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By David Edwards
Sunday, January 5, 2014 10:09 EST
Fox News host Mike Huckabee on Saturday warned that a California girl who was declared brain dead after tonsil surgery last month could lead to situations like Nazi death camps and forced abortions in China if the hospital took her off life support.
The former Arkansas governor and ordained pastor began his Fox News show by admitting that he did not have the medical experience necessary to understand 13-year-old Jahi McMath’s condition but he encouraged her family to fight against any attempts to remove her from life support even though doctors said she technically “died several weeks ago.”
“Every life has value and worth,” Huckabee told his viewers on Saturday. “There is no such person who is disposable, one whose life has been deemed by others to be less than others and therefore expendable, I can’t share that.”
He continued: “The road that starts that way in deciding that some lives have less value and are unworthy of protection, that leads to a culture that tolerates the undeserved killing of over 55 million unborn children in this country. It leads to China’s birth policy that limits the number of children for a family and enforces forced abortion if they deviate from the state-determined ideal.”
“It’s also that culture that allowed the Nazis to to hideously justify the savage slaughter of millions of Jews, disabled people, old people and those with mental illness,” Huckabee said. “Let’s hope and pray that the courts continue to do what every court should do, respect parents over government, family over hospitals and, above all, protect Jahi from them all.”
Watch this video from Fox News’ Huckabee, broadcast Jan. 4, 2013.
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/01/05/mike-huckabee-links-brain-dead-california-girl-to-nazi-death-camps-forced-abortions/
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why is it we have Repubs making stupid statements like this yet never having to apologize yet when Dems say stupid shit they constantly have to apologize
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why is it we have Repubs making stupid statements like this yet never having to apologize yet when Dems say stupid shit they constantly have to apologize
Yeah, i'm trying to find the part where what he said was offensive to the child.
404 - outrage not found.
Everybody knows fuckabee by now. Hes pro life. He believes she shouldn't be taken off life support willy nilly. If you're offended by that, that's on you.
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Huckabee is an idiot who will soon be fired from FOX for being liberal.
Doesnt he know that a brain-dead girl will cost a lot of welfare? That is paid with taxes?
Is the man not a conservative?
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Mike Huckabee Explains How Taking Dead Girl Off Life Support Is Like Forced Abortions In Auschwitz
By now you probably know the sad, awful story of Jahi McMath, the Oakland, California 13-year-old who suffered complications after a complex tonsillectomy, leaving her brain-dead. Her family, however, refuses to accept that “no blood flow to the brain” and “no electrical activity in the brain or brain stem” are the same as “really, actually dead.” So since December 12, they have kept her body alive, on a ventilator, and hope to move her to a long-term care facility where machines will continue to make her heart pump and her lungs breathe, even though brain death is final and irreversible — this is not a persistent vegetative state like that of Terri Schiavo; this is just plain death. And so, of course, potential 2016 Republican candidate Mike Huckabee thinks Jahi’s body should be kept hooked up to a machine, because he is so very pro-life that he believes that brain-dead people can get better (they can’t). It’s sort of reassuring to know that, no matter how tragic a situation might be, there’s always the chance that a rightwing politician will find a way to jump in and make it even worse.
On his January 4 Fox teevee show, Huck admitted he’s not a doctor and doesn’t have the medical expertise to understand Jahi’s condition, or even to read about brain death, apparently. But hey, that’s no reason not to have a very strong opinion on why a dead girl’s body should be kept on a ventilator, because, duh, didn’t you hear he’s pro-life?
“Every life has value and worth,” Huckabee told his viewers on Saturday. “There is no such person who is disposable, one whose life has been deemed by others to be less than others and therefore expendable, I can’t share that.” And indeed, that precious right to life apparently now extends to those who are actually dead. And what’s more, said Huckabee, once we start treating the dead as if they are not valuable living people, all sorts of horrors could result:
“The road that starts that way in deciding that some lives have less value and are unworthy of protection, that leads to a culture that tolerates the undeserved killing of over 55 million unborn children in this country. It leads to China’s birth policy that limits the number of children for a family and enforces forced abortion if they deviate from the state-determined ideal.”
