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His face at the end and hip shake is awesome!
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Ali would have Tyson beat by the end of the first press conference.
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Ali would have Tyson beat by the end of the first press conference.
Easily.
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ill be the one to ask...do you think he saw these punches coming like slow motion (remember the movie Wanted)
or was he just wiggling around like a crazy man and the dark dude just sucked
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Ali would definitely have gotten in Tysons head, Tyson would have been a tough fight I think, he is a bigger Joe Frazier / Norton hybrid in my opinion. Ali survived Foreman though... Tyson and Foreman were different fighters too- I think big George wrecks Tyson early, bad style match up for Iron Mike... Holmes in his prime puts Mike away too
Ali had it all, confidence,speed,granite chin,heart of a lion, size, great mind- he was truly a once in a life time fighter
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Ali would definitely have gotten in Tysons head, Tyson would have been a tough fight I think, he is a bigger Joe Frazier / Norton hybrid in my opinion. Ali survived Foreman though... Tyson and Foreman were different fighters too- I think big George wrecks Tyson early, bad style match up for Iron Mike... Holmes in his prime puts Mike away too
Ali had it all, confidence,speed,granite chin,heart of a lion, size, great mind- he was truly a once in a life time fighter
Druing the lead up....tyson would have been done
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Ali would definitely have gotten in Tysons head, Tyson would have been a tough fight I think, he is a bigger Joe Frazier / Norton hybrid in my opinion. Ali survived Foreman though... Tyson and Foreman were different fighters too- I think big George wrecks Tyson early, bad style match up for Iron Mike... Holmes in his prime puts Mike away too
Ali had it all, confidence,speed,granite chin,heart of a lion, size, great mind- he was truly a once in a life time fighter
Exactly. Tyson has a fragile mind and Ali would have had him going crazy.
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ill be the one to ask...do you think he saw these punches coming like slow motion (remember the movie Wanted)
or was he just wiggling around like a crazy man and the dark dude just sucked
More so dodging from instinct. You know if he throws a jab you can slip it, but you'll have to slip one to two more times, then survey to see what's coming next. Good knowledge of the game, and supreme instinct.
And balls.
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More so dodging from instinct. You know if he throws a jab you can slip it, but you'll have to slip one to two more times, then survey to see what's coming next. Good knowledge of the game, and supreme instinct.
And balls.
got it.. thanks
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I wonder how long any of them would ve lasted in da cage,
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Utter "Muhammed Ali" around my grandfather and be prepared to get lectured about that coward ass draft dodging piece of shit Cacsius clay, and never to mention ali around him again. (My grandfather is a veteran of WWII, korea and Vietnam, and he volunteered at 17..) he has no love for Ali. He hates him with a violent passion for bitching out on his duty as an American citizen.
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Utter "Muhammed Ali" around my grandfather and be prepared to get lectured about that coward ass draft dodging piece of shit Cacsius clay, and never to mention ali around him again. (My grandfather is a veteran of WWII, korea and Vietnam, and he volunteered at 17..) he has no love for Ali. He hates him with a violent passion for bitching out on his duty as an American citizen.
Your grandfather is a stud, Shock.
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Ali would have Tyson beat by the end of the first press conference.
Agreed. Much smarter fighter.
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Amazing athlete.
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Timing!? Pretty sure the best boxers have it down cold.
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Pretty sure thats Ali against Ron Lyle.
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legend
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prime Ali v prime Tyson.....most everyone gives it to Ali easy........I don't think so.
All the Ali shucken and jiven wouldn't work on Tyson. He'd smash your gut with 2 shots and then uppercut you into oblivion....can't duck bodyshots.
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prime Ali v prime Tyson.....most everyone gives it to Ali easy........I don't think so.
All the Ali shucken and jiven wouldn't work on Tyson. He'd smash your gut with 2 shots and then uppercut you into oblivion....can't duck bodyshots.
possibly
no point wondering
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Why in the fuck that dude didn't work the body , Ali didn't even counter ??? , BTW holding the ropes is illegal .
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prime Ali v prime Tyson.....most everyone gives it to Ali easy........I don't think so.
All the Ali shucken and jiven wouldn't work on Tyson. He'd smash your gut with 2 shots and then uppercut you into oblivion....can't duck bodyshots.
Prime Ali Chin > Prime Holyfield Chin
Ali would push the fight past the 6th round on Tyson. Tyson wasn't the same fighter in the 2nd half of fights, not matter the version.
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do you think he saw these punches coming like slow motion
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YES
Amazing isn't it.
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Amazing isn't it.
Not different than a baseball player hitting a 95 mph fastball, years and years of training /practice.
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Why in the fuck that dude didn't work the body , Ali didn't even counter ??? , BTW holding the ropes is illegal .
Ali would have beaten you senseless in one round. :D
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Utter "Muhammed Ali" around my grandfather and be prepared to get lectured about that coward ass draft dodging piece of shit Cacsius clay, and never to mention ali around him again. (My grandfather is a veteran of WWII, korea and Vietnam, and he volunteered at 17..) he has no love for Ali. He hates him with a violent passion for bitching out on his duty as an American citizen.
