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I grew up like all of you with the Flex magazine bullshit and the lies from the videos. Oh well...
The ideea of bulking, then cutting for a show. It never made sense to me but who am I to dispute. I did notice the occasional oddity who grew into a show.
My last transformation I did slim down without drugs, as much as I was able to, then hopped on a stack. Disgusted encouraged me and helped me with pointers. As you all know, when you diet strict you become paranoic and don't think clear ;D
The results were much much better. I think I first became aware of this when gh15 said that it is much better to start a cycle at a low bodyfat. And it is.
The stack is different, and I see no point in doing the test, deca and dbol bulking unless you feel the need to be "big" all the time. Your body recovers better if you go off completely and only use when growing into contest shape or close to that. It's also mentally less taxing to not take hormones all the time. For me at least.
Levrone did it this way, Arnold, Lee Haney and I am sure many others.
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From my personal experience there is a huge difference in body response to drugs when you get under 7-8 bodyfat. If you are above 10 don't even bother; you might as well be pissing away the drugs into water bloat.
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I grew up like all of you with the Flex magazine bullshit and the lies from the videos. Oh well...
The ideea of bulking, then cutting for a show. It never made sense to me but who am I to dispute. I did notice the occasional oddity who grew into a show.
My last transformation I did slim down without drugs, as much as I was able to, then hopped on a stack. Disgusted encouraged me and helped me with pointers. As you all know, when you diet strict you become paranoic and don't think clear ;D
The results were much much better. I think I first became aware of this when gh15 said that it is much better to start a cycle at a low bodyfat. And it is.
The stack is different, and I see no point in doing the test, deca and dbol bulking unless you feel the need to be "big" all the time. Your body recovers better if you go off completely and only use when growing into contest shape or close to that. It's also mentally less taxing to not take hormones all the time. For me at least.
Levrone did it this way, Arnold, Lee Haney and I am sure many others.
How low bodyfat wise can you go before starting to use gear? Do you have any pic?
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How low bodyfat wise can you go before starting to use gear? Do you have any pic?
I posted plenty. I did manage to get to 7% before I started taking hormones. Maybe lower but around that mark.
the mid point picture is missing there .. I started at 190lbs, went down to 158lbs and 6-7% after 2 1/2 months then in 5 weeks blew up to 183lbs which is the end point.
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From my personal experience there is a huge difference in body response to drugs when you get under 7-8 bodyfat. If you are above 10 don't even bother; you might as well be pissing away the drugs into water bloat.
Interesting. I have read other's thoughts that suggest the best BF range for hormone sensitivity is in the 10-12% range. It is quite difficult for a natty to get down to the 8% level, right?
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Interesting. I have read other's thoughts that suggest the best BF range for hormone sensitivity is in the 10-12% range. It is quite difficult for a natty to get down to the 8% level, right?
The lower the bodyfat when you start, the better. Nattys can get to 6%..just that nobody wants discipline and suffering. I thought it's impossible but Disgusted was adamant that it can be done and he was right.
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The lower the bodyfat when you start, the better. Nattys can get to 6%..just that nobody wants discipline and suffering. I thought it's impossible but Disgusted was adamant that it can be done and he was right.
What was your diet at the time? Keto? I believe Disgusted advocates carbs when going low with bodyfat.
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What was your diet at the time? Keto? I believe Disgusted advocates carbs when going low with bodyfat.
lean meats and greens .. no carbs. Disgusted advocates the same.
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Test, deca and dbol is excellent and imo still the way to go for a bodybuilder in his first two years of juicing on AAS.
Once you are maxed out size-wise on aas only, it's time to pass on to gh. Once you're there, deca shouldn't be used anymore. EQ and tren take over.
Off season bulk for an aas only bodybuilder is NOT the same as off season bulk for an advanced bodybuilder (+5IU gh ED, slin and high test).
The first will have a much higher BF % then the latter, who will have more water retention and estrogen moosh then actual fat (unless he doesn't know how to use adjust his diet to his slin use, but then he's not advanced imo).
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your insulin sensitivity in skeletal muscles is higher at lower body fat levels thus cells absorb nutrients at a much better rate
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Zane, Franco, Arnold and many of the old school guys gained weight approaching a contest. It seems many guys now lose weight.
The only old school guy that seemed close to the same all year round was Robby. That's why I believe him when he says he didn't know about steroids when he competed in Florida but used when he learned about them in California. He always said he used less than what the rest of the gang were using. True? I don't know. I only know is that for close to 50 years this guy has been in incredible shape.
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have to agree with OP and offseason bulking. its less healthy as well instead of just blasting for a show then cruising, instead of blimping up
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Bulked up year round bodybuilders do a lot of damage to the organs.
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so what about the need of caloric surplus for muscle growth
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I tried both aproaches. The growing into shows makes a lot more sense to me. I know the vast amjority, "bulk up" then diet down, "lift heavy and eat big to get big" and this type of nonsense.
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I posted plenty. I did manage to get to 7% before I started taking hormones. Maybe lower but around that mark.
the mid point picture is missing there .. I started at 190lbs, went down to 158lbs and 6-7% after 2 1/2 months then in 5 weeks blew up to 183lbs which is the end point.
How was your energy level when you got that light?
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It is quite difficult for a natty to get down to the 8% level, right?
It's very easy for me.
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so what about the need of caloric surplus for muscle growth
I ponder this too ana...
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so what about the need of caloric surplus for muscle growth
That's a mandatory, consume slightly more calories than your maintenance level, say 100-200 extra. Pay close attention to your bodyfat, keep it lower than 10-12%.
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I have never been able to get sub 7-8% even with a ridiculous diet and cardio.....I can get down to 8-10 with some discomfort but usually stay 10-12 year round, with test I'm sure I can get to 8 and stay there comfortably....but the hollow feeling and hypoglycemia wrecks havoc on me.
and I don't think I want to go sub 8......at some point vascularity becomes a disgusting deformity
Edit: but truthfully closer to the 12% mark :-X
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What is in this stack you mentioned?
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I have never been able to get sub 7-8% even with a ridiculous diet and cardio.....I can get down to 8-10 with some discomfort but usually stay 10-12 year round, with test I'm sure I can get to 8 and stay there comfortably....but the hollow feeling and hypoglycemia wrecks havoc on me.
and I don't think I want to go sub 8......at some point vascularity becomes a disgusting deformity
Edit: but truthfully closer to the 12% mark :-X
cardio sucks for preservation of muscle mass, sprints are far better and do them in intervals, just take a look at a marathon runner and a sprinter, you'll see the difference ;)
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If you get fat, you get fat.
That's why I bulk up slowly and put on lean mass, only allowing for a small bit of adipose to accumulate. Getting absolutely swollen does nothing unless you're on a boatload of drugs to gain the weight and cut it down. But that's the worst way and I don't advocate that at all. I just wish I knew that years ago so I didn't spend so much time being fat. :-X
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You can`t flex fat!!
Build muscle over time.
"Bulking" is an archaic term that is just another excuse to eat like shit in order to get the scale to budge........the mirror doesn`t lie.
As far as calories go,they don`t build muscle..........macronut rients do.
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I grew up like all of you with the Flex magazine bullshit and the lies from the videos. Oh well...
The ideea of bulking, then cutting for a show. It never made sense to me but who am I to dispute. I did notice the occasional oddity who grew into a show.
My last transformation I did slim down without drugs, as much as I was able to, then hopped on a stack. Disgusted encouraged me and helped me with pointers. As you all know, when you diet strict you become paranoic and don't think clear ;D
The results were much much better. I think I first became aware of this when gh15 said that it is much better to start a cycle at a low bodyfat. And it is.
The stack is different, and I see no point in doing the test, deca and dbol bulking unless you feel the need to be "big" all the time. Your body recovers better if you go off completely and only use when growing into contest shape or close to that. It's also mentally less taxing to not take hormones all the time. For me at least.
Levrone did it this way, Arnold, Lee Haney and I am sure many others.
yes.....growing into a show makes very good sense......franco and flavio baccianini also grew into shows.
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Test, deca and dbol is excellent and imo still the way to go for a bodybuilder in his first two years of juicing on AAS.
Once you are maxed out size-wise on aas only, it's time to pass on to gh. Once you're there, deca shouldn't be used anymore. EQ and tren take over.
Off season bulk for an aas only bodybuilder is NOT the same as off season bulk for an advanced bodybuilder (+5IU gh ED, slin and high test).
The first will have a much higher BF % then the latter, who will have more water retention and estrogen moosh then actual fat (unless he doesn't know how to use adjust his diet to his slin use, but then he's not advanced imo).
you must be a beast
you posted a pic?
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How was your energy level when you got that light?
excellent .. and I am not the "energetic" type on a regular base
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you must be a beast
you posted a pic?
He's from that other site. . You know where the serious bodybuilders post.
He must be huge
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He's from that other site. . You know where the serious bodybuilders post.
He must be huge
yeah i know
they are all interchangeable posting the same shit
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Interesting. I have read other's thoughts that suggest the best BF range for hormone sensitivity is in the 10-12% range. It is quite difficult for a natty to get down to the 8% level, right?
hellno fuck no lol.
10-12% fat is tooooo fat.
at that fat, an estrogen fiasco-fest is ensured.
8% is kinda easy for a natty.the meltdown happens at much lower bodyfat for natural.8% is "easy"
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excellent .. and I am not the "energetic" type on a regular base
Thanks, I'm dieting myself and was wondering.
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I grew up like all of you with the Flex magazine bullshit and the lies from the videos. Oh well...
The ideea of bulking, then cutting for a show. It never made sense to me but who am I to dispute. I did notice the occasional oddity who grew into a show.
My last transformation I did slim down without drugs, as much as I was able to, then hopped on a stack. Disgusted encouraged me and helped me with pointers. As you all know, when you diet strict you become paranoic and don't think clear ;D
The results were much much better. I think I first became aware of this when gh15 said that it is much better to start a cycle at a low bodyfat. And it is.
The stack is different, and I see no point in doing the test, deca and dbol bulking unless you feel the need to be "big" all the time. Your body recovers better if you go off completely and only use when growing into contest shape or close to that. It's also mentally less taxing to not take hormones all the time. For me at least.
