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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: BAST on February 21, 2014, 11:18:40 PM
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I was watching one of the famous Jason Genova's youtube videos, in which you put him on regimen of your supplements.
My question is have you used your own prohormones?
This one for example: http://store.blackstonelabs.co/super-trenabol
How are these products tested? Do you hire people to take the prohormones and get their blood work measured?
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I was watching one of the famous Jason Genova's youtube videos, in which you put him on regimen of your supplements.
My question is have you used your own prohormones?
This one for example: http://store.blackstonelabs.co/super-trenabol
How are these products tested? Do you hire people to take the prohormones and get their blood work measured?
HAHAHAHAHA
More like sup companies send that stuff out for free to a select few forum members and hope these forum members get bloodwork.
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Bloodwork, to see the impact on one's health? Or to somehow show that these prohormones are legit? ???
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Super DMZ is a terrific product. I'm a big fan of BSL. Had a few friends try trenabol as well and rave reviews.
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lol @ the question regarding bloodwork.
Do you think these shitty supplement companies really set up randomized controlled clinical trials? lol
I think the only supplement to have been tested using randomized controlled clinical studies in major universities is Creatine!
You think Harvard University is going to go out of their way to study cell tech and nanovapor and shit like that lol
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I was watching one of the famous Jason Genova's youtube videos, in which you put him on regimen of your supplements.
My question is have you used your own prohormones?
This one for example: http://store.blackstonelabs.co/super-trenabol
How are these products tested? Do you hire people to take the prohormones and get their blood work measured?
The answer is YES. I have taken all of our Blackstone Labs and Prime Nutrition products. Many of the products that BSLs make are a great addition to even the highest level bodybuilders regimen. I won't name names, but many of the IFBB Pros you will see on the stage at the Arnold have either been given or paid for BSLs products.
As far as testing and blood work, No. We don't pay anyone to do that. Many many people do it at their own cost though. All it would take is a simple Google search to find exactly how effective our products are. Thousands and thousands of rave reviews can be found easily.
They are tested by customers, the BRO SCIENCE way, and they've been found to be excellent.
(thank you for the question)
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Super DMZ is a terrific product. I'm a big fan of BSL. Had a few friends try trenabol as well and rave reviews.
Thank you! Super DMZ used to be our most popular product till Super Trenabol came out.
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The answer is YES. I have taken all of our Blackstone Labs and Prime Nutrition products. Many of the products that BSLs make are a great addition to even the highest level bodybuilders regimen. I won't name names, but many of the IFBB Pros you will see on the stage at the Arnold have either been given or paid for BSLs products.
As far as testing and blood work, No. We don't pay anyone to do that. Many many people do it at their own cost though. All it would take is a simple Google search to find exactly how effective our products are. Thousands and thousands of rave reviews can be found easily.
They are tested by customers, the BRO SCIENCE way, and they've been found to be excellent.
(thank you for the question)
Shut up, you stupid moron. Tested by customers means absolutely jack shit. You cant say your shitty supplements work without randomized controlled clinical trials. You really think anyone on GB is going to go out and buy your shitty supplements because of BRO SCIENCE? What is BRO SCIENCE anyway? What are you 4 years old? You're about as dumb as a slug.
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Shut up, you stupid moron. Tested by customers means absolutely jack shit. You cant say your shitty supplements work without randomized controlled clinical trials. You really think anyone on GB is going to go out and buy your shitty supplements because of BRO SCIENCE? What is BRO SCIENCE anyway? What are you 4 years old? You're about as dumb as a slug.
I lold. He basically said 'we gave them to guys and they liked them!, whether its a placebo effect or not, who cares, cause broscience is a solid test and the feeling you get from taking them is all that matters!'
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he answered the questions in a satisfactory way. i give him credit. I just don't think a product that can only be taken for a month because of toxicity issues is the smartest move, unless you have some illegal testosterone vials with the PH, which would defeat the purpose of buying something legal.
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I lold. He basically said 'we gave them to guys and they liked them!, whether its a placebo effect or not, who cares, cause broscience is a solid test and the feeling you get from taking them is all that matters!'
There could be SOOOOOO many other reasons why people see improvements. Diet, sleep, training hard, genetics, etc. I bet these same people who used his shitty supplements would have had the same exact gains without that garbage.
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he answered the questions in a satisfactory way. i give him credit. I just don't think a product that can only be taken for a month because of toxicity issues is the smartest move, unless you have some illegal testosterone vials with the PH, which would defeat the purpose of buying something legal.
Really? His answer was satisfactory? By saying that people say his supplements are great and he knows it works because of BRO SCIENCE. Thats a satisfactory answer? :-\ :-\
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Really? His answer was satisfactory? By saying that people say his supplements are great and he knows it works because of BRO SCIENCE. Thats a satisfactory answer? :-\ :-\
yes he's saying they have good reviews... now who is going to take a prohormone,, think about it? mostly people who haven't taken illegal AAS.. so they can't compare them. So he's not saying that it's just as good; is he?
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Thank you! Super DMZ used to be our most popular product till Super Trenabol came out.
What exactly is it and would one be a lifetime natural if they took it? Are they hormones? Aren`t these very dangerous for the liver?
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yes he's saying they have good reviews... now who is going to take a prohormone,, think about it? mostly people who haven't taken illegal AAS.. so they can't compare them. So he's not saying that it's just as good; is he?
You needed him to tell you that there are reviews on the internet? You couldnt find that yourself? :-\ :-\
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You needed him to tell you that there are reviews on the internet? You couldnt find that yourself? :-\ :-\
The Squad has had just about enough
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The Squad has had just about enough
True, he did answer, though I believe deceptively. But I guess he has to earn a living somehow!
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Shut up, you stupid moron. Tested by customers means absolutely jack shit. You cant say your shitty supplements work without randomized controlled clinical trials. You really think anyone on GB is going to go out and buy your shitty supplements because of BRO SCIENCE? What is BRO SCIENCE anyway? What are you 4 years old? You're about as dumb as a slug.
You have to admire the shrunken sterioded balls on this guy. Straight up says broscience. Pure snake oil.