Your grandfather and my dad are cut from the same stone, a Vietnam Vet who hated the draft dodging, muslim convert and self proclaimed baddest man in the world.
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Tyson wasn't the same fighter in the 2nd half of fights, not matter the version.
agreed
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Body shot of peace. ::)
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Ali would have beaten you senseless in one round. :D
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I would never hit an old man with Parkinson's disease .
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Among boxing fans it's always ''cooler'' to favor boxers from the black and white era over modern day champs in a fictive bout (jack dempsey and such).
However Ali deserves all the praise.
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Good thing we have boxing ''experts" to enlighten us ::)
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The best reflexes of any boxer, any weight, any era was Herol "Bomber" Graham. Best fighter to never be world champ, unfortunately had a glass jaw so when he did get hit he went to sleep.
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The best reflexes of any boxer, any weight, any era was Herol "Bomber" Graham.
What ? no even close bro .
Floyd hands down, Locche close second ................... then Whitaker , Roy Jones , Ali ,Leonard , Marquez ................
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The best reflexes of any boxer, any weight, any era was Herol "Bomber" Graham. Best fighter to never be world champ, unfortunately had a glass jaw so when he did get hit he went to sleep.
::) another British bum
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ali broke liston mentally before they fought
liston was a load stronger than tyson mentally
mike wouldn't have come out for the fight
best defensive boxer was creed. although like many he went on too long.
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The best reflexes of any boxer, any weight, any era was Herol "Bomber" Graham. Best fighter to never be world champ, unfortunately had a glass jaw so when he did get hit he went to sleep.
Watch this
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That's nothing. He beat Liston with a missed punch.
Although technically Ali is a better boxer, I think Tyson would maul Ali and put him away.
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Why are people saying ali is faster then tyson, tyson's hand speed for a heavyweight was second to none, his defense is perhaps some of the best in history. He threw with power and speed and he worked inside and with lunging hooks.
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ill be the one to ask...do you think he saw these punches coming like slow motion (remember the movie Wanted)
or was he just wiggling around like a crazy man and the dark dude just sucked
If you look at the slow motion, it seems as the dude is throwing the same combo of punches. So Ali could have figured out the order. And him being quick helped as well.
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He could do more than that with as fast as he shakes now
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One Bodyshot from Tyson and Ali would have crumbled
He can jiggle his hips as much as he wants to as he systematically would get pulverized by Iron Mike
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Someone should have measured Ali's midochlorian count. Holy smokes.
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I just googled that
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I just googled that
;D
Then may the force be with you.
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I doubt it. A few body shots from a prime Tyson would have Ali questioning his will to continue.
Are you serious? Mike Tyson was a hard puncher no doubt. But let's get real here, Ali fought several of the hardest hitters in history and won and lost. Think Joe Frazer, George Foreman, Ken Norton. All these men through very powerful blows to Ali and he survived. Tyson was not boxing histories greatest fighter....just the most overrated.
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Your grandfather and my dad are cut from the same stone, a Vietnam Vet who hated the draft dodging, muslim convert and self proclaimed baddest man in the world.
If I where a black man in those days and could pull it off I too would not fight and die for a country that would not treat me as an equal person. I say good for Ali, plus that war was fought by politicians that would not let the military do it's job. Nothing was accomplished there, pure bullying waste of lives and money.
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Off topic,
@Eric2, to your avi, John Wayne telling Liberty he was going to pick up his steak was a good scene. Had to watch it on YT a few times.
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If I where a black man in those days and could pull it off I too would not fight and die for a country that would not treat me as an equal person. I say good for Ali, plus that war was fought by politicians that would not let the military do it's job. Nothing was accomplished there, pure bullying waste of lives and money.
doesnt make him any less of a coward for ducking out by 'finding religion' while his brothers, sisters, and fellow Americans were out there doing their part fighting and dying.... the politics were irrelevant. .. citizens got called to do their duty, and they went, and many never returned home. Except him, he thought he was somehow special and wasnr responsible to do his part as a citizen when his number came up.
Imho he should have lost his citizenship and been deported.
He never would have even set foot in nam, they would have had him boxing in the Army or Marines.
dude may have been the best boxer in history but he was a piece of shit as a person and a coward imho.
/grandpa shockwave rant
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doesnt make him any less of a coward for ducking out by 'finding religion' while his brothers, sisters, and fellow Americans were out there doing their part fighting and dying.... the politics were irrelevant. .. citizens got called to do their duty, and they went, and many never returned home. Except him, he thought he was somehow special and wasnr responsible to do his part as a citizen when his number came up.
Imho he should have lost his citizenship and been deported.
He never would have even set foot in nam, they would have had him boxing in the Army or Marines.
dude may have been the best boxer in history but he was a piece of shit as a person and a coward imho.
/grandpa shockwave rant
We can agree to disagree. Walk a mile in a black man's shoes who had to live through the crap they did before you can judge a man's character. Who are you to say he is a coward? How many leaders in our country where gifted special treatment so they could avoid real combat while the lower class white men and black man died for us? I believe in service to this country, I believe in a fight to the death if it's a good one. Let's face it the Vietnam war was not a fight worth dying for once the direction of it was known. We have but one life on this earth why die for some bullshit war have your name on a marker?
