.
I feel sorry for you. How is life at the bottom of society?
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You must be very poor:
The new taxes on one customer’s bill added up to $23.14 a month, or $277.68 annually, according to Kaiser Health News. It boosted the monthly premium from $322.26 to $345.40 for that individual.
I feel sorry for you. How is life at the bottom of society?
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Typical communist worthless thief - kill yourself
You must be very poor:
The new taxes on one customer’s bill added up to $23.14 a month, or $277.68 annually, according to Kaiser Health News. It boosted the monthly premium from $322.26 to $345.40 for that individual.
I feel sorry for you. How is life at the bottom of society?
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Typical communist worthless thief - kill yourself
Just face it you are not succesful enough to live in the US. Your services are not required and nobody wants to pay for them.
You must be the lowest paid lawyer ever. Where do you work?
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The fact that people under $250k are being burdened with more taxes is lost on the liberal idiots that have posted on this thread.
I have lost count of all the lies the clowninchief has said.
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The fact that people under $250k are being burdened with more taxes is lost on the liberal idiots that have posted on this thread.
I have lost count of all the lies the clowninchief has said.
They don't care - to these worthless scumbags - ends justify the means on the march to communism
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Just face it you are not succesful enough to live in the US. Your services are not required and nobody wants to pay for them.
You must be the lowest paid lawyer ever. Where do you work?
FACT. taxes have gone up for EVERYONE. not just the wealthy. Obama can say he didn't raise taxes on anyone making under $250,000. why? because he didn't increase the tax rates on taxable income less than $250,000 in the tax tables.
he did however, decrease thresholds and phaseout amounts for people making less than $250,000. so he didn't change the tax tables for people making less than $250,000 but people making less than $250,000 are going to have to pay more in federal taxes. this is all politician mumbo jumbo meant to prey upon ignorant people like you who only want to believe what they want to believe. it's sad and disturbing.
i'm running into less and less people like you every day simply because most people are smart enough to catch on after 5 years of this shit. everyone with half a brain nowadays knows that the "no increase in taxes for people making less than $250,000" is not true.
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I dont give a shit what Obama said and neither do you.
Its peanuts stop whining.
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I dont give a shit what Obama said and neither do you.
Its peanuts stop whining.
Mentality of a vandal.
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Mentality of a vandal.
And you have the mentality of a cheap ass living on the bottom of society.
Get a job or education and stop whining. Its peanuts.
And dont tell the lie that you are a lawyer anymore.
With the economic finances you have you must be working at Mcdonalds. And then you come on this board acting conservative. You are a joke.
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I dont give a shit what Obama said and neither do you.
Its peanuts stop whining.
the government, when attempting to squeeze as much money from the populace as possible, never comes at them with an ax, they slice away little by little so asshats like you vote with your heartstrings and forgive the next 1-2%, every time, time after time. that's why in Illinois sales tax is almost 10% now. that's why we have the highest taxes in the country.......and somehow we have the biggest deficit. go figure.
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the government, when attempting to squeeze as much money from the populace as possible, never comes at them with an ax, they slice away little by little so asshats like you vote with your heartstrings and forgive the next 1-2%, every time, time after time. that's why in Illinois sales tax is almost 10% now. that's why we have the highest taxes in the country.......and somehow we have the biggest deficit. go figure.
Its peanuts we are talking about here and it used to give more health care to more people.
You get a lot for a small price.
You claim to be a business man. You should know a good deal when you see one. But your voluntary indoctrination blinds you.
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Its peanuts we are talking about here and it used to give more health care to more people.
You get a lot for a small price.
You claim to be a business man. You should know a good deal when you see one. But your voluntary indoctrination blinds you.
first off. it's always peanuts that's my point.
second. how in the fuck do you know its going to be used for other peoples health care? you implicitly trust the US government to efficiently allocate all of this money?
third. how do you figure we're going to get a lot for a small price? taxes are going up across the board. that means costs are going up across the board.
you've proven that you know NOTHING about VERY basic economics. stop posting ridiculous shit. you sound like a wet behind the ear college kid.
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Its peanuts we are talking about here and it used to give more health care to more people.
You get a lot for a small price.