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I have taken these products, and yes they WORK. THEY ARE STEROIDS/Designer Steroids/Anabolic, but are legal, so anyone, even your average high schooler can go ONLINE and buy them legally.. Are they toxic on the LIVER, SURE, are you considered unNATTY if you take them, sure, Will your Girlfriend dump you to hook up with a real man because he took these, most def, will you put on 15lb of muscle in 5 weeks ON, YES YOU WILL because they are Anabolics LEGAL Steroids. YOU HAVE MY PROMISE that these compounds will give you a positive testing on PED, because they are that, cheap, effective, efficientt, slightly liver toxic, legal STEROIDS, but we call them prohormones, sounds easier to sell. Hope this helps
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any prohormone is going to give you more toxicity than results compared to real AAS, and you'll likely pay more. and you'll still need PCT. so you're gonna need to get illegal drugs anyway unless you want your penis to not work for awhile. I used 1AD many years ago. it gave great results but i would never do it again without PCT. it gave gains short term but for much longer my natural testosterone was wrecked so i'm sure it slowed me down in the long run.
and gains of any oral will disappear quickly after discontinuation, unless testosterone is used but even then the oral gains will go away with time.
Oral only cycles of AAS or PH is a bad idea, unless you have anti-estrogen at least, and even then in the long term it will not benefit you.
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any prohormone is going to give you more toxicity than results compared to real AAS,
where the fuck do you idiots get this idea from??? prohormones convert into active parent hormones once they are metabolized by the liver. prohormones are no more dangerous that regular steroids in toxicity terms.
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Thank you! Super DMZ used to be our most popular product till Super Trenabol came out.
This a rip-off of tren xtreme made by american celluar labs ? It is also the same as PharmagenX Finigenx? I think this is just a ripoff of one of the few prohormones that was not banned in 2005. I am pretty sure it is the same chemical as what american celluar labs Tren xtreme and they have been selling this chemical for years same with the Pharmagenx Finigenx. If I am wrong what is the diffrence? No way any pro is taking this product unless they cannot find Trenbolone acetate wich I find hard to believe. Fuck you think a Pro Bodybuilders gives a shit about a little Tren cough? Real Bodybuilders would never use this product unless it was given to them for free. Real Tren acetate is just way more powerfull a small cough is not going to make a pro switch to a shitty tren precursor.
The only other guys who might take it and get gains are guys who are stacking it with Test as the base and maybe using this product for 4-6 weeks. maybe longer since it isn't methylated. I'm not impressed at all. first I think it is a rip-off of a already existing product, second i thin no pro bodybuilder would take this trenabol over Tren acetate just because tren gives some users a little Tren cough. Great products for guys who don't like needles. The DMZ is probably a better product if it is methylated. orals that are not methylated have a way higher bio-availability but are a tad harsher on the liver making this Trenabol even weaker since it has a poor bio-availability not being a 17-AA(Methylated compound)
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where the fuck do you idiots get this idea from??? prohormones convert into active parent hormones once they are metabolized by the liver. prohormones are no more dangerous that regular steroids in toxicity terms.
No more dangerous than oral steroids?
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Trenabol nothing new. old hormone that has been around for years!They ripped it off from american celluar labs and pharmagenX finigenx.
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No more dangerous than oral steroids?
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nope.
If both (the prohormone and the parent hormone) are 17aa, then they have very similar toxic effects on the liver.
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nope.
If both (the prohormone and the parent hormone) are 17aa, then they have very similar toxic effects on the liver.
this trenabol isn;t 17AA(methylated) so guys can run it longer then 4 weeks. hell you could probably run this weak oral for 8 weeks. I think the DMZ would be the better product. Young kids see a supplement that is associated with Tren and break out their credit cards and PJ knows it.
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where the fuck do you idiots get this idea from??? prohormones convert into active parent hormones once they are metabolized by the liver. prohormones are no more dangerous that regular steroids in toxicity terms.
real steroids will give more results for the same toxicity of PH. So you'd have to take more of the PH to get the same results so more toxic..
here's one source for you:
http://thinksteroids.com/articles/legal-prohormones-additions-pharmaceutical-steroid-cycles/
written by: http://thinksteroids.com/author/bill-roberts/
now you've embarrassed yourself
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nope.
If both (the prohormone and the parent hormone) are 17aa, then they have very similar toxic effects on the liver.
I asked that wrong I think. Aren't Oral Steroids the most dangerous?
What I meant to say ask is if they're more dangerous than injectables?
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any prohormone is going to give you more toxicity than results compared to real AAS, and you'll likely pay more. and you'll still need PCT. so you're gonna need to get illegal drugs anyway unless you want your penis to not work for awhile. I used 1AD many years ago. it gave great results but i would never do it again without PCT. it gave gains short term but for much longer my natural testosterone was wrecked so i'm sure it slowed me down in the long run.
and gains of any oral will disappear quickly after discontinuation, unless testosterone is used but even then the oral gains will go away with time.
Oral only cycles of AAS or PH is a bad idea, unless you have anti-estrogen at least, and even then in the long term it will not benefit you.
YOU also have your FAIR share of risk as well when you INJECT, especially since you don't know how much bacteria is in those when buying home brewed, or underground. Unless you fork over major $ for pharmaceutical grade shit, you are still taking a real big risk.
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real steroids will give more results for the same toxicity of PH. So you'd have to take more of the PH to get the same results so more toxic..
here's one source for you:
http://thinksteroids.com/articles/legal-prohormones-additions-pharmaceutical-steroid-cycles/
written by: http://thinksteroids.com/author/bill-roberts/
now you've embarrassed yourself
No shit that the real parent steroids are more potent than the PH. Also, anyone with a brain would know that the PH version of a parent hormone is not going to be as strong as the parent.
Also that article supports nothing with what you are saying. Superdrol isn't a prohormone either, it was a designer steroid.
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I asked that wrong I think. Aren't Oral Steroids the most dangerous?
What I meant to say ask is if they're more dangerous than injectables?
Yes. Injectable Testosterone and the other non vet hormones are safer then anadrol or any other oral steroid except for maybe anavar. anavar will still shut your HPTA down But the answer is yes injectable Test harmless on the liver
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Yes. Injectable Testosterone and the other non vet hormones are safer then anadrol or any other oral steroid except for maybe anavar. anavar will still shut your HOTA down But the answer is yes injectable Test harmless on the liver
Interesting, thanks
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No shit that the real parent steroids are more potent than the PH. Also, anyone with a brain would know that the PH version of a parent hormone is not going to be as strong as the parent.
Also that article supports nothing with what you are saying. Superdrol isn't a prohormone either, it was a designer steroid.
you called me an idiot when i was right. read what i wrote again.. i said "for the results". I know you won't apologize but you're forgiven anyway for your lack of reading ability.
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No more dangerous than oral steroids?
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Prohormones are steroids lol.
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you called me an idiot when i was right. read what i wrote again.. i said "for the results". I know you won't apologize but you're forgiven anyway for your lack of reading ability.