Um. A brain-dead person is not merely deviating from some state-determined ideal, Huck. That person is seriously deviating from being alive. And then, of course, it’s time to drag Hitler into it, because unlike people, metaphors never die:
“It’s also that culture that allowed the Nazis to hideously justify the savage slaughter of millions of Jews, disabled people, old people and those with mental illness,” Huckabee said. “Let’s hope and pray that the courts continue to do what every court should do, respect parents over government, family over hospitals and, above all, protect Jahi from them all.”
Yr Wonkette would like to point out a rather key distinction between the victims of the Nazis and Jahi McMath: they were alive, and she is not. We’re willing to grant some sympathy to Jahi’s family, who at least have the excuse that they’ve lost a daughter and are in denial about the reality of that. But there’s no excuse for vultures like Huckabee to hitch his ignorance to his ideology and encourage the further suffering and false hopes of a desperate family.
Read more at http://wonkette.com/538305/mike-huckabee-explains-how-taking-dead-girl-off-life-support-is-like-forced-abortions-in-auschwitz#O5fKy5LiKD09jypw.99
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I can't stand him...I hate this issue. This girl will never recover. I understand the slippery slope argument but what exactly is the point here?
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I can't stand him...I hate this issue. This girl will never recover. I understand the slippery slope argument but what exactly is the point here?
you do?
can you explain it to me in this situation?
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Allow the government to step in a decide this shit is never a good idea...kinda like guns....however this chick is dead, she's on a machine and unless somebody is going to miracle her ass...just let her die with dignity.
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Comedy becomes reality (yet again) and also proves how ahead of his time that Bill Hicks truly was
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I don't have an opinion on abortion....and I don't link it to contraception either. If I was a practicing catholic I'd be against it..unlike the legion of Dem Catholics who are all full of shit. My mom voted for O'douche in 2008. She goes to church 3 days a week. I brought that point up to her and his attacks on Catholics and she voted for Romney. Repubs like Huckabee make my skin crawl..I'm sure he's a nice guy but dudes like him make me want to swear more and sniff coke off a hookers ass in public.
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Huckabee is an idiot who will soon be fired from FOX for being liberal.
Doesnt he know that a brain-dead girl will cost a lot of welfare? That is paid with taxes?
Is the man not a conservative?
he will relish being fired; then he is free to run for prez. forget the clown car; they will need a bus this time.
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why is it we have Repubs making stupid statements like this yet never having to apologize yet when Dems say stupid shit they constantly have to apologize
Please, you clowns don't apologize for shit. Even Obama has only given a half-ass apology for the lie of the year.
Hell, I haven't even seen a post from you acknowledging it was a flat out lie.
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He took a position..not much to apologize for compared to the clowns at MSNBC
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why is it we have Repubs making stupid statements like this yet never having to apologize yet when Dems say stupid shit they constantly have to apologize
Like when Bill Mahr called Sarah Palin a "c u n t" and apologized after?
Oh wait...
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Please, you clowns don't apologize for shit. Even Obama has only given a half-ass apology for the lie of the year.
Hell, I haven't even seen a post from you acknowledging it was a flat out lie.
are you fucking serious
how about the chick who just apologized for whatever she said about Romney's black grandchild
I could name many more but she's the first one to come to mind since it was just a few days ago
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Like when Bill Mahr called Sarah Palin a "c u n t" and apologized after?
Oh wait...
Bill Maher is a comedian and does not host a news show
Anyone remember the last time any of the clowns on your side apologized for anything
Rush had to face losing many sponsors before he apologized for his lies about Sandra Fluke
I don't recall any apologies from Ted Nugent for all the vile shit that he has said
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Bill Maher is a comedian and does not host a news show
Anyone remember the last time any of the clowns on your side apologized for anything
Rush had to face losing many sponsors before he apologized for his lies about Sandra Fluke
I don't recall any apologies from Ted Nugent for all the vile shit that he has said
It's ok if they're a comedian, but not ok if they're a singer or radio show host. ::)
Typical stupid liberal logic.