You claim to be a business man. You should know a good deal when you see one. But your voluntary indoctrination blinds you.
you nor I have enough information from the Obama administration on this to make an educated decision on this being a "good deal". you're just saying that because you've chosen to not be an informed voter but rather an Obama cheerleader. so fucking ridiculous. a "good deal" when I see one???? I've heard about enough ridiculous things for one day.
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Whork is a typical obama dildo and useful idiot. Gets his talking points from obama.com and nothng els. Typical of a commie
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Whork is a typical obama dildo and useful idiot. Gets his talking points from obama.com and nothng els. Typical of a commie
it's the implicit trust in the government to accomplish what a for profit company cannot that really gets to me. it's been drilled into his head for so long that the government are the "good guys" and the corporations are the "bad guys" that he thinks that good intentions alone will accomplish everything. that the liberal media's message in a nutshell. "give US all of your money. we'll make sure we take care of everyone". people like whork believe that if we just get rid of the "bad guys" everything will be OK. its a simplistic, childish, belief that's easily sold on young liberals who never had to work for their money. I wish it were that easy.
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the government, when attempting to squeeze as much money from the populace as possible, never comes at them with an ax, they slice away little by little so asshats like you vote with your heartstrings and forgive the next 1-2%, every time, time after time. that's why in Illinois sales tax is almost 10% now. that's why we have the highest taxes in the country.......and somehow we have the biggest deficit. go figure.
I live in country with 50-70% taxes.
Do your whining elsewhere.
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first off. it's always peanuts that's my point.
second. how in the fuck do you know its going to be used for other peoples health care? you implicitly trust the US government to efficiently allocate all of this money?
third. how do you figure we're going to get a lot for a small price? taxes are going up across the board. that means costs are going up across the board.
you've proven that you know NOTHING about VERY basic economics. stop posting ridiculous shit. you sound like a wet behind the ear college kid.
Its peanuts and its used to at least try to fix an expensive and uneffective system.
Please explain the basic economics bit all i hear from you is "government bad". Lets hear it. Why is the old system so expensive and why is this a bad fix?
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you nor I have enough information from the Obama administration on this to make an educated decision on this being a "good deal". you're just saying that because you've chosen to not be an informed voter but rather an Obama cheerleader. so fucking ridiculous. a "good deal" when I see one???? I've heard about enough ridiculous things for one day.
Can you not easily afford paying the numbers Soulcrusher posted?
If no you got problems.
If not its peanuts so if it just marginally works it will be a good deal.
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it's the implicit trust in the government to accomplish what a for profit company cannot that really gets to me. it's been drilled into his head for so long that the government are the "good guys" and the corporations are the "bad guys" that he thinks that good intentions alone will accomplish everything. that the liberal media's message in a nutshell. "give US all of your money. we'll make sure we take care of everyone". people like whork believe that if we just get rid of the "bad guys" everything will be OK. its a simplistic, childish, belief that's easily sold on young liberals who never had to work for their money. I wish it were that easy.
This is funny.
How many years do you reckon you had the idea that government = bad , profit company = good drilled into your head?
The old system was shit and expensive and besides the new one doesnt cut out the profit companies. You pride yourself to be a knowledgeble man but it doesnt show. Do your homework.
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Its peanuts and its used to at least try to fix an expensive and uneffective system.
Please explain the basic economics bit all i hear from you is "government bad". Lets hear it. Why is the old system so expensive and why is this a bad fix?
I've NEVER said "government is bad". government is essential. we need government. I am NOT an anarchist.
the government is going to have just as hard a time meeting cash flow needs and sticking to their annual budgets as Blue Cross/Blue Shield is. The problem I have with the government becoming a health insurance company is that they have a never ending pool of money to draw from if they fuck it up........us.
just another 1% next year, and the year after that another 2%. you know...peanuts. year after year.....after year....after year.
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This is funny.
How many years do you reckon you had the idea that government = bad , profit company = good drilled into your head?
The old system was shit and expensive and besides the new one doesnt cut out the profit companies. You pride yourself to be a knowledgeble man but it doesnt show. Do your homework.
LOL! sooner or later you're going to have to base your idiotic assertions off of something better then "the old system doesn't work".