>:(
:-*
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No shit that the real parent steroids are more potent than the PH. Also, anyone with a brain would know that the PH version of a parent hormone is not going to be as strong as the parent.
Also that article supports nothing with what you are saying. Superdrol isn't a prohormone either, it was a designer steroid.
exactly most of these PH aren't even PH, because they are already active (your body does not need to convert to test). Will they work for you, give it a try, you might be surprised. Though the original question wasn't wither these were Prohormones or not, the question is, do they work? answer; yes, Superdrol at 30mg Works
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No shit that the real parent steroids are more potent than the PH. Also, anyone with a brain would know that the PH version of a parent hormone is not going to be as strong as the parent.
Also that article supports nothing with what you are saying. Superdrol isn't a prohormone either, it was a designer steroid.
nighttrain is right. You have to understand that their are parent hormones like 1-Testosterone and then the shitty prohormones that convert to 1-testosterone like 1-AD. Then you have the designer potent oral steroids like M1T, Superdrol,DMT. all were sold legally and as potent as any oral steroid. I think M1T might be the strongest Oral steroid ever and it was sold legally for years. methyl-Tren is the only thing that beats M1T,superdrol is up there as well.
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Prohormones are steroids lol.
What I meant was "Are these steroids (pro hormones) as dangerous as oral steroids or injectables".
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What I meant was "Are these steroids (pro hormones) as dangerous as oral steroids or injectables".
Oral steroids are as dangerous as Oral steroids
Injectables (LEGIT Pharmacy GRADE) are the safer route but cost $ hence pharmacy GRADE
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Only safer because will not stress the liver
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Only safer because will not stress the liver
Okay...
I really can't believe people are crazy enough to use some of these drugs. :o
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What I meant was "Are these steroids (pro hormones) as dangerous as oral steroids or injectables".
Yes because alot of them are don;t convert and are labelled "designer orals steroids". some of the harshest oral steroids were sold legally like M1T ,superdrol,DMT. Your answer is Yes.Like i said i think the most potent oral ever is M1T and it was sold legal for yers but it is not a Prohormone it is a designer steroid. even the ones that have to convert to a parent hormone are just as bad as most oral steroids. all the 17AA prohormoes or designer steroids are just as bad if not worse.
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Okay...
I really can't believe people are crazy enough to use some of these drugs. :o
You must not know alot of bodybuilders then because bodybuilders do anything to get an edge. Some of these amateurs and pros do 25 injections a day of diffrent steroids,HGH,insluin and peptides a day
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Yes because alot of them are don;t convert and are labelled "designer orals steroids". some of the harshest oral steroids were sold legally like M1T ,superdrol,DMT. Your answer is Yes.Like i said i think the most potent oral ever is M1T and it was sold legal for yers but it is not a Prohormone it is a designer steroid. even the ones that have to convert to a parent hormone are just as bad as most oral steroids. all the 17AA prohormoes or designer steroids are just as bad if not worse.
Wouldn't it be safer for the government to just allow the safe stuff to be available?
Seems like they've just pushed people to harm themselves worse by using what's legal. :o
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Okay...
I really can't believe people are crazy enough to use some of these drugs. :o
Insulin, synthol, deca by itself, etc
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Wouldn't it be safer for the government to just allow the safe stuff to be available?
Seems like they've just pushed people to harm themselves worse by using what's legal. :o
I agree. I think they should just legalize every drug honestly. if somebody wants something bad enough they will get it even if it means breaking the law. It is silly to convict people for steroid purchases or selling steroids.
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I might consider purchasing one of these products to take in the build up to my next holiday. I won't be able to claim natural afterwards but oh well. ;D
Chiro's endorsement is good enough for me. 8)
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he answered the questions in a satisfactory way. i give him credit. I just don't think a product that can only be taken for a month because of toxicity issues is the smartest move, unless you have some illegal testosterone vials with the PH, which would defeat the purpose of buying something legal.
Umm.....do you know anything about oral steroids??
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where the fuck do you idiots get this idea from??? prohormones convert into active parent hormones once they are metabolized by the liver. prohormones are no more dangerous that regular steroids in toxicity terms.
Finally someone gets it. Sheesh there's a lot of stupid floating sound this thread from guys that can't even spell "biochemistry."
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Lol @ dummies saying "PHs are more toxic than real steroids."
Right because all PHs are the same and all "real steroids" are the same.
Yes one trenabol is more toxic than one A-bomb ::)
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Lol @ dummies saying "PHs are more toxic than real steroids."
Right because all PHs are the same and all "real steroids" are the same.
Yes one trenabol is more toxic than one A-bomb ::)
No Trenabol would not be as strong as A-bombs but superdrol is as strong as anadrol so is M1T but those two are designer steroids. Trenabol is not a great product and is nothing new! That structure they are selling has been around for years! It is nothing special. It does not work like real tren and PJ saying a pro bodybuilder would use it because they want to avoid tren cough is ridiculous! anybody who buys this product is scared of needles or cannot find a source for Trenbolone. I don;t think this product is that liver toxic since it is not 17AA(methylated) but that also means its bio-availability blows! The DMZ structure seems to be more potent of a compound. This trenabol is just a rip-off of american cellual labs
Tren Xtreme wich has been around years before this product.
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No Trenabol would not be as strong as A-bombs but superdrol is as strong as anadrol so is M1T but those two are designer steroids. Trenabol is not a great product and is nothing new! That structure they are selling has been around for years! It is nothing special. It does not work like real tren and PJ saying a pro bodybuilder would use it because they want to avoid tren cough is ridiculous! anybody who buys this product is scared of needles or cannot find a source for Trenbolone. I don;t think this product is that liver toxic since it is not 17AA(methylated) but that also means its bio-availability blows! The DMZ structure seems to be more potent of a compound. This trenabol is just a rip-off of american cellual labs
Tren Xtreme wich has been around years before this product.
My point is how idiotic it is for someone to lump all PHs into the same category or all oral AAS into the same category and compare them equally.
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My point is how idiotic it is for someone to lump all PHs into the same category or all oral AAS into the same category and compare them equally.
your right there. every oral steroid legal or illegal works diffrently and some or harsher then others. example- anavar is scheduled AAS but is very mild on the liver and the HPTA and can be run for a few months safely yet Halotestin is liver toxic and cannot be run for safely for more then a month. You could probably run halo longer but it wouldn't be wise.
I don't like prohormones(a hormone that has to convert to the parent hormone) and the reason why is the bioavailability sucks. any oral steroid that is not 17-AA(Methylated) is going to have a poor bioavailibility.It might be easier on your liver but if the product dosn't what's the point. I am not saying this product dosn"t work for some people but it is nothing like Real Trenbolone anybody who believes that is just retarded.