Like I said, you clowns don't apologize for shit.
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The crap on MSNBC is out of control....they just say shit and see what sticks and then choreograph ridiculous on "feel sorry for me" on air apologies.
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It's ok if they're a comedian, but not ok if they're a singer or radio show host. ::)
Typical stupid liberal logic.
Like I said, you clowns don't apologize for shit.
exactly right dipshit
I can't believe you don't understand the difference?
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exactly right dipshit
I can't believe you don't understand the difference?
by that logic you should be just fine w/rush since he is an "entertainer"
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I watched this segment live due to circumstances out of my control and I was pretty appalled at what he had to say, and it wasn't just the "ZOMG NAZIS!" thing. It was everything he said.
He may not be my style and I may find him offensive, but I have to give it to Mike Huckabee. He is a smooth politician - he knows who he's targeting with this nonsense, and they're buying it and loving it.
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I watched this segment live due to circumstances out of my control and I was pretty appalled at what he had to say, and it wasn't just the "ZOMG NAZIS!" thing. It was everything he said.
He may not be my style and I may find him offensive, but I have to give it to Mike Huckabee. He is a smooth politician - he knows who he's targeting with this nonsense, and they're buying it and loving it.
Too bad that might get him the Republican nomination, but it will keep him out of the White House.
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I like Huck, but he should stay out of this. That said, I don't fault the parents for not trusting the hospital that caused their daughter's condition.
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I like Huck, but he should stay out of this. That said, I don't fault the parents for not trusting the hospital that caused their daughter's condition.
They don't trust independent doctors either. It's a tragic situation for a parent to lose their child, especially a largely "meaningless" (I use the term loosely) loss over something like tonsil surgery. I feel for them, but their daughter is well and truly dead. Brain death isn't a fancy kind of sleep. It's death.
Frankly, it's a pity to see resources that could be devoted to helping people who do have a chance at recovery - even a minimal one - being diverted to "help" someone who's dead.
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They don't trust independent doctors either. It's a tragic situation for a parent to lose their child, especially a largely "meaningless" (I use the term loosely) loss over something like tonsil surgery. I feel for them, but their daughter is well and truly dead. Brain death isn't a fancy kind of sleep. It's death.
Frankly, it's a pity to see resources that could be devoted to helping people who do have a chance at recovery - even a minimal one - being diverted to "help" someone who's dead.
I agree it's a tragedy. Not sure this is diverting resources from any specific patient. Tough situation all around.
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I agree it's a tragedy. Not sure this is diverting resources from any specific patient. Tough situation all around.
It is a tough situation - no argument there. As for the diversion issue: the facility that has decided to accept the girl has only limited resources - I don't think that this is a point of contention. With those resources committed to this girl, they become unavailable for other uses.
Of course, the facility in question can decide how to deploy their limited resources - I wouldn't presume to tell them how they should operate, nor do I think anyone else (including the Government) should.
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Reminds me of the terry schiavo case where all the right nuts said she was responding but when they did the autopsy her brain was mush
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Reminds me of the terry schiavo case where all the right nuts said she was responding but when they did the autopsy her brain was mush
The travesty with the Terri Schiavo case wasn't what people (especially members of her immediate and extended family) said, although many who did speak made fools out of themselves. The travesty was what a certain group of people did. I am referring to Florida Governor Jeb Bush, President George W. Bush and a large group of Senators and Representatives. Their actions were disgraceful.
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It is a tough situation - no argument there. As for the diversion issue: the facility that has decided to accept the girl has only limited resources - I don't think that this is a point of contention. With those resources committed to this girl, they become unavailable for other uses.