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Off topic,
@Eric2, to your avi, John Wayne telling Liberty he was going to pick up his steak was a good scene. Had to watch it on YT a few times.
Yep great movie I should watch this weekend.
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prime Ali v prime Tyson.....most everyone gives it to Ali easy........I don't think so.
All the Ali shucken and jiven wouldn't work on Tyson. He'd smash your gut with 2 shots and then uppercut you into oblivion....can't duck bodyshots.
So the rumble in the jungle was fake. 8 rounds with the strongest boxer in this universe at that time, hundreds of body shots, and Ali win by knockout. There was many average boxers who take full rounds with Tyson, so why Ali would be weaker than those? I don't think so. Maybe some day we are able to see simulations where we can compare boxers etc. from different era to each other. That would be not only fun, but quite possible.
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Why should Ali fight for a country that treated he and his kin like shit? Fuck em
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We can agree to disagree. Walk a mile in a black man's shoes who had to live through the crap they did before you can judge a man's character. Who are you to say he is a coward? How many leaders in our country where gifted special treatment so they could avoid real combat while the lower class white men and black man died for us? I believe in service to this country, I believe in a fight to the death if it's a good one. Let's face it the Vietnam war was not a fight worth dying for once the direction of it was known. We have but one life on this earth why die for some bullshit war have your name on a marker?
I think Ali was incredibly brave for the stand he took regarding Vietnam, he stood up for what he believed in and was robbed of 3 1/2 of his best years in the ring.
Ali said in an interview, "I had just come back from winning a gold medal for America in the Olympics, I'm walking around my home town with my medal around my neck and go in to a diner for a burger, I order and the waitress says to me "sorry, we don't serve Negros" Ali replied "well I don't eat them"
Ali said he could whoop any man from Russia, Cuba, wherever, he's an Olympic Champion and he can not even get a burger in his hometown, legend has it that after that incident he took his gold medal and through it into the river, not sure if true.
Ali is not a coward, he is a man of principle, integrity and honor.
Honestly, I'm surprised he never got assassinated for defying the American Government, that takes balls that clang.
Regards.
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doesnt make him any less of a coward for ducking out by 'finding religion' while his brothers, sisters, and fellow Americans were out there doing their part fighting and dying.... the politics were irrelevant. .. citizens got called to do their duty, and they went, and many never returned home. Except him, he thought he was somehow special and wasnr responsible to do his part as a citizen when his number came up.
Imho he should have lost his citizenship and been deported.
He never would have even set foot in nam, they would have had him boxing in the Army or Marines.
dude may have been the best boxer in history but he was a piece of shit as a person and a coward imho.
/grandpa shockwave rant
You're an idiot. :D
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I doubt it. A few body shots from a prime Tyson would have Ali questioning his will to continue.
And a few ear bites
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::) another British bum
There is absolutely no way you know anything about Bomber without googling his fight record on Boxrec. Now keep quiet whilst the adults are talking, you must have made 500 posts referencing or questioning someone's ability "in da cage" and wonder why nobody can take you seriously.
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Some absolutely amazing fighters listed, and Locche was certainly unbelievable at taking the piss out of you. But its just my opinion about Bomber. Nigel Benn refused to fight him, Chris Eubank refused to fight - infact they sparred together for 2 weeks solid i believe and Eubank stated he landed only 1 punch on him. The best "nearly" fighter ive ever seen, was beaten by bad luck rather than his opponents ability on the world stage especially the way he took Julian Jackson apart. I guess that fight more than anything exemplifies his career.
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Tyson was the best
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doesnt make him any less of a coward for ducking out by 'finding religion' while his brothers, sisters, and fellow Americans were out there doing their part fighting and dying.... the politics were irrelevant. .. citizens got called to do their duty, and they went, and many never returned home. Except him, he thought he was somehow special and wasnr responsible to do his part as a citizen when his number came up.
Imho he should have lost his citizenship and been deported.
He never would have even set foot in nam, they would have had him boxing in the Army or Marines.
dude may have been the best boxer in history but he was a piece of shit as a person and a coward imho.
/grandpa shockwave rant
The thing is though, Ali was ready to go to jail and was fine with the punishment if that was what was to be decided.
I personally don`t think the government should have that much control over someones life. Neither did Jefferson, Washington, Franklin or any of the founders. They would be abhorred to learn about a military draft.
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Thomas Jefferson on the Draft as "the last of all oppressions" (1777)
Even when the revolutionary war was not going well for the colonists, Thomas Jefferson (1743-1826) reminded John Adams in a letter that the colonists would not stand for military conscription or the draft under any circumstances regarding it as "the last of all oppressions":
"Our battalions for the continental service were some time ago so far filled as rendered the recommendation of a draught from the militia hardly requisite, and the more so as in this country it ever was the most unpopular and impracticable thing that could be attempted. Our people, even under the monarchical government, had learnt to consider it as the last of all oppressions."