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Does it depend on the individual too?
I remember Galeniko saying that his organs felt stressed on Anavar but he could handle Halotestin without any problems.
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Does it depend on the individual too?
I remember Galeniko saying that his organs felt stressed on Anavar but he could handle Halotestin without any problems.
Not really man. I suppose it is impossible to say unless you're comparing bloodwork, but you're comparing budlight to shots of whiskey
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No Trenabol would not be as strong as A-bombs but superdrol is as strong as anadrol so is M1T but those two are designer steroids. Trenabol is not a great product and is nothing new! That structure they are selling has been around for years! It is nothing special. It does not work like real tren and PJ saying a pro bodybuilder would use it because they want to avoid tren cough is ridiculous! anybody who buys this product is scared of needles or cannot find a source for Trenbolone. I don;t think this product is that liver toxic since it is not 17AA(methylated) but that also means its bio-availability blows! The DMZ structure seems to be more potent of a compound. This trenabol is just a rip-off of american cellual labs
Tren Xtreme wich has been around years before this product.
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Do you know anything about Blackstone's "Alpha-1-Max", it's supposed to convert to M1T... I've been desperately searching for M1T for months now and if this is legit that would be cool, have you heard about this??
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Do you know anything about Blackstone's "Alpha-1-Max", it's supposed to convert to M1T... I've been desperately searching for M1T for months now and if this is legit that would be cool, have you heard about this??
why not just use test?
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why not just use test?
Availability? I wouldn't have the first clue on how to obtain drugs of any kind.
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Can you explain this PJ?
http://blackstonelabs.co/articles/the-gab/77-ifbb-pro-mike-liberatore-joins-team-blackstone-labs
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Thank you for the sense a few of you are spreading in this thread. I honestly appreciate it. Fortunately, we have products that don't require me to sell. They just work.
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Does Celeste do anal?
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Can you explain this PJ?
http://blackstonelabs.co/articles/the-gab/77-ifbb-pro-mike-liberatore-joins-team-blackstone-labs
Very simple. Blackstone Labs had a very popular article section. Lots of the articles, like Mike's were very controversial in nature. When we started Prime Nutrition we were advised to remove anything like this from our site. If it's articles like Mike's (which I liked), or dramatically expanding our business... Well, that's an easy choice. Mike is a great guy, and we wish him luck.
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Very simple. Blackstone Labs had a very popular article section. Lots of the articles, like Mike's were very controversial in nature. When we started Prime Nutrition we were advised to remove anything like this from our site. If it's articles like Mike's (which I liked), or dramatically expanding our business... Well, that's an easy choice. Mike is a great guy, and we wish him luck.
Thanks for answering this, PJ.
In case you have still have his articles, could you please PM them? I would appreciate!
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Pj
At age 39 my drive is a little sluggish if you know what I mean which one would help me? trenabol or DMZ? Do any of them increase sex drive or will they decrease them? You have any personal experience with either?
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"Prohormones" are just steroids that were deemed too toxic for medical use. None of these are new steroids
Take Superdrol for example....Syntex developed it back in the 60s, but saw how toxic it was so they kept developing until they ended up with what we know as anadrol. So it was forgotten about until Bruce Kneller dusted it off and started selling it again in the 90s
They're all pretty much toxic. Not that conventional orals are healthy either for that matter
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Lol @ dummies saying "PHs are more toxic than real steroids."
Right because all PHs are the same and all "real steroids" are the same.
Yes one trenabol is more toxic than one A-bomb ::)
Lol indeed. The oral steroids we know are FDA approved and have been used for decades. Is that proof that they're safe? No, but it's way more reassuring than using some obscure compound that nobody knows anything about.
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I've been researching the Super DMZ 3.0, and it seems like most who use it like it.
My question for those with experience in Orals/PH is if I'm not yet at my natural limit persay, and I gain maybe 10 lbs of muscle using this, will I lose all of it over time as some are saying, or can I keep a fair bit of the gains since I am not at my natural limit?
This is assuming my training and diet are 100% on point on and during the PCT
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I might consider purchasing one of these products to take in the build up to my next holiday. I won't be able to claim natural afterwards but oh well. ;D
Chiro's endorsement is good enough for me. 8)
did you read my posts? what are you gonna do post cycle?
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Lol @ dummies saying "PHs are more toxic than real steroids."
Right because all PHs are the same and all "real steroids" are the same.
Yes one trenabol is more toxic than one A-bomb ::)
you'd probably have to take 5 to 1 a-bomb.. i'm just guessing though. so then it could be more toxic
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I've been researching the Super DMZ 3.0, and it seems like most who use it like it.
My question for those with experience in Orals/PH is if I'm not yet at my natural limit persay, and I gain maybe 10 lbs of muscle using this, will I lose all of it over time as some are saying, or can I keep a fair bit of the gains since I am not at my natural limit?
This is assuming my training and diet are 100% on point on and during the PCT
Well, it depends. Are you a homosexual?
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Well, it depends. Are you a homosexual?
Trans
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I've been researching the Super DMZ 3.0, and it seems like most who use it like it.
My question for those with experience in Orals/PH is if I'm not yet at my natural limit persay, and I gain maybe 10 lbs of muscle using this, will I lose all of it over time as some are saying, or can I keep a fair bit of the gains since I am not at my natural limit?
This is assuming my training and diet are 100% on point on and during the PCT
you will lose it all quickly. and your testosterone may get shut down/lowered making you smaller than you were before you started, with limp dick on top of that. orals are only useful if you're gonna take testosterone.
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you will lose it all quickly. and your testosterone may get shut down/lowered making you smaller than you were before you started, with limp dick on top of that. orals are only useful if you're gonna take testosterone.
Thanks for the response
What's the science behind losing it all after? If you can get your test back up within a few weeks then how come it would all be lost? (via HCG Clomid etc)
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Thanks for the response
What's the science behind losing it all after? If you can get your test back up within a few weeks then how come it would all be lost? (via HCG Clomid etc)
PCT will make you retain the gains for longer, but your test will be still be somewhat lower than it was before even with PCT, for some time. why would you use legal products, then take illegal drugs? doesn't that defeat the purpose of using a legal product? Use real juice you'll get better results.
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PCT will make you retain the gains for longer, but your test will be still be somewhat lower than it was before even with PCT, for some time. why would you use legal products, then take illegal drugs? doesn't that defeat the purpose of using a legal product? Use real juice you'll get better results.
I can understand that it'd be lower for a while, but so low that all the gains would be gone? How come the lowered testosterone wouldn't be able to support the muscle gained from DMZ?