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I've NEVER said "government is bad". government is essential. we need government. I am NOT an anarchist.
the government is going to have just as hard a time meeting cash flow needs and sticking to their annual budgets as Blue Cross/Blue Shield is. The problem I have with the government becoming a health insurance company is that they have a never ending pool of money to draw from if they fuck it up........us.
just another 1% next year, and the year after that another 2%. you know...peanuts. year after year.....after year....after year.
They havent cut out the middleman, the health insurance companies (that a shame IMO) but it seems that you think they have. Can you clarify this?
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LOL! sooner or later you're going to have to base your idiotic assertions off of something better then "the old system doesn't work".
Even though the US have the most costly healthcare many people are not even covered.
Great system.
The peanuts you will be forced to pay may correct this but as the unresponsible person you are you will probably just let it sail and leave the bill to others. You hate liberals but honestly you display the worst qualities the stereotyped liberal possess. Go figure.
Bears you come on here as mighty business man claiming we libs dont know shit but honestly you are being quite exposed here. Your overall knowledge about the state of healthcare leaves a great deal to be desired.
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/2012/10/health-costs-how-the-us-compares-with-other-countries.html
http://people.howstuffworks.com/why-pursue-health-reform1.htm
http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2013/09/us-health-care/
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They havent cut out the middleman, the health insurance companies (that a shame IMO) but it seems that you think they have. Can you clarify this?
you do know that the govt has insured the health insurance companies against loss due to this shit sandwich they are forcing on us right?
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you do know that the govt has insured the health insurance companies against loss due to this shit sandwich they are forcing on us right?
You already have the worlds biggest shit-sandwich look at the post above.
And you love big business so this should make you happy, no?
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You already have the worlds biggest shit-sandwich look at the post above.
And you love big business so this should make you happy, no?
I see so b/c the old system wasnt perfect we had to make it worse...typical libtard mentality...
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I live in country with 50-70% taxes.
Do your whining elsewhere.
The wealthy here are at about 60%. Including ALL taxes as a whole I'm at about 50% as with many on here. Maybe you're just happy getting by in life or you inherited money. Like many I started from NOTHING, not a loan, no borrowing from family and NEVER took a dime from the government so I take what this guy is doing personally. To this day that loser works a fraction of what I do today the difference is, he steals for his money, I work proudly for mine. The problem is, you don't understand it's just not another few bucks a month, it's what he's doing as a whole trying to mickle and dime us into being government dependants.
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The wealthy here are at about 60%. Including ALL taxes as a whole I'm at about 50% as with many on here. Maybe you're just happy getting by in life or you inherited money. Like many I started from NOTHING, not a loan, no borrowing from family and NEVER took a dime from the government so I take what this guy is doing personally. To this day that loser works a fraction of what I do today the difference is, he steals for his money, I work proudly for mine. The problem is, you don't understand it's just not another few bucks a month, it's what he's doing as a whole trying to mickle and dime us into being government dependants.
I dont see 60% anywhere
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Income_tax_in_the_United_States
Yes Obama wants to enslave you by health insurance. Great plan ::)
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I dont see 60% anywhere
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Income_tax_in_the_United_States
Yes Obama wants to enslave you by health insurance. Great plan ::)
Stfu. You know nothing at all.
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Stfu. You know nothing at all.
Is this how you present your arguments in court?
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Is this how you present your arguments in court?
State and local taxes - look it up dummie
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I dont see 60% anywhere
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Income_tax_in_the_United_States
Yes Obama wants to enslave you by health insurance. Great plan ::)
I think I'll just write you off as one of more dumber libs on this board.
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Even though the US have the most costly healthcare many people are not even covered.
Great system.
The peanuts you will be forced to pay may correct this but as the unresponsible person you are you will probably just let it sail and leave the bill to others. You hate liberals but honestly you display the worst qualities the stereotyped liberal possess. Go figure.
Bears you come on here as mighty business man claiming we libs dont know shit but honestly you are being quite exposed here. Your overall knowledge about the state of healthcare leaves a great deal to be desired.
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/2012/10/health-costs-how-the-us-compares-with-other-countries.html
http://people.howstuffworks.com/why-pursue-health-reform1.htm
http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2013/09/us-health-care/
Roughly 15-20mil have no coverage out of 320 or so million. Out of the 15-20mil how many do you suppose are playing the system that are able bodied? Shit PBS won't tell you!
