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i understand why he shot the guy, but 4-5 shots? come on shoot him in the leg or something just enough to subdue him. its not like the guy was lunging at you, you had time to shoot and not kill him.
I know cops cant purposely shoot to disable someone, you either use your gun because the situation "justifies a dealy source", hence you shoot to kill. but come on, if you can avoid killing some, do so IMO
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Lolwat....
You can always tell the armchair quarterbacks that have no training/have no firearm experience when they talk about shooting guys in the leg or the arm or something...
you aim center mass in 99% of situations (except failure drills, 2 to center mass 1 in the groin/head)..
Its super difficult to hit a target in a limb intentionally..... especially if hes moving.
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i understand why he shot the guy, but 4-5 shots? come on shoot him in the leg or something just enough to subdue him. its not like the guy was lunging at you, you had time to shoot and not kill him.
I know cops cant purposely shoot to disable someone, you either use your gun because the situation "justifies a dealy source", hence you shoot to kill. but come on, if you can avoid killing some, do so IMO
I guess you've never seen knife wounds before?
"Shoot them in the leg." ::)
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Lolwat....
You can always tell the armchair quarterbacks that have no training/have no firearm experience when they talk about shooting guys in the leg or the arm or something...
you aim center mass in 99% of situations (except failure drills, 2 to center mass 1 in the groin/head)..
Its super difficult to hit a target in a limb intentionally..... especially if hes moving.
How far were they apart? 5-8 ft? you're telling me a trained officer cant hit a guys leg , or gut at that range ???
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And here's today's daily GB cop-bashing thread. Have at it boys.
Why can't these cops just shoot guns, knives, etc., out of people's hands, like on TV and in the movies? That way nobody gets hurt.
They only do that in the south, where people can still aim. I`ve seen it a few times around here.
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Siding with the cop. If he stayed put, my thought would be different, but I don't want to guess at what's on an armed EDP's mind when he's coming toward me.
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I guess you've never seen knife wounds before?
"Shoot them in the leg." ::)
There is a difference between a trained officer and a civilian shooting in self defense. A civilian sees a guy walking towards him with a knfie, the civilian due to not having experience and expertise will most likely just go for the kill. A trained officer whom routinely has firearms training should be able to assess THIS particular not-so-volotile situation and not go for a headshot or chest shot.
go back to my original post, im not bashing the cop...This is like a cop giving you a ticket for doing 38 in a 35... he's not wrong, he just didnt neccesarily have to
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This guy got flustered, you can tell by his heavy breathing.
Classic example of someone not being able to control adrenaline and being totally unaware of the situation.
That guy posed absolutely no threat to the cop whatsoever, he was slowly walking towards him.
All the cops got to do is back up few yards, at worst fire few shots at his feet to show him he is serious.
At best he shoots him in the thigh or shoulder.
What you don't do is start blasting like rambo to an individual who clearly posed no major threat to the cop other than his ego.
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They only do that in the south, where people can still aim. I`ve seen it a few times around here.
Uhhh, don't think so. As Shock said: the training is aim center-mass. Keep shooting until subject is down.
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Arnold manages to shoot everyone in the legs with no problems in Terminator
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This guy got flustered, you can tell by his heavy breathing.
Classic example of someone not being able to control adrenaline and being totally unaware of the situation.
That guy posed absolutely no threat to the cop whatsoever, he was slowly walking towards him.
All the cops got to do is back up few yards, at worst fire few shots at his feet to show him he is serious.
At best he shoots him in the thigh or shoulder.
What you don't do is start blasting like rambo to an individual who clearly posed no major threat to the cop other than his ego.
Christ. So must bloviation in one go. Have you even seen a gun? Ever been in a deadly force situation? Ever been shot at?
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How far were they apart? 5-8 ft? you're telling me a trained officer cant hit a guys leg , or gut at that range ???
even more reason to shoot to kill. A guy is within lunging distance with a deadly weapon. You shoot center mass, every time. A trained officer still cant account for how the other person is going to react, whether hes high on drugs and the leg shot doesnt incapacitate, or he misses, or any number of variables.
training tells you to shoot center mass. Incapacitating limb shots are way to unreliable when faced with a deadly weapon.
period. Especially with a pistol.
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Anti-cop nutters are becoming comical. If this guy had stabbed his friend, or the person who he was in accident with, or the cop himself, you would be saying why didn't he shoot him?