Of course, the facility in question can decide how to deploy their limited resources - I wouldn't presume to tell them how they should operate, nor do I think anyone else (including the Government) should.
I don't know anything about the facility, although it doesn't sound like a situation where they don't have enough space. It's not like the girl requires ongoing attention by doctors. She's likely being kept alive by a respirator. She's essentially already dead. It's expensive, but not really something that requires a lot of manpower.
I agree the government should not be involved if the facility has volunteered to provide treatment, even if the treatment is futile.
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Reminds me of the terry schiavo case where all the right nuts said she was responding but when they did the autopsy her brain was mush
It's not like the Schiavo case, because that primarily involved a dispute between family members. And it was the family, not "right nuts" who started with the videos claiming she was responding to them.
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The right wing nuts sure jumped on th band wagon :D :D
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The right wing nuts sure jumped on th band wagon :D :D
Ok. ::)
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Ok. ::)
Are you saying they didn't
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Are you saying they didn't
I don't agree with your characterization of "right nuts," which is silly. You should read a wiki link or something about the case.
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Ok. ::)
He's right - they did jump on the bandwagon. But there's nothing wrong with that and the issue wasn't what people said. The issue was what a group of people did: use the power of the government to advance their personal beliefs and force them down other people's throats. That's the big problem with the Schiavo case, and it set a horrible, horrible precedent.
Regardless of which side of the fence you were on in the Terri Schiavo case, that interference should have outraged out. Don't kid yourself, you do not want a bunch of arrogant prigs that abuse their elected position to pass special laws so that they can overrule Courts and appoint some government bureaucrat to make these sort of decisions. You don't want this happening for a very simple reason: because tomorrow it may be your wife in that bed and then the politicians may reach a decision you disagree with.
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I don't agree with your characterization of "right nuts," which is silly. You should read a wiki link or something about the case.
Don't have to look it up i remember it pretty clearly. Which side were you on ?
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Like when Bill Mahr called Sarah Palin a "c u n t" and apologized after?
Oh wait...
one doesn't need to apologize for something that is true.
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He's right - they did jump on the bandwagon. But there's nothing wrong with that and the issue wasn't what people said. The issue was what a group of people did: use the power of the government to advance their personal beliefs and force them down other people's throats. That's the big problem with the Schiavo case, and it set a horrible, horrible precedent.
Regardless of which side of the fence you were on in the Terri Schiavo case, that interference should have outraged out. Don't kid yourself, you do not want a bunch of arrogant prigs that abuse their elected position to pass special laws so that they can overrule Courts and appoint some government bureaucrat to make these sort of decisions. You don't want this happening for a very simple reason: because tomorrow it may be your wife in that bed and then the politicians may reach a decision you disagree with.
He's wrong. Not everyone who "jumped on the bandwagon" was a "right wing nut."
I did not agree with what Jeb Bush or Congress did in that situation. They should have stayed out of it. I think the ex husband had the authority to make the decision on life-sustaining care. And even though it's hindsight, he was vindicated by the autopsy.
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Don't have to look it up i remember it pretty clearly. Which side were you on ?
Apparently not if you label everyone who "jumped on the bandwagon" as "right wing nuts."
I wasn't on anyone's side, but I didn't agree with government invention.
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He's wrong. Not everyone who "jumped on the bandwagon" was a "right wing nut."
Eh, it's a characterization that has, for better or worse, become quite common. It doesn't help that a lot of the people who quite prominently self-identify as right-wing were quite vocal in their support of Terri's parents, in favor of government intervention and used a lot of religious arguments.
I did not agree with what Jeb Bush or Congress did in that situation. They should have stayed out of it. I think the ex husband had the authority to make the decision on life-sustaining care. And even though it's hindsight, he was vindicated by the autopsy.
Egads... we agree on something. Just kidding - I find you to be reasonable most of the time.
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Eh, it's a characterization that has, for better or worse, become quite common. It doesn't help that a lot of the people who quite prominently self-identify as right-wing were quite vocal in their support of Terri's parents, in favor of government intervention and used a lot of religious arguments.