Levrone did it this way, Arnold, Lee Haney and I am sure many others.
hm,sev.
i agree and i no agree.
a bloody newcomer must gain some weight first , for us who have had the size before is easy, we can just hop on gear, do the same diet as usual and we end up looking like before very fast.no matter if we fat or thin.
the muscle never realy gone,its just smaller, stores fuck all nutritients etc.layer of fat and boom we look like never lifted a weight in the life.
now lets say if we wanted to add some serious size now, we would need to do a little bulking too, but rather to make the nedded extra drugs work,more than anything else.and ppl confuse bulk with eating whatever at any given time, no restrictions whatsoever.ofc this will not end well.
but a slow weight gain from mostly clean foods would be necesary for us to get bit further.
more imporatnt though, the dosage increase.
this is important, yes dosage has everything to do with size, but this doesnt mean a newcomer can come and blast away.gotta work the way up slowly.
but we do agree, steroids are much better when lean, only ppl who been so lean will know the difference.
and fully agredd, once there, and happy with the size, is better to go off gear for offseaosn instead of "bulking".
better to be off gear and not even train, or train a bit.
bulking is a pathetic excuse use as spacegoat for zero diet discipline.
a proper bulk has its places but it has nothing to do with permanent glutony as some think.
that bs is reinforced by"you can eat whatever you want on drugs dex jackson was seen eating mcdonslad contest prep"
well, thats not true, dex eats a mcdonalds chicken wing but then diets for 1 week again and trains twice a day ,lol.
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Layne Norton ..
you lost me right there
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your insulin sensitivity in skeletal muscles is higher at lower body fat levels thus cells absorb nutrients at a much better rate
and everywhere else, tyhe liver metabolises the foods in an extremly superior way.
youre 5% and eat 5pizzas in a row, you wont gain fat.
youre 10% and eat half that and your face gonna look like a filled bag of soft diarhea.and definite fat gains.
insulin sensitivity is key ,is everything.
if its bad, the body will not use the food properly.it turns a whole metaoblism upside down.
more important than calories this calories that.
if one has mastered the feel of increased insulin senstivity theyre set and ready to go.they will never agin need a dieting plan.
btw insulin sensitivity is increased by,guess what, eating very little food.and working out.that order.
very good post,man.
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cardio sucks for preservation of muscle mass, sprints are far better and do them in intervals, just take a look at a marathon runner and a sprinter, you'll see the difference ;)
Sprints release Pixie Dust into the blood that magically targets visceral fat and completely bypasses the idea that it's a calorie deficit leads to reduced bodyfat.
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Sprints release Pixie Dust into the blood that magically targets visceral fat and completely bypasses the idea that it's a calorie deficit leads to reduced bodyfat.
:D
this was good
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so what about the need of caloric surplus for muscle growth
what about it.
has it to be permanent?
or will be body grow a bit after eevry meal and become catabolic with every fasting?
permanent caloric surplus, as in eating when not hungry evbery time will plain and simply make ppl gain fat forst and foremost.
the suprlus is needed, but its much less than ppl think imo.
it really depends on so many factors.
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what about it.
has it to be permanent?
or will be body grow a bit after eevry meal and become catabolic with every fasting?
permanent caloric surplus, as in eating when not hungry evbery time will plain and simply make ppl gain fat forst and foremost.
the suprlus is needed, but its much less than ppl think imo.
it really depends on so many factors.
^^^
This is the time where you go by the mirror and adjust calories accordingly.
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Layne Norton is a big proponent of this theory and likes to use the example of the marathon runner and sprinter. It's not necessarily accurate though. Athletes who participate in particular disciplines at a high level usually self-select due to a genetic predisposition. Thus, no matter how Ryan Hall eats, trains, and drugs, he's never going to look like a jacked Olympic sprinter. He's got a light frame and little genetic ability to put on muscle. Marathon running is perfect for him. The reverse is true for many sprinters. They have heavy frames and good genetic ability to put on and retain muscle mass. Add in some PEDs and some will look really jacked. I'm not saying serious marathon training and bodybuilding are compatible, they're not, but the marathon runner/sprinter example is inaccurate and overused. U can do a decent amount of low intensity steady state cardio without losing appreciable muscle mass.
i tried both kinds of cardio, if id have to give the edge to one, itd be the easy moderate cardio.
but i like doing the more intense, burn cals quicker and less boring.
theyre about the same.
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This is the time where you go by the mirror and adjust calories accordingly.
yeah, or 1 banenana + proetin shake added to the normal diet and see what happens etc.
nothing drastic.or just dcrease the fasting times between meals.
btw,the mirror can be misleading, dep on whats used imo.
this example , after a big meal of cheat one will look leaner than they are, then 1-2 days later, the muscle cells empty and leave the now bit bigger fatcells exposed,and the look is totaly different withing few days.
some then feel flat and want to make up for it with another big meal, this is the biggest error,lol.
if the fat is there it certainly will not go away from a nother cheat meal,lol.
its just the phenomen of full muscle pressing towards the skin.
the bill and payback come next day or the day after that ;D
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One can def built on muscle with zero carbs, not that you can't eat some.
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Not possible for me unfortunately.
Muscle = lots of carbs but get very fat too.
No carbs = lose lots of fat but lots more possible.
That's the problem and no matter what I do will ever change that equation.
Only thing that can change that is juice or lypo.
Can't tell you how many times I have heard this. You are def doing something wrong.
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Can't tell you how many times I have heard this. You are def doing something wrong.
hes natural und unexperienced :D
long road ahead :D
hapy new year btw 8)
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hes natural und unexperienced :D
long road ahead :D
hapy new year btw 8)
You too brother. :)
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i tried both kinds of cardio, if id have to give the edge to one, itd be the easy moderate cardio.
but i like doing the more intense, burn cals quicker and less boring.
theyre about the same.
yeah, or 1 banenana + proetin shake added to the normal diet and see what happens etc.
nothing drastic.or just dcrease the fasting times between meals.
btw,the mirror can be misleading, dep on whats used imo.
this example , after a big meal of cheat one will look leaner than they are, then 1-2 days later, the muscle cells empty and leave the now bit bigger fatcells exposed,and the look is totaly different withing few days.
some then feel flat and want to make up for it with another big meal, this is the biggest error,lol.
if the fat is there it certainly will not go away from a nother cheat meal,lol.
its just the phenomen of full muscle pressing towards the skin.
the bill and payback come next day or the day after that ;D
Very true..totally agree.
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I PROMISE you I am not doing anything wrong other than the fact that I am extremely carb sensitive.
I have done experiments.
A calorie does not = a calorie in my body.
For gaining muscle (and I am really good at putting on muscle natty) the most important factor is carbs.
It does not matter if I eat 100g protein or 300g protein, makes zero difference on muscle gain.
If I eat 300g + carbs or more like 500g BOOM = muscle growth.
On the other hand if I eat anything over 70g carb BOOM = Instant fat gain.
I end up either looking anoerexic or like a powerlifter.
With certain bodies like mine there is no winning, its a curse.
If I ever manage to find a photo editor that blanks out my face I will post pics so you understand, my free photoshop trial has expired
disgusted really knows his stuff
try listening too him gal too
if they say you are doing something wrong try exploring that avenue rather than making excuses
this post is meant in a positive way
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don't bother Disgusted, I have already offered him advice but he insist with this 500 grams a day of carbs because bla bla bla
no such thing as carb sensitivity by the way .. another dude with fixed ideas
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I PROMISE you I am not doing anything wrong other than the fact that I am extremely carb sensitive.
I have done experiments.
A calorie does not = a calorie in my body.
For gaining muscle (and I am really good at putting on muscle natty) the most important factor is carbs.
It does not matter if I eat 100g protein or 300g protein, makes zero difference on muscle gain.
If I eat 300g + carbs or more like 500g BOOM = muscle growth.
On the other hand if I eat anything over 70g carb BOOM = Instant fat gain.
I end up either looking anoerexic or like a powerlifter.
With certain bodies like mine there is no winning, its a curse.
If I ever manage to find a photo editor that blanks out my face I will post pics so you understand, my free photoshop trial has expired
OK you say that you are extremely carb sensitive. So I take this to mean that once you increase your carbs to a certain extent you all of the sudden put on muscle? From a physiological stand point this doesn't make sense as an over abundance (in your case) are not needed to build muscle tissue. So something else is obviously going on here. I would like to know what exactly you are eating both ways as far as low to no carb and then with carbs when you say that you grow best.
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Listen brother, I am humble, I am here listen from the people who know what they are doing.
I am not making excuses, why you think I want to look garbage for the rest of my life? you think i wouldn't give my right arm to have a body like galienko???
Off course I would.
What you don't understand is if you abused you body for like years and year with junk food, alchol and other shit, your body is not gonna forget and forgive you like that.
Like I said if I posted my transformation pics you would begin to understand.
I AM EXTREMELY CARB SENSITIVE.
Just the way it is, my muscles only grow from carbs but unfortunately the very thing makes my muscle grow makes me fat.
arent you on scripted growth
that can mess your system up
regarding insulin sensitivity etc
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don't bother Disgusted, I have already offered him advice but he insist with this 500 grams a day of carbs because bla bla bla
no such thing as carb sensitivity by the way .. another dude with fixed ideas
When people say they're "carb sensitive" it means that they're fat, unobservant and delusional. They do things wrong, but they do not see it. And they're always perplexed and wonder why things never go as anticipated.
To sum it up, they're clueless fatasses. No offense to anyone here or anything.
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Listen brother, I am humble, I am here listen from the people who know what they are doing.
I am not making excuses, why you think I want to look garbage for the rest of my life? you think i wouldn't give my right arm to have a body like galienko???
Off course I would.
What you don't understand is if you abused you body for like years and year with junk food, alchol and other shit, your body is not gonna forget and forgive you like that.
Like I said if I posted my transformation pics you would begin to understand.
I AM EXTREMELY CARB SENSITIVE.
Just the way it is, my muscles only grow from carbs but unfortunately the very thing makes my muscle grow makes me fat.
This can not be true anymore that you could breath under water. A lot of times when people get fat they feel like they are big and or growing more.
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If I ever manage to find a photo editor that blanks out my face I will post pics so you understand, my free photoshop trial has expired
Ok, you can share the pics now.
http://www.gimp.org/
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Sprints release Pixie Dust into the blood that magically targets visceral fat and completely bypasses the idea that it's a calorie deficit leads to reduced bodyfat.
visceral fat isn't that hard to burn, the fat with more alpha2 adrenergic receptors is ;) , it's about hormones working in synergy, high intensity training triggers cethocolamines, cortisol test and hgh which is a win win combination for futrher fat oxidation and muscle building
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Honestly I have no reason to lie about something so important to me, that just how my body works.