Where is that video of that cop who DOES NOT shoot and gets murdered by the guy who got out of his car with a rifle.
It is seriously disturbing how many knuckleheads are anti-cop.
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Christ. So must bloviation in one go. Have you even seen a gun? Ever been in a deadly force situation? Ever been shot at?
Deadly force situation -GTFO
That was a joke, guy didn't have a gun, cop is in no danger to get shot at, the guy had a knife, you can't get cut if you are not in range.
He back's up, get's the lady out the way and call's for reinforcement and psychiatric professional to evaluate the situation.
At worse you taser the guy, you don't start blasting like rambo.
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Anti-cop nutters are becoming comical. If this guy had stabbed his friend, or the person who he was in accident with, or the cop himself, you would be saying why didn't he shoot him?
Where is that video of that cop who DOES NOT shoot and gets murdered by the guy who got out of his car with a rifle.
It is seriously disturbing how many knuckleheads are anti-cop.
I am very much against the militarization of the police and I sure as hell think that there are a lot of badges out there that can't be trusted with a spoon, let alone a gun. But in this case, I am going with the cop. It looks perfectly legit.
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Deadly force situation -GTFO
That was a joke, guy didn't have a gun, cop is in no danger to get shot at, the guy had a knife, you can't get cut if you are not in range.
He back's up, get's the lady out the way and call's for reinforcement and psychiatric professional to evaluate the situation.
At worse you taser the guy, you don't start blasting like rambo.
You are aware that a knife presents a deadly force situation, right? This is a close-quarters scenario, not a stand-off sniper scenario.
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A great invention the videocamera, and especially those small ones, for police officers to use in the field.
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Deadly force situation -GTFO
That was a joke, guy didn't have a gun, cop is in no danger to get shot at, the guy had a knife, you can't get cut if you are not in range.
He back's up, get's the lady out the way and call's for reinforcement and psychiatric professional to evaluate the situation.
At worse you taser the guy, you don't start blasting like rambo.
Ok so its obvious you have no clue what youre talking about; noted, moving on.
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You are aware that a knife presents a deadly force situation, right? This is a close-quarters scenario, not a stand-off sniper scenario.
Look at the video closely, the cop stands his ground, he doesn't back up even an inch.
He tells him to "put the knife down, or I will shoot you"......why?
...and then he states "I need you in this room now?"
Doesn't sound like someone who is in imminent danger.
The whole situation is avoided if he backs up, leaves the house, takes the women out the picture, calls for back up.
This should have been a sniper situation and negotiation at best.
The cop gets flustered, tries to be a hero and deal with it himself, something he clearly wasn't qualified to do.
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Ok so its obvious you have no clue what youre talking about; noted, movong on.
Yup.
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Look at the video closely, the cop stands his ground, he doesn't back up even an inch.
He tells him to "put the knife down, or I will shoot you"......why?
...and then he states "I need you in this room now?"
Doesn't sound like someone who is in imminent danger.
The whole situation is avoided if he backs up, leaves the house, takes the women out the picture, calls for back up.
This should have been a sniper situation and negotiation at best.
The cop gets flustered, tries to be a hero and deal with it himself, something he clearly wasn't qualified to do.
You know what is REALLY clear...
Your an idiot.
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On Justified, that cop with the cowboy hat can shoot the gun out of people's hands.
In real life, even if you shoot a guy center mass, if he's high, angry or just really focused, he can usually get a shot or two off before he falls or runs. My brother shot a guy in the mid-torso with a .45 - the dude spun around and jumped back over the counter and ran out the door (kept his gun in hand the whole time), managed to steal a car and drive 3 hours to miami with a bullet lodged in his spine. Got surgery there.
So yeah, IF IF IF a cop is justified to shoot, it's going to be 3-5 hollow points, center mass. And cops only carry .40 cal round here. They carry 9mm (a tad smaller) in other parts.
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Look at the video closely, the cop stands his ground, he doesn't back up even an inch.
He tells him to "put the knife down, or I will shoot you"......why?
...and then he states "I need you in this room now?"
Doesn't sound like someone who is in imminent danger.
The whole situation is avoided if he backs up, leaves the house, takes the women out the picture, calls for back up.
This should have been a sniper situation and negotiation at best.
The cop gets flustered, tries to be a hero and deal with it himself, something he clearly wasn't qualified to do.