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Daniel Webster, former American Senator
“Is this, sir, consistent with the character of a free government? Is this civil liberty? Is this the real character of our Constitution? No, sir, indeed it is not…. Where is it written in the Constitution, in what article or section is it contained, that you may take children from their parents, and parents from their children, and compel them to fight the battles of any war, in which the folly or the wickedness of government may engage it? Under what concealment has this power lain hidden, which now for the first time comes forth, with a tremendous and baleful aspect, to trample down and destroy the dearest rights of personal liberty?”
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Ronald Reagan, former Republican U.S. President
“[An involuntary military draft] rests on the assumption that your kids belong to the state. If we buy that assumption then it is for the state—not for parents, the community, the religious institutions or teachers—to decide who shall have what values and who shall do what work, when, where and how in our society. That assumption isn’t a new one. The Nazis thought it was a great idea.”
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Ron Paul, U.S. Congressman
“Justifying conscription to promote the cause of liberty is one of the most bizarre notions ever conceived by man! Forced servitude, with the risk of death and serious injury as a price to live free, makes no sense.”
“[The] draft violates the very principles of individual liberty upon which our nation was founded… All drafts hit the most vulnerable young people, as the elites learn quickly how to avoid the risks of combat… The draft encourages wars with neither purpose nor moral justification, wars that too often are not even declared by the Congress.”
“Mr. Speaker, the most important reason to oppose reinstatement of a military draft is that conscription violates the very principles upon which this country was founded. The basic premise underlying conscription is that the individual belongs to the state, individual rights are granted by the state, and therefore politicians can abridge individual rights at will. In contrast, the philosophy which inspired America’s founders, expressed in the Declaration of Independence, is that individuals possess natural, God-given rights which cannot be abridged by the government. Forcing people into military service against their will thus directly contradicts the philosophy of the Founding Fathers. A military draft also appears to contradict the constitutional prohibition of involuntary servitude.”
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Clearly you all missed the '/grandpa shockwave rant' at the end there. Those arent my words. Those are his words, paraphrased, of course.
I personally dont know enough about the man to form an opinion and I domt particularly give a shit, I have do howevwe feel he shirked his duty while his fellow black brothers went and performed their duty and died. In my incredibly limited knowledge on the issue id put him witb the wealthy sons of politicians; and others who used their power and influence to dodge the draft.
As far as the draft goes, I agree with you TA, I think its wrong and an abuse of government power, and from a purely militarily standpoints, id take a small group of highly motivated volunteer s over a bunch of conscripts anyday. You want people next to you that want to be there, not guys that are going to gurn tail and run to save their own skin.
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Clearly you all missed the '/grandpa shockwave rant' at the end there. Those arent my words. Those are his
Paraphrased, of course.
I personally dont know enough about the man to form an opinion and I domt particularly give a shit, I have do howevwe feel he shirked his duty while his fellow black brothers went and performed their duty and died. In my incredibly limited knowledge on the issue id put him witb the wealthy sons of politicians; and others who used their power and influence to dodge the draft.
Military Drafts are the very definition of an overzealous government. I am afraid I cannot support it at all. :-\
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Military Drafts are the very definition of an overzealous government. I am afraid I cannot support it at all. :-\
reread my lost, I was editing it while you were posting evidently.
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reread my lost, I was editing it while you were posting evidently.
Yep!
I figured you didn`t support that kind of government intrusion on liberty.
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for those that claim that ali couldnt handle tyson you guys forget that ali took shots flush from the hardest puncher in history
(http://www.posters.ws/images/837130/earnie_shavers_posed_photofile.jpg)
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Ronald Reagan, former Republican U.S. President
“[An involuntary military draft] rests on the assumption that your kids belong to the state. If we buy that assumption then it is for the state—not for parents, the community, the religious institutions or teachers—to decide who shall have what values and who shall do what work, when, where and how in our society. That assumption isn’t a new one. The Nazis thought it was a great idea.”
Great quotes from Reagan and Jefferson. I really do believe the government is lead by a select few that we never see. The real power is the dollar and from which it comes. Governments are lead by by the corrupt elitist who dup the masses with false flags to enrage them into battle. Things need to change in America, unless we are truly attacked on our own soil and not that of a corporate interest then we should not allow our men and women to die endlessly for some fat cat group. Our military is spread all over the world to suit only one interest...........follo w the money trail, it has nothing to do with saving other people from oppression. That's only the disguise for war.
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for those that claim that ali couldnt handle tyson you guys forget that ali took shots flush from the hardest puncher in history
(http://www.posters.ws/images/837130/earnie_shavers_posed_photofile.jpg)
If Ali could take shots from Earnie Shavers, he could take shots from Tyson. I think what gets lost in Ali discussions is how big he was, his reach, and his speed & agility for a guy 6-3" and about 225-230 lbs.
If Ali survived a prime George Foreman, he would beat Tyson up in the later rounds of a fight between the two of them in their prime.