My theory is that I was probably either pre-diabetic or perhaps already type 2 diabetic (although this was never confirmed by blood works) and since I did my transformation where I came down from 253lb @ like 40% BF down to 170lb around 12 is BF (maybe higher I am no very good judge but definately no more than 15) that the cardio and exercise somehow reversed or masked my issues with carbs etc.
That's my theory anyway.
Tell me what is a programme that I can download free like photoshop (but not photoshop cos mine expired and I dont wanna buy it) that blanks out my face so I can post pics so you understand what I am saying cos I really want to get to the bottom of why I am such a fuck up.
Thanks
I don't think that you are lying just don't know your body and nutrition.
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This can not be true anymore that you could breath under water. A lot of times when people get fat they feel like they are big and or growing more.
You know what he means, it just needs to be read between the lines.
He means he's a fatass. He feels "skinny" without carbs, so he feasts all day because when his fatceps lose circumference it makes him feel small and subsequently insecure. That's why he thinks "carbs build his muscles" and eats way too much.
Well, eating carbs will mean a lot of glycogen retention in the skeletal muscle, considering how most of the volume is water + carbs or glycogen. But this guy's just fat, overthinks, and also thinks he knows more than he does which is a dangerous combination. Disgusted, you are a guru and shouldn't give this kid the time of day because he's dead set in his ways. I predict it will take a good 2-3 more years of overanalyzing and reading boards before this guy will truly get it.
Unfortunately this kid doesn't understand that he's arguing with a guru. Whatever Disgusted says, you can be assured that at least a solid 99.9% of it will be indisputable. He'll have more luck if he just drops everything he "knows" and blindly listens to Disgusted because he won't be steered wrong. I wouldn't waste anymore effort on this guy. We've all met the bodybuilding-know-it-alls before that are 20% body fat, read everything on the internet, and "do everything correctly" already.
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You know what he means, it just needs to be read between the lines.
He means he's a fatass. He feels "skinny" without carbs, so he feasts all day because when his fatceps lose circumference it makes him feel small and subsequently insecure. That's why he thinks "carbs build his muscles" and eats way too much.
Well, eating carbs will mean a lot of glycogen retention in the skeletal muscle, considering how most of the volume is water + carbs or glycogen. But this guy's just fat, overthinks, and also thinks he knows more than he does which is a dangerous combination. Disgusted, you are a guru and shouldn't give this kid the time of day because he's dead set in his ways. I predict it will take a good 2-3 more years of overanalyzing and reading boards before this guy will truly get it.
Unfortunately this kid doesn't understand that he's arguing with a guru. Whatever Disgusted says, you can be assured that at least a solid 99.9% of it will be indisputable. He'll have more luck if he just drops everything he "knows" and blindly listens to Disgusted because he won't be steered wrong. I wouldn't waste anymore effort on this guy. We've all met the bodybuilding-know-it-alls before that are 20% body fat, read everything on the internet, and "do everything correctly" already.
I at times feel bad for guys like this simply because they like you said will most likely never get it. On the other hand when I was his age I had to reply on mags to get my info and most of it was crap. Tons of trial and error. Today one can talk to some pretty knowledgeable guys at the touch of their key board. Thanks for the kind words!!!! :)
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I at times feel bad for guys like this simply because they like you said will most likely never get it. On the other hand when I was his age I had to reply on mags to get my info and most of it was crap. Tons of trial and error. Today one can talk to some pretty knowledgeable guys at the touch of their key board. Thanks for the kind words!!!! :)
No worries, man. I was like that guy before. I trusted the "gurus" on bodybuilding.com with my life!
I didn't wise up until I loosened my anus and read things from guys like you, gal, sev, people who've tried shit out themselves as well as read the scientific literature and found the truth somewhere in the middle of the road. This kid will get it too in another few years. But until then, he'll just have to keep crashing and burning with his carb muscles and body that defies the laws of thermodynamics and conventional biology. Must suck for him, eh! :o ;D
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stop refering to me as a kid I am 35 years old, also if you have nothing constructive to say what talk shit, try for once to be a little bit respectful and considerate about other people, I haven't been rude or discourteous to you now have I?
I am simply trying to pick other peoples brains.
Everytime I hear critisim its always oh its your diet, or its your training......bullshit sometimes its just hormones as there aint nothing u can do about it other than correct it hormonally.
Now chill
I personally don't think you are here to learn. Either that or you are really dumb.
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I personally don't think you are here to learn. Either that or you are really dumb.
This.
sev and everyone else know I don't lash out unless there's a legitimate reason. Either this guy is terribly fucking retarded and I would offer my sincerest apologies, or he's terribly fucking retarded and a know-it-all who's done nothing but reject valuable insights by some of our most helpful and brightest members... I'm going with the latter.
All the answers have been provided, Uncle Junior. Stop being a fucking retard. Hope this helps.
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Junior.. I slimed down diabetics as well.. I don't think you are one, but even if so, carbs are not necessary for either bulking or cutting. I tried everything and made plenty of mistakes. I think I figured it out in the recent past.
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I am no expert but I know what I know and nothing can change that. Am more than happy to share. I have learned the best stuff here on getbig believe it or not.
Stronger? nowadays I surely hope you are ;D (I use baby weights)
Better physique? good luck .. post something better than this and I will definitely give you props my friend.
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Disgusted or anyone, I've ran test and tren before with no AI or nothing, no issues. Dose like 300-500 in total.
Running npp for first time, 400mg a week - feel like shit for over a week, like test flu? Is my estrogen/prolactin high...got some adex on way but man...
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I am just extremely frustrated right now that I can't get this right.
Relax .. eat lean meats bittergreen veggies also leafy ones .. and some healthy fats .. drop the carbs, the hgh, the insane amounts of training... spend maximum of 1 hour a day 6 days a week in the gym .. That's all.. you will feel and look better.
My best friend was doing something similar to you. Then, he did what I just told you to do. This is what happened to him..
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/1209134_10151714820833645_1882566132_n.jpg)
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Disgusted or anyone, I've ran test and tren before with no AI or nothing, no issues. Dose like 300-500 in total.
Running npp for first time, 400mg a week - feel like shit for over a week, like test flu? Is my estrogen/prolactin high...got some adex on way but man...
Just reaction to a new compound. Will go away in a couple weeks. NPP is quick acting.
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Relax .. eat lean meats bittergreen veggies also leafy ones .. and some healthy fats .. drop the carbs, the hgh, the insane amounts of training... spend maximum of 1 hour a day 6 days a week in the gym .. That's all.. you will feel and look better.
My best friend was doing something similar to you. Then, he did what I just told you to do. This is what happened to him..
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/1209134_10151714820833645_1882566132_n.jpg)
Good sound advice with excellent results!!
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Good sound advice with excellent results!!
Yes, credit also to Disgusted. My friend was stuck 2 weeks prior to the final picture. We hit a plateau. He still had a little fat and looked quite different .. A single phrase from Disgusted made all the difference and you see the result.. in 2 weeks he was in the shape of his life. People underestimate Disgusted. I don't ;D
He also helped me achieve this shape (a little advice here and there can make a world of difference trust me)
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Yes, credit also to Disgusted. My friend was stuck 2 weeks prior to the final picture. We hit a plateau. A single phrase from Disgusted made all the difference and you see the result.. in 2 weeks he was in the shape of his life. People underestimate Disgusted. I don't ;D
disgusted is the best expert on here
thats saying something cause loads of guys know their stuff
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disgusted is the best expert on here
thats saying something cause loads of guys know their stuff
I resonate with him because he simply makes sense .. to me at least. I would encourage anyone, pro or gymrat, to contact him for bodybuilding advice. To me he is the best I have seen (and I worked with a top 10 Mr O before and many others)..
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don't bother Disgusted, I have already offered him advice but he insist with this 500 grams a day of carbs because bla bla bla
no such thing as carb sensitivity by the way .. another dude with fixed ideas
if he cant have carbs he can jjust add more fats,thatll do.
btw some amoutn of carb sensitivty is reality, its just the wrong term, if one overfloods the system with carbs, the insulin sensitivity goes to shit and all macros are being used in suboptimal ways.
and carbs can make one fatter very quick, adding to the issue.
its just the wrong term,this carb sensitivity.
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Ok first apologies for snapping at you, I know you are only trying to help but you called me a dumb fuck which I am not.
But anyway moving on, yes you have a great physique but clearly it is not natural and you have already stated that you are on gear a number of times so we are essentially comparing apples with oranges.
Maybe, you have better genetics etc.
It's all irrelevant to me.
All I am trying to do is figuire out why I am incapable of losing body fat without losing substantial muscle no matter what I do.
You say its diet, training blah blah blah and think I am some kind of noob which I am not.
I am sure there must be underlying hormonal issues.
I am in the process of photo shopping some photo's and post them up along with the diet and training I was doing at the time.
Hey man if you can help me with my goals, you can call me friend for life, cos I am just the kind of guy who would do anything for my friends and people who help me cos I am just like that as a human being and a person. I am always trying to be a better person.
My being an asshole days are long gone.
anyway just wait for the pics and help me if you can, if not then god bless and good luck whatever you do man.
peace
I WAS GOING TO SUGGEST A PIC GOOD OR BAD TO SEE WHAT U ARE TALKING ABOUT IN TERMS OF CONDITION HI/LO CARB,SEV POSTED PIC TO PROVE POINT AND U ANSWERED LIKE GENTLEMAN ,,SO WE WILL SEE..
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if he cant have carbs he can jjust add more fats,thatll do.
btw some amoutn of carb sensitivty is reality, its just the wrong term, if one overfloods the system with carbs, the insulin sensitivity goes to shit and all macros are being used in suboptimal ways.
and carbs can make one fatter very quick, adding to the issue.
its just the wrong term,this carb sensitivity.
I thought years ago the same about myself.. that I was carb sensitive .. I came to realize that the correct diagnose was "being a whiny bitch" ;D
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if he cant have carbs he can jjust add more fats,thatll do.
btw some amoutn of carb sensitivty is reality, its just the wrong term, if one overfloods the system with carbs, the insulin sensitivity goes to shit and all macros are being used in suboptimal ways.
and carbs can make one fatter very quick, adding to the issue.
its just the wrong term,this carb sensitivity.