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I think I'll just write you off as one of more dumber libs on this board.
That is an understatement.
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Even though the US have the most costly healthcare many people are not even covered.
Great system.
The peanuts you will be forced to pay may correct this but as the unresponsible person you are you will probably just let it sail and leave the bill to others. You hate liberals but honestly you display the worst qualities the stereotyped liberal possess. Go figure.
Bears you come on here as mighty business man claiming we libs dont know shit but honestly you are being quite exposed here. Your overall knowledge about the state of healthcare leaves a great deal to be desired.
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/2012/10/health-costs-how-the-us-compares-with-other-countries.html
http://people.howstuffworks.com/why-pursue-health-reform1.htm
http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2013/09/us-health-care/
mighty businessman? when did I ever claim that?
and quite exposed here? coming from the guy who referenced mother fucking Wikipedia to discuss US income tax law? holy fuck you're getting stupider by the minute.
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State and local taxes - look it up dummie
and sales taxes too. liberals are preyed upon by these politicians because they choose not to pay attention to how many taxes they're paying. I see it every day.
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I dont see 60% anywhere
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Income_tax_in_the_United_States
Yes Obama wants to enslave you by health insurance. Great plan ::)
and again. whork go to a tax professional for tax information, not Wikipedia. (pretty ridiculous that I actually had to type that sentence) let's take a guy who lives in Illinois and makes $2,000,000 in wages during 2013. he's paying 39.6% of federal tax on $1.6 million, 10% Illinois tax, and every cent he uses to buy anything in his state he's paying another 9.75% at least depending on where in Illinois he lives. i'm not even counting local taxes, county taxes, and Chicago entertainment taxes he's paying if he lives in the city.
you see you're using yahoo articles to learn about tax. stop. get a masters in tax. learn how to navigate the IRC. then come back and talk to me whork. you're a cheerleader. period. I don't hate liberals. I hate know nothing liberals who spread misinformation.
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and again. whork go to a tax professional for tax information, not Wikipedia. (pretty ridiculous that I actually had to type that sentence) let's take a guy who lives in Illinois and makes $2,000,000 in wages during 2013. he's paying 39.6% of federal tax on $1.6 million, 10% Illinois tax, and every cent he uses to buy anything in his state he's paying another 9.75% at least depending on where in Illinois he lives. i'm not even counting local taxes, county taxes, and Chicago entertainment taxes he's paying if he lives in the city.
you see you're using yahoo articles to learn about tax. stop. get a masters in tax. learn how to navigate the IRC. then come back and talk to me whork. you're a cheerleader. period. I don't hate liberals. I hate know nothing liberals who spread misinformation.
If you calculate it like that we pay alot more in Europe also.
And with these rates it just makes the Obamacare tax seem symbolic to say the least. What are you whining about? Like i said many times its peanuts.
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the libtards who voted for him are very suprised
I remember a couple of the retards on this board saying back in 2008, "No one on this board will be paying more taxes under Obama." ::)
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I remember a couple of the retards on this board saying back in 2008, "No one on this board will be paying more taxes under Obama." ::)
which was false. but all the libs rationalize another tax increase by saying "its peanuts". who cares. their ideology blinds them into forgiving everything to stay loyal to their master. my question is this. if tis peanuts, what is the magic number where its OK for us to stay stop? whats the most we should be paying? 60% ??? 70% ??? and then what if that's not enough?
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If you calculate it like that we pay alot more in Europe also.
And with these rates it just makes the Obamacare tax seem symbolic to say the least. What are you whining about? Like i said many times its peanuts.
so yeah we are paying pretty comparable taxes to your country then. and i see no reason to believe that taxes aren't going up again next year, and the next year.....
so again. when are we allowed to say stop?
now when your country even comes close to sending the amount of foreign aid that the US does every year, year after year, you can give me shit for bitching about it. until then STFU.
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so yeah we are paying pretty comparable taxes to your country then. and i see no reason to believe that taxes aren't going up again next year, and the next year.....
so again. when are we allowed to say stop?
now when your country even comes close to sending the amount of foreign aid that the US does every year, year after year, you can give me shit for bitching about it. until then STFU.