What you say about having to use illegal things anyways makes sense, but I'm more just testing the waters. Not to mention, DMZ would be much easier to get a hold of (and guaranteed to be real). I'm not concerned with the legality of it one bit
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I can understand that it'd be lower for a while, but so low that all the gains would be gone? How come the lowered testosterone wouldn't be able to support the muscle gained from DMZ?
What you say about having to use illegal things anyways makes sense, but I'm more just testing the waters. Not to mention, DMZ would be much easier to get a hold of (and guaranteed to be real). I'm not concerned with the legality of it one bit
i used 1-AD many years ago, it was a popular PH that worked very well. it was out when Mark Mcguire was using them before bans on prohormones began. I then used a OTC legal post cycle therapy product. I lost my gains fast so that's my experience.
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I might consider purchasing one of these products to take in the build up to my next holiday. I won't be able to claim natural afterwards but oh well. ;D
Chiro's endorsement is good enough for me. 8)
I don't endorse taking anything but low dose injectable test for anyone's first cycle, but that's just me.
Either way, BSL has great products. DMZs toxicity is relatively low, which appeals to me, plus it works great. Ive stacked it with HRT and results were excellent.
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The only guys I know who lose everything when they come off are the ones who don't know how to train properly and don't know a thing about proper nutrition.
When you come off you lose the super freaky fullness and strength, but I've never looked "bad". You just slowly transition back from a kickass 15 week cycle to natty status with a bit more permanently added noticeable muscle from your previous cycle.
I know this is an unpopular opinion here, but post cycle, continue your 5 meals a day, train your tits off 5 days a week, and you will keep much of your gains. (crazy talk, I know.)
*i don't use big doses though so maybe this is different for the heavy users?
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The only guys I know who lose everything when they come off are the ones who don't know how to train properly and don't know a thing about proper nutrition.
When you come off you lose the super freaky fullness and strength, but I've never looked "bad". You just slowly transition back from a kickass 15 week cycle to natty status with a bit more permanently added noticeable muscle from your previous cycle.
I know this is an unpopular opinion here, but post cycle, continue your 5 meals a day, train your tits off 5 days a week, and you will keep much of your gains. (crazy talk, I know.)
*i don't use big doses though so maybe this is different for the heavy users?
only with testosterone.
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The only guys I know who lose everything when they come off are the ones who don't know how to train properly and don't know a thing about proper nutrition.
When you come off you lose the super freaky fullness and strength, but I've never looked "bad". You just slowly transition back from a kickass 15 week cycle to natty status with a bit more permanently added noticeable muscle from your previous cycle.
I know this is an unpopular opinion here, but post cycle, continue your 5 meals a day, train your tits off 5 days a week, and you will keep much of your gains. (crazy talk, I know.)
*i don't use big doses though so maybe this is different for the heavy users?
How come you always recommend low dose test as a first cycle? I'm interested in using injectables later, I just wanted to see what DMZ was like first. I'd definitely continue training and great nutrition post cycle. I'm really just hoping for a 5lb muscle boost after pct and all is said and done (with 2 caps of DMZ ed which I believe is 20mg Dimethazine, 20mg Methylstenbolone, and 20mg Alpha-1)
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only with testosterone.
I don't follow. If someone is not yet at their natural maximum, how will they not keep some of the gains? If you do a proper PCT with diet and nutrition on point, your test levels will be back up in a few weeks. How will your test levels not be able to support ANY of the newly added mass?
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How come you always recommend low dose test as a first cycle? I'm interested in using injectables later, I just wanted to see what DMZ was like first. I'd definitely continue training and great nutrition post cycle. I'm really just hoping for a 5lb muscle boost after pct and all is said and done (with 2 caps of DMZ ed which I believe is 20mg Dimethazine, 20mg Methylstenbolone, and 20mg Alpha-1)
Do yourself a favor and just start out with testosterone if you're gonna go the non natural route. Otherwise your'e gonna be on here starting threads about how you can't get it up and your girlfriend cheated on you with a puerto rican who sold you weed at double the price, and you'll be at home depot shopping for rope to make a noose.
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If you do a proper PCT your test levels will be back up in a few weeks.
No it takes months. what sources/evidence do you have that it just takes a few weeks?
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The only guys I know who lose everything when they come off are the ones who don't know how to train properly and don't know a thing about proper nutrition.
When you come off you lose the super freaky fullness and strength, but I've never looked "bad". You just slowly transition back from a kickass 15 week cycle to natty status with a bit more permanently added noticeable muscle from your previous cycle.
I know this is an unpopular opinion here, but post cycle, continue your 5 meals a day, train your tits off 5 days a week, and you will keep much of your gains. (crazy talk, I know.)
*i don't use big doses though so maybe this is different for the heavy users?
I have to agree with this, I have done about 30 cycles (superdrol, halodrol 50, 1AD, m1t), though I never kept ALL OF MY GAINS, but I did keep most after PCT, but I did use REAL PCT
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only with testosterone.
Bullshit.
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How come you always recommend low dose test as a first cycle? I'm interested in using injectables later, I just wanted to see what DMZ was like first. I'd definitely continue training and great nutrition post cycle. I'm really just hoping for a 5lb muscle boost after pct and all is said and done (with 2 caps of DMZ ed which I believe is 20mg Dimethazine, 20mg Methylstenbolone, and 20mg Alpha-1)
Just my personal philosophy on gear. Start With the most basic, conservative approach as possible. Nothing is more basic, tried and true, than 400mgs test E or C to rock your world for your first cycle. Controlling all variables is super easy. You know what to do while you're on to control E2, you know what to run post cycle, you know what sides may arise and how to deal with them.
In other words KISS (keep it simple, stupid.) :D
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I have to agree with this, I have done about 30 cycles (superdrol, halodrol 50, 1AD, m1t), though I never kept ALL OF MY GAINS, but I did keep most after PCT, but I did use REAL PCT
Agreed brother. Though you have many more years under your belt.
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I have to agree with this, I have done about 30 cycles (superdrol, halodrol 50, 1AD, m1t), though I never kept ALL OF MY GAINS, but I did keep most after PCT, but I did use REAL PCT
What do you mean by REAL PCT? Is clomid/nolva + hcg not what you do?
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Just my personal philosophy on gear. Start With the most basic, conservative approach as possible. Nothing is more basic, tried and true, than 400mgs test E or C to rock your world for your first cycle. Controlling all variables is super easy. You know what to do while you're on to control E2, you know what to run post cycle, you know what sides may arise and how to deal with them.