Correct. Some people's insulin/carb sensitivity or whatever you want to call it doesn't work quickly or accurately enough. When someone's classified as a Type II Diabetic that means they're to the point where their insulin release and macronutrient partitioning is shot, requiring medical intervention with glucose disposal agents and/or exogenous insulin.
This guy isn't "carb sensitive". He just feels small if it doesn't eat enough carbs. Completely incorrect term he's using. A better one would be fearful permabulker. Everyone's been there at one point. You just have to look in the mirror and face the facts. Fix what you see in the mirror, don't worry about measurements or t-shirt sizes. He really needs to forget everything he thinks he knows and start committing to the advices in this thread. Without full commitment, he'll just hover where he is currently.
Uncle Junior, you have some of the best gurus offering their assistance. I urge you to listen to them. I used to be skinny, then I got fat and thought I was hyuuge, then I listened to people on these boards and got thick and shredded... so I dunno. I got in amazing shape listening to these guys. You have nothing to lose.
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Yes dustin.. post the sick vascular ripped photo so people realize you know your nutrition..
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I resonate with him because he simply makes sense .. to me at least. I would encourage anyone, pro or gymrat, to contact him for bodybuilding advice. To me he is the best I have seen (and I worked with a top 10 Mr O before and many others)..
:-[ Thanks! I'm just happy if I can help in a small way even one person. There are a lot of smart guys on here. this board is at times insane, but prob the best when it comes to people that know their shit. Props to you guys!!
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Relax .. eat lean meats bittergreen veggies also leafy ones .. and some healthy fats .. drop the carbs, the hgh, the insane amounts of training... spend maximum of 1 hour a day 6 days a week in the gym .. That's all.. you will feel and look better.
My best friend was doing something similar to you. Then, he did what I just told you to do. This is what happened to him..
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/1209134_10151714820833645_1882566132_n.jpg)
That's a nice look in the "after". Maintainable.
How long did that take sev? Do u do coaching?
I see you like a high protein low carb lie fat diet? Disgusted advocates a higher fat keto diet? Or aim mistaken.
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Yes dustin.. post the sick vascular ripped photo so people realize you know your nutrition..
I learned pretty much everything here. I was brainwashed with bb.com propaganda and used to organize my chicken and steak bins and measure out brown rice. I get sick thinking about all that dry gross food that I ate way too much of. Listen to Disgusted, sev and gal. They have logical, effective and REALISTIC advices and that's what makes it work.
Here's a picture of me off all gear just before starting gonadotropins. Endo wouldn't write the script until my test levels were where they should be (I was 0ng/dl lol). Please ignore the horrible beer in the background too, I promise I don't drink that shit normally. Sorry for the shitty editing lol
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It took him 3 months between the 2 shots. I did his diet and stack (after he ditched the fat naturally he got on hormones for 4 weeks)
My diet is protein, greens, healthy fats .. for weight-loss
For getting ripped, I do lean meats and greens..nothing else. Disgusted does the same I believe. He can chime in if I am wrong
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/559844_10151870011043645_424770982_n.jpg)
Here's what I eat normally (for burning fat without drugs)
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/581619_10151714834748645_1174177237_n.jpg)(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/1239392_10151714834738645_93769739_n.jpg)(https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/970323_10151714837533645_211415032_n.jpg)
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This is a few days worth of food..
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/600910_10151879705218645_226489240_n.jpg)
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arent you on scripted growth
that can mess your system up
regarding insulin sensitivity etc
he is and yes.
by his blood glucose levels alone, its obvious the insulin sensitivty is quite bad for him.
he says carbs make the muscle grow, lol, this is ridiculous.the body doesnt work like that.
if that were the case one could eat 100% carbs only and grow muscle, i dont see that happening.
carbs cannot physicaly be turned into muscle.carbs can only help prevent muscle tissue from fading during diet, or encourage more protein to be turned into muscle.
hes forgiven, hes very small as of now, he will learn if he grows some size eventualy.
it comes down to this.
train hard.inject often, eat plenty protein, and bit of the other macros.
and give it time.thats it.time.
sure with the muscle groth there will be times of water bloat, so what,thats the price
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It took him 3 months between the 2 shots. I did his diet and stack (after he ditched the fat naturally he got on hormones for 4 weeks)
My diet is protein, greens, healthy fats .. for weight-loss
For getting ripped, I do lean meats and greens..nothing else. Disgusted does the same I believe. He can chime in if I am wrong
Here's what I eat normally (for burning fat without drugs)
Yep I use beef fish chicken eggs greens. I keep it simple adjust things when needed, this is key!! to keep the progress going, that's the hardest part of it.
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This can not be true anymore that you could breath under water. A lot of times when people get fat they feel like they are big and or growing more.
ha yes this is tyoical.
i forgot this reasining bc i lost that mindset long ago.
as soon the clthes fit much tighter evry quickly, something s wrong.
whats growing is not muscle.
allways watch the midsection.always.
i read 3 very good scientific books on the matter, all from reputated docs and profesors,the body will first build up visceral fat, it wont show subcutane.
by the time the subcutane fat becomes obvious, the body has already fattened up badly insid the gut.badly.
good thing, the visceral fat can be done away wuickly with the proper,but drastic measures.
obvious point,but typical for newcomers.
they overestimate how fast or slow muscle grow.
the water and cellular inside muscle bloof up has nothing to do with muscle growht.
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Personally,I do eat carbs as I just like them,but I always keep them very low.
I don`t see how some guys on the web,no matter how fucking big they are talk about eating 600-1000 grams of carbs ED......WTF ???
A surefire recipe to get fat in a hurry in my opinion.
Here`s a tip I tell almost anyone who wants to trim down, and that is to either train in a fasted state,or to train without any carbs in the system......starchy carbs that is.
From my experience,most people who say they need carbs while dieting just lack discipline.
Spiking your insulin levels to skyhigh proportions throughout the day and night will get you fat since insulin is a fat storage hormones.
A bit off topic kind of,but fatties who sit and eat sugary junk all day are constantly spiking their insulin levels and look where it gets them.
Carbs are NOT an essential macronutrient!!
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btw another thing about "carb sensitive".
yeah if one eats too many every day every meal, and is on gear which converts to estrogen AND is fat(bbuilding 10% IS fat, make no delusions about this), its gonna be a huge mess of water bloat recipe.
or when one eats 0 carbs then goes to 500 next day, could store some water, sure.
no need to panic if the day after you eat 200 only youll appear much less boaty and better leans.
must learn how man carbs body can store or its all doomed to failure.
the more real muscle and the better insulin sensitivity,the more carbs one can get away with a.easy as.
and well, duh,activity levels.sitting at home waiting for the growth to kick in will not burn much energy.and the 30minutes in gym swining dumbells burns fuck all calories,lol.
to much eating is always the logical counter effect of a general lazy person.
a well filled person wont feel much like moving around alot.
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It's genetics
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sorry this shit is not working saying file too big, will sort out later
It would be sad if you would turn out to be a gimmick.
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Uncle Juniors pics already posted here:
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=512460.100
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Jesus christ have a little bit of faith I just spend half an hour downloading this gimp shit, then scribbling crap all over my face on whole of 12 pics, trying to upload them for it to first say, it only accepts gif and jpg file extentions, then changed all the file extention's for it to say file too big.
right now i want to punch a wall.
I am so fed up with life, really I am.
I am going to smoke a cigarette and try doing it again, cos that's what I am like, I won't quit something I started till I finish it, even though its 12.00 at night, im tired and i have to get to go to gym at 6.00 tomorrow before starting work at 9.00
I am really a gimmick, this doesn't mean jack shit to me off course not, I didn't spent all my life last year living in the gym and losing 80lbs in 7 months.
You will understand once I post pics.
If this is you, you are 2 months away from 8% or even less if you do what I suggested ..
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=512460.0;attach=547779;image)
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You know what he means, it just needs to be read between the lines.
He means he's a fatass. He feels "skinny" without carbs, so he feasts all day because when his fatceps lose circumference it makes him feel small and subsequently insecure. That's why he thinks "carbs build his muscles" and eats way too much.
Well, eating carbs will mean a lot of glycogen retention in the skeletal muscle, considering how most of the volume is water + carbs or glycogen. But this guy's just fat, overthinks, and also thinks he knows more than he does which is a dangerous combination. Disgusted, you are a guru and shouldn't give this kid the time of day because he's dead set in his ways. I predict it will take a good 2-3 more years of overanalyzing and reading boards before this guy will truly get it.
Unfortunately this kid doesn't understand that he's arguing with a guru. Whatever Disgusted says, you can be assured that at least a solid 99.9% of it will be indisputable. He'll have more luck if he just drops everything he "knows" and blindly listens to Disgusted because he won't be steered wrong. I wouldn't waste anymore effort on this guy. We've all met the bodybuilding-know-it-alls before that are 20% body fat, read everything on the internet, and "do everything correctly" already.
yeah its funny he arguing with a guy who knows all the details etc and has prepped many to look phenomenal.
and yeah the carbo loading,and overeating.
works short term and then suddenly the insulin sensitivity is destroyed, and the muscles seem and feel flat even though one is severly overeating.
and by now, some 10-20lbs of pure fat have been gained.
the road to leans will be paved by alot feeling thin and depleted.many never pull it off,its too hard mentaly,thinking theyre small.
its easy, when youre small, youre small.
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I need my carbs when I diet , sweet potatos ,brown rice , rice cakes , oatmeal .
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don't bother Disgusted, I have already offered him advice but he insist with this 500 grams a day of carbs because bla bla bla
no such thing as carb sensitivity by the way .. another dude with fixed ideas
Yup. That mindset halts or prevents one's progress as much as anything.
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Listen. You don't have much muscle and you will not loose that much either. You have no business stepping on a scale. Just do what I suggested and stop trying to explain all this stuff. Best of luck to you.
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I need my carbs when I diet , sweet potatos ,brown rice , rice cakes , oatmeal .
I have noticed this with people who have very fast metabolism. Obviously not Junior's case.
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listen man usually I do the pics from my iphone, I just downloaded this gimp piece of shit software that doesn't work on the pics i have on my computer, I am working on it now.
I don't lie man, I ain't like that
Aren't you british?
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Why is he acting like he doesn't know how to upload pics in this thread?
That`s what I was thinking because I distinctly remembered him posting those pics. ???
Gimmick ?
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Disgusted or anyone, I've ran test and tren before with no AI or nothing, no issues. Dose like 300-500 in total.