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heres what shavers had to say about tyson in 2001
"Mike Tyson? He doesn't like it too much when he has somebody coming back at him and you bet I'd be coming back. I admire Lennox and the way he has kept his friends around him but Mike is with the wrong people. Perhaps I earned a million dollars but money never changed me. Mike's different, not a bad guy but, when the fight game's over, he won't make a dime, he'll slowly bury himself."
he was right.
he also worked on the door of yates wine lodge in Liverpool- then Hannahs bar which is owned by John Conteh's brother- former light heavyweight world champion. he doesn't work there anymore but it was a very quiet door when he worked there- he spent more time doing autographs and photos than ejecting anyone. strange that!
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He was an arrogant, retarded, loudmouth...
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Because Ali didn't go to Vietnam, somebody else had to go and possibly die.
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He was an arrogant, retarded, loudmouth...
This. Pile of turds.
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He learn how to dodge by not going to the military when drafted.
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He learn how to dodge by not going to the military when drafted.
Boom. ;D
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Larry Holmes would have still beaten him prime-for-prime.
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At 3:57 . . . the most amazing flurry of punches in the history of the game.
THE BEEF
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prime Ali v prime Tyson.....most everyone gives it to Ali easy........I don't think so.
All the Ali shucken and jiven wouldn't work on Tyson. He'd smash your gut with 2 shots and then uppercut you into oblivion....can't duck bodyshots.
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If Ali could take shots from Earnie Shavers, he could take shots from Tyson. I think what gets lost in Ali discussions is how big he was, his reach, and his speed & agility for a guy 6-3" and about 225-230 lbs.
If Ali survived a prime George Foreman, he would beat Tyson up in the later rounds of a fight between the two of them in their prime.
yeah Tyson could have issues more so with Alis movement more than anything else as in the night he fought Cleveland Williams, however he lies on the ropes as he done with Frazier and Foreman, That sort of Strategy against a 1986-88 Tyson would be a real bad idea the thing that seperates Tyson from guys with huge punching power was the Rapid Combinations he would put together....@ Once, and theres the kicker imo...he never just threw 1 punch @ a time like he did post 1995, if the right hand missed...the elbow was there, the body shots near always followed bye.... uppercuts...and then hooks to the head...both sides... and FAST...etc etc etc
George, Shavers, Williams etc had Huge power...one shot...@ a Time, and only Williams @ his best (long before he faced Ali) had a good defence, Both Foreman and Shavers were easy too hit...as in they would just stand in front...and Bomb away, Ali Moves, shows the Angles, lightning fast hands, ties up Tyson on the inside (fast no mucking around) like on the night he fought Williams...yeah could see him winning taking Tyson into the later rounds and Drowning him both Mentally and physically
Imo... i think Ali wouldn't have beaten a 1980s Tyson... after 1970...the 1960s version of Ali against a Prime Tyson would be the one, his Lateral movement from side too side, combinations @ speed, footwork, hand-speed and the fact he rarely got HIT would be a very very Difficult Night for Tyson, a older 1970s version of Ali while unquestionably Mentally tougher and Mature lacked the speed, Lateral movement, footwork, CONSTANT dancing etc of the 60s...lie on the ropes and try that Rope a dope nonsense with a Young, hungry, Undefeated, 86-88 Tyson...imo he would beat Ali.... and beat him in Devastating style.
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Ali dodged 21 punches and Mighty Mike Quinn couldn't dodge 1
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Yeah, I am not old enough to have witnessed a prime Ali, but I saw Tyson from the beginning. I just have a hard time imagining anyone being able to withstand the fury that fucker unleashed in his prime. If he connects, you're going down, no matter what era we're talking.
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A few things would have happened in a Tyson - Ali fight:
Ali never would have stood still
Ali would never touch the ropes
Tyson would be eating jabs all night
Ali wins rather easily
Watch Tyson against Mitch Green or Bonecrusher Smith, pretty close to a prime Tyson. How many rounds did an over the hill Holmes go with Tyson?
Then watch Ali against anyone before he was suspended, not when he came back.
I am a Tyson fan but please not against Ali, no way he wins.
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Ali would have killed Tyson, and I`m a big Tyson fan, but Ali had skills that Tyson never encountered before,and he also had power believe it or not.
Early Mike Tyson fights looked impressive because of the super fast knockouts,but his opponents were tomato cans.
Ali fought all the best boxers of his era,some multiple times and did pretty good I`d say.
Todays heavyweights,and the heavyweights in Mikes era suck by comparison to the heavyweights in Alis era.............they were probably the best collection heavyweights in any one era.
All are now legends,the only guys considered boxing legends Mike fought would be Holyfield IMO,and an old past his prime Larry Holmes.
Tyson fought bums compared to who Ali fought.
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Ali would definitely have gotten in Tysons head, Tyson would have been a tough fight I think, he is a bigger Joe Frazier / Norton hybrid in my opinion. Ali survived Foreman though... Tyson and Foreman were different fighters too- I think big George wrecks Tyson early, bad style match up for Iron Mike... Holmes in his prime puts Mike away too
Ali had it all, confidence,speed,granite chin,heart of a lion, size, great mind- he was truly a once in a life time fighter
great quote
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Fantasy matchups are retarded , but didn't Frazier beat Ali ?