In other words KISS (keep it simple, stupid.) :D
I really appreciate your help. I may end up doing that. Was just not looking to order that stuff yet ;D
Is it really going to be that HUGE of a difference in gains you keep with let's say 6 weeks of DMZ 3.0 and 14 weeks of 400mg test? Gains after PCT and everything (I'm thinking 2 months after cycle)
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I really appreciate your help. I may end up doing that. Was just not looking to order that stuff yet ;D
Is it really going to be that HUGE of a difference in gains you keep with let's say 6 weeks of DMZ 3.0 and 14 weeks of 400mg test? Gains after PCT and everything (I'm thinking 2 months after cycle)
No problem bro. For the record Im not the steroid guru on here. That's OneTimeHard, WW, Van B, No One... I just had to interject because of the voluminous amount of bullshit being posted.
Your question: hard to say, too many variables. What's your base like now? Training? Nutrition?? The more advanced and disciplined of a natty bodybuilder you are, the better you will respond. Basically the better your training and diet is, the better the gear works.
SDMZ is fuckin great, but I think 400mgs of test is the way to go. I bet even PJ Braun (who is a smart guy) would even agree if the conversation was off the record.
Throw the SDMZ in for the 2nd cycle and you will see how great it is.
Just my 2 cents...
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Basically the better your training and diet is, the better the gear works.
Agreed.
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Do you know anything about Blackstone's "Alpha-1-Max", it's supposed to convert to M1T... I've been desperately searching for M1T for months now and if this is legit that would be cool, have you heard about this??
another product they ripped off. Legal gear sold this hormone years ago! legal Gear called it Methyl 1-A. No it is nothing like real M1T. There are some underground labs who make real M1T but from what I have heard from chinese raw powder suppliers is that the M1T is down in purity due to the fact they don't sell much of it anymore, back when M1T was legal and you could buy it over the counter almost every company was in the M1T game and multi Kilos were bought buy numkerous companys on a monthly basis, now they barely can sell a kilo in a year. sources just buy a few grams here and there and just make small batches because once you step into buying illegal steroids there are better and safer choices then M1T but it is still sold by big UGL labs. PM me I'll give you a M1T source but it comes from overseas.
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another product they ripped off. Legal gear sold this hormone years ago! legal Gear called it Methyl 1-A. No it is nothing like real M1T. There are some underground labs who make real M1T but from what I have heard from chinese raw powder suppliers is that the M1T is down in purity due to the fact they don't sell much of it anymore, back when M1T was legal and you could buy it over the counter almost every company was in the M1T game and multi Kilos were bought buy numkerous companys on a monthly basis, now they barely can sell a kilo in a year. sources just buy a few grams here and there and just make small batches because once you step into buying illegal steroids there are better and safer choices then M1T but it is still sold by big UGL labs. PM me I'll give you a M1T source but it comes from overseas.
Bro I don't get why you keep saying they're ripping off these hormones? If BSN comes out with isolate I don't say they ripped of Muscletech's isolate? If BSL found a better cheaper way to get the hormones to the market, who cares who found it first, as long as nothing shady was done or laws broken. Feel me?
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Just my personal philosophy on gear. Start With the most basic, conservative approach as possible. Nothing is more basic, tried and true, than 400mgs test E or C to rock your world for your first cycle. Controlling all variables is super easy. You know what to do while you're on to control E2, you know what to run post cycle, you know what sides may arise and how to deal with them.
In other words KISS (keep it simple, stupid.) :D
Why so high?
The bro-dogma parroted around here is 250mg and never go off.
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Why so high?
The bro-dogma parroted around here is 250mg and never go off.
...and if you go off you will lose all your muscle.
This is what the "vets" and "gurus" around these parts say over and over.
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Why so high?
The bro-dogma parroted around here is 250mg and never go off.
400mgs is high ???
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400mgs is high ???
Yeah bro a lot higher than 250mg which is the standard answer around these parts.
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Yeah bro a lot higher than 250mg which is the standard answer around these parts.
For your sake I hope you don't base your hormone decisions based upon the status quo of this message board.
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Yeah bro a lot higher than 250mg which is the standard answer around these parts.
that's the layne norton dose
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For your sake I hope you don't base your hormone decisions based upon the status quo of this message board.
But bro the gurus and vets around here say as soon as I go off all the muscle i built will go away. They say 3 months and all the muscle will be gone.
They also say if you go higher than 250mgs you're not gonna build any more real muscle than if you had just used 250mgs... that extra weight is 100% water and nothing else...NOT MUSCLE.
This is what the vets and gurus here have told me.
I'm confucius, bro. ???
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But bro the gurus and vets around here say as soon as I go off all the muscle i built will go away to. They say 3 months and all the muscle will be gone.
They also say if you go higher than 250mgs you're not gonna build any more muscle... that extra weight is 100% water.
This is what the vets and gurus here have told me.
You should continue seeking their advices.
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For your sake I hope you don't base your hormone decisions based upon the status quo of this message board.
You should continue seeking their advices.
But bro I'm just an experienced newb who's never even done a prehormone. Who am I to question their great knowledge?
I'm confucius, bro ???
(http://www.troll.me/images/confucius-says/i-dont-get-it.jpg)
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Bro I don't get why you keep saying they're ripping off these hormones? If BSN comes out with isolate I don't say they ripped of Muscletech's isolate? If BSL found a better cheaper way to get the hormones to the market, who cares who found it first, as long as nothing shady was done or laws broken. Feel me?
They try to come off as innovators! Lets see them come up with a new product that another company has not already released, and yes what they are doing is risky business that is why almost every pother company got out of the prohormone designer steroid game. I have been in the supplement biz since 2004 back when you could buy a bottle of M1T at max muscle and every on-line store sold it. This is a small company and they try to pull this stuff off to get some quick cash but trust me alot of companys have been shutdown and have had legal issues selling these prohormone/designer steroid products. gaspari could bring out the same products but they don't. why is that? because they don;t need to! They are already a huge company making millions off their other products that are not 'Grey area". These are "Grey Area" products and soon they won;t be sold. so buy them while you can if you like them.
your young chiro you have not been around for as long as some of us.
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It was funny when legal gear's M1T hit the market and they sold bottles for under 20 bucks retail then these other companies hopped on the bandwagon and rebranded m1t with some fancy name and charged 60.
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It was funny when legal gear's M1T hit the market and they sold bottles for under 20 bucks retail then these other companies hopped on the bandwagon and rebranded m1t with some fancy name and charged 60.