Actually we pay more relative our number of citizens. But that doesnt matter in this debate.
The new taxes on one customer’s bill added up to $23.14 a month, or $277.68 annually, according to Kaiser Health News. It boosted the monthly premium from $322.26 to $345.40 for that individual.
That is peanuts and the money will pay itself in by a healthier population.
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I say lower taxes 50% and that lets paycheck takeout be reduced 50% and lower gov spending 85%
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Actually we pay more relative our number of citizens. But that doesnt matter in this debate.
The new taxes on one customer’s bill added up to $23.14 a month, or $277.68 annually, according to Kaiser Health News. It boosted the monthly premium from $322.26 to $345.40 for that individual.
That is peanuts and the money will pay itself in by a healthier population.
aw. that's cute.
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Actually we pay more relative our number of citizens. But that doesnt matter in this debate.
The new taxes on one customer’s bill added up to $23.14 a month, or $277.68 annually, according to Kaiser Health News. It boosted the monthly premium from $322.26 to $345.40 for that individual.
That is peanuts and the money will pay itself in by a healthier population.
you're also ignoring a shit ton of tax increases during 2013 that your little article is not discussing. so you're just plain wrong about the costs being peanuts to middle class America. but again you don't want the truth. you're becoming laughable.
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you're also ignoring a shit ton of tax increases during 2013 that your little article is not discussing. so you're just plain wrong about the costs being peanuts to middle class America. but again you don't want the truth. you're becoming laughable.
What 2013 tax increases?
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Actually we pay more relative our number of citizens. But that doesnt matter in this debate.
The new taxes on one customer’s bill added up to $23.14 a month, or $277.68 annually, according to Kaiser Health News. It boosted the monthly premium from $322.26 to $345.40 for that individual.
That is peanuts and the money will pay itself in by a healthier population.
Health Insurance does not equal health moron.
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Health Insurance does not equal health moron.
Easy on the retard.
He has yet to learn how to read.
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What 2013 tax increases?
typical liberal ignorance. just because the tax tables don't increase for a particular range of AGI doesn't mean that total income taxes don't go up for those taxpayers. phase out amounts and maximum credit amounts have been reduced for taxpayers in the lower brackets as well as the higher brackets for 2013.
depending on what your situation is there is also a 3.87% tax on sales of property for 2013. for most people who sold their principal residences, this isn't a problem as they have their exclusion. but for the taxpayers who have rental properties this can be a big hit.
and in spite of what the liberal media likes to tell you, people who own more than 1 piece of property aren't all rich white guys. but you'll probably chalk up that 3.87% as peanuts right? another tax you're going to forgive?
see each tax taken by itself never seems like much. but my job is to prepare tax returns, where people see their bottom line. did they have enough paid in? or do they owe? why do they owe? clients don't care about each tax imposed on them. they care about the check they have to write on April 15th. and these things add up. faster than most think.
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What 2013 tax increases?
also tax breaks for rich AND FOR MIDDLE INCOME TAXPAYERS that expired under the bush tax cuts ARE INCREASES IN TAX. these facts are lost on us in the political jibber jabber. just because Obama didn't impose a higher tax rate doesn't mean that taxes did not increase. they did.
and I really shouldn't be an asshole to you and claim that you're stupid. because you're not. if I wasn't in tax accounting I would think the same shit. because by reading the internet and newspapers, a rational person would believe exactly what you do.
the best example is the articles written by CNN about Facebook's tax situation back in 2011 or 2012, I forget. it's a little lengthy but I can lay it out for you if you want. once you hear my explanation you'll always read these articles a little differently than you do now. it's sneaky underhanded journalism at its finest.
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Actually we pay more relative our number of citizens. But that doesnt matter in this debate.
The new taxes on one customer’s bill added up to $23.14 a month, or $277.68 annually, according to Kaiser Health News. It boosted the monthly premium from $322.26 to $345.40 for that individual.
That is peanuts and the money will pay itself in by a healthier population.