Again, disregard what this guy says because he literally has zero clue to what hes talking about
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no,this was fully deserved and asked for.
period theres no discussion.the fucking girl should have put the knife down.
thats it.
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Lolwat....
You can always tell the armchair quarterbacks that have no training/have no firearm experience when they talk about shooting guys in the leg or the arm or something...
you aim center mass in 99% of situations (except failure drills, 2 to center mass 1 in the groin/head)..
Its super difficult to hit a target in a limb intentionally..... especially if hes moving.
Exactly. There are some dumb motherfuckers here. You got a guy coming at you with a knife but you will attempt to aim at his kneecap. Right.
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On Justified, that cop with the cowboy hat can shoot the gun out of people's hands.
In real life, even if you shoot a guy center mass, if he's high, angry or just really focused, he can usually get a shot or two off before he falls or runs. My brother shot a guy in the mid-torso with a .45 - the dude spun around and jumped back over the counter and ran out the door (kept his gun in hand the whole time), managed to steal a car and drive 3 hours to miami with a bullet lodged in his spine. Got surgery there.
So yeah, IF IF IF a cop is justified to shoot, it's going to be 3-5 hollow points, center mass. And cops only carry .40 cal round here. They carry 9mm (a tad smaller) in other parts.
Where was the gun in this situation? If they guy had a gun it would be totally different. He had a knife, that's all.
No imminent threat to the cop WHO HAD the gun
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Where was the gun in this situation? If they guy had a gun it would be totally different. He had a knife, that's all.
No imminent threat to the cop WHO HAD the gun
You know what the imminent threat is...
People like you to sanity.
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Cheesy production aside, the Tueller drill is still the proper thinking for such matters-
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These little benign things can turn nasty quick -
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You know what is REALLY clear...
Your an idiot.
You are entitled to your opinion, I assessed the situation based on what I saw in the video and my view is that the cops actions were wholly unjustified.
Off course this is Get Big, you don't agree with someone's point of view just insult them and call them an idiot. I get it.
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You are entitled to your opinion, I assessed the situation based on what I saw in the video and my view is that the cops actions were wholly unjustified.
Off course this is Get Big, you don't agree with someone's point of view just insult them and call them an idiot. I get it.
No, that's not it...
Your just an idiot.
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Where was the gun in this situation? If they guy had a gun it would be totally different. He had a knife, that's all.
No imminent threat to the cop WHO HAD the gun
Inside 21 feet, a dude with a knife can kill. Even if you pop him a few times in the body, he can still lunge and get that knife in before he expires/falls. head shots are pretty hard. hand shots are VERY hard.
PLUS, we're overlooking the fact that body shots stop the bullet from moving. Hand shots mean that bullet keeps flying to hit someone else. You hit them in the pizza box and the bullet mushrooms and stays in them. Doesn't punch thru and hit someone else. Hit them in the arm and the old lady buying laxatives in line behind him gets hit in the back fat.
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And here's today's daily GB cop-bashing thread. Have at it boys.
Why can't these cops just shoot guns, knives, etc., out of people's hands, like on TV and in the movies? That way nobody gets hurt.
Officer Coocoo. How nice of you to show up. I'm glad to see the donut shop has wifi.
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Inside 21 feet, a dude with a knife can kill. Even if you pop him a few times in the body, he can still lunge and get that knife in before he expires/falls. head shots are pretty hard. hand shots are VERY hard.
PLUS, we're overlooking the fact that body shots stop the bullet from moving. Hand shots mean that bullet keeps flying to hit someone else. You hit them in the pizza box and the bullet mushrooms and stays in them. Doesn't punch thru and hit someone else. Hit them in the arm and the old lady buying laxatives in line behind him gets hit in the back fat.
I can see your point of view, I don't think any two situations are the same, I feel in this specific situation the cops actions were unjustified for the following reasons.
a) The history of the situation.
This is not some random situation, this is a domestic situation that revolves around some kinda car accident. The lady in question in the video explains to the cop that the guy is pissed and has knifes and is "probably suicidal", that's the key here.
The cop ask's if there is a way round to the back of the house.
This is a psychiatric situation.
Look at the demeanor and stature of the guy, looks like a kid to me, he is walking towards the cop very very slowly, kinda like he wants him to shoot him.
He doesn't make any sudden movements.
The cop could have easily backed up from that situation and called for help.
Why does he need to fire 4-5 shots and shoot to kill?
I am not remotely satisfied the cop acted professionally or diligently.