Yes those were the days. Legal Gear was the first company to sell M1T. They sold it in capsules then released the methylgels,and yes M1T was cheap like 20$ and very potent. Every company started selling M1T after legal Gear had such success. M1T was the hottest product in 2004. all I am saying is Blackstone labs are not innovators just a company taking a huge risk selling these products. They act like this M1T prohormone is something new and trenabol is something new, these hormoe structers have been around for 10 years. The only structure I don;t recognize is the DMZ. We guys from the early 2000's got all the best designer steroids and prohormones and we got the best steroids because that was before operation gear grinder and before operation raw deal. guys like me got to take advantage of good mex gear like quality vet,Denkall and Ttokyo. everything was better back in the early to mid 200's even the UGL's were run by more sophisticated people.
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They try to come off as innovators! Lets see them come up with a new product that another company has not already released, and yes what they are doing is risky business that is why almost every pother company got out of the prohormone designer steroid game. I have been in the supplement biz since 2004 back when you could buy a bottle of M1T at max muscle and every on-line store sold it. This is a small company and they try to pull this stuff off to get some quick cash but trust me alot of companys have been shutdown and have had legal issues selling these prohormone/designer steroid products. gaspari could bring out the same products but they don't. why is that? because they don;t need to! They are already a huge company making millions off their other products that are not 'Grey area". These are "Grey Area" products and soon they won;t be sold. so buy them while you can if you like them.
your young chiro you have not been around for as long as some of us.
gaspari and muscletech had to start somewhere and both sold designer steroid products when they first started out to help them gain money and a following.
I could care less if it is a grey area product as long as it is legit and pure stuff.
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gaspari and muscletech had to start somewhere and both sold designer steroid products when they first started out to help them gain money and a following.
I could care less if it is a grey area product as long as it is legit and pure stuff.
very True especially gaspari. I don't think muscletech ever sold any prohormones or designers but gaspari def got in on the M1T,Methyldienolone,MOHN, and then later halodrol-50 and Orastan-A and E. that is what made gaspari! Now they would not risk selling them because they made so much money back then. Think of all the Fly by night companys that have came and gone. They got in the prohormone/designer steroid business and then when they got scheduled or they got heat they got in trouble or got out of the game before they did get in trouble none of them stuck around. HM-Gear is a prime exampe. All they made were injectable prohormones and designer steroids and once they got banned they shut their doors. In and out. The owner didn;t fuck around he said " there is nothing else on the market to profit on so we are shutting down shop, we are not going to bring out a product and bullshit people that it will work".
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gaspari and muscletech had to start somewhere and both sold designer steroid products when they first started out to help them gain money and a following.
I could care less if it is a grey area product as long as it is legit and pure stuff.
this sone of the prohormones are really strong
disgusted who is probably the best guru on here
raves about dmz
he has no horse in this race
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this sone of the prohormones are really strong
disgusted who is probably the best guru on here
raves about dmz
he has no horse in this race
Yes they can be very strong,
Stupidly once, I was taking a couple months off gear and my brother in law (who doesn't even really train lol) asked me if I wanted to buy some prohormones off him for £20. I bought it and just decided to run it for a few weeks without any liver support etc, as I really didn't think it was going to do shit
4 weeks later, my piss is almost brown and my liver result came back as nearly 1000. :o
I had the best of dbol over the years, and this stuff was much harsher on the insides trust me
I thought it was epistane, but it was something else.
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Yes they can be very strong,
Stupidly once, I was taking a couple months off gear and my brother in law (who doesn't even really train lol) asked me if I wanted to buy some prohormones off him for £20. I bought it and just decided to run it for a few weeks without any liver support etc, as I really didn't think it was going to do shit
4 weeks later, my piss is almost brown and my liver result came back as nearly 1000. :o
I had the best of dbol over the years, and this stuff was much harsher on the insides trust me
I thought it was epistane, but it was something else.
I ran anadrol and dbol on a few occasion and from my personal experience neither was as harsh as the superdrol I ran. As you experienced, my piss was brown and I had severe back cramping.
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Yes they can be very strong,
Stupidly once, I was taking a couple months off gear and my brother in law (who doesn't even really train lol) asked me if I wanted to buy some prohormones off him for £20. I bought it and just decided to run it for a few weeks without any liver support etc, as I really didn't think it was going to do shit
4 weeks later, my piss is almost brown and my liver result came back as nearly 1000. :o
I had the best of dbol over the years, and this stuff was much harsher on the insides trust me
I thought it was epistane, but it was something else.
fuck
what was it
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fuck
what was it
Poison, with the side effect of muscle gain
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I ran anadrol and dbol on a few occasion and from my personal experience neither was as harsh as the superdrol I ran. As you experienced, my piss was brown and I had severe back cramping.
That's because superdrol is a designer steroid and stronger then dbol and anadrol. They call it superdrol short for "super anadrol". It is a potent oral steroid and is more toxic then dbol or anadrol. If your a first time user and got a good batch of real superdrol I bet you gained alot of weight and strength gains. I did not notice the back pumps too much but numerous people have complained of back pumps on superdrol.
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That's because superdrol is a designer steroid and stronger then dbol and anadrol. They call it superdrol short for "super anadrol". It is a potent oral steroid and is more toxic then dbol or anadrol. If your a first time user and got a good batch of real superdrol I bet you gained alot of weight and strength gains. I did not notice the back pumps too much but numerous people have complained of back pumps on superdrol.
You bet I did. I would love the stuff if I didn't get such excruciating back pumps.
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You bet I did. I would love the stuff if I didn't get such excruciating back pumps.
Next time drink more water and eat bananas .Alot of potassium would really help with any back pumps and not just in the back(all cramps and pumps). but don't just buy potassium caps though get your potassium from food sources as they will absorb way better then potassium pills. If the potassium and extra water does not help the product is fucking with your kidneys wich will seem like a back pump but it's really your kidneys crying (STOP TAKING THIS SHIT).
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Poison, with the side effect of muscle gain
truth
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Next time drink more water and eat bananas .Alot of potassium would really help with any back pumps and not just in the back(all cramps and pumps). but don't just buy potassium caps though get your potassium from food sources as they will absorb way better then potassium pills. If the potassium and extra water does not help the product is fucking with your kidneys wich will seem like a back pump but it's really your kidneys crying (STOP TAKING THIS SHIT).
Thank you for the advice. I truely appreciate it. I still have a bottle and will give your advice a try.