With the ridiculous deductibles of the Obamacare plans 5,000-12,000/annual ... I suspect the opposite. People who don't qualify for medicare won't be able to afford care at all. I wouldn't insure my car with a 5,000 dollar deductible, you gotta be crazy to ensure your body with such. I do suspect, the massive increase in medicare will help. However, doctors will be scarse. In Collin county Plano Allen and Frisco ... there are no medicare doctors. Paul Krugman himself has admitted in February 2013, that ,massive taxes increases on the working class will be necessary as well, death panels and rationing (to make obamacare work). The liberals got their way on this one. So far, they have a net loss of 4 million insured americans. If you can't see how incompetent the government is now, you never will.
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also tax breaks for rich AND FOR MIDDLE INCOME TAXPAYERS that expired under the bush tax cuts ARE INCREASES IN TAX. these facts are lost on us in the political jibber jabber. just because Obama didn't impose a higher tax rate doesn't mean that taxes did not increase. they did.
Technically thats Bush fault for not making them permanent no? And with the Obamacare tax you actually get something in return on investment. The uninsured that gets insurance alone will save a lot more that the 20$ a month that we are debating here. I never understood how you can use billions on bombing a desert yet wont pay 20 $ for a good health.
and I really shouldn't be an asshole to you and claim that you're stupid. because you're not. if I wasn't in tax accounting I would think the same shit. because by reading the internet and newspapers, a rational person would believe exactly what you do.
the best example is the articles written by CNN about Facebook's tax situation back in 2011 or 2012, I forget. it's a little lengthy but I can lay it out for you if you want. once you hear my explanation you'll always read these articles a little differently than you do now. it's sneaky underhanded journalism at its finest.
Im all ears
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Lmfao typical libtard mentality, bush's fault!!!!
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Lmfao typical libtard mentality, bush's fault!!!!
same old rebuttal when faced with facts.
its typical. these people are more interested in being right than they are with knowing all of the facts. they are only interested in facts that support their hatred of corporate America and the Republican party. what's funny is that they make fun of religious people yet have the same blind faith in liberal politicians.
they're easy prey for biased journalists who only report on what will stoke the fire of their loyal flock who don't read for information but read for ammunition. any facts that do not serve as ammunition they simply do not care to know.
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You do know that you are describing yourself right Bear?
Replace 'Coorporate America' with the average american and the 'Republican party' with the Dem party in your post and you will see.
How does that make you feel?
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You do know that you are describing yourself right Bear?
Replace 'Coorporate America' with the average american and the 'Republican party' with the Dem party in your post and you will see.
How does that make you feel?
it makes me feel like I'm talking to a guy who gathers all of his knowledge of the US tax system from articles on the internet. and then thinks he's armed with some sort of knowledge. you are the guy who tax professionals make fun of when talking about "know nothing assholes" who think they know our job better than we do because they watch MSNBC. good luck cheering on Obamacare. i'm sure it will be an overwhelming success. everyone seems to be pretty happy about it so far. ::)
i'm sure your opinion is based on nothing but facts :)
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it makes me feel like I'm talking to a guy who gathers all of his knowledge of the US tax system from articles on the internet. and then thinks he's armed with some sort of knowledge. you are the guy who tax professionals make fun of when talking about "know nothing assholes" who think they know our job better than we do because they watch MSNBC. good luck cheering on Obamacare. i'm sure it will be an overwhelming success. everyone seems to be pretty happy about it so far. ::)
i'm sure your opinion is based on nothing but facts :)
I meant how does it make you feel that the angry feelings you project onto others is actually you with another agenda.
Are you surprised that you have such resentment toward yourself?
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it makes me feel like I'm talking to a guy who gathers all of his knowledge of the US tax system from articles on the internet. and then thinks he's armed with some sort of knowledge. you are the guy who tax professionals make fun of when talking about "know nothing assholes" who think they know our job better than we do because they watch MSNBC. good luck cheering on Obamacare. i'm sure it will be an overwhelming success. everyone seems to be pretty happy about it so far. ::)
i'm sure your opinion is based on nothing but facts :)
Random interjection: I read an article about how people into "virtual currencies" like bitcoin are trying to figure out what to do vis-à-vis taxes and how it's more or less a "I'll treat it as X... whatever." Some "I won't bother reporting any of it" even. Is there some guidance from the IRS or some consensus from tax professionals on how that stuff is to be treated?