Egads... we agree on something. Just kidding - I find you to be reasonable most of the time.
lol. Thanks. Bookmark it. :D I think you're fairly reasonable. But your posts are too dang long. lol Especially for people like me with internet ADD.
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lol. Thanks. Bookmark it. :D I think you're fairly reasonable. But your posts are too dang long. lol Especially for people like me with internet ADD.
I can be quite verbose... it's a fault.
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by that logic you should be just fine w/rush since he is an "entertainer"
rush is in the same category as that chick on MSNBC or Bashir
he is a political commentator and not an entertainer or comedian (at least his comedy is not intentional)
why does everyone pretend they don't understand this shit
Maher is a stand up comic with a cable TV show
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rush is in the same category as that chick on MSNBC or Bashir
he is a political commentator and not an entertainer or comedian (at least his comedy is not intentional)
why does everyone pretend they don't understand this shit
Maher is a stand up comic with a TV show
Well, c'mon hotshot. Layout the logical reasoning why one entertainer should be exempt but not another.
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Well, c'mon hotshot. Layout the logical reasoning why one entertainer should be exempt but not another.
already explained it
Rush is not an entertainer or a comedian
Do we see Saturday Night live issuing apologies when they make jokes about politicians
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already explained it
Rush is not an entertainer or a comedian
Do we see Saturday Night live issuing apologies when they make jokes about politicians
He's a pundit. I see no real differentiation with the examples you cite. As offensive (and obnoxious, and arrogant and a huge prig) as I find Rush to be, I don't think he should be required to apologize for the bullshit he spews anymore than a dog that shits in the corner should have to apologize.
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already explained it
Rush is not an entertainer or a comedian
Do we see Saturday Night live issuing apologies when they make jokes about politicians
We certainly see comedians apologizing. Michael Richards learned that.
So, you can't point out any logical reason why one entertainer should be exempt, but not another.
No big shock there. ::)
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So, you have to be a certain type of entertainer.
You have to tell certain types of Jokes
But that only applies if you're a certain race.
lol. fucking lib idiot.
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So, you have to be a certain type of entertainer.
You have to tell certain types of Jokes
But that only applies if you're a certain race.
lol. fucking lib idiot.
and you are just a plain old vanilla idiot
yes, comedians mostly get a pass (unless they have a paying corporate gig - such as Gilbert Godfrey with his tweet about Fukishima)
Rash is not and has never been a comedian or entertainer and the only time he ever apologized was when his vile statements started costing him paid sponsors
Maher is a stand up comic
Why am I not surprised this is simple concept is too hard for you to understand
here is an example of something a comic can say
If someone claiming to be a political commentator said this they would most certainly have to apologize and would likely be fired
BTW - It' obvious that you're not aware of my many prior statements where I've said that people should be allowed to say whatever they want and everyone is free to either agree or criticize them.
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and you are just a plain old vanilla idiot
yes, comedians mostly get a pass (unless they have a paying corporate gig - such as Gilbert Godfrey with his tweet about Fukishima)
Rash is not and has never been a comedian or entertainer and the only time he ever apologized was when his vile statements started costing him paid sponsors
Maher is a stand up comic
Why am I not surprised this is simple concept is too hard for you to understand
here is an example of something a comic can say
If someone claiming to be a political commentator said this they would most certainly have to apologize and would likely be fired
BTW - It' obvious that you're not aware of my many prior statements where I've said that people should be allowed to say whatever they want and everyone is free to either agree or criticize them.
Let's try one more time shit for brains.
Lay out a LOGICAL, REASONABLE, RATIONAL reason why you are trying to give one type of entertainer a pass and not another.
Why the comedian and not the musician?
Dumbfuck.
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Let's try one more time shit for brains.
Lay out a LOGICAL, REASONABLE, RATIONAL reason why you are trying to give one type of entertainer a pass and not another.
Why the comedian and not the musician?