Running npp for first time, 400mg a week - feel like shit for over a week, like test flu? Is my estrogen/prolactin high...got some adex on way but man...
adex wont help with da,npp and tren sides.
I need my carbs when I diet , sweet potatos ,brown rice , rice cakes , oatmeal .
need and want not the same thing.
but yeah no problem one can get all striated everything with carbs in diet.
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I have noticed this with people who have very fast metabolism. Obviously not Junior's case.
i have quite fast metabolism, bc being active alot etc.
i could have same conditioning on 200g carbs daily no problemo, i just choose to not have as many.
but 200 seems to be the tipping point,lol.
goes better if i altnernate the intake all couple days for some reason
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here's me getting shredded without drugs at 100g carbs a day
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need and want not the same thing.
C'mon Gayleniko I've been doing this shit longer than WES
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Bro I am listening, trust me I am listening. I had a lot more muscle.
you mistake fat and water for muscle size. Muscles are sponges. Think of them this way. Learn to get really lean and THEN you'll see whatever muscle you have. If you are going to go on and on about I don't know what it's clear that you do not comprehend ANY of this.. or you are here just to stir shit up
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Correct. Some people's insulin/carb sensitivity or whatever you want to call it doesn't work quickly or accurately enough. When someone's classified as a Type II Diabetic that means they're to the point where their insulin release and macronutrient partitioning is shot, requiring medical intervention with glucose disposal agents and/or exogenous insulin.
This guy isn't "carb sensitive". He just feels small if it doesn't eat enough carbs. Completely incorrect term he's using. A better one would be fearful permabulker. Everyone's been there at one point. You just have to look in the mirror and face the facts. Fix what you see in the mirror, don't worry about measurements or t-shirt sizes. He really needs to forget everything he thinks he knows and start committing to the advices in this thread. Without full commitment, he'll just hover where he is currently.
Uncle Junior, you have some of the best gurus offering their assistance. I urge you to listen to them. I used to be skinny, then I got fat and thought I was hyuuge, then I listened to people on these boards and got thick and shredded... so I dunno. I got in amazing shape listening to these guys. You have nothing to lose.
yes agreed, but the type 2 diabetes issue is fixable reltaively quickly with some drastic methods.i certainly would go for it.
he posted his glucose levels, fasted is quite very high and had one reading post meal that put him into diabetes 2 territory.
indeed hes getting the best advice here he could hope for.free and honest.
all all of it is consistent.should say everything,really.
C'mon Gayleniko I've been doing this shit longer than WES
yah i know you had plenty more injections than wes ;D
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yah i know you had plenty more injections than wes ;D
What ? I thought WES was natural
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you mistake fat and water for muscle size. Muscles are sponges. Think of them this way. Learn to get really lean and THEN you'll see whatever muscle you have. If you are going to go on and on about I don't know what it's clear that you do not comprehend ANY of this.. or you are here just to stir shit up
yes.
one can only understand true muscle size if they been in the 5% fat range.
before that, one cant even have a clue.
they feel they not realy as big as they want and try to compensate with the carbing up, eating up.
but the real truth is, the size you really got is whats left when at 5% and depleted.that will be the true size.
on the scale the numbers gona be dissapointing.
in the mirror,the result will be henomenal
What ? I thought WES was natural
hes pergfectly natural, he only uses that supplement with a label on it saying "trenbolona"
hes a true all hard work, haevy eating, repping 400 kinda guy 8)
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What ? I thought WES was natural
Naturally good looking! ;)
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sorry don't buy that's natty, you probably used before then stopped, talking about someone who has never used PEDS ever.
Every time you cycle say you gain 20lbs and when you go off you keep 5lb, do that over and over, you are going to have a massive advantage over someone who has never done AA's before.
Also were you ever 253lb @ 40% BF?????
I told you I lost 80lb in 7 months.
I don't have a normal matabolism, I have a fucked up bordeline diabetic one probably.
I am not hating, I am actually giving you lots of props and praise but are you being realistic with my situation and background etc
the right pic is 100% clean .. left is waay before and obviously on something
you DON'T GET IT!
stop fucking yapping about your imaginary diabetes and your 80 lbs loss... here, to shut you up, here's my client who lost 135 lbs in 8 months. You remind me of him (I told him that I will stop helping him if he stops talking idiotic nonsense)
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/544551_10151714821298645_366133897_n.jpg)
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:-[ Thanks! I'm just happy if I can help in a small way even one person. There are a lot of smart guys on here. this board is at times insane, but prob the best when it comes to people that know their shit. Props to you guys!!
agreed.
i checke other boards.its filled with lies etc.
here can be the best place under the right crcumstances.
i find youre the number 1 undisputed imo.
no homo
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You think you are presenting some fucking new situation never seen before? Sometimes I think people like you deserve to be left alone ..
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I learned pretty much everything here. I was brainwashed with bb.com propaganda and used to organize my chicken and steak bins and measure out brown rice. I get sick thinking about all that dry gross food that I ate way too much of. Listen to Disgusted, sev and gal. They have logical, effective and REALISTIC advices and that's what makes it work.
Here's a picture of me off all gear just before starting gonadotropins. Endo wouldn't write the script until my test levels were where they should be (I was 0ng/dl lol). Please ignore the horrible beer in the background too, I promise I don't drink that shit normally. Sorry for the shitty editing lol
looking very good there bro and thanks fgor the props glad was of help 8)
who cares about the few beers here and there as long ots not shitto81 levels where its drank as if its water
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Just reaction to a new compound. Will go away in a couple weeks. NPP is quick acting.
So I shouldn't throw in an AI, just wait it out?
adex wont help with da,npp and tren sides.
What if its to do with estrogen though? The only side I have is that I feel like shit...which is normally associated with high E?
Cheers
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Personally,I do eat carbs as I just like them,but I always keep them very low.
I don`t see how some guys on the web,no matter how fucking big they are talk about eating 600-1000 grams of carbs ED......WTF ???
A surefire recipe to get fat in a hurry in my opinion.
Here`s a tip I tell almost anyone who wants to trim down, and that is to either train in a fasted state,or to train without any carbs in the system......starchy carbs that is.
From my experience,most people who say they need carbs while dieting just lack discipline.
Spiking your insulin levels to skyhigh proportions throughout the day and night will get you fat since insulin is a fat storage hormones.
A bit off topic kind of,but fatties who sit and eat sugary junk all day are constantly spiking their insulin levels and look where it gets them.
Carbs are NOT an essential macronutrient!!
yah the old "need" carbs excuse.
itll only worsed the feel of need when the bloodsugar comes back down crashing.
even if ppl use carbs smartly, its not gonna be the tasty sugars all day,hell no.
to burn fat, there must be the combo of low blood sugar levels and low serum insulin levels.period.it wont work otherwise.
now if one has bit carbs 6 times a day he will still burn fat in the time post bloodsugar spike.he will just take longer than the no carb guy.
as for the 600gramm carbs a day dieters, well, insulin needs and they train twice daily and do hours of cardio daily, so i see it could work.but many just lie,to be special.
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It's genetics
haha brutal pic.
btw see thats not even sooo much food for 1 day, but brutal calories.brutal.
and these ppl ask how can i lose weight haha.
her fat,swine-like face with the confident dumb grin i could kick it until my leg falls off
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yah the old "need" carbs excuse.
itll only worsed the feel of need when the bloodsugar comes back down crashing.
even if ppl use carbs smartly, its not gonna be the tasty sugars all day,hell no.
to burn fat, there must be the combo of low blood sugar levels and low serum insulin levels.period.it wont work otherwise.
now if one has bit carbs 6 times a day he will still burn fat in the time post bloodsugar spike.he will just take longer than the no carb guy.
as for the 600gramm carbs a day dieters, well, insulin needs and they train twice daily and do hours of cardio daily, so i see it could work.but many just lie,to be special.
QFT
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In the absense of carbs,fat is burnt as fuel.
May be just bro-science,but this is what I have always found to be true.
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So I shouldn't throw in an AI, just wait it out?
What if its to do with estrogen though? The only side I have is that I feel like shit...which is normally associated with high E?
Cheers
lol adex is certainly no make feel good supplement ;D
i have no idea what it is, maybe just reaction to new compound.
if it dont go away switch back to what makes you feel good
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In the absense of carbs,fat is burnt as fuel.
May be just bro-science,but this is what I have always found to be true.
i believe in caloris in caloris out principle
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In the absense of carbs,fat is burnt as fuel.
May be just bro-science,but this is what I have always found to be true.
is bit more complicated than that,but yeah thats about how it works.
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is bit more complicated than that,but yeah thats about how it works.
You know me bro,I could get all scientific,but I choose to play dumb on here!
It`s working out well so far! LOL ;D
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i believe in caloris in caloris out principle
it`s bit more complicated than that :D
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it`s bit more complicated than that :D
it may seem that way but it really isnt
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it may seem that way but it really isnt
No you`re correct,that is the basic tenet of losing weight/fat for sure.
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No you`re correct,that is the basic tenet of losing weight/fat for sure.
with all the obesity in the world today and all these diet progams, books and show are just smoke and mirrors
ppl need to stop shoveling food down their face if they wanna get thin
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it`s bit more complicated than that :D
like when ukjeff(happy new year mate btw,and all the best, im sure youre reading lol)said just at less than you burn.
he didnt say eat whatever,he said he eats whatever he feels like.if he feels like having a bisquit he has one(one,lol).
then he posted his diet, it was basicaly mostly protein, fair amount of carbs,little fat.
but key was mostly protein.
i will never forget the small important hint "i eat whatever i want" ;D
this doesnt mean anyone can eat whatever they want and get shredded, bc if i did that, id be eating icecream and chocoate all the time, they by far my fav foods :D
with all the obesity in the world today and all these diet progams, books and show are just smoke and mirrors
ppl need to stop shoveling food down their face if they wanna get thin
yes the non working out mere mortals just should eat less of whatevr theyre eating
theyll still be fucked, but better off.