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Random interjection: I read an article about how people into "virtual currencies" like bitcoin are trying to figure out what to do vis-à-vis taxes and how it's more or less a "I'll treat it as X... whatever." Some "I won't bother reporting any of it" even. Is there some guidance from the IRS or some consensus from tax professionals on how that stuff is to be treated?
actually its funny that you say that because on one of my last CPE seminars some dude touched upon it for a little bit in his speech and no one knew what the hell he was talking about. it sounded like people are using "virtual" currency to buy "real" things. now how do you report "virtual" currency as income? The IRS is trying to stay ahead of this as it sounds like a way to hide income. the part I don't get is that at some point the end user is going to want currency so how will he turn this "virtual" shit into money?
there is no consensus as of yet from my understanding.
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it makes me feel like I'm talking to a guy who gathers all of his knowledge of the US tax system from articles on the internet. and then thinks he's armed with some sort of knowledge.
you are the guy who tax professionals make fun of when talking about "know nothing assholes" who think they know our job better than we do because they watch MSNBC.
You guys actually have a hate group for: "know nothing assholes" who think they know our job better than we do because they watch MSNBC"
Im impressed.
Whats your obsession with MSNBC? You bring them up all the time. They have crap ratings.
good luck cheering on Obamacare. i'm sure it will be an overwhelming success. everyone seems to be pretty happy about it so far. ::)
i'm sure your opinion is based on nothing but facts :)
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actually its funny that you say that because on one of my last CPE seminars some dude touched upon it for a little bit in his speech and no one knew what the hell he was talking about. it sounded like people are using "virtual" currency to buy "real" things. now how do you report "virtual" currency as income? The IRS is trying to stay ahead of this as it sounds like a way to hide income. the part I don't get is that at some point the end user is going to want currency so how will he turn this "virtual" shit into money?
there is no consensus as of yet from my understanding.
Interesting. It seems to be all the rage in technical circles. I find the concept of digital currencies promising (and interesting from a technical standpoint as a computer scientist) but, like you, am not sure how well those currencies will interface with the real world.
So far, it seems to me that I have to wire my dollars to former Soviet Republics to get back bitcoins. Not sure how comfortable I am with that.
Brave new world out there...
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at any given time, there's going to be some certain value on the bitcoins...so that's how you call it
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Interesting. It seems to be all the rage in technical circles. I find the concept of digital currencies promising (and interesting from a technical standpoint as a computer scientist) but, like you, am not sure how well those currencies will interface with the real world.
So far, it seems to me that I have to wire my dollars to former Soviet Republics to get back bitcoins. Not sure how comfortable I am with that.
Brave new world out there...
at some point the 90.22 forms for foreign bank accounts will have a section on there for "digital currency accounts" where all US taxpayers will have to list all of their virtual accounts and the average balances of those along with their foreign bank accounts. what a mess.
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at some point the 90.22 forms for foreign bank accounts will have a section on there for "digital currency accounts" where all US taxpayers will have to list all of their virtual accounts and the average balances of those along with their foreign bank accounts. what a mess.
How ridiculous though, that we are at the point that Americans must, by government decree, give themselves the equivalent of a digital rectal exam and put the results on a form for the IRS to peruse.
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How ridiculous though, that we are at the point that Americans must, by government decree, give themselves the equivalent of a digital rectal exam and put the results on a form for the IRS to peruse.
yup and the penalties are huge.
if they find that you willfully left a foreign bank account off of the form, they can take the greater of $100,000 or 50% of the balance at the time of violation.
and if you just accidentally forget to file it or file it late you can be penalized $10,000. they don't fuck around anymore.
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since the IRS is a public agency
can we have listing of all income and expense?
all salaries?
all names of all employees?
all contractors?
all vendors?
all payments made to anyone?
thankss
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since the IRS is a public agency
can we have listing of all income and expense?
all salaries?
all names of all employees?
all contractors?
all vendors?
all payments made to anyone?
thankss
What's up with all these fucking trolls that are plaguing the board recently?
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What's up with all these fucking trolls that are plaguing the board recently?
The usual suspects. The names change, but it's the same group of knuckleheads.