Tyson was Frazier on steroids ,bigger , stronger ,faster ,more aggressive and better technically . BTW Tyson career ended when he went to jail.
If you can't see the difference :-X
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Ali would have killed Tyson, and I`m a big Tyson fan, but Ali had skills that Tyson never encountered before,and he also had power believe it or not.
Early Mike Tyson fights looked impressive because of the super fast knockouts,but his opponents were tomato cans.
Ali fought all the best boxers of his era,some multiple times and did pretty good I`d say.
Todays heavyweights,and the heavyweights in Mikes era suck by comparison to the heavyweights in Alis era.............they were probably the best collection heavyweights in any one era.
All are now legends,the only guys considered boxing legends Mike fought would be Holyfield IMO,and an old past his prime Larry Holmes.
Tyson fought bums compared to who Ali fought.
Well put. I can remember well watching Ali Fight back in the day, and not only admiring the great skill of Ali but that of his opponents. I could not say the same about the guys Tyson fought. Truth be known Tyson was the most predictable fighter to watch and the fights became boring due to the lack of legitimate fighters he fought. The machine that Don King was for circus boxing played well. Everyone wanted to see Iron Mike Tyson knock another bum out in short order did not matter who but to get the early knock out it better be a guy who can't stand up to him.
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I doubt it. A few body shots from a prime Tyson would have Ali questioning his will to continue.
This...
People need to revisit Tyson's matches from 1985-1988. He was a machine.
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Not even a comparison, Ali would lose to Tyson because Tyson was the new era; chemically enhanced atlete. Anyone that watches tape of both fighting and doesn't realize that is brain dead...that dude was cheque dropped/halo'd out of his skull
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hahaaha tyso woud send ali flying straight out of the ring.
lol.
even frazer almost did, the only thing keeping ali in the ring was the ropes.he wouldve flown to the next street block if it wasnt for them.
no comeon, this is like saying arnold would do weel on the mr o stage today,haha, sure.
a couple body shots from tyson and ali would be vomiting out his guts and internal organs.
haha, ali.
hahhahaha ,henry cooper is hillarious ;D
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Iron Mike Tyson would send Ali flying out of the ring, why is this even a discussion?
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Good thing we have boxing ''experts" to enlighten us ::)
lol
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Fantasy matchups are retarded , but didn't Frazier beat Ali ?
Tyson was Frazier on steroids ,bigger , stronger ,faster ,more aggressive and better technically . BTW Tyson career ended when he went to jail.
If you can't see the difference :-X
I love how everyone chooses to ignore this post. ::)
Everything mentioned above is truth.
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hahaaha tyso woud send ali flying straight out of the ring.
lol.
even frazer almost did, the only thing keeping ali in the ring was the ropes.he wouldve flown to the next street block if it wasnt for them.
no comeon, this is like saying arnold would do weel on the mr o stage today,haha, sure.
a couple body shots from tyson and ali would be vomiting out his guts and internal organs.
haha, ali.
hahhahaha ,henry cooper is hillarious ;D
Ali beat Cooper twice rather easily,,knocked down yes,,but, won both.
He fought Frazier way after his prime and with little rest after fighting 15 rounds with Bonavena, Ali also beat Frazier two out of three.
Tyson -Frazier would have been a great fight, remember Tyson is a bully and Frazier was a "philly" fighter very tough, not easy for either but I could see Tyson looking for a way out.
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People forget Cooper just about knocked him out and Ali's corner saved him by prolonging the rest period between rounds. Dundee sabotaged his glove to buy time and gave him smelling salts.
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People forget Cooper just about knocked him out and Ali's corner saved him by prolonging the rest period between rounds. Dundee sabotaged his glove to buy time and gave him smelling salts.
Very true, but, Ali got up from that punch. Dundee did mess with the glove to increase the rest, but Ali would have and could have come out for the next round with the normal rest. All speculation on our part but the reality is look at who Ali beat and look at Tyson's list.
They both lost 3 yrs of their careers, look who Ali beat after his exile and look at who Tyson beat after hos, no comparison.
Then more importantly look who they beat before their exiles and for the titles, Ali/Liston Tyson/Berbick, really????
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Ironically Ali came round and was better for it, went on to absolutely dominate the fight. But would he have recovered enough in regulation time to dominate in that fashion? its all speculation, hes called the best for a reason.
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doesnt make him any less of a coward for ducking out by 'finding religion' while his brothers, sisters, and fellow Americans were out there doing their part fighting and dying.... the politics were irrelevant. .. citizens got called to do their duty, and they went, and many never returned home. Except him, he thought he was somehow special and wasnr responsible to do his part as a citizen when his number came up.
Imho he should have lost his citizenship and been deported.
He never would have even set foot in nam, they would have had him boxing in the Army or Marines.
dude may have been the best boxer in history but he was a piece of shit as a person and a coward imho.
/grandpa shockwave rant
blind honour.