That's how I read the situation, that's my take on it.
You guys have right to have different take and opinion on it but quit being childish with the personal insults, not that I care but its stupid.
Person insults and exercise and shooting elephants and killing homeless people and guys with knive IS STUPID!
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I agree with Uncle Junior here. The guy with the knife was being an idiot but he was barely even moving towards the cop and didn't deserve to die. Did you guys hear the liquid coming out of the guy after he was shot? That's some fucked up shit.
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You know what is REALLY clear...
Your an idiot.
You're
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No, that's not it...
Your just an idiot.
"You're"
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The cop gave him ample warning, and even looked to have taken a few steps back first. What's the issue?
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I agree with Uncle Junior here. The guy with the knife was being an idiot but he was barely even moving towards the cop and didn't deserve to die. Did you guys hear the liquid coming out of the guy after he was shot? That's some fucked up shit.
doesnt matter. Guy had a deadly weapon, was close enough to pose a threat, was clearly showing intent and didnt listen to the warning.
Deadly force was perfectly justified. Period, end of sentence.
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Deadly force situation -GTFO
That was a joke, guy didn't have a gun, cop is in no danger to get shot at, the guy had a knife, you can't get cut if you are not in range.
He back's up, get's the lady out the way and call's for reinforcement and psychiatric professional to evaluate the situation.
At worse you taser the guy, you don't start blasting like rambo.
a human can travel that distance and stab you in under a second
you know less than nothing
i appreciate you are trolling
but there is trolling and coming across as a complete retard
hope that helps
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"You're"
Grrrr I do that every damn time!! I'm the idiot damn it.
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a human can travel that distance and stab you in under a second
you know less than nothing
i appreciate you are trolling
but there is trolling and coming across as a complete retard
hope that helps
I honestly am not trolling on this one.
That's my view on it, whatever way you want to look at it is fine but for me it was a needless, tragic loss of life which could have easily been avoided.
I am done on this subject cos it upsets me too much.
I will fucking flip, things like this make me very angry, I just can't handle injustices like this.
Fucking putting down elephants because some fucking asshole tries to drive a car into it, beating a homeless man to death for no reason, killing a kid who has a shitty pen knife and blasting 5 bullets into him, I don't know what fucking world you live but it ain't mine.
Don't worry Karma will deal, whatever injustice you inflict in this life karma will come back and inflict 1000 times more on you in due course. This is a rule you can't change.
I am done.
Don't provocative me anymore tonight.
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What if you do get him in the leg and he's so full of adrenaline that he keeps on coming and buries that blade in your neck?
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What if you do get him in the leg and he's so full of adrenaline that he keeps on coming and buries that blade in your neck?
Possibly another member of "Team Common Sense??"
I'm shocked... That's like 5 people who aren't retarded. Wow.
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in this particular case... use the tazer or beanbag his ass.
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Uhhh, don't think so. As Shock said: the training is aim center-mass. Keep shooting until subject is down.
Police Departments with 2-8 officers don`t usually follow that protocol. I read the other day, a few towns over from me, where an officer shot a guy in the hand because the suspect was brandishing a fire poker.
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You know what is REALLY clear...
Your an idiot.
LOL
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No, that's not it...
Your know t an idiot.
I guess we can assume this was not just a one time mistake but clearly someone who doesn't know the difference between your and you're
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Grrrr I do that every damn time!! I'm the idiot damn it.
Welcome to several posts ago.
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Lolwat....
You can always tell the armchair quarterbacks that have no training/have no firearm experience when they talk about shooting guys in the leg or the arm or something...
you aim center mass in 99% of situations (except failure drills, 2 to center mass 1 in the groin/head)..
Its super difficult to hit a target in a limb intentionally..... especially if hes moving.
This.
What if you hit a major artery in the leg when going for a "disabling" shot.
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I would have simply disarmed using by using either my Kung Fu or my Chinese Boxing skillz!
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I would have put a white towel over his head and while he was feverishly sucking my cock I would have sneaked the handcuffs on him.
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This guy was not getting a ticket for speeding! :D
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I honestly am not trolling on this one.
That's my view on it, whatever way you want to look at it is fine but for me it was a needless, tragic loss of life which could have easily been avoided.
I am done on this subject cos it upsets me too much.
I will fucking flip, things like this make me very angry, I just can't handle injustices like this.