Dumbfuck.
yes, let's try again idiot
when you watch SNL do you enjoy how they start each show by apologizing to everyone who was offended by all the jokes in the prior weeks show
btw - last time I checked the Fat Ass was also not a singer and whats with singers and actors (such as Alec Baldwin)
those types of "entertainers" say stupid shit and then apologize ALL THE TIME ..... except for Ted Nugent of course
I'm talking specifically about comedians
Comedians almost always say whatever they want and are not forced into the public apology bullshit
I'm sure the nuance still complete evades your ability to comprehend even with specific and graphic examples so why don't you give it a rest and just add it to that long list of very simple things that you are not able to understand
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yes, let's try again idiot
when you watch SNL do you enjoy how they start each show by apologizing to everyone who was offended by all the jokes in the prior weeks show
btw - last time I checked the Fat Ass was also not a singer and whats with singers and actors (such as Alec Baldwin)
those types of "entertainers" say stupid shit and then apologize ALL THE TIME ..... except for Ted Nugent of course
I'm talking specifically about comedians
Comedians almost always say whatever they want and are not forced into the public apology bullshit
I'm sure the nuance still complete evades your ability to comprehend even with specific and graphic examples so why don't you give it a rest and just add it to that long list of very simple things that you are not able to understand
Again shit for brains...all you keep saying is they do it, they do it.
Again Lay out a LOGICAL, REASONABLE, RATIONAL reason why you are trying to give one type of entertainer a pass and not another.
Why the comedian and not the musician?
You can't Dumbfuck.
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Again shit for brains...all you keep saying is they do it, they do it.
Again Lay out a LOGICAL, REASONABLE, RATIONAL reason why you are trying to give one type of entertainer a pass and not another.
Why the comedian and not the musician?
You can't
already answer both questions in as simple terms as I thought you would be able to comprehend
clearly I can't dumb it down any further for you
btw - you said this on the first page of this thread and I've already been over this many times so why don't you pull your head out of your ass or at the very least stop making totally uninformed comments
Please, you clowns don't apologize for shit. Even Obama has only given a half-ass apology for the lie of the year.
Hell, I haven't even seen a post from you acknowledging it was a flat out lie.
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You said it wasn't looking good dumbfuck. Like I said, you've yet to call it for the lie it is.
And, you still can't produce a logical, reasonable, rational reason for giving one entertainer pass and not another.
As usual, you earn your dumbfuck moniker.
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You said it wasn't looking good dumbfuck. Like I said, you've yet to call it for the lie it is.
And, you still can't produce a logical, reasonable, rational reason for giving one entertainer pass and not another.
As usual, you earn your dumbfuck moniker.
sorry Skiptard
I forgot how truly fucking stupid you are
see if you can understand it now
everything obama has ever said about the choices we have are and were a lie.
could well turn out to be true and if so it will be BAD for Dems
This is what I don't understand about Repubs
They believe this legislation will be a disaster so why not take the high road and say it's the law of the land and help implement it rather than trying to delay it
If they truly believe it's going to bad then the country will be begging Repubs to get rid of it in 2016.
Sure it might hurt the country in the short run but we all know that Repubs are more than willing to hurt the country for their own political gain and this wouldn't be seen as their typical craven self serving harm to the country
They can take the total high road on this and come out of it looking both prescient and statesman like
Instead they decided to act like babies with a load in their diaper and they harmed the country and their brand on a folly that was never going to work in the first place
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Oh...that time you said it could well turn out to be true. AGAIN, Like I said, you've yet to call it for the lie it is.
A truly pathetic liberal worm, lol
And, you still can't produce a logical, reasonable, rational reason for giving one entertainer pass and not another.
As usual, you earn your dumbfuck moniker.
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Oh...that time you said it could well turn out to be true. AGAIN, Like I said, you've yet to call it for the lie it is.
A truly pathetic liberal worm, lol
And, you still can't produce a logical, reasonable, rational reason for giving one entertainer pass and not another.