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fuck
what was it
Just remembered it was 'P-MAG'
apparently this: 4-chloro-17a-methyl-andro-4-ene-3,17b-diol
I found a photo from a wedding when I was 3 weeks into it, and I look yellow. Very subtle but you can tell it wasn't a good complexion lol - my wife thought it was a tan haha
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Just remembered it was 'P-MAG'
apparently this: 4-chloro-17a-methyl-andro-4-ene-3,17b-diol
I found a photo from a wedding when I was 3 weeks into it, and I look yellow. Very subtle but you can tell it wasn't a good complexion lol - my wife thought it was a tan haha
haha
that brilliant
cyp is so handsome even kidney failure looks good on him 8)
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haha
that brilliant
cyp is so handsome even kidney failure looks good on him 8)
Yes I got a bit suspicious when they asked me to pose for a photo with the bridesmaids, who were in canary yellow Satin
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Look folks, I was dead wrong about PJ a while back and said a lot of shit about him....mainly due to them being employed by RX Muscle. He's good folk and they sell a great line of products. I honestly should have done some research before being so critical of Blackstone and IronMagLabs.
Bro-Science is good stuff...its the same thing that was used when Dianabol was first introduced. Dr Ziegler had it developed from Ciba Pharmacuticals and gave it to weightlifters to try out. The human body is the best determinate for the potency and effectiveness of a product. They gave them out for free and now they can't keep any of the shit on the shelves because it gets sold out so quickly.
Buy some supplements from Blackstone and figure it out for yourself if you don't believe "BroScience".
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Vince, will you ever share your ancient Chinese techniques for building great calves?
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They try to come off as innovators! Lets see them come up with a new product that another company has not already released, and yes what they are doing is risky business that is why almost every pother company got out of the prohormone designer steroid game. I have been in the supplement biz since 2004 back when you could buy a bottle of M1T at max muscle and every on-line store sold it. This is a small company and they try to pull this stuff off to get some quick cash but trust me alot of companys have been shutdown and have had legal issues selling these prohormone/designer steroid products. gaspari could bring out the same products but they don't. why is that? because they don;t need to! They are already a huge company making millions off their other products that are not 'Grey area". These are "Grey Area" products and soon they won;t be sold. so buy them while you can if you like them.
your young chiro you have not been around for as long as some of us.
I still don't see your point at All. They are simply manufacturing and marketing a line of good products.
I've never heard them claim to be innovators or the first ones bringing a product to market....never.
Consumers want their products to be sold and BSL sells to the consumers. Everyone is happy. Even if they do risk getting products discontinued down the line....who cares? Bullshit PEDs laws to begin with.
I don't see the problem at All. I'm surprised you of all people arent more anti-PEDS-regulations
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very True especially gaspari. I don't think muscletech ever sold any prohormones or designers but gaspari def got in on the M1T,Methyldienolone,MOHN, and then later halodrol-50 and Orastan-A and E. that is what made gaspari! Now they would not risk selling them because they made so much money back then. Think of all the Fly by night companys that have came and gone. They got in the prohormone/designer steroid business and then when they got scheduled or they got heat they got in trouble or got out of the game before they did get in trouble none of them stuck around. HM-Gear is a prime exampe. All they made were injectable prohormones and designer steroids and once they got banned they shut their doors. In and out. The owner didn;t fuck around he said " there is nothing else on the market to profit on so we are shutting down shop, we are not going to bring out a product and bullshit people that it will work".
muscletech had anotesten and nortesten (19-nor prohormone) when they first started up and they also had the ephedra-based Hydroxycut back in the day.
VPX also made some injectible designer steroids such as gangsta test and a few others. VPX had one hell of a lineup and I believe Jake (the owner) used to run an underground lab as well before he started VPX.
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this sone of the prohormones are really strong
disgusted who is probably the best guru on here
raves about dmz
he has no horse in this race
DMZ 3.0, in theory, looks to be one hell of a good product. It has methyl-sten, a prohormone to M1T, and Dymethazine. The methyl-sten and dymethazine are very good orals and have a good profile in Julius Vida's book.
I may pick up a few bottles here soon. The price is high compared to a few of the competitiors.
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muscletech had anotesten and nortesten (19-nor prohormone) when they first started up and they also had the ephedra-based Hydroxycut back in the day.
VPX also made some injectible designer steroids such as gangsta test and a few others. VPX had one hell of a lineup and I believe Jake (the owner) used to run an underground lab as well before he started VPX.
Yeah I remember VPX's line with all the dumb names like Their M1T was called Monster Test and the ganster Test, The syngex was a good product. I never remember muscletech selling PH's but def remember VPX's line
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I still don't see your point at All. They are simply manufacturing and marketing a line of good products.
I've never heard them claim to be innovators or the first ones bringing a product to market....never.
Consumers want their products to be sold and BSL sells to the consumers. Everyone is happy. Even if they do risk getting products discontinued down the line....who cares? Bullshit PEDs laws to begin with.
I don't see the problem at All. I'm surprised you of all people arent more anti-PEDS-regulations
Not against prohormones or designer steroids at all,just in the video PJ comes across like these are substances they innovated, their PCT product does seem innovative but that is alll I saw that was innovative. All these compounds came from Julias vida and have been on the market for years. They are expensive as well. how is 1$ a cap a good deal? They used to sell M1T 90 methylgels for 20$ a bottle or superdrol 60 caps for 20$. You can buy 1,000 Dbol tabs for around 100$ or if you don;t want a product that converts to estrogen and has no DHt conversion buy Turinabol 1,000 tabs for 350$. These guys are getting Turinabol like gains.
I am in no way against designer steroids but if your selling them I hope they have a good lawyer just incase. This is their bread and butter without those hormones that company wouldn't be in business. I understand the whole business and it is very hard to start a profitable company without selling prohormones or designer steroids. The only successful companys I know of got going doing the same thing so I am not hating but these companys did it when they were legal, some did it when it was Grey area and it worked for awhile but once the FDA finally bans the products the company loses about 75% of their income. I guarantee 75% of their products selling are the hormones and the PCT product. Ih those get discontinued their going to hit hard times. I respect the marketing strategy. I would do the same thing because that is how a supplement company breaks into the market. You have to be very careful these days though it was easier when these products were legal or Grey area.
This is what will happen. seen it many times. some dumb teen will get ahold of these hormones and get all sick have to go to the hospital because their liver or kidneys are failing they get jaundice then they complain to the FDA and then eventually the FDA gets enough complaints wich dosn't take many and they come down on the company. They get a letter from the FDA giving them a warning and maybe 30 days to get rid of remaining stock and the game is over. No hate like I said. I would start the same way but to sketchy these days. I went through this years ago! I used to sell supplements locally and on-line so I am just telling you how it went for me and many others. hell I think 80% of our sales were PH's and designer steroids.