Fucking putting down elephants because some fucking asshole tries to drive a car into it, beating a homeless man to death for no reason, killing a kid who has a shitty pen knife and blasting 5 bullets into him, I don't know what fucking world you live but it ain't mine.
Don't worry Karma will deal, whatever injustice you inflict in this life karma will come back and inflict 1000 times more on you in due course. This is a rule you can't change.
I am done.
Don't provocative me anymore tonight.
he was 35, not a kid
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Totally justifiable shooting, anyone who thinks otherwise is nuts. He was told repeatedly to put them down and also told I will shoot you. If your ass is whacked out on smack and you cant listen to the officer then its your fault your dead. He came at an officer with 2 deadly weapons, any trained officer would of popped his ass just like this officer did.
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Deadly force situation -GTFO
That was a joke, guy didn't have a gun, cop is in no danger to get shot at, the guy had a knife, you can't get cut if you are not in range.
He back's up, get's the lady out the way and call's for reinforcement and psychiatric professional to evaluate the situation.
At worse you taser the guy, you don't start blasting like rambo.
If you think a knife isn't a deadly weapon, you're an idiot. Getting stabbed is no joke take it from me.
The officer gave the command and asked him numerous times to put the knives down and not only did he not comply but he moved towards the officer.....it was a good shoot
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Cop wasn't exactly backed into a corner since there was an OPEN DOOR right behind him.
Close the door behind you and call the psych team like 90 percent of the cops from 90 percent of the world's other civilized countries.
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Cop wasn't exactly backed into a corner since there was an OPEN DOOR right behind him.
Close the door behind you and call the psych team like 90 percent of the cops from 90 percent of the world's other civilized countries.
Yeah, but how else would that cop have met his kill-quota for the year
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Cop wasn't exactly backed into a corner since there was an OPEN DOOR right behind him.
Close the door behind you and call the psych team like 90 percent of the cops from 90 percent of the world's other civilized countries.
It's nots a cops jobs to run away from a dangerous situation like a pussy..... This is pretty cut and dry he was warned 8 TIMES to put the knives down and he still walk towards the officer. That's a death sentence and he got his wish
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It's nots a cops jobs to run away from a dangerous situation like a pussy..... This is pretty cut and dry he was warned 8 TIMES to put the knives down and he still walk towards the officer. That's a death sentence and he got his wish
A bigger man would have realized the guy was either mentally I'll or drunk and gotten out of there to diffuse the situation.
Don't forget the guy didn't hurt or even hold the woman hostage when he easily could have. Plus the guy was hardly waving the knife in his face he was ten feet away at least.
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I would have put a white towel over his head and while he was feverishly sucking my cock I would have sneaked the handcuffs on him.
LMAO!! ;D ;D
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If a cop is getting that worked up, he should not be a cop.
Why couldnt he just shoot him in both legs? Is he that bad of a shot?
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If a cop is getting that worked up, he should not be a cop.
Why couldnt he just shoot him in both legs? Is he that bad of a shot?
Cop Gave the dude ample warning and the dildo wanted what he got: Ron should give this cop red stars for shooting an obvious fucktard and drain on society.
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Pepper gas would have done the job. He certainly didn't have to unload the clip on him. This is criminal.
Next step: american police will use machine guns for pacification and order maintenence.
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Pepper gas would have done the job. He certainly didn't have to unload the clip on him. This is criminal.
Next step: american police will use machine guns for pacification and order maintenence.
Getting pepper sprayed would not have stopped him.. In the military we get sprayed and have to run a whole obstacle course.. I'm pretty sure this guy could have just started swing his knife 5 ft infront of him.
It's simple guy. We like cops are trained that you meet the level of treat or go one level above it on order to neutralize the treat.
If a guys try's to use physical force you use pepper spray
If a guy has a knife or gun you shoot center mass.
There is somthing called the treat triangle we are trained to use in a situation like this, it is intent, oppertunity, capability
Can anyone here make a case from the cops prospective that those 3 weren't present ?
Capability: he had 2 knives in his hands
Oppertunity:he was within striking distance of the officer
Intent: he was told 8 times to put the knives down and stay back. He didn't so what was do you think his intent was?
You guys sound like a bunch of liberal pussies, ya lets run out the house scared call a physic team and put him up in a state ran mental instatution for who knows how long... All paid for by OUR tax money..
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Navy needs to teach spelling.
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Navy needs to teach spelling.
Lord that was bad I throw that up on my break on my iPhone... It's these fucking GH hands