As usual, you earn your dumbfuck moniker.
jesus man, are you really this fucking stupid
I'll let the rest of the board make their own conclusion on whether I agreed it look like a lie or not (and notice the date on my statement)
do you want to go back to complaining about why "singers" don't have to apologize when they make stupid statements or should I just start posting all of their apologies
here are a few more of my statements that you missed and are likely to go right over that flat head of yours
I don't follow Duck Dynasty or any other TV show (I have never even seen an episode of Breaking Bad) so why the fuck would I know about some statement by this guy from back in 2010 when this Duck nut show wasn't even on the air until 2012
BTW - great job again ignoring my questions to you about why you decided to be a world class dick and post Jags photos and name
Is that What Jesus would have done ?
Why is it that the christian who talk the most can't walk their talk
BTW 2 - My opinion on this idiot Robertson has been that he and others should be allowed to say whatever they want and let people get exposed to their beliefs
the more people who know exactly the nonsense that you and Phil and others like you believe the more you will be exposed for the moronic, bigoted jackasses that you are and the collective intelligence of the species will increase
they both made statements that certain people found to be offensive
you probably have no problem with that the duck dude said an I have no problem with what Bashir said
I think they should both be allowed to say whatever they want and people can either agree with them or not
The problem is that their respective employers had a problem with that they said
My point is that if anyone found Bashir comments offensive and felt he should resign (which he obviously did rather than being fired) then they should have no issue when the same thing happens to someone else who happens to make offensive statements even if they personally don't find them to be offensive
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Skippy is a boarderline reeeeeetard
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jesus man, are you really this fucking stupid
I'll let the rest of the board make their own conclusion on whether I agreed it look like a lie or not (and notice the date on my statement)
do you want to go back to complaining about why "singers" don't have to apologize when they make stupid statements or should I just start posting all of their apologies
here are a few more of my statements that you missed and are likely to go right over that flat head of yours
I haven't complained once shit for brains.
I've repeatedly asked you to provide a logical, reasonable, rational reason for giving one entertainer pass and not another.
All you have given is this person does it, that person does it.
So AGAIN Dumbfuck, provide a logical, reasonable, rational reason for giving one entertainer pass and not another.
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Skippy is a boarderline reeeeeetard
I'm not feeling any love from you.
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I haven't complained once shit for brains.
I've repeatedly asked you to provide a logical, reasonable, rational reason for giving one entertainer pass and not another.
All you have given is this person does it, that person does it.
So AGAIN Dumbfuck, provide a logical, reasonable, rational reason for giving one entertainer pass and not another.
comedians generally get a pass by the public as we ALL know to be true
this tangent started when Emmortal brought up Bill Maher and implied that he should have apologized for calling Sarah Palin a Kunt
Most people with normal brain function completely understand why a comedian (especially on his own cable show) can call Palin a Kunt and someone claiming to be a poltical commentator cannot get away with saying the exact same thing
If you don't understand why that is then go ask your father or mother to explain how the world works
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Bill Maher is a comedian and does not host a news show
Anyone remember the last time any of the clowns on your side apologized for anything
Rush had to face losing many sponsors before he apologized for his lies about Sandra Fluke
I don't recall any apologies from Ted Nugent for all the vile shit that he has said
My Side? There aren't any mainstream libertarian news broadcast outlets. Secondly, "Real Time" is a political discussion forum for the extreme left wing, you've obviously never watched the show or you would know that.
Using your logic Ted Nugent is just a musician therefore he doesn't need to apologize.
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My Side? There aren't any mainstream libertarian news broadcast outlets. Secondly, "Real Time" is a political discussion forum for the extreme left wing, you've obviously never watched the show or you would know that.
Using your logic Ted Nugent is just a musician therefore he doesn't need to apologize.