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like when ukjeff(happy new year mate btw,and all the best, im sure youre reading lol)said just at less than you burn.
he didnt say eat whatever,he said he eats whatever he feels like.if he feels like having a bisquit he has one(one,lol).
then he posted his diet, it was basicaly mostly protein, fair amount of carbs,little fat.
but key was mostly protein.
i will never forget the small important hint "i eat whatever i want" ;D
this doesnt mean anyone can eat whatever they want and get shredded, bc if i did that, id be eating icecream and chocoate all the time, they by far my fav foods :D
yes the non working out mere mortals just should eat less of whatevr theyre eating
theyll still be fucked, but better off.
once they are down to auswitch mode they can start from scratch and blow up right on legit kigs
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looking very good there bro and thanks fgor the props glad was of help 8)
who cares about the few beers here and there as long ots not shitto81 levels where its drank as if its water
I'm just embarrassed that it's Mexican beer lol
Once one figures out how to get lean it's an easy formula. It's just adherence that is tough. I have a big family that likes food so my key is to fast intermittently. I always give myself a buffer so if I want to pig out then it won't be a detriment.
Everyone has to find out what works for them. I finally figured it out. 8)
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My best friend was doing something similar to you. Then, he did what I just told you to do. This is what happened to him..
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you put your buddy on roids to turn him into that beast?
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you put your buddy on roids to turn him into that beast?
It was only a month not clean. He's showing the results from getting lean first.
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So let me get this correct. You need to be below 10% bf before you start juicing?
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So let me get this correct. You need to be below 10% bf before you start juicing?
youll be much better off.
can start at 25% too, but youre better off when lean.
a fatso will have epic blood pressure issues when going on steroids, remember cswols purple face?
and all the food will go to all the wrong places.
if ones fatter than 10% and goes on gear, best to jump immediately on diet.if steroids must be.,
another things, the bodys fat cells produce estrogens.now if you add highly aromatizing steroids to that, its gonna be hard to lose fat.
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youll be much better off.
can start at 25% too, but youre better off when lean.
a fatso will have epic blood pressure issues when going on steroids, remember cswols purple face?
and all the food will go to all the wrong places.
if ones fatter than 10% and goes on gear, best to jump immediately on diet.if steroids must be.,
another things, the bodys fat cells produce estrogens.now if you add highly aromatizing steroids to that, its gonna be hard to lose fat.
at high bf use mild anabolics
and only when cutting hard
you wont get bad sides then
bad diet, high body fat and androgens equals disaster
i know from experience :-[
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yep, high estrogen messes with thyroid hormones which regulate metabolism...
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you put your buddy on roids to turn him into that beast?
yes .. with a 4 week cycle he achieved that look which is pretty decent in my opinion. I know you look like shit because ANYONE who ever looked at least as good as him would give him props. This is not a seasoned bodybuilder but a former k1 fighter who learned bodybuilding 3 years ago and this was his second 4 week cycle ever.
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Listen brother I am not arguing with you, I am simply giving you the facts, ask galienko, fasting blood glucose levels of 6.2 nmol/l are not normal.
Anyway look if you are willing to help me and coach me I would gladly pay you.
But as a personal trainer I wouldn't be so quick to pre judge my clients without knowing their full history.
we will continue this conversation once I have posted some pics.
You have no idea I fat I was before, what I have done natty is nothing short of remarkable.
But I am not here looking for props or kudos, cos I am not happy, I am very unhappy, I am looking for people to take me to the next level.
Do me a favor and don't question my discipline or integrity or my heart and commitment cos I have those atributes in abundance.
anyway I'm tired and pissed off i need to sleep we talk tomorrow.
thanks for all you advice I don't want you to think it is not appreciated it because it most definately is.
also thank you very much to galienko for all the help, means alot.
all the best lads.
hope to emmulate in 2014.
I ain't a quitter.
god bless
I am supportive of ou but you think you have some sort of intergalactic anomaly in your genetics which you do not. I do not bother with a prospective client who talks like you. The amount of money I charge for a transformation is not worth the headache to be honest to deal with this and that. I don't care about medical records. I teach you to eat healthy with a few twists. It is simple, straight forward and I believe I am more of a support system than anything .. I already told you what to eat and what to do in the gym.
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isnt the normal range 4 to 9
I don't see the problem with 6?
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isnt the normal range 4 to 9
I don't see the problem with 6?
there is no problem really
I'll tell you a story bigmc..
Yesterday I get a call from a friend .. "Gave your number to a guy, will call you for diet". Ok then. I meet the guy at night after working out. We sit down and like 90% of the people I meet for the first time he starts telling me his life story and what he eats (like him being 300lbs was not obvious enough that he is not a broccoli addict). He gets a cofee with BROWN sugar (because he wants to make the healthy choice ::) ).. and recieves a chocolate cookie on the side. I look at him yapping and think to myself (no way no how this guy will ever diet). Basically he has been fat since he was 8-10yo and hasn't stopped since. Family man, wife is very pretty and slim even after 2 kids. At this point I am 100% positive we will not work together. So I explained once more what my conditions are, he talked for another 1/2 an hour about his schedule, how he has to put his family first, etc. At the end, he told me he has a party on the 20th, and he will analyze the information and let it digest until then, then he'll contact me if he decides ;D
This morning someone woke me up with a call about a diet. We talked previously and he wanted to start after the holidays. I agreed and was surprised he followed through determined even.
Over the past 10 years, I helped over 100 people lose weight and talked to roughly 250-300 prospective clients like this guy. Here's what have learned ..
"I will think about it" means he'll never do it.
Better to refuse helping a person if they are going to be undisciplined because they always blame it on you and bad publicity is just bad especially in a small town.
The ones serious about it, do not negociate or hesitate.
1 out of 10 will be disciplined and easy to work with.
when I was not sure of myself and did not understand things they doubted me .. when you know your stuff people never question you
before, my completion rate was 2/10 .. nowadays is 8/10 ..
you have to understand people and learn when to be gentle and permisive and when to be firm ,, it depends on the situation and the person
some people cannot be disciplined even though they try .. their impulses are stronger than their will .. don't beat yourself over it
the people who complete what they start with you, are great business cards and the BEST publicity
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great post man :)
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If I had a nickel for every diet that I wrote out to help people get in shape, only to find that they never lasted more than a day or two,I`d be rich.
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If I had a nickel for every diet that I wrote out to help people get in shape, only to find that they never lasted more than a day or two,I`d be rich.
did they have nickels when you first started writing out diet plans
come to think of it did they have paper
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did the have nickels when you first started writing out diet plans
come to think of it did they have paper
;D
Just woke up,too early to think up a witty retort! LOL :D
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If I had a nickel for every diet that I wrote out to help people get in shape, only to find that they never lasted more than a day or two,I`d be rich.
x2
I don't even want to help people anymore even when they seem sincere
too many let downs and waste of my time
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did the have nickels when you first started writing out diet plans
come to think of it did they have paper
;D
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I don't even want to help people anymore even when they seem sincere
too many let downs and waste of my time
I avoid helping people also these days,unless they are a paying client.
I used to help tons of people out who were enthusiastic for a day to a week,only to quit once they realized it took work to get into shape and that just showing up at the gym wasn`t gonna` do it.
Total waste of my time.
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I avoid helping people also these days,unless they are a paying client.
I used to help tons of people out who were enthusiastic for a day to a week,only to quit once they realized it took work to get into shape and that just showing up at the gym wasn`t gonna` do it.
Total waste of my time.
Most guys are more in love with the possible end result than "the journey" itself...
Good genetics help a lot, but it's mainly a mentality thing.
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did the have nickels when you first started writing out diet plans
come to think of it did they have paper
Papyrus, bro. 8)
I avoid helping people also these days,unless they are a paying client.
I used to help tons of people out who were enthusiastic for a day to a week,only to quit once they realized it took work to get into shape and that just showing up at the gym wasn`t gonna` do it.
Total waste of my time.
Same here. I used to stay up all night writing elite diet and training plans, watching people workout and formulating the most realistic, balanced and achievable plans of all time. They were specifically tailored and absolutely guaranteed to get them in the best shape, because I'd be there every step making sure they were successful. Then I realized that those people just held out hope that I could sell them a magic diet pill or something and would barely do one or two workouts.
Are you fucking kidding me!? I'd tell them I'm not a dealer and I don't have magic pills. They'd still elbow me and shyly try to coerce me into selling me the secret pills. I TOLD THEM, THERE AREN'T ANY FUCKING SECRET PILLS!!! I poured me soul into what I did for people and all they really wanted was clen tabs or something, like it'd even do anything for their fat ass other than give them a heart attack. I don't help people at all anymore. I just tell them "Google it, bro. That's all I did". Fuck em!
Never do anything for free. There's no value in it and people will not give a shit. Charge them money and maybe they'll give it a shot. Lazy pieces of shit.
/roidrage ;D
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I need my carbs when I diet , sweet potatos ,brown rice , rice cakes , oatmeal .
Same here.
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Great thread! Been some solid info on here lately.
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I tried every possible approach. I tell people ahead of time what the diet consists of. Some friend were like "Dude, why are you telling them what's in the diet for free??"
"Relax, they need me not the diet details" ;D
I have never ever seen anyone do it on their own. On my facebook page I even have pics of everything I eat..posted them here as well. Every detail is there. I have a whole chapter in my book detailing the diet and training.
They need someone to help them UNDERSTAND then and guide them through the process. That's what they pay for.. Cause the technicalities are simple really.
Do you think Junior will take my exact advice and get in shape? No. He'll remain carb sensitive ;D
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I wrote a plan for a member of staff a few years ago
I spent hour detailing diet and training for three months
two hours later I caught her eating a take away pizza
that was the last time I bothered
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::)
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see Junior? posts like this tell me you are a gimmick ;)
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see Junior? posts like this tell me you are a gimmick ;)
Either that or a roid rage meltdown ;D
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You wanna call me you can i'll give you my number and then we can chat, you wanna skype we can skype.
I ain't no gimmic
I am an honest person
you said that none of us can hang with you on low carbs .. 3-4 hours of mma..we take lots of drugs, etc
do you realize that there are people here who used to be athletes? or serious competitors who have done this to all possible extremes? or trainers who got hundreds of people into shape? or people like coach who trains some top MMA guys?
bottom line is, I want to give you the benefit of the doubt, but your posts scream idiot gimmick .. maybe I am wrong ::)
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Listen cleanest I have no problem with you, I actually respect you alot, the issue here is that I have multiple goals I am trying to manage.
good luck to you
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Listen cleanest I have no problem with you, I actually respect you alot, the issue here is that I have multiple goals I am trying to manage.
Study time management.
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watch this: (12.49) this is what happens when an elite bodybuilder + fitness model Rob Ritches try's training MMA cardio, this is a guy who is already highly athletic and on lots of gear. Rob actually used to train at Hooks gym, so I used to see him train all the time.