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Utter "Muhammed Ali" around my grandfather and be prepared to get lectured about that coward ass draft dodging piece of shit Cacsius clay, and never to mention ali around him again. (My grandfather is a veteran of WWII, korea and Vietnam, and he volunteered at 17..) he has no love for Ali. He hates him with a violent passion for bitching out on his duty as an American citizen.
I totally understand your grandfathers position on this. My Grandfather was in WWII my father did 3 tours in Nam and my Brother is on his 19th year of service.
My angle is this. Many Black men went off to war faught bravely and died and came back to be hanged by the people they protected...IN THEIR DRESS BLUES...by people that didnt fight. And Ali understood that.. He understood that he could go off to war get his ass blowed off and still have to sit in the colored section of a restaurant and be called BOY by men younger than him that never served simply because of the color of his skin...These are all facts, and actual scenarios that have happened to vets coming home from fighting. So thought he might have been wrong in your eyes. There is something to be said about a man that comes to Self-actualization and says "hey why should i risk my life for a country that that says i aint good for shit but dying in a war"
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The government should NOT have the final say so in your life and what wars you should be FORCED to fight.
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Now about this Ali Tyson shit...
Lennox Lewis' dimensions were comparable to Alis in terms of reach with emphasis on that left Jab.
Lennox was able to keep Tyson at bay. A prime Ali would have been able to beat a prime pit bull Tyson by moving and keeping tyson away with that long jab. And remember Ali could put a right cross behind that quick ass jab as well.
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Ali would have erased Tyson
Like nobody ever thought to work Alis body...LOLOL.
Dude was impervious to pain...it was unreal
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Lennox Lewis' dimensions were comparable to Alis
Not even close
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Not even close
In terms of hight and reach. Vs Tyson they both had 10" reach advantage over Tyson. They were both tall heavyweights.
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In terms of hight and reach. Vs Tyson they both had 10" reach advantage over Tyson. They were both tall heavyweights.
Not even close
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Not even close
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;D
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not even close
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Top 3 Heavyweights of the past 80 years or so.
Ali, Louis and Lewis.
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Top 3 Heavyweights of the past 80 years or so.
Ali, Louis and Lewis.
Not even close
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Rocky Marciano was the greatest Heavyweight in the past 80 years.
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Not even close
go ahead, post your list of mexican flyweights who are superior ::)
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Top 3 Heavyweights of the past 80 years or so.
Ali, Louis and Lewis.
Joe Louis getting knocked out by Marciano. :D
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Rocky Marciano was the greatest Heavyweight in the past 80 years.
Ha. There's a great scene in Coming to America about this.
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Joe Louis getting knocked out by Marciano. :D
That was a great shot no doubt about it.
I had Marciano right on the outside of my top 3.
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My grandfathers best friend in New York was Jack Dempsey. He would fly down and do all kinds of promotional events from him. I have many pictures and telegrams and other memorabilia from Dempsey. I would have to rank Jack Dempsey as one of the greatest of all time as well.
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My grandfathers best friend in New York was Jack Dempsey. He would fly down and do all kinds of promotional events from him. I have many pictures and telegrams and other memorabilia from Dempsey. I would have to rank Jack Dempsey as one of the greatest of all time as well.
Dempsey and Ruth were like Gods back in the 20s.
Marciano, Dempsey, Tunney, Holmes, Foreman for the 2nd tier and THEN you start talking about the Fraziers, Tyson's, Klitchkos, Liston in that 3rd tier
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Dempsey and Ruth were like Gods back in the 20s.
Marciano, Dempsey, Tunney, Holmes, Foreman for the 2nd tier and THEN you start talking about the Fraziers, Tyson's, Klitchkos, Liston in that 3rd tier
Holmes, though, really? Man, his fights were boring. Did he face legit HWs like Ali did?
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Holmes, though, really? Man, his fights were boring. Did he face legit HWs like Ali did?
Bro he went something like 48 and 0 in one stretch.
Helluva streak.
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Bro he went something like 48 and 0 in one stretch.
Helluva streak.
I know, he was the man of my time. But wasn't he just competing in a weak era? I can't imagine a prime Ali having any trouble with Larry.
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I know, he was the man of my time. But wasn't he just competing in a weak era? I can't imagine a prime Ali having any trouble with Larry.
Ali handles him fairly easily.
Tier 1 - Ali, Louis, Lewis
Tier 2 - Marciano, Dempsey, Tunney, Holmes, Foreman
Tier 3 you start getting into the Fraziers, Tyson's, Klitchskos, Listons, Holyfields
With a special shoutout to the old timey fighters like John L Sullivan, James Jeffries and Jack Johnson
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Ali handles him fairly easily.
Tier 1 - Ali, Louis, Lewis
Tier 2 - Marciano, Dempsey, Tunney, Holmes, Foreman
Tier 3 you start getting into the Fraziers, Tyson's, Klitchskos, Listons, Holyfields
With a special shoutout to the old timey fighters like John L Sullivan, James Jeffries and Jack Johnson
Not sure about Tyson being in that 3rd tier. The man was a devastating puncher.
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Dempsey was great but he was not as good as Gene Tunney - who beat him twice. Tunney in turn lost to Harry Greb (his only defeat which he avenged) and whilst its not boxing math id rate Greb higher than most.