I've watched it many times
his panel format is usually left, right and center and with a bit of a libertarian bent at times (legalizing weed for
example)
he usually picks really good and sharp people in all positions
seriously man
my first thought was if you had ever watched the show
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lol. Thanks. Bookmark it. :D I think you're fairly reasonable. But your posts are too dang long. lol Especially for people like me with internet ADD.
that's why I make mine short.
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that's why I make mine short.
Yes. I know. You are the unfunny but pithy comic relief. Everyone has their role.
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Yes. I know. You are the funny and pithy comic relief. Everyone has their role.
why, thank you!
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why, thank you!
You're quite welcome. :)
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He's a pundit. I see no real differentiation with the examples you cite. As offensive (and obnoxious, and arrogant and a huge prig) as I find Rush to be, I don't think he should be required to apologize for the bullshit he spews anymore than a dog that shits in the corner should have to apologize.
Agreed.
And to your point about the Schiavo case, do you think the way they went about it was wrong. I'm not big on the whole starve to death thing. I would like to have seen them be able to give her something so that she could go peaceful and quick.
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He's a pundit. I see no real differentiation with the examples you cite. As offensive (and obnoxious, and arrogant and a huge prig) as I find Rush to be, I don't think he should be required to apologize for the bullshit he spews anymore than a dog that shits in the corner should have to apologize.
Rush has never been "required" to apologize for anything nor could anyone do so because he is basically self employed as he is a majority owner of his show
The only time (to my memory) that Rush decided to apologize was when he lost over 100 sponsors (per Wiki) for his lies and slandering of Sandra Fluke (calling her a slut and prostitute)
So his phony apology was merely to save his own ass from losing money
Again, I think Hicks summed up Rush better than anyone else and this was over 20 years ago
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Agreed.
And to your point about the Schiavo case, do you think the way they went about it was wrong. I'm not big on the whole starve to death thing. I would like to have seen them be able to give her something so that she could go peaceful and quick.
I don't condone suicide but I am pro-euthanasia and firmly believe that people have the right to choose to end their lives, and that they should have the ability to do so in a humane fashion. Too many people in my extended family have suffered prolonged, painfully agonizing deaths ravaged by different kinds of cancer - intenstinal and colorectal cancer, bone cancer and leukemia to name a few. I've personally seen someone beg for death in brief moments of lucidity between doses of pain medication that doesn't help.
I find the obsession of some people, who have appointed themselves the moral police and seek to impose their morals and beliefs on others beyond offensive. I find it bordering on a mentality of torture. They step up and loudly proclaim that people shouldn't be able to choose to not continue living and that tragic as their case may be, people must take the pain and deal with it until their body just gives out.
On the subject of Terri Schiavo, I don't know to what degree she experienced pain while in PVS. Let's assume she felt some pain: I believe she shouldn't be required to endure pain. And if she didn't feel pain, I don't think she should be required to maintained by a machine against her will.
Of course, we don't know what her will on the topic was. We won't know - not with certainty. But in our society we have rules that allow people to make such decisions ahead of time, and we agree that certain people have the ability and authority to make such decisions for those who are unable to do so themselves and haven't made their wishes kmown. Spouses can – and should. Her husband should have been allowed to make decisions about her care without government interference. I can certainly understand her parents attempting to intervene - even going so far as to take the matter to Court and I would not seek to deprive them of that ability or the neutral arbiter that us the Court. I found the government interference problematic and deeply troubling.
I guess, for me, then case highlights just how important it is to have a written document that explicitly mentions one's wishes and explicitly appoints someone and grants him authority to make decisions in case of incapacity.
As a sidenote, I think that it's ironic that doctors cannot help a patient end his life peacefully and in a humane manner, but can sit by (or even facilitate) people who are starving to death because that's the only way we, as a society, allow people to exercise control over their own lives. I find it doubly ironic that they can seek to help blunt the pain - as if medicating such a person is some greatly compassionate act. And I find it triply ironic that many people who are opposed to euthanasia agree that people have a right to demand that treatment, including feeding, be withdrawn.
It's a fucked up world we live in...