You think you can do this kind of training on 100g of carbs a day?????? Try it and let me know which hospital you want me to come get you from.
I can barely hop in one leg let alone run .. but I feel ofended when you compare me with this uncoordonated professional polesmoker
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Now I am 100% convinced that you are a gimmick and an idiot. ;)
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Listen cleanest I have no problem with you, I actually respect you alot, the issue here is that I have multiple cocks I am trying to massage.
:o
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watch this: (12.49) this is what happens when an elite bodybuilder + fitness model Rob Ritches try's training MMA cardio, this is a guy who is already highly athletic and on lots of gear. Rob actually used to train at Hooks gym, so I used to see him train all the time.
You think you can do this kind of training on 100g of carbs a day?????? Try it and let me know which hospital you want me to come get you from.
You're the last person on these boards that should be baiting people. You're pre-diabetic or possibly a full blown diabetic.
Go to the doctor and get a fasted glucose tolerance test and get some glucose disposal agents. You should at least be on metformin. And stop believing all the shit you read from all the mainstream losers. Everything you need to know is in this thread.
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watch this: (12.49) this is what happens when an elite bodybuilder + fitness model Rob Ritches try's training MMA cardio, this is a guy who is already highly athletic and on lots of gear. Rob actually used to train at Hooks gym, so I used to see him train all the time.
You think you can do this kind of training on 100g of carbs a day?????? Try it and let me know which hospital you want me to come get you from.
Thought I would come back on GB and check things out. Sevaste and I share the opinion on the whole bulk thing so I checked this thread out. Couple of things....
What does a "fitness model" have to do with this guys cardio level?
I don't consume more that 100gm of carbs per day and I am doing my CF workouts without ending up in the hospital. What does "lots of gear" have to do with assuming this guy can hang with some sort of cardio workout?
If you don't train for recovery from high intensity training you will gas super quick. I have to go back to some plain old school lifting for a while due to my body taking a shit storm beating and I am finding that what used to gas me before (doing 15+ rep ranges on deads) is next to nothing now.
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Clean or enhance,alive or dead,I`d train Uncle Junior right into the ground.
I pride myself on eating thunda` and crappin` lightnin` ! ;D
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Thought I would come back on GB and check things out. Sevaste and I share the opinion on the whole bulk thing so I checked this thread out. Couple of things....
What does a "fitness model" have to do with this guys cardio level?
I don't consume more that 100gm of carbs per day and I am doing my CF workouts without ending up in the hospital. What does "lots of gear" have to do with assuming this guy can hang with some sort of cardio workout?
If you don't train for recovery from high intensity training you will gas super quick. I have to go back to some plain old school lifting for a while due to my body taking a shit storm beating and I am finding that what used to gas me before (doing 15+ rep ranges on deads) is next to nothing now.
Curt in the house!!
What`s up buddy,hope all is good! ;)
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I eat thunda` and crap` lightnin` ! ;D
Metamucil would help with that plus some prune juice.
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:'(
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Another thing I used to do that I don`t do any longer is that I would see a person doing an exercise with the most atrocious form......in most cases at their stage of "development",they didn`t need that exercises anyway,but I digress............I would offer advice on how to do it correctly for best results, and they`d look at me like I was insane.
I actually had one wise ass ask me if I was an authority on exercise...I told him quite frankly that I was!
The advice was unsolicited,so my bad,but I was only trying to help.
This was in recent times,back in the day people would actually listen to you.
No more advice from me.
Like this older black dude at my gym used to tell me:
"Fuck them Tim,I`m gettin` mine" !! :D
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Some thread backfire of peace here :D
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Curt in the house!!
What`s up buddy,hope all is good! ;)
Not much. I am fucking beat up. Shoulders, knees, low back. Have to take a slight break from my training. Going back to some boring ass BBing workouts... FML
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Not much. I am fucking beat up. Shoulders, knees, low back. Have to take a slight break from my training. Going back to some boring ass BBing workouts... FML
Sorry to hear it bud.............I just got back in the gym this very day.
Two week layoff due to the gym being closed but couldn`t have happened at a better time as I was burnt out and my elbows and bicep tendon were acting up.
Glad you`re back and go easy bro.
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I am no expert but I know what I know and nothing can change that. Am more than happy to share. I have learned the best stuff here on getbig believe it or not.
Stronger? nowadays I surely hope you are ;D (I use baby weights)
Better physique? good luck .. post something better than this and I will definitely give you props my friend.
cover shot for "Mens fitness" right there :)
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Not much. I am fucking beat up. Shoulders, knees, low back. Have to take a slight break from my training. Going back to some boring ass BBing workouts... FML
krankenstein
tell getbig
more about
how great
crosfit is
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krankenstein
tell getbig
more about
how great
crosfit is
I call it 'crucify-it'
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When you KNOW, there is no more judging involved. One instant and you recognize it. Intellect, AKA judging, is the bridge between ignorance and knowing. Knowing means being something.
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sex drive goes to shit when youre shredded anyway.it goes totaly to the shitter.
when you go to no mans land 4% bodyfat and on estrogen blockers, you wont even be physicaly able to have sex,lol.
esp on the way there.
when there, a slight cheat meal will drive up the sex drive.
but thats a long way to go and most never even get there once in the life.
Hi buddy
My fasting blood glucose levels were 5.5 and as high as 6.2
the 6.2 reading is terrible.
if it doesnt go down on the diet you wrote, youll need medication.
welcome to 21th century where a "normal" diet will make millions diabetic.
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I was under the impression that you wanted to bet ripped. Not the case? No problem, do what suits you.
I believe that getting in shape bodybuilding wise and cardio wise are not mutually exclusive. Try dieting. Nothing bad will happen .. learn to be open minded.
I feel that you are asking for help, and when you get opinions that contradict what you think you know, you become defensive. I have bumped into this before.
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yah cardio can burn fat while theres still glycogen in muscles, no doubt.
but not needed, i do it, but the diet is key.
to eat more only to have to burn in it boring cardio sessions is beyond my comprehension.
to get ripped, the diet will not be enjoyable, tasty, filling, nothing of those.
mostly will be pale, and hunger will be your shadow.
can settle for 8-10% instead with those little fatrols everywhere,to each their own
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nono you can bet, at 4-low 5% esp on estrogen blockers, sex drive is shot.in toilet.no genetic no individual thing.
you have no power nomore for nothing.
sometimes ppl are at 10% and think is kinda easy, few eeks diet to get totaly ripped.absolutely delusional, the last bits are terrible.
as an example let me list a female physique competitors regiment to get shreded.which btw she does.
here goes.
1300cals a day ,weight training daily almost and very daily 2-3 hr cardio.
this is ridiculous.for those who say galenio diet wqith 1000cals but no cardio is hard, haha, well try that girls aproach.
and yes,she got plenty mass and comes shredded.
concern about sexdrive is not important.
diet until its gone then eat more again.
too much thinkng is no good.
ripped female competitors, they ALL lose the menstruation before they realy ripped.al of them.
even those who dont do steroids.
and men go to lower bodyfat levels.go figure.
theres aprice for the shreddedness.
but as ive said, when there, a bit cheat calories will fix it.
and when in doubt.cialis, viagra.thats why they weremade
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There is no catch 22 but in your mind. Decide what you want... cannot have a cock up your ass and aspire to heaven at the same time.
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Jesus Christ ::)
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Welcome to a little town called realityville :)
In this realityville population is 1 ..
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There is no catch 22 but in your mind. Decide what you want... cannot have a cock up your ass and aspire to heaven at the same time.
Maybe a cock up his ass feels like heaven to him ??? ;D
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I'm only here for the 405 x 10 ass-to-floor squat video from the resident carb-loading MMA all natural stud, but Gal putting it in perspective as always.
I'm 2 days deep into 1200 cals of PSMF and hating my life already.
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Cool story bro, especially the conviction part.. except I have 4 herniated discs of my own and squatted 495 for a deep triple last month.
if this 'squat' is 6 inches above parallel then no need for a vid.
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Ok well let me break it down for you:
MMA Training =
-burn through a phenomenal amount of calories, muscle and glycogen
- I wore a bod pod once during a 3 and half hour session, it told me I burned through 2700 calories in that session alone (and this is a very accurate bod pod, not the cheapo shit ones)
- Let's say my BMR is something like 1800 calories and we can safely assume a normalish TDEE of 2500 calories for walking around, doing chores etc.
Therefore, if I am doing MMA training, I am going to have a TDEE of 5200 calories.
where and how the fuck do you think I can eat 5200 calories at 180lb a day if it is not going to contain a serious amount of carbs huh????
or maybe you think I can eat 5200 calories of protein and fat without fucking raping my kidneys and cholesterol???...hmmmm
The issue is that a calorie is not a calorie in my body and eating the 500g of carb which only equals 2000 of my 5200 caloric allowance to maintain weight will give me a phenomenal insulin response and make me store abdominal fat even though I will be stronger, feel full of energy etc.
Ok now lets take bodybuilding training:
-45 minute to one hour of weight training is going to burn anywhere between 400-600 calories for me.
-Again my BMR would be 1800 and lets say 2500 for other activities without training.
so lets say I eat 2500 calories a day and keep carbs to only 70g a day and get the rest from protein and fat.
Effectively I am consuming 1800-1900 calories (2500 -600 for the weight training etc)
NO CARDIO NEEDED
Bingo and perfect
This will get me lean and relatively shredded over time. (probably will need to reduce carbs and calories further but still you get the idea)
That's the catch 22 and compromise:
I don't believe anyway around this short of using PEDS
so you are right I have to decide whats more important being weak asthetic and have no sex drive to inflate my ego despite the fact I cant fuck or be around 15% BF strong as fuck, have a sex drive and have the skills to kick the shit out of someone who wants to mess with my girl who I actually can fuck because I have a sex drive and had the energy to do my MMA classes :)
Brutal overanalysing!! :D
Chicken,eggwhites, or fish with salad or veggies 4-5 X a day with plenty of water........carb up occasionally with starchy carbs.
HTH
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who else thinks this gimmick, junior, is full of shit?
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who else thinks this gimmick, junior, is full of shit?
Starting to look that way
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lean meats and greens .. no carbs. Disgusted advocates the same.
weak bone diet that silver guy uses and he broke his leg
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who else thinks this gimmick, junior, is full of shit?
(http://www.seriouslysassy.co.uk/site/SASS/UploadedResources/a%20raisedHand.jpg)
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who else thinks this gimmick, junior, is full of shit?