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Ali handles him fairly easily.
Tier 1 - Ali, Louis, Lewis
Tier 2 - Marciano, Dempsey, Tunney, Holmes, Foreman
Tier 3 you start getting into the Fraziers, Tyson's, Klitchskos, Listons, Holyfields
With a special shoutout to the old timey fighters like John L Sullivan, James Jeffries and Jack Johnson
are u on crack? lol
Tier 1 Ali, Holmes, Foreman, tysn, liston
tier 2 Joelouis, lewis holyfield
tier 3
marciano- rocky is the most overrated boxer of all time- barely beat a light heavywieght ezzard charles and was getting killed by old , past it j+ archie mooreoe walcott before lucky punch wins it
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Dempsey was great but he was not as good as Gene Tunney - who beat him twice. Tunney in turn lost to Harry Greb (his only defeat which he avenged) and whilst its not boxing math id rate Greb higher than most.
I agree.
Tunney had a ridiculous career. I think maybe 1 loss overall.
Tunney vs Dempsey was the first million dollar gate with over 100 thousand in attendance and from most accounts I have read, Dempsey legitimately would have knocked out Tunney if he only had the common sense to get to a neutral corner so the ref could start counting!
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Every time someone dominates in boxing , it's because they are facing weaker competition.
Tyson
Holmes
Mayweather
Roy Jones
Klitschko
J C Chavez ........................ ........................ ..etc
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are u on crack? lol
Tier 1 Ali, Holmes, Foreman, tysn, liston
tier 2 Joelouis, lewis holyfield
tier 3
marciano- rocky is the most overrated boxer of all time- barely beat a light heavywieght ezzard charles and was getting killed by old , past it j+ archie mooreoe walcott before lucky punch wins it
Shoulda, woulda, coulda, the man went 49 and 0 and finished his fights when he needed to.
We can speculate all day long but unfortunately for Rocks opponents...Whatever he hit, he broke.
All that matters is that W in the end
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Every time someone dominates in boxing , it's because they are facing weaker competition.
Tyson
Holmes
Mayweather
Roy Jones
Klitschko
J C Chavez ........................ ........................ ..etc
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This
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Holmes is always underrated, he would have beaten ANYBODY Ali beat with the possible exception of Foreman in my opinion. Holmes had a great jab, solid right, good chin, great heart .... he could have given Ali a long night. The Ali that was pre-Vietnam crap probably had too much movement for Holmes and he would FIND a way to win, Ali was truly unique
Ali I think would have lost to other fighters of eras before and after his, styles make fights and some great fighters were a bad match up for Ali
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Anyone claiming that tyson in the 80s is not superior than every other heavyweight boxer before that time is some nostalgic, bert sugar-esk, "older is always better" retard. Hormonized Tyson was on another level completely. You'll never hear any boxing expert say it because they're emotionally invested in Ali for various reasons and because they know he was on lots of goodies and hold it against him. Hormonized Tyson in the late 80s was a SUPREME BEING. There's a reason we're still talking about him to this day.
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Many people think tyson was brute force. Not quite so. I would suggest to look at his footwork and defense. He MADE IT look easy but he was technically very sound not counting speed and power.
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Many people think tyson was brute force. Not quite so. I would suggest to look at his footwork and defense. He MADE IT look easy but he was technically very sound not counting speed and power.
Like I said, supreme being. You take a guy that was truly a top of the line heavyweight boxer, get his hormone regiment right and you get something out of this world. The guy was just obliterating top 10 heavyweights making them look like cans. All the "experts" attribute it to a "weak heavyweight division" ::) as if there's a precedent to just walking through the heavyweight division like he did...
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Tyson was the best
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Larry Holmes was on Ringside tv in the UK this week showing what a jerk he still is when he claimed the likes of Gerry Cooney would have destroyed Tyson ahahahaha stupid old fuck
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are u on crack? lol
Tier 1 Ali, Holmes, Foreman, tysn, liston
tier 2 Joelouis, lewis holyfield
tier 3
marciano- rocky is the most overrated boxer of all time- barely beat a light heavywieght ezzard charles and was getting killed by old , past it j+ archie mooreoe walcott before lucky punch wins it
You left out Frazier!
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As much as I like Ali, I don't think it would be an easy night for him, prime Tyson had devastating combinations, outstanding head movement and Defense, under rated jab, he could cut off the ring, very fast hands with KO power in each one and was aggressive as hell, he really could do everything well, he made Top 10 fighters look like bums, Tyson dosen't match up well for Ali.
Prime Ali had everything going for him but I don't think his chin was as good as when he came out of exile in the 70's, he was floored by 185 lbs Henry Cooper and Dundee sensing Ali was in real trouble pulled some stuffing out of a small split in one of his gloves, Dundee ordered a fresh pair of gloves be sent from the dressing room thus buying Ali an additional 1-2 minutes, for a top fighter in shape that could be the difference between victory and defeat, I'm not saying Ali wouldn't have beaten Cooper if he had only the 60 seconds but you never know...
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Henry Cooper! My LORDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD what a beast!
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