X 456, 000
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too bad .. I asked someone the other day .. why would a guy create a gimmick and act all crazy like this? It does not make sense to me ..why spend all that energy?
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A guy from my gym, flame on :D
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A guy from my gym, flame on :D
I have no words,except WTF !
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A guy from my gym, flame on :D
please please tel him personaly from me that hes a gross fatso swine,please do this.
whats he doing in the gym?janitor? ;D
does he lift weights there?dont look the way to me ???
brutal fat deepness at navek area, at very least 1 inch deep, his serratus swimming in fat.
if he ever gonna diet,it gonna be hell, and it will be nothing left of off him.dj-esque arms.
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I have no words,except WTF !
How can I train comfortable in my gym after seeing this? :-\
His own comment on this vid: "Lost a little to much weight in my opinion, so I upped my protein a bit and we'll see where it takes me in 2 weeks." ...
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what?hes trying to gain weight?
his floor will crash under him.
his freaking kneecaps are flooded in water and fat, something usualy only seen in obese or old fat women :-X
also, mother arms.
firthermore, epic birthgive-happy hips, a catastrophical structure for this sport.
his waist is literaly and factualy wider than his lats when he "spreads" them.
oh brother,what a monster.
he got some nerves to walk with ils
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good lord, now I don't feel so bad about my 6 month buffet binge..
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please please tel him personaly from me that hes a gross fatso swine,please do this.
whats he doing in the gym?janitor? ;D
does he lift weights there?dont look the way to me ???
brutal fat deepness at navek area, at very least 1 inch deep, his serratus swimming in fat.
if he ever gonna diet,it gonna be hell, and it will be nothing left of off him.dj-esque arms.
Yes, he even lifts. His style isn't perfect, but not that bad compared with most gym rats.
You're right, telling him the truth might hurt, but it could help him. I'm glad I trains earlier on the evening since his perma look hurts my eye (no homo).
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There is plenty of muscle under that fat. A few months on 1300-1500 calories, plenty of cardio and he
you would look great.
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Yes, he even lifts. His style isn't perfect, but not that bad compared with most gym rats.
You're right, telling him the truth might hurt, but it could help him. I'm glad I trains earlier on the evening since his perma look hurts my eye (no homo).
HAAAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
forget the fattie, look at the guy ont he machine next to him at 2:07min in the vid hahahahahahahahhahahaha
dear lord what a monster, barn door-esque width hahaha.
brutal dedication in face, the eye of the tiger hahahahahha.
id interrupt his set and ask him hey bro do you even lift ;D ;D ;D
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Just to let you know I haven't forgotten this thread super busy at work right now, everything I said I will do.
I am getting sick and tired of the insinuations, none of you know the first thing about me or my character. I actually feel insulted by some of the stuff being said.
"I am weak", "I lack discipline", "the old carb excuse" blah blah blah.
Let's be clear, you morons juice up and get into shape and somehow think you are so special and head and heels above the rest of the athletic community.
Let me tell you some home truths, not one of you motherfackers can roll with me even when I am natty and your on 4 grams of gear a week from a fuctional or cardio training point of view.
Anyway I really shouldn't let myself get irritated and annoyed with such none sense but yeah it really pissed me off when people talk shit and don't know the first thing about anything.
The sad part really is that there is nothing that we are actually disagreeing here about.
I have stated on this thread numerous times when I go low carbs i lose a lot of fat and weight.....this is always been the case.
The other part of the equation you don't see is that when you going low carb (like I have many times and currently doing) you son of a bitches are not working out intense for 4 hours a day doing MMA and shit, you doing your pussy 45 minutes weights + walking on a treadmill like an elephant at 3 kilometers and hour not to mention the fact you all juice and then you wanna call me out and take shots at me?????
Get real.
Stop bitching about juicing you friggin baby. These guy's have given you some excellent info (natty or enhanced makes no difference) & your still bitching about low carbs/losing muscle bullshit. Your not the special snowflake you think you are.
Life time natty Muay Thai figher/lifter. This pic was nearly a year ago, I'm leaner now still 200LB & I'm almost 40years old. You got no excuses.
(http://s12.postimg.org/ws9k3wfsd/IMG_0522.jpg)
Yes, I've been fat before (240LB) so I know exactly what it's like.
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never short on laughs when cbuzz decides to post pics
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never short on laughs when cbuzz decides to post pics
he actualy looks solidly improved in that pic.
if he lost the remaining abs fat, would look very good swimmer look.
no joke.
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Every time I get to wondering why I even keep training,I`m gonna` remember these vids that DP put up and train my ass off! :)
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he actualy looks solidly improved in that pic.
if he lost the remaining abs fat, would look very good swimmer look.
no joke.
That pic is a year old. I'll have to post an updated one just for you Gal ;D Leaner now @ same bodyweight.
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This might be one of the most comprehensive threads in GB history! :o
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There is plenty of muscle under that fat. A few months on 1300-1500 calories, plenty of cardio and he you would look great.
hahaha "he-you"
no serious,the guy has good steroid thickness, much bloof, and hes waaay waaaaay to fat.hes doing things bit wrong, but dieted down he will lok good.
he got plenty of mass.
Every time I get to wondering why I even keep training,I`m gonna` remember these vids that DP put up and train my ass off! :)
man, check out the other guy at 2minutes 7 seconds on the sitng bench press thing hahahaha.
id ask him what kind of cancer he got, or if its a case of lepra ;D
fucking hell i seen female catwalk anorexic models more muscular than him
That pic is a year old. I'll have to post an updated one just for you Gal ;D Leaner now @ same bodyweight.
go ahead 8)
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I saw him Gal! :D
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I saw him Gal! :D
i cant stop laughing over him ;D
that guy needs a serious sized sandwich :D
haha id love to ask him "hey bro,whats your bbuilding goal" ;D
he has that fire of dedication in his eyes haha.
would be brutal if he was on steroids
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go ahead 8)
Fuck... I look the same (still soft & a bit flabby) ??? Pics are a year apart. I feel leaner..... Oh well, nearly 40 I guess it's all downhill from here ;D Getting to the point where I don't really care anymore. Just sick of people making bullshit excuses.
(http://s12.postimg.org/ws9k3wfsd/IMG_0522.jpg)(http://s24.postimg.org/pastm9shh/same.jpg)
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i cant stop laughing over him ;D
that guy needs a serious sized sandwich :D
haha id love to ask him "hey bro,whats your bbuilding goal" ;D
he has that fire of dedication in his eyes haha.
would be brutal if he was on steroids
I bet him gym mantra is:
"Obsession is a word that the lazy use to describe the dedicated."
HARDCORE
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i cant stop laughing over him ;D
that guy needs a serious sized sandwich :D
haha id love to ask him "hey bro,whats your bbuilding goal" ;D
he has that fire of dedication in his eyes haha.
would be brutal if he was on steroids
I don't know man. That's what I thought about Genova.
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Fuck... I look the same (still soft & a bit flabby) ??? Pics are a year apart. I feel leaner..... Oh well, nearly 40 I guess it's all downhill from here ;D Getting to the point where I don't really care anymore. Just sick of people making bullshit excuses.
(http://s12.postimg.org/ws9k3wfsd/IMG_0522.jpg)(http://s24.postimg.org/pastm9shh/same.jpg)
Just a tiny tiny bit more tightening up and you`ll look great.
Not a bad build at all,and 40 is todays 20 in bodybuilding terms.
Just eat cleaner,train faster,and stay dedicated to your eating plan.
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Fuck... I look the same (still soft & a bit flabby) ??? Pics are a year apart. I feel leaner..... Oh well, nearly 40 I guess it's all downhill from here ;D Getting to the point where I don't really care anymore. Just sick of people making bullshit excuses.
(http://s12.postimg.org/ws9k3wfsd/IMG_0522.jpg)(http://s24.postimg.org/pastm9shh/same.jpg)
Your nipples kind of look like Vince's husbands eye's?
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Just a tiny tiny bit more tightening up and you`ll look great.
Not a bad build at all,and 40 is todays 20 in bodybuilding terms.
Just eat cleaner,train faster,and stay dedicated to your eating plan.
Thanks for the tips. I know how to get leaner, but my love of sweets/carbs is hampering progress ;D
Your nipples kind of look like Vince's husbands eye's?
You sweet talker you ;D
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Thanks for the tips. I know how to get leaner, but my love of sweets/carbs is hampering progress ;D
Not the right attitude my brother...defeatist all the way.
You gotta` wanna` !!
Good luck bud! ;)
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Not the right attitude my brother...defeatist all the way.
You gotta` wanna` !!
Good luck bud! ;)
He He He, solid advice. Been there done that. Cruise mode now. I just dont 'wanna' as much as I used to ;D ;D
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He He He, solid advice. Been there done that. Cruise mode now. I just dont 'wanna' as much as I used to ;D ;D
been there also bud,we all go through it from time to time.....not a rarity at all.
I`ll tell you,I`m nothing special,but once I started eating better,I really looked far better than ever before.
That being said,I was off for the last 2 weeks and ate like shit......put on a bit of fat on the obliques and a lot of bloof/water weight...but very easy to remedy.
You`re 40, so if I were you I would do it now as once you get older,the shit gets a little harder.
Anyway,you look good, and aren`t putting on a thong anytime soon I take it,so no big deal.
The bottom line is if you are satisfied with how you look,that`s really all that matters, because when you get down to brass tacks,you are essentially doing it for yourself anyway.........and to get laid of course! :D
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Well said Wes :) ::)
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Thanks buddy! ;)
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been there also bud,we all go through it from time to time.....not a rarity at all.
I`ll tell you,I`m nothing special,but once I started eating better,I really looked far better than ever before.
That being said,I was off for the last 2 weeks and ate like shit......put on a bit of fat on the obliques and a lot of bloof/water weight...but very easy to remedy.
You`re 40, so if I were you I would do it now as once you get older,the shit gets a little harder.
Anyway,you look good, and aren`t putting on a thong anytime soon I take it,so no big deal.
The bottom line is if you are satisfied with how you look,that`s really all that matters, because when you get down to brass tacks,you are essentially doing it for yourself anyway.........and to get laid of course! :D
I know what you mean man... fucking Christmas-New Year and obliques!
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Fucking holidays...bah humbug! LOL :D
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wesley falconcock is a great man
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Johan Sebastion Falconi making me laugh